Kitbag Conversations - Episode 10: You boys like shadow ban?

Episode Date: May 23, 2022

This week on Croatoan Report Cody and I discuss a variety of topics including:  - The projected future for the war in Ukraine  - The Germany-Poland dynamic for control in Europe - United States mid-term elections and its relationship with social media  - and the future of independent journalism on a increasingly censored platform (META) 

Hey everyone, welcome back, you're listening to Crotone Report and this week we're talking about Ukraine. So Cody, how are you doing? I'm good man, how are you? I'm doing pretty fine, what doctors would call hungover, but that's for another story. What's going on with the Zeitgeist? Bro, okay, so kind of delving into what is Ukraine right now and what is going on with that.

I mean, where do you want to start, do we want to start with the military, do we want to start with Russia, do we want to start with non-profits, let's start with non-profits. So obviously, Warren Crane kicks off right, a bunch of foreign volunteers go into Ukraine. I mean, you could see pictures of, what is it, the press, non-profits, just crowding the streets in Kiev, Lviv, Odessa as well, I mean, they're all over. It's like an army of non-profits has come to Ukraine. Starting from diapers to aid bags to iFax, a couple foreign military guys have come in and done training.

It's incredible, right? You have this wave of support coming in, but after talking with like seven, eight, nine heads of non-profits, and these aren't small non-profits either, these are guys getting pallets and pallets of supplies, you'd be surprised how little coordination is going on on the ground. I mean, I myself have talked to and seen probably five non-profits on the ground in Ukraine. Some are as small as like EMT, like basic paramedics in the US to special operations medics from the UK and the US, and it's incredible, but it's kind of funny because you have like

no coordination going on. It's just like somebody reaching into a pot full of spaghetti and just throwing it at the wall and hoping it sticks. I mean, what's the right exactly is how I thought it would go if you have all these optimistic organizations going, I'm here to help and they show up with no direction and they have an end goal, but it's very lucid and they go, all right, here I am. And they could run the risk of being a liability. And so you have all these international coalition of the willing running in the same

direction, blind. You're like, OK, I understand. Hey, thank you for the diapers. The kids and Mary Opa are going to love that. But please just get out of the way. Yeah. And I mean, it's it's not bad. But if so, let's do. I know of four NGOs that I have talked to personally that have given supplies to Ukraine.

I mean, military supplies, everything from uniforms to body armor to helmets to night vision goggles, and they're all giving it to separate people. So like if you can imagine, you're like, oh, well, that's great. And it's like, well, hold on there high speed. It's like if you give one platoon a set of nods, one platoon gets body armor and another one gets uniforms and boots. And then it's like the guys with the the nods don't have new uniforms and boots. The guys with the body armor don't have fucking NVGs.

And then like, there's just dudes walking around in uniform with like, you know, a couple of pouches. I mean, I've seen there's 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers, men and women on the front line right now, walking around doing stuff. And some have body armor, some don't. Some have fake helmets, some have real helmets, some have no helmets. Some are just walking around with four mags and a dream. And if they were to combine resources and work together, they could probably

create like one and a half platoons worth of soldiers. Like instead of three platoons having random shit, you could create one and a half and send them to the front. And that would be super lethal versus, you know, three platoons of random crap go exactly like you said. And I mean, that applies to everything, right? Like same with medical equipment. I mean, there's a hospital that blew up outside Odessa that I'm talking to some

NGOs about trying to like build and they're all trying to collect supplies for this hospital that got hit by a cruise missile. And the amount of people collecting IFACs and medical equipment, if they were all to work together for like two weeks, they could rebuild this hospital easily. But because they're all separated and then their own spheres of influence, it's like nothing really gets done. And it, it's kind of eerily reminiscent where there was that like think of it organizational wise.

It's almost the same thing as the Soviets did with their soldiers. They were like, Oh, you don't have a, you don't have flak and Kevlar. That's cool. The next guy does. So if you die, guess what he's getting? Your weapon. It's just instead of a, you know, a commiserate over you telling you what to do. It's just a bunch of NGOs running around like, I'm here to help.

And they're like, could you all just get on the same page? Oh, dude, if this one would be over, I'll speak the same language. Yeah, dude, it, it's frustrating because it's, if they were to do that, you would see huge gains all across the board. And I guess we'll like shift focus because it's like, OK, why does this matter? Who cares? They're all helping. It doesn't, they're all doing good, Cody.

God damn it. Let them do good. And it's like, well, that's great. But we're kind of seeing like the first push was Russian, right? Like, oh my God, they're right outside the gates of Kiev. Kiev's going to fall. And then it's like, OK, the Ukrainians push back, they got their crap together. They got everything set and they pushed Russia back to pre-war border, some back

all the way to the Russian border. And it's like, OK, yeah, Ukraine's kicking ass. And it's like, well, now Russia is going to kind of the momentum eventually does stop. And if once you lose momentum, it's hard to gain it back. And that's why you see like in World War Two, there's like, you know, there's Normandy and then there's Market Garden and then there's pushes by Pat and they're all trying to move supplies to the next spearhead to kind of break the enemy. And if you've ever played Hearts of Iron, it's like, it's exactly like that.

It's like, how do we manage and move regiments and army corps so that they're supplied, they're ready to do a big push, settle, defend, and then do another big push. And I think what we're about to see in the next two to three weeks is we're going to see the Ukrainian movement stall. And then the other two thirds of the Russian army is going to get brought into Ukraine because there's already rumors that a coup is coming. There's all these guerrilla attacks in Russia. And so Putin's going to have to double down.

And so we're going to see the other two thirds of the Russian army come in. We haven't seen mobilization yet, like we haven't seen massive drafts. And then you're going to see it's going to stall and they're going to start digging in trenches and you're going to have the biggest thing that's going to happen in this war, which is the United States midterm elections. And for those of you that don't know, I think Biden has a 26 percent approval rating. It's horrible right now. This is five dollars.

Yeah, my gas. Yeah, I mean, you're fighting one of the biggest exporters in natural gas in the world, Russia. So it's like, yeah, you're going to get gas is going to go up. But it's crazy because if you look at Trump's war chest, which is the money he carries for him to get elected, not the Republican Party, for Trump himself to get elected, it's like one hundred and twenty million dollars. I think the entirety of the Republican Party has like ten million dollars. And so one of the two big political parties.

But yeah, well, yeah, hold up. Let me let me look up the Republican Party War Chest, but it's crazy. Like Trump himself has four to five times as much money as the entirety of the Republican Party, because nobody's been able to see it because he's been off Twitter and social media. But Trump rallies have brought in so much money and the Republican Party is going to have to reel in all this inflation. They're talking about it already.

If you look at Fox News and it's not to bash conservatives or liberals what I'm saying is this is the political ebb and flow of America. They're going to cut back on all this spending, the build back better. All this crap that's been done in the last year and $40 billion or whatever in Ukrainian aid is going to slow down. And so what that means for Ukraine is we're going to start seeing. You're not going to see all those cool toys last forever. Those triple sevens, the M113s, shit breaks down in the military.

You and I both know what maintenance Monday is tell on earth. You got to go through all your Humvees. You got to go through all your fucking vehicle at the bottom. You got to clean up and you got to clean everything. And so I mean, we just sent them. I think it was like 7000 M4s and everyone's like, oh, my God, this is amazing. I'm like, do you realize the amount of upkeep an M4 has versus an AK 74?

Like, why don't we just get the AKs? Yeah, which I seriously. 47 would be so much better than a M4 and or M16 that's been sitting in a warehouse in Delaware, with the Delaware National Guard or something. So it's like, OK, well, what does that mean? I think you're going to see a slowdown. Republicans are going to win the midterms. They're going to cut back spending, especially Ukrainian aid.

I also think you're going to see Russia play the long game because once they kind of pick up like, oh, midterms are right around the corner. The Americans will forget about this. Once the political bashing starts, they're going to start cutting spending. All we have to do is last till midterms November. They'll get a like like the political commercials will go up. And then the Republicans will win. And that's what's going to be on everybody's mind.

And then January is going to roll around all those Republican congressmen and women are going to get elected or sworn in, sorry, not elected. They get elected in November, sworn in in January and then come February, there's going to I mean, shit. This month, it's baby formula. The next month, it's immigrants. Next month, it's spending. The economy is going down.

I mean, the pox that are just it's infected two people in the country's monkeypox, I mean, it's the every day that goes by. Um, in the beginning of the war, that's what we used to say, right? Every day that goes by is one more thing. That's one more day. Russia doesn't get like they had a time clock to capture Kiev and take down Ukraine. I think it's switched now.

I think that in the next two weeks, once you see the Ukrainian advanced stall, that's when the clock changes. That's when the Russians have the time and they can wait it out because the American influence and attention is going to shift. And we're already seeing in the in my area, the Ukrainian flag sort of coming down. It's like, oh, what month is this? Yeah, June's coming up.

No, I got to get my summer bot ready. I don't really care about you. So so every day that goes by about the momentum in. Ukraine kind of slowing down where I guess for the listeners where you have 72 hours in your initial push into a country or invasion to get as much ground as you can. So the Russians had very mild territorial gains in that first 72 hours and then stalled and got bogged down in Kiev or Harkov or whatever.

And then they retrograded. And so that's that tactical retreat. So the Ukrainians just chase them. And so that's why they gain so much territory so fast. It's not because they were better soldiers or better trained. It's just because the Russians were running away and the Ukrainians followed them. And they're like, all right, well, now the Russians are getting dug in. So what do you do?

How do you attack a trench? You can't use tanks. So, dude, that's two things on that. One, I found it as of two as of February 28th, Trump has 110.4 million dollars. The Republican National Committee has 45.5. Together, they have a hundred and fifty five million dollars. The Democratic Party has 52 million. They have the conservative party in America has three times as much money,

which in political spheres is that's huge. That's that's worse. That's more lead than Obama had over McCain as far as political funding goes, which is incredible. Not to see it like. But no, you said trench line. And I had back in my day as a cadet, I had a crazy lieutenant colonel from the hundred and first infantry

who was just he was far ahead of his time. But like one of the things he did for like a field training exercises, he had us assault a trench line. And it was I mean, if you can imagine a bunch of cadets who were prior service, like some of these guys have been like sixes and sevens in the army planning an attack on a trench line. And he like smashed these sixes and these senior sergeants on their planning.

And he's like, I had you guys do this because it's the hardest thing you can do. He's like, if we can, if I can teach you to assault a trench line and clear one, he's like, you can do anything clearing buildings, leading soldiers on a patrol, doing anything in the military. He's like, nothing is harder than assaulting a trench line. And he had us do it. And we'll have some manuals left over from the Great War kind of sitting, collecting dust somewhere.

Or like this is how you do it. Dude, it's oh, man, I do not envy whoever has to do that job. Like just it's going to go from like not fun. Yeah, I just are not fun. Not fun to live in. We're pretty cool to defend, but they're not fun to assault. It's like, I think I've done it once or twice and it's it's not a good time. And you're what?

So what is defense? You need was American flight five to one, three to one, five, three to one, five to one, when it comes to anything for a trench, any kind of defensive position, seven to one, maybe you just have to have so many guys. And the Russians outnumber the Ukrainians by about a hundred million. So that's crazy. Oh, my God. That's crazy, but it's like everybody's sitting there. They're like, well, like they got both the Russians have both action rifles.

I'm like, it's more than good enough. If you're in a trench and everybody has to run across a wheat field, like I. Yeah, that's a stupid. So it's still muddy in Ukraine. Why would the US send them M fours? If the Ukrainians have been traded an M four and know that immediately after shooting it, you have to clean it. It's going to.

In like one month, they're going to realize how like the biggest issue with all this leadenly stuff is, is not that the Ukrainians don't have the weapons or the means to defend themselves. In one month, they're going to realize, oh, man, all this shit's broken. And it's going to be like, yeah, yeah, I got to maintain it. It's like, I can't imagine. Running a high mars. Open it up and then you take a look and you put your pinky in the barrel.

You're like, this is black. What's the last time that you once a lesson, you clean this or like clean? But yeah, they need to be cleaned. Oh, God, I'm just an AK 74. My entire career, I've never cleaned it. You're like, OK, well, step number one, it's not an AK. Yeah, it's it's going to get it's going to get tricky this summer, man. It's going to get real tricky.

Speaking of talking about it before, I don't know if it was on the pot or offline. But yeah, this summer fighting season is going to be brutal because that grinder also known as Crimea is not going to be a good time. And so once he wants it, dude, I don't. So there is a book, I think I've mentioned it like a hundred times, but it's called Where the Iron Crosses Grow. And it's about the Russians. It's the basically the entire history of Crimea.

And it's about the Russians taking it over from the Tartars and the Ukrainians and committing mass genocide. And then it's about the Germans coming in to Crimea. And if you've ever seen a picture of a Nazi super weapon, like a rail gun, like this big, huge, like three story cannon on a rail, like with the Nazis all hanging around it, that that's Crimea. They brought that to Crimea. There's these huge mortar tanks that the Nazis invented called Thor and Odin.

They brought that to Crimea because there is so much stuff in Crimea that makes it a natural bunker. Hitler called it the the aircraft carrier of the Black Sea because it has mountains surrounding the southern part of it and the northern part. It's a valley in the middle. It's got multiple areas for like Ukrainian or Russian Marines to do amphibious assaults, which in World War Two, they did. Like they were constantly flanking each other with naval assets.

And it's just this brutal fighting because there's also coastal batteries. Back a little further. So there was the Crimean War, which was entirely located in Crimea. And the French went to Crimea with 300,000 soldiers and lost 835,000 soldiers, Jesus Christ, in two years, two and a half years. Jesus, that's insane. That's a lot. That's that's a lot of guys. And that's and that's the same thing.

They were dug in, they were trenches. And this is back in the day when there was just bolt action rifles. What was this, like 18? Yeah, 1850. Yeah, it was. That was very primitive. And so if tanks are done and you can't really use planes and you can't really use drones and all these cool toys today, we're going right. We're regressing tactically back to that old Napoleonic era. Yeah, just line up, lay down, get dug in.

And so if. It's just it's crazy to think about. It's, dude, I it's going to be a mess. Oh, it's going to be unless something changes. Like, if OK, like, how would you do it? Right? Like you'd probably have to train the balls off of whoever was going to fight in Crimea. Like they'd have to be the best of the best to take that thing

because it's it's just when I read it, Pointe du Hoc. Yeah, dude. Meryl's Marauders like, dude, it's it's crazy because like you read, like I said, where the iron crosses grow, the Romanians sent their mountain division there and they performed excellent right next to them. The World War Two Wehrmacht and they did a great job. But even they like were treated to like 50 to 30 percent

of their total fighting force. And it's like at one point you could be fighting on a beach in Crimea, the next day you could be fighting in the open plains, the next day you're in a city and the next day you're in the mountains. And then you're defending against an amphibious assault. I mean, whoever. Unless Russia surrenders, probably not going to happen, which, by the way, if anybody has this idea that the Russians are

just going to give up Crimea, please hit me up because I want whatever you're smoking, because I think they put in 80 billion dollars worth of infrastructure to Crimea, like the world's longest bridge from Russia to Crimea, the gas lines. A lot of oligarchs have helped build up Crimea as like a tourist attraction. And Putin himself and his first marriage honeymoon there and said that he had a spiritual connection to Crimea. And remember back in like 2014 timeframe, 2010 to like 14,

that window where France was building these little aircraft carriers in Russia was like, I'll take two. What would you like the name to be? And he was like, the Sevastopol, like, that's not even yours. And they were like, is it what that's that? I mean, there's a reason, right? Like what the first thing he did, he took Crimea first. Then they took Donbass.

Like they knew what they were doing. They're like, we're going to take the hard it's still theirs. They were like, there's only ethnic Russians here. They're like, because Stalin killed all the Ukrainians. And yeah, and the tar-tar genocide. It's like, you wonder, I had not read that book yet. But if I had read that book when Crimea was taken, I'd have I'd have known the game plan right then and there.

And I know that that's like, oh, Captain Hindsight, thanks, Cody. But it's like, no, if you knew that one of the hardest fought places in Eastern Europe is Kursk, which is the biggest tank battle ever. And then Crimea, you'd be and Putin has now both of those places. You'd be like, oh, he's about to pistol whip Ukraine because it's like he went for the heart. He took the hardest thing to take first. And then all that's left is the wide open spaces of Ukraine.

And it's like, and that buddy fucked it up after that. But we all know. So the idea of trying to take a city, so you have 200,000 soldiers. Plus or minus, you know, and so out of that, you have maybe 70,000 combat troops. And then the rest are like rear echelon or support. And then you're trying to take five major cities at once. You need 200,000 guys for one city. So that's, I don't know, like looking back, that just didn't make any sense.

I understand they took Kyrsten pretty quick because the Ukrainians just ran. They were like, there's no way we're fighting this. We'll just go defend Odessa and. Mary Opal, after what? A hundred days just surrendered in them. Yeah, it's it's crazy. I mean, we talked about this and. In inside the group, but we haven't put this thought out into the ether.

The sacrifice of as of at Mary Opal. Yeah, or political game. Do you want to explain that? Me? Yeah. So. Since. 2014, 2015 timeframe, everyone always goes. There's this neo-Nazi unit running around in Ukraine. And so if you take one step further, you're like, OK, well, you know,

A's of that's the neo-Nazi guys, but they also have the black sun tattoos. And they have black sun patches on their uniforms. But to them, it's very traditional. Like, no, we're very Nordic. We're very historic base. We're not Nazis are like, cool. Can't really say that because you have all the same iconography of the Nazis. So if they're the ones doing nothing to do with Marines that were in Mary Opal.

But if Russia's whole idea of invading Ukraine is to get rid of Nazis and you're the organization that's been attributed to the Nazis. Politically speaking, it might be in your best interest interest just to kind of cut them off, even if even if they're not, even if they've been incorporated into the regular Ukrainian military, politically speaking, they're like, OK, we we can't be associated with these guys anymore. It's we got to lose them. And so. Losing Mary Opal and losing A's of.

Hey, Mary Opal is completely destroyed and only can live there, too. They lost A's of. Technically speaking and politically speaking, that's pretty good, because if you have this real antifa led organization going, no, I can't support Ukraine. They're harboring Nazis there. And then at that point, you can just take a logical leap and go, maybe the Russians are doing the right thing.

So it's. Yeah, that's it might be a tactical win after A's of got rounded up. Yeah, a political game. I mean, I think it's funny also because, I mean, that's a great point. You know, sacrifice to your your enemy to during war. But I think it's funny that the Ukrainians are trying to spin it as a win. Like, oh, we we. Distracted the Russians at Mary Opal for a hundred days.

And it's like you guys quit within 12 hours of being hit with white phosphorus. Which, by the way, for anybody who doesn't know, I'm not a bad ass. If I got hit with white phosphorus, the first white phosphorus round or explode near me, I'd part of it, say, like the French flag be waiving. I'd be surrendering. I'm not playing with white phosphorus. But I mean, it's like they defended all the way up to 86 days. And then the Russians started doing real war cry or not war crimes. It's just started riding the line with that white phosphorus.

Yeah, started using white phosphorus, which will burn you from the inside out. And then as I was like, all right, we're done. And I'm like, yeah. And then they're like, but we're going to spin it. Like we distracted you for 86 days. Like, brother, say what it is, man, you got you got hit with white phosphorus. You got shaken, baked like that's not a that's not a good time. And so it's not even close.

That is the farthest. They have the opposite of a good time. And it's like I think that it's kind of a disservice to sit there and say, like, oh, our job was to distract you. Like, I think by like month two of Azov and Mary Opal, you were seeing those videos of them in the BTRs, riding around and just shooting up T 72s and T 80s with a BTR. Like they were crushing it.

They were rewriting the book on urban warfare. Like in, I mean, we'll switch gears here for a second and talk about that too, I guess, but like Azov, like you just said, like, oh, they're neo-Nazis. No, they were a militia unit, one son's article written in 2014. Yeah, called a Ukraine's far right neo-Nazi paramilitary organization. Boom. After that, PR is dead.

It's yeah, you can't recover from that because everyone reads that. Yeah, you got to like, you got to go from being like an infantry unit to like a civil affairs unit. Like we don't do direct action anymore. We just hand out teddy bears like the teddy bear patch. Um, you got to change everything. Uh, no, I was going to say, like they went from being like a militia unit to a special operations unit and held their own against entire.

I want to say, like the divisions of Chechens and Russians. And they, they kind of rewrote the book on that one. I think we're going to see a lot of things come out of Mariupol. Um, like a lot of lessons learned because I mean, we have urban conflict in the form of Fallujah, um, Israelis talking about fighting, fighting in Gaza Strip or whatever. But I think as of, uh, really rewrote the book on, can you have a World War two bashed down completely encircled unit and how would that look?

How would you fight in a city? I mean, Steven pointed it out. There's catacombs in Mariupol that as of was using to run around, hide, pop out of the streets and shoot people and then go back underground. And I think for a little bit of time there, the US army was exploring a mega city, uh, training ground where like you'd have to fight somewhere like New York city or Los Angeles or Chicago, which the idea of having to fight street to street looking up, like, not like, oh, I got to look up

four stories. No, you got to look up 80 stories or you've got a clear entire sewer. Like, I mean, Stalingrad had some sewer lines, but I mean, like, I'm talking trains, man, like where you can move entire BTRs and MRAPs and Humvees underground. Like, I think we just saw how bad mega city fighting is with Mariupol. And it's not even a mega city. And it's, yeah, I mean, that's what's even crazier to me is somebody's going to have to go and clear that out of Russians too.

Like, somebody's got to go in and clear Mariupol. Like if I put a hundred bucks down that says Russia puts the Chechens there, they just like leave the Chechens and Mariupol and then like back out. And then like, maybe they can hold it. At this, I would be the move, right? Like we talked about like smart because if they're guerrilla for you fighting already, yeah, like I wouldn't say they're conventional fighters, but it's like, everyone always talks about Grosny.

Hey, want that? Dude, I was about to say, I mean, they're not the same Chechens that were in Grosny. They're all like pampered princesses now. But I mean, if you had real Chechens from the nineties fighting in Mariupol, I'd be, no, I'm not going in there. Fuck that. What nothing to do with that?

Yeah, I don't know if I told you, but I know a he, I know a, I know a guy, he's Russian and he was a Russian officer for two or three years. I mean, I remember this guy. Yeah. Yeah. So for the listeners, I know this guy met him at a bar and he was a Russian officer for two or three years. And last year got told he was going to Crimea or Kirch and he was like, yeah,

fuck that. So he went straight to Moscow and flew to the US and he was like, yeah, I just want to join the army. But he was like, yeah, the recruiting station goes, uh, do you know any other languages? He's like, I know Russian. I'm Russian. They're like, are you in any other military? He's like, I'm currently an officer in the Russian army.

They're like, okay, but I asked him when the war started and I asked him again recently, I was like, Hey, are the Russians going to stop? And he's like, no, he's like, they're going to keep going, even if they're losing, even if they know they're not going to win, they're just going to keep going because that's how the military structures presented is like, yeah, you don't stop, you just keep going. Their whole call sign right now is to Berlin, which is a threat to like a Soviet World War II era battle cry from Stalingrad.

They're like to Berlin. We're taking this all the way home and they're still saying that and waving those Soviet flags and he was like, yeah, it's not going to stop. They're just going to keep going. So I thought that was pretty cool. I mean, we saw that in Georgia. We saw it in Chechnya. I mean, they just kept, there was like a video somewhere out there in

live leaks, nothing anymore, but they talked that they did that. Like there was like a Russian tank commander who was ordered to go into Grozny and he knew it was a death sentence. And his friends like, don't follow the order. And he's like, motherfucker, I'm Russian. I have to follow the order. Like, I know I'm going to die. I know who I am, pal.

Like, it's in my blood and like, yeah, he's exactly right. That's a good point. Like, they're going to have to, they'll go until the last guy with a mozen and three shots is sent to the front line and like, they don't care. It's like, look at Harkov. They just stopped fighting there, knowing that absolutely everyone who was going into that city was going to die. And they were like, no, I guess, no, I guess I have to go to the city

to fight for absolutely no territorial tactical game. They were like, no, I was told to, it's kind of a job. No, that was it. Like very single track, perfect soldier, if you will. They're like, I guess I have to do this. Yeah. Perfect Marine. Perfect Marine.

Yeah. Yeah, up that beach. No, man. He's a little proud. Takes the most casualties in any other fighting force. That's why it's so few. We took Hill 573. Yeah.

Jesus. Did you see the Polish president Duda went to Ukraine today? No. Yeah. He's a. David, Ukrainians, your relatives, wives, parents, children who were forced to leave for Poland are not refugees in our countries. They are our guests.

He's like, he actually addressed parliament, the Ukrainian parliament, which is fantastic. But I think after this war is over, because Ukraine's like, we're not going to join NATO, but we never rescinded our package to join NATO in 2008. But I think after this is done, whatever is left or whatever happens, I think there is going to be a new subsection in NATO of like Slavic countries banding together, which would be cool to see. Like the Budapest, eight, I think.

And it's those eight. The Budapest, eight and block Eastern block countries that were Soviet satellites and now they're independent. And they're like, hey, France, not really a big fan of you. Don't tell me what to do. I know who the problem is. So there's all those satellites. It's like the Baltics and Romania and, you know, those guys.

Well, and I think one of them, they're like, no, we're going to band together. So they call it like the Budapest eight, but that's like the frontier of NATO. So it's almost like it's been a like a pseudo or quasi. Yeah, alliance or subgroup. But yeah, you're absolutely right that here in the future, it's going to, it's going to become a lot more solidified. Well, it's a, okay.

So I'm looking at a map right now. It'd be like Poland, Hungary, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. Yeah. Okay, I can see that, like the front, the Czech Republic, probably. I mean, I was, when I was in Afghanistan, I had a Polish special operations officer explain that to me, he's like, you know, they never really, they still fucking hate Germany because Germany is still trying to take over Europe, but they're doing it through economics, right?

Like they're, they're trying to win by, they're trying to win civilization by the economy, right? Like we are the biggest producer in the EU. We get to do whatever we want. And I think I've explained before on this show that countries like Germany and Italy have taken over roles in NATO actions to use that as leverage when the United States goes to like G seven summits or NATO summits or whatever. Germany has that like, well, we helped you in Afghanistan.

We took all of the northern provinces. And then if you ask anybody, it's like, well, you did shit for all there. Buddy, but yeah, it's funny about the Germans in northern Afghan, because they went up there to the old Northern Alliance territory and hunkered down and claimed victory where there was no combat. And they were like, yeah, I don't know what the Americans issue are down in the south. Yeah.

Oh, the Brits and the helmet, they're having a hard time with who? Yeah, they would say, dude, oh my God, the Brits got like the hardest. But it's got the most difficult region. And then they gave it to the Marines, who had the most ferocious of times. Yeah, camp Leatherneck. Like it's not a good time. Like even after I left that, I was still learning things like the fact

that like saying in Helman had never been stabilized ever. Not in 20 years. They're the British through the Marine Corps, through everything. Nobody had sat there and been like, OK, saying in province and helmet is safe, like never. They were all like, Jesus, don't go in there. Like, and so, but meanwhile, the Germans pound for pound. The best fighters in the world are the British army.

And within that, it's the British Royal Marines. And if they couldn't do it, I don't think anyone could. It was which is also funny that the Germans always dog on the Americans and NATO, they're like, I don't know. I guess it's such a hard time. My tour is pretty simple. We lost two guys in 20 years. They're like, yeah, go fuck yourself, dude.

Yeah, dude. Oh, my God. We could talk about that forever. But I mean, yeah, I could. Jesus Christ, I could. I can see. Germans like the most mischievous people in the next door is the most paranoid people in Europe, the Polish. They are something else.

So like there's a book about them like being like a hidden treasure. Like they're like their economy is solid, their government is. It's good. You know, there's not as much corruption as like you'd see in like far, farther Eastern European countries. And I mean, but that's just because of the Soviet Union and the problems that that's created. But it's like Poland is probably going to be a superpower here

in the next 10 years, especially if they get to help rebuild Ukraine and like become partners. And like, I mean, it's kind of like the Marshall plan after World War Two, where America helped rebuild, destroyed Europe. And it ushered in what is called the golden age of capitalism, where like one job could get afford you a house and two cars. It was because Europe was buying American labor and products at a premium to help rebuild the country as fast as possible

to help fight the Soviet Union. And I think if Poland kind of stiff arms, it would be actually great if the Budapest, eight, you called them, actually did like a Marshall plan with Ukraine, where it's like the Baltic triplets, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, all were like, no, us Slavs are going to rebuild Ukraine. And then you just have this boom in the economy. And Poland can tell Germany to shut the fuck up. He's so great.

What's interesting about Poland is they've prided themselves for years about they have they have no domestic terrorism. There's no Islamic Concernancy in their country. They don't take any immigrants. That's really cool. Remember back in it was election season last year in Europe? It was like November time frame. And the COVID like bailout fund was coming out for the EU

and the polls built their 10 year governmental plan on this EU bailout. And the EU went, oh, you have to take an immigrant if you want to do this. And they're like, absolutely not. We're not doing that. They're like, well, you don't get any money until you take an immigrant. And then out of nowhere, five thousand caucus or Caucasians just are dumped on the border of Belarus and Belarus is giving them notepads. We're like, this is how you get to Warsaw.

So it almost forced Poland's hand to bend the knee, essentially. And kind of corroded their. What's a good term? Almost because their identity has been like, no, we don't take shit from anyone. And they had to, even if they had to open their borders to get to Germany, you still had the same issue where now they're like, we support Ukraine. We'll give them planes. I don't want my fingers on these.

So if you could meet me in Germany and then the Americans sign the paperwork and you pick it up from them and fly over Poland, then you can have it. It's Poland's been put in a real weird position right now because they want to be completely self-reliant. But then you have Germany next door. They're like, not happening, chief. What are you doing? Yeah, because they know because that's how I like it.

Germany is trying to be number one in the EU, but it's like. It really is like a liberal Germany versus like a conservative Poland. And I think if the the Budapest eight actually teamed up and became the Budapest nine with Ukraine, oh, my God, like Germany would. It'd be like Eastern Europe. It might actually be a way to fracture NATO, right? Like you have Eastern NATO and you have Western NATO. And it's like having.

What about let's even bring in a picture, Finland and Sweden? I don't think they would. I don't think they would join. I don't think they would. I don't think they would want to be with the Eastern Ukraine or the Eastern Europeans. You want anything to do with Poland because they are very progressive and they are very modern and Poland keeps regressing.

Not culturally, but. Geopolitically, they're like, what was Bush doing in 2000? I'm going to do that. Yeah, yeah. Jesus, I mean, it's right. You're going to have the good with the bad. I mean, I think that. You know, like Poland has a great military that's worth a damn.

But then it's like, you know, like you said, they're like bringing back the Bush era of conservatism. Germany has these great benefits and socialist safety nets, like health care for all food, I mean, housing, all. I mean, their social network is great. It's amazing. But at the same time, their army is not worth a fucking. Two things when we're looking at this, where Germany has this

phobia of being pointed as the bad guy because they have two World Wars under their belt and they're going to yes. So hey, they started both those and they didn't really look good. And any time there's any parade for the German army, any time there's any fessy or anything, even the word Nazi is like kind of like jokingly thrown in their direction. They completely doubled down. They're like, no, that is not who we are.

But you know, they're trying to run Europe. But then on the other hand, you have Poland, who's been known as Europe's punching bag for about 3,000 years. And now they're in a position where they could start calling the shots. And they're like, no, I don't give a shit. So it's almost in the same position as like Germany in 1910, where they're like, I'm going to do whatever I want. You can't tell me what to do.

Mm hmm. I mean, they've relied on other other countries have told them what to do. Right. Like in World War Two, they were like, yeah, well, we'll do what you're saying, we'll fucking, you know, Britain and. We're so uprising sounds like a good idea. Yeah, like we trust you, Britain and France. You'll come to our aid. Never happened. Never happened.

Like in Germany and Russia, cutting them up into pieces. I mean, Poland pretty much has to be on its own. In Market Garden, you had what? The Polish Brigade and the Brits were like, OK, we're going to use you to go cease the bridge at Ramagan and it was the the entire Polish Brigade was just annihilated just still in the air. The Germans were like, oh, shit, who's this and just blew him out of the sky with her 88s.

And so the Polish any combat experience Polish soldier was gone. Like that was it. Like the Poles have been. And then, you know, the Soviet era, they were put into that real tough iron thumb. And after liberation of the nineties, they're like, what do we do? We can do anything. What do we want to do? I don't want to do what we were doing ever again. Yeah, I mean, they can't nobody's ever fucking like anybody telling Poland

like, don't worry, we'll be there for you. They're like, yeah, you and who? Like it's always been Poland on its own. So I don't blame them. I mean, they're telling they are an ally. They are part of the EU. They are part of NATO. But them being that drunk uncle that shows up to the party, like,

you can't tell me what to fucking do. They have every right to be that guy. Like what's my Polish soldier at a bar in Nashville? And we were hanging out and he was like threatening to fight people. But the whole time he kept saying, don't fuck with me. I don't like violence. It was like, what are you doing?

Yeah, I was like, what are you doing? Dude, he was like, I've been to Afghanistan. I know what war is like. Don't fuck with me. I don't like war. It was like, I was like, is that the perfect poll or what? Yeah, everybody who's ever been to Kuwait, don't fuck with me. I deployed like, what the fuck? But no, it's

it's so crazy to think about like this, this whole whatever comes out after this Ukrainian war with NATO and the EU, it's going to be fucking crazy. So like it's what a time to be alive. Did you see earlier today? I think it was there yesterday. Where the crown just got reelected and his whole thing was helping Ukraine. And he hasn't talked about it since getting reelected in that one of his

political advisers came out or like one of his cronies and government came out and said, yeah, it's going to take about 20 years for Ukraine to join the EU. So he's really want to be a part of the EU. It's going to take 15 to 20 years. So they better they better buckle up. I was like, well, the friends already sold them out. That was that was quick. I mean, yeah, do whatever you can to get reelected.

But dude, that's that's actually pretty starting to get pretty common, right? Like we're starting to see the mainstream media kind of paint the narrative of like, OK, come on, Ukraine, just, you know, give give Russia a little bit, man. Just come on. Just give them Donbass and Crimea and we'll call it even. God, just stop. Well, stop it. They really did better not fucking touch Ukraine. I swear to God. And now they're like, can you just give them what they want?

I don't want to see this on my feet anymore. It's like going to the mall in Pentagon City and having people go, do you have a moment to talk about Ukraine? I'm like, do you have a moment to point it out on a map? What was that one general that sat there? It's like, you know, America is at the mall, you know, the armies at war. And it's the same. I mean, welcome to the Thunderdome, Ukraine.

Like you wonder why every global war on terror that has PTSD and like problems assimilating back into American culture. It's been what, 90 days of war for Ukraine and the American populace is fucking over it. They're like, yeah, that was fun. Let's go back to like exactly like you said, like, who's ready to do summer? Beach, Bod, covid's gone, you know, like. It's why I also think it's because the Americans are so burnt out on everything

because we have the Gulf War. That was a kick ass 100 hours. Right. That was really cool. And nothing happened in the 90s. We had 9, 11, 9, 12. Everyone's super, super excited to be American. By about 2006, they were like, are we still doing this now? It's 2022. They're like, we're still doing this. I mean, we talked about before that.

I don't think a lot of people knew we were still in Afghanistan until we left. And it's not because they knew we were leaving. It's because people were falling off planes and they were like, oh, shit. Is that what we're doing over there? Like, yeah, it's crazy when Ukraine goes off. They're like, can you please just get this over with? Like I said, it's like, welcome to the Thunderdome. If you get like you get 100 hours of like really good support

and then you get 90 days of OK support. But by day 120, this shit better be over because like, you know, I got I got my things I got to get back to. And I'm not going to sit here and think about Ukraine for six months. Like I thought about Iraq for a whole total of nine months. OK. So. So that's the talk about Saddam Hussein. And I watched the Big Lebowski nine times. I just really I was super patriotic, not going over there.

But I promise you, I'm here for you. Oh, Jesus, David. But I mean, that's we're the same way, right? Like I don't care about some people like every day. All they absorb is like Hollywood drama, Hollywood feed or some. I mean, there's guys who enjoy golf and the PGA tour. And it's like, I know the one guy who smoked like two packs of cigarettes and twenty one coax, like that's the only thing I care about. But it's like that's very impressive.

That is a godly impressive. But I mean, it's like the American Americans all care about different things and we'll come together for like a total of 30 days to care about one thing. But after that, it better be done. So like you only got like I said, you got 120 days max and then I'm I'm quitting. That's that's crazy to think about. I also want to throw out there that. If everyone receives their information from like mainstream media

or they're really really competitive and passionate about a golfer who rips seventy darts and is completely smashed while golfing, which is very fun. I would like to watch that. But number two, these little Instagram pages on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and all those are getting absolutely blown into oblivion. They're getting close to quantum realm. It's it's insane. It's metas coming down to the point where if you use the word war, your band.

It's crazy. Yeah, we're going to talk about that five hundred times. At least I was going to say, we're going to talk about the shadow man. The shadow band is real. It's pretty crazy because everyone's like, I want to know about what's going on in Ukraine and you can't really see it. You know, right? Of talking all since Six Beers Deep ranting about

Hazel Lensky's cousins, you know, George Zora's son. Oh, Jesus. It's it's it's crazy. Um, so kind of take a back step on that. Brandon Hurra, the A.K. guy, probably was the first because we kind of noticed it right like two months ago, two or three months ago. It happened. We froze it like twenty point eight thousand followers on the Instagram page.

And then it goes from like twenty point eight and it sits about that. And if it's like weird, it gets like a big wave and then it'll be axed a hundred people and then it'll get DMs going. Hey, I was forcefully unfollowed on your page. Just want to let you know something's up. I was like, thank you. That and well, so yeah, two months ago, they but let's let's do the targeting thing, right?

Fine, fix, finish. So two months ago, everything kind of froze. And then forty Instagram pages. It was about forty to forty five. I think is what Brandon Hurra said were completely deleted, like millions and millions of followers on these pages that were FFL carriers were deleted and it was in the span of like thirty six hours. So like every hour they were finishing somebody.

So I think what they did is like we talked about they threw everybody who had like anything about the Ukrainian war, covid information regarding guns and violence and anything like that. And they just put them into a bucket and then they started being like, OK, now that they're in the shadow grand bucket, which one of these hits every single thing that we don't want on the platform? And then they went through those and then they completely deleted them. I mean, Brandon Hurra, who had like, I think it was a million followers on his page,

just they deleted it and they were like, there will be no probation. There will be no trying to appease the metagods to get this page back like you are done and kind of goes back to what we were talking about in the first place. It's like midterms are coming up in like six months. And so it's kind of going to be rough. The Republicans have all that money and the left has all the support. It's it's interesting because you said it earlier and I don't want to get too political, but Donald Trump has these rallies

in like Columbus, Ohio with millions of people. Everyone shows up, but no one talks about it. It's it's crazy. It's crazy to think about. But then was it Project Veritas comes out and they. They honeypot a Twitter executive. They're like, oh, no, no, we are very communist here. We do not believe in anything even remotely close to being hinted as rights. And so it's it's insane. Jesus.

That that that was the Elon Musk thing, right, that you showed. And I was like, this one must has ass burgers. He has a funny accent. I'm like, he's from South Africa. That's why he has an accent. But. But that that was real, like that was that's legit. Like 100 percent real, where I think it was two or three of them. And it was one of the, you know, the top figureheads in Twitter.

And they're like, no, we're all communists here. We do not believe in anything conservative. And if you support free speech, you are not a part of the Twitter team. And we are very afraid that. And they were trying to do the same thing where they said, like, oh, Elon Musk is a mean Lord and online Nazis like him. So we don't want our platform being flooded with Nazis. And you're like, what?

But yeah, those are the it's the same thing with like Metta and Twitter or. What's what's another big one? I was about to say, Metta is Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp. I'm surprised they don't own Twitter, but it's. Yeah. So if they're the ones running everything on the corner, they're absolutely banning every single page for using the word Putin. It's midterms are going to be interesting. And then after that, I think you're right that the conservatives are going to get

elected and they're like, I don't care about Ukraine. OK, if I see blue and yellow together, I'm going to kick you out. That's who that's so I don't like I said, midterms are coming up. And so it's it's knives out right now. But that's correct. But that is crazy to me because it's just midterms, right? Like it's just Congress getting reelected or moving, you know, musical chairs. Imagine what it's going to be like when we do the next presidential election.

I mean, there's people out there right now with bets that. Trump's going to get elected again. And it's not like I'm here for it or against it or whatever. But what I'm trying to say is like that dude is coming back with a war chest. He's already kind of picked who he wanted to run for Congress and trying to boost people into the House and stuff. But it's like if liberal businesses are already taking heads to the shopping acts and getting rid of them and Trump has one hundred and ten

million dollars as of February, it's like, dude, this next presidential election is going to be fricking crazy. I don't know. Like what I mean, this is midterms and it's already getting stupid. What are we going to do in two years when it's like, you know, one hundred and ten million dollars worth of sixteen was such a wild time. And that's before the like meta and all those companies went, oh, we can actually influence things.

So and that was a bloodbath. Cannot wait for 2024. Oh, that's going to be insane. How many? Well, that's the thing. How many like because we got shut down, right? I mean, not shut down, but like we are fighting in the trenches right now. And like I said, it's just midterms. When the presidential election comes around, how many YouTube

celebrities, Instagram, news pages, all these things are just going to get like millions of dollars, probably a billion. Yeah, probably somewhere in the billions worth of Instagram celebrities, influencers, news sites, not. Let's let's use the community, right? Like Atlas News, like Atlas News is kind of like the harbinger of like all these Instagram news pages when twenty twenty four rolls around and meta sees that there's this website with all these

want to be guys like us who are just trying to do news and information reporting, it's like, oh, we got to shut that down. We got we got like we're going to follow Atlas and he followed Atlas's backup. So Joe Rogan knows him. Oh, yeah, he's he's getting. Cancelled into oblivion for. Essentially, just doing what he does. He's like, you know, have the Tim Poulon with the director of Twitter.

It's just a little rant. And they're like, yeah, not not not happening. Chief Chief called says not happening. So that's the. And it's just midterms and saying it's just the way the world works is so crazy. And it makes me want to buy as many books as possible. I'm a book store. Yeah, it's like I keep saying it's just midterm.

It's going to Donald Trump is not back on Twitter. Donald Trump is not running for reelection. There Rob DeSantis isn't trying to take on Biden yet. It's just midterms. It's just musical chairs happening right now. And people people are getting shit canned over it. We're we're fighting a shadow band. Like it is going to be insane.

Billions, billions of dollars are going to go out the window for people. It's good. It's kind of like, you know, like YouTube. Like every two to three years, a new generation of YouTube stars comes up. And it's like, I think 2024 is going to be like the great purge of all that stuff. You're going to have new YouTube celebrities on YouTube, like academic agent. Yeah, it's very analytical about the way he talks and his. Ashes of civilization story where he starts off with Detroit and then Birmingham.

And then I'm surprised he's still up and running because. He's out here just throwing black pills at everybody. Yeah, he's he'll be the first guy. He'll be the first casualty. Actually, who's our who's the top five casualties of the 20? Like top five people across the board. But they're going to get just popular front. Popular front is going to get shot.

He's going to die heroically in the 2024 election. Atlas news. He's dead. Yeah. That's going to be like an agent on YouTube. Probably a probably Intel Doge on Twitter. If we're naming you, it's because you're good. I'm sorry, but if if if we're calling you out right now, it's because you're too good at your job and you're going to get sucked. It's like if you were a sass or if there was not a assassination attempt on you.

Did you do a good job? Yeah, that's exactly what we're counting down right now. Who would be a good fit? OK, so if you can't. So let's let's put ourselves in the shoes. Right. Like I can't get Joe Rogan. I can't take out Joe Rogan. Who do you take out instead? Alex Jones is already gone.

Like he's done Ben Shapiro, maybe. I mean Ben Shapiro. Oh, we're talking. So I was thinking like these the rink and dink little pages like. Oh, no, they're going to make no mistake about it. Like they're dead. They're like, but I mean, like you know, it makes sense. Everything associated with the daily wire.

Like who's the other one? The turning point USA guy. Oh, yeah, he's a Kali Kirk or whatever. The little guy guy with a big head with a little face with a little face. Yeah, um, dude, he's gone. You're dead. Ron DeSantis, his Twitter, probably going to get nuked. Oh, you. Oh, you think the Twitter is going to go first? I will.

Yeah, his Twitter would. You can rant more on Twitter. Yeah, you can't really rant on Instagram. I think that would be like 2023. That's when we're going to see the first shot fired. Like Ron DeSantis Twitter page is just going to get headshot. Just bam. And it's like, game on.

And I think I've seen in the community is pages on. Twitter, Instagram are getting reported for child endangerment. And you can take that as well. And after that, like you can't recover. It's, oh, regardless, if you posted a picture of Thompson tank engine or a ASOV, BTR, absolutely owning a Russian T-72, it gets flagged for child endangerment and that's it. Like, oh, your child, your, your page is a harmful to children.

And it's done. Like you can't recover and you can try to fight it. They're like, no, but someone thought that it could be taken that way. So. And so there's like that, what is it? That weird army of bots or trolls or whoever. They're like, who are we targeting today? Direct attack on Alex Jones.

Sounds good. Anthony Kumiya, the comedian on Twitter. Every time he makes one, it gets, he gets just, they find him so fast and they delete his ass. I think, I think we're going to see Sam Hyde eat one too. You know, just like, just because he lost his clip. He lost his Twitter. So, yeah, his Twitter was, um, he had a Twitter for a few years

and he didn't use it. And as soon as that, like, I dub's creator clash thing came out and they said Sam Hyde was a, like a credible liability or something. Yeah, they, they joke that he's like a mass shooter all the time. Well, yeah, yeah. Every time there's a mass shooting, they're like, his name is Sam Hyde and the ghost of Kiev is like Nikolai Samir al-Hajid or something. Like it's so funny.

But yeah, Sam Hyde takes one. Nick Mullen, he's a, he's gone. Shane Gillis, Don, like, he's just comedians at this point. It's anyone who's funny. I, what do you do after that? Like we're, we're kind of talking, we've talked about that a little, but it's like, what do you do after that? After you've amassed like 20 to 100 to 200,000 followers and like you quit

your job and open a new site and do all these things. And you pull in a little extra cash. And just because a sign of the times you get absolutely zucked and crushed. It's like, OK, now what? Like, it's not like you could start over and make your own, your own organization that you can't get publicity on Facebook because they're going to ban you because they have the algorithms citing out Atlas news. Like it's insane.

I don't even know, I don't even know where to go with that. Like, OK, so like Atlas, Atlas did a really smart move. He made the website, right? But it's like, like you said, you can't promote it on the big, the big ones like Facebook or Instagram, Twitter. I mean, we just found out they're commie booze. I mean, you could try Reddit, but at the same time, there's not like. So war zone, because it's their first big one to buckle when it came down

to like their minds. I mean, yeah, that's a whole story for another day. We could just have a whole pot talking about social media and how it's absolutely atrocious. But anyways, it's atrocious for like freethinking and all that. They're not as like freethinking, but it's like, if you wanted to make money or you wanted to get, you know, like, I really love open source intelligence or like AFV recognition, that dude, like he's probably one of the best tank identifiers I've ever seen. Like he should be a CIS.

Yeah, he should be a CIS set, honestly. But it's like you could you could sell shirts and do all these things. And then it's like, well, not exactly. And then he gets crushed and it's like, OK, now that that, you know, what is he supposed to do? You know, it's like the social media network is crushing him. Like take this square and push it into a circle. Like, you don't like tanks.

You like trucks now. Like, what am I supposed to do? Well, so even someone is just so out there, like, Tiotas of war, where he just takes pictures of Tiotas in Syria or Libya or Botswana, and he's like, oh, this is a 1976 Toyota. And he's he's been shadow banded to oblivion. He even had like a military times interview, I think. Well, like, why are you doing this? And he's like, I like Tiotas, right?

I like I like Tiotas shows up to a combat. So like. Oh, man. All right. I think we're getting close to the end, but I'll end it with a fucking phenomenal story. The last unit I was in was a soft unit. You could order those Toyota Hilux trucks. And for those who don't know, the Toyota Hilux is the creme de la creme of guerrilla fighters.

You can put a big old 50 cal on the back of it. Ride down Benghazi and do all the terrorist actions you need with a Toyota Hilux small. We can go on boats and helicopters and planes. It's pretty affordable. And the American military sometimes buys them for trucks to get around for our guerrilla forces to use and stuff like that. Now, the thing about the Toyota Hilux is it's driving steering wheel.

Isn't on the left side. It's on the right side. Some soldier I knew. Bought this thing, bought a Toyota Hilux using American funds. Got the car in the middle of the night, drove it to a port. Got it shipped back to the States and took a cab back to the base just in time for like morning. So they never knew this truck had arrived or whatever.

So they just like wrote it off the books. He's driving around on Fort Campbell, like two years later. Cops pull him over because he's speeding on base. They look at him and they're like, why is the steering wheel on the right side? Right. And it's like the plates are good. It's registered in Tennessee. But when they open the car door, it's got a military serial number on it.

That motherfucker had a Toyota Hilux button paid for by the U.S. government. And you almost have the left window with surprise. What's up? It's like, that's big old, huh? Yep. See you later. You know, step out of the car. Well, what do you? All right, man. Yeah, this is a bit of fun one. We'll have to do one here soon where we just talk about reddit

and meta and Twitter and all that. Oh, God, really good shadow, man. Yeah, it'll be a good time. But all right, thanks for coming on and I'll talk to you later, man. Later.