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What's up and welcome to your kind of funny games cast for Tuesday, October 7, 2025. Of course, I'm your host, Tim Getty's. I am joined today by blessing at Ayoje Jr. Good day, Tim. And Greg Miller. I like a good email chain. Yeah. A good one right now.

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That's probably it. I never opted in. Is it supposed to like, what was it supposed to say like, hey, this is Greg's phone. What the fuck you want? Oh, nice. Yeah, mine does it. If you call me right now, if it gets the voicemail, like, I didn't know this until last week, but it's like

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Tots, tots, tots, tots, tots, dot, it's Wolverine, baby. It's officially happening. We already knew that, but it's been a while since we've got to check in from them legally, officially, in any which way possible. So we got a trailer of the announcement for this game on September 9th, 2021, many moons ago. And then just a few short weeks ago on September 24th, 2025, pretty much four years, almost to the day. You know, we got the actual gameplay trailer getting a little bit more of this game. So I want to start this off by watching both.

both trailers back to back, just so we can get a little reminder of what's going on. And then we're going to go kind of through just different elements of this, the gameplay, the story, how similar we want it to be to Spider-Man or other Insomniac games, what we want different, all of that stuff. So if you have thoughts, super chat them in and we'll get to it. But let's start this off with trailer number one, the announcement. The tease. A lot of Magiapoor, remember that?

A cowboy hat. It's a bar. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? That guy. Who is that guy? I think that's Logan. That looks like Logan guys.

I thought there's a Spider-Man. Turns out this is not a Spider-Man, that's Logan. Remember that? I do remember that. This is all the insomniac logo. I mean, come on, come on. I will say that this will come up later in the conversation. But, Kevin, if you scroll back a bit when we get the shot of Logan from behind,

which I do know is 90% of this trailer, if you look there on the bottom right, the license plate. HLK 181. Yeah. You Google what that is. It's the Hulk versus Wolverine issue. Yeah. So very excited.

I remember, you know, we don't need to go through them all here. We could look it up if we wanted to. I remember the breakdowns of all, like the IGN breakdowns of all the different references up there and what they were pulling from. Yeah. It's not the iconic like reflection.

Oh yeah. It's the other one from 1962. But still, very, very cool. We'll get to that later. But yeah, let's check out the trailer from a couple of weeks ago. A long overdue one, I would say. Oh, yes.

I've been fighting longer than I can remember. Jesus. It just has a way of finding me. It doesn't matter where I go. What a lie. Yeah. Whoa. Because I ain't no hero.

God, that's going to be cool. That's going to be so good. Sick. All right. So there we go. That is all the official anything that we've gotten from Wolverine from Insomniac. Let's just start off with the easiest question of all time. hype levels.

I'm very hype for this. Yeah, I'm extremely high for this, right? And there's many reasons for that. It being Insomiac, it being a different IP than Spider-Man for Insomiac, I know we're still within the Marvel world, but I think that is the most exciting thing possible when you think about what their version of the Marvel world looks like, and then also them getting to ante up the intensity and the aggression and the violence factor.

I think it's funny. You mentioned that this is pretty much everything we've seen from the game. There is still that sequence that they had in the last day to play where they talked about, you know, what they're doing here. They showed off the actor that's portraying Wolverine. And then also they talked, Liam. And they also talked a lot about the blood. They got all up in the, here's the blood tech we got to work on for this game.

And it seems like there was a big conversation for them around like how to really make that pop, how to really make that work. And I think that just speaks to the elevated level of violence here. And so I think with all that being said, I'm hyped for this. I think there's something, even just on a pure gameplay level, there's something about the sharpness. of the claws that just hits it's differently than the fists of spartime every hit and punch every strike there i want to call it a strike it's very visceral and like you you can feel how it's going to feel playing the game

watching this you know funk even as we're playing ghost of yote right like i mean that is steel but it's oftentimes steel on steel and then you get that final hit and that is like the stab or the slas or whatever i think yeah when you're playing as wolverine and it is like the i'm going to repeatedly stab you over and over it dual sense haptics yeah feeling the blood feeling the squish in the hapt I'm glad to Greg, what about you? I am hype, obviously.

I don't think that's going to catch you BF guard as somebody who loves comic book games and loves Wolverine, I think, as both a character and a concept, write it for a video game. I would say, though, coming off of it, I have realistic hype and realistic expectations.

I think as I look at that, I'm excited for everything we see there, but I do sit there and go, stick with me. It looks like an insomniac game. It looks like Spider-Man, which is a, a fantastic thing, but Spider-Man

flows and feels far different than Wolverine. The way character model is moving, yes, there's the thunker that you see it of getting in there and doing it, but like so much of what we're seeing there, I think, is cut scenes or what we're doing. I want to see what it looks like when I'm actually playing and I'm

tearing part and what that feels like. Is that going to feel like I am this unleashed Wolverine and anything can happen, or is it going to feel very much like canned animations and I'm playing this blockbuster movie and that's great and good and going to be but it it's so hard to say and and not sound insulting because i mean i love the spider man games from insomniac so much are they

i know we just saw him tear people apart and stab them and put it through there but like are we going is it going to have rough edges of like it's fucking wolverine or is it going to feel like i'm watching a marvel movie wolverine and i don't know if you know i i am i making sense with you totally you're definitely making i feel like i'm trying to put concepts yeah into a sentence here that it looks so much like it's in the Spider-Man universe, right? It's all 1048. It looks like that. And is it going to go beyond that and feel more visceral than that?

As I feel like it should, even though it necessarily shouldn't because he's in the yellow suit. What is visceral to you? X-Men Origins Wolverine? Do you remember this game? Yeah. Sorry, I thought you met the movie. I was like, I don't.

He got so mad. I was like, what are you talking about? I'm not fucking say that. No, like, that was the thing of like how over the top and awesome the video game X-Men Origins Wolverine was. was. Of course, a bad movie. Of course, not a great video game, bad storyline, whatever, but seeing Wolverine just in just normal gameplay, blown apart down to the anime of skeleton. It's what we want. It's tearing dudes. It had lopping off arms. Like, that lunge you would do

that was just like that screaming rage. Yeah, like, we're seeing all that cinematically here. But are we going to carry that feeling into gameplay? And is it going to feel like that? Or is it going to feel, again, Spider-Man, I feel like is the analog here that I'm using. And I enjoy Spider-Man, but like I don't sit there like Batman Arkham Asylum any of the Batman games when I'm doing that and I'm piling on beating thugs and then I reverse

and I do the thing and I throw the battering I feel like I'm so in the combat flow in control this is the game whereas for me with Spider-Man the combat was I'm kind of hitting buttons and doing cool shit and doing cool flips and yeah okay now this specific enemy comes and I know I need to web the shield or throw out

this gadget or whatever it just felt like Spider-Man was popcorn in such an interesting way where Wolverine I wanted to feel like I'm fucking coming to kill you and I'm taking you apart piece by piece with my claws. Are you sorry? Kabob's mentioned it in chat. I want to bring in this conversation. Are you saying insomniac doesn't feel S-tier to you?

No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that at all. We cannot argue that insomnia is an S-tier PlayStation studio with their output in line-up. Yeah, but you changed your tune. Did I? I don't know. I think I don't think I ever did. I thought, oh, I think when we ran this joke into the ground.

I thought at the end you finally conceded. I'm firmly on the insomniac as S-tier side of the conversation. And I think that S-tier can involve 8.5 to 9 games. You know what I mean? I think that there's a level there of consistency of fun that I feel like the style of game and what I love so much about the Insomniac games. I think there has to be a ceiling on the getting to that 10 level. Just because I think that a lot of the things that I love most about it are kind of

the padding are kind of the fetch questy type. stuff of like just more things to do. Just give me more things to do because I just want to do more things. Yeah. And I think that when you start doing that, it, uh, critically starts to chip off a little bit about the, okay, you really are just doing this over and over and over. But it's like doing it over and over is so fun that I hope it's making sense there.

But when it comes to the Wolverine side of things, like I do think that the violent nature that we're seeing all the cutscenes. I think that what we're seeing so far from this trailer is proof to me that the gameplay is going to back that up. I do think that the combat and fights are. are going to be that visceral and have that much bloodshed and feel that like you are Wolverine ripping people apart. My question there, though, is from a combat perspective, gameplay wise, control wise, the things,

your move set and what you're doing, Spider-Man does have all of the gadgets in the insomniac games. Like, it is a very, very tech forward Spider-Man. And a lot of that combat was the kind of rock-paper scissors of, do they have a shield, do they not have a shield, how bigger they projectile, not projectile, that type of stuff. But a lot of it was cycle through the thing. And I don't want to say willy-nilly button mash, because I do think that

there's a lot, you could do that, but I also think that you could play it a lot more strategically and do things with purpose. I just wonder what Wolverines Arsenal is going to be, right? Like, is there going to be a weapon wheel of some sort? Is it going to match the Spider-Man thing exactly or not? And then the bigger thing is, cool, the violence I do

think adds, and I can see how from a gameplay perspective, not just like, oh, man, this is cool because it's violent way, but more from a, yeah, like, there's you know, you're rising revengeance, right? It's like, you can turn violence into gameplay and have that be satisfying. And I think that Insomniac has the stuff.

They're not showing it yet, but I think that that's by design. I expect they will. But my bigger thing is the open world nature of Spider-Man, which is the majority of the game, I would say, right? It's like there are linear sections story-wise, but otherwise you're going around, city kind of just doing open fun things because they're fun to do. And I don't expect that from Wolverine.

So I do question what is in place of that? If the violence is in place of the tech and moveset, Arsenal stuff, what's in place of swinging around the city? I mean, I see it being more of a ratchet and clank kind of structure, right? Like you're going to these locations. They're going to be, I would, I guess I would guess semi-linear, right? where you're going around, there might be different paths or whatever.

I don't know what, and I'm excited for them to show me, what does a collectible look like in this video game, right? Like, what do, are you picking up voice notes? Are you picking up, you know, remnants of previous X-Men, dog tags, like references to other Marvel characters and all that stuff, right? Like, you know, I think at the end of the day, and this kind of ties back to, I think, what Greg's talking about in terms of insomniac,

there is a level of game design that Insomniac brings to the table. And I think it is sort of predictable, but in a good way, right? like I love Insomniak, you know, when we get to the S tier, A tier conversation, it's almost ridiculous because we're talking about S tier nature, right? We're all saying the same thing of it. They're an excellent studio, but I think for me, I still am in the place where I look at Ensonmiak

as a studio that produces very great 8.5 to 9 games. And when I look at Wolverine, right, I almost see it as when you go to a restaurant and they have a big menu, right? For me, it's almost like, Insanac is a cheesecake factory. And the way that they can give me a burger, they can

give me a cheesecake, they can give me the Buffalo Blasters, but like, this is all good. And it's all, it's all great, but I know that. It's not the five star Michelin thing,

naughty dogs. Yeah. And even to further it, right, I know that in that kitchen, it's all the same ingredients. You go to a restaurant and you know that when you order

these different food, these different menu items, they're going to taste a little bit similar because they're only working with a limited number of ingredients. That's any restaurant. And so when Insomiac is giving me Scent Overdrive and then they're giving me

Ratchet and then they're giving me Spider-Man. I'm not going to look at Wolverine and go, this is going to be different. I look at it and go, oh, this is going to be a different flavor at insomnia tends to give me. And so, like, I think I do judge it, or not judge it.

I think I view it through that lens of, all right, I think I view a less so as what does insomnia bring to Wolverine and more so what does Wolverine bring to Insomniac? What does this not be a way to look at it, right? It looked like, yeah. One of the things I'd like to bring up,

I saw go by and chat a while ago was somebody being like, well, with Greg's talking about gameplay and visceral and stuff, what does he think of the gameplay here? We're seeing gameplay. You're acting like you're not seeing gameplay. I really don't think you're seeing gameplay.

Stick with me. You are, especially in that alleyway where he's slicing at people. There's no HUD, there's minimal effects. There's also a lot of these fights you're seeing like this thing here. Yeah, you're controlling this. You're tapping A or I'm sorry, X or circle. Like in the same, like, but that's not the moment. I want to see what it looks like to walk down the alleyway, have the conversation.

It explodes into a fight. They come in. My claws. Like, what are we doing there? How does that flow and vibe? These are all the end of gameplay, even as you. jumping at the things of Wolverine leaping. The best you have is that alleyway where Wolverine's moving his claws around and slashing

people. And it doesn't look like it's that impactful, that powerful. I'd much rather it be like when I'm in these fight scenes. And I'm sure this is happening. Again, they have to keep stuff back, right? I'm hoping we're in fight scenes where we are at it. And the guy here, this is the actual gameplay, right? But again, how does this get set up?

What does it feel like? It's the idea that like I want to be in these fight scenes and have those things where I get stabbed, right? And it is the, ah, you punch him off. and you roll up and it falls out, you're doing that thing. And what does that look like for him? Are they using? We see his cheek in a cut scene cut.

What's happening in a normal thing when you're getting shot by a billion machine guns? One of the things that I'm seeing a lot in this trailer as well are like a lot of what seemed like, to what you're saying, Greg, a lot of set piece moments. And just to be expected in the first trailer. Which is to be expected,

but also, I think coming off a Spider-Man too, the set pieces in that game were fucking excellent. Like, when I'm thinking about the opening and the fight against Sandman and stuff and how cool that was, if we're going for a more linear approach but we're still going for something that's obviously not rashed and clank you're dealing with a violent superhero i want to see some of those steppiece moments almost mirror an uncharted level of like oh this happens like you know seeing him riding the motorcycle i want to control that right and then when he goes down and then lands on the truck or whatever like i want you want to be like uncharted jeep right where we were doing and then for a cut's a cinematic cut scene or whatever it would pull right i think to tim's question of you know what do what does that structure look like as far as all right it's not an open world what are we doing here? I could see it like if they really locked in and really like if they looked at

maybe not a dog for some of that inspiration, I could see it being a lot of moment to moment. No, we've really curated an experience that's going to be with, you're going to be able to control it. But like you're still going to have those crazy things happening or sliding down the roof. You're doing this thing.

You're doing that thing. Now this is a insane question to bring up. But I think with the context of the conversation we're having, I think it's interesting. If they were to do that, limit it a bit, make every single thing a bang or set piece moment. or not set piece but story driven,

gameplay driven, all of that kind of adding up to cut the fat. This is not a collectathon. This is not this giant open thing. Does that have the chance to elevate this then? Yes. I think it has a chance to speak to people in a way that might even be deeper than Spider-Man.

I think maybe on like the critical level. I think that's how you get to an insomniac 9.5 to 10 out of time game. Well, yeah, because again, I think even beyond critics, right? You're just talking about giving someone a polished cinematic story where you're able to keep them moving and keep them going and kind of control those plot beats rather than it be something crazy happens in the spider man

story and then you fuck off for three hours to go chase pigeons and spider bots and stuff like that like that's what we both love and then lose so much of of like oh well the golden path is this but i didn't get it in the right order i didn't do the thing you know you do that where if this was like yeah it's just Logan's story right 10 hours 12 hours even even that might be long in the tooth for what you're doing, but it is whatever the objective is that takes them from squamish British Columbia, as we saw there over to Magipur, you know what I mean, as he does this globe trotting adventure as Wolverine. I think that would serve very well because, again, I don't need Wolverine GTA. I don't need.

I am boots on the ground in Magiapur, and it's not as big as like Vice City or whatever, but it's like I'm running around this open environment for some reason, chasing things and finding side quests and helping a homeless guy with his pigeons. Yeah. And exactly, and that is Spider-Man, right? Like, I think the core character of Spider-Man is being distracted, having too many things to focus on at once. And, like, yeah, you should be doing this one thing right now, but this person needs help. There's a crime breaking out.

I need to go, you know, flip this car over or whatever. And I think with Wolverine, it's a very different, obviously different character, different story, different rating for the game, right? Which I think they know that they need to kind of take it a bit more seriously, I think, in terms of like telling a cohesive story that like the M-rated gamers are going to appreciate. But one thing I do love about the insomniac spider verse is how they just jumped in like they,

it wasn't an origin story, right? Like he's been Spider-Man for a long time. And that kind of put us in a great spot to learn, okay, cool, what has this Spider-Man experience and what hasn't he? Okay, cool, he didn't experience Venom yet. Yeah, the second game we got that. But he did have all this other stuff go on.

I really do wonder, like, looking at this, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fairly non-linear story where him in the suit, him out of the suit. Why is that, right? Is that flashbacks? Is that just different time frames? Like, I don't know, but I think that that's very interesting, right? Like, is some of the earlier stuff of seeing him not in the yellow suit?

Like, is that more of the pre-X-Men days? Yeah, I mean, that was going to be my next question is. What, like, where in the X-Men timeline do you guys think this is, we're seeing mystique we're seeing some of some references that we're familiar with but yeah do do we know or do you guys think that the x-men already exist in this wolverine game 100% okay i think this is post x-men or or it concurrently with them but i would say post my imagination runs away for no reason really but from what we're seeing of a logan who has left the x-men who is on the outs whether it's good or bad that he's off on his own but he's off on his own

he's hung up the yellows. And so I do wonder if the yellow suits we see here are obviously flashbacks we play throughout the game. And then obviously at the end, he's going to have to dawn them to take down whatever it is. Or if it is that, yeah, I don't know, something about him right here just makes me go, oh, he's been off. This is he's trying to get out as always. He's trying to get out of this life. And something is bringing him back in, setting him back on a mission for revenge to find whoever's missing, whatever it's going to be. and then yeah you're seeing both flashbacks i think to the final case of wolverine and what went wrong

like why he has a beef with these people uh or then obviously some flashbacks or i'm sorry some end game things probably where he's back into it yeah uh zabe in the chat says there has to be x-men because he has the ex-men suit but like that's the interesting things like him having the suit that just means that where we're at the time but like we might not see the mansion we might not see a single other i don't think you see the mansion i don't think you see the mansion i don't know if they were doing flashback i still don't think you see the mansion I think the best you guys, the jet. I think you get the jet.

I think we get, yeah, with the flashbacks, and again, I think it's going to be something that went wrong and drove him away from this life or, you know, set him off on this thing. I think you'll get X-Men in there. I'll say, we talked about this, and one of the things, but now that we've actually been stirring this thing, I think you get like, he's got like two or three with him on the mission that went wrong.

On the mission. Yeah. I definitely want to keep talking about this. And I have a lot more thoughts about will we see Spider-Man in this game. But let's talk about that after a quick word. from our sponsors. This episode's brought to you by Factor. Ball always feels like there's just so much going on,

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We've now had three Spider-Man games kind of fleshing this all out. But I think it's interesting to look at Spider-Man 1. And them dropping this character, this world on us, they're already in that world, and we kind of just had to figure it all out. They gave us so much, though, in that first game. Like they gave us the Sinister 6. They gave us Doc Ock as the main bad guy. They gave us Miles Morales. Right.

That was mind blowing to me playing that game. I can't believe they're jumping to this so quickly, but they did. Right. And then you kind of expand from there from the rest of the games. Like to me, I'm like maybe they do that here too. Like I think that there's... I didn't you're in the deep end. Yeah.

I think it's going to be like you're this is the mutants exist. The X-Men exist. There's all this stuff like there's no handholding. And yeah, there'll be history. and things like that. Not that like leaks are reliable to go off of but like I can easily see this leading into an X-Men video game and so if they're going to make an X-Men video game after this

then for sure we're going to get some strong sense of X-Men. But with that it's do you think that we'll get as much X-Men as we got of Miles Miles being playable in Spider-Man one? Miles being a core part of the story him and his dad right in Spider-Man one? I think the difference is that with Spider-Man you can have Miles and you can have like all these

sinister six characters and all the stuff and at the core it's still spider man like the game is called spider man i think the more x-men that you shove into a wolverine game it starts to feel less about wolverine and starts to feel more about the x-men world at large and i think this is something that you have something special with wolverine like the brand name wolverine the character like the even wolverine's world outside of the x-men is so um filled with things to do and things that you can that you can explore that i think it's more of a powerful statement to have this be more will focus on Logan with small references. So that way when you get an X-Men.

Avengers style. With Spider-Man, right? Where it's like they're there, they exist, but they're not in the game. Like, I would, if X-Men are there outside of, like, mystic and the characters that are core to the story, if we're making a stronger, stronger illusion to the X-Men, I expect one to two scenes max. That's my prediction. Yeah, I think that's right on the money, right? This is a Wolverine game and not an X-Man game.

And I think Wolverine having such a different power set than Spider-Man, right? Like, we talk about this all time, but for Spider-Man, I think is swinging around the city, right? And for this, this is going to be boots on the ground. You are one man with amazing healing factor, an amazing animative skeleton, right? But, like, you need to feel like it's you against the world, you against this onslaught and army and yada, yada, and you imagine that will be the feeling and the vibe of this game to lead you to what we assume the ending would be, right? It's got to be that Logan feels like he's in this all by himself. And until the end, when he realizes he needs to work with Misty. or the X-Men that he spurned,

whatever again said in my, in the narrative I've concocted, that sent him away from the group on this lone mission or just him off drinking his face off, right? Like he needs to feel like he's all alone until he gets that, oh, I can do it. But I think to put us in the shoes of Cyclops, to put it, even to be mystique for a while,

it would take away from what we're doing here. It needs to feel like you versus the world. I mean, I think that there's not a chance that there's not multiple playable characters in this game. Like, look at Insomniac. They just love that. Like I feel like every insomnia But that could be the finale too

Where it is that you realize you need to So suddenly you do work with Mystique now You get to use stealth stuff That way it's not just Mary Jane's stealth That everybody fucking hates I mean I think it's gonna be mystique self I think that I think that'll be cool Like go back here changing to somebody else

Exactly I think that there That is a for sure thing that's gonna happen Just based on like how featured she is in this And like the way that the camera angles look And like it seems fairly gameplay Yeah And maybe they're just being clever with that But I don't think so

Because you look back to the other trailers and like insomniac trailers are pretty on the nose like what they show is what you get from it so I think that mystique is a playable character my question is are there other playable characters and I think that there will be because this goes back to like the how do we make a Wolverine game

when they you can't fully use the Spider-Man skeleton yeah even though they are like we see this and we're like okay it's Spider-Man gameplay but you're Wolverine like the comment the walking on the rooftops like the way it all looks it's like yeah this is Spider-Man, right? But I think that the way you have more set pieces and more big story moments and all that

could be different gameplay styles with different characters that are a bit more like mission-based. But that hasn't been Insomniac strong suits. I was going to say, that shit has to hit because, yeah, so far, I feel like those were a lot of the complaints come from. We're even thinking about the marriageing stuff in Spider-Man 1 in the times that we are. Even like the science puzzles they had in Spider-Man one. Like, anytime that I'm not playing is Spider-Man, I'm kind of like, I mean, I wish I was playing a Spider-Man.

And yeah, if I'm playing a Wolverine game, I want to play as Wolverine. Now, that's where it gets so tough, right? And why, again, I think linear helps and you need to tell a story. Because, like, what mini game is Logan doing that isn't going to feel like, what the fuck? Why are we doing this? Yeah. I mean, again, that's a great question. Like, it's, but it's, I think then a problem of a 10, 12 hour game.

Like, I know the three of us are like, hell yeah, sign me up. But, like, I feel like for a four years in the making between trailers a year away from this game coming out, a big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The placement of this game for Sony, for PlayStation Studios, right? It's like, I feel like that is not going to go over well, even though I don't agree with that at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think Hulk's in this? I hope so.

I hope so, man. That would be fucking awesome. Because, I mean, the fact that the license plates there and just like this game being emrated, seeing how violent it all is, I feel like knowing insomnia, knowing the set pieces they like to do. knowing their gameplay decisions and what characters that team likes to pull from. No. I guarantee that between Wolverine, Wolverine 2 and X-Men game, probably not an X-Men game. It would be a Wolverine thing. So Wolverine or Wolverine 2.

He's facing Hulk. Yeah. My thing is, do we get a Wolverine 2? And I know that it's a lot of questions of does this game do well enough or not. But you're getting Wolverine. There's something about this that to me, I'm like, I wouldn't be surprised if you get the Hulk versus Wolverine fight, even if it is just a tangent flashback story or something you get. like it could be the start of the game

could be just like a you know you see what I'm saying though and we get the sentinel tease there but like I see this as like if it's a Wolverine game do the thing man because this might be your only shot that's the thing about it

where I think this yes in a vacuum is Wolverine 1 right but in reality this is the fourth game now in the gamer universe insomniacs installed right so I don't think you can come in and be conservative with those moments to your point

you got to deliver live around what Wolverine fans want. And I think in a world so saturated with Wolverine, whether it be Hugh Jackman or the cartoon or the comics, right? Like, there's so much to pull from and so much that even MCU fans haven't seen but would love to see, the Hulk stuff would be fucking insane in such a cool way to open the game and really set yourself apart. And again, insomniac openings are usually bat shit and not what you expect and like totally

out of the ordinary for what you're getting. So yeah, that would make a lot of sense. The reference is very nice. again it's a new world for them to play in and yes they shouldn't pull punches they should be going all in and doing all sorts of shit so then it gets even crazy right of like all right so we keep talking about this being a wolverine game we keep talking about other playable characters right what other ex-men are we going to see what if we're all wrong on this and what about it if it's what other wolverine are we going to get laura kinney in this is that the way you do this and you make it a very

wolverine game but it doesn't need to be it it turns out that whatever separated him from the group and put him off on his path laura has been going as the all new Wolverine. She's got the suit, yada, yada. So she's what shows up at the end to be the, you're not in this alone, Logan, let it go, whatever happened, whoever died of your, you know, because of what you did.

You went to slash somebody, you moved, you stab Jean Grey, you did whatever. Like, let's go, you know, that's the thing and you raise it up that way. And she could be another playable character and open yourself up to a mile situation. That would be really awesome. Yeah.

I really like what you're presenting. And I think that that does add up and make sense. I don't think it adds up and makes sense for how insomniacs sees its worlds and characters. Yeah. That seems a little too derivative of what we're getting currently from things. Like I think that they like to kind of have their, their own take on stuff.

And like, there's such hardcore comic nerds about this stuff that I feel like that seems too easy of an answer for them. But I do like what you're saying about the Wolverine being both their names and like that being a reason why he's not with them. That's actually pretty interesting. If you do get the Wolverine versus Hulk fight, does that then open up, I guess, desire from fans of now I want a Hulk thing? Like now I want Avengers thing.

Yeah. Is that something that they want to do? I mean, if that's something they want to open up? I mean, now you're back into the question of where are we at with Marvel games and what are they,

how are they handling things? Because again, like a Hulk game. I would love a Hulk and song. We always make this sound so simple. But like, Hulk, Ultimate Destruction is another game that was not a 10 out of 10,

but fucking really got what this was. And so either having another insomniac team or just another studio, playing in that world with the Hulk. You know what I mean? Like at a certain point though, go make a smashy smash game. I know we mentioned Wolverine 2 before, but when we're talking about insomniac, you're talking about a team

that's, they're not lacking for Marvel IP and Marvel properties to work with you know what I mean? Like they're going to make more Spider-Man games. Like there's the rumored slash leaked like Venom thing. There's a rumor slash leaped X-Men thing, right? Like between all these different, there's I'm sure one day they want to make another Ratchet and Clank.

I'm sure that's lower on their list now, but I'm sure one day they will, right? So between all these different things. For all the people in the comments, resistance. Yeah. I, you know, I think for them, they're probably not even looking at this of like, all right, how do we continue to like franchise or how do we set up this thing or X thing? For me, I'm like, how do we contain all this as far as what we can do? Like, I'd be scared to then put, I guess, sow the seed of Hulk desire when I know we might not get to that in 50 years. But it might just be a taste too of like people who, I mean, Jeremy Dunham wants a Hulk anything.

So put a Hulk in there. Like, we live in a post. This is what you people want from Hulk. The majority of people want from Hulk. I think that's the thing is like, you might well, oh, a Hulk game could be cool, but like the majority of people,

it's like they just want Hulk in an amazing insomniac directed set piece and have it be great. What I want from Hulk is, spoilers for a Spider-Man 2. The game. Yes, the game, the video game.

What I want from Hulk is what I got from Venom inspired me into. Give me a level where I'm smashing through everything. Yeah. That's it. Cool. That's it. Great.

Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like that level is satisfying enough. I'm like, cool, you could turn that. to a whole game. I don't think that there's a world that that is going to hit the levels that a PlayStation Studios game needs to be hitting with Marvel games, right?

Sure. And I'm with you in the sense that I don't know that we get a Wolverine too. Like I do think money talks and at the end of the day, Wolverine is one of the major characters. But because of how superheroes have evolved in the mainstream in the last 20 years, the Batman, Spider-Man Wolverine being the big three, while still true, I do. still think that those are the names. I think that the Avengers dilution of it all has caused a more interesting conversation there of like, I don't think that that's the unanimous

every single person would say that in the way that 20 years ago they would. Yeah. You know? So I wonder with how big of a push X-Men seems to be getting right now from comics, movies, everything is where we're at. It's like, yeah, building towards an X-Men, I think it makes sense.

So maybe this is just the whole. be a mid-me, but like, do one Wolverine game and give it, you're all. Do every cool Wolverine thing in this one project and not get out of the park. Do not hold back. And I think the game starts at the Sentinel fight, though. And I would want to see the Wolverine Hulk thing be more of just like a side mission tangent flashback type thing. But I think you start with the Sentinels and build the world.

Like, you need to center it with X-Men and mutants and, you know, so much of the core stuff of like what makes Wolverine important as a character. not just as a superhero, you know? Totally, yeah, that would be awesome. And I'm with you on that. That'd be another great start. But again, I feel like a Sentinel fight, I don't know.

I would say it would be predictable, but I guess fighting Kingpin and quote, knowing what we know now that you're going to open with something unpredictable to the story, but predictable to a universe, yeah. It'd be cool to see Hulk waved into Wolverine, right, where it is,

the bad guys who are, all of this have captured banner and he's having to do it. So when, you know, you don't even know that. He's using a code name. Wolverine gets in there, hits him. His eyes glow green. Like, oh, fuck. And that fights off to the band.

Amazing, right? Like that sounds like insomiac. That sounds like such a fun reward to us. If you know, you know, now you fucking know, though. That'd be cool. Yeah. So to your question before break, which I think is an interesting one is, does Spider-Man show up in this?

It's an excellent question. My gut says it's not in a substantial way. Yeah. Right? I do think yes though Like I do think Why wouldn't they You know what I mean?

And again, looking at insomniac But looking at what insomniac does with their games It's like they do the tee up They do the connections between stuff And they don't shy away from that I'm gonna say no Because I just think totally Even though we don't know

The tone of this game 100% I just think totally it's not gonna work Whereas like if it was an X-Men game Totally could see it They're doing the thing It's all over they've We did it. Spider-Man swings is.

sorry, I'm late guys. Oh, you know what I mean? Like that makes sense to me. Whereas this one I don't. I think you're going to get something else where they tie it in. And I don't want it. I think it's lame. But I would say something like Silver Sable.

You're going to get something like that. And her and the hired goon mercenary thing she had. They're one of the factions that's fighting the other factions. So they fight Wolverine for a little bit. Or it's just a crossover. Her hunting someone. I think that's the level. That would be a more sense in my brain.

Yeah. Like I think it's tough too. outside of maybe like a newspaper reference or something like that. References 100%. Maybe even he's in the bar and fucking Spider-Man swings through and see him. So like if Spider-Man shows up,

I'm like, what's the fucking you doing here? Like what's Spider-Man doing here in Canada? I can see him being in the newspaper on the TV or whatever, but I don't think he's going to help him in the mission. Yeah, that's where I'm going to. I mean, Wolverine and Spider-Man

do have a lot of history together. I know they do. So it's like... They do kiss. What's on? That's crazy. The Wolverine is the one upside down. It's crazy.

But yeah, I do, I'm with y'all that in the M-rated universe of the building, I struggle to figure out how they'll fit it in. But my money's on they do, though. Like, I think that Insomniac having their, the white spider, like, they want their unique take on things. And like, I think that firmly cementing this Wolverine game in that same universe, knowing that we're building to an X-Men,

to me, I'm like, they're going to want to tie it. And, yeah, it could just be a brief post-credits or a brief little, like, nod. But, like, I think, They'll find a way. If you wanted to get really nuts with it, a cool way, I think, to weave it together. And this is very half-baked. So, like, I would let it sound.

But it's some connection through Norman Osborne, where you're getting a flashback that when Norman was trying to help Harry, he kidnapped Wolverine, stole his blood, you know, some bullshit like that to get the healing factor and figure it out. At some point, even me as a fan, I'm like, I don't need Spider-Man in this game that bad. That's my thing It's like it's not Spider-Man It's just a whatever reference A piece of paper you find

I don't know What I'm gonna say is I know Antithetical to comics In Cinematic Universes right But for me I look at this game And I look at Enzomiac And I'm like okay well Obviously you guys want to create a bigger Marvel universe

And I feel like tying Horsely tying in Spider-Man Makes the universe feel smaller Whereas if we can focus on other crossovers We can focus on other characters If you get an unexpected in quotes Hulk thing Yeah that makes it feel bigger Yeah yeah yeah

And it's cool this Spider-Man's never fucking mentioned, Hulk, for my knowledge, maybe there's some throwaway reference, but you know what I mean. Yeah. Let's look at some of the super chats here. Red Hudson says,

I just want a dedicated SNCC button. See, that was another question I was going to have is, what is the mechanic? What is the button you press that feels satisfying? What's the web swing? Real talk, though? Like,

I think they might have just nailed it in a way that I even thought of, like opening up the combat options. It's like, yeah, you have clawless and then with claws. And I'm sure you're going to be able to pick shit up off the ground, right? And like, you saw the destructible environment in there. That's probably so destructive

environments, I imagine are a big deal. Yeah. So yeah, it's like, are we stabbing? Are we grabbing and throwing through stuff? God, the claws coming out at like, as a gameplay thing. It's so simple and cool. You already have the jump we just saw there. Like, are we talking about different things we're writing? Are we adding in

this sounds stupid, but wall jumps right? Where you're like propelling yourself off of walls? Spider-Man does, right? Are you going to get the L3 plus R3-3-Bersercomode? Of course. What are the villains are we getting to? Because that's The red Omega, you said? Omega Red, yeah. Fuck that is and I don't care.

Omega Red to me is one of those characters that, like, I have red comics featuring him, but I mainly know him from, like, Capcom fighting games and stuff. I am woefully ill-informed on this man. Joe Moen chat says, popping claws with haptic feedback, about to hit like crack. It is, yeah, for real. Yeah, I'm just to think about what the controller is going to look like for this? I mean, you'll get the yellow and, you'll get the yellow and, he's, what, it's yellow and black in this way?

Is it blue? Is it really dark blue? It looks like a dark brown. Okay, so yellow and dark brown controller with probably a cloth slashed through it and a logo on it. After that Cratos controller, I'm like, I can give it up. Whatever. That was a nice controller. Nah.

I wouldn't rush out to buy it, but. Benny Goods. Benny Be Good says, I hope he sounds Canadian. Well, we've heard him. You know what he sounds like. I like how he sounds. Yeah. Uncharted Wolf says, do you guys think they'll use X-Men origins Wolverine as the blueprint for the game the same way they use Spider-Man 2 on PS2 for Spider-Man PS4?

Yes, no. I don't what we're seeing in this the fidelity where we're at with this game I don't see it being oh yeah so it's like a somewhere between black and brown black it's black it looks like black I think you're gonna have obviously the lopping off of limbs and the blood flying through the air

but in terms of Wolverine getting decimated like you saw in the footage cab was running earlier from my IG and review back in the day I don't think you're going to get that kind of on Wolverine yeah so yeah it'll be the blueprint in terms of what we want to do with these claws. Yeah, but like, no, I'm with you. Like I think the PS2, Spider-Man, it being open,

swinging around the city, side quests and all that. So that is the core of it, of the... That's what people went out of the... Yeah. God, what a special game this was. It to me. Mando says, I want to feel the deep-seated pain that Logan feels. I want to feel the anguish that he feels when having to kill these people.

Wolverines a survivor through violence and trauma. And I do think that I fully trust insomniac. Like, there's stories. beats and stuff like they get these characters and sometimes it's corny but these characters are corny I think that they're going to this is going to be a Logan Wolverine story and I think that it's going to stand with some of the best of them I do think that's a taller task overall than some of the spider-man things because obviously we have some amazing Spider-Man stories but the Logan Wolverine stories like some of those just hit different because of how grounded and real dark they are I

Insomniac hasn't nailed that for me yet. And so I think it's, like you mentioned, Logan Wolverine just has a different thing going for it. So I think if they are going to nail it, it's going to be with Logan and Wolverine. And not to say that, you know, Spider-Man hasn't had really good emotional moments because I still think about the ending of Spider-Man 1

of like the final boss fight and moments of that where it's like, damn, y'all really nailed this shit right here. But I think of a lot of moments, Spider-Man, too, that are supposed to be emotional, that we're supposed to be like, you know, here's his character's inner anguish, and it just did not hit for me.

And so, you know, I hope it hits here. It's always so hard to tell a Venom story. Yeah, but they tried. They attempted it. I hear you. I'm not saying, don't even wrong. I'm not saying give them credit for whatever they got wrong.

I'm just saying like a core Spider-Man story without the suit. Because like in reality, what should we have done? We should have had the whole suit, a whole game and then do Venom in the third game. But I digress. Just like we should have fucking in the movies too, but I digress, right? You know, coming out here, Wolverine blank page, I think you don't get into the same problem. Alex J. Sanamel says, does the game end with Logan

reluctantly agreeing to visit Xavier's school for gifts of youngsters? I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I think it's him coming back. Well, coming back, yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely coming. This is not his first time.

No. No, no, no, no. But that's the case. I think we're going to see the school in post credits. Yeah, I mean, that, we're seeing the school in this game. Yeah. My question is, is probably not him

specifically, but there will be kids that have just dumb ass powers. You know what you mean? Oh, yeah. It's like, they need to sell like, look, it's not just the X-Men. There's other mutants here, right? Yeah, my big question, though,

goes back to Miles and Spider-Man 1 of like, is it just a little post-credit thing? Or is it like, no, this is actually in the game. Maybe not like the deepest main storyline, but even thinking about like carnage in Spider-Man 2, you know? Like, you're getting a fair amount of this character, even if it's not like going all the way full in, but it kind of is, you know?

Yeah. I think X-Men just does so much heavy lifting by itself to where you just put you just show me a school Like not even don't even name the school Just show me a school I'm like okay well I'm buying the next I'm buying whatever this is Yeah Dinesces says I really want to see in where Wolverine eats food with this clause

You'll get that Do you think so? Yeah why not? I think so yeah hell yeah Chris Scott says a bit late but happy 2000 games daily in 10 year I grew up watching Beyond been a best friend when I started a video game career. Now I'm watching you guys do games cast on the game I'm lucky to be on. It's surreal.

Love you guys. So you're working on Wolverine? That's amazing. That's insane. Yeah. Hell yeah. Thank you so much for all of your support. Let's see if there's more Wolverine-based ones here.

Motor World says I just joined. Sorry if it was already discussed, but I hope the Wolverine game is the same universe as Spider-Man. I also want to reference to the first Wolverine game on NES. It's confirmed. It is. Spider-Man universe. When I was like, is it or isn't?

I can't remember. I googled and I found the IGN article citing our interview with Brian and Dar. I was like, ah, shit, we broke that news, my bad. Oscar Navarro says, I just want Wolverine with Yakuza style combat.

And the Motor World has the final super chat saying, in your collective opinion, what are the chances we get a Deadpool cameo or side quest? Oh, I know. I don't. This is something we've talked about off camera or whatever. I'm adamant against it.

based on what I imagine this game's going to be. It could be a different kind of game. But again, if we're doing the anguish and grounded, it's Wolverine and there's fire. It just doesn't work to have, hey, well, hey, guys, blah, well, you know what I mean? Like, again, that's a, that's multiple levels of levity beyond Spider-Man

that I just don't think we enter into. My big thing there is Deadpool and Wolverine, of course they have interacted before and there are things about them together. But like, that is an MCU deal. Like, that is Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds, made Deadpool and Wolverine happen. It's not because of the characters

that they made that movie. And the R rating or M rating and all that stuff, I think it makes sense. I don't think we see Deadpool in this at all. I think that there's a 0% chance. I really don't think it's happening. As a gear shift here, you know that I don't like to use my powers for evil.

Oh, okay. Use them for good. Of course, creative director on this is none other than Marcus Smith. We've known Marcus Smith for years and years and years. It's kind of funny, but way back through IGN. All right. I've sent him the following message.

Uh-oh. Okay. This is a text. Don't respond. You'll get in trouble. I've known you for a long, long time. I've never asked you for anything. When Wolverine, all caps,

inevitably ends up at the school. Make there be a kid with basketball. It's a kind of funny in-review reference. Thank you. If you don't do this, I'll ruin this game. I'll make everyone hate it. This was drafted and read on the kind of funny games cast. Thank you.

I like it. So when you see basketball kid in this game, you know who's us, y'all. Now here's what you also need to say. P.S. also, add a couple mangoes around. That's not bad. You know, some mangoes in the school. What are they for?

Do you know what they're for? I know what they're for. Do you think they're for Beast? Do you think, what do you think Beast is going to do with the mangoes? I don't want to, I hope. I hope that doesn't make it. I hope that doesn't make it in the game. PS also adding some mangoes in the school.

Oh, God. dozens of people will get it. These are the people, they put shirtless spirited, but I'm not going to high five. They put shirtless fire to me in both games, so this could happen. You never know. Mangles make it in. This is going to have a ripple effect.

I don't think we're ready for. I don't think we're ready for it either. Let's close this out. Any final thoughts on Wolverine of things we want to see from this game? I mean, everything we're saying, I hope this is a, this sounds so stupid. I hope it's grounded in the way I hope it feels like I'm boots on the ground a Wolverine. Like I want it to be

that like it is a journey, a struggle, an adventure to go from place to place. And it's hard and it's pressing and Wolverine doesn't want to do it, but he knows he has to do it. Like I feel like that's when Logan is the best, right? Like we all know this guy's got a heart of gold. It's just under

all this pain in anguish and fucking anger. You know what I mean? And like seeing that done so well with Hugh Jackman, I hope they're in sometimes. There's a lot of shit there, but there's a lot of great stuff too. Like I hope we get that here and really have this, you're behind the clause feeling. Yeah.

I tend to agree with that, even though I think I'm looking forward to this, whether it's just insomnia, I do what insomniac does, or if they're able to find a different flow with this, I'm looking forward to either result. I'm more so expecting this to be another insomnia game, but when I say that,

I mean a game that's fun to play, a game that's vibrant, a game that's colorful, a game that, you know, I wanted 100% and do all the things in and all that, right? But also a game that we look at, We look back at and go,

damn, dude, they're insomniac, and they made a fucking Wolverine game. Like, I'm very old with that. You say that. You play it. After you play it. After, yeah. That's what you want. If they make a 10 out of 10, I'll say the rest here. Damn.

Yeah, I'm very, very much with you, blessing that, yeah, I could go either of those ways. I do think it's more likely. This is just Spider-Man and Wolverine clothing, and I'm so down for that. Yeah. I've platinumed Ratched and Clank Rift Apart, Spider-Man 1, Miles Morales,

Spider-Man 2. I will be platinum in Wolverine. I am pretty damn sure. I just want this game to be as fun as insomnia. I can make games and I expect it will be. The thing I don't want for this game and I am incredibly certain will happen no matter what is hold back in the trailers. I understand that they need to show a bunch of stuff that they've already shown so much

here. It's Wolverine. We get it. It's violent. It's cool. I wish more than anything that this trailer dropped and it was coming out in three months and we can just be here. The fact that we have a year to wait scares me because I'm like,

It's going to make the game worse and the experience of the game because the moments of holy crap, are they really going to have Hulk? And then Hulk's there is going to be so much more impactful critically and just from an experience point of view than him just showing up in a trailer at one point. But we'll see. Let us know in the comments below how hyped you are for Wolverine,

what you want to see, what you don't want to see? Do you think Spider-Man shows up? Do you think the X-Men show up? What else happens? Will there be mangoes? And what happened? Why is there holes in the mango? Apparently there were mangoes.

goes in the trailer. It was like a market area. You know that saying. They did it. Say it everybody. It's confirmed. Whoa. All right, y'all. We're about to do the kind of funny podcast. It's going to be great. Thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Until next time, love y'all. Goodbye.