Kitbag Conversations - Episode 31: Tales From The Grid Square

Episode Date: November 22, 2022

Hey all, this week a community favorite Tales From The Grid Square (@tales_from_the_gridsquare) and I chatted the paranormal, incredibly dull and bizarre situations revolving around the military. A couple highlights are: -Why he started the page -Fun stories from our own experience -Interesting stories what he has received -Alot of Bigfoot talk -And his recently published book If you would like to purchase a copy of his first book, "Tales From The Grid Square: Vol one", you can find it here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZL9BQ1D/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_DW69FAYZCGNZJM8SXBQR 

Hey everyone! So after a very brief hiatus, I am back on the podcast, thank you for listening or staying long as long as you have. This week I am joined by Tails from the Grid Square, you might have seen him, he's very spooky, he wrote a book recently, he's very interesting. Some of them work unique pages on the platform, so hey man, how are you doing today? Hey, how's it going? I'm excited to be on, you know, we've been talking about a while for this and I'm glad

we've finally got to take a work. I'm very excited, I know we've talked about this for a while, we tried to plan a Hawaii or not a Hawaii, a Halloween one and it didn't quite line up between the two of us which is completely fine but as long as we're talking man, that's all that matters. Oh yeah, you know, honestly I tell people too, a lot of people are surprised about this but I'm not a big Halloween guy, it's not my favorite holiday. Oh yeah, it's kind of not shocking but surprising to a lot of people. I'm more of a Christmas guy, that's my December time frame, that's my favorite time of year.

Really, so right now it's kind of fall out, you know, you're in Hawaii I know but I don't know your background or anything but you know, snow starts falling, you get a little cozy, everyone's sitting inside, start reading books, you know, probably your book, I don't know but it's more cozy, it's more quiet. Oh yeah, no, my favorite time of year is when we hit that November time frame all the way up until about, I'll say like, maybe middle of March, like right when it's still kind of crispy, you know, yeah, right before it all becomes gray and mush, it's kind of crisp outside.

Yeah, I love that time frame but. So I mean, for those who don't know, so what's the background, like what is the, who is, tales from the grid square, because I know your whole thing is scary stories from the military but I mean, are you mill background or are you, you know, anything for the listeners in the back end? Oh yeah, sure, yeah, so I'm a military, so I still am. Still in the army, been in the army seven years now, been all over the place, upstate New York, Fort Lee, Virginia, out in Hawaii now, had a pretty interesting, pretty boring

career, I'll say it like that, not interesting. I'm not really some cool guy, special forces type, like some people think I am, I'm just a regular army dude doing just boring, regular support stuff but I've had like a long time interest in the paranormal ever since I was a kid, like I ate that stuff up, Bigfoot, UFOs, loved UFO stuff for a long time, ghosts, anything weird and kind of like that, like fringe, not that, I guess fringe is the wrong word but like paranormal aspect of society, always had a huge interest in that, grew up around the military and all that and you know, during COVID there are some other pages that every like Tuesday or Thursday they did

like a story on their Instagram, like all the Mill Mean pages that are out there, they would collect, they'd repost people's like stories, like just screenshots of what they got and some of them were pretty interesting and some of them were pretty surprising, what was more surprising was that there was more than two and then so fast forward about a year later I go do an exercise down at Fort Polk and at Fort Polk, the listeners that don't know, Fort Polk has like kind of this unofficial legend surrounding it where basically there's just weird stuff that happens out in the training area, which is like a massive training area for the army to use to pretend like they're going to war and it's everything from like

UFOs, to ghosts, to orbs, weird weather phenomena, shadow people, even Sasquatch and Dogran, all sorts of weird stuff happens out there and so I went out there and while my experiences were fairly, like in my opinion, kind of lame, they're not like super exciting, like I didn't get fucked, like fight Bigfoot, nothing like that, like, you know, or I didn't get like attacked by a skinwalker, but it got me thinking and I started asking around and finding out that like there's people that have in the service that have had like some weird experiences, whether that was, you know, here at home, like on training or out at sea, deployed somewhere on the sea or you know, in Iraq, Afghanistan. And so one night I had a couple

beers and I just was like, I had this drunken idea, like what if I start this page where I try to collect people's stories from the service, like where they're in the military and repost them because you know, we all know like, you know, in the regular world, if you see something kind of crazy, you don't, sometimes your hesitant to share that because people just might think you're crazy or you're making it up. So you kind of keep it close to heart and it's like, I feel like a double effect in the military because then, you know, you don't want people questioning, are you mentally sound to do your job? So then I had this idea with this page, like it would be anonymous. So like it would be you, I would never divulge

like your name unless you wanted it like that. I would keep it completely anonymous. We would, you know, keep it tell this, you would send me a story and it was the detail that you wanted. I may ask her a couple of questions in an interview to maybe get a little bit more detail about like the incident itself, but never about like who you were, or if like you want to just keep it vague, like I was an infantry unit in Iraq or something like that, you know, whatever people were comfortable with sharing. And then I would repost it. And of course, it wouldn't be tied to them except for the people that know. And so I started it, didn't really know where I was going to take it. I was able to start getting some stories coming in

with the help of a lot of the mill meme community of people that run like different pages. And then I was lucky enough to get on Sasquatch Chronicles and the Confessionals podcast and produce some like really good episodes for them that were really popular amongst the listener group. And it really helped like take off my entire this entire project. And it's actually way more successful than I ever thought it would be. And then I got the idea, I have all these stories and like, what do I do with all these stories? You know, there's all there's plenty of podcasts out there. There's lots of podcasts, I personally, and full time in the military. And at the moment in my current position, it's extremely difficult for me to produce something that's quality like

your own podcast. You know, so I thought how can I like get these stories out to people who would may want maybe want to enjoy them. And I don't know if you're familiar with Nick Ladelaw of Battles and Beers. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I ran into him because, you know, kind of our pages kind of intersect. And a lot of themes like most of the people that tell me like crazy stories when they're at war also have crazy stories in real life or stories that they send to him. And he was when he released his book, it really got my idea is going like, I should release a book like all these stories that people have, you know, put them on paper. And then it's like it's there. It's like it's preserved, you know, like no matter what, if like every single

digital document was destroyed, my pages destroyed today, like I still have a print a copy of Tales from the Great Square on my bookshelf, you know, and like all those stories are now recorded for time, just like his. And he was actually been a huge mentor for me. And it's helped me coach, coach me up along the way of like, actually building the book and how to format it and set it up. And, you know, I did everything myself from there. And boom, Tales from the Great Square volume one was put out. Yeah, I've talked to Nick a few weeks ago, and he is definitely one of those. He knows what he's doing. Like, I mean, his background, oh, my run, where it was like, what if I wrote a book and boom, just took off. And you certainly have a very large following

on the platform. And it's one of those where I mean, when I first started reading your stuff, I went, like the Giants of Kunar, I heard about this when I was a Lance Corporal seven years ago. And so I didn't know anyone actually accumulated this information, which is really funny. But Oh, yeah. And like, that's like the, you know, the hilarious part is there's always the people the naysayers and like, you know, skeptics, that's totally cool. Like I'm all about like skepticism, because that's how we we actually find what's, you know, what's really happening. And I always tell people like, I can't verify any of these stories, you know, I'm just a regular Pogue, that's never been in the combat. Right. So like, you know, you tell me a story in Afghanistan.

And somebody else is like, Oh, that's not the correct detail. I'm like, well, I'm not going to know. And like, neither are you. So I always tell people at best, take the stories for being true. At worst, they're entertaining fiction. You know, I can't verify if they're true or false or what happened or what actually happened. But I take everything somebody sends me at face value as like a true story. Every now and again, I catch one that I just read and I'm just like sus or like nice try. I read this on no sleep 10 years ago, because I've been a long time lurker on no sleep and 4chan and green text and stuff like that. Well, you're like, this is a rebranded Russian sleep experiment. I know what this is.

Oh, yeah, I had one somebody sent me one that was it was the what's it was a green text from back in the day. That was like a creepypasta. And I can't remember what it was exactly called, but it was basically like dudes in the skinless man in Afghanistan that only like certain people can see. I don't know if you've ever read that one. Yeah, so I mean, I've heard of the Benadryl guy if you drink if you eat so many Benadryls, you'll see a the hat of man is up as they call him. Dude, the hat man is real. Don't don't don't knock it man. Like, if you look into the hat, I mean, I haven't tried it myself, but Well, yeah, so like the hat man is funny, kind of like a side side jab is like the hat man is one

of those things that's either a mass hallucination or a singular entity that people keep seeing. Like even my wife, who is not into the paranormal and doesn't believe in most of the stuff I talk about at all, and it's very big skeptic. She as a kid saw the hat and what is like now she told me a story about how she would see this shadow like all black shadow of a man in like a duster in the fuller hat standing in her house staring at her and her sister while they played and like she would the way that she described it was like the key like that's the hat man like hunt like you saw the hat man and I would show her pictures of like what people depicted the hat man as and she's like that's what I saw that's exactly what I saw. And so it's like even goes to show like you know

how crazy this world could really be. She had never heard of the hat man until this until this moment. There's no way that she could have thought it up. It's one of the bizarre especially when it comes to the hat man because I was you know just casually listening to the PKA a few weeks ago when they were talking about the hat and where some guy took something like 50,000 milligrams of Benadryl and he was like I want to meet the hat man and essentially you know created his own um mental he he ruined his brain essentially it's like trying to meet this guy but he was like oh yeah I interacted with the hat man and he was real and blah blah blah and I was going alright so this guy intentionally went there destroyed his brain but I mean he confirmed

the hat man is real because he saw it on you know read it and thought this would be funny but yeah I don't I don't recommend taking that much Benadryl I knew a guy that did that when I was uh you know a young guy back in the day living in the barracks and um he took so much Benadryl you would have like these insane lucid dreams where I wouldn't say he was sleepwalking but you could have full-on conversations and nonsense with this man and he would never remember any of it like you could punch him straight in the face and he would not wake up. I remember when I was in the jokey sky it was a it was a weightlifter himself and uh he had like back pain so he took something like he drank the whole bottle and like well it was like I'm gonna go to bed but but then woke up

the next day he had no idea what robo tripping was or anything woke up the next day just completely lucid he said he was he felt like he was floating he went to work he was like it was surreal I was cognizant but I could not respond to anything and this is an intel analyst the second was one of those bizarre like he walked into work and his his you know staff officer was like go home so I uh I can say I've only been there once when uh I uh I have extremely lucid dreams when I get stressed out I've come to learn fun fun fact about myself right um but uh you know my lucid dreams can get so bad they like they're they're insane like and uh when I went to talk to the doc originally the docs were like dude you're having night terrors and I'm like oh just sit there like

how I haven't had never had anything traumatic happen to me I've had a pretty boring life but basically they gave me medication to like uh for night terrors and I stopped taking that after like a month because like same thing like you described like if you if nobody's ever dissociated before uh I do not recommend it I would literally go through the entire day and like I called it browning out like you don't black out but like you kind of like it feels like you take a step back and you're just watching your body you go through the motions and you're like you're just not in control and then you suddenly come to and like you're like half you're like taking a step into a humby and fall and bust your forehead on the seat or something like that you're like whoa where's

this going oh I was like what the fuck or you know I think one time the scariest moment was uh I took the meds I went to sleep and I shit you know I was walking back into my room like like we're talking like almost 16 to 18 hours later uh walking back into my room dropping because I was on deployment uh dropping my bag and I just stood there like I took a deep breath like what the fuck just happened I have no idea I have I like apparently went through the whole day with just meetings and all this and I had no recollection of ever doing that I disassociated so bad that's funny the uh you know I've never had a situation like that a few years ago I was still in the military and I was in Japan at the time it was in Okinawa because I guess you know

from my background I was a Marine and I was in Okinawa and I had a few beers the night before and I woke up the next morning kind of hung over so I was like okay so um I'm gonna have a few painkillers and I'm gonna take some pre-workout I'm gonna go to the gym and I felt like I was levitating just I felt like I was just coasting like not a single thought was had that entire morning I was just you know floating around throwing weight around probably at that point for some of the most uh significant weight I've thrown up in the gym went back to the barracks sat down I was like Jesus Christ I need a water I need a Gatorade some some propel or something because it's like yeah that that lucid cognizant uh daydreaming is insane

yeah don't don't recommend not cool what I do want to mention I don't know if you've heard about this is when I went to Japan and I was stationed there for a little bit there was a lot of the younger Marines and the Air Force kids that had a dream journal because they had in their own words the most detailed dreams of their entire life and they believed it had something to do with maybe the water in Japan or the environment or something in the soil or whatever but I mean in my own experience I had the most detailed dreams of my entire life living in that island and some kids were right writing up these uh like dream journals as corny as it sounds dude just to keep everything intact and they would set alarms and

wake up in the middle of the night and write everything down and go back to sleep and and then they wake up and they were like I have this whole collection of lifetimes I've lived and sometimes they were like oh I was in world war two a few weeks ago in this dream and I was like that's unreal that's insane oh wow you mean the fact that one of the most cursed places in the entire world like dude that's fucking wild I don't I don't write down that for a minute oh fuck yeah oh dude really oh you're at Fuji then huh no I was uh I was on Schwab I was on that male prison colony on top of the island but yeah there was there was so much going on I mean the suicide cliffs were just down the road it's a small island so I mean oh yeah you're mingling with so much

history in one hilarious dude yeah that I was actually so many mentioned that on my deployment when I was getting my crazy lucid dreams now you might be honest something here uh where I was ah it wasn't really deployment but it was like rotation to uh Europe and uh where we were based out of was stork barracks this is not going to like dox me so I'll just share this uh so we're at stork barracks yeah which is uh in the town of we're also known as Illesheim and um back in the day like in world war two it was a Nazi airfield like um they it was like a secret airfield they flooded during the day to look like regular farmland and then they drained it at night to take off and there was like what I tell you that place was weird like so like I wouldn't say

I still kind of like doubt myself sometimes because I was very stressed out during this time frame uh running running stuff and kind of running around but uh you know people I saw a video and people had all sorts of stories about ghosts and stuff they saw there um I wish I still had the snapchat but the soldier uh recorded a video because he he kept seeing something down in the basement and so when you walk into the basement of the barracks right like so what they didn't tell us was where all the barracks were built on used to be um where the Nazis would have like they're set up their buildings it looked like basically like a fake town um like farmhouses and stuff like that but the basements were prison cells like you would go down there and it was just rows of perfect

like 10 by 10 squares and it's where they used to keep people and they would have to do experiments on them like in like in regards to like aviation like they would fly dudes up and like choke them out on oxygen it's like twisted stuff um you know with like typical nazi shit they did in the concentration camps but um they did on this airfield you know of course nobody nobody neglected to tell us any of this uh but people they don't want to let you know that you're like oh this place is kind of bizarre anyways good night yeah yeah by the way uh you'll definitely see some shit and like for me i'd never like going in the basements because i would instantly feel just freak the fuck out for no reason um but i had i digress i had a soldier when he was there before the rest of

the unit came um he was on like torch and he said he hated going down there so much he kept seeing stuff and so he went down there with the camera uh with his phone on record and he caught this video uh of as he's walking down the like this like i said this row of like 10 by 10 perfect rooms you see this shadow and i swear to god it looks like a person like because he has a flashlight too and he's holding his phone in one hand and a flashlight you see the shadow run up and i don't know if you've ever seen the video from eastern state penitentiary like from like this is like in 2008 or something like that it's like this is shadow figure that runs up towards the camera on ghost hunters uh when the tv show it ran up towards the camera and it like does a perfect 180

and runs in the other direction that he caught something exactly like that and it freaked me the fuck out and he was freaked the fuck out but people saw shit like that all the time on illa shine um you know because i used to see like i used to look at barracks across from me were like closed that closed down like they didn't have any people in them but uh they're locked up like things were chain tight you know the doors were locked there were barricades to keep people to keep soldiers out from doing stupid stuff but i would cover my windows at night looking across at it because when i would wake up when i first got there and look across i would see these little heads and like white little eyes staring back across me across the street man this sounds like

gremlins you know gremlins 3 test script you know just yeah like and no oh god that place was that place at night was so freaky um and yeah like you're on just i think you're on to something with oh wow also in okinawa a place of extreme suffering and pain people are having extreme lucid dreams i don't know i'm just making a connection now to a really weird moment in my life as well it was bizarre it was like you know incredibly like religious kids so there's like you know catholics Protestants but they're also like atheists to kids or muslims and they were like yeah we're on the same page there's something bizarre about this place and everybody was under the assumption

that something about the island itself or maybe it was because of the location but they were like we were having very detailed very detailed dreams like you could wake up in the middle of it and live a lifetime and it was i mean in my case yeah i could couldn't recite a dream off the bag of my mind right now but it was there was a lot going on there and it was bizarre because once someone you know you don't know until someone mentions it and you go actually hold on but yeah that was certainly one of the more interesting uh military experience i guess in the paranormal realm of bizarre situations yeah like i don't know i i don't think i would ever want to be stationed on cam Schwab in okinawa

considering you know all the fucking shit people see there uh i mean i mean it was not an intentional location you know just walk in one day check your military email you're like oh i'm going to a prison colony great well it's like you know hawaii too like you come to hawaii and yeah you know but it's like hawaii like you come to hawaii and you're like oh like you know this place is cool like no this place is cursed man like don't let anyone fool you this place is cursed as fuck um it just like it just goes to show that there's a lot of mm-hmm i was gonna say i don't when i was younger like a young marine i used to hear these stories about these marines stationed on hawaii on kebe and the locals would tell them legends about like oh yeah the the land that you're standing on used to

be a part of the ritual killings of the old hawaiian kings and blah blah blah just tell them these bizarre stories and then uh young marines or sailors who were the corpsmen would sit down go like oh yeah if you look off into a uh in the fields at night sometimes you can see like what look like soldier figurines walking in a field and they're like there's no legs or anything because everything's cut down but it's like like oh yeah all these like because the local warring tribes fought each other so often that their spirits are internally entwined into conflict and they're like oh yeah this is like again you know comes down to is it real or not who knows but it's you know christians atheists muslims hindu's everyone's on the same page of yeah something's

bizarre about kebe hawaii or hawaii dude it's because it's the night marchers man and for your listeners the night marchers are real that point you start talking about the night marchers which are just a ghost of these ancient hawaiian warriors like people here yeah they tell you that's legit because yeah where kebe is and yeah some some of the training areas the army uses those are all like ancient battlegrounds for these hawaiian warriors and um yeah there's a lot of locals here too a lot of soldiers and service members that'll tell you uh they're freaking real um they just want to show you like it kind of like a side note really interesting thing like you mentioned ancient hawaiians like hawaiian culture is so ancient and like old that even like modern

day hawaiians like you know like probably what we consider like kinkamehameha when he like united islands like their history was so ancient it was lost to even him um like super fascinating if if your listeners ever want to look into like kinkamehameha and like whose whole life reads like you know an action movie um and just like hawaiian culture in general it's it's a very very interesting and very like mystical and just just all around just not even bizarre just very like elusive culture to learn about it's yeah man night marchers are real the night marchers i've had family who've lived or and or visited hawaii and the locals they always said like oh yeah these locals told me like these folklore

and i'm like brother that's not that's that's that's real it's real to them it's oh yeah they're not going to tell you some bizarre story at a seven eleven just a spook yeah it's they're like where are you staying oh let me tell you a story real quick let me tell you an antidote why buy this uh roller hot dog from a seven eleven dude yeah that's how it is like honestly a best way to describe hawaii to people when it comes to like that's that realm is hawaii is just a tropical apalachia you know what i mean um because we all know like apalachia is just cursed there's just like there's something going on in those mountains but here in hawaii like even the locals like i've tried to go do some like coast hunting or exploration out here in like to some

of these sites and uh i've asked some locals i'm cool with and you know what they all tell me they just tell me this they just tell me hey the first thing you know about something to this effect the the only thing you need to know about what goes on here in hawaii is that it's demonic and they just leave it at that they refuse to take me to these places that's i mean even if you go to like these old because you mentioned it earlier with ghost hunters and then i mean back in the day i mean ghost hunters these days are kind of like personally i think they've fallen off i think we got two uh two mainstream or anything or trying to make something up just to stay relevant but 20 years ago those guys were legit and they

were uh yeah then we go to like you know a gas station in pennsylvania and everyone's like yeah these lights kind of keep capturing um something at night and they find out that it was built on an indian burial ground they're like yeah here's i figured out your problem we're like oh yeah you have a you have a very significant issue on your hands oh yeah no and that like and that's even like kind of a segue back into the military topic is you know there's a lot of hit hidden history in like on these military bases that not a lot of people are aware of um you know just kind of come back into hawaii like um a lot of the uh historical sites and you know sacred sites that are in the island of hawaii or technically fall on military land here um places

like makua kola kola pass which is like a for the warring tribes is a huge sacred spot because that was where like they could cross back and forth between the different parts of the island um like you know those are on military installations uh same thing if you like go back into like look at other uh mainland like bases like fort still like fort still is built on indian burial grounds it's indian sacred land um you know uh another good place is like um for campbell the traileteers that not you know a lot of people don't know about because it's not taught in schools uh where that you know the cherokee tribes and the tribes on the east coast were forced off their lands and basically this like um this death march into the reservations we know today uh the traileteers

actually went through what is now known as fort campbell it was it was called something else at that time but modern day fort campbell sits exactly on that path of the traileteers um and then like you know other places like fort lee virginia had like a lot of history of dating back to world war one you know um some of the first color regiments in the united states military were created at fort lee after the civil war of course you know so there's a lot of history out there that i think feeds into like some of the stuff that people are seeing at least in the united states um as it comes to places like okinawa well you know even the locals were talking about okinawa before world war two even happened of like how spiritual that course i mean if you want to take it a step further

it's usually like superstition these days is kind of cast aside but in like you said hawaii is or uh the pacific is almost like an island appalachia where superstition is real and they won't let you forget but if in the mainstream everyone goes oh ghost it's not real what are you talking about but then if you have these very like i don't want to say spiritual or anything but there's a very consolidated energy in a very specific area like you mentioned the traileteers and like that was a very significant event and then if you go to fort campbell man it's a bit like i've been there it's a bit very uh interesting area to hike at and or sleep over at or i mean just talking about okinawa or any world war two pacific battlefield because those islands are littered with so many

stories in thousands of lives and it's just crazy to think that yeah there's nothing here come on oh yeah you know it's funny you mentioned fort campbell just to give something to you know the listeners a little bit this paranormal you know military collision course it's uh fort campbell actually has a nice little hidden legend behind it that a lot of soldiers swear by that i've talked to um and i don't know if you're familiar with the legend of dogman are you right so yeah dogman is is not it's not exactly a mainstream kind of cryptid but uh it's kind of like it's it's a newer cryptid right so basically the gist of it is is you know have you seen the movie dog soldiers first yeah right so you don't remember the werewolves how they look

which by the way listeners if you haven't seen dog soldiers incredible movie need to watch it it's awesome same with plug yet but yeah so anyway so the dogman is this like large bipedal like basically wolf thing like you know walks like a man looks like a wolf uh looks like the werewolves from um you know dog soldiers um like a little bit more muscular a little thicker right not like it's emanciated in the um in the movie but uh kind of like the same concept but just an upright walking wolf anyways um it's kind of a North American thing people have reported it uh a lot in these rural southern places it seems to be the way the most famous case though is in Michigan there was the Michigan dog man which i think was cited in the 90s um the land between

the lakes is another famous dog man case i was gonna say that like i'm from Michigan and there's always this famous story of it's either a big foot or you know something in that category where this i want to say it was in the 60s 70s or 80s you know one of those uh cold war periods where this teenage girl was at an intersection and this thing just crawled out of the wood line and just beat the hell out of her at the red light and as soon as it turned green he left and just she went to the police and went yeah i was attacked by a big foot and the cops went okay so it was a rapist or not can you give me an honest description she was like no it was a big foot it's you know like what do you do with that but yeah i no mean to interrupt but yeah it's one of those funny stories

oh yeah that's like yeah that's like the kind of the bonkers beginning of like the michigan dog man um yeah so anyways there's another famous legend in the land between the lakes i don't know if you've heard of that state park before yeah yeah so like there's like this kind of weird story about how this couple was like this in my family was living in a mobile home is basically just like eviscerated and torn apart by this cryptid that was you know documented by the police and covered up and it's kind of like one of those weird legends but um what's funny is there is a legend uh from the native tribes that live there that uh went back so far as like before america times they talk about you know you know you've heard of the rogeru or the vrugaro or whatever it's called

hey so there can you hear me can break up what yep sorry um i was gonna say so like have you heard of the the rugaro i have not know so the rugaro i'm backtracking a little bit is a uh a cajun legend about like another upright werewolf looking thing right and so there is a legend amongst the first peoples of this thing called the rugaro or the rugaro it's very similar kind of pronunciation but that's where the name rugaro comes from basically just an upright you know wolf that walks like a man anyways i told this legend in the land between lakes of this creature that has always dwelled there well you know fort campbell was not too far from the land between the lakes you know um by a couple hours drive but in the backs backwoods of fort

gamble what's known as the back 40 this big training area again like training area that only the military uses it's off limits to civilians it's like just a massive amount of um you know woods and terrain and everything like that uh you know a lot of soldiers out there report seeing um this creature that resembles a large upright wolf to the point that even you know when they bring it up to their uh their leadership the leadership's like hey like don't talk about it we know we believe you but don't mention it that's uh that's funny man i mean i was in marine quarry reserve for a little bit and we had a centralized training event that was a four-day field up in fort campbell i'm the exact same training ground you're talking about and it was in like

february and it was cold and it was snowing and it was wet and all you could hear here at night is like howling and the fire watch kids just look pissed off and i was like yeah it's not a not a far stretch of the imagination thing it's probably a werewolf out here i mean it's just so miserable sometimes that your mind probably just runs away yeah and so you know um kind of like a funny thing i connected uh was in a lot of the stories so like if you for your leaders that are for the readers that are listening uh listening i wrote like a small article on this uh for the lethal minds journal which you can be found on instagram just the lethal minds journal i think it was volume four uh i wrote an article about the dog man at four campbell and um on one night i had i believe it

was four soldiers in one night corrupt in different locations collaborate the same story of seeing a large bipedial wolf one you know one of the soldiers watched another guy that didn't i couldn't get his statement unfortunately because he got out of the army uh was dragged by this creature down a drainage ditch that actually ripped open his clothes um you know all these guys saw the same thing a large bipedal wolf um i had another story from a calf scout who was in the same exercise not the same night it was actually the night before that their humvee stopped in front of this large black mass that they could only see on the naked eye they couldn't see through mvgs or thermals like stand up in front of them and it resembled

like a large bipedal wolf and it just kind of stared them down before it walked off into the woods um and i had and like a funny thing is the soldiers on the night those four soldiers that saw the same creature uh they when they initially described it to me they described it to me as a large upright creature with antlers right what does that sound like to you yeah nice that's insane man it's yeah so it sounds like a soap like a skin walker right so this is where i kind of this is where i kind of connected it uh if you ever encounter one of those i mean i mean talking about the indians up from earlier they always talked about the windigo and you never see the windigo mentioned in mainstream today but i'm pretty sure you have

come across at least two stories about those guys oh yeah so like i think uh so like you know like skin walkers for the listeners like skin walkers are a navajo legend which is like you know the tribe out in like the southwest um and if you kind of boil it down to like the basic all a skin walker is is a man who has made a deal with like dark forces to be a shapeshifter like a witch doctor right um what people describe seeing as these like skinless these like skinny humanoid long-limbed creatures pale crawlers that they call the windigo and skin walkers i think are a different creature that's one of the same that inhabits north america and man we like you ever heard of the rake of course right so the rake is a fictional creature

created for the slender man mythos which i'm sorry for people that are listening slender man is fake wonderfully done it's a great throw it out there like the windigo is real by the way slender man is yes i am very i am coming to interrupt but yeah i know i'm sorry i have to kill the fun because i'm just well versed in the internet right um i think a lot of y'all longer a lot of the younger generation it was like rediscovering some of these things i grew up with and you grew up with uh but anyways i digress but the rake was created for the slender man mythos and when it came out people started just you know and the rake is depicted as a you know a humanoid creature with big black eyes that runs around in all fours and is all white and it's kind of like

an emaciated looking human with longer limbs than normal and when that came out people started coming forward like i have seen that i saw that in the woods in north america i saw that in Nova discosia i saw that in canada like people started coming forward how seeing how they've seen these amazing white creatures and they just started like being described as skinwalkers you know and you and i know in the in the military like when you like skinwalkers become like a meme you know everybody talks about skinwalkers like it's like a kind of like a if you know you know you know what i mean it's a universally accepted meme of the spiritual world like luhan makes one of that all the time oh yeah she's hilarious um but you know it's even funnier right so oh yeah i remember i

remember seeing a meme of her on another page called own the gas mask um it was with uh that cut of kevin spacey from call of duty's advanced warfare okay what you're seeing is like super imposed on an immature dude i was dying and then like it's not the one where he has the talk over your like in the 1980s the us army came together with the collective lines increased psychological aberration that's a classic always laughs because people took that meme and like ran with it like she's really a scythe up and i'm like dude you guys are given the army way too much credit right now my guys way too much credit like scroll back at her instagram like six months it's it's very funny i know anyways i digress is uh you know it's it's so funny like the skin walker

kind of being like an inside joke in the military uh i'll give you a good example there's a um a squad in camp horno i won't give the exact unit because i want to dox on an accident but i mean this will probably dox them anyways so their squad name in this weapons platoon is skinwalker right and they're called skinwalkers one leader or i think oh you know there anyways uh oh maybe you know a different skinwalker squad i think i don't want to dox them out too much because you know the guy told me but anyways um you know they're on camp horno which for the marines out there like i know all about the horno skinwalker there's cave systems all over horno my guys we might be on to something um i just know that because i grew up on camp Pendleton

as a kid uh part of my weird background i mean i mean for you man i used to be a marine i spent a lot of time on Pendleton so it's uh yeah i mean i understand anyways oh yeah anyway so they're called the skinwalkers because um this this squad leader of this this weapons platoon squad uh he told his guys like yeah like when i was a kid i saw a skinwalker and i think it's following me ever since you know they didn't buy or they didn't believe in whatever so they're out there like you know in the stick somewhere in Pendleton i think they're like way out there like you know with a bison basically roam um they're out there one night and they keep hearing like they're screeching and like hearing these noises in the night like what the hell is that they didn't

sound like a coyote and they hear like the coyotes howling like like yipping at something and something screeching back at them and they basically see this emanciated pale creature running through the water and the squad leader is just like yeah man that's the skinwalker i told you guys about he follows me so now they're the freaking skinwalkers he follows me it's my uh it's my friend that's just craig bro that's like oh it's my friend uh that's my friend friend yeah he's he's a good guy yeah don't get too close to him but uh that is so careful he has ever i mean i've talked to you about this on you know our dms before but i remember when i was on camp or edson range on camp Pendleton when i was in the in boot camp a couple years ago and the journal instructors always talked

about this thing like the edson range um ghost where it was about a it was almost a headless horseman figure where a marine a horse marine from back in the day was knocked off his horse and died but his like apparent spirit haunted edson range to terrorize um and this you know of course they're selling it this way but they're like to terrorize marines who don't get expert on the rifle qual or something like that and it was it's her which is yeah base of course but you know and then i talked to family i'm like you ever heard of this thing they're like oh yeah yeah yep i heard about the edson range uh horseman it's like interesting so everyone's heard about this okay so it wasn't just me getting which is funny from nonsense it was just funny because now that you're

here when i was a kid right i told you like i was into this stuff um you know for the for the listeners i um this won't talk to me too much but you know by the time i turned 18 half of my life i've been spent in oceanside on and off right um and i i spent a lot of time on camp Pendleton my dad's marine you know i've been all over camp Pendleton um and you know of course i think i think when i was a kid i must have been like 13 14 i asked it was like close to Halloween i'm like hey you guys ever heard of ghost stories and they told me about this headless marine that wanders around i didn't know was edson range but like that haunts so funny dude it's and yeah or the shadow marchers which are another one where if you wind up um you know motherfucker hill

motherfucker yep yep so if you like i used to hike that with my dad but uh some of the young marines that would go with him would tell me like oh yeah if you come out here at night you'll see like i used to think that they're just trying to scare me but they would tell me like yeah you'll come out here and you'll see guys that are dressed in like our older uniforms like marching with us and they'll just like kind of like vanish into thin air or like walk off the path into nothingness so that is bizarre man that is i think bizarre is the word to describe this episode it's just yeah like i mean the especially when it comes to the military the community is so small that i mean of course the famous one is you know the giants from kunar where that one sf guy got killed

by a spear and they killed these giants and retreated back into the mountains and everything and everyone in the military is told about this crazy story but they were like yeah it's just a story but then if you go if you collect i don't know a dozen marines from the last 20 years and you put them on camp Pendleton they're like oh yeah the night margers oh they're real you're like okay all right it's funny you talk about like you know the giant of kandahar the original like for the listeners i was in episode on coast to coast am with arc bell which is an old talk talk show radio and you know when i first listened to that story i didn't really buy into it too much because like you know some of the details are a little hokey doesn't really like they just don't they sound

a little off right but ever since i started the page i think hold on let me go over my notes real quick notes as in in my head um two three four five i have about six stories from afghanistan of people that have seen humanoids that were around seven to eight feet tall or just like as big as trees out there from a distance not up close but you know from it even from a distance you know they stood up and they towered over trees or they towered over like the boulders and stuff like that uh so you're like you're a cock and you go well that's certainly not six foot tall yeah that's wow that's a big boy over there god damn but like you know and then i i um i spoke to west groomer on sasquatch chronicles and tony merkel on the confessionals podcast um

both really two outstanding podcasts if you love the paranormal if you listen to sasquatch chronicles you're gonna definitely believe bigfoot exists if you listen to confessionals you're gonna have your mind blown there's a lot of crazy stuff that's covered in those uh two podcasts but anyways i digress both of them told me that uh they have spoken to many soldiers marines airmen whatever off the record who have talked about how they've seen giants in afghanistan and um you know i definitely buy it there's places in afghanistan that are so remote and so ancient even the afghanis don't know anything about it and i've spoken to several people from afghanistan that were telling me about how like you know the mountains are basically so ancient like even the people that

you know live there don't know much about them um there's actually a state park and i learned this from west groomer on sasquatch chronicles and i kind of like confirmed it talking to these people in afghanistan there's a believe it or not before the invasion there was a you know a national park of afghanistan that was up north near the border of china and the name escapes me but it's a very small like 13 mile wide or 13 mile long like two three mile wide um like national park on these mountain peaks and very weird place to have a national park very random spot and when he spoke to a gentleman west groomer that um you know off the record who was operating out there i think he was in the army and they bit the locals would tell them like hey don't go up into those mountains

you know the national park and they would say like if you go up there there's giants and they're going to kill you and eat you what's just passing we're like oh yeah by the way yeah you're going to become um yes uh and you know it's funny to kind of segue into that i spoke to i know another guy who was you know i'm not going to say what unix i don't want to like give out dipoles too much about him because he's very private but he was also on sasquatch chronicles um he was involved in the very early periods of afghanistan when we were going in and basically trying to like coerce people from the northern alliance to our side and he went on a mission when they went to this village he said this village was so remote that when they were given out like kind of like the

humanitarian aid they had like picture books for kids and they had pictures of the ocean of like whales and stuff like that and the men were starting to get upset with the soldiers like why are you showing my child this this is a lie like no creature like this exists right like the ocean doesn't exist they were so far they didn't have electricity they didn't have internet nothing they were so far detached from what we consider civilization that concepts like the ocean and whales and like you know airplanes they referred to airplanes in the sky as x's because they had no other word for that right um that's how detached they were from like the modern world anyways you know somebody made a joke to the interpreter about them have they seen any yetis and the

interpreter just went ahead and just said it right because that's what he started to do is translate to the village elder and these men in the room and they're all like yeah we have yetis here like yeah they come and they you know attack us and they eat our people yeah they're like you know they've described these creatures that sounded like bigfoot as if you how you and I would describe a raccoon that comes and takes our trash like they were vermin right and it was like he said it was so surreal like these people have no idea what a yeti is or a bigfoot or something like that right and they describe perfectly what we would consider a yeti or a bigfoot it is it's wild I mean I've heard about those in the hindu kush where um along the you know

a pakistan where the pakistanis usually in this this is 100 percent verbatim want to hurt on monster quest 15 years ago but it was the local like local tries would go like all right he's back we gotta go fight him they're like he's got to stop eating our cats and stuff the village would round up and create a riot to fight like yetis or you know bigfoot or anything to stop them from eating their uh their bay cats and their corn and their food and they're like yeah this thing's kind of a problem and it was like yeah and then the these old pakistani village elders go like oh yes there's a longstanding tradition so they think it was like a like a spiritual like oh the village is um a curse because this guy didn't do something properly so now we have this big issue on our hands

but then nowadays when everyone has the internet they're like oh actually I think it's bigfoot I think we have this yeti situation on our hands Jesus Christ that's fucking wild again it's of course if you talk to anybody who goes like well if I had a gun I would kill it you're like I'm sure people would try it but like would you though like you know it's like I think back to that giant story you know maybe that giant was just chilling in his cave and all of a sudden you hear all this noise it runs out and there's these like americans pointing glass in his front room and he's like what the hell yeah he's just like why are you pointing guns at me like hey and they start shooting at him of course he's like all right you know what the fuck you stabs you with

there's another story I have hold on it it I would just thought about it I was gonna say it slipped away but these um like paranormal stories in the military and going back to like the military side where I mean especially post 9-11 there's so many deaths in the military where and I'm not trying to make a joke about this or anything but like even in barracks it doesn't matter if it's camp legion or four Campbell or brag or san diego or cherry point or anything like that it's like yeah I mean military members kill themselves you're like all right so if you have this collective identity of multiple guys doing this in one centralized area you might have a problem with you know seeing something in the mirror yeah what Fort Hood has entered the chat

Fort Hood yes the big one dude I just I read the Fort Hood report and I just sat there for like 30 minutes like bruh what the fuck sorry if I'm cussing too much you man just like I need to take a laugh if you're walking around the backyard pacing like you know spot with your arms behind your back you're like Fort Hood again of course I'm gonna go with some weights I'm very upset yeah that's that's that's funny it's not funny yeah you know yeah it's coincidentally strange yeah like you said there's if you go look into a lot of bases especially like for Benning Fort Leonardwood these big training bases like a lot of these dudes have the same story

and it's like okay like yeah they're boots you know they're scrubs but hey man if a like a dozen dudes are coming forward with the same story can we really ignore it what about those uh have you ever investigated uh Gettysburg because I'm that's usually the big one like Gettysburg, or less so I actually more revolutionary battlefields where civil war re-enactors and or amateur uh oh yeah what is the term a uh re-enactors no the guys who are in like the uh paranormal stuff oh um parentologists I don't know anyways those guys go to Gettysburg they're like I'm gonna stay the night you know at the little round top where a bunch of guys stab each other and then they

film they're like yep caught something on camera never coming back here nope I will uh so I've been to Gettysburg once and I'll definitely say I so I went on an LPD sorry guys I'm an officer I know war strength yada yada yada but uh I went on a uh a staff ride to Gettysburg right and it was it was awesome we were all gonna sit there and we were all drinking in some courtyard like late at night um but when we all broke we had to walk about a mile back to the hotel through you know historic Gettysburg and I'm not gonna lie like the air was extremely heavy like super heavy and like looking back I was warned by our uh tour guys that we know because we had to hold right around there you know the battlefields during the day they're like hey don't

come out here at night and I was like why and they're like just don't come out here at night I'm like okay um but yeah when I was out there your bed sheets are heavy the bathroom here's your complimentary toothbrush don't go outside um and I was actually it's a fun fact I was actually thinking about going out um on my own to go walk around the town at night and uh I was roomed with my chaplain at the time who was a uh you know he was a um you know southern Baptist and I was like yeah chap I think I'm gonna go out and explore I've heard like some interesting things that come see at night he just looked at me dead in the eye and he's like you know he said my name is like listen don't go out there this is not your place to go out there and I was just like

you got a chaplain going to bed you look at the chaplain you're like if anyone's gonna give me some sound advice it's this guy okay oh yes um but you know I did oh sorry go ahead I was gonna say I was in Gettysburg a few months ago because like I live in northern Virginia so I thought like oh you know might as well swing by Gettysburg it's only like an hour away and the scope and the magnitude and you think it's this tiny little thing like uh like this little insignificant hill like in any other Civil War battlefield but not dog it's like six miles long oh yeah huge so I mean even going to out and I went there like you know 1045 in the morning I was like yeah it was definitely like a different situation you just pull up and go yeah a bunch of

guys stabbed each other to death here that's a it's not uh almost like if like you or I were going to Verdun or something like that or anywhere in the fields of France you're like yes it's pretty heavy oh yeah absolutely and so like I'll give you kind of like a fun fact so when I was stationed at Fort Lee right um there's a few Marines that go to Fort Lee mainly all the support guys like mechanics cook stuff like that um go to Fort Lee it's a big logistics space in the army all like mainly all the logistics M.O.S is trained at Fort Lee but what's fun cool about Fort Lee is um not on the grounds but basically there's a gate that opens up to it is um the Petersburg national battlefield and the Petersburg national battlefield is one of the final battles of the Civil War

it's a very bloody siege that took like months to finally you know capitulate but uh you've never seen the movie Glory with Denzel Washington right so you know the Battle of the Crater yeah so the Battle of the Crater was at Fort Lee it was at Redisburg yeah you can actually look sorry if you hear the howling in the background that's not a dog man that's just my stupid ass Australian healer who likes to bark at everything yeah it's not the wolf man it's uh actually my dog it's my dog it's actually a wolf man but yeah wolf I said it was a wolf man comma man not wolf man anyways I digress um so you can actually walk out and you can stand in the crater from that movie right like when they when they mined this and they blew it and you

know they they decided to pull the colored troops out who had been training to storm this freaking position after they blew it up kind of historical note if you didn't know anything about the movie glory right like that colored troops battalion um they had trained and drilled time day every single hour of the day for like weeks about storming those positions once they blew the the the mine basically right um and they pulled them out at the last minute because they want they didn't want colored troops to steal the gore which is the sad part um and these guys or yeah that's the title time in and time out yep and so the they put in the you know the regular troops and of course you know the the mine goes off the crater is formed and these dudes bungle it and so all

these dudes rushing to the crater including the colored troops and you know they basically all get massed in this kind of like it'll it refuse to think like you can stand there like like i said the air is just heavier um it's like i spent a lot of time at fort lee uh i rocked a lot in the uh the training area at night man or in the early early mornings i did not like being there when the sun was down i if i would had to go there when the sun was down i stayed till like the hardball roads because when you started getting off into like the you know the trails into the wood line out to the crater yeah it started getting weird it started getting creepy and i swear to this day i used to see shapes and shadows and it's like it's like a repressed memory

you know i used to see shapes and shadows that resembled like dudes in the uniform from the civil war um and especially at the crater i never liked going to the crater if the sun was down right because you you just you know a lot of dudes just died there um you know and fort lee battlefield is just a weird quiet place not even the homeless dudes go and hang out there right like the homeless guys don't go there at night there's no homeless shelters there's no homeless towns out there because like i'm thinking you gotta follow the rats like why aren't the homeless here all right we gotta follow those and there's you know they're all outside the perimeter of the battlefield but then they don't go in the battlefield maybe they have respect

right uh there's a lot of places for people to hide out there but you know i think it's a lot because they know like hey this is all on the ground um it's just a weird place there's you know you know kind of like off besides ghosts you know uh in the 60s and the 80s there was uh even sasquatch sightings out there before rich richman virginia was developed uh really just a weird little area oh yeah like if you go look up uh bigfoot fields research organization and type in fort lee i think you'll find two reports of um a sasquatch sighting that happened on the battlefield and another one on what's called ordinance island where all the mechanics are which is just like you know a separate like cut uh fort lee um very like i said very strange area very heavy area with that battlefield

you know that not a lot of people know was like a very very very heavy battle that's just fascinating and again just going back to like the history standpoint like yeah not a lot of people know these things so if i wanted to be in the fairies i could just start throwing paranormal stories on top of that be like oh there's a reason no one goes there it's not because everyone forgot about but because they want to forget about it you know one of those things it's it's uh like when i was a kid i used to definitely watch those ghost hunters and literally anything on sci-fi channel or discovery channel after oh yeah i would eat those up and those bizarre um UFO stories or stories of like army reservists in missouri getting a firefight with a bigfoot here like i'm

you know i'm here i am six years old going yes this is real this is this is intense what does nobody else know about this and you go to school and everyone's like what are you talking about well it's like no i saw it on the discovery channel i promised wait wait let me backtrack here uh reservists getting a firefight with bigfoot this sounds insane i haven't heard of this one before so and again here it is me reciting a a episode i want to say of Mr. Darker whatever that show was on discovery channel that came out about 10 o'clock in 2007 but it's like bizarre stories or paranormal like stories or something like that anyways where these i want to say they were army reservists were on patrol and then they just looked to the top of

ridgeline like missouri and saw three or four humanoid figures and like two little ones and two big ones which is essentially like you know a mom and dad and a couple babies that were huge and they were hairy and it was the middle of something like january february so it's cold outside so all these guys you know they have their movies and they're all bundled up but they see these humanoid things at the top of the ridgeline with huge hands and they stink and you know the air is very heavy and they look over and they're like these guys aren't wearing any clothes they look very hairy and um the air smells terrible and so like a rocks thrown at them essentially like they like a bear you walked into their area

so they threw a rock at them and because they had the sim rounds they started blasting sim rounds at these big feet essentially and then it was like uh an i'll find it for you and send it to you here after this but it was like an exchange between like mill sim and big foot rocks just blasting each other and like some guy got hit in the head i want to say and they this patrol left and it was like a fireteam or a squad i can't remember but they went back to their little op and told a little lieutenant like hey man we just came into some very serious stuff and i pretty sure it was not um the red cell and this ceo was like excuse me essentially it was just they were like yeah we'll uh we'll get to this later put that on the after action report and

we'll come back to it and he's like no you're not listening this was not the red cell throwing rocks at us this was something else i uh you know honestly in your opinion like how many people would it take to take down a big foot you know what i mean like those guys what's the census on those guys like seven foot two seven foot four so like i don't know like you know yeah they're big dudes i feel like so like even if they had sim rounds you know dudes have knives like i feel like i feel like a squad it could take down a big foot you know what i mean a very well-trained fireteam like five four five guys could take him out but you know seven two lean mass pissed off so he's never ever experienced anything loud before he's probably gonna have like a

so a sensory overload with four guys shooting at him i mean i'm sure they could take him yeah i think like you could have you could have three squads right so there's no sorry there's four fire teams to a squad i'm a pogue so i forget these things this uh for the marines is three oh never mind yeah marines are screwed anyways well i guess you could have you could have uh two fire teams right two fire teams focus on like one's left side of the body one's right side of the body to immobilize and then you have the third fire team is the kill team that they go for the eyes and the throat and the head i feel like you i feel like one marine squad yeah then there's the outliers like well what if he has a stick four i challenge like if we just took one marines weapon squad

who are just also at this point just gigantic fucking silverback gorillas that have been you know shaved i feel like one i feel like one marine weapon squad could take down a freaking let's ask watch oh yeah because they all drink whole milk they're all power lefters they're they're all strong you know they're not very fast usually but they're i mean if you throw a few shots of uh jim beam and then they'll probably be pretty uh pretty warmed up to go fight a big foot i mean it's yeah it's i mean you're eating like an hour and i'm just mentally like going over all these crazy stories i've heard and like yeah there's actually now that you mentioned it like yeah i think there's a bunch that i heard just over the last few years because i was in for

like five five years or so and yeah there's just stories you hear all the time and you're like oh that's whatever but then when we start putting them all together you're like actually i've heard these all over the place and then if uh back in like the g-watt era some fire team gets in a sim rounds shoot out with big foot you're like interesting all right so let's probably check this out these are things to be considered you know yeah and it's you know in a lot of times like people think there's like some nefarious like methodology behind it like you know a cover-up or anything like that and you know honestly like this one dude who told me some pretty crazy stories in afghanistan he was like you know you you see it once and then you remember like you're like wow

what the fuck was that you dwell on it and then you remember like oh damn i'm in a war zone and there's like physical people that are trying to kill me like i gotta focus on my job and i i could you know just and even if people weren't starting shooting at you you know you gotta do your job and you gotta think about how you're gonna do your job the next day so you know you push that stuff to the back of your mind you know another guy told me it's the um the terror that you laugh off in the moment is the true terror right and i think that happens a lot of people just they see something insufferably insane right and they're just like they put it in the back of their mind and they keep chugging along because they're good joes and they're good airmen they're good marines

they're good sailors and you know they come back like they're sitting there in the dark room or at the smoke pit with their bros and there's you know they're you know they're they're people and they're like hey man like something weird happened to me and that's when it comes up those are the stories that i'm calling after yeah those ones they're uh i don't know if you've ever heard of like white saints new mexico oh but that's like i heard it's cursed yeah so i was there years ago for a that baton death march they do the annual one i forgot what it's something like they do it once a year you can't really remember the month but i remember one of the guys i went with stayed at a hotel i don't sound like a holiday in he's like i took shower you know

went to bed we'll start listening to some music played on my phone and the bed started shaking in the tv turned on and he was like i don't have time for this it just rolled over he was like i'm going to bed i have to wake up and hike in the morning i don't have time to deal with whatever this is and he said it's so uh not not right now guys you know it's like you know here i am i'm like 14 or 15 i'm like what you what it was like yeah man i don't know what the hell that was anyways let's go hike let's go walking at one line for 26 miles i'm like you just brushed over a very interesting story or what could have been yeah like wait wait wait wait let's let's backtrack here a minute

and you know like that's like the crazy things too is i like you had a poltergeist and you said fuck off yeah fuck off um you know and here like yeah you can't you can't ask me like what uh fight that type of integrity oh yeah and you know what like honestly scares me the most like what gives me the shivers at night is you know it's not like yeah trust me some of this stuff is scary as shit like i am a huge scaredy cat right fun fact like i don't like horror movies i have like some choice horror films that i like i'm not a big horror guy man i i really i really not i'm a big scaredy cat i find this stuff fascinating because there is an explanation and sometimes that explanation is just totally bizarre but what really keeps me up at night is you know i think back

on all the stories that are lost to time now right that either have just you know the the guy or the gal will never ever say because of you know fear of whatever like in judgment or you know just they just passed on and like those are this that's what keeps me up at night like the truly incredible things that we that have been lost to time right like one of my favorite quotes from a movie is from Blade Runner when you know um they get to the very end you know oh dude yeah that's great or you know like i see things you people wouldn't believe god that whole speech just gets me and that's that tears in the rain man i think about that speech uh tears in the rain i think of tears in the rain every single time like i dwell on like the stories that have not been told because

like there's no one left to tell them you know there was a uh when you when you mentioned that i remember i was probably i was i was a teenager i was probably about to graduate high school i went to like a hobby shop and i found this like you know because all the nerds hang out and they read fantasy novels or whatever but there was this one that had a cover of two roman soldiers fighting a giant in england and i was like what the hell is this and they were like oh yeah it's based on this one like an offhand account of a roman legionaire who under caesar invaded britain and found giants and so they fought these giants and then caesar's like yeah those are just galls and then the roman legionaries were like yeah i don't think that was a gall i've seen these guys before i don't think

that was what that was but you know the book i was looking at the cover and everything it was based on the story it was completely fictional but i was like interesting so i started reading about it and i was like oh wow like yeah romans definitely had their own paranormal stories and they came back to their officers and they went like i just had this bizarre encounter and they went shut up they're like okay but right like oh my god that's that's who looked back the eggshell so much right there like oh imagine what the romans saw imagine what the spartans saw like you know i love like movie 300 and the comic 300 because of the overtop nature like and i tell people like that's lost on them like that's not done for hollywood right like that's done because i saw it like that is that's how

they saw firsthand accounts of like who was at thermopoli who was the who was the greek poet um who wrote about that i can't remember but it was the anisees i mean i see maybe i don't know but he always painted the the persians as literal demons like i remember when that movie came out and i was reading like you know like yahoo or aol and i headline of aran bands 300 for uh defamation i was like you can see that yeah i have uh understandable oh it's like if i was a betting man i would have said that that would have happened you know oh yeah or like the first time that the romans saw the elephant right they thought the elephant was a demon yeah and when uh some rogue carthaginian run south

on an elephant they're like what the hell is this like what oh yeah this guy walked in the other way to get here that doesn't make any sense one thing i really want to do is um and this is like more of a general statement is reading marco polo's book in christopher colombus's book and looking at the similarities because i don't know if you've ever heard of gap theory before yeah i'm familiar yeah or it's like you know for the listeners out there gap theory is essentially saying like well mesopotamia is not the founding of civilization but what was left of the old civilization where if you go to pockets of india you see radiation levels where it says like their chernobyl levels going if i was a smart man a nuclear bomb went off here and then if you go to

switzerland or peru or jalei or iraq or anywhere everyone has the same story of like yeah there was like a there was a flood definitely and then there was a big war and blah blah blah so anyways just reading those two books and see if there's any similarities between like marco polo rubbing elbows with the chinese going like oh here's their stories and then christopher colombus rubbing elbows with the americas and it's going here's their stories i don't know that there's probably a topic worth discussing but oh yeah god i like like i said i shiver on the stories that have been like lost the time i'm like and that's a big reason behind like doing this book right you know yeah for the for the listeners out there do not um stop at this conversation go read his book

follow his page he has easily one of my favorite pages on the the platform itself because it's just so entertaining of the stories that get thrown out there i mean even the other day you posted that one about the irish soldier on what duty he was like yes ghost just oh yeah like oh man that's like like i said like it's even still i'm still shocked like i'm not you know i'm not used to any of these stories i ever you know i'm like holy shit you know and like for the the listeners that may have may or may not have like you know messaged me like sorry i'll get back to you i'm super busy i try to make sure i sit down and vote like this whole thing is like a hobby to me um but it is important that i record these stories and i put them on paper you know um because

in the digital age and the age of tiktok there's all this stuff and then you know there's misinformation and there's maybe like half truthisms and you know quarter truthisms or full truthisms that are not told correctly um and i want to make sure that i capture you know people's words as they tell them to me and document them for like you know permanently because like i look at it like this if like i said if everything was erased it tells me the good square was banned on you know instagram or whatever and vanished uh i do have a backup but you know if it was gone i have at least 240 stories documented on paper and on my bookshelf like they will persist right they they it's not like something that can be lost to legend like here they are they're right here

you know i'm lost here in like a uh a time of scene situation where you go all the way to the future at all these the over the called the the citizens well did you ever see that movie time machine ron starling the original timeline the time machine oh the original time machine yeah oh yeah love that movie because he goes all the way to the future he's talking right he's like do you guys have books and this guy's like yeah we have books and he opens it it just crumbles and he was like what he was like what the hell it's what were those creatures called again like the bad guys the cannibals oh man i know the people were called the eloy more locks they were called more locks yeah more locks yeah fuck the more locks all my homies hate the more locks

i will go forward in time with all my homies so we can jump the more locks what were their name yeah fuck that's funny man i'm gonna i'm i'm gonna take a hundred people with m4s baseball bats and hammers and we're just gonna go to the future find the more locks walk up to them be like we're gonna kill you i was at a uh i was at a restaurant all my like last this time last year and i saw this meme of Tony Soprano like sitting in a therapist chair and he was like me and my friends would have beat et to death with hammers i promise you that like i laughed so hard i fell out of my chair in the bartenders like you just got here are you hammered i was like no dude this is the funniest thing i've ever seen in my entire life oh man it's uh like

uh go right in man i um i laugh at that like that statement because people like you know all these bleeding hearts are like oh humans can't get along like we'll be destroyed by aliens if they ever show up you're like and i'm like bro i want you to press real on our planet we'll beat it to death yeah if there's like that one guy who's going like no we need to study it and then there's nine others going i i have this idea and it's a gun why from saturday night a gun you know like yeah like if like aliens suddenly landed and like the grace came out and they're like resistance is futile every single muslim christian and jew in the world plus all the other religions will just band together and be like we're gonna kill you and that's how we get the plot

line to warhammer 40k man you know this is dipping into a territory i'm very interested warhammer 40k holy shit that's very funny it's uh you think humans are racist now wait till a non-human lounge like you know we are we are experiencing uh what you're seeing here is advanced warfare um it's did you ever there's this page that i used to watch a lot um on youtube called dark five do you ever watch that yes i remember dark cry for sure yeah he was always cool i kind of like got my ideas moving in certain directions like well i'm gonna pull threads at you know 4am and scare the hell out of myself and i should be going to school in two hours but you know one of those but there was always this one where um it's not so much paranormal but this guy i want to say

was like in iowa or not iowa um nevada saw a he was what he like he lived next to an air force base and so what he did is he thought he was seeing extraterrestrials but it was back in the 50s and 60s so the locals went oh or the local military went oh this guy's not supposed to see you know the new fighter aircraft so they started feeding him false info that he thought the world was ending and aliens were coming and he was supposed to be a prophet and drove him insane and then the cia showed up they were like actually man we could really use you here's information we have and blah blah blah blah and drove this man insane because no one would believe him because it was all fake and then they sent him to like a loony bin and the cia was like well now that no one

can touch him let's study his brain to see if we keep going further and it was like just one of those insane like criminal overreach of the cia going but what if i took him one step further ruined some guy's entire life honestly he caught the glimpse of like you know the sr 71 honestly if somebody accused me of being a psi op or whatever i just wouldn't deny it and be like yes i am a psi op i mean it's like sure we we run completely different platforms but the overlap is so common when you're you just go yes like i'm like news intel your paranormal mill stories but also mill background overlap which means truth question mark and you're like yes yeah truth parentheses question mark parentheses i'm just a massive psi op so no one will ever invade us

because they think the the north america states are the curses of modern psi up the army psi up girl or what is it the army uh e-girl yeah i mean if luja and i joined forces i don't know if we i i'm pretty sure she's a skinwalker right because theoretically let's let's look at it if skinwalkers is just shapeshifting humanoids you know we could have safely assume at some point in the history a skinwalker served in the united states i mean you just watched the the dommer show and you're like i can see that yeah they let anybody in this guy eight people the government said i mean we're kind of down for numbers so governments perpetually down bad

dude that's ah shit that's i just had something to on that oh my god that's so funny it's what a fun conversation man this has been really enjoyable holy shit the uh man there was one more i was going to tell you but yeah that that cia story of the them feeding this guy false info and trying to come insane and then using him as a test subject has just stuck with me forever whenever anyone goes well the government can't be bad i was like okay but what about this i don't think they really care i like to think like you know like how everybody's like anytime something happens in the world they're like oh it's the cia it's the cia i like to think it's like the cia is like oh we didn't

really do that but uh okay yeah we'll we'll just go ahead and say we did that like is there executing quantum ball and in communist they're like yeah we did oh yeah that was totally us guys take our day off of this one throw it over that uh that ballistic missile that had a an e-girls very painted on the side of it yeah that was like it's like that south park episode we need to create a conspiracy so people don't believe there's a conspiracy pretty much dude the most perfect show of all time yes oh god one of the funnier ones is uh just going on twitter in the last two weeks and just reading because everyone just shouts anything now and number one donald trump came back to twitter this morning and oh god it was so funny what i'm one of the like

twitter exploded and they were like it's a cia i sigh up and blah blah blah blah blah but then there's also like i was like that there's a cia pao that's just like fuck guys god stop it wasn't us please lord well yeah then you meet people in the cia you're like oh you look like jeffrey donner you are so unsuspecting i'm an underpaid 50 year old man who's been divorced three times wow he's literally my life to this country you know what i got for it these birth control glasses that i've been wearing for 30 years but oh man it's so funny but yeah i think uh we're getting to about that time it's getting a little late here but yeah man um for listeners out there go ahead follow tales from the grid square by his book would you say it was 240 story

yep so for the listeners you know if you want to follow me um you can find my page on instagram that's where i primarily operate out of um tales from the grid square on instagram uh this t a l e s underscore f r o m underscore the t h e i just want to make sure i spell that correctly uh underscore grid square g r i d s q u a e r all one word tales from the grid square at you know on instagram if you have a story you want to share with me or you just want to chat just go ahead and hit my dms if you don't have email you just want to chat or share a story too you can also hit me up on my gmail account it's tales from the grid square gmail dot com shoot me an email i always love to talk and if you want to buy my book it's available through amazon let's call tales from the grid

square volume one by nick orton which is my name right now um you can go ahead and jump on there check it out on amazon it's available on the kindle so you can read on your phone or uh on the paperback i highly recommend the paperback i also have a little story if you want to buy patches and whatever whatnot like that oh yeah dude i like how you said which is my name right now like it wasn't 15 minutes ago well yeah i guess i keep nick orton is not my real name it is my ghost writer's name i have appeared if you're interested i'll just go ahead and plug it right now i i am also an amateur writer um i have written plenty of articles i've written articles for the legal minds journal um i've written articles for pops milk media written

articles for um american grit i've written articles for uh dirtbag magazine which uh i they released their first edition magazine pretty recently and i have two stories featured in there uh so please yeah if you see nick orton around you know it's me i'm putting out a lot of work i have run a poetry side project as well kind of like got to the amateur writing sector but uh tales from the grid square is my main project hell yeah dude hell yeah dude that's very excited to have you on man it's been very fun oh yeah man this was a great this was a great conversation i love it man had a great time i've never said it's forgot i forgot we were recording for a second oh yeah of course i'm like oh yeah it's just having a conversation with the guy i just met

i still love it but you know so i'm gonna i'm gonna cut this out and then if you want to hold on for a second we'll uh chat at the back end all right so Thank you very much for watching, and I'll see you in the next one.