Kinda Funny Gamescast: Video Game Podcast - Where is Metroid? - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 14

Episode Date: April 10, 2015

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What's up guys? Welcome to the first and last ever, episode 14 of the kind of funny games cast. Right here, we got Colin Moriarty. Right there, we got Greg Miller, two of the two coolest dudes in video games. And right there, we got Alfredo D.S. Oh, hello. AKA Alfredo plays on Twitch.tv. That I am. Alfredo plays. And the Alfredo plays on Twitter.

There were a lot of concern when you left about how you're going to pay your bills. Could Twitch do it? You left Twitch went down. You're now being sponsored by quickly, so everything's okay. Things are working out. When you need green stuff with tapioca balls, you go to quickly. Our next step is going to be recreating that video. They have playing on loop.

Oh, yeah. And every quickly where it's like the guy late to the date with the roses. Never been. Never been inside of quickly. Damn. Man. They're all over a thousand times. There's quickly, there's quickly express.

There's like a K-Quick superstars. Yeah, it's like how quick can you get? It's just, it's a very important thing. Now, we start each and every one of these episodes talking about how it's the first and last episode of whatever. Right. And during episode 12, Greg was like, there could be another. There will be another. And there was another.

A prophecy. And this was a mistake. For some reason, the podcast keep, for some people they're showing up and for some people they're not showing up on iTunes. And if you're not getting it, I think it's a rarity. Because if we're seeing the stats, people are getting the episodes. So if you're not getting it, I don't know why. Maybe you need to refresh your cookies or something.

If you're not getting some. What kind of cookies? I don't know. Just all of them. Hopefully it chips a whole. boy, but, what the fuck is wrong with you? They're not as good as it used to be.

Who does that? Who says that? Chips a hoy? I knew some people that were down as fuck with chips a hoi. Like, Olenade chips a hoi. Don't get me wrong. I'll enjoy a chips at hoy once in a while,

but if I'm like, if I'm thinking about the best, remember, did you have Matt's chocolate chip cookies out here? Was that a Chicago thing? That's definitely not a thing. They were like packaged, but they were all soft and moist all the time. I love moist. Oh, moist cookies are the best. What was the soft moist ones?

Kevin. Soft and moist chips. No, no, they do that, but there's another cookies that are, that they just tend to be moisture. They're the moist version of the Kebler Elbs. No, the Chips O'Hawai ones had the soft moist version, too. The chocolate fudge bottoms and the things across the time. No, little Kebler-Eld motherfuckers. Their chocolate chip cookies were like way moisture than the chips of ho.

Remind me this. Yes. The Chips-A-Hoy. I remember three packages of Chips-A-Hoy. There was the red package, the blue package and the brown package. Now, if I remember correctly, the blue package was the original, right? And the red was. Chew-ie.

It was chewy. And the brown was extra chocolate, right? Was that it was? It was like, well, I mean, if it's bad, you gotta be extra chocolate.

It's got me something. I never had a chip as a hoy with peanuts. There was no peanuts. I don't think so. No, I don't think that happened. Keb's getting the phone out. I'm gonna call bullshit on that.

Samsung, whatever. All right. Guys, going back, going back to the task at hand. Episode, like,

there's episodes not going up, but they are going up. That's the thing. There's no episode not going up. But there's some people not seeing it. So we re-uploaded episode 12 of the gamescast. Some people they got it twice. So technically there was two episode 12s.

The people are screenshot in it. Thank you for that. Have you ever explained the dating system? The dating system. And I don't mean like how Afraid the dates. Last week on a game over Gregory show, the fact that the dates are back a week. No.

So yeah, you're right. We probably should have addressed this at some point. If you're getting these on iTunes and there's a lot of people that'll tweet at us and they'll just be like, oh hey, the last gamescaster, the last Game Over Grie's show went up on like two weeks ago. Two, three weeks ago, and it's just like, that looks that way, but it's not because we upload it to SoundCloud to go to Patreon users and they get the private link and all that stuff. We upload our shows way early. If you want the shows early, go to patreon.com slash kind of funny games and you can get them.

If not, you just wait. So we're not behind. They're showing the original upload date, which is always two Thursdays before it gets uploaded on Friday pretty much. Exactly. For you on the general side. So it does get confusing. The news is always there. The Evergreen Tim is always there with his double episode.

What do we have on the Chips Sooy front? Chunky. Chunky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was right. I remember that. Now, were there any other, was there anything else other than the blue, the red, and the brown that you can find? I don't remember, I don't remember any other packaging specifically. There's definitely chewy ones.

Yeah, chewy is the red. That's the red ones. Those were good, but they weren't as good as mats. Blue was OG, red was chewy. The brown was the- Then there's the ones with the Eminems in them. There was the ones with the Eminem's in them. And there's the ones with the peanuts in them.

I don't remember the peanuts. Was the M&Ms? Was that a Keebler? Keebler definitely does have MNAML's. But there is Chips-A-Hoy. There's rainbow chips-ahoy. I remember that, too. I do remember that.

Now I'm starting to crave some chips-a-hoi. And again, not as... Now there's a turnaround here, Greg. No, I'm not saying... I'm just saying if you could have any cookie you want, Chips-A-hoey is an interesting response. That's true, but it's also just a good... What is this thing?

I mean, that's not... That doesn't exist. That doesn't exist. This is Chips O'Oye trying to keep up with Oreo. Now, keep in mind, they do have Chips Ahoi with Oreo cream inside them now. But isn't Chips Ahoi Nabisco? Right? That's what Oreo is for sure.

I cannot talk to you about the lineage. That's what I say Chips Ahoi because I feel like they're in like the Coca-Cola of cookies. Like their whole, all of the cookies that they got, the Oreos, the Chips-A-Hoy, the other stuff. They probably do they? They do they? That sounds great. I like the Keebler elves. He's just like my homie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were my homie They got way too excited When the commercials came on I liked I liked the Fudge style chocolate I don't like chocolate But I did like the

The Keebler elves Cookies very much I like that there was a narrative To their commercials I like that they were hard workers Yeah They were working hard They were there was a

Chips So Hoy had some dope commercials though Chips So hoit bram Brum brum That was their one fucking commercial And they You remembered it I remembered it This is the exact same commercial

I was thinking of Now tell me One of the narratives With the Kebler elves What were they doing You got the old Kuebler-Elfman. Yeah, that old piece of shit. Yeah, he started it all.

He hollowed out the tree himself, fought a bunch of fucking fire ants. That's his prequel is just that tree was infested with fucking fire ants. They took a lot of his people. A lot of his brother lost. Lost his brother. Then it was really weird because his, this is the old man elf who goes on a run. What was the brother's in? He was a young man, Elf.

His name, Joe the Elf. Joe the Elf. This is Slater of the Elf story, though. Slater, Slater of the elf is the old man, you know. Slater Slater. They're fighting all the fire ants. Joe dies, but eventually they win the war. Fire ants are extinguished.

Now, what's sad, right, is that, of course, this leaves Joe's wife widowed. And so, like, it's one of those things that is like... Oh, I don't like what this is going. Sarah. Is Joe's dying here? He's like, Slater, you got to take it. Sarah, you got to take it.

He's like, I will, I will, I will. Now, exactly. You're jumping ahead here. The problem, of course, is that Slater was married at the time, too. Now, as luck would have it, his wife would come down with cancer and die. What was her name? Her name? Rebecca.

Rebecca, the elf. Yeah. So Slater's able to get it on with Sarah and then make all the elves you see inside the hollowed out, fire ant tree. All of them. So it's just like this. It's a family business. It's like your local cobbler shop.

Making love and making cookies. Making love making cookies. Are you saying cobblers because of the kebler? Is that like kind of how you're getting to the, that's the example of the store? I was trying to think it sounds like a coplar. I was thinking of what's a rustic job that you wouldn't eat on top of. The cobbler is fixing these shoes. My friends had to go get their shoes cobbled recently, and I thought it was a fucking joke.

But there's a cobble place. Yeah, there's one like on Irving. Are your friends women? Yes. I've never seen. And this isn't a gender thing. I just don't know any man who, like, just doesn't throw away his shoes takes them to get cobbled. But I've had multiple girlfriends take their shoes and to be fixed.

To be fixed. I just buy new commerce. You can't cobble the commerce. Don't cobble the cobbers. All right, guys. You take them into a cobblower. They're going to just throw them back in your face. We don't gobble.

Godvers. I'm not even going to the rigmarole at all today. You guys know what the hell the show is. We're going straight to the first time. We had a different kind of rigabor roll. You know what the show is. Are you sure you know what the show is? I think what just happened proves to them what the show is.

We got to get a sponsorship from Chipson. Yeah, that sounds good. And all we do is sing loose and Tom. So, Colin, I think you're going to like this one. Okay. Because this is a feature that we, recently brought you great joy. Updates Guardian over on Twitter wants to know about character customization and creation.

What are our thoughts on this? What are our memories on this? Do we like it? Is there pros? Is there cons? Because I got a lot of thoughts. The Golden Age has come and gone. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2.

You're right. We're in the same ballpark at least. I'm thinking of the wrestling games. You're no mercies and whatnot. You're NWO revenges and whatnots. That was where you had enough options where you would not. make things and your friend, I, you know, recreated the entire, everyone knows I'm a former backyard wrestler, two-time BYWF champion. I made the entire roster of the BYWF in WWF no mercy,

of course. And everybody came over and was like, holy shit, these guys look amazing. I can't believe you, like, you could cobble it together and play with the, yeah, you could cobble it together, play with the colors, get these things to look as close as possible, like to have these things that looked really real. And then when the next gen came and gave you all, you all, all the options. It made everything super realistic. It did all the stuff. And now there's fucking sliders for your cheeks and the fucking jowls and your eyes.

How far back your eyes go like that lady in Kentucky. The problem is there's just too many options. There are too many options. We're just going to drop that in there. I can't remember if we ever told that story. I'm not going to tell the story. Don't worry. Anyways, there's too many options.

So now you can't make things that look. It's never, there's no suspension of disbelief. Yeah. There's never like. Because it's too close, but it's not. not close enough. What's it called, Kevin? There's a word for this week. Uncanny Valley. Uncanny Valley. I was going to say

Sanky Valley. Kind of like that. No, that's the problem. I mean, that's, and that's the whole thing of like last night, I'm restarting Bloodbourne, right? Because I had started it right before I left, played like 15 minutes. Like, oh, I want to play more when I get back. And while I'd been gone, I'd seen all the things like, you can make the Joker and Bloodborn. I'm like, fuck, yeah, I want to make the Joker and play the Joker. You can make Galvatron, too. I know, Galvatron. I don't, Galvatron's the same way. I'm never going to get Galvatron spot on. So I'm just going to let him ride it out.

on it. Here's a hint. Just put every slider to max. I go in and I start watching an 11 minute video on how to make the Joker. And of course, rather than just share the fucking numbers at the end of this, it's him tweaking it on the fly, then finding it and then Xing out. So I did it for like five minutes of my time,

which is like 30 seconds of the game time where I'm watching and pausing and trying to get... And I was like, fuck this. Like, it's just too much. It's too much. I don't want to make it good enough. You gave him green hair and called it a day. Then I turned on Borderlands and played Borderlands. No, I need to redo it. I'm just going to make somebody else.

I tried making Taylor Swift my first time around. That didn't look right either. I always want to create a masterpiece, but literally five minutes in, I'm just tired of it. Like, this is a way, this is a chore, it's a job. Yeah. It's cool that it's there, but I'm like, eh, just give me a new. You wait into it. You're like, I'm going to do this.

And then literally, like, 10 minutes later, you're like, I just want to play the fucking game. That's the biggest problem with modern games specifically where it's all about being immersed in the experience and creating your own character. It's like, you can't play a game without spending an hour creating a character before you even see the first cutscene. Like, it's, that's an issue because you want to be right, and you're stuck with this character for the next 20 hours. I went through phases.

Phase one was like, yes, I'm going to spend hours. I'm going to create my character. Phase two was around like Mass Effect. I was like, oh, I don't really want to, but I should. I feel kind of obligated. Like, I have to create someone cool looking. And then now it's like bloodbored per se. It's just, I'm done with it.

I'm like, nope. Don't have the time. This is what happened with this year's WWE game, where I got it, started playing it at 9, and I wasn't playing the game until 1015. Because I was trying to understand how to upload Colin's face. And then once I got the face uploaded, stretch it the right way. But then there's white space. And like eventually you just give up.

And Colin looked like it was a dude who had pasted Colin's face on his face. And it was like good enough. And that was part of the joke for a while. But it's just, you know, like. I mean, that's so funny that they haven't got that right yet. Because they keep trying with that facial recognition bullshit. Like, so I brought up Tony Hawk two earlier. That was the first game I really really remember having like a deep creative skater like thing.

And that game went fucking overboard where it's like, Create a part, created this, create it. Like, Tony Hawk was, it went a little far eventually with all the creative

things. It's like, I don't want to make my own game. Give me a goddamn game. Yeah. Um, but Tony Hawk, Thug, Thug was,

so Tony, the fifth Tony Hawk game was the first one to have, like, take a digital picture, email it to this thing. It'll put the face on your character and all this shit.

It was just like, it never looked, right? Right. It always looked so weird. And it's like, now we have Connect. Now we have the PlayStation I.

Camera. PlayStation camera. PlayStation camera. I. PlayStation, no, it's not the eye anymore. It's not, um, the eye. They keep calling it the eye.

They're like, it's not the eye anymore. But, uh, yeah, so, Twitch camera. It has that shit and it,

we still can't nail it. That's weird to me. Like you see NBA, what was it, NBA 2K? No, no, so MEA 2K,

if it's done right, it looks spot on and amazing. But man, Brian Altano and I tried that for two hours. It just didn't work at all. But also my first interaction with doing the whole, like,

facial recognition with, like, a camera was the game. was to get an achievement in Rainbow 6 Vegas. I remember I had this too. Yeah. It turned out horribly. But that was the thing too is like the sweet on that was so simple that everyone looked goofy and stupid.

It's like I remember my face like this and it was like that on purpose and I didn't take my glasses off. And so it's all stretched but it was like that's like what that was supposed to be. And you're like, fine, cool. Nobody was like, I'm going to look fucking perfect. Yeah. And then of course we all remember perfect dark. Oh yeah. Supposed to have it.

Then a much idiots shoot up a high school. We lose privileges. Yeah. God damn, it's stupid idiots. You're a baby. You don't remember. I played perfect target zero.

Not the good version. You did not play the wrong one. Yeah. Those are problems. But yeah, we had the sweet spot there. And in 64 era, I think, when you could create something with a limited tool set.

And you always dreamed big of like, man, I can't wait for next generation when I can maybe put my own tracks in as entrance music or I can do this or I can do that. But then when you got it, it was too much and it was never right. Yeah. I don't know.

See, the PS2 era, I don't think, was that bad. I think it's a PS3 era. that was like really just was like, okay, there's just too many options. Because that's like the PS2 era, at least most of the games I played, it did have way too many sliders,

but most, some of them were just like bullshit. Like, whenever you could fuck with the skin tone, it's just like, there'd be like five skin tone options and then just a million other colors that aren't skin tone.

It's like, why? Why is that even a thing? That's weird. And then they're future proofing for a family that ever came. Yeah. Then we can just make sure that we were like really clearly correct for you.

We got, we had some problems as a species with racism before, we're getting out in front of it this time. We're totally good. We've accepted you from day one. I think another thing now is the avatars. That was real big and started kind of last generation

with the Wii. PS3 and 360 all had. Yeah, so like MES and then what the fuck? PS3 didn't have it, but 360 had it. Oh yeah, your home character. No one, that doesn't really, no one is just Avatar. Are they just called avatars on Xbox 360? Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like those were weird because it's like, you could do good enough. and like that was perfect exactly that's the point everyone loved me's because it was so simple and it was like you didn't get into oh the fucking sliders of how big your jaw

it's like how big are the eyes but it was a part of it exactly and they were like caricatures they were cartoons yeah I enjoyed those they should everybody yeah because they were great easy to get into

he needs to be a part of making a wrestler no my first wall was Skyrim I think on the 360 that's when I was like nope I'm not doing this anymore yeah but the what Skyrim? the character creator

Oh, and you had to do it? Yeah. It's too much. There's a lot of times when you get to create a character in games, like specifically modern ones, I'm just like, I'm not going to do. This is what the character's supposed to look like.

We're running with that. Right. And I just go for it. What's your process, Colin? To me, like, I feel like it's more of a narrative thing. Like, I was always confused why there was a character creator in a game like Mass Effect.

It always bothered me that Mass Effect had a character creator because it's supposed to be about Commander Shepard. This is supposed to be a person. So it's different. Like, the game doesn't, like, it asks you your first name. name, I think, but you're a shepherd, you know? And the story changes based on your choices,

but you're not really playing your own character because other people are playing the game the same way anyway. So, like, Mass Effect to me was like bizarre, where everyone was like making their own shepherds and I'm like, I was using Shaved Ted Shepard. I'm like, this is commander shepherd. It doesn't matter like what your character looks like, this is what everyone thinks about when they think of Commander Shepard. He is the character. And, uh, but at the same time, it makes sense in a game like Bloodborm because it's like, who is your name and who's your character and all that kind of stuff. The thing that's weird about it is that you never, like, people put all this time into it, but you never see your character. And a third

person game, your back's already turned. You have to actually manipulate the camera to see your character unless there are cutscenes and there really are not cutscenes in Bloodborn. So it's like, you know, in a game like that, it makes sense, but it's also weird why you put any time into it at all. Well, you could just do no work and it's the same experience. So to me, yeah, it's basically just like if a character

is a character with a name, a predetermined name and at least a story, even if you're going to make choices like in Mass Effect, there shouldn't be a character created at all. That's weird. And a game like Fallout and Skyrim it makes sense because you're playing whoever, the Wasteland or, you know, whoever the fuck you're going to play as. Dragon Moore. But in the first person game, you see yourself even less.

Yeah, but I'm not talking about any first person games. You can be third person. Those are all third person games. That's how I played Skyrim and how I played Fallout. Make part of it, pull back. Make Tyler Swift, pull back. Yeah, I mean, like, I played I played Fallout first person. You can't play this third person. I think I played Skyrim third person

because it's so much more melee centric. It seems more natural, but I don't really remember. I stopped playing it after about 10 hours because it didn't work. Yeah, so that's kind of of where I stand on it. I like it. I like, but my instinct is always to use the core main character because you're not going to make a character much better looking than that. Unless you're Nate. Because you can everybody, you can make it innate look like. Nate just is in everything. Yeah. Blonde white guy with blue eyes. Or you can, or, you know, like, or I like to make just

totally fucking ridiculous characters. I would do with Galvatron because that's like, that is my instinct. It's like, if you're going to give me these tools, I am not going to spend time making good looking characters because, you know, Galvatron made the rounds on a lot of different websites of like examples of what people have been doing with the character creator, but some people have been making amazing looking characters that are like awesome looking and I don't really see the point in that. I mean, if that's what makes you happy, that's cool, but you're not going to really be able to enjoy it. So you might as well just jack your character up and fucking have some fun with it. Yeah. So that's basically it. Character creation is a, you know,

I like playing its characters already exist. That's why I'm playing video games. I'm not trying to be me. That makes sense. Con, what did you have for lunch? Um, I don't know. Why? I got some orange stuff on your room. I was wondering if it's food, sunscreen. Oh, no, this is, oh, no, this is. This happened to me yesterday. I have Peter Bar Sandwiches. This is from, I bought Cheryl Flowers last week, and I keep brushing up against

them in our room. And so yesterday I actually had, I had it on my arm over here, and now I have it over here. Okay. That hurts maybe blood. Born. From, you know, Portillo. Like that. From Pretillo?

What? You're just like clocking them with the upper part of your arm. Your bicep, I believe. The trainer's scarlet. You're just making those things up Greg. All right. Second topic. We talked about this a week ago, I want to say, on a Colin and Greg live. About a week ago. Sorry. Yeah, that's exact. Um, YouTube is preparing to relaunch its live streaming platform with a renewed focus on live gaming and esports specifically, according to sources within the streaming industry. This is from the Daily Dot. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. The Google-owned online video behemoth, which tried and failed to acquire streaming giant Twitch last year, has watched the growth of e-sports with great interest and is looking to acquire broadcast content and talent within the industry.

Blah, blah, blah. They keep talking about how important all this stuff is to them and all that shit. What's interesting is YouTube has already begun recruiting of a formidable team with one source paging the number at 50 engineers with expertise in the streaming industry. And that's a pretty big statement of intent, one source said. Blah, blah, blah. They're going to talk way more about this at E3, June 16th to 18th. I'm...

I'm... My phone net. That was bizarre Sorry My ringtone is of course Super player I don't know why I've never gotten a phone call

I guess with the sound turn It's not even my phone I don't know why it's my pocket Sorry I stole this from my child today All right so YouTube It's gonna it's gonna have a Twitch competitor and they're gonna announce it

Or talk about it E3 They had YouTube live for all these years About four years ago I think they launched it And like they'd always do like Big music festivals and all that stuff I think the first thing they ever did was some random sport that Americans don't play.

Cockin. Cricket or some shit like that, right? Yeah. They showed cricket, and then people were like, they heard crickets. And then... Oh. Then gaming starts,

so they started doing more live stuff. At IGN, we used to use it all the time. It's... Google Plus came out. There's Google Hangouts, and people use Google Hangouts in the live. Google has always had a... They've done live.

They do it pretty well. But then Twitch came and was like, yo, we're way better than you at this. I'm really excited. for it because I feel like they could push each other I mean competition right they're going to push each other to do better if you look at the streaming industry right now Twitch is like the king and if you look at anywhere else like I don't know a hitbox I think it's called or even MLG TV would be the best example everything is a copy of Twitch and what they do so I think that they could do things that could be very interesting and yeah someone needs to push Twitch yeah that's what we've talked about the fact the messaging is terrible The actual messaging system is terrible. The fact that there's not on-demand archives forever that play and don't buffer forever is terrible.

The fact that you embed the player and it's like four by three in little and small. It's like what is going? I thought when they got all the Amazon money, they would quickly start flipping switches and making it a better experience, but then like two weeks ago it was down for all over the business. Oh my goodness.

To me it's funny because Amazon made sense. There is a sort of parallel nature between Amazon and Twitch in the sense that Amazon has a very viable streaming service that I think rivals and is even better than Netflix in some ways so you would think that it would work better but they're not in the same wheelhouse and it almost makes you wish that YouTube actually was the one that bought Twitch and they tried

but you know that would have made more sense and fit more like a puzzle piece into what they were doing that said I'm interested to see like what it's all about I like Twitch I'm not like crazy impressed by it I think that it is seems a little I don't want to say antiquated but it just seems a little it's not antiquated that's not the right word at all, but it's, it's lacking.

You know what I mean? Like, it's not consistent. YouTube's consistent. In my experience, using it. Maybe not on the back end, it's certainly not consistent. But on the front end, it is very consistent. And so it makes you wonder, like, what they can do. And certainly my mind's open to what possibilities are there for us as a unit and for Colin Gregg Live and everything, too.

Just in the sense that I want to go, you know, the competition, like Alfredo was saying, will breed excellence or breed something that is better than exists already. but I don't know they are you assume an engineer an average engineer and Silicon Valley makes about I don't know 150

and they have 50 of those guys that they just hired and gals so I mean they're putting an impressive amount of capital into it but that's like you know Google wipes its ass with that much money

but it's you know but they are putting time and effort into figuring it out my question to you guys because you know this better than I do is wasn't there a platform called Ustream? Yeah it's still a thing

and that doesn't they don't know There's a whole bunch of different, like, streaming platforms, but it's the same thing, like, YouTube. Like, Daily Motion's still a thing. AOL video's still a thing. Like, they just don't matter. Like, they exist, and enough people use them for them to sustain themselves,

but it's like they're not YouTube. Yeah, like, who's using Ustream as, like, a... Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan uses you. I think we were just talking about this yesterday with Nick, but, yeah, like, he exclusively uses Ustream as his, like, streaming platform. He must get money for that.

Yeah, but, I mean, it's why do people use, like, all these other ones? There's deals, you know? And there's, like, some people sign contracts, and they're stuck using exclusive platforms and all that. There's a lot of pro-call duty players that got exclusive deals with MLG TV when they started really pushing their own platform. And so that's why they all flocked over there. Are they seeing growth on these platforms via these?

You know, like is U-Stream growing too? Is MLG growing too? I mean, I'm sure, I don't know with MLG, but like with the U-stream, with Joe Rogan specifically, I'm sure it's just that's what his audience uses. So it's kind of like with our audience and Twitch where, I mean, I don't have the hard numbers, but I'm pretty sure most of our audience

we brought to Twitch, not they were at Twitch and kind of like... Oh no, we brought that up on the show, I think. And people did confirm that anecdotally. Yeah, so it's like, I think it's the same thing where it's just like Joe Rogan said go on Ustream, so his audience won on Ustream. What I'm interested about is, like, I love the competition angle of this

because it's going to push things to be better because Twitch needs to be pushed farther and YouTube needs to be pushed farther because YouTube is owning the on-demand video. Yeah. shit. Twitch is owning the live video shit. So they both need to get better in the other ways. It worries me that instead of focusing at what they're good at, they're going to start trying the other stuff and just messing it up. I saw there's an update to Twitch today. Like the mobile apps

have like the auto playing videos just like the YouTube does. And that's great. But it's like, the more they focus on all this other stuff that YouTube already does well, instead of like focusing, pushing what they're doing to make it even better, it's just going to be, then we're just going to have two things. And that sucks in a lot of. ways. But I mean, will they? I mean, if YouTube gets it together and comes out with a streaming platform that doesn't, like, right, when we had to go use YouTube, right, the comments where it's buffering

it's doing this YouTube thing, da-da. If they can sort out those problems, then, I mean, would we stick around with Twitch? It would solve so many problems for us. That's my thought, too, is I actually think that YouTube has every opportunity to squash Twitch. And I don't think that it's going to, I don't think it's impossible the other way. Like, Twitch might, which might master, like, I actually

think that YouTube could destroy Twitch. And I don't think that Twitch could destroy YouTube. What I'm saying is like, I don't want Twitch to be focusing so much on trying to be YouTube. Like YouTube, yeah, they have the money and all the different things to do that. And like, it's shocking how bad, quote, unquote, their live experiences.

It's really not that bad. We're just fucking spoiled. Yeah. Like, we're at a point now where it's like, things aren't perfect and we don't have all these weird features. I'm pariscoping from my phone. Yeah, like we're super mad about stuff, but it's like their service is pretty damn good.

Yeah. But then there's things that Twitch has that need to be on YouTube, like moderators. But then again, it's like, why don't YouTube videos in general have moderators? That's something that needs to happen. There's all these dumb little things that they can add or learn from Twitch. Like the multi-twitch, what's that called? Oh, yeah, multi- Twitch streaming is amazing.

It's awesome. When you get to watch two people streaming at once, like see both their chat rooms and all that stuff. Like, that's great, and YouTube needs all that shit. And we'll see. I mean, we've talked to people, like, they are trying to push gaming and trying to do all that stuff. I think to me the biggest news from this is the fact that they're talking about at D-3. Yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't heard this from her being gone or whatever.

Did they say where? That's what we were talking about when we first talked about it. I was like, I wonder if they will do it during one of the conferences. Yeah, you feel they have to. Maybe, like, it doesn't make any business sense, as Tim had brought up for them to do that. It makes great business sense for someone like Sony or Microsoft to give YouTube space, especially if they've worked out an exclusive deal with them, which one of them, which is entirely possible because that's going to help them with the hardcore game.

Yeah. But as we were talking about, bless you. We hope that doesn't happen. That's enough. Damn. We hope that doesn't happen because if it's like Twitch was when it first came out and it was only on Xbox, right? And PS4 got it later. No, PS4 still doesn't have a Twitch app.

Okay. Well, exactly. That's a freaking issue. You know, completely. And I really would not want to see YouTube come out with PlayStation be like, yeah, Xbox, you'll get it one day. It's like, no, this needs to be a big thing for gamers, all gamers, all the people that are into streaming, all the people that are into watching videos. Like, this needs to be a huge movement. And that will be a big step towards not killing Twitch,

but at least getting a bigger piece of that market share that they need. And the trust of the people, like, really comes down to the people streaming. Like, what's going to convince Alfredo to leave Twitch? Well, see, that's the thing, though, that I worry about is, well, they start implementing contract restrictions, right? And I think it's already in the Twitch contract. I don't know. I just remember when Twitch was down during those weeks,

there was a lot of Twitch partners with, with larger channels that are saying, hey, guys, be careful if you're a partner and you decide to stream on a different platform. It's like against the terms of service, I think. Yeah, like, to me, when I think about this situation, I think about YouTube and I think about Twitch's platforms, because we're talking about the difference between and the inherent difference between a streaming service and then a VOD service, right? And I think that, in fact, you know, YouTube is mastered VOD.

Twitch is not mastered streaming. So that gives them, like, that gives them YouTube pioneered what we think. about when we think about video on demand on the internet. And that, frankly, is a way more important pillar to have mastered. So, like, the hard work for them is actually done. Like, the supplemental part of, like, having a streaming service that works better is kind of like icing on the cake of YouTube already dominating that space, which is why I think that Twitch should be very afraid of YouTube because, and certainly, like I said, my mind's open to see, like, what we will do with YouTube when they start rolling this stuff out because YouTube is a more prolific platform. There are way more

people over there. It makes a lot more sense inherently to be there. Twitch has to master VOD, which is good, but that is the more important piece of the puzzle. I mean, we see that with Colin and Greg Live, where it's like, if you're not there for the stream, they're kind of fucked. You know, especially if you're if you're not a Twitcher that, or a Twitch user rather that, like pays to have more than a 14-day catalog, a back catalog. There's a lot of problems for them to solve. I think YouTube's going for the killing blow. I got to be totally honest with you. Like, I don't think that like this is kind of like a piecemeal kind of thing. I think they're going to try to kill them, you know? And I think that, um,

Um, that's what a business does. YouTube has done it to countless companies already. Um, you know, like look at, like, look at our low tolerance for something like Vimeo. When we were trying to use Vimeo for like video on demand for Patreon users, we just like, fuck this shit. Like this shit sucks. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't working for us or whatever.

YouTube works. And so we use it. If they can get to that point with streaming, then Twitch is in a lot of trouble. And I, and I, and I think that, um, moreover, I, I'm interested to see, like, how they approach the, the, the, the, sports kind of, you know, goal in terms. of the games that people watch, which is not only Call of Duty and stuff like that, not only evil, but more like Mobas and stuff like that, are there

people that are just loyal to Twitch? I mean, yeah. And that's the thing you have to kind of think about it. I think it's that, but it's also just the stuff that, like, I don't think YouTube will ever do, and like, I would love to be proven wrong on this, but, like, yes, they're going to try to go for the killing below, and honestly, I mean, they can't. They're definitely capable of doing that, but

they do have Amazon money on Twitch's side, so it's like they could fight back. Like, they were one of the few people now that actually can fight back. But I think that Twitch has such unique things, just the emoticons, like such a culture of it. emoticons and tipping and like all these different things.

YouTube just has to copy that and then improve on it. But that's the thing. They'll know they're a copy. Like, they'll know they're a copy, but I just don't see them doing that stuff. And at the end of the day, guess what? You have to use your Google Plus to leave comments on YouTube. You'll get to have to use your Google Plus to whatever.

It's because Google has this ecosystem already and like they're already doing it on YouTube. and it's already annoying just for commenting. Like imagine having to do all that stuff for the features we like on Twitch. The thing that's interesting for Colin and I think is that we're speaking from a very specific case. In our fact, in the frustration of people, I'm on Android so I can't stream it. I'm not at a computer so I can't look at your on to me. It's like all these different things for us with our show, right?

For your huge Twitch streamers that have an audience and have subs and have all this, they probably don't look at it as enticingly as we do. Whereas for us, it's simple. if the YouTube app is going to let you stream it everywhere and be everywhere and it's done and it ends and it goes right to on demand and it's silky smooth, that's big for us in the content we produce. I mean, I do think it should be worrisome for Twitch in terms of what's going to happen from it. I'd be very worried. But I don't think it's necessarily as bad as we think it is. It's just maybe for us.

No, but I think they should be very worried. Because it goes both ways, like, because we talk about, you know, YouTube is obviously owned by Google. They weren't always, but Amazon is one of those companies that can match them. dollar for a lot of their investments. But just having that kind of blow by blow means that it's the company already with the advantages inherently that it's going to win. And YouTube has a lot of the advantages already. So that's the only point I'm trying to make.

No, no, I hear you. No, I agree. Is that, like, YouTube is already winning. Even though they're losing in the streaming thing, like, they're probably going to be fine. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're going to be fine no matter what. Because it's like, I mean, really, no matter what way you look at it, they're winning already.

Like, even right now, they're winning. It's just, like, in the hardcore gamers mind and stuff, like, Twitch is where they go to whatever. And that's the thing is I don't think you're going to see those people go away. The Twitch audience is such a different beast. Our audience is YouTube, Twitter, whatever. We brought them with us. But the Twitch audience that's already there and is already so used to sponsors and doing this and emoticons and private chat and this.

And they're not going to worry. They're not going to miss a beat. On the other side of it's like, I'm one of the biggest YouTube fanboys in the damn world. But it's like, to me, it's like, I almost want Twitch to come out on top of this just so that it's not entirely controlled by Google and YouTube. just because I like the idea that they're not only just the competition, but just the fact that not all of the revenue coming in and not all of the audience. Like, yes, you want your entire audience in one place. That's great.

But it's also nice to have different audiences in different places for different projects. And we have that. Yeah, we do. And we'll lose that. We may, I mean, like, this is my approach to this. I want YouTube and Twitch to both talk to us. And I'm not meaning literally like citizen room and talk to us. But both of them need to talk to us.

talk to us as a company and make their pitches. And we go where, you know, where it makes the most sense. Or both. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the other thing, too, is that my assumption is that we will eventually be doing both. Yeah. The, um, and I think that makes sense for a lot of different reasons, certainly for business

reasons. The bigger thing is, you know, like we were saying before, um, just how they associate themselves with publishers and, and developers and, and organizations that stream games, like the whole e-sports thing. Like, I don't understand e-sports really. I don't understand why it's even called these sports. But like this is a electronic sport. I know, but it's not a sport.

Like playing mobile or call it's not a sport, right? But like this is a big thing that- Shots fire. This is a big, it's not, it's not a sport. I play chess, it's not a sport. Shots fired or fax fires? Oh! Like it's, but like, you know, like playing football as a sport, I mean, just by definition.

Like these are competitive video games, which doesn't detract them, you know? So a team-based activity. Anyway, e-team-based activity. I like that. Like, whatever you want to call it, whatever it is. It doesn't mean it's not. fun or good or that people aren't good at. I just understand why it's called e-sports.

That's an entirely different thing, and I've wondered that for years. But, yeah, like, there's these big groups of people that they have to just figure out how to crack or whatever. I mean, obviously, like, we pulled good numbers on Colin and Greg, but it's, like, nothing like, you know, when I tune in to watch League of Legends or something like that, just to see what the... I don't even know what the fuck's going on in League Legends, but, like, the... I just like to see the numbers. I'm like, holy Christ, there's, like, 250,000 people watching this. I mean, that's more people watching that at that moment than is watching, like, a syndicated daytime

TV show, like Mori Povich or something. That's incredible. You know what I mean? So the scales there and the money can be made on Twitch for sure. But I just, this has all the signs of YouTube like planning something huge. And they're being very clear about it. I mean, they're not trying to hide anything. Yeah.

But always them, I would actually try to hide it. I mean, the thing that's interesting to me is they've already launched it. And like it sucks because it's like I want Google to just be fucking perfect. Because in so many ways, they've done so much things right. Email? Fuck yeah. Gmail's awesome. Yeah, Gmail is.

YouTube overall is fucking. awesome. Then there's a couple things like Google Plus where it's like, what are you thinking? Like, what the fuck are you thinking? Even Google has to fail sometimes, which is nice to see that. But it's weird though. It's weird that like, I feel like... They just feel like they have to be there. There's been a ton of different things in the, not recently, but like in the past like 10 years that's just like, oh man, why wasn't that as cool as it should have been?

You know, I mean, drive's awesome. But it still has its issues. Yeah, to me it's that they just try to do... Google has very few new ideas. They just have money to go in and, and buy other people's products and refine them. You know, like YouTube was started on its own. They bought YouTube and made it better. Gmail is not the original email client.

It's just a superior email client. You know, like Google Plus was supposed to be Facebook. Like so like it's not like they're not coming up with new ideas. You know, Google Maps is awesome, but it was not the first digital map program. You know, so it's like they don't come up really with a ton of new ideas. They come up with ways to improve upon them. It reminds you, what was that BASF? Remember those old commercials for BASF?

They're like this really weird, huge company that doesn't make anything. They just make the products better. And their commercials need to be like, we don't make the vacuum you use. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't make the concrete you build with. Stronger. We make it, you know, like, we make it more, you know, viable, whatever like that. And that's like, that reminds me of Google where, like, they don't, they're inventive and they're ingenious.

But their genius is actually in finding things that they're bad at that other people are good at and then copying those things or doing their own version of it. And it's not always going to work. And I like that it doesn't always work. Google Plus is a disaster. I mean like the reason that its numbers are so high like Greg has like two million people on or whatever is because it's like totally fucking ridiculous like it's because people are on Facebook

that's their that is that and people are on Twitter so they're not going to try to copy Twitter you know what I mean maybe they'll try to buy them one day and you know although I guess Twitter's public sounds like something really going to happen and you know they came up with like a Gmail client that works or so they're going to have their wins and their losses but they they you know

I guess what I'm saying is I have every confidence that what they're going to do with YouTube is going to make it way better and they're going to learn and they're going to learn a great deal from what they didn't do already. And they tried to buy Twitch. So it's not like they knew what they wanted. And since they couldn't have it, they're just going to make it. Yeah, no, for sure.

And I mean, I agree with you completely. I do think that it's going to be awesome. It's just like, it scares me that they've already had a live product and they've had a live product forever. And it wasn't perfect. Like, it wasn't, and this is when Twitch was existing. It's not like Twitch just came up out of nowhere. Like, Twitch has been around a couple years now.

So it's interesting they haven't already adopted those changes. But at the same time. I'm like there's no reference to YouTube live anymore on the front page. Like that used to be like a big featured thing. And like I can't remember the last time I saw it unless it was like an actual live event going on at that. Sure. They're probably going dark. Which makes.

Yeah. So it's that's really interesting. And earlier you were saying Greg that they got all this Amazon money so like things aren't being fixed. I think it's just too early. Like it takes time to spend money and like it takes time to like make that stuff happening. I mean like I think about VidCon and I think about how YouTube communicates everything. Right. And like I would just something like they're just radio silent on the issues.

have with their site and their apps and everything else. And it gives you the, I mean, that's, that's the biggest threat is that YouTube's going to have this press conference or whatever they're going to do. And they're going to say, look at this, it's all this, it does this, and then Twitch, no matter what their next step is, is they are playing catch up. Yeah. Hey, we've, sorry, we've been working on our thing too. Android guys, you're going to get it soon.

On Demand's getting, and it's just by that point, it's like, why are you going to be here by the time they just said they're going to be here? Well, Twitch is very much about their communities. So what they do instead is just have small, like, they have like conferences. is that like packs and stuff. And then they have just everyone there come up and ask questions. Well, now they have TwitchCon. But the, yeah, now they have Twitchcock coming up.

But the issue there is that people just end up coming up to ask, like, tech issues, which they shouldn't be answering that. They should be just talking about, like, how they're going to improve the platform. Yeah. Which they did a couple conferences back. But now it's more just like, oh, I have problems with this. Why isn't this working? And then they answer that.

So, I don't know. It's just that we need a platform as a business that, and same with Alfredo, another, he struck out on his own is like are we live and die now by the way these things work yeah and my patience with twitch is actually diminishing pretty pretty rapidly so like i'm i'm just eager to see what happens to see if like i'm not going on i like twitch and i like they've been good to us we have a great community they're great people they're helpful to us i'm not trying to put down twitch no no not at all but like we need it to just work yeah you know and like that is it frankly shouldn't be that complicated but there's also a cost involved but come on there's a cost involved with that though and that's

I think my biggest worry with YouTube is YouTube is known for 50%. Like they'll just fucking take 50%. Like yeah, it works. Deal with it. Good point. You're gonna go somewhere else. And it's like Twitch because they're playing catch up, it's like, hey, we'll give you a little bit more. We'll work with you a little bit more.

We'll promote you a little bit more. Like it's all these things that like, it's just interesting. I don't know. But I'm very excited. Like I'm more excited for this E3 that I've been for E3 in a long time. Because of this YouTube thing. Wow. Yeah.

I mean, this is huge. This could be like, I mean, obviously I'm very invested because of what we do and stuff. But also just as a fan of content. Like this, I love this. This is a fucking, like, huge fuck you to Twitch, which is great because then Twitch is going to say, we got a bigger dick than you do, though. That's all I want. All I love what's happening with us on Twitch.

I love that they are the underdog. They're the renegades. You want to play music, fine. We'll get you in the back end, but we're not going to get you while you're live or anything great. Just fucking fix the on-demand, fix stability. Like, just that's all I want you to do. Just do that. And make, you know, recognize and admit.

and admit that you hear us. I mean, I don't feel like we're being heard in that one sense. You know what I mean? Like, where is the solution of that? What is the roadmap? That's all I want from them. If they say that before or right after, I'll be fine. It's a similar thing we talk about with, like, I am loyal to the people.

Like, you dance with the one who brought you, right? Yeah. Like, I have an inherent loyalty to the people that were there when we were, I don't want to say small or whatever, because we're small. So we're very small, like, fly-by-night outfit. But, like, before we did anything. Before we were, like, really anything at all, like, it was the people that were there that helped us, whether it's our representatives that help us on YouTube or whether it's YouTube itself or whether it's Twitch now. I am actually very loyal to the people that were there when we were more and more insignificant because I think they were there to help us.

And so I'm will like, it's funny because if there's like a, if there's a scale on YouTube and Twitch are on it and Twitch is just a little bit lower than YouTube, I'll actually still go with Twitch. You know what I mean? Because they were really there for us. But if it's like, if it's going to be like this, then you got to make the choice that's best for your business. And like frankly, it's it's dollars and cents to us right now because. we need like if we lose out on Colin and Greg one day because Twitch isn't up we're losing money I mean it's money we're eating it you know and so there is a business reality to it to it not only a loyalty you know kind of thing to it but well it's just the loyalty to the fans it's like when

the Twitch is out and it's like the show's not there we get 4,000 5,000 people waiting to watch the show and it's not there for and then we go and do it in YouTube and then every four minutes someone's asking the chat where are you guys seeing it yeah there's no way to put like that's how live works yeah yeah so and it's funny too I mean The other things we have to look at is like when we did do that one episode on YouTube, it did and is still doing extraordinarily well. And it's like, wow, like that that video on demand component is essential. So I think that that's the thing that they really, yeah, I agree with you.

I have to fix that. I'm most interested. I'm not interested in what they're even going to say. I'm interested in who they're going to say it with. I do not think they're going to do their own conference. Nintendo. There is a very, there is a very rigorous way to do things at YouTube. There's a people always wonder, like, why does Sony always go last on Sunday?

Because Sony always goes last on Sunday. There is a tradition. You know, like all the publishers go in order. And that order has been chosen a long time ago. I have no idea how the fuck it happened. It mostly probably has to do with the times and spaces in which they locked down for 10 years, whatever when they were done it to the Colise, and whatever the fuck they were doing it.

And where does YouTube fit in that? Who knows? But does it how to go the day before because they can't even fit into that schedule because it's just it's locked. So I don't, it would make sense for YouTube to do it on their own, but I think it would make sense for these other companies to entice them to do it with them. Even if YouTube is not, it reminds me of like Batman. right like a game like Batman is at

PS4's conference right last year sure but it's coming the same day to Xbox it just makes Sony look like they have a huge dick yeah and I think that if YouTube like does the same thing where they're like oh we're gonna go with Microsoft even though it's gonna come to Sony platforms and Nintendo or whatever it doesn't matter like it still makes Microsoft look like they're a power play I would love that man I really hope that is what happens

at the same time it would the wording on this is interesting because there's been many years that during E3 Apple's WWDC events happening at the exact same time but it's not at E3, it's like NSF. And the fact that they're saying they're at E3 is interesting. It's not during E3. It's at E3.

So I hope that they're at one of the conferences. I don't think they'll do their own thing. No, because first of all, I think that, I mean, people are going to be interested in that are going to go. But journalists and media already spread thin. Everyone already hates that Sunday anyway and that Monday, you know, for like just logistical reason. So adding another stop on the fucking tour of misery for all these people that have to go to all these different things is like not going to be very helpful. Another option is to take the Nintendo Direct route and just put a YouTube video up. Yeah.

You know, during E3. They should do a Twitch livestream. Yeah. Yeah. That would be good. You see how it's not working right? All right. Moving on.

Topic number three, Kevin. Guilty pleasure games. Do you guys have any games that you just feel nasty playing? Nasty. Nasty. Matrix reloaded? Oh, man. Really?

You're going back. Wait, no, no, enter the Matrix. Enter the Matrix, yes. The one that was totally like rushed. It was empty. It was rushed, garbage, everything. But I had so much fun going into like slow-mo bullet time and like shooting people up and say that. And I put away to me, I bring us up all the time, but I put way too many hours into perfect dark zero.

You wanted that game to be good. I did. So bad. And I played like 60 hours of that MP. It was terrible. He put so much time into it. He bought the books. He read all the books.

He was like, dude, the story's good. I swear the story's good. It's like, I don't think the story's good. Alfredo, you were lying. It was just, yeah. But, yeah, I remember you played that a lot more than I should have played it. Something tells me, Colin, that you have a list. I have a ton of guilty pleasure games.

Just because I don't, I talk of a fucking mean game about more casual games, more touch-centric games. But when they come to a platform, I actually want to play, then I'll start playing them. So, like, the Vita is a good example of, like, games that, like, like, Menjure Mayhem, or Nunn Attack or something like that where it's like these are like very iOS games that like Nunn Attack, please explain. Nunn Attack is a game where you play as nuns and they're all like holding like machine guns

and so like that, like they bring guns and you're like just using the touchscreen to like direct them to fight enemies. They're surprisingly engaging game, but what's so funny and it shows my own hypocrisy in a way is that their iOS games that were ported to a platform that I actually want to play so I play them and so. Once you get trophies, you're fine.

Yeah, and it's just, I don't know. I just, I don't want to play phone games. Like, but. if they come down the platform. So men's room men's room mayhem. Yeah, I love that.

Explain. Men's room mayhem was a game that was made by a few dudes that used to work at Sony Liverpool, I think, right? And Sony Liverpool closed.

Those were the guys that did like wipe out and colony wars and stuff. And it's a game where you are in a bathroom in a bar or in a restaurant. There's like eight different levels or whatever. And you have to just direct people coming in and out so they can pee and shit and wash their hands

without like colliding with each other and not spending twice. So it's like diner dash. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly right. There's a hook to, there's an undeniable hook to more casual games, right? Like, one of my favorite games of the last generation is Plants versus Zombies.

And I wouldn't consider that, I wouldn't consider that rather a guilty pleasure, but that is a casual game that introduced a lot of people to what we know as tower defense. But they never had played a game like that before. So there's a lot of games like that, especially on Vita that I download for two or three dollars or $5 and go crazy with it. But my ultimate guilty pleasure game is naughty bear for sure. Because I authentically love that fucking game. And that's like not a joke. You know, like I love that game, but it runs it like a solid five or six frames a second. It's solid, though.

It is a solid, yeah. The frames you're seeing are definitely solid frames. But I'm trying, like, I have more guilty pleasure, like music and stuff than anything like that. But with games, games are so time-consuming. I've actually come around. We decided when we kind of signed the great trophy armistice in 2011 that we were going to stop playing shitty games for trophy. Because we were like out of each other's throats with that. And I put Greg away a long time.

to be fair, but, um, but I stopped playing games that were shitty just for trophies. And, and a lot of those were guilty pleasure games. Yeah. Like when you got to hand them on Tadena, yeah. Yeah. For the record, that was not part of the Armitus. It was like we wouldn't cheat.

We want to do this kind of stuff. But we stopped. You, you agreed to stop playing stuff. I remember for one night, when I was still trying to be a part of this, when I was still PlayStation team head, I was still playing shitty games I wanted to. Because that was always your, that was always your crutch for why I was beating you. That's why you did it. You just did it to have the higher hill.

And then once I left the PlayStation team, you took overtook me as it should be. Yeah, I'm way, I'm way ahead of you now. Yeah. I'm going to be, Alfredo, you got pretty down that game. Oh, in terms of achievements? Yeah. Yeah, it got to the point where I started a game fly subscription and then I started renting games purely for achievements. Oh, sure.

And I was achievement horring. Penguins in Madagascar. Yeah, got to like 50K. But it was just. I don't know. I just got to the point where I was like, why? Yeah. Oh, that happens to everybody.

Why am I doing this? Why am I spending 30 hours in a flight simulator game that I don't care about just to get a thousand gamer score? There was a game. I remember there was one specific game that I came over to your house and you were playing. I was just like, what are you doing right now? I don't remember what it was. King Kong? There was a lot.

Yeah, I played King Kong. That was one of the easiest ones I remember. Yeah, that was easy. Avatar, whatever the Airbender game was. Oh, yeah, the one that you just hit B for like, what was it? Seven minutes. It wasn't long. Yeah.

And you get like one, one king gamer score. That was simple. Yeah. I would literally just get it in, like play it for a super short amount of time and then send it right back out. Yeah. No, just, yeah. It was like, why am I doing it? Terminator Salvation.

I'm spending so much time. I think it was hard too. Yeah. That's ridiculous. I, when you're talking about the iOS games, I don't so much consider them guilty pleasures because like they are just games. But it's just like the fact that they're not hardcore and like whatever. And if you're with real gamers, they're going to judge you. But like Jetpack Joyride took way too much of my life away from me.

I do remember that phase you have. But the thing about that game is, have you guys played it? Oh, yeah. It just like, it's such a simple thing. It reminds me with the old flash games of the helicopter just going through. Sure. You hold the mouse up, like, click in, it goes through. But this had power-ups, this had vehicles.

This had this, like, upgrade system. And I was like, this is amazing game design. I never spent a penny on it. And it's like, that's what I lot. I kept coming back to it. But then you reached this point where you're like, why? Like, why am I putting more time? It's why do I need the Ultimate Dragon vehicle?

unlocked. It sounds fucking awesome. If I get that, it'll make it easier to unlock the next thing. It's like, oh, they got me. That's it, they got me. But Kingdom Rush was another one, where it's just like, spent way too much time with that. And now my newest addiction is Pagel in any form. Pagel's awesome.

My God. That's not even a guilty pleasure. Pegel's awesome. It is. But Pagel Blast is a guilty, sick fucking twisted desire. And this is the one you have to quit out of, right? Yeah. And I do. Oh, God. Great. I do. So you don't get hung up on the microtransactions.

Yeah. You quit. You can do this thing. Thanks to you guys for letting me know. Like during the boss fights, which you have to beat five levels in a row and it's designed. It's like an arcade game that like is designed to like eat quarters. This is designed to make you fucking pay for items and shit. I ain't doing that.

So it's like if you in between matches quit the game, it'll reset your lives. Huh. Oh, man. I do it. Speaking of Peggo and it's kind of off topic, but like on my Twitch channel, Twitch. Twitch.com. slash Alfredo plays.

We hit 400 subs, so I was like, all right, cool. For that mile, so we can do a 12-hour stream. Plus, I'm going to teach my grandma how to play game on stream. Peggle is one of the games I'm choosing. What is this happening? This is happening this coming Saturday. Okay, so if you're a Patreon subscriber, getting this on Thursday, Friday.

That's Saturday. Teach how to play Peggle. Amazing. And then other games. Alfredo's grandma, one of the best human beings in the entire world. Yeah, shit's about to get real. She's a god. Like,

Alfino's grandma. Oh my. Yeah. We need it. We need a. Gma, emo. Gma emo.

But Alfredo's grandma, like the closest person I can relate to her is Nick Scarpino. Just in the sense of like, she's so cool. And like, she's so funny and she's so much more ridiculous than like, than you think. Than you would think.

But then once you hang out with her for like five minutes, you're like, how does a person like this actually exist? Yeah. It's just, it's a good. It's a real good time. They should meet.

That would be. Bring it to the live show. Yeah, oh God, that's going to be an adventure. Live show, May 16th, San Francisco. One night only. Bitley slash Kind of Funny Live. Yeah, there you go. Try to think of other games.

I mean, definitely know during the PS2 era, there was a lot of bad ones. DDR, I had a really bad, I mean, I love DDR and it's a good game. So here's what you need to explain it for the audience. You're starting to ski. What is your definition of a guilty pleasure? Because, I mean, D.R doesn't seem like guilty pleasure. Yeah. What is it?

That doesn't seem like a guilty pleasure. Here's the thing. I'm embarrassed by it, so I think it's a guilty pleasure. Yeah, guilty pleasure is kind of subjective. Yeah, like, I don't think guilty pleasure needs to be like... For me, I was going to say, I don't have any guilty pleasure, because I'm, but I mean, like, if we're going to, like, we're talking about, like, oh, the games I've played for trophies or games I've played for longer than, like, my 86 hours of Mario Golf World 2 or my 600 hours of DC Universe online, those are still achievements for me.

I'm still very proud of all those numbers, but if that... You can be proud of your guilty pleasure, though. You ain't no nerd? Ain't you no nerd? But yeah, I put way too much time in the DDR, like in all of its incarnations, including without the dance pad, like I just like hitting the buttons.

I just like rhythm games, though. So it's like, that might be that, but it's like I played like all the DDR games from like the PS1 generation, all the, I didn't play any of the PS3. So it was just PS1, PS2 era. But that included like DDR Mario mix on GameCube. I was all about that shit.

That was fun. But like, yeah, buying that, I felt weird, definitely felt weird. When you feel weird by any game. I felt weird buying Space Channel 5 on the Dreamcast. See, I think it's this music, music games. Because karaoke revolution, volumes one and two,

big fan of that game. But it's like, I shouldn't have been. So like I should, guilty pleasure for me is Singstar? I should be, is that one? Because I have all the videos of me and a Ghostbuster outfit and answer. The subjectiveness of it is that if you're not embarrassed, if like Tim felt like he should have been embarrassed. Well, that's the thing.

I wasn't, though. I should have been, but I wasn't. I think that's for me, the guilty pleasure thing. It's just like, I don't give a fuck. Like, I'm in do me. It's what I do. Do you? I'm going to be me doing me.

Exactly. It's a good person to be. Who's going to do me? I'll do you. There's a lot of people. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, Guilty Pleasure.

I haven't ever really thought about it, but what exactly it means. But I feel like everyone does have a sense of the things that come in their head when they hear it. So that's what they are. It's like how I'll argue that Superman Shadow Apocalypse on PS2 is a pretty good Superman game. Yeah. Okay. Well, there's also something called just a wrong.

No. It's not. wrong. I'm trying to think of other ones. I'm trying to think of like, they're all music games that are coming in mind, but Spice World on, there's a PS1.

Yeah, on PS1. I had a lot of fun with that. You can remix songs. Yeah. Oh, so like, Disney's, Britney's dance beat. That was my next one.

Yeah. Yeah, on a PS2. Yeah. Where you like twirled the analog sticks. That was during my summer where a Blockbuster debuted the rent all you want. Yeah. I went down the aisle getting every game.

Like alphabetically, I was going to take home every game that summer. That's so funny. I also got it for that same blockbuster deal, but I was not going down. I just went straight for Brittany. Oh, nice. Yeah. So that was fun. As it should be.

You always go straight for Brittany. Always. Yeah. All the time. What if Christina Aguilier is there? She's rolling around in the sand. I'm about it. Yeah.

That Maxim cover? You know what I'm talking about? I think she's just talking about Gene in a bottle. In the sand or Britney in schoolgirl? Done. I mean, that's not even a fucking question. This is the definitive argument. I mean, I love them both.

I think Brittany came a little earlier, and so I think that, you know, that imagery just really resonated with ninth grade pollen in a way. Yeah. It made you come earlier too. Yeah, exactly. It happens. All right, let's move on.

All right, we're going into the fourth topic. Ladies and gentlemen. Fourth quarter. If you have topics for the kind of funny games cast, tweet them at me at Tim Geddes. Or every week, I'll just ask. you know you'll tell us stuff and it's going to be good time just like at brian underscore nov asked why does nintendo hate metro it's a good question i i think that people often lose sight of

something that is important when you're making a game so what we talk about with zelda too although zelda is not not a great example of this metroe doesn't sell that well and like that and that's the that's we lose sight of that as hardcore engaged gamers and nintendo fans i fucking love Metroid. But Metroid Prime wasn't like this blockbuster hit at all. So, and they made three of them. So it's like, I think they actually might have even started

selling worse. So they don't make Metroid games because they look at their books and they're like, well, we can have retro do that or we can have retro make Doctor. Donkey Kong Country. And those games sell better. I mean, it's, I've made the same kind of criticism. I'm like, why is retro being made to make these fucking games when they can make?

They're great games. I played a little bit of Tropical Freeze at when we were saw it, maybe like a half an hour. I wasn't feeling. It felt a little sluggish and a little heavy. Tropical freeze is awesome. It's very, very good. It seems like a waste of their talent, but it doesn't... I would agree with that.

You can't only judge it based on that, though. It's the same thing we talk about with Noddy Dog where everyone's like, well, why don't they make Jack and Dax? It's like, first of all, why the fuck would you want them to make Jack and Daxter? Exactly. Why would you make them want to make Jack and Daxter when they should be making Crash Bander? Exactly. Well, they don't own that, of course. But they don't make Jack anymore because Jack was a diminishing return.

And there has to be business realities when you're making a game. you're spending tens of millions of dollars, not 50 or 100 million dollars on making some of these games. Not that Metroid would cost that much. It's just that when you look at Metroid's sales figures, they're just not that impressive. That series doesn't sell that well.

I know that that's like a surprise to people because I love those games. I love the games on GBA and DS. I mean, they were great, but, and obviously the NES and SNAS classics and the Metroid Prime games, it's just you have to make, it's the same reason why they make up zero.

You know, like, who's buying? Star Fox. Well, they're going to make it. So wait, that's a surprise to me. Like, why are these, why does the Metroid not sell? Well, because it's kind of like, it's just obscure. It's not, I mean, it's not Halo.

You know, it looks like it kind of is, but it's not. And it doesn't have the multiplayer aspects and it doesn't have all these other things. So it's like you don't get that the 13-year-old's talking about Metroid the way that you get them talking about Halo or Call-Duty or any of that type of stuff. So, and it's like, yeah, all of us are like, oh, we love Metroid. Why aren't they making Metroid? But it's like, then people aren't playing it. Like, we're playing it. When was the last good Metroid?

Was it Metroid Prime? Three? 3. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm looking. I was just on my phone because I'm looking.

It says, so there are 12 Metroid games. And the Metroid series through 2012 has sold 17 million copies. That's nothing. They can make a Mario Galaxy game and sell half that much. So it's a matter of like, you know, 12, 17 divided by 12, that's going to be about 1.4 million copies a game. It's just not really a return. Especially when all of them are just critically loved. Like I think, you said there was.

seven of them? No, there's 12. 12. Holy shit, there's 12. All right. So there was Metroid 1, which is great. Metroid 2, which is pretty damn good. So, yeah, it's Metroid on NES, which is a great game.

Metroid 2 on Game Boy, which is a great Game Boy game. Although... But, yeah, it just doesn't sound up against other stuff. Super Metroid, amazing. Right, that's 3. Metroid Fusion was the next one. That's 4, and then Prime came out the same year, so that's 5. Both of those amazing.

Then Zero Mission, which is just a remake of the first one. And then Prime 2, Echoes, which is a great game. Very good. Good. Pinball, which no one gave a shit about. Doesn't count. Oh, Hunters. Yeah, Hunters came out in 2006.

Then the Tresolution came out in 2007. Good. Then the trilogy came to We. Doesn't count. And then OtherM. And then Other M. So Other Em is the... Hold on.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. That's 12. That's 12. If you don't count the trilogy as 11. Yeah. Other M is the only one that's like... Not good. I never played Other M.

Ninja, or not Ninja Theory. Team Ninja did that, yeah. Which is totally weird. Yeah. I saw the baby Metroid. but it didn't know me. I thought she talked the entire kind of winner's fucking bone. Yeah, I love Metro.

I hope they get some shit for it. I was so hype for Metroid OtherM too. Everything about that looked cool. The trailer was awesome, like an action game. Like all that stuff, I was like, first person, third person, hell yeah. And then it was just like all the story elements, really. And just the fact that it was on Wii, so the controller, like, you had to like hold it this way and then this way and do all that stuff. I think that game would have been way better if it had a better story direction.

and, like, didn't ruin Sam's characters, and if it was on an actual controller. What the hell is Nicky? The reindeer. All right. I mean, the solution, right,

is to put out a throwback like Mega Man, right? Mega Man 9 or 10, do a 16-bit. Metroid dread? Yeah. Finally bring it out. Yeah,

it would be cool to give a company that would fucking murder for that game. Like, way forward to Yacht Club could do a lot of, a lot of good by taking Metroid. I don't, there could be another thing, too,

which is maybe that, maybe that retro just doesn't want to do it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I almost don't want retro to do it. Like, they did that three times. Three and a half times. So it's like, no.

Stop. All right. At Donald Jones says, if there were no exclusives, which home console would you buy and why? So in a world with no exclusives. So that really then comes down to controller, power the console,

user interface, and then online. I am completely torn. Yeah. Why? Like what terror? Where's you? Xbox. I would go for the

I think the pros for that or they're online. And then we're talking about PlayStation. The UI is just very responsive, which I like. And then if we're looking at controllers, I like the PlayStation

for a controller for stories and stuff. I can't do it for FPS. Like FPS games, I just can't do the analog sticks like that. They have to be off positioned. And then, yeah I don't know just very back and forth it's a tough one

PS4 is more powerful I think I don't think it which is weird because I feel like it's so nominal yeah if a few people really get caught up on this shit and I don't really care

I would go with PlayStation 4 just because that's where I've been and that's kind of like where I but if there's no exclusives I mean there's no it's a weird question because if there's no exclusives then there's no consoles

because there's no reason to even have multiple consoles you know that's a good point you know like and I can't have a PC I need to have one of the consoles? Yeah.

I mean, then it comes down to like, what do I... I mean, for me, it's PlayStation just because I prefer the controller and for all the games. The controllers never really get me hung up either way. I'll admit, like, you know, last generation,

I think the dual shock was at a disadvantage with those dumb triggers that slope down and... See, I personally still prefer the dual shock just because the D-pad. That's true. The D-pad is awesome. To me, the D-Pads are super important

for the games that I play. I don't give a fuck about the triggers. I don't play. I never touch Dpad. It's always just some extra stuff. It was not about touching that D. I think ultimately I go with Xbox. Just go to the controller and online.

I think. But I see the thing about it, I think I'd be swayed to go Xbox if there was no exclusives and there was no. Just because then it comes down to apps and shit, right? And they have the Twitch app, and they had HBO Go long before it. And they had YouTube long before it.

And it's like if I want more out of my device than just games, which it'll have every game that's everywhere else. But again, this question's weird. It kind of aligns with the questions that I'm asked all the time. people in my Twitch had, there's like, what console should I get this for? My answer is, or just like, what console should I get?

And I'm just like, well, my answer to that is just like, oh, Destiny, PS4, Xbox 1, like, which one should I get it for? My answer to that is just, where are your friends at? Go there. Because, I mean, sure you could do single player, but I feel like a lot of your experiences onwards are really based around your friends, right? So, yeah. Where are your friends at?

Where are your friends at? Where are your friends at? All right. Owen says, Fears about Fallout 4, what do you think about multiplayer? No! I think that Bethesda is going to do

what's really proud. I really feel good about this game. We don't know anything about it. We don't even know if it's real. It's clearly real. It's clearly going to be real to D3, and it will come out this year. The hashtag,

Colin might be right. Collin might be right. Probably is wrong. Remember I would say about the last gardener for six years. I think that they know that they can't fuck with this too much.

I think that they realize that. hope that they realize that and I think they do. I think there'll be some sort of online component. I don't think that it's going to be like this overarching, like really important thing. I think it'll be like borderlands. I think that's a really good parallel to it. You can play the entire game by yourself and you will not know any difference. But if you want to play with a friend, maybe you can do that too. The only problem is that the game's going to be way more story than borderlands, you know, you assume. And so how they're going to work that out and all that kind of stuff remains to be seen, especially with choices. For instance, if like you play

with a different player and you made different choices in the story and then come to each other is like that going to affect it can you not play with each other it's it's a complicated that's why i think that the online interactivity in the game cannot be too deep like it's just not going to work unless fallout four is a completely different game than then the elder scrolls and then fall three um i have zero concerns about it Todd howard's a fucking g like he's been doing this for a long time he makes great fucking games he's got a great team but does the game studios does what they do everyone looks at Bethesda as a studio or as a publisher but their internal

studio is insanely good you know, their self-titled studios as it were and I think you should have every faith that this is going to be a great game I believe in that world I hope in that world I would not want MMO Fallout I would not want multiplayer Fallout

for the reasons he I mean Fallout's always such a personal story what your experience is what you went out and found what the story is what do I kill these ghouls oh my God they seem like that bad. Like, when you talk, like, the reason multiplayer works in Borderlands so well, right,

is the fact that the story's just goofy. Run around and shoot shit, and then here's a fart joke. You're like, all right, great, this is fun, no. What did he say? I don't know. We go to that thing and do that.

Great, see. You know, I mean, like, Fallout is in that game. Fallout is, has this, like, undertone of seriousness, and I want to keep that. Are you a fallout guy?

I'm going to confess a crime. I've never touched Fallout. Oh, man. That should definitely be one of his streams. You play Skyrim, though. I did. I play a shetone of Sky. Same thing.

It's just in post-apocalyptic with guns instead of medieval times with swords. But I've been going back. I did the last of us this weekend. I'm going to go back and do Uncharted and fall out of stuff out on that. I fucking love that. MP was cool, too. Yeah, multiplayer is awesome. I enjoyed multiplayer.

Excellent. At Mike Gronick asks, what are the biggest hard-hitting gaming questions that we've always been wanting answers for? Half-Life 3's release date. Yeah. Why does Nintendo keep fucking up? The Last Guardian. Last Guardian.

Well, just what happened. In general. Yeah, I mean, I think Half-Life 3 is probably the biggest mystery. And I think Half-Ly 3 will happen. I think it's in development. But, yeah, I don't know. I think you have to kind of answer those kind of questions more on the fly. Like, I don't really know.

I think that answer can be different next week. Yeah. But, yeah, Half-Life is a good one. Taylor's shelf asks, what are game series you hate that everyone else loves? Game series you hate. Assassin's grief is a great example for me. I agree with that one. I fucking hate that series.

I can't even, I can't stand it anymore. Like, that's like how, like, it's like, it's, I don't, because it's one of the,

I don't know if Alfredo agrees. It's really one of those things where I don't get how it got so big. I really don't. I'm like, I look at the game, I play the game, and I'm like, why, why?

It's fine, I guess. But it's not like this amazing. No. Like, fucking mind-bending, mind-altering experience. Just not. You know?

And, like, that was always so confusing to me as, like, how... And I appreciate and respect that people like that game a lot more than I do. But, man, I look at that series just being annualized every year, and I'm like, who is buying this? The story never really resonated with me. The combat felt, especially with the first, like, kind of two games, repetitive and... Sure. I mean, two is what changed it and what set it on to this chorus and where I fell in love with it, even though I don't play them all that often anymore,

but just in the fact that it was like, and it was an open world in quotes, that I could go and do what I want and complete everything, and it was one of those games that had all the video game hooks that worked for you. And it, for me, overcame the fact that I had no idea what the fuck was happening in the story anymore and what was going on with these pieces of Eden

and yada, yeah, yeah, yeah, and fucking aliens and whatever the hell else they're doing, right? I just wanted to run around and buy every outfit and put on this thing and get down every painting and find every feather and do it, you know what I mean? Like when you start, when you get lost in that, when the game design has so many great elements to it, but you overlook the fact that, yeah, combat was repetitive, but I mean, I feel like that can be said by, this one was in a very specific way repetitive, right?

I'm just like, wait for the parry, parry out of it, right? Like four guys that each take their turns, like slashing at you and your parry. But even that, like, I mean, the original Batman games were like that in a way, right? Like, you had to wait for your option to do it, and then they slowly put in more attacks and more things to counter and do that. But, like, Arkham Asylum is similar in the way of, like, you can get through. you're butt-mashing entire time, but if you want the combos racked up and you want to be reversing

at the right time and this, that, and the other. There's more to it. I'm not saying it's exactly one and the same, but I think it's not that far off. You know what I mean? Now there's a bigger gap, I think, or whatever. Yeah. I think for me, and this is a really strong word,

because I don't want to say I hate it. I just don't understand why people love it so much and just hasn't hooked me is Animal Crossing. Oh. People fucking love that shit. Yeah. Like, people love that game on a level that I'm like, wow, you are.

addicted to this. Yeah, I don't pretend to get it either. I just don't get it. I played it on GameCube and I was just like, it was fine. I was like, and that was a different time when you had to like exchange, I'd go on game facts and exchange like these long numbers and so like that. It's like, Jesus fucking Christ.

But yeah, I never, I never got it either, to be honest. I've gotten it to varying degrees. Like, the DS one I got in it late, so I did my best, but I couldn't keep up with like goldfarb who had like everything. Yeah. It's insane about trading stuff. But they're fun for a while until I feel it's the same thing as a lot of games.

Where you look back 10 hours, 20 hours, whatever later and it's like what am I doing? Like why do I give a shit about this cherry tree? Why am I picking weeds? What am I trying to find all these seashells and dinosaur fossils? The fact that it's so... The game sounds weird as shit. And it's the same game too.

Like there is no huge change. There's no big change from it or anything else. Like that's always one of the problems with it. Now in the similar vein of I don't hate it, but I don't get it. Half-Life. I've tried, man. I've tried playing both Half-Lifes and I just cannot do it. Like, I just find them boring.

I find them mechanically clunky and I don't enjoy them. And every's like, the story and the end scene. And it's like, well, I just, when it's a slog to get to that point, I just can't be a part of it. Yeah. And there are others, too. I mean, to varying degrees, like, Call of Duty is actually one of those games I think about, not in the sense that it's bad because it's excellent. But why there hasn't been a bigger backlash against the forced annualization of that series

when people should be, like, more interested in settling into a game for a couple years or a few years and really learning it. It seems like there's a lot of churn in those games. And I'm always wondering, like, what is it about it that makes everyone want to jump to the next Call of Duty? I think it's because they think everyone else wants to and needs to jump to the next call of duty. You know what I mean? Yeah. Call of duty's mechanics are unrivaled, I think, in shooting.

But I think about it in that sense, too. And another example has got a war. I've been a long, long outspoken proponent of, you know, of just saying, like, I don't really get it. Excellent games is when you play them. Don't understand, like, why anyone cares about Kratos, don't understand why anyone cares about that world and very one-dimensional kind of storytelling.

Sure. just not for me but you and I have gone around about that enough times I think it just comes out that's an action movie right I mean it's just like that's the whole thing

is like it's a what eight hour seven hour action movie right where it's like in a two hour stint of diehard or whatever maybe a bad reference but you know

whether you have this like action hero who really only has one emotion it's not that big video right you want to see the rock fuck shit up or whatever but like yeah

with Kratos nonstop yelling Kalliope every five seconds what's going on I don't want to bring I just bring those examples up like Assassin's Creed

really is the answer for me to that question Yep. But, yeah, I think about Call of Duty and God have worn another series that I don't quite under it. Let's categorize those as I don't quite understand them. Don't get them.

But not everything's for me to be understood by me. Out there, Nick Scarpeon says he agrees with me about Half-Life. There's a lot going on right now, guys. Yeah, Nintendo's going on. Nintendo duX going on. There's a lot of exciting news. We're going to get into that a later time. Colin and Greg Live, you should go check it out.

We're probably going to do some stuff. It's going to be fun. I will just say I was totally fucking right about some shit. So that's great. Ladies and gentlemen. called the yarn ameboes all right oh yarn amevos that was it no all right this has been episode 14 the last ever episode 14 of the kind of funny games cast guaranteed absolutely guaranteed until next time i love you what's up guys welcome to the first and last ever episode 14 of the kind of funny

games cast oh oh yeah so calling a little thing happened real quick this is the two coolest dudes in video games Greg Miller, Collin Moriarty, and of course, my boy, Alfredo Diaz. So, Alfredo plays. He's wearing a wife beat on Twitter. No, I am. Yeah, he does things. It's also coarse material. Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry, we have to do that over. What? Okay. Oh. There was a whole wife beaters bit going on too. Yeah, we can't recreate that. Yeah, you can't do it again.

Leave this all after the fact. Leave this all after the fact. Because people need to know about the undershirt and they need to know about the course material.