Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - What Will Gaming Be Like In 10 Years? (2035 Edition) - Kinda Funny Gamescast

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

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What's up everybody? Welcome to the Kind of Funny Games cast for Thursday, May 22nd, 2025. I'm one of your host, Greg Miller, alongside Forbes 30 under 30, a.k.a. The second best baby booze in San Francisco, aka the runner-up of Kind of Funny Games Showdown, Season 3 at Tim Gettys. That's him most. Next to him is the master of hype snowback, Mike. Hi, Tim. Or, hi, Greg.

I was thinking about Tim, because he's asking for, things. It's like, Tim never asked for things. So you know it's a big deal. It is a big deal. Here's the deal, Greg. The GameQ controllers are now up for everybody to buy, but you're not everybody. As the show goes live, Tim slacks the entire company. If I could get three people with

NSO accounts to buy this for me and I'll Venmo you, that'd be hell of sick. Yeah. Because they're limiting you. You can only buy one. I'm logging in. I'm getting in there. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. You know what I already got mine pre-order. I need three more. I need to be ready at all times. If we all did it right here up. We all have our computers. We could do it right now for me.

You could make the dream happened live on June. I don't even go in a way. There's no rush on this. You should be fine. But I want my house to be ready for people to play Smash Brothers at any time. That's smart. That's smart. In the year 2035, they will be on their seventh reissue of the GameCube controller.

And people will be buying them. Andy, this is the first time officially from Nintendo. They, the OG form factor, the GameCube controllers in wireless form, okay? Wait, what, what happened the last time? Mejo, just buy the controller. meho. Oh. This is a big deal.

Damn. I've clicked pre-purchase. Didn't have Rumble. I'm ViewCart. I'm checking out. Thank you. I appreciate you. What a squad.

What a team I have. I squad up and never roll alone because we go around. Oh, God, how many passwords do I mean? Wow. I remembered the password. That's big. Wow. That's nice, bro.

First try. And rounding out our quartet, of course, is the Hispanic hardthrobed, Texas Street. Latino heat. Clicking heads and ripping him shreds. The globe, shrotten, head shot, and root and two, and three Point shooting. Nitro rifle from Twitch. Dot TV. Andy Cortez.

What a basketball game last night. Holy cow. Great game last night. Everybody. I hope he's got the city. The end of that one. Great sports spectacles all across the board. Overtime? Oh, my God. Pre-purchasing right now for you, Tim. A win in the mecca? There might be too many people. Can we get key controllers? Well, you know, we keep ours. You know what I mean? You never know.

I don't want this. I don't want this. Well, I'd rather not do that. I don't need a next time. Hold on. Mike, don't speak for me in my wallet. Joey's, Joey's on it. I'm already at checkout. Greg's on it. Okay.

He's at checkout. Andy, you're cool then. Mike's got, Mike's on it. Okay, I'm good. Thank you so much. I appreciate you.

No problem. No problem. Big Doc. You got it. I do want one of those really form-fitting cases, though. And I didn't like the way these look. These were different. They weren't what I expected.

What are talking about? The ROM or ROM or Tom Talk? Tom Talk. Yeah. The ones that I'm talking about aren't out yet. aren't even revealed yet. Oh, okay. I'll bring some things in and show you, Andy, it's going to change your life.

Because the people were like, Andy, well, you know, keep in mind, Tom Talk going live tonight with the Switch 2 stuff. And it's not what I wanted. Yeah, me too. I'm with you. I want them really form-fitting little cases. There's too much bulk in the backpack, you know? And then if you just have that as you carry on,

then the bulk in the backpack switches proportions, and it'll be filling up one side of your backpack. It's just a pain in the ass. Just standard shipping? You want this super fast? Yeah, no, no, no, no. Of course, ladies, gentlemen, and NB's, this is the Kind of Funny Games cast each and every week.

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We hit the 10-year anniversary of the Kind of Funny Games cast episode 19, that was, where will gaming be in 10 to 15 years? We went in, we opened the time capsule, we listened to myself, Tim, Colin, talk about in 2015 what we thought 2025 gaming would be. Of course, Tim infinitely said, 10 years, that's a long time. Yep. Here we are, kind of funny, 10 years later, ready to do it. So now we have to come in and say,

Where will gaming be in 10 years? What is 10 years? A decade. 2035. Like that doesn't sound real. In the same way, 2025 didn't sound real to us back in 2015. 100%.

Yeah, yeah. Just stop there and think Ben will be 13. No. Ben will be 13 years old when this time capsules opened in 10 years. That's outrageous. That is outrageous. Those are the... I'll be 52.

Those are the years you hear about in sci-fi movies. You're like, I'll never get there. In the year, 2024. Yeah. That's insane. So we will begin this show the same way we began the last one with a question from Project Garte, who asked, what are your predictions and what will the video game industry be in 10 years? I, of course, was not hosting the games cast 10 years ago.

You were, Tim, and you let off with this one. And I got to talk first. So I want to turn to you and say, before I get to my many, many, many specific bullet points, what are your predictions and what will a video game industry be in 10 years? years. Oh man, that's a big question. You asked me, you asked me 10 years ago. No, I'm asking you. Yeah. I think that it will still be thriving. I feel like there's obviously a lot of multiple situations, many bumps, many big issues, many big hits. It'll be very different than it looks like now in ways that I don't even think we can predict in the same way that I don't think any of us could have predicted that Xbox would go

essentially third party and just like how much different factors like. service games like game pass like there's so many things that are like that's not no way that could even possibly happen and here we are now so i think there'll be a lot of that type of stuff that you can't predict but um i i do think and this is going to be a theme of of my predictions going forward i think that nintendo is going to continue to remain dominant and i think that the level of domination is only going to increase i like that i'll stop that especially on the eve of the switch two yes what's hilarious is when we go back to watching and talking about 10 years ago, we kept talking about

the NX. We didn't even know what the Switch 1 was yet. And so it's funny that we were throwing it up. So here we are 10 years later, in a very similar spot, maybe a little bit behind when you look there, but here we are right on the precipice. Of course, if we are watching this in 10 years, remember the Switch 2

is coming out. Yeah, exactly. Two weeks from today. Crazy. Yep. Michael, what are your predictions? And what will the video game industry be like in 10 years? Man, Greg, what a great question. You know, from the consumer side of things, I would like to say a lot of the same, right? I'd like to think that we're all still playing a lot of great video games and enjoying some of the games that we love. There's a piece of me that thinks

that we'll see a rise and more of a push towards PC gaming, having that kind of vibe going on. I know I've had the conversations with Tim before, like, I think the kids, the next generation, really want PCs over the consoles. They want that freedom to have kind of more choice than just being locked into a console in those exclusive games. And we're seeing those also, kind of go by the wayside. There's also a piece of me, Andy, that likes to think that maybe we are direct streaming to the TVs and not having a console anymore by the side. I think that's kind of farther in the future, but we can see we are going that direction,

similar to how Netflix is now just as easy as a press of a button on your television, no matter what monitor screen you have. I'd like to think that one day we're going to be close enough to you pick up a controller and it doesn't matter what app from Nintendo Xbox PlayStation, you click it, and there's no more hardware under your TV. But that's the 10 years I look at. More PC gaming for the kids. And then my far distant,

this is I'd like to see just a TV being your gaming apparatus. I want to dig into that later. But Andy, for you, top level, we're going to be in 10 years. What's the industry look like? I think back to when I first got hired at kind of funny. You're welcome. Thank you for that.

Appreciate it. About 2017 or 2018 was the first time I was playing. I think it was maybe Google Stadia at the time and to think about where Google Stadia was in 2018 a cloud gaming platform, way ahead of its time, obviously.

And to see the differences in like, and I would say back then I had way less of a leash for bullshit or no, I had way more of a leash for bullshit because now I'm like, give me 240 hertz, give me all the bullshit, right? But this is back in the day when I wasn't PC gaming, I didn't need the

over 60 frames per second. second, but on Stadia back in the day going, man, this is just not where it needs to be. And then fast forward to 2025 and feeling how awesome it is to play a game on Nvidia

what's their? G-Force now. G-force now and, you know, your mileage may vary with the internet and stuff like that, but I'm still kind of blown away by how much, how much better the experience has gotten. I think my

makes a great point that I think you know, with a click of the button on your TV, think of how good Nvidia G-Force now is right now and just multiply that by 10 for the next 10 years. I think we'll see a huge push there and there will be such smaller differences in I think we'll see the big companies going less and less for the tech innovations because you can only push so many pixels and you can only try to sell people on 16K TVs or whatever

the hell we'll be talking about in the future. I think. I think we'll see a bit smaller, big, massive budget games going into like what we think of AA now, but I think those will kind of take over and become more of the norm. But I also think of a chart that I saw on Twitter the other day, May 18th. Fortnite had 2.5 million peak players daily. Steam as a whole platform, people gaming on Steam, 11.8 million. million. Roblox 16.3. I think the fucking federal government comes in and tries to, like, when I think of how monopolies operate, I think something will happen where Roblox has to like, hey, you got, you know, we got to figure something out.

We got to, there's, this can't be happening the way it is right now. I think we got to regulate. Yeah, like, I really think something will happen with, with Roblox, with how dominant it is. you've never seen a fucking Roblox commercial in your life. Like you've never seen Roblox pop up on a TV or anything like that. It's just word of mouth. It's kids. It's every kid wanting to be on that platform. And I see Roblox continuing their dominance until something happens where people are like, oh shit. You know, this was way more crooked than we thought. We really have to step in. But I'm just, I was really blown away by 11.8 people on Steam, 16.3 only on Roblox.

That's fucking insane. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Yeah, I think this is an interesting one, Andy. I like where you're at. I think, you know, one of the conversations, or the conversation that I started on the thing 10 years ago was the idea that gaming will be prettier, but like I think we are at such a point now

where it's like, what does that mean? And then I think we're seeing so many, not concessions, but people step to the side already, right? Where we're talking about Switch 2 and what it can do, right? And cyberpunk is going to be great on there. It'll be good enough, right? PC handhelds and how much. I love them.

The gaming there is good enough. It's not by any stretch of the imagination, the Razor Blade 16, all the megahertz and yet, yeah, yeah. But it's what I want out of convenience. And so as we hear right now in our life, the rumors of not only Xbox working with Rog on a handheld that we assume is going to be announced, probably soon, probably SGF. Then also the rumor, or not even rumors,

they've said that they're working on a handheld, right, for the line. The rumors of PlayStation doing a handheld that somewhere coming up and be whatever and being competent in, yeah, da-da-da-da. Like, I wonder what that race becomes of, are we looking at a future where, yeah, it is the Xbox series, whatever, the PlayStation 6, they are the pinnacle, PlayStation 6 pro, they are the pinnacle of what you could get out of these devices, but we have these other devices that are also there that are giving you a good enough experience, or has internet gotten so good that they are streaming, cloud, doing this thing, and you're getting

the amazing experience on the go-like, G-Force now. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I'm sure we're going to talk a lot more detail about that, but just to piggyback off of what you're saying here. It's like I do think that that's it. And I feel like a theme of all the points I'm going to make today are that I think that we're going to redefine the low end of gaming and the high end is going to stop having to keep going and going and going. It's going to keep going. But I feel like we're about to hit a point that we're already there that we're the chasm between the low end and the high end is a lot closer than it's ever been in the history of games where, yeah, you playing on a handheld PC gaming device at this point is not nearly as good

as playing on a high-end PC, but that difference is way closer than it was for a PSP to PS3 or whatever than we've ever seen in the past, and you add on the cloud stuff to that, and then all of a sudden, all those things go out the window where you are playing Expedition 33 and perfectly

high settings on your Steam deck. So we're already there, and I think it's only going to get better. AI, Elfscaling is going to continue to be ridiculous and make the impossible possible where how the hell am I getting this many frames with a game that's running full movie style path tracing with every light ray being perfectly reflect like it's insane

what's already happening and i i for some reason i feel like a lot of smaller companies will also try to chase we'll try to chase the like the ai upscaling kind of trend not necessarily even trend but i i see smaller tech companies going oh we can do what invidia's doing but we have lower overhead. We're smaller. Let's try to make a name for ourselves and try to get partnered with larger publishers and larger companies. Mike, I saw you react. I was just smirking

at you. That's all. Just a fun one before we get into the real stuff. Go for it. We don't think we're strapping headsets onto our heads in 10 years? Fuck off. You know that is right. I don't think we are. There's a piece of me that's like one day we'll be there, but I don't think we'll ever be there. I think we've proven now in this past 10 years.

People just want to stare at the screen and not have it on their head. I do think it's important to bring up XR, which is something that we've been talking a lot recently because of the Xreal glasses. But this week, even, Google had its I.O. event, which was a much more tech focus. It was kind of like GDC, the way we talk about that for video games, but for more just general tech. And Google and Android XR specifically are diving incredibly deep piggybacking off of all their AI advancements with Gemini into essentially Google Glass is 2.0. But similar to Google Stadio where it's like, oh, back then didn't work ahead of its time. Now it's like,

wait, it actually does work. So seeing the demos that they had of like literally just glass, I mean, even That's what I, you know how much, yeah, I'm not wearing my metas today, but like, you know, I love wearable tech that way and I want the heads up display glasses. AR is such a different conversation than what Mike's talking about. Yeah. For future people and your flying cars of the meta quest 321, the PlayStation VR2 that are shoved in a top wear box because nobody wants to strap them on.

But you take the Apple Vision pro pro, right? And all the things, obviously not a success, but it did a lot. Yeah. amazingly. Yes. However, nobody wants to use it and it's way too expensive and all that. All the good things about it are already at the point that glasses are able to do it. So, and this is always, it's early.

They're expensive, but I give it literally two years from now, like not even 10. Two years from now, you're going to be able to have gigantic OLED screens in your glasses, giving you any heads up displayed stuff that you want. I'd really believe in the ARXR side of it. VR, not at all. Yeah. Andy what? I'm just thinking of

I'm just thinking of you know Jarvis make sure you bring up the you know put the oven on Jarvis for me because like I XR is like such or AR whatever you want to call it augmented reality is

I think for me a lot less gaming focused but the ability to have these static displays just kind of anywhere in your house like man that just also throws a whole wrench in what happens to TV He's like, I don't know. That's like thinking way too far, I think.

But for gaming, I don't know. I agree with Mike where we don't want the big gigantic headset. But as soon as they get more convenient and as soon as you don't need the long cable running, like all of that stuff becomes just like when you said, why do I need a camera in my cell phone? Like all of that stuff just starts to become the norm. Yeah. So let's dive into some of these bullet points then, right? I have a whole section here called the big three.

I want to know because this is something we asked 10 years. years ago, what consoles will there be? Oh, yeah. 10 years makes it tough. Of course. There will be a Nintendo and there will be a PlayStation. There will also be an Xbox. Yeah.

Yeah. Will there be a new entry? Will someone else step in? Does it always have to be the big three? We were still hung up last time of Amazon and Activision. Are they going to enter the console market? I think now it's China. Right?

I think now it's looking at the 10 cents and those type of groups, and I don't think so. I think that we are at a point already that it is more ecosystem digital-based, app-based, storefront-based. But I think all three of the big three currently will still have consoles out in 10 years. New consoles. You know, the rumor was right that Xbox's next thing could dual boot. That was one of the rumors.

Paris was talking about it. We've seen them around the scuttle butt. Do you think you see PlayStation do that as well? Like, I have the same questions we have here. and I think at the top level we can all answer them. Like, will PlayStation exist? Will Xbox exist when Nintendo exist? I think yes across the board, right? I think they could and probably will look dramatically different

in the same way if we were to dial back 10 years ago. What you're talking about, Xbox does not look like Xbox then, right? Even PlayStation to a degree, but it also looks the most reminiscent. Nintendo's gone through such a shift because of the successive Switch and where they're at. But I do wonder about the boxes and what that is. and one of the questions I had here that I'd like your opinions on to piggyback off this, right? What does success look like for first parties in 2035?

I think it continues to look different for each of them. Yeah. I feel like that it's a trend that really started, I mean, debatable Nintendo started it with the Wii when it decided to be completely underpowered. Like that was a choice strategically. But I think that this generation that we're currently in of the Xbox Series X-Pstays PlayStation 5

and Nintendo Switch, like each one of them were clearly going down different paths. And I feel like Xbox kind of fumbled down the path in a bunch of ways, but found the direction

and where they're going down now, it's like, yeah, I think this is going to really pay off for them. And I think that they're going to, in terms of sales, absolutely crush, I think it's cheating

because they just bought everybody and yeah, that's how that works. But like, I do think that they are easily going to be like the biggest publisher. So then I want to bring this question in because I think it's tied to this,

right? But I wrote down, what are the, rankings of the first parties in 2035. Because my bold thing to say right here, a decade out, being Mr. PlayStation and loving my PlayStation so much, I think they're in third place. And I know that we're talking in a very,

it's a very hard conversation because now you're saying, well, what metric of success are we talking about? Right? Where I think so many of us right now in 2025 would be like, man, PlayStation won this generation. When it's like, well, no, Nintendo, they went a different direction.

Like number of unit sales. sold and MindShare, kick the shit out of PlayStation, right? But it's like not what we think of. We think of the AAA box. This is what we're going for where Nintendo isn't playing that game. Xbox lost so badly last generation that they stopped playing that game and made a big deal this generation of we're not playing that game anymore. I think in 10 years, based on what we're seeing right now, in the Xbox PlayStation race,

I think Xbox has set themselves up so well to be the most successful between Xbox and PlayStation. because I think they're going to they're going to be ahead on cloud, they're going to be ahead on plan on whatever device you want, the campaign that's running right now, this is an Xbox, right? This is an Xbox.

I think PlayStation is going to realize, if they haven't already, that shit, that was a great move on where the tech is going and by the time they start trying to spin that up, it'll be hard,

I think, personally, to get the same hopeful mind share out of an audience, out of the world, that that's what they're doing. I mean, there's so many variables. obviously with trying to predict this stuff,

but I think we look at Sony and go, oh, they won, right? And, you know, we're discounting that Nintendo's still dominating. But they beat Xbox because they have the IP, right? They have the IP that's on HBO. They have the IP that, when we're talking to these first party, third person action games that we think about are the big sort of, those are the ones that you look at and go,

man Xbox needs four of those and like and they have none right now but I don't know if it all depends on does Sony stick with the just first party strategy or do they eventually start to kind of take notes and see oh shit Xbox is selling a lot more copies for their first party games first party because they're going everywhere now do we sort of follow suit and I know that everybody's like really certain that they're never going to do that. For me, I just think that executives at Topko, well, doing that equals more money. So yes, let's do that. I mean, 10 years ago, we were certain probably that they wouldn't put it on PC, right? Yeah. We didn't talk about that specifically. We were way more talking about, oh, well,

if this NX thing doesn't hit Nintendo hat, we'll be putting everything out in multi-platform. They'll just be a third-party publisher. It'll just be Sega. I think, again, as we've seen these walls fall down, like, it's inevitable that PlayStation, I think, inevitable that PlayStation releases will be day one on PC as well. I know we can point to hell that. But I mean bigger things too because I think eventually you're going to see these numbers

in my mind of what's going with PC gaming shift in a way that all right, so many people have gone to PC there are so many people that haven't and still own a PlayStation. There are the people who want it cross by, cross play, all this stuff, like just give it to them that way.

I think convenience in meeting gamers where they want to be is what the next 10 years is all about or seeing it now. But it's such an old example I think of IGN when we were there. right before you were there when you were there

but like old IGN where we had a conversation I remember being there in whatever year it was I can't remember if you're actually there or not but of like are we putting IGN videos on YouTube and the answer it was no we have IGN.com people will come to us and they will watch videos on IGN.com and that was wrong right and we learned the hard way

at the time of like no you need to go meet the gamer the consumer where they are and clearly the consumer I think is speaking right now loudly of all my games everywhere I want to be able to play I want to have some fun yeah it's interesting I kind of I'm on the other side of this one. Please. I think that you guys are making a lot of sense,

but I think that with where we're at, PlayStation's in a different place. When we talk about the prestige games and like what people think, the general public thinks about PlayStation, they still have that. I don't think they're going to lose that. I think 10 years is a long time,

there will be a lot of technological changes that could make everything I'm saying wrong. But I think that to Andy's point, Xbox is selling more than they have ever, whatever, with these games, because they're putting on a console that has an insane install base. PlayStation putting their games on Xbox doesn't have that. So it's like not necessarily going to change that so much.

PlayStation games be on PC day one. I do think that that is an inevitability. That should be the goal. I imagine that will happen. I mean PlayStation put it on Nintendo is what I'm talking. Yeah. Like PlayStation going everywhere. Yeah.

And the Nintendo thing I do think is is an interesting possibility there. But I think that PlayStation is going to continue to try to be on that, the highest end and really be the ones to push, push, push the boundaries, where I do think everyone else is going to start to go a little bit lower and follow more. As Nintendo reaches up with the tech, I think that everyone else is going to kind of come down a little bit to get on all the handhelds and all that. I think that PlayStation is going to in the same way that people buy 4K Blue Ray players because they want that dedicated physical hardware that it can do it the best.

I think that PlayStation is going to be the last remaining console that is trying to be the best console and I think that that is going to speak to core gamers that I think will always exist. I think that their numbers will dwindle but I think in 10 years there's still going to be placed for a system, a video game console that that is the best way to play these games and the only way to play these games I mean maybe not only because of PC and stuff but I would not be surprised if PlayStation doubles down is like our games are only on PlayStation 6. for all the flak audio users out there. Yeah.

I also wanted to point out that like 10 years obviously seems like a lifetime, especially when tech is constantly evolving the way it is. But even I know SteamDB is in everything, and even I kind of hate when SteamDB is like the only thing that people ever reference when they're looking at numbers and stuff. But PubG is an 8-year-old game by this point. PubG came out in 2017. that's almost a decade old

and it's still number three on the most concurrent players right now 225K there's just there's such a great chance that the games out right now are still going to be dominating just like CounterStrike 2 which is a more visual upgrade to Counterstrike right Mike is still 1.2 million concurrence right now

at the top of the charts and I think we will like there's a good chance that the top five games being played in 2035 that one or two of them came out this year or are out already or just came out recently or whatever. But I also wanted to call out that when we're talking about does anybody else have a can any other company kind of enter in here when we talked about how Google Glass and all that and Google Stadia being way ahead of the curve, I think steam machines were way ahead

of the curve. And I think Valve with the steam deck is showing that they are taking hardware seriously and I could see them selling a Mac mini looking console that is just... Some type of Steam machine? Steam machine is what they were called. Yeah, Steam machines were way ahead of the game and I think if we see a little baby mini thing that they put out

that's like 600 bucks it runs everything faster and better than what you got right now. But it's a little tiny PC or whatever and maybe it's got the Steam storefront or it has the Steam OS as opposed to just straight up Windows. I think yeah, I think they were

still ahead of the curve way back in the day with steam machines and their stupid-ass controller that didn't feel good or look good. But I think no joystick, just these two satellite dishes. Awful. Terrible. Terrible idea. But I really do think that them seeing the sort of excitement and enthusiasm for their hardware with these little, with the steam deck that that could evolve in the future. So here's. Just real quick.

I want to stay in this. Yeah, me too. Just real quick guys want to say. Again, you're making a lot of sense. I think that it will happen. I think Steam will put out a more like dedicated like not desktop like home theater top setup. I think all things considered, it's going to be a non-factor.

Like I don't think that it's going to sales wise make up for anything in the conversation of like the console space. Like I think that it'll sell significantly less even than the Xbox series S or X. I, Mike was bringing up earlier. kids want PCs more nowadays. And I totally agree just based, I mean, this is all anecdotal, but seeing my nephew who only watches streamers and watches like, you know, people playing PC games, if you could tell a, you know, a family who has a son that really wants that expensive PC, oh, Steam, they're selling that Steambox for $700, $800, whatever it may be. Yeah. As opposed to the big $2,000, $1,500.

PC you might want to buy. This is an equivalent of that as opposed to the PlayStation where he wants to play on keyboard. I don't know. That's all peripheral based and maybe things change in the future. But I think that with the younger audience they are seeing their favorite

personalities play on PC and that's I think only going to continue to grow. My question in all this would be I doubt not that I don't think it could happen obviously, but I doubt valves' interest in entering into the hardware market whether it be a box or anything else,

because I think they did what they needed to do, where the steam machines were a great idea, too complicated, didn't work in terms of like an easy marketing play, right? The Steam deck came out and was like what so many of us had been saying, like, oh man, the switch is great. I wish you could play real games, and quotes, that's insulting.

But you know what I mean? Of like, Which are three at max settings and blah, blah. They make the Steam deck really, make a splash in our market, not in the wider mainstream thing. And that is inspired, right? the Republic of gamers and has inspired so many other people to do this and tinker and blah

and I think my perception of Valve would be they saw that and they went excellent and I'm not saying they don't do another Steam deck but I think they step back and let everybody else run with these ideas and one of them I would think makes the box and again if it is true this rumor

that Xbox is doing this Xbox the next generation Xbox also boots Steam and boots epic or does all it does whatever it does if they're able to do that then that's the ultimate Trojan horse to get PC gaming in at an affordable price point theoretically that you could do. And I think that's more interesting to Valve who already

makes money hand over fist. They've done what they needed it. I feel right now, 10 years before you watch this future, Greg, that they pushed the snowball at the top of the hill. And I do think it's gaining momentum and becoming a snow boulder as it goes. In 10 years, will it be this giant

thing that runs over a town? Who knows? But I think that's more of what Valve's position would be. Him in my role? I don't know. I mean, I I feel like there's there's a lot to even what you just said there. But I think that, yeah, I think that Steam will put out hardware

and I think that it'll be a success to the people that it is. I think the most important thing of all of this is that developers prioritize their games on Steambeck. So even though Steam Deck does not have this giant actual foothold in the industry, it matters enough to the developers because the people that are playing

are fucking engaging and they're really playing in the care. And so I feel like doubling down on that over time that's going to, be, that is going to make the size of the PC gaming audience bigger, but I think the importance of the users on it, even more so. And to Andy's point that everybody's, their content creators and the people they're watching are using PCs, right? Let's go for a walk. Tim, what was our most successful let's play at all the time? Guitar hero? Guitar hero. Do you remember why? We had broken off 10 years ago

from IGN and started our own company kind of funny and we got hit up about this guitar hero event and we said yeah we can come play do you mind if we come record our own footage and do a let's play live and they were like hold on and they went and talked to people like no you can whatever we were the only people to do that because

we had those show guns the little things that plugged and played and it was like a game changer in terms of like you can do this kind of content on the road and then you jumped ahead six months and all of our peers were bringing those kind of things and you jumped ahead a year and every demo you went to had the show guns there ready to record.

Where I'm driving with this is that when I bought my Steam Deck and was so excited for it, every time a code came in for review and it's only on PC, I would be like, cool, does it run on Steam Deck? And they, I don't know, let me go check. And they come back yesterday or whatever it was, right? Now, I would say the majority of emails we get are like, here's your code on PC, here's the information if it works or doesn't work on Steam Deck. And so many times, it isn't running on Steam Deck yet, but it will be verified at launch. like they are telling us are we the games journalists games press influencers whoever's getting these codes are we everybody no but it shows that enough people are asking that same question and then turning around like i am and being like cool there's a new starfield update today everybody's talking about i'm i have you know i'm play anywhere well i have my pc version of starfield that i'm logging into right now to add the coins to buy the thing so that when i get home i can play it on my series x but i can also play it here like i'm talking about the rog ally in a way with an excitement that i haven't talked to

about a piece of hardware in a long, long time. He's been awakened. Yeah. It's dangerous. That's that desire from gamers that have always had of, I want to play my games anywhere at any time, right? And so we are barreling towards that, whether it be on your phone, on a handheld,

on a screen, or dedicated console. We're just, I think 10 years from now, it will continue to be that, and that's what gamers want. And whoever is finding that, whoever is first to that, whoever can really find that and put out great titles of games, that's what they want. That's what we're going to see. I mean, everybody wants that right now.

It's right, Greg. I want to be able to play anything at any time. I love that. Yeah, for sure. Who's going to do that? Timothy, I like talking about this. What I want to know is about the Nintendo Switch. I want to know about this Nintendo Switch, too. And one of the questions I have here is like,

are we on the Eve? Are we talking about that Nintendo Switch 3 in 10 years when we do this? Are we on the eve of the release of the Nintendo Switch 3? Are they calling it the Nintendo Switch 3? What is Nintendo's next 10 years? Yeah, we'll have a Switch 3 in 10 years. Like, we'll already have been a year or two into it, I would imagine. Okay. There's so many questions about the success of the Switch 2, though.

Like, I think that just the time in the world we're in right now with all of the politics and tariffs and just all of the shit. Like, it's going to be rough. And because of all of that, like, I, Nintendo's either going to Grand Slam, knock it out of the park and continue to sell out and all of that. Or I think other factors are getting the way. I think they are primed for it. Like I think that we, 10 years ago, talking about the where we're at the WiiU and the 3DS, now we're talking about the Switch. They have got to the point that we are 10, almost 10 years into their handheld and console development cycles being one. And I think that we're going to get an incredibly consistent output from Nintendo over the next couple of years supporting the Switch 2.

And I think it's going to continue the success that the Switch 1 had in terms of having the majority of their first party games be. purchased by the majority of people that have a Switch 2. So because of that, and I think just like having the momentum so early going into it and also still having the Switch 1 audience, like Nintendo as a whole, they're not going to give up on the Switch 1 for years from now. Like we have at least two years of support of this thing.

So yeah, I feel like this generation, unless things get horribly worse than they are currently, I think it's going to be Nintendo's strongest generation yet. Andy, do you agree with that? Man, it's just so hard for me to think about the future of all of it because I wonder where, like, when these consoles start to stagnate or when these, like, have we kind of hit that, have we hit the top of the mountain already? And how much like, we're sorry, just real quick. Because the point that I want to make just that I want you to jump off is that I should have said here.

The reason I think so highly the Switch 2 is they're going to continue their first party stuff, but it's the third party that's going to be the game changer. Okay. Well, part of me wonders if Nintendo is the company that will most resemble a video game company in the future. Like, and what I mean by that is where gaming is first, where I feel like PlayStation sees the success of maybe their IP doing movies and Xbox wanting to be everywhere and just kind of be an app on your screen, like how you can open up Amazon or whatever the hell on your TV.

I feel like Nintendo will be the company to look most like the game box in the future. It's going to resemble more of what we think of if you looked on clip art for video games. And I feel like every other company will try to do what Xbox did with the Xbox one and how much of a disaster that was, but it was really just way ahead of its time, like a lot of the other kind of failures we've talked about. I think Nintendo will continue to be just the gaming platform with maybe some gimmicks that continue to, like,

not really get fully fleshed out, like the webcam stuff and things like that. Yeah. What I'm fascinated about with Nintendo is, now we see such a push with more handhelds, Tim. We see a push of play anywhere. Is there going to be more competent? against Nintendo to have them change their ways.

When I think Nintendo, it's the games, right? I think it's the parents who grew up with Nintendo. They know it's a family-friendly, safe platform to put their kids on and have them grow in video gaming. But now with the hardware, like you said, right, it's getting better and others are pushing higher, but eventually we'll kind of get to a moment where everything is close. Does Nintendo see a lot of competition and have to change their ways?

Or, yeah, I agree with Andy of, like, it feels like Nintendo's going to be Nintendo in 10 years. It's easy to say that. but like do we see them massively change? I mean, I think the biggest difference, and we're going to see it in just a few weeks. I'm telling you all right now, I brought this stuff a couple days ago.

Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be a gigantic surprise to people and how well it sells and the response and reception to it on the switch too. I can be totally off. And the thing is, if it comes out and it runs like shit and people don't like it and doesn't review well, I take back everything I'm saying for this. But I think that this is going to be a statement piece that CD Project Brom.

red are they're not doing the stupid game card key, whatever the hell thing. They are sticking to. We're doing the big one. We're investing in that because we believe in it. Nintendo players buy physical games. They still matter. There's the digital sales, but then there's still this like toy level appreciation of Nintendo being seen as a video game console

that I think works in their benefit. And the third parties that adapt that philosophy, I think are going to find a lot of success because Nintendo fans will reward them. And to your point, Mike, it's like, yeah, right now, Nintendo fans buy Pikmin and Animal Crossing and Mario and Zelda and stuff. If we can now get people also buying all the Square games on Switch, all of the Capcom games, all of the Ubisoft games. Can they make it good enough?

Good enough. And I think that's the big thing is yes, there's a lot more competition in terms of there's stronger handhelds available or whatever. But they're still tinkering. It's still PC gaming. As easy to use the Steam Deck is, it's not nearly as easy as Nintendo. So the thing is it still has to work.

it can't be like switch one where it's like these are the worst ports ever they need to be like oh these are good ports it has to be good if it's good i think that nintendo's about to just run with this shit because the the fact of the matter is we don't need to wait for a PlayStation handheld we don't need to wait for a uh can it play via cloud or whatever it is a handheld device and the text there like we're getting the hDR we're getting the VRR on the portable side of it like it's 4k like they've said everything they need to to be in the competition and they're already winning so many other areas of the competition that all they need is third parties and if they get that holy crap man they're about to take over and the bigger

question is do we also see a Pokemon land theme park in the future oh come on yeah yeah come on that's it and within 10 years yeah that's what it's happening yeah now really quick 10 years is a long time we will be done with the switch too we'll be moving into the next one tim are they going to stick with the handheld dual handheld slash home console? Or would they ever move away from that? See, this goes back to what you were saying about, you know, eventually we don't want a hardware. It's like, we just want to think.

The thing about the handhelds is you need a controller. No matter what you need a controller. What screen you're using, whether it's glasses or a TV or a screen in between a controller, you still need a screen, right? So because of that, I feel like the switch is, we're already kind of saying this, but in 10 years, we're going to be like, dude, the switch was ahead of its time, right?

Like, the fact that it is the console that you can plug into the TV and just take with you, it checks all the things you need for video games, control input and visual display. I think that it'll continue to do that. This is the, this is what video games are. I want that. I don't believe in that.

I just feel like, I think cyberpunk, and I know this is, fun because it's like a time castle for two weeks. And I didn't play cyberpunk. I haven't seen. I haven't touched the Switch 2. I just don't believe it's going to run well enough that hardcore gamers, gamers like us are going to look at it and go, that is good enough. That is it where I'd want to play this kind of games. I think they'd still want to do this and Nintendo will still be making money hand over fist and products that are great for Nintendo fans. And I would love if I eat my words and switch two drops and it's good enough and I'm playing games over there.

And suddenly my Nintendo goes from being something I leave on the dock forever until there's this exclusive I really want and it becomes something that competes with my Steam deck. But I think an important thing, the point that I'm trying to make is I don't think that the Switch 2 is going to convert the majority of people that are currently

playing cyberpunk on other systems to play it on the Switch. I think it'll convert some of them, but what I do think it'll do is convert Nintendo gamers to not just buy Nintendo games but to also buy these third-party games and think about the Nintendo audience that only has the Switch that haven't been able to play all of these

games and now all of a sudden they can and hopefully they're good enough that's going to be the game changer uh before i go to ads chun two d2 says gregg the steam deck subreddit thinks 2077 is amazing on there and it's likely similar to how it'll be on the switch so again i want to eat my words i'd love it if it starts getting multi-platform hey do you want to code them like yeah is it is it run on steaming the switch too that doesn't make sense but you know how it is uh everybody we have so much more to talk about for the future uh remember we won't have a future without you we need your support uh big up a Kind of Funny membership. Of course, you can give us $10, get all of our shows, ad free,

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We're back. I have officially bought Watchtower, Orbital Strike, slash Fleet Command, a creation on the Starfield store. If you were wondering, I currently have five days, three hours, and two minutes on the Starfield safe. Barrett, while we wait for Andy to come back, can we watch this Starfield trailer? Ten years ago, apparently one of the greatest creations the Starfield ever came out. From the moment we first reached for the stars. Remember, this is fan-made. They were already.

here entities of unfathomable power immortal entity boundless we've seen what they're capable of if what a handful would turn their attention upon us humanity could not hope to survive frontier to fleet prepare for jump grab drive stable we remember fans are making this this is it bethesta blown away and so it is our duty to contain them at any cost. Now I'm so ready for this. Orville strikes, Andy. This is a mod?

Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, when you talk about 10 years in the future, Greg, it's fun to talk about user-generated content, right? With, hell yeah. Fortnite at the precipice of what they want to do in Fortnite of allowing people to create Roblox being that of, like, people are just creating inside of that. But, Dessda, of course, allowing people to do that.

Will we see more games do this? Will we see more rise to the top and maybe take over? It's that kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean, especially with how good the tech is that's available to so many people now. Fuck yeah. You know, like, not no longer, no longer is, has Unreal Engine become the, like now it's just, you can download that. You can get that sort of free license or whatever. You can look at all of these tutorials on YouTube and learn how to 3D model and things.

things like that. Like I think we're going to see a lot more like that democratization of these tools. Yeah, 100% that's great. Yeah, in the chat right there, Sui says, well, Greg still be talking about Starfield in 10 years is the big question. Playing it, I highly doubt it, but I'd love that to it happening. Talking about it for sure. I think every time, you know how much I love Western RPGs.

You know, that's my shit, man. And so like, yes, when we talk about them, inevitably, somebody will ask you compared to Starfield. As I saw yesterday with Outer Worlds, which I know is a bit different, but also. Do you think we'll be talking about a Starfield two one day? No. 10 years from now, we're in the fallout, ES, you know, Elder Scroll 7, 6, whatever. Like, do you think we'll get to a Starfield 2 when that one?

I don't. I don't. I don't. I think so, yeah. I think they want, I think, you know, I don't know, man. I just don't think it had the gravitas. I don't think it grabbed. And I think it's so hard. You know, there's already, you know, people are joking,

dunk on me all the time. Understandably, because I like it so much. And it's such a not amazing game 10 out of 10 experience. but like I think it's somebody even put in the chat like Starfield's good now it's like Starfield's been good for a while even if even with all the criticism I think Starfield was good at launch

but like we operate and it's either good or bad and so since it wasn't as Mike understandably said it needed to be game of the generation for Xbox and it wasn't that's the level of expectation they work with I think it's interesting to turn around and be like will Elder Scroll 6 be game of the generation can that possibly live up to the hype

I mean 10 years for now hopefully we've already played it we know, right? I want to we're going to go there. We're going to get into some game-specific. Will Elder Scrolls 6 live up to the hype

and we'll have released it by 10 years and will we have another fallout from Bethesda like a Bethesda game studios fallout? Within this 10-year window. Yes.

Yeah, we'll have those two games will be out within the 10 years. Okay, fair. I think they'll both be out as well. Will they live up to the hype? Do you think? Will Elder Scrolls live up to the hype? I don't think it has a choice.

I think it's, It's tough to say. I want to say yes, it will because I think fans love that game and behold hold that differently than a new IP. I think there will be people that go, man, Bethesda, this is truly now the moment of you need to change. You need to elevate and like really take what you have and somehow grow this because we have now seen this from Starfield, which was a new IP, and we wanted this to be a little

bit different. So now we go to Elder Scrolls and it just can't be, we're playing the Oblivion remake. You've seen Skyrim. There's only so much change has been had. Now we're 20 years later. It's going to be wild. I adore Bethesda games, period. Like, I just love them.

But I love them for what they are. And as we talked about it was Starfield, right, a little bit of pre, but mostly post, right? Where it was like, I, people forget what Bethesda games are. And I understandably so because Oblivion was so radical for its time. Skyrim was so, oh, my God, I can go to them, all these different things.

But, like, people just, lose sight of what those games are their DNA and I don't see the DNA changing for Elder Scroll 6. I think Elster Scroll 6 is going to be great. I think a lot of people are going to love it. I do not think it is this 10 out of 10. Everybody can't believe their eyes. I don't think it's going to have the permutations of a Baldur's Gate.

It's going to have the dialogue and acting of this because that's just not what these games are. Well, that will be the thing that people hold against them and ask them, when is it going to be time to evolve and change? Because we'll have Crimson Desert out here, maybe this year, next year. And that will be something that pushes the gameplay. You've had Balder Gate.

push the narrative and player choice. And it's just one of those of, we love Bethesda games. We love the IPs that they've made and what Todd Howard and the team have created. We just want them to grow with us into 20, 35 and beyond. Will they do that or will they just always be a Bethesda game? Yeah. I think they'll continue to do what they do. But where, you know, whenever we talk about game development and how,

when I was like wanting to be an artist and. artists are a dime a dozen. You could fucking throw a rock and you'd hit a 3D artist and they'd be the best 3D artists you've ever seen your life. There's so many incredible, incredibly talented artists out there and studios need them less and less. And programmers are the next up. Anybody in technical stuff coding, those are like the next up.

For me, the largest gulf in game development is writing. Ah. with narrative and character writing, and I feel like the people who are the best of the best writers usually go to film or TV. And I think, I legitimately think that Skyrim, or sorry, Elder Scroll 6 can be a really good video game,

but if it has moments with characters and story, like we've, I just watched episodes 1 through 3 of Andor, I'm like, fuck man this is so good if we can get that level of narrative in gaming more and more consistently i think that's where we get those we get the large elevation of experience of you going man what an incredible experience got elder scroll six was yeah the gameplay barely evolved in the you know shooting feels fine and magic is awesome and there's a lot of like neat things like we saw in

crimson desert where you can burn the wood and then break it down you'll see technical jumps like that, but for me, it's always been like, man, writing is where gaming is, uh, that's the weakest point. And if that continues to improve, then we'll think back so fondly about those experiences. Really good point. So let's jump into a section I call GTA. Will Grant theft auto six live up to the hype? You know, it's, it's funny, Jordan in the chat, George! The only game of this level with expectations that actually hit it was Final Fantasy 7 remake. And I do think that's an important thing to think about it. Like, there are a certain games and properties that are just like, oh, it's impossible to actually live up to the hype.

And my fantasy 7 did. But you look at things where it's like you do reach a certain point, whether it's Elder Scroll 6, where it's like live up to the hype. I don't think it's literally possible for it to do that. Can it be good enough that it's like well received? Absolutely. And I actually think that it will. GTA 6, the expectations of living up to the hype, there's so many different things of,

cool, the game needs to last a decade. The game needs to make a bazillion dollars plus the game needs to be critically well received and get perfect 10s. If it doesn't get perfect tens, it didn't live up to the hype. So by definition, no, but I do think that in the reality of what we should possibly be expecting from a video game, I do think it's going to live up to it. GTA 6 lives up to the hype, says Greg Miller. Interesting. I think it nails it. I look at it a little bit differently. Does GTA online live up to it? Because it's not GTA 6 and what that means. It's the online factors you brought up to him. like GTA 5, you can think of people liked it.

Some people didn't really care for it. You played the campaign. You've moved on for the 10 years. Really what matters is the online. Can that live up to the hype? And there is so much more that they can do in that sandbox. And they've seen that from the RP servers. They've purchased teams that can do that kind of things.

And now the question is, can that online live up to the hype that we want? That metaverse, that world we live in. Is this going to be what the fans want? expect. And I think that's where the question is. And I think the answer to that is yes. Yes. Exactly. Yes. I think so too. The amount of times we as kind of funny

have tried to jump back into GTA Online and me and Kevin will have a few nights and the one blessing got hired and we played a few. It's like you get in and it's like, oh, this is so cumbersome. Oh, it's like there's something there but it's not there. I think when you look at all of the shit that's happened since GTA Online originally launched, and I mean

like in the industry of multiplayer, what do people want? How does this work? The role playing people they've bought and all this. Like I imagine Rockstar has to have been cooking and really working on getting GTA online two, for lack of a better term, to a place that maybe is going to have a rough launch and all the stuff. But I think you give that another decade of growing on that. You, the, the install base. Again, just the fact of I think how many people understand what an online game is now versus or GTA online originally. So you do it here and you actually make it a, it feels like I'm playing GTA6 online with my friends and stuff. I think. I, yeah.

I see it as, I think GTA Online will be there. Like, I think thinking back to GTA Online, how they kind of started discovering what the platform was going to be. Because initially it's pre-Rome chaos, a lot of fun, but there's also Death Match mode and there's a headshot only mode or, you know, races and all that stuff. But I fully see GTA Online becoming like their destiny too, where we will never see. a campaign DLC for Grand Theft Auto 6. We will only see

large-ass patches where, or not patches, but large-ass expansions where your Destiny Guardian or your created character in GTA is the main character of the story similar to all of the side stories that you would see in GTA online,

but I think that they take it to a much further level where it's, you're almost getting like a full-ass campaign in G-D-A ITA online. It's not just a little 40-minute mission where you talk to Lamar or whatever. I think you're going to be getting full-ass, big, expansive expansions, and you will play with your friends and you will do the raid, the heist, or whatever, and you know, cool, that was a lot of fun. We have a lot of other modes we can go hop in, but the next big expansion drops in

three months and that's going to be another 12 to 15 hours of story content or whatever. I think that's going to be like their platform going forward. I agree. I think that would be pretty huge for them too. My question then on this GTA topic then would become this. We've gotten a sequel to GTA 6 in these 10 years. No. Do you think there ever is a GTA 7 or is it just GTA online updates and purchases and stuff like that? Man, that's interesting.

It is interesting. That's what I do. I'm kind of funny. I think there is. I think I don't know if it'll be, I mean, I don't think it'll be 10 years. but I think 13 years 15 years yes yeah there's just too much money at play

and like no matter what no matter how many advancements we make and no matter even if like we don't get to 16k TVs or whatever whatever they designed for gta online too is going to feel in some ways outdated in 15 years they don't have to whatever the next fortnight is whatever the next you know all these new things that we don't even know about now they'll have to be able to adapt those into yeah i think there will be a

GTA 7 and it'll be, I mean, a lot of it is mainly for me just from a money standpoint of, well, that would generate a massive amount of hype. And you can only make so much money and get so much hype off of these GTA online expansions or these next big updates or heist or whatever. And the 7 being the brand new entry will have the same amount of ground swell of insane hype that GTA 6 is having right now. GtA7 is going to sell another million million consoles in this generation.

Yeah, it's going to do that kind of stuff. Well, let's move on to the one the only Summer Game Fest. Of course, we are two weeks away from the Nintendo Switch 2 launch, which means we are two weeks away and a day from SGF 2025. Tim, in 2035, is SGF still around? That is interesting, isn't it? That's what I do on. Kind of funny games.

I'm not sure. Why, you think it might have evolved I'm going to say yes? Yeah. Yeah. I just think the industry has a lot of ships ahead. And summer game fest. Here's what I say.

I say yes, but I don't think it's called summer game fest anymore. Maybe it is, because what my idea here is, is I think summer game fest is still around. I think Game Awards is still this premiere event. But I think Jeff's gotten even more serious about it. And maybe it is that there's summer game fest and fall game fest. and this, you know what I mean? Like make it a brand that can be more than this and somehow unify that with Game Awards more

so people understand at a glance what this is. That's my hesitancy in just saying yes, absolutely, where I feel like Summer Game Fest in some form there will be a place for games to be talked about. I just don't know how that looks, but I think Game Awards 1,000% still exists. Oh, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, branding more in line with that,

I could see happening. But I would bet yes, but it's not a sure thing. I'll go to Mike. I want it down line. Yeah, it's an interesting one here, Greg, because we've seen in the past just a couple of years, not the whole decade, of E3 going away that, hey, this is the week you've got to be here.

We've seen that slip away, right? Now we've seen the powers to the companies of, well, you can, Xbox, you can do it whatever you want. Hey, PlayStation, you can just dictate to us when you want to do this. And so I think we've kind of moved away from the, this has to be the week. This is the one event you show up to. And sure, we've added more events along now,

but like that June event is gone now. My dream, of course, yeah, I want Jeff to continue on with Summer Game Fest. I think he teams up with the Pax. And all of a sudden it is a big in-person event similar to what we had in the summertime that he can do there. I would love to see that. But I don't think we will see this is the week-long event that we have to be here. The companies have moved to, we're on their time.

And they can post a trailer anytime they want. And they can dictate to us when we see it. Sure, smaller teams need. kind of this boost, but I don't think we'll see this anymore. Andy? Yeah, you know, people love a physical place to go visit as a vacation spot or as an event to go hang out and see just in the same way that people love going to Comic-Conns and things like that.

I think it will evolve, like Mike is mentioning. I don't know if it's a partnership with PACs, but I see it becoming a much larger public venue as opposed to like this smaller thing with a live event. becoming a much larger attraction in the way that people will go to L.A. Comic-Con to get the big brand new news on the Marvel movies or whatever. I

see it becoming a larger thing so people can all kind of gather and, you know, see their favorite video games and... Yeah, I think there was an interesting one that went by live in the Twitch chat where... Oh, no, there it is. Still there. Brand Mats. Oh, no, there it goes.

Of, hey, if Jeff still wants to still do it, it'll do it. But if he retires or if he does want to do anymore, it's over. I wholeheartedly disagree with that because I think that's like looking at kind of funny. You'd be like, oh, kind of funny will be around as long as Greg wants to still be on camera. Like, well, no, the idea is to build something here, a brand, a business that I can eventually, me and Tim and all of us can somehow recede into the background, new voices are lift up and go, which does lead me to the question is, is Jeff Keely still hosting the game awards in 10 years?

I don't know that I agree with what you just said. I feel like he's building a brand and a business. No, I think Jeff's building it. Jeff's building it. I agree. He's building, but I think when he, it's like Dick Clark productions when Dick Clark stepped back and then Ryan Seacrest went in. Yeah, but there's,

there's something about Jeff that I don't think people give him enough credit for how much work he does. I 100% agree with that. Only he can do because of his legacy and his connections and network. Like, it's, it is like there could be an attempt to continue. I do not think it looks anything like what we have now. And I think what we have now is already not enough for most people.

Like I think that. Jeff is able to pull as big gets as he gets because he's Jeff. I literally don't think anyone else, anyone else can do that. And I also don't think that his gets are, there's not enough of them. I think the gets get bigger every year. To some degree, I'm obviously there's years. There's nobody has something to say. But I think he shows that he has this muscle.

And yeah, it's Jeff being Jeff, but it's also Jeff with, hey, this thing did X percent more views this year. It's on more platforms and the thing. Like, I think he's building GameWords and SGF to be a brand that is going. that is eventually he's still making those calls. He's still reviewing games. He might not be hosting. He might not be doing this. And then when he's finally done and retires,

that business is gone. Now, as I mentioned, he's probably maybe even sold the business to somebody or something that's changed how it looked at in general. But I think eventually you get this machine whipped up enough that is going and it is, the brand is what's cool about it for people to be a part of.

Does it eventually become a style of a team that becomes, like you were mentioning Keeley Productions, where it's multiple. So it doesn't have to just be Keely. 100%. Yeah, 100%. And then we get hologramed Keely. I don't think I don't think Jeff's hosting game awards in 10 years.

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is him hosting it 10 years. I'm still split 50-50. I know you'd want to. I think that Jeff is not going to stop hosting the game wards if they continue to exist, which I think that they will by choice. Okay. I think other factors might come into play where he's just like, he's forced to have to do it. But it's his baby he wants to do it.

I think he deserves to do it. Hell yeah. Cool game, Jeff. Mike. Yeah, Greg. In 10 years is Hideo Kajima still making games? Man, you read my mind, Greg. I saw that one and I said, oh boy, let's talk about it, all right?

Greg Miller, I'd love to say that he is on the retirement tour and he's handing the USB flash stick to Andy Cortez and says, make my games for me. Oh, yeah, yeah. But no. he is still making games and we are looking at Fisint 2 10 years from now and we are getting excited yeah so here's how my mind goes

in the next 10 years of course we'll get OD we'll get Fisins whatever just say we're like five years from Fisant 1 yeah well that's what I mean is like 10 years we're going to be getting hyped for number 2 the sequel be happening and when we think oh man Hidal you've done so much like enjoy retirement get out of here big dog he's going to be

fueling the fire of this game rocks and the people want it I'm back again for this one. And so, yeah, I think 10 years from now, we're looking at whatever this is number two and we're all still excited, he's excited for it. I think after Fizant is when the movie directorial debut happened. Oh, okay.

I still see him work. I think he's just such a workaholic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think only death can take him from work. Legitimately, like, I think he's just so passionate and has so many weird ideas and wants to always be as creative as possible. Of course, what? Kijima is 61 right now,

so we're pushing 71 out there. I agree with you, but I think... 70 is a new 50. 100%. I think Kajima will be making things until he dies. So maybe that's just a very hands-off creative approach. He pitches an idea.

Somebody goes and makes the game or whatever. Yeah. I'm actually with what Mike's saying, I think the only hesitation I have in Fisint 2 being talked about in 10 years is do movies completely take over his life? And that's it.

Right, because I can see Fizant being the last game because he then makes a movie and then gets addicted to that and we're four sequels deep into a franchise. But is Cajima production still making a Fizzin too? Yeah. Yeah. But even then, I think he's making games. I think he's making games till he dies. But I also think he's going to make movies. I really think he's going to try to find a, like this is going to sound like a joke.

I think he's going to do all of all he can. cancer research into copying his consciousness. Do an AI or you can just be like, I really think that like if anybody's going to not do it in terms of tech, I'm not saying like he's like this tech mogul billionaire or whatever, but if anybody is going to want to do that the most, it will be him.

Yeah. In 10 years, Miyamoto will be 82. Yeah. Is he still making video games? I mean, he's not making video games at 72, right? Like he's moved on to theme parks.

and movies and I think the bigger question is will we ever see a Miyamoto game again? And I don't think so. I think Myanmar's influence clearly. He'll be involved. He'll be in the credits of many games. But I don't think we see another

Miyamoto game. And I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing. The last couple we got from him weren't necessarily what we remember him for. So yeah, I do think that you bring it up this like, well, we see more from these developers. Like an important thing to note is

the first class of game designers are on their way out at this point. Like, games have been made for a very long time. It's crazy that Super Mario Brothers 1 was made by a handful of people. It's even crazier that that handful of people for the most part, like by a vast majority,

are still working at Nintendo. In 10 years, they won't be. So. Yeah, we saw that newer sort of team during, was it Mario, was it Mario Kart World or was it Bonanza where we're seeing these I thought it was the opening of the Switch too, right?

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, just seeing newer faces we hadn't really seen a whole lot. I think that newer class eventually newer class and it's a bunch of like 40-50-year-old. Could have been working on these games for a very long time, right? Yeah, but now it's their time to really. Right. Yeah. In 10 years, Neil Druckman will be 56.

Is he still making video games? Yes. Yeah? You don't think he gets fully taken over by movies, TV? Nah. He got that gamer in him, man. Like I think that he's in such a unique position, too, where it's like he's getting the,

the acclaim and the have your cake and eat it too. It's like he can create these worlds and then present them in multiple forms of media. And I think that he has the golden ticket with HBO at this point. So yeah, I feel like he wants to be a creator. Like I think that creating worlds and IP is of great value to him. But I think that all starts in games. I'm totally with you. I think that you saying that he's got that game room,

that's like the first thing that came to my mind as well. I think he's too into the challenge of making a fun interactive thing with really like resonant narrative themes and stuff. I think he just really loves the process of all of it. I mean, even with that report of him working on a second game as well, like that kind of caught me off guard at least. Yeah, I think he will still be super into wanting to continue game development. But also, yeah, tin nailed it with half as cake and eat it too. How can I push these mediums forward? And I kind of have, you know, all the permission in the world to also dive into other mediums now because they've seen what can happen.

Greg, does he get a lure to go somewhere else? I think so. I don't know anything, obviously. This is just fucking making it up as you go. My thought would be that at some point, opportunities are going to be. going to present themselves to Neil that he'd want to chase and I think PlayStation wouldn't want him to chase. Not even in an nefarious shitty way, but like PlayStation is paying you and paying Naughty Dog

to pay you right to make this but you're getting an opportunity to go direct this show, go make this movie, go do this thing. I think I can easily see it being Neal's like, I'm going to step away from Naughty Dog. I've loved my time here in the kennel with the dogs. I'm going to go over here. I'm going to make some weird shit. I'm going to do some stuff. That doesn't disqualify him from contributing to it.

an independent project making an independent game doing something like that but that's the shakeup I could see coming that eventually is Neil Druckman you get into a lot of there's a lot of scenarios I was going to say uh Kajima Konami Greg Miller IGN but it's like what's the brand loyalty what are you trying to do

what is PlayStation ever going to get pissed off that Neil's Neil you know what I mean that he's like become this name and that it's harder to manage and do stuff with that I could see him wanting even more freedom and wanting to make his own thing that isn't that's still game a game studio, but no longer under the watchful eye of Sony up there, you know.

I appreciated that last year's time capsules, 10 years ago's time capsule was like a 22-minute episode. And this is already gone so long, and I've so many more bulletplastic on. Well, and you got to review mission impossible. Maybe we'll do a second part later on for the industry at large. The one question I want to end on is this, something we're all very worried about talking all the time. Andy, in 10 years, is generative AI okay?

Okay. Have we figured out how to use AI in a game that is in a way that isn't, oh, God, I hate this. And it's stripped the soul out of everything. No. No. Generative AI specifically. Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah.

Yeah. If we're, I mean, you're still going to have the people that are okay with it. Yeah, you know, there's plenty of people who feel like it's okay to do that. Is there any chances like NFTs where it's just over? No. No, no. It's going to keep ramping up. I think it's going to continue to.

get its foothold and you'll see more and more people out of jobs, but then you'll also see the pushback of, I think you will see more and more people, higher-ups, directors and things like that, and these more powerful, advantageous positions of power that go, fuck that, we don't do that in the same way that you see, oh gosh, who are the Spider-verse creators? Lord of Miller.

Yeah, Lord of Miller, like, them being very vocal, like, fuck that, we don't want that, we're not agreeing to do anything like that. that. I think you will see a push in a pool between the much larger creative heads going, we're going to go off and do our own thing. Hey, big corporation, if you're really going to dive deep into this, we'll create our own thing over here. You can keep doing that. Have fun with it. You know, I think there's going to be a much larger, stronger divide. Anybody else want to chime in? I agree entirely with Andy. All right, fair enough then.

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