Kitbag Conversations - Episode 33: Delightfully Evil

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

After receiving complains about my latest analytical bit "Ukraine: on the drink of collapse", I decided to double down with the topic but having a long discission with our old friend Cody. Throughout ...this episode, he and I look at: -how Russia punched back against western nihilism -Ukraine is strategically vulnerable without direct US support -and what America's directionless policy in Ukraine means for "victory"

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello everyone and welcome back, you're in for a treat this week, I'm not sure if you've been listening for a long time, but back in the day this is our friend Cody, was on for a few episodes and he's back and we're going to talk banter about Ukraine, so what's going on man? What's on man? Just so everybody knows I was sick when we were going here, so I sound like a mom who works at the Dollar General and smokes a pack a day, so it's on the tail end, but we're good and you know I may be sick, but we've been just what shitposting, we did one shitpost
Starting point is 00:00:41 and pissed everybody off on the page. The funniest thing is I posted a picture of Alex Jones had nothing to do with it, I'm thinking everyone's like, what does that have to do with anything, and I was like I'm practically Alex Jones these days, I don't know. Who was it that I posted, because just so you know, Kroato is not. I saw some guys on the truck. Sorry about that, yeah, that was me, oops. So like, Kroatoan is like a conglomerate of schizophrenic babblings of a group chat of
Starting point is 00:01:15 intel dweebs, and we've been talking about Ukraine and the gaslighting, but crystal and cigar, they're like the liberal and the conservative, they go on Joe Rogan and they talk about this stuff. They went on and they're like, it's controversial, but we should think about what we're doing in Ukraine and meanwhile, we're over here like month five, like this is freaking insane and like, fuck, and then we wrote that post about like Ukraine on the brink. So I think we're like, what, three, four months ahead of the power curve, so it's come spring. We're usually vindicated within 90 days.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Yeah. So it's, the funniest one that came out last week was, oh, Taliban ex-fighters are now within the Chechens inside Eastern Ukraine, and I'm like, pretty sure I called that last year. They did, what was it, because they were now they were saying Afghan commandos and everyone's like, you're like, I need apology and it's like, well, if you've ever been to Afghanistan, like pretty much all the Afghan and the Afghans in the army, like every fourth one is a Taliban insurgent.
Starting point is 00:02:30 So it's like, motherfucker, like, but no, we've had a lot of people come in after that post we wrote about, you know, hey, Ukraine's on the downfall and we, you and I both have our people over there, both supporting, hell, we even supported some groups financially, even managed to send two tons of army supplies to the Ukrainians. But I was going to say something you said a while ago when we were going through like the chats, you said a lot of the people are a lot of the Russians that are dying over there. They're not ethnic Russians.
Starting point is 00:03:12 And so I started doing the math on that, right? And so it's like, they lump them together, right? So right now everyone's saying there's like 200,000 Russians dead, 40,000 of that is LPR and DNR. And for those that don't know, those are the two breakaway states in Ukraine. So automatically you're looking at about a quarter of the Russian losses being Ukrainian, like they're Ukrainian, but that's crazy. And so like that's 50,000 or 40,000, 50,000 Ukrainians that were fighting for Russia.
Starting point is 00:03:48 And then like, and then on top of that, you have the Chechens, how many Chechens have died? Do we have a number? Thousands? Let me take a look real quick. Yeah. And so it's like, of that 200,000, like you were saying this like six months ago, you were like, how many of those are actually ethnic Russians?
Starting point is 00:04:03 I keep seeing videos of Uzbeks, Khazaks, Far East Siberian Russians. And it's just when people are crying, they're like, oh, my son's dead. It's like some fucking trailer park in Eastern Siberia. And you're like, where the fuck? People say Russians have bad logistics. Not when it comes to finding fucking minority groups to fight their war. They'll go to the far end of the empire and they'll fucking bring somebody to the front line.
Starting point is 00:04:28 So exactly. So I was wondering about that. Do you have anything on that? Because I know you were like deep into it, like you're like, these are like all Uzbeks and Siberians. Like what the fuck? Yeah. It took two weeks off of work and the second half of December just went into an echo chamber
Starting point is 00:04:45 and came out. It was like, yeah, the Russians know they're dumb, but they're not stupid because if you look at the Russian way of thinking, there's ethnic Russians and Slavs and that's why they look at the Ukrainians and Belorussians and Serbians, they're like, yeah, we're one people. They're a problem child. They're the Muslims. And they always have had a problem of getting those guys to play nice in an event of say like late 1800s or World War I, they performed poorly.
Starting point is 00:05:12 And then internally within Russia, which starts a fragment under the revolution, they went, all right, well, regardless of who wins, these groups are now going to have weapons or going to have tools or going to have experience. We got to kill every single male just in case we lose this war. So that's when the first draft came out there, like all the Chessians got to go. We can't do that again. You're like every single Muslim from Central Asia, they got to go. And that's when they came out.
Starting point is 00:05:35 They're like, hey, we have like a backdoor draft, kind of like we did in like 2005, six with Iraq, where they're like backdoor draft. If you were in the military within the last 10 years, you can come back. That's kind of with the IR and everything, but the Russians did that for former Soviets. They were like, all right, if you were born before 1991 or your mother or it's kind of like the German situation before World War II, where they're like, hey, if your mom's ethnic German, they can fight for us and you'll get the credentials and everything. But they just wanted to get rid of every single male in these populations because yeah, they're
Starting point is 00:06:08 going to sustain some losses male-wise, but they're not going to have a problem in this region. And number two, they're like, well, now we have free women to make actual Russians. So and it's such a bizarre way of looking at things. Oh my God, we can talk about it because we were just talking about right before you hit the record button we were talking about, like what the fuck are we going to talk about? But like so many fucking things. Like the first one is the human trafficking.
Starting point is 00:06:32 The human trafficking is like, just so you people know, part of my job in Afghanistan was targeting financial systems of the Taliban. The Taliban love using human trafficking, children, women, specifically young boys for Chai boys. Don't look that up. What I was going to say is the level of human trafficking in this war, in this conflict is something we haven't seen in over 120 years and you were the one that pointed it out. And it's like, it's mind blowing to think that there are three million just women, not
Starting point is 00:07:03 including kids that are going to be ethnic Russians by the time this is over. The Turks did it. I think. Oh, the Great Rape. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're just kind of starting to see like, I guess it kind of all boils down to like, this is war.
Starting point is 00:07:20 This is what real war looks like. And like we've had 20 years of GWAT and people like to tell any veteran of that time era like, oh, your war doesn't matter anymore. The next war is going to be bigger. It doesn't matter because Ukraine's different. It's like, it is. But on the same time, we were exposed to some of the worst fucking people on this planet, whether it was African insurgents or Afghanistan or Iraq.
Starting point is 00:07:49 But I mean, we're seeing what real, real classic war looks like. We're seeing burning of villages. We're seeing the rape of women, children. And we're sitting here and we're saying over here at Croato and we're like, look, this isn't, this isn't good. These Russians have come to fucking play and they're doing it well. And one of the things that they do really well is they send this wave of fucking humans at you.
Starting point is 00:08:12 And there's 20 million, 20 million Europeans in the EU. And I think like 5 million of them have returned to Ukraine and they're partying and we can talk about Kiev and Lviv being a party later on. But it's like, bro, this can't go on forever. You can only take, I mean, this is brutal. I mean, we were able to keep up 20 years of war because, I mean, in honesty, it wasn't that severe. The invasion, the thunder run of Baghdad, Fallujah two times, that was pretty much all
Starting point is 00:08:44 the big fights. And then you had Restrepo and Akunar province. It's small engagements. But we can, I mean, you can pancreation slap fight all day. What you can't do is keep up a war like this magnitude where Russia's going all in and pulling up all the stops. And so it's just, it's crazy to think about that. Like you brought up that three million women right out of Ukraine gone and everyone just
Starting point is 00:09:10 kind of blew over that. They're like, oh, well, Ukraine's still going to win. It's like, what the fuck does winning look like if three million, like five million of your people are gone, bro? That's like fucking five Nashville's. Imagine if Russia took five Nashville's out of our country. We, what the fuck? You just mentioned it.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Like, what does it mean to win? So, I mean, like our group chat is very echo chamber based, but we're talking about, you know, the wheat must flow and you're like, cool. The Russians plus into Donbass, they took those regions on purpose, got rid of all the, they took care of all of the, the farmland and everything, the little fertile crescent down there. And then they took all the farmers and sent them back to Russia and they're like, no one gets to eat.
Starting point is 00:09:50 And so it's like, yeah, they're playing the long game here. Yeah. And so like what, hold on, I'm so close to it right now. Hang on, hang on. Yeah, no problem. No problem. The wheat must flow. The other, we joke about that, but have we ever written an article on that?
Starting point is 00:10:08 Have we ever? No, no, no. Okay. It's not a once, but. Bro. It's like a Bass Door thing. Yeah. 50% of Africa's wheat comes from Ukraine and Russia just took out half of that.
Starting point is 00:10:21 So like 24%. Yeah. Well, Russia. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. Russia and Ukraine produce like what? A third of the world's grain.
Starting point is 00:10:29 And then 50% of that goes to countries like Egypt and Yemen and Saudi Arabia. And Iraq and Ethiopia and Somalia places with very big US military bases. Yeah. Those countries go tits up. Like Americans aren't going to help them out because they already have their own stuff going on. And then boom, they just opened the door for the Chinese, the Russian Wagner group where the French were kicked out of West Africa and all these countries are going to get very
Starting point is 00:10:51 hungry. They're going to have their own little insurrections going on. Who's going to take care of child soldiers? Probably mercenary. So. Yeah. Oh yeah. And I mean, it's, you said it, what does winning look like?
Starting point is 00:11:02 What does the Ukrainian W look like? And it's like there isn't one anymore. Your women and children of that area are gone. 20% of your country is still held by Russia. All of it. And it's like 80% of it is your entrance into the sea. The only thing that still has entrance into the sea is Odessa and it's completely mine. There was a video of a dude swimming like 500 meters out of the sea and he got blown
Starting point is 00:11:25 up by a sea mine. It's like you have no access to the sea anymore. Half your grain is gone. And people are like still sitting there looking me dead in the eye and going, that's slava Ukraine. They're going to fucking win. Like, bro, if you come out of a fight limping with both your, I mean, not even limping, both your legs are gone.
Starting point is 00:11:43 You can't even access the sea. So both your legs are gone. One arm is gone. The entire industrialized part of Eastern Ukraine gone. It's like, yeah, I won. You should see the other guy. It's like, all they did was throw ethnic minorities at you and Chechens. And it's like, at most 120,000 poor Russians have died.
Starting point is 00:12:04 There's still 2 million Russians that are thinking mobilize. And so it's like, we talked about that. You could say like, oh, there's, you know, there's actual Russians inside Ukraine fighting or whatever. You're like, yeah, there's the VDV, the volunteers, like there's the professional forces. And then there's also guys who were protesting against the government and you're not a lot of do that. So they're like, Hey pal, guess what?
Starting point is 00:12:25 You just got drafted. We're going to get rid of you because we know you're going to be a problem later. Yeah. And I mean, this is something like I've seen before. You dope them up. You dope them up and you send them at machine guns. And that's what Ukrainians are saying. They're like, oh, in Bucharest, they're like, they're just running at us with grenades and
Starting point is 00:12:41 yelling and then I'm having to mow them down with a machine gun. And it's like, yeah, the Taliban did that. They used to dope people up on heroin all the time. And it's like, you're doing the same thing. You just get rid of everybody you hate, fill them up with heroin and narcotics, send them at the Ukrainians and they're like, oh, we're slotier in these Russians. And it's like, bro, three weeks ago, that guy was protesting for the war to end. Now he's looking at you on more morphine than it takes to fucking kill Keith Richards.
Starting point is 00:13:06 And it's like, I'm a hero. Well, I fucking know you're not. Like this is crazy. Like it's God. And then there's the the amount of restaging and pre-invasion line up LOS inside like Bella Rus and I'm like, they're coming. Like they are. Dude, I just like I keep like you and I talk about like, yeah, if they wanted
Starting point is 00:13:25 to win really quick, just go right for the jugular. Don't take out Kiev. No. Well, yeah. OK, yeah. I mean, this is a if you listen into this podcast, I'm going to teach you something. It's called a cog analysis. OK. And if Russia did this, if Russia just sobered up for like five minutes, it was like, hey, we actually have to plan this out right now.
Starting point is 00:13:44 We cannot fuck this one up. And they sat there and they said, what is the cog? What is the center of gravity? At first, everybody thought it was Keith. Anybody would have thought that, right? Like you take out the fucking head, the political arm, it's over. You take out Zelensky, it's over. It's not Zelensky anymore.
Starting point is 00:14:01 It's LeViv. And we've talked to you, like you said, in our echo chamber. But that's where everything comes through. And it's a party in LeViv. Everybody who's talked to us who's over there is like, you go down the streets in LeViv, people are drinking, they're having a good time. It's a Tuesday and the beautiful women are out there. Nonprofits are like, donate to me today and they get 40 million dollars.
Starting point is 00:14:24 And it's crazy. It's good life over there. But if you attack LeViv and you cut those the logistics off, all that Western military aid stops to front war at you're trapped. The only way out of Ukraine then is through Moldova and Romania. And those are mountains and everybody's also Russians there. Yeah, right. And so like, you're you're trapped.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Bro, there is going to be a humanitarian crisis at the Romanian border, the likes of which NATO has never seen. Because for those that know Romania is a NATO ally, it would be insane. It would be that there are people who I'm sure a lot of nonprofits in Kiev and LeViv, but if you cut off the Western exit, the supply is gone. The idea that you can just come in and out of Ukraine gone. Like, I mean, that would just spell the end. And the I mean, at first it was, you know, Russia is going to move to the
Starting point is 00:15:23 deeper they're going to take that and then they're going to have Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine, and it's going to provide a buffer zone. I think they're kind of a part of me. I mean, maybe things that like fuck that, you know, like, oh, you want you. You want a buffer zone? I tried to get half now. Now I'm taking the whole goddamn thing. And so that center of gravity, what does everything in Ukraine rely on?
Starting point is 00:15:48 If you attack this one thing, this one thing and you take it out. What in Ukraine loses? It's LeViv. It's it's all the fucking support coming from there. And I don't know if you saw this. There was the all the Bradleys in the 31 Abrams that were like, all right, we're going to build the Abrams from the ground up. It's almost like the Brits did with the Indians back when they had the colony
Starting point is 00:16:08 where they were like, we're not giving you the new toys. You're going to get the shit that we don't know that we know that if you try to fight us, you're not going to win. So I think America kind of learned pretty quickly that after we killed bin Laden and the Black Hawk went down, the Pakistanis picked it up and gave it to the Chinese to review and then they had their own Black Hawks. I thought he was thinking Black Hawks the next decade. Yeah. So we're like, all right, even if we lose, say we lose like one Abrams
Starting point is 00:16:32 to the Russians, even if we're building it from the ground up and it's really stripped down and restricted, that's still American technology that they're going to get a hold of. But 31 tanks isn't going to change the course of the war. If they were smart, the Ukrainians, they would put them around like, you know, move over or something. Yeah, just protect that. I mean, yeah, I mean, and that's actually really smart.
Starting point is 00:16:52 If they did that, that would probably wherever this next attack is coming from. That's where they need to put those 31 Abrams. But they're not going to be there till next year. And a lot of people who pointed that out, they won't be there till 2024. But there is a famous. Oh, I was going to say, do you see the there was some post post of it, some someone on Instagram that posted the ship, the American ship, holding all the Bradleys and all the already going over.
Starting point is 00:17:15 And I was like, wow, I would just love to see the Lusitania sink again. It's like, I mean, you know, Thresher is a thing. Yeah. And I mean, there's a famous battle called 73 Easting. Basically a tank company of like, well, fucking 12 tanks went up against a battalion or a brigade of Iraqi T 60s and they some moped them. I mean, they took out the entire thing. And I mean, that that Abrams and Bradleys together are a force to be reckoned with. The IR sensors on it are so goddamn sensitive.
Starting point is 00:17:55 My dad was a Cav Scout in the first Gulf War. And he followed up on that, actually little one, one threes. And he's like, we were going through. And there's like, you know, there's dead T 64 is dead Republican guard burned onto the tanks and everything. And we're just driving. And we're seeing in every road sign, there's a hole. There's a hole on like, take exit here.
Starting point is 00:18:19 There's this there. Everything has a fucking 120 millimeter shell through it. And he like, the scouts get up to the main battle tanks and they're like, hey, what the fuck was with the road sides? And they are they literally sat there and they told the Cav Scouts. They're like, they hold heat. We thought they were tanks at turret defilates. So you see the like the little fucking sign that's been I mean, to think about
Starting point is 00:18:44 that, like the signs have been holding heat all day. And then in the battle of 73 Easting, it went into the night. And so the IR sensors are so sensitive, it could pick up a road sign. And like, they just fucking put fucking holes through it. And it's like, that's impressive. And so like 31 tanks can make a difference if you put it in Lviv. But I don't think they will. I think they will.
Starting point is 00:19:07 And on top of that, the logistical capabilities. Are we giving them all the tools to fix these things? Because now they have now they have challengers. They have Bradley's. They have Panthers. It was like, they have all these cool things. And I I've talked to like, you know, people inside Ukraine, explaining that Ukrainians are getting like an AK-74, but they're filling it with five, five, six.
Starting point is 00:19:26 And they're like, why won't my weapon work? God damn it, dude. Yes, I'm telling you right now, Dinecore and BAE solutions. The best thing they can do after this war is hire. Are you Ukrainian mechanic? Because he's going to know how to fix Abrams, challengers, T7. He's going to be like the jack of all trades. Like he'll have seen everything.
Starting point is 00:19:45 And like this was something that when you look at Iran, that's how you and I met. When you look at Iran, one of the key problems that they have is that is logistics. They have three main battle rifles. They have the G3. They have an M4 variant and then they have AK-47s and 74s, all of which require different parts, all of which require different ammo. And it's like, bro, you hit one ammo dump and they're going to be sprawling to look through like six ammo dumps everywhere else to be finding parts.
Starting point is 00:20:16 And that's like exactly like you said, if you've got Abrams, challengers, leopards, T-72s, you're going to be looking for parts everywhere. Well, on top of that, after the wall came down and they were like, all right, Eastern Europe's opening up their borders. They want to be a part of NATO, like Romanians and Bulgarians and Poles. They reconfigured the AK to fire the 556. So these guys are getting Polish AKs, the 556, and they're getting 762 ammo. They're like, wow, this is too big for my magazine.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Motherfucker, do you know how fucking pissed I would be to be an American over there right now? Just like, I'm sure I'm sure it is good, but at some point when this next attack comes, it's going to be stressful and there's going to be supply guys delivering shit and you're going to have there's going to be some American who's like knuckle fucking deep in a douce and a half looking for fucking five. He's like, where the fuck is my shit? He's going to have to empty the truck to find ammo for his gun, put it all back.
Starting point is 00:21:10 And he's just going to be like, what the fuck am I doing here? And yeah, I mean, yeah. And so it's just there's and this is what we were talking about later, because somebody called us out there like, oh, death by a thousand cuts, huh? It's like, yeah, death by a thousand cuts, because you've got a thousand fucking things you've got to fucking take care of and you can't do it because you're completely reliant on one, everything getting to Lviv, going from Lviv to Kiev and then from Kiev to the front line.
Starting point is 00:21:39 And I saw one guy say like, oh, well, if they do attack, the supply lines will be closer. Yeah, the Ukrainians will have shorter supply lines. And it's like, yeah, I can see that being a big bonus. And we're like, well, the Russians had that and their stuff got stuck at 40 miles. So, you know, like that that was a it was like it was like a one from Detroit to Toledo, Ohio, like it was pretty close. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just a bunch of fucking Eastern Europeans smoking fucking cigarettes, drinking black coffee and driving trucks
Starting point is 00:22:12 towards the main front. It's it's nothing like we have where it's like there's Chinook, C 130, C 17 boats. I mean, it's Sea Kings, Victor, yeah, we have everything. God damn, dude, one of my one of my buddies, I hope I might make him listen to this, but he he worked special operations logistics. And there's nothing fancy about that because this story, he basically airdropped pop tarts to Navy SEALs in northern Syria. And he was so fucking pissed.
Starting point is 00:22:45 He's like, I can't believe this was my day. I had to fucking cargo net put together pop tarts and fucking Girl Scout cookies they ordered in a bunch of their mail, airdropped them to a SEAL team in northern Syria. And then he gets a fucking email the minute that drops and they're like, hey, fuck, nuts, these are strawberry, not brown sugar. And he's like, motherfucker, like, oh, my God. Yeah, we had that where it was like, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:12 you're going on like a field hop or something with like recondos. And they were like, they open up. They got their little cool, you know, Halo dune buggy. You open up one pelican case, Rippets. You open up a second pelican case, Rippets. You open up a third, a single camelback. That's how I actually I built rapport with the CIA station and JBAD because they're on a state department
Starting point is 00:23:36 order list and then the state department doesn't have Rippets, but they have a bunch of fucking army guys who come over from the state to do the State Department. And they're like, hey, man, can you do his favor? Can you put in an army order for some Rippets? I'm like, how much you want? And they're like, until you fucking leave, that's how much because like we can't order them.
Starting point is 00:23:53 And so you have to work. You're like a fucking. I want the Rippet tribute so bad. Yeah, dude, I showed up one day in a fucking ta ta with like four hundred cans of Rippets. I'm like, I'm hoping this guy will get you through there. Like, no, this is like a month's worth. I'm like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:24:08 Like so funny. Oh, God, you become like you just become a caffeine addict. It's so fucking crazy. But one thing I do want to mention when it comes to like Ukraine, it's like we talked about, you know, what's it mean to win? Because it's we talked about this before. There's like there's no such thing as foreign policy anymore. It's foreign action.
Starting point is 00:24:25 We're, of course, correcting every every three rounds, essentially. You're like, oh, that didn't work. That didn't work. And so when it comes down to it, you're like, we'll say that America just stops giving them the intel because there's no way Ukrainians are doing that on their own. Like say we just stop doing that. How quickly is Ukraine just going to like roll over?
Starting point is 00:24:41 Because if we're giving them all the tools and we just stop for 48 hours, come on, what if we demo it? That if if you wanted to end the war in Ukraine in a week, the Republican Party would just tell the State Department to stop sending intel. I mean, that's literally what our hand is so far up the field artillery in Ukraine's ass. It's not even funny. It's like, oh, the Ukrainians have high mars and they're hitting all these targets. It's like numb nuts.
Starting point is 00:25:10 There is a CIA guy who's working 18 hours right now. He's an intel nerd. Nobody gives a fuck about him. And he is just pinging fucking targets for the Ukrainians to hit. And it's like he's on Palantir. Yeah. Yeah, right. He's like, yeah, he's making sure he's yeah, he's a yeah. God, dude. Oh, my God, fucking Palantir.
Starting point is 00:25:34 That sheet better be locked, motherfucker. Like if his fucking his fucking G.R.G. better be locked or else somebody else from like fucking D.E.A. or another department is going to come fuck with his sheet. Anyway, right. So like that, go ahead, go ahead. Now, I was going to say like going back to that, like what's winning? Like it would take a week because it would take 48 hours for resupply
Starting point is 00:25:55 to hit the Russian lines. And then they'd realize that's hour 72, like, hey, our shit's not blowing up. And then like two days after that, they'd be like, hey, these Ukrainians aren't hitting shit. And then that next day, they'd be like, oh, it's it's it's done. It's done. And the CIA chief did meet with Zelinsky and he did say like, I think it was back in November or December.
Starting point is 00:26:15 He was like, hey, it's it's go to the negotiating table. And when the CIA chief goes open in public, he was saying that four months ago, which was pretty much the fall offensive. I'm pretty sure that the CIA chief called Zelinsky and said, hey, do something or get the fuck out. And he said, OK, and then they did the offensive. They took back Kersen. They got to the Dnieper just above.
Starting point is 00:26:42 What is that? That little island, Crimea. But yeah, that little island, that little fortress. Yeah. Oh, that's another topic in itself. But yeah. So with that, I was like, because everyone's saying the drum is still beating for. Oh, Ukraine needs to be a NATO. And you're like, do you understand that? You're like, do you understand that?
Starting point is 00:27:02 Think of the dumbest person you went to school with and now consider that they're now making national level policy decisions. And they can't tell the difference between a Ukrainian and generic Call of Duty villains. And we're like, we would let so many people in. And I'm pretty sure that's why the Americans only let in like 100,000 Ukrainians who are like, we can't trust these people. Because like if you want to go very simple, you're like
Starting point is 00:27:23 you're Slavs, you're you're Russians, we can't tell you apart. And so with the language or anything like that. And so when it comes to like information sharing, do you understand that we thought Turkey was bad when it came to information sharing? The Ukrainians, like if we're given the intel, essentially, like we will do this, you take it, we are not cross pollinating. Yeah. But it's like, all right. So then for NATO, someone like the Americans of the Brits,
Starting point is 00:27:46 because it's essentially two eyes at this point. They're like, there's there's a reason they've been dragging their feet on it. Yeah. I don't think that'll ever happen. That is. And I think so when ski knows that, I mean, we talked about this, I think it was like six months ago, because like they were making the joke that, hey, maybe NATO can join Ukraine because Ukraine was winning. The biggest thing is that Ukraine is the second most corrupt country
Starting point is 00:28:18 in Europe behind Russia. So it's a big liability. The other thing is we just gave Ukraine a hundred billion dollars in land lease, which is they have to pay that back. We're not taking that equipment back. It is fucked up. There's no returning it on top of a hundred billion dollar loan, which to put that in perspective, in the last 30 years,
Starting point is 00:28:43 Ukraine hasn't even spent, I think, thirty billion dollars on defense. We just gave them three time. Like we just gave them a hundred billion dollar loan. They're probably going to be paying off for a hundred years. And then they have to rebuild 20 percent of their country and they have to rebuild the infrastructure in Kiev. They are a liability. Only like two countries, I think it was like the Swiss and the Greeks
Starting point is 00:29:03 have volunteered to help pay to fix Ukraine after the war has ended. Nobody else has stepped up to put that bill. There is a trillion dollar debt basically attached to Ukraine. You cannot have that come into the EU automatically. That's my dog. Automatically, you're going to see. You're just going to see the Euro drop. You're going to see the value in the EU drop.
Starting point is 00:29:28 NATO will have a huge gaping hole in its line, which is Ukraine. And just like you said, as far as like the intelligence and information, do that would not even be cool. Like to because that's very not chill. I mean, if you've ever gone to set calm and you've been around the Turks, you know, you have like you have one eye on your stuff, but then you have one eye on the Turk next to you who's like looking at your stuff because he wants secret information about where he can genocide.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Kurds. And so it's I can't imagine having Turkey and Ukraine be like two fucking cement weights on your feet trying to swim. Then on top of that, if you look at it for like. It's inside of the intelligence standpoint, but if they have to pay it back, is that do we just buy the 52nd state behind Iraq? Like, is that our permanent Texas inside, you know, Europe? Dude, I wish my taxes wouldn't be so fucking high. But I mean, we said that too when people shit on us then.
Starting point is 00:30:35 But I mean, it's like that's a terrible future to have. And I mean, like some people are saying like, well, the price of freedom is generational debt. And it's like, dude, tell that to the Germans who, you know, created the Nazis. Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, like, dude, I mean, at what point? I mean, Zelensky is talking to Blackrock.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Blackrock is trading like, hold on a second. Blackrock uses AI called Aladdin to buy all of the property in the United States. They're the ones creating the idea of you will own nothing and feel good. Like they're those guys and they're who is going to help Zelensky. And it's like, is it going to be the 52nd state? Like, no, they're going to pay Americans and they're going to get none of the fucking benefits. And so, I mean, at what point do you just like?
Starting point is 00:31:26 Do you go, Jesus Christ? Exactly. This goes right back into it. What does winning look like? It doesn't look like any of this. Not at all. I mean, it's like saying a perfect world NATO does does allow Ukraine to come in. You're like, what kid from Des Moines, Iowa wants to go get killed in Kyrgyzstan? That's yeah. I mean, the only I'll be real honest,
Starting point is 00:31:45 they'd be so fucking happy because every kid that doesn't have a deployment patch, a car, a combat action weapon, yeah, a C.I.B. Like, well, make no mistake, when you're in the military, you're hungry for a kill and it's for all the long reasons. It's for some uniform candy. But yeah, but that's I'm talking about like the backdoor draft stuff. They're like, hey, this is not going up. This is not going very well.
Starting point is 00:32:07 So hey, you from Montana. Yeah, guess where you're going? You know, Lithuania. Yeah, good luck. Like, nah, yeah, I mean, yeah, let's let's map it out. What what does a perfect Ukraine win look like? Well, first off, they take back Crimea. They take back the Donbas.
Starting point is 00:32:23 They take back Luhansk. They take it all back. OK, what's that going to be? Probably another 500,000 dead Ukraine. Ukraine has about one point five million, one million soldiers. I mean, all the active duty personnel are dead. We know that like on both sides. Like yeah, for six months was rough.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Yeah. Yeah. So you're talking about roughly 700 to a million Ukrainian soldiers, not including civilians, soldiers dead. Then you're talking about rebuilding all of the coastline of Ukraine. You're talking about rebuilding Crimea. You're I mean, that's like I said, that's a two trillion dollar budget that they they don't have and nobody's going to give it to them.
Starting point is 00:33:11 And so. I mean, if you look at that way, it's like like in a perfect world, they win, right? They get everything back to like cool. The Russians strategically struck all of their and then after ease, they took all the new reactors on purpose. They took they took out all the fields of for grains or like the Russians. Fuck that country.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Yeah, they're like it's more of a symbolic victory. Dude, Jesus Christ. I mean, like let's let's give it to them. You know, let's say like, OK, they retook it and they rebuild it. That's like a five trillion two to five trillion dollar rebuilding program. And then you've got to get all of those. And let's say every Ukrainian comes back to Ukraine, all 20 million of them that have dispersed into the world.
Starting point is 00:33:55 It would probably be more like, you know, 32 million or something at that point. Jesus Christ, bro. Like all the kids because you and I both know like the youth aren't the ones fighting. It's the ones who used to be Soviets, like the ones who were going. Yeah, I'm not going back to that. I don't want to have to wait in line for six weeks to get to meet. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, that that even goes deeper.
Starting point is 00:34:14 I mean, I'm just given the average Ukrainian dreamer what they want. It's like they have they even sat there and thought about that, like what the the complete and total victory of Ukraine would entail. Like I the worst thing I can say, and I know we jokingly say it, but it's like, bro, this ended in 2014. This this this ended, right? Like they took Crimea, they took Donbass
Starting point is 00:34:42 and then for eight years, Ukraine could prepare and they did. But in eight years, they only trained like 150,000 active duty guys. And all those were just like trained, quote unquote, because there was the Marine, the Black Sea rotational force that went to Mary Opal, like yeah, cause that gunning and all those guys like which Marines trained their own. The American pair showed up and trained the Ukrainian. Paras like you're like, well, like we trained them one on one.
Starting point is 00:35:06 But then, well, they had eight years to prepare. They did. They lost, what, 40 percent of their country in two weeks. Yeah. And then now they're sitting here. It's almost a year later. The spring offensive was six months ago or not. It was yeah, the fall offensive was six months ago. And then like do so.
Starting point is 00:35:22 I mean, it's not looking good. I mean, it Kuwait was the same way. So for those that don't know, in the early 90s, Desert Shield and Desert Storm, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. And took out like the number seven or number eight biggest army in the world. Like number three came down and crushed number eight in 24 hours. And then we went and crushed number three down to like 20th place, America. But that but I mean, the second time.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Yeah. Yeah. But like fifth special forces group had to train the Kuwaitis. So did the Marines in the army. Like we all basically every branch had to go to Kuwait and retrain the army. And they thought it was a fucking joke. The Kuwaitis were laughing, having a good time. Just like the Ukrainians did in 2015 and 16. And some some of the guys were sitting there.
Starting point is 00:36:18 It's like, why the fuck are you laughing? You lost your country in 24 hours. And that's what they did. They fucking sat there and. I mean, that's what's going on right now. Kiev and Lviv are one big party and from who I've talked to. They're like, it's Sodom and Gomorrah. Like, yeah, I mean, the soldiers that are just coked out of their head.
Starting point is 00:36:37 Just yeah, you know, having a great time. That whole issue, I wouldn't say the issue, but like those two cities are kind of like the New York and D.C. of the American equivalent. Like that's their big ones. And if like. We're looking at hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead by hear this here, say, theoretically, the Russians attack again. And I've heard February 20th instead of February 24th.
Starting point is 00:37:06 So it's like, yeah, you're going to you're going to hit a guy. You're like, I'm three, I'm going to hit you and you punch him on one. Yeah, like. I mean, it really the thing that gets me on top of this isn't just like the one topic we keep coming back to is what does winning look like for Ukraine? But the other thing is, is nobody's talking about this stuff. Nobody's questioning this stuff. Nobody's bringing this up in the mainstream media.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Twenty four hours ago, it was brought up on Joe Rogan. That's incredible. But the fact that that's the thing is the silence is deafening because it's like, why does Ukraine need a hundred new tanks when they got 500 tanks from the Russians at a minimum 500? Some people estimate up to 700. Why do they need? Why do they need a hundred more tanks?
Starting point is 00:37:50 Well, is it, you know, the Defense Department sweating? It's like, well, oh, yeah, they need it because they're running out of tanks. It's like, why do they need more javelin rockets? Are they running out of javelin rocket? Like, what's going on? Why do they need a hundred billion dollars? And it's like, well, it's a modern war, but it's like nobody's discussing Ukrainian losses. Nobody's showing me like, hey, up here, we got a weakness for Ukraine.
Starting point is 00:38:13 It's a problem when we're going to we're going to solve it. Nobody's come out and said that. They're all just like, it's going well. Ukraine's winning. Look at all these kill TV photos. It's like I've watched enough kill porn. Tell me what's going on. It's like, well, it's going great. It's like, well, is it? Well, what's going wrong? Nothing.
Starting point is 00:38:29 It's like, I like to think about, I don't I don't know if I mentioned this like in our little echo chamber or anything, but say, regardless, who wins or loses in Ukraine, what's the U.S. going to do? Are we going to flex our muscles inside Africa and just annihilate a country because the flex on the Chinese like now? Yeah, like go back to the Middle East again. I mean, because I mean, Africa would be ripe for that because the U.S. has been pivoting away from the Middle East for some time now
Starting point is 00:38:53 and then redistributing all their assets to like Africa. So you're like, cool. So are we just going to like set up shop in Ethiopia to help and then Chinese out? Dude, if I had to guess what's going to happen, no matter like if or when whatever happens with the Ukraine ends, which I don't think it will, I think it's going to be a stalemate for the next 10 years. And then Russia is going to come back for round three. Vladimir Putin is going to be sponsored by Hover Round.
Starting point is 00:39:20 Yeah, he ain't dying. He's fucking multi-trillionaire. People are like, he's got just particular cancer. Like, bro, he has a new nutsack for all you know, the fucking three million women coming over to Russia. You don't think he found that extra kidney? Jesus Christ. Like, but I was going to say,
Starting point is 00:39:41 I think the United States is going to kind of step back. And then because the EU is coming, Germany just realized it has to listen to the US because it doesn't have an army. And then it found out its army sucks. So the EU is going to become number one. We're going to sell a shit ton of weapons to them. And this is like 10, 20 years because they got to build their armies. We are going to sell so much like the military industrial complex is crying.
Starting point is 00:40:05 They're so happy right now because basically every Russian arms is basically null and void compared to 30 year old technology we created. So they're they're set. They don't need another global war on terror. They got to equip all of NATO now. So they're they they've come back. What did you what did you say? You used the analogy you're like, the world's going to be the NFL here soon.
Starting point is 00:40:27 We're all going to have the same toys, the same helmets, the same past. Just going to be a different culture. That was that was Stephen. Stephen said that he's like, yeah, yeah, because everybody copies American special operations, but whatever. But yeah, we're talking about Stephen real quick for the listeners out there. We had a we had multiple posts in a podcast about this time last year about the role of aviation inside the next war.
Starting point is 00:40:52 We're like, look, the Russians didn't gain air support. They didn't they didn't gain air superiority. No one's flying inside Ukraine. Ukrainians or Russians. No one's flying. Yeah, I had to make that entire thing and I forgot who it was. It was one of the bigger pages. We're like, look at this dipshit.
Starting point is 00:41:08 We're like, all right, pal. Oh, I know, I know who it was. I know who it wasn't. I'm not going to say the name because I don't want them to have the publicity. But Stephen called that. And oh, yeah, because it's the religious thing. Dude, that's a whole old video, Mary. That's yeah, explain that to people.
Starting point is 00:41:27 That's very important. You could think of that. Yeah. So the situation where you could Eastern Church, Ethan, Orthodox Church, they're all in the East, right? The Russians is based out of. Not saying it's an over the spiritual home. You know, I'm not going to go into the schism,
Starting point is 00:41:41 but we had our friend in the group chat was talking about how it's not so much an ideological war, it's a holy war. And it's like the Orthodox Christian equivalent of a jihad, essentially, our crusade to reclaim the spirit of Eastern Christianity. And because he was going, look, Putin shows up to the Kremlin and he has a priest bless it every single day. And then the Russians on the front lines, like Americans have chaplains, but they were like, no, go to the local church and get the priest.
Starting point is 00:42:06 He's going into battle with us to bless us. It's very medieval. And so with something like. And you could probably elaborate further on the Ukraine side, but he was going, oh, this is very much a holy war. And that the fact that Jim, bro, Eastern Europe or Eastern Church guys on the Internet are going, yeah, Russia is justified. Russia is right through the good guys.
Starting point is 00:42:26 They're actually fighting for Christianity. And if you're a Christian, you should actually support the Russians because we're under the same church, same faith. And our friend went, Ukraine's going to ban religion. And we're like, they're just going to get rid of that. And we were like, bullshit. And then six weeks later, Zelensky is like, we will no longer identify as Orthodox Christians.
Starting point is 00:42:44 And it was the ultimate out of left field Hail Mary assessment I've ever seen. He was so deep into Freud, it was scary. The book is called Man and His Symbols by Carl Jung. And Lord, yeah, he was reading that and he was like, bro, the Russians have Orthodox Christianity and the Ukrainians have Western nihilism. He's and then he was like the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which had separated because Zelensky said they are two different things. And it's like, well, no, they're still the same.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Yeah, Stephen said it. He's like, those fucking priests, those Orthodox priests, they're in on this. And he's like, I bet you fucking money that they're going to have to get rid of him and then like what, two weeks later. So it was so funny, like alpha just had a heart to the group. Yeah, just just a kissy face. We're like, yeah, I was like, God, damn it, bro. There was like fucking Orthodox ministers bent over fucking FFSB
Starting point is 00:43:48 or Alpha Group police cars. And it was like, oh, they were seen collecting intel. And it was like, yeah. And basically what Stephen said was, look, this is a war of ideology. It's Western nihilism in Putin's eyes, which I mean, that's the craziest thing. It's like, how do you what the fuck is Putin thinking? And it's like, well, one, he wants to read his book. So yeah, we know, we know.
Starting point is 00:44:12 I mean, Jesus Christ, man. I was, I mean, elaborating further on the whole the whole topic where you were talking like earlier, like, oh, there's these companies trying to get rid of you will have nothing and you'll like it. And that's the collective thought of if you go from, you know, Midwest America, you go to Japan, you go to France, it's all Coca-Cola, it's all English. Everyone's everything's just unisons. There's no identity anymore, essentially, like in an ideological way.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Yeah. And if the Russians punch so hard against globalism, regardless of what if they win or lose, like they broke the mold. And so all these other people are going to go, oh, I don't have to play nice. I don't have to play like this. I can't embrace like religion and these things. I mean, who what comedian was I mean? I always go.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Do you guys remember there was a fucking Jihad 20 years ago? Like a religion attack, the other one. Yeah. Everyone forgets that. Who's that big fat comedian? The rich there. No, he hangs out with Joe Rogan. He does the Sarah McCain.
Starting point is 00:45:17 I only fuck daddy. I only fuck daddy. He said it. He said the only way to be different nowadays is to be a Republican. He's like, if you're a 15 to 18 year old kid and you're coming out with blue hair and you're like, mom, I don't know who I am. It's like, good, every teenager fucking does that.
Starting point is 00:45:39 And it's like, if you want to really piss off your parents, like I'm going to church and they're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, cowboy, still the fuck down there, John Wayne. And yeah, but it's it seriously is like that. And Putin, that's how Putin thinks. He wants to rebuild the Russian Empire. he's a Soviet agent. He was KGB for God's sakes. Some people like to say he sucks. But Tim, one who put his friends in government walking down who actually was the president now, bitch. You're like, his name was it's Tim Dylan. But Tim Dylan. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Yeah. Like, I mean, you're going to rebuild the empire. You're going to rebuild Russia's greatness. You cannot do it without Christianity and the symbolism. That's exactly what Stephen was saying with Carl Jung. It's like, how the fuck are you going to rebuild Ukraine without symbolism, without the Trident, without, you know, where the the Kyvian Rus like all that stuff. And it's like they're they're having they're having to abandon that. They're having to abandon that to appease the West. And it's like, well, that's a Nazi symbol. It's like, is it really? Or is it a Nordic compass that these Viking motherfuckers inherited? And so it's like, we as the West are shitting on these Ukrainians and they cannot act out who
Starting point is 00:46:55 they actually are. And it's like, you better put cat ears on that fucking helmet. I mean, we talked about this before that, like, when the Russians invaded, they were waving Soviet flags and they still have a Soviet flag waving everywhere. And I was like, iconography is huge. And so I might have talked about it on the podcast, but we definitely do it in the echo chamber, where it's like, I explained it as picture America lost in 1991, California, Texas, and New York ran away. And there was a Midwest grassroots movement to go, oh, we're making America great again. And we're going after Texas, because they can say that they're different, but they are ours. And that's the same thing with the so if this new party starts
Starting point is 00:47:30 waving the old American flag, and they're like, we used to be really good. I don't know what we're doing now. So it's like, there's a lot of guys that would jump on top of that. And that's why the Russian youth are going like, yeah, I like that. And the older people are going, no, like, no, we remember that. But you know, it's I read someone that Russia has both the oldest in the youngest population in Europe, because they have a very heavy top heavy. But then under Putin, he was like, I'll give you $5,000 every time you have sex. So the kids were like, boom, I'm going to town. Yeah, there you go. So I mean, but that's that's like what every military does, right? Like, I mean, we still have gats and flags and infantry bays. We still have
Starting point is 00:48:14 I mean, shit, 3% of flags. There's old Betsy Ross flags coming fuck around and find out flags. Shit, I got a pathfinder flag right behind me. And that those those units are dead. I got a torch. And I'm fucking sitting here like getting over my dead body. Will you take this motherfucker? You know, it's gone. Like, yeah, tread on them. Oh, yeah, they tread all over my nuts. Fuck it. So it doesn't surprise me that a bunch of Russians have Soviet flags. And it's like, it this war is so complex. And it's, I think I said it in the group chat. I said, they're so evil. It's respectful. You know, there, there's human trafficking. There's Soviet Union flags. There's torturing this. This war goes so much deeper than this cleansing on their own side.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Yeah, bro. What the fuck? And like, people have the audacity to sit there with us. And they're saying like, if you don't support Ukraine, it's like, look, it's not that I don't support Ukraine or do it's just appreciate this for what it is. This is a lot here. And if you're just sitting there and you're like, well, I bought a couple patches and I supported some Ukrainians, it's like, okay, that's good. But there's so much more than, oh, tanks are obsolete. No, no, no, no. There's ethnic cleansing. There's symbolism. There's religion. There's economics. I mean, information and intelligence is a huge thing. And diplomacy. Shit, NATO just gained two new members. It's the first time in fucking like 15 years. And once again, people are fucking sit
Starting point is 00:49:44 on the page and going, oh, you're a Russian son. It's like, no, motherfucker, look, there is a smorgish board of shit to eat in this conflict. And all anybody has pulled from it is, oh, Slava Ukraine and tanks are obsolete, javelin saints and shit is like fuck off. Like, I mean, I live in our nation's capital, the heartbeat of the world. And by June, I guess Ukraine didn't have it. They were about eight colors too short on their flag for that most. And so after that, all the new flags came down. Motherfucker. God, dude, it's, it's, yeah, I mean, it's really, in a sense, it's sad that your average person just can't look at this and go, Jesus Christ, this is like very wide. I mean, dude, nonprofits, nonprofits after this, my mind has been blown.
Starting point is 00:50:39 So many people have reached out to the page. And I mean, we've seen it too. There are a lot of good nonprofits, but there are so many fucking bad nonprofits out there that just are pocketed fucking money. And it's like, I mean, do your own research, look into your, look into them and see because people have reached out to the page and shown us like just fraud, waste and abuse at a whole another level. So it's like nothing is untouched in this conflict. It's not a military doctrine rewriting. Nobody, nobody at Leavenworth is like, and the Command General Staff College is like, look, look at these battle plans there. They're so mind blowing. It's like, no, dude, they neither side knows how to do combined arms maneuver warfare. That's it. It's, it's,
Starting point is 00:51:22 it's like pre-K fights. It's not anything to look at, but there's many, many other things you can look at and take from this conflict. What does winning look like? Religion, economics, and it's, it's complex. And I think that if you are a student of foreign policy, war, or politics, or religion, or fucking psychology, looking into this war from different angles and different different perspectives is helpful because we've been able as a group chat to look at this from like 20 different angles. And I swear to God, probably next week, Steven's going to be like, I've read space command doctrine, the Russians are going to lose. And it's like, well, what the fuck did you learn? Like, God damn, I mean, that motherfucker literally like three months ago was
Starting point is 00:52:09 like the poles are shifting. That's why they need air. He called me one night. I don't know if I thought he'd like calls me one night. He's like, I've been doing research into polar ice caps and that Moscow is going to be a frozen tundra. And that's why they're moving into Kiev. And that's why they need it because that's going to be the new capital. Because if you go back to the traditional way that Kiev is the spiritual soul of the Slavic people and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, no, it's funny. All right. It's so funny. It's, it's so great. Don't just sit there and compare tank sizes, fucking get out the go read a book, come back to your friends with a dry race marker and be like, pop that bad boy off and go, I'm going to show you how religion plays into
Starting point is 00:52:54 you. Huff it real quick. You're like, let's start. You like fucking chug out half a red bull, huff the marker and go, fuck, yeah, let's get to going. I'm here for that. That's what I'm here for. I'm not here for the Slavic Ukraine. I'm not here for your fucking patches. I'm here for that one motherfucker in the back row huff and paint like, hey, you want to know why DMT is crucial to military strategy. Come up here, Joe Rogan. Come up here, you motherfucker. I want to hear it. You just mentioned the going back a little bit talking about like the Germans going like, oh, we need a military. We need to start pulling our weight. Did you see all the reports of these
Starting point is 00:53:31 Ukrainian refugees showing up in Germany, just refusing to work? And they were like, I'm a refugee. Take pity on me. They're like, cool. If you don't have any money, get out of my store. They're like, you can't steal stuff. Or this is just a lot of videos of like military age men in like Canada bullying people for not wearing blue and yellow. They're like, aren't you a 22 years old? Go fight for your country. What are you doing here? Yeah. Why are you sleeping with my wife? Dude, it's I mean, that's stuff like that. It's like the governments are going like, oh, shit, we got to speed this up because yeah, 20 million people just grifting. Well, I mean, it's two things on that one. Any populace who comes from a war-torn country is going to do that.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Poland is the only. Poland didn't do it to the Ukrainians, but they've done it to the Syrians. They've done it to the Iraqis. They do not take anybody in because they know from watching Germany in France what happens when you let immigrants into your country who are from a war-torn area, you're going to have some bullshit get through. People are going to get tired of them. They're going to overstay their welcome. They did it with the Ukrainians, their Slavs, their brothers, but it's going to happen. And so it's like, yeah. But the second thing about that is that because you said this was like four months ago, right before the fall offensive, everybody in the EU was like Hazelinsky, let's go to the negotiation table with Putin. And he was like, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:55:06 I'm not going to the negotiation table. I'm not going to. And then like the CIA chief went there three months ago and said, hey, we're not going to help you much longer, get your shit together. But now, because we were looking through the, for those that don't know, there was like 2.2 billion dollars approved. There are two divisions worth, 250 javelins, which is two army infantry divisions worth of javelins being sent to Ukraine, 2,000 rockets being sent for javelins over there. Claymores, mines, construction equipment, and tanks. The verbiage changed from, hey, we need to go to the negotiation table to, holy shit, you're going to need a lot of landmines, anti-tank rockets, and claymores. So going back to the, taking that and going back to like why
Starting point is 00:55:56 Ukraine wouldn't be a NATO, they're like, cool. So you have all these guys in, and now they have all these cool toys. And I'm just waiting for an American manufacturer to pass you to get shot down by an American manufacturer javelin in Yemen. Oh dude, last time I was on here, we talked about Wagner. We talked about like, you need to go on and you need to read the Wikipedia page about Wagner because they're literally all over Africa, doing, and in Southeast Asia doing crazy shit. You and Steven brought that up because you said Yemen, and I don't think a lot of people heard that. You need to look into fucking Yemen. There are, it's a proxy war between, it's number one, it's a religious war between the Sunnis and
Starting point is 00:56:38 the Shi'as, the Iranians and the Saudis. And then it's also a proxy war from the US to keep the Chinese out, to keep the Iranians from expanding. And it's just a very isolated conflict where the Iranians are winning because they're using our toys because we gave them to, you know, Libyans. Yeah. Steven said go look at that and I pulled it up and there are so many helicopters that have been shot down in Yemen. It's horrifying. Anybody who has served in a conflict zone knows that if a fucking helicopter goes down, it's called a fallen angel. Literally every ISR, all the drones, everything in the air literally does a 90 degree fucking 180, whatever it takes, and they all just go to that helicopter. There's like a helicopter getting shot down,
Starting point is 00:57:23 like every other month in Yemen, and they aren't just regular helicopters. These are helicopters the United States has given the Saudi kingdom. These are not fuck off helicopters like we're giving Ukraine, like a bare nuts fucking Abrams. They're real fucking helicopters getting shot down, like Matt said. And Iranians winning. And it's like what the fuck. What's so funny on that is, it's like, well, the Iranians are winning, but the UAE is the one spearheading the charge to go fight the Houthis, but they also support the Eastern Libyans who are backed by the Russians. It's that dancy chain of, hey, yeah, it's Sinai's 40 connect four. Dude, it's second. And the worst part is that at the end of the day on the American side,
Starting point is 00:58:17 it's like a 50 year old white man in like a general who went to West Point who doesn't under two wars, by the way. Yeah, who lost two wars and doesn't know what the fuck is going on in SENTCOM. And like he's making decisions and having to deal with like Chinese and Russian fucking cyber attacks. He doesn't know how the internet works. He beats up his cyber guy when his internet is down on his laptop and he can't jack off in his trailer. And he's getting cyber attacked. He's getting mean. They're speaking four different languages, the Russians, the UAE, and it's like, go check out Yemen. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, it's so funny. On top of the like, oh, this old guy doesn't understand how computers work. Do you see that the Japanese minister of
Starting point is 00:59:02 security doesn't have a computer? He's like, I don't know how to use it. That's fucking. If he's in Georgia security, that's great. That's fucking phenomenal. They were like, who's better? That's someone who has no idea how it works. What are you going to do? Hack his typewriter? You can't do shit. Exactly. He's hand jamming notes over here. Oh, it's so funny. I don't know. Maybe you can educate me. But the fucking memes on the balloon, I don't know if they're making fun of the Air Force for not being able to take down the Chinese spy balloon or not. I'm just like, this is the biggest fucking L. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Favorite, I think not a JTAG posted it. And it was like, not to baroon.
Starting point is 00:59:43 Not to spy baroon. I saw that. Yeah, but everyone was, because, you know, armchair analysts come out, they're like, we should shoot it down. They're like, do you understand it's going to cover seven miles of debris? And it's going to be a lot harder to pick that up in middle of Montana. It's going to be fucking NSA dudes out in some fucking cow pasture in Montana. Like I found a panel. I want to believe. But then they're like, yeah, let's shoot it over or shoot it down over like South Carolina. And then it goes into the water and immediately sinks. They're like, fuck. They're like, well, we popped a balloon and it sank. I'm like, fuck. So I don't know. I saw a few things that it's like, oh, it's a
Starting point is 01:00:25 scythe. The US military put it there because there's a looming worth of Chinese and they're trying to get the public. I'm like, you're saying Americans are stupid. We did not think of that. No, it is like the Chinese. That's Chinese. That's not us. Do that. They probably went that way. It's just fucking for shits and giggles. Throw it in. Let's see what happens. The Russians used to do that with the bear. They would just fly two Russian bombers down the coast from Alaska all the way to San Diego and go home. And they were like, how many Americans respond? And it was almost never. Never. Yeah. The fucking, I gotta hate Air Force intel. God, I hate it. Like you fucking.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Really good at one thing. And if you ask them anything outside of that one very specific channel of like, yeah, I work for Masek. And yeah, I know how to tell you the propulsion on this one missile. You're like, they don't care about that. What does that have to got you? Do you really? Yeah, they're really good at the weather. They're really fucking good at the weather. Me talk, you know, who else is good? Everyone else. Dude, I didn't give a fuck about the weather when I was briefing it. So they brought the special weather officer, the SWO in. And so I was just like, this is cool. I did a bad job on purpose briefing the weather. So the weather guy would actually come do his fucking job.
Starting point is 01:01:41 I used to do that. I would call the me talk office on base. And I was like, Hey, can you send me like a weather slide for the next 72 hours? I have a brief. And I was like, cool. So I go back to the pilots. I'm like, you'll know it's hot if you walk outside. They're not on the one guy. They fired his ass. They told them to go back to Kabul. They know shit. They're like, Hey, is it what's what's ceiling going to be today? Like something about like wind direction. That motherfucker literally walks out of the briefing room stands outside for like five seconds. It goes, I think Southwest and they're like, motherfucker, the sun's right in front of you. That's that's that's what I think.
Starting point is 01:02:24 That's the East and he's just like, ah, fuck. I remember doing that. Like I was on I was on a mission one time and they were like, can you get the slap data? And I was like, sure. So I just went to Google and typed in slap and they were like, are you kidding me? Oh my God. Hold on. Let me, let me pull this together real quick. I was like, yeah, I got it. Just typed in slap and this captain was like, did you genuinely think that was going to work? And I was like, no, I'm trying my best here, Sarge. I'm like, fuck it. Like I just watched 14 straight episodes of the sopranos. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I'm gonna be real honest with you, sir. I've been in the tea skiff, getting sweaty,
Starting point is 01:03:01 watching cops, like fuck it. Oh, let me tell you this funny story. So I remember one time there was like a mission and I was like, it was at like two in the morning and I was going to be working night shift. So my buddy's like, here, use my French press, make a cup of coffee. And so I thought it'd be nice after the mission. I was like, gonna clean this thing out, do it real nice. I was on the ship, fill the full water, dumped it out in the fucking city ocean. I was looking at like just this handle. I was like, so I went back to his rack and I sat there for a little bit and he was like, what are you doing here? And I was like, it's gone. He was like, I just got this. It's like it was 70 dollars.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Idiot, bro. It was the funniest thing. Oh, dude. So Chad, when we were in Bagram, he found out who the deputy commander, because he would, he would wake up at like 1am and he would cover the maintenance for all the helicopters. And he would get the briefing slides together and then 9am, he'd go brief the 101st division commander on like air capabilities, like what was down, what was up and shit. And so Chad figured out what his favorite coffee was. And I'm a fucking lieutenant. My life doesn't matter to a colonel who's running all the air for Afghanistan, all the helicopters. And he would have coffee with us every morning. And I'll never forget this because he found out what his favorite coffee was. We grounded it, hand pressed
Starting point is 01:04:27 it, everything, made him a cup of coffee. He came in and he had his eggs and he was eating with us. And he's like, oh man, LT, that is the best cup of coffee. And he like puts it down. He like looks at it, takes a couple more sips, finishes it off, smacks his PowerPoint slides real quick. He goes, all right, I'm going to go tear the battle captain a new one. Joe, get the fuck over here. He just like, he just looked at that cup of coffee, like he knew, like he was going to go get fucking torn up by the division commander. And he's just like, and then he like took like four more big gulps. He's like, all right, I'm going to go tear the fucking battle captain's asshole apart. It's like you sit down. It's
Starting point is 01:05:10 like you're sitting down outside after the bar, you're waiting for the Uber and you're like, you ever just enjoy a nice breeze? I remember one time I was like, I was playing a lot of medieval Total War two a few years ago and like, in the military, I was like deployed. And I was like, oh, I forgot how to do the jihad mechanics. So I just completely without thinking went to the computer, just typed it, how to start a jihad. I was like, oh, shit is looking. Oh, dude. I remember running over to like the Navy technical guys. I'm like, you guys seeing crazy. Yeah, you fucking look at the signal guys. Hey, anything weird? Come over there. Fuck it. It's wild, right? Like easily one of the like full retard moment. My brain just
Starting point is 01:05:54 shut off. And I was like, wait. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, you good. Well, this has been a yeah, it's been a really fun hour. Yeah, I really appreciate you coming back on. I'm sure this is going to get a lot of hate. And I think we're going to have to write a follow up Instagram post about, you know, Ukraine and why they shouldn't be a native. But yeah, we'll make tell you what we'll we'll do what the people want. We'll say Slava Ukraine will sell them some patches and then we'll go on good in morning America and we'll sell teddy bears looking fucking great. It's got a little flag. It's got a flag. Do you ever watch that show American dad? Yeah. When Stan was making the holiday teddy bears.
Starting point is 01:06:41 We show up with Ukrainian bears and Russia's already launched another assault. We're like two weeks late. These are for the kids. The restroom and dumpster truck that I just brought from Poland. Oh, I'm also going to buy the block. But anyways, I'm going to watch you go here. All right, man. All right, take it easy.

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