Kitbag Conversations - Episode 8: A Little Late

Episode Date: May 5, 2022

Three days late but who is counting.  In this episode we talk about how the Taliban might be in Afghanistan. Additionally, Cody and I talk about: - Taliban TTP's - The Ukrainian Mafia  - And Chechens in Afghanistan 

Hello everyone and welcome back. You're listening to Crow Tone Report and we're going to do it a little differently this week and just jump right into the meat of everything. So I'm joined again by Cody, a contributing writer to the Crow Tone Report and one of my good friends. So this week we're talking about a variety of topics including the recent post talking about the Taliban fighting with the Russians in Ukraine as well as several other issues. So Cody, how are you today? Just wonderful. Let's cover our bases and talk about, just explain that post generally because some people may not have seen it but you did say you received a lot of hate. So just explain it, tell them what people were saying and then let's kick this off and I'll start talking about why the

Taliban are in Ukraine. So I've been traveling a lot and doing a lot of reading and kind of sat down and thought man there's got to be something there's more going on in the world than what we're being led on to believe and so I was doing a little reading and reminiscing on posts that we've been floating around the internet for a while and I remember a Al Jazeera post that talked about how Russia was meeting with the Taliban leaders in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan and all those cool little stand countries in Central Asia to essentially finance Afghanistan because the US was withholding their treasury and then from there I thought oh yeah remember that time Kossak Gandhi posted and it was like September or October of 2021 where four Russian IL-76s showed up in

Kabul almost immediately after the US left and I was like hey I'm not a smart guy but I think that might be something like yeah humanitarian aid yeah that's cool and then it's just the steps in motion of the US leaves a power vacuum in Central Asia who's going to fill that the Chinese I don't think they want to get bogged down but the Russians have been there forever so I think that they would want to put their military presence in Central Asia and really kind of establish that they are a either a the lifeline that the Taliban need because yeah they just been dunked on for 20 years 30 40 years but they need some kind of external support and then I thought about Chechnya and how the Russians fought two wars against these

radical Islamic insurgents within the 90s where they were trying to break away and do their own thing and Russia really heavily subjugated that and then from there I thought oh I'm pretty sure that some of these Chechen fighters ended up in Afghanistan fighting with the Taliban training to fight the Americans because they fought the Russians so they know how conventional forces work so then I thought okay so let's kind of like paint the picture here oh we left in August cool makes sense then from there I'm like okay the Russians showed up in September October time frame showing that they're here to help and then there was the Central Asian states like Kazakhstan who had that pseudo revolution in January where hey that's a real dense Islamic population in

Central Asia that's their whole thing and that I thought if the Russians I understand because they spent 10 years in Afghanistan that at these kind of like a radical unorganized unstructured government with endless funds shows up in Afghanistan they're just going to spill over to the next country go yeah let's do this again because I thought of Chechnya so from there I thought all right so the Russians show up in Central Asia to say yeah there is absolutely no way that the the Afghanistan situation is going to spill over into my underbelly because all these Central Asian states border my country I don't need that think Cuban missile crisis in the 60s like hey speak or Cuba can do whatever they want but they're starting with the Russians I don't

think so so from there I thought okay so let's take this to the next logical step Ukraine has been their borders have Russians getting built on for the next or for the last nine months and that the Chechens were immediately called in from the caucus and I thought wow there's there's a lot of pieces here that I don't think anyone really either a addressed or be really considered but if we're talking about a state like the Taliban who number one are unorganized they immediately start shooting at the Pakistanis and the Iranians and the kagasani and all these bordering states where all these states came together with Turkey to say yeah we need to contain this issue let's set Shia and Sunni aside and really contain Afghanistan the Chinese came in and

bought all the mineral mineral rights but didn't send any military personnel because they didn't want to get bogged down what we in the soviet state previously so thinking big picture it would just make the sense to say if I was a Russian going hey I'm going to invade Ukraine this is going to take a lot of time I don't need a bunch of interested individuals in my backyard starting a revolution or start instigating violence against the government because I have something else to deal with so let's pay off the afghanis afghanis let's grab a bunch of Taliban veterans who've been fighting for 20 years they fought a conventional force they know how to do this let's grab a few of them dump them over into Ukraine we'll mingle them with the Chechens and then from there go yeah I

will give you money I'll keep your country alive keep fighting the Pakistani the Iranians they're the ones the US really focuses on keep the US's focus of attention off of Ukraine and kind of have them fight a pseudo two-front war because the US is in Iraq the Russians are in Syria they already have a two-front front going on there it kind of makes sense it's really hard to put all that in a 2000 character Instagram post but it's something bounce around in the back of my mind as I'm traveling and I thought yeah this might be this might be real so what do you think so the only thing you're missing though and a lot of people don't know this is that for 20 years we actually have been fighting Chechens they are and they were in Iraq they still are they were in

Afghanistan in fact I've helped kill quite a bit of them there were two units the Taliban had they were like their special operations the first one was Red Cell they called them Red Cell they had body armor they had NVGs they had Pek 19s and for those of you that don't know that's the little laser that goes on the end of your gun so you can see it under NVGs and other people can't so also acts as a flashlight as well under NVGs and so we have targeted them in Afghanistan we have killed them I've seen them firsthand like what they're capable of I mean they will 12 Red Cell guys can take on like a company of Afghan soldiers which isn't saying much but the other one was called the laser units and they would use Pek 19s and NVGs to direct RPG fire

and so you'd just be like in an A&A base a little Afghanian and you wouldn't know it but there'd be a laser on you and all the RPG guys could see where the laser was and they would just shoot at that and just salvo RPGs on a location and move and so they were very very efficient we tried hunting them and killing them but it's like where does this equipment come from you know where do where do you get as an Afghan in the Taliban lasers NVGs helmets training body armor I mean you can say whatever you want about Pakistan or Iran but it's like would you give your next door neighbor that's a terrorist cell weapons you wouldn't and so it it came from the Chechens the Chechens had the training the Chechens could be hired as mercenaries to train the Taliban set up

mercenary camps they would act as snipers sometimes as leaders and they have a working relationship that goes back probably to the 90s I'd say under Osama bin Laden when he declared jihad and against the United States and then even against Osama bin Laden versus the Russians when he declared jihad there I mean for those of you that don't know Osama bin Laden from Saudi Arabia gathered all these Mujahideen fighters with his construction money from Saudi Arabia and the Chechens answered the call so I mean this relationship isn't just 20 years old it isn't 30 it's almost 40 50 years old and so when we say like hey there might be Taliban with these Chechens I'm not saying like oh where's your proof I mean they've known each other for 50 years they've fought together for the last 20

against us and so when we start seeing some of the evidence compile for those of you who don't know once again it is very customary in Afghan culture to have sex with male counterparts the idea is that you know it's women are for procreation men are for fun and there's a thing called a chai boy like chai tea they'll Afghan Taliban posh tombs will rape little boys and so it's it's what happens over there and we have evidence ask your local Afghan vet he'll tell you it's a real thing and we're seeing that come out of Mary Opal we're seeing that come out of what's some of the other places that were attacked and then the Russians were driven back you know there's raped little boys and girls and it's like I don't know if that's customary in Russian culture

but I know for a fact that I've seen it in Afghanistan and so we're seeing something that's kind of you know you say what's your evidence it's like right there and I don't think the Chechens are all for that they come from a modern country ish I mean they they sell their gas to the Russians so I mean the evidence is there but you have to many people just don't know like you were saying before we started this a lot of veterans are like I can see that well it's like yeah because we've every now and then you're going to find some Taliban fighter who's just like crazy good at fighting and you're like what the hell is his deal and you either kill or capture them and you're like oh shit it's a Chechen like that's why I mean if you watch I think it's either Restrepo or

Korongol they talk about it like every fighting season the Chechens would come in during the summer to lead the Taliban and they would get money from the Russians to kill an American so I mean Pete like I said you you received a lot of flak like oh show me your evidence like receive a lot of flak I'm at but it's a lot of DM saying I don't know what I'm talking about and I was like hey man let's just let's think yeah it's like not even like let's think it's like show me you don't know what you're talking about without showing me you don't know what you're talking about like yeah you're stupid like guess you never guess you didn't know about that working relationship and so but yeah it's crazy that you mentioned a Pakistani fight because I've been reading it's a book called

Ghost Wars it's about the 1990s Taliban and like basically after the Soviet Union left somebody had to deal with the Mujahideen the Taliban all these regional powers and the power vacuum and even the Pakistanis back then they looked at the Taliban they said we can't control them like the Pakistani CIA which is called the ISI they were like we cannot control the Taliban and so if you want to segue into that I know you posted about Pakistan and Afghans fighting which is funny because for those who don't know eastern Afghanistan it's the Pashtun Valley it's like the homeland of like the biggest baddest Taliban fighters and there's Kandahar in the south which is like their spiritual homeland of the Taliban my wand is down there it's where like a hundred

plus British soldiers died there's Jalalabad in the east which is where only I think like in the 1800s there was like a British chaplain who made it back to Jalalabad after Kabul fell but it's like the eastern part of Afghanistan is no joke just Taliban central it's the homeland the spiritual homeland it's where the heroin grows it's historically where all the fighting has happened Khorngall and Restrepo the movies that you saw what's his name Sebastian Younger yeah Sebastian Younger made those movies he made those movies in eastern Afghanistan and it's uh it's no joke I mean it's where Bob Chapman was the only Air Force combat controller like special operations John Chapman 20 years of war the only Air Force guy

to receive a Medal of Honor that base and where he died eastern Afghanistan um but yeah Pakistan's got its hands full man you want to talk about you want to talk about I was reading an Al Jazeera article yesterday that said uh there was kind of painting the picture where it's like hey us left in August almost immediately the Taliban didn't want to play friendly with the Pakistanis where way hey we can go way into the weeds of how the Pakistanis helped the Taliban it was like hey they immediately had a border clashes and then they're also seeing that's their whole thing so it's kind of like a similar ideology fighting one another so it's like you could break it down that line but then they started shooting at the Iranians and the Iranians were

not having it the Iranians were losing where oh yeah Taliban would just walk up asking for food or whatever not good what they wanted and just shoot up the checkpoint and then the Iranians would just lose guys so they were diverting resources over to the east to bleed in the middle going hey this Taliban threat we don't trust them like we funded them to fight the Americans cool Americans are gone now it's our situation so but then from there we have like Kyrgyzstan who during the withdraw Afghan refugees were heading to Kyrgyzstan but they were armed so the Kyrgyzstanis were shooting at them going like you're not coming in yeah where hey you can say whatever you want about the Afghani president who flew with all the gold in the Kyrgyzstan for sanctuary hey that's

cool but you have all these what's a good word to put it for them it's you have an unstable region that is now self-autonomous they're autonomous after shit 40 years of war and these neighboring states really want to contain that and so it's strange as i've posted about it before that the Saudis the Turks the Persians who don't like each other partner with the Pakistanis and the Kyrgyzstanis and said hey let's let's contain this issue so i thought hey why wouldn't why wouldn't the russian step in and say like yeah i'll do this i'll take care of this like hey keep fighting each other i don't give a shit but hey keep this to a minimum because i don't need these i don't need this idea bleeding over into the caucus again or central Russia where

not a lot of russians live but their militaries very sparsely parsed or placed along that location that if there's an insurgency it's going to be a pain in the ass so kind of painting the picture yeah it makes a little sense it's just so great like people don't understand like there are rare people know like oh Afghanistan has you i think you talked about it like rare earth minerals but it's like not only that they have 90 percent of europe's heroin trade is from Afghanistan there are diamond mines there's rubies sapphires in the mountains when i was in Afghanistan in uh 2018 to 2019 uh i was reading stuff about places we hadn't been in 10 years of like taliban defending and attacking sapphire and ruby mines and like there were places we

didn't ever fucking went in the mountains and like to give you an idea how high these mountains are and how vast this place is these mountains were higher than helicopters could fly so the taliban could shoot down at the helicopters and so the vastness of like how rich the taliban are now like they may not have the gold but they have the heroin trade they have and then okay first off people are going to sit there and they're going to say well that they made taliban made heroin trade a weagle and i'm like okay let's say you grow heroin for 10 years and then you have stock piles of it because it can be turned into paste it can be turned into powder it can be basically longevity and you produce 90 percent of the heroin trade in europe and you say hey no more heroin

production we're cutting it off what is the demand for heroin do it goes up or stays steady the supply drops but you have all this warehouse full of heroin you're going to make a shit ton of money so it's kind of funny that the here the taliban have said hey no more heroin and they literally did this right after we told them hey you're not getting the gold you're not getting the the uh the afghan savings fund so they cut the heroin trade off they have all their warehouses full so the price of heroin is going to go up and the taliban are going to become uber rich and now they have also like we'll think about this way i know for a fact that taliban fighters have been seen in libya and where all those african refugees leaving central africa

western central eastern africa they're meeting in libya in like basra in triply and scooting over to greece in italy and hey if your number one's a customer is europe i think i would want to make a lot of points of contact in those uh transit regions going like hey give me a few dollars you don't like the europeans but you're moving there hey cool let's let's make a trade and it's also demolder he just got deleted on instagram but he was the number one cartel instagram page talking about like a lot of interference activities going on in rip to him his page got shut down he's got a backup make sure you follow it but it's not too uncommon to find central asians showing up in mexico going like hey do you want to partner up it's like hey if the cartel has a cocaine and the

afghans have the heroin and they're all going to the us and you're like it just makes sense in a it's a basic business strategy to go like hey let's partner up you make some money i make some money it's cool my government doesn't give me money because the us took it i'll take the fight to the us like it just makes sense well i mean people will sit there and they'll say like well islam prevents you know drug usage it's like well if you read the book ghost wars they'll tell you that it's like okay to grow heroin and produce it as long as you're not using it and it's even better if you're giving it to christians and so it's like bro it's it's not just like a war it's a drug war on the enemies of the taliban and it's funny that you're saying like oh the middle eastern

countries are now all you know a great alliance to keep contain what is the taliban but i i mean even with the largest defense budget eight times over that the next guy america could not contain afghanistan and it's it's insane to think that anybody could contain that thing like i was saying just the vastness of this country how rich it is in heroin rare gems rare earth metals and you even said it yourself china owns the rights to all of these and they are not going in there they're like this may have been stupid and now they have like what an entire army's worth of american military products m4s 240s night vision goggles body armor a couple helicopters i mean dude they're i mean man let's take this one a step further i know you're really dialed into the

russian deep state isle 76 is show up to kabool how much can you store those okay which can you okay you can supply anything you want so if the russian deep state or the mafia is really running a lot of behind the scenes show who really this is alex jones territory put putin and power that's like hey if these guys show up to afghanistan they're not playing by conventional rules yeah because they understand how the black market works so it's if the americans tried in the soviets tried more of a conventional approach to central asia let's say the russians wouldn't do the complete opposite and be successful so for those of you just hire a few cheskins like you talked to them and like i know i'm russian but i know they don't like us and a lot of their kids have red hair but if

we have a couple cheskins showing up being like hey remember us we helped you time to help us so for those of you don't know because we've talked about this in a different podcast but it's when matt's sitting here saying he's like isle 76 isle 76 they're like isle 76 like the walmart peanut butter isle like no it's called inolution 76 this plane is the equivalent of like a c like a c 17 it's it's got 230 cubic meters of cargo space officially and it's got 110 000 pounds or 50 000 kilograms worth of cargo space when this plane was designed it was designed with a secret cargo space underneath the floorboards by the kgb it is not on the official uh f a a cargo registry what that means is when customs checks these planes they only have to

check the cargo they do not have to check the secret cargo compartment so these planes go into areas with like un aid let's say to afghanistan with and then they'll unload a bunch of aid and then the cargo space will be empty but what they'll do is they'll use money to fill the secret cargo space with heroin and come back on the un's dime so the un hires these guys to go in and deliver aid but then they fly out on the un's dime with heroin and so now that the game's gone right like there's no customs in afghanistan anymore and like what matt's saying the russian deep state is kind of fucking desperate right now and so you want to declare war on the west i think uh as summer starts to pick up uh those isle 76s aren't just going to fill their secret

cargo space with heroin i think they're going to fill the whole goddamn thing with heroin that the russians are going to buy and those planes are not marked with russian markings they're not russian planes they're like dubai or some shit and so they'll fly out of afghanistan and probably into the middle east or like matt was saying greece or libya shit i bet libya is not even checking so what am i saying i'm saying the russians could essentially hire these isle elution 76 planes go to afghanistan fill up on heroin go to libya unload tons of heroin make a ton of money all of a sudden you've got all these refugees coated to the neck and coats full of heroin and then they go to europe to sell heroin one of the

most addictive drugs in the world and obviously europe we have entire communities and say like sicily or an island on the coast of greece or malta malta sometimes spain or was it corsica where a lot of the refugees were heading out of africa into france for uh yeah corsica and they have their own revolution going on right now they're very anti-immigrant but you have all these islands that are like a one hop away from the capital and so we can look at that way or we can look at it like hey the russian secured every single airfield with the vdv which let's take a step back the vdv were called in and the spetsnaz were called in and secured every single airfield in kazakhstan in 72 hours not a smart guy but i think that it was a dry run for

ukraine but it was yeah they just do a one hop from afghanistan to kazakhstan set up some little locations the russian peacekeepers around kazakhstan they fly over to eastern europe and they're like all right well now we have Taliban fighters like set aside heroin and all that it's like yeah just pump that into africa let's just see if these guys all ended up and then let's just bring the fighters into central asia and then from central asia over to like the caucus and they're like all right now you're going to go meet with the cheshins and i know you guys like the cheshins and the dagestanis and we're going to send you guys to mary opal and like you just said that we have all these horrific inhumane acts being performed on kids where it's like hey

russians were doing whatever they wanted with like girls but they weren't touching boys but in mary opal specifically where the cheshins are a lot of boys like young kids are being touched like let's start let's start painting a picture here yeah you're you're i mean i i kind of went off the rails with the heroin but i mean what's even funnier about that is i think kazakhstan's had the same president or like a dictator for the last like whatever many years so it's like i i think that's a good that's a good assessment right like you do a dry run on your buddy who lets you do a dry run and uh i mean kazakhstan if you just kind of cut the the president or the dictator whatever he's fucking called in um let's like politically as soon as the soviet union fell

all these russian oligarchs were like hey everyone in the soviet union were coming back let's change it to like the confederation of independent states but it's a soviet union so if you look at any aljazeera bbc fox news you know cnn article they always call them the former soviet republic of because it's almost like they're still the leaders are still the same lukashenko and belarus has been in power forever he never left so it's not it how am i trying to put this to words it's i think it makes sense on the russians angle because if you have 136 different minority groups within your country and 80 percent of your population lives along the polish border

it's like hey let's kind of let's kind of keep those guys to the side and pay off the guys we know who are going to be troubled and have them help us up so yeah let's take it a step further where if we have all these taliban fighters that allegedly taliban fighters flying in from afghanistan and the ukrainians were trained by the americans let's think ttps they probably have the same ttps it's really like this is how you defeat an american column this is for those ukrainian column for those who don't know ttp means uh tactics techniques and procedures so we don't not everybody on here's a marine vet

but yeah i i think this is people are going to call us crazy like it's some it was a good case here there's a great case for this and i think once so let's let's take it a step further all right it's like all right afghanistan fighters are there they're bogged down in mary opal i mean who better to make somebody quit than like what would you call this like scare tactics like night like i mean there's many ways to make people quit right in a fight you can overwhelm them with casualties you can just kill them like america does we will like uh but i mean if you want to talk about how do you make a unit like azov and the ukrainian marines which are in eastern ukraine how do you make them quit right like you can't beat them you can logistically

destroy them but if you throw chechens and taliban in the mix who are going to hurt women children they're just gonna do everything to everybody it's like how do you break that how do you break them you send the taliban and the chechens in yeah let's take this one a step further it was pretty well known that the russians were calling in syrians who fought in 11 and who fought in demascus to go into mary opal and clean out cities they were sent to they were sent to what harkov too but it's like hey man let's just get all these guys together who understand urban fighting who understand how to fight a western way of life and just dump them into a centralized area they don't have to like each other but i'm sure if we were like we pull that religious card

where it's like hey let's dump them all together they'll figure it out and we'll pay them off and that's all that matters yep i mean that i mean i we're trying not to talk about ukraine in this this this episode but i mean let's let's talk about all those foreign fighters right like we've seen syrians we've seen chechens we've seen uh did you say libyans as well i've seen no libyans i haven't seen anything about libyans but they kind of have their own thing going on fighting between the pro-west and pro-east state i saw a post about ethiopians lining up at the embassy in russia that might come up too but there are who are the the ones that just fought chechens the uh they look asiatic uh like they look asian they look almost mongolian uh

um you know whatever you know what i'm talking about for those who don't know um the front line uh is being manned in eastern ukraine by what looks like eastern russians they're uh they look almost mongolian and so they pull a lot of their guys from eastern russia from like vladi vastak and the ones who were doing the dry runs with like vastak 19 and all those good military drills with china they were like all right we did a military drill with china let's try something different but i mean and then they got the chechens and so it's like it it has become a very much a what's a good way to put this throwing different ethnic cultures into into this different ethnicities into the meat grinder

besides russians uh so it's to sit there and say like to circle this all completely back to sit there and say like the taliban are you kidding me that's that's ridiculous it's like literally everybody and their mother is at ukraine right now and they're throwing the the kitchen sink hasn't even been thrown yet and i would compare the taliban to like the mop like the taliban isn't a stretch you know like jesus um but that is crazy right now because you talked about like a confederation of almost like a coalition of the willing going to ukraine let's talk about how the us fought in afghanistan us was the overarching leader in afghanistan but you had guys like the germans who showed up where we're like oh we have labor loans we can't really work we can't work more

than 40 hours a week and we have guys who are like the polish we're like i want to go but i'm legally not allowed to do anything where you have guys who are the brits who are like i'm gonna do whatever i want because i can so it's like let's call the brits the chechens and then you have this coalition of the willing going into ukraine which is almost like nato where it's like hey the french they didn't want to go to iraq and everyone got pretty pissed or like you're french you're a part of nato but then they went into malin did their own thing but it was it's almost like the uh what do they call it the uh like a counterbalance of alliances where it's like who do the u.s like i'm gonna like that like other venezuelans don't like the americans i'm sending i'm sending wagner and

vdv guys to uh venezuela to train them oh america try to send a peril military unit from columbia into venezuela yeah guess who called them the russians so yeah it's i mean pretty crazy speaking speaking in that in that regard right like afghanistan and the experience it was with like all of those countries because i mean i can off the top of my head the cheques the romanians uh australians a lot of australians uh the british the thuanian polish german italian i've worked with all of them in a combat environment and it is holy hell to get them to agree because just like you said like the polish and the lithuanians we had to keep them on such a short lease leash because like when it was go time they were going they were running a hundred miles an

hour and you had to stop like stop hurt it like stop fighting like and so the british uh dealt with a lot of the heroin trade they dealt with a lot of the basically taliban logistics and so it a lot of key players a lot of different things a lot of things going on and it was an experience to see one of the greatest quotes i'll never forget this was a british or uh it was a german being replaced by a british officer in bagram and they were eating lunch and i was with my buddy and uh he sits there and the german goes whatever you do don't try to tell the americans to take a break or take a second he's like you're gonna be working 12 hours a day every day no breaks no weekends and the british guys like these americans are crazy he's like they just don't stop and he's like

the german goes the best way i can explain to you what it's like working with americans is the taliban are willing to die for their country and fight to the last man and the americans are willing to kill just about everybody here so it's a match made in heaven that these two finally meet and so he's like this war will never end and i was like hey that was an old quote from the uh the afghan war where it said like how do you fight someone who sees heaven at the end of a gun where it's like you meet him with an american who's like no i'm trying to live i'm not going home dead like well i i i will tell you i have seen that in the reverse and it is the funniest thing ever because lithuanians are pagan and they still believe that dying in battle will get them a seat

at the table with god and so to see a group of people who are not real warriors the taliban who are just bullies with guns meet people who are willing to die who want to die in battle holy sweet jesus it's a difference like they the taliban are like oh we see heaven at the end of a get they don't they really don't i i've seen true pagans fight and it is like nothing we should just if we really wanted to cut the defense budget we could just give guns to the pagans in the politics and we could just hire them out it's like gherkas it doesn't make sense you should not be able to fight that long are another story yeah they're insane they are one guy killed what 17 taliban fighters with a shovel it's like yeah i mean it's just like uh i don't know if you've

ever heard of the 18th century battle of the sheiks versus the taliban it was like 10 000 taliban fighters versus like 12 sheiks and the 12 sheiks killed like two or it was like 100 something they were outnumbered like a thousand and one and they said good odds like holy so it's like but i mean these aren't to go to circle it back these aren't warrior cultures right like these aren't the chetchins are not the the chetchins today the chetchins in chetchnya the cadero bites are not true chetchins the reason why i say that is because the fsb and russia killed off all of the chetchins in chetchnya all those warlord groups and then gifted chetchnya to the cadero the cadero family so whatever you think about chetchins today they're not the chetchins of

the chetchn war if you look it up the fsb which is the predecessor or the the grandchild of the kgb the fsb killed all of the chetchn warlords and then gifted chetchnya to the caderos and then they took hold of chetchnya keep it under control and give the gas to russia and so we're looking at that way if all these what do you call them believers of chetchnya who are getting like ousted by the russians are like let me just go to taliban let me just go to afghanistan yep and just let let me just take a logical leap that these guys are like where's jihad at cool afghanistan yeah it's cool it's not it's not iran because then you start bleeding religious lines where it's like she and suni really don't like each other and i don't think they're going

to iran to fight you know the iraqis so um yeah i mean that's that's a good example where did all the true chetchins go i mean afghanistan yeah uh some of them went and found jobs and lives uh chetchnya is right next to georgia and ukraine georgia has the highest uh highest percentage per capita of members of the russia mafia so it's not unheard of that they might have gone there uh because i mean there's a huge black market i mean remember back in like what 2003 or four or five where a bunch of chetchins took that movie theater hostage yeah and the russia solution was just to kill everyone in the movie theater they were like all right done yeah terminated but yeah if we're like putting a bunch of pieces together here it's like it makes a little

sense that these chetchins in the 90s who are being murked by russian spetsnaz who are like yeah i'm just gonna go i'm gonna go to where the spiritual home is if afghanistan's it it's it because once what was the name osama bin laden called jihad in the 90s in the 80s he was like everyone yeah went to fight the soviets the same thing was called and back in 2003 when uh or 2001 even the 90s where it was like hey they were bombing american embassies in africa and everyone knew it was al-qaeda but it was like hey these guys are from all over the world you can't really point them in one different direction yeah i mean but that's what makes it a terrace so so great right as long as it's not like a a direct line so as long as they don't they they shouldn't have to work

together these sleeper cells creating all these random events and who better than chetchins right and so uh yeah there's just so many like if you're if you read a book um it makes sense that the taliban and the chetchins work in relationship that goes back 50 years it's it's not uncommon to think like they might be there in ukraine but yeah i mean it it really is just like uh it's kind of funny isn't it like russia's kind of doing their own iraq with their coalition of the willing or unwilling we should say because there's syrian fighters chetchen fighters possibly reports early in the war that a lot of the conscripts that were being sent into ukraine on the first wave with like three mags and a t72 with no gas and no weapons were from communities in russia that are very

historically troublesome to the russian government they're like all right if russia loses in ukraine we know that these areas are going to be very problematic let's get rid of the fighting male population first so that's a lot of the guys that were caught by the ukrainians early in the war were like 45 year old school teachers from central russia yeah they're like i was a teacher two months ago and i was met at my door and they said you are in the army now and you're going to ukraine and so a lot of those first wave guys were everyone said like oh they're conscripts they're conscripts yes they are but yeah it's almost like russia was i always say it like 40 chests that russia was attempting this grand scale offensive into ukraine and trying to clean up the loose edges

because they know that their internal population is not too pro russian like you have all these russians but 80% lives on the east who are like along poland but the other 20% are on the west my mistake 80% are in the west 20% are on the east seems like that 20% historically not very nice so yep it makes sense to round those guys up and like forcefully send them to ukraine but it's the coalition of the willing almost essentially i mean they're really pulling that jihad card because i haven't heard the word jihad thrown around in like 10 years did you was it you that posted on crow tolin where it was like the chuchans had a cleric in battle rattle like full black plate carrier helmet and he was with the chuchans in mario pool doing the whole

allahu akbar takbir stuff was it you or somebody else i think we posted it in the group chat for sure we posted in the group no it was definitely shared in the group chat i was like it was either myself popular front or yeah one of those guys yeah how are you gonna look at me and say like oh the job there and there's like a whole like a la who always goes to grozny they're like oh the chuchans fought in grozny that was intense that was one battle 20 years ago yeah hold on how many wars have gone on the last 20 years that are conventional and it was none but how many are isometric a lot a lot so how many different let's let's take this one step further how many tall man fighters showed up with isis and molly to fight the french because they knew how the

americans fought in the french fight the american way yeah i'm not a smart guy but i think a lot of a lot of guys were trained in the the hindu kush and west i mean to fight the french it now we're talking about like a blurred line right so it's like but it's it that's a really really that is a really good point and for those who don't know um let's take a big step back because that's that's a really good point actually i wasn't thinking about that how many times okay so al qaeda is what osama bin laden created al qaeda was in afghanistan and pakistan border training america goes in in 2001 to afghanistan they say taliban you are in control of afghanistan please give us al qaeda al qaeda is right there we can see them give us them

and osama bin laden with al qaeda said no you are posh tune you must protect your guests you must defend me declare jihad and fight the americans and the taliban gave it a couple hours and they were like we either uphold our traditions and values or we give al qaeda to the americans the taliban decided hey we will fight because nobody tells us what to do in our country and we are posh tune and we will protect our guests al qaeda and so the taliban and al qaeda kind of became like one after that it's like this weird gray amoeba like two cells merging together type thing and it's like okay you just brought up a good point it's like there's taliban fighters in africa there's taliban fighters in libya but it's like how many times have we sat there and it's

like al qaeda this al qaeda that there's an offshoot of al qaeda in iraq there's an offshoot of al qaeda over here and it's like taliban and al qaeda are pretty much one after 2001 and so it's like anytime you see al qaeda and the taliban it's pretty much the same thing because you i mean they take al qaeda as a terrorist group taliban being afghanistan but it's like once you're taliban and you leave afghanistan are you considered al qaeda and so that is a great point in fact we should clip that that it's like okay so i'm how many people were like like dude i went to libya and it was very common to see isis fighters insert the isis in the day and miss rotten tribe militia at night and it's the same thing in afghanistan where it's like it's really cool to be taliban during the day

but what's isis doing at night yeah i'm going to be isis yeah so it's dude look up a link profile or a baseball card of these guys where you're like how many how many i irs have been associated with these individuals every single day it's how many how many of these well the funny thing is is right is like the american system of justice the justice american system or if you want to call it but it once you create another terrorist group we have to create a whole new task force perhaps like it's like it's like the Kurds right so it's like the Kurdish fighters in northern iraq every other day there's a new group of them there's the pkk there's my brain escapes me there's other ones but it's like once you create a new group we have to put that is that a terrorist group is that a

nonprofit is that what is that and so all these all these bureaucracy guys have to sit down in a meeting they have to go okay is this a terrorist group or not it's like well i think it is and another guy goes no it's not a terrorist group and then this no no no they are and then they all argue meanwhile they're still doing stuff and it's like you said johnny joe terrorist changes his affiliation every night and so it's like who has the targeting packet for this guy and it's like oh he's he's no longer taliban he's al-qaeda give that to the al-qaeda working group and then you give it to the al-qaeda working group back in the foundation alz Wahari was taliban or he was he wanted to be the mujahideen back in the 80s yeah but osama said he was a bit too radical

so he's like okay yeah he said you're a bit too much he showed up with tattoos and whatnot so he goes to prison and jordan gets really radicalized goes to iraq starts his own little uncertain organization and then guess who comes back knocking on his door it's like hey man uh my name's uh osama bin laden and we're fighting the us would you like to fight the americans so everyone talked about how we fought al-qaidan after iraq but it was really just isis just under a different yeah so jesus man like so god this is crazy it was like a lot of those guys that like they bled into syria and they were like this is al-narija front you're like no it's still al-qaida they just moved yeah this is top tier right because it's like

this is a top tier podcast because now we're talking about like well it's not they're not taliban they're isis and al-qaida it's like well where did they start like like it's it's not training was it the hindu kush i think it was so it's like they're they're not they're not taliban they're just bogey haram god you're such an idiot it's like they're literally all the same thing like they all train after a while isis just drop the is and just islamic state because like philippines nigeria or nigeria samalia iraq syria afghanistan all these different groups were like oh by the way we're part of isis and so at that point you're like in a business standpoint you're like yeah you're for us yeah cool

i'll just adopt the same flag you're like cool well now isis is in indonesia yeah i mean and what's funny is it's so simple to do that it's a terrorist organization but if you know anything about the intelligence community anywhere you work the minute they change the flag in the name it is like oh man now we gotta hire a whole new set of guys for this and like i mean like let's say this let's say just like matt said the isis becomes is right and so you've got a group of guys who are working on isis and then you got a new group of guys who are working on the islamic state and the isis guys aren't doing anything because there's no more isis stuff going on they're now is and so you got iraq syria but they're like can you look into your uh cyanide please

yeah cyanide that's an entire new cell and so you've got like all these this 20 foot 20 story building of like nerds going through and like what is happening right now and it's just one guy in iraq changing the the terrorist website like no we're no longer isis we're now uh what are we gonna call ourselves this week and just the headaches that come from it and you know and then it's like branding right and so it's like it's no longer isis it's is it's the islamic state so anybody can join you can be anywhere in the world you can be in the philippines be be the uh so if we're like looping this all into like one big picture from an intelligence standpoint it's a pain in the ass yes because it's we know that albu bakr al baghati's been isis for 10 years he's

dead now but all of his affiliates where we'll say like on some random whatever form that says he's so alive people are going to build a whole cell on him and then it's a dead end so it's kind of a pain in the ass yeah it's it's so just to circle back all the way to the beginning right it's like well they're not Taliban fighters they're Chechens and then it's like okay how many of those Chechens were in Afghanistan how many of those Chechens were in iraq and uh Syria or Kurdistan how many of these Chechens were in africa i mean even the philippines has their own muslim extremist group like so does africa i mean we already discussed africa but it's like yeah they're not Taliban they're al-qaeda god like it's yeah man it's one of those ideas that have been floating around

in my mind recently where i was like i think there's a picture here but there's no frame so let me try to paint the frame let me try to you know put some plywood together and make this big canvas and put it on my wall and go no i think this is it i think this is what's going on i'll bet you a hundred dollars that if uh let's say they capture a hundred Chechens they'll find it'll be a hundred Chechens it'll be 800 different terrorists under different names and it'll be like 1200 terrorist groups that they'll all be connected to and it's like well see he wasn't just Taliban he was also poko haram too like oh come on man like it's yeah but that is i've never seen any uh leaked reports from like the fsb or the russians but it's like i know how we work and it's it's the same thing

like you can't sure and so the biggest issue that i think a lot of the followers hit me up with were like oh where's uh where's the paperwork you can't see these guys are Taliban if there's no like passports or whatever it's like they don't need them yeah if they're being funneled in from afghanistan to kazakhstan and then from there to the caucus like they don't need them you'd never i mean okay that's a good point right it's like well where's the paperwork it's like okay you drive from russia to afghanistan and you tell me how many border checkpoints there are stamping your visa or your passport i swear to god there's none like it might be one dude in a guard shack who is completely blitzed on vacca going like all right you're good like there's nothing there so

that's yeah that is uh yeah that was one of the biggest uh questions i got they were like oh well taliban are there where's the paperwork and i thought the taliban have a paper initially i thought when this war started i think the russians were a bit more intelligent than they actually are but i was like no i think they actually would have thought this out but there's all these reports of americans getting captured in uh what mary opal they're like there's an american cia agent that was captured in mary opal they're like no every passport stamp with department of state like yeah you didn't capture a state department guy you just captured an american who wanted to fight in ukraine they would join asov yeah yeah man that's it's a really dense topic it could honestly

go for hours what it's like you know what's cool about this you could actually prove it if you have the time because the ukranians are uploading the faces of dead russians to a database and then an ai is examining the face linking it to a social network profile like facebook or whatever and then giving you basically saying like yeah that's steve here's his mom and dad you can contact them so if you get some dead chetchins you take those photos you upload them to the ukranian website anybody has access to it you can go to the ukranian website and access the dead russian database if we if they kill enough chetchins i swear you're gonna start seeing dudes pop up on the terrorist watch list who are like you know they were in afghanistan they were in iraq and what's

funny is that in the american army we collect biometrics on everything so i i promise you once the chetchins lead mary opal we're probably gonna start and the chetchins go to the front line or they get killed by artillery or if we can get some of those big pictures of dead bodies we are going to start seeing guys pop up on the terrorist watch list in in russia or in ukraine so we can prove it but if it's not ours then it's the french and then it's the it's the polish where it's like they all have their own internal databases where it's like if the germans spent the entirety of afghanistan and the northern part of the country where it's kind of like peaceful they have profiles in somebody oh yeah 100 you might not have been radicalized 15 years ago

but today they're like well they caught him because he had an ak so oh yeah oh yeah oh dude now i'm now this has me excited that we've kind of like deduced this on the podcast because it's like once it just makes sense yeah once the chetchins leave mary opal we start catching some dead chetchins like they do can you imagine if like somebody in ukraine needs to listen to this and hear this because i mean if you could prove all you gotta do is kill some chetches but if you could prove that russia is using terrorists in ukraine that's just one more war crime i mean i can't even imagine it i mean they're already in trouble now but i mean just imagine that i mean you're you're proving talking about scare tactics you're like yeah amen scare

tactics we're gonna call on the chetchins chetchins came in everybody said like buckle up for war crimes yeah and it was like yeah you see these columns of chetchen vehicles running down the road or whatnot and you're like yeah they're into btr it's cool it's all soviet manufactured but they're chetchins it's like can you imagine like they've already said the serians are there the serians are pretty ruthless against their own people yeah like it's hey man i've seen a lepo it's pretty bad so it's like oh let's just grab some uh some afghani freedom fighters too let's dump them in there so like a crockpot of terrorism yeah that was good man i think we're sitting out here like an hour yeah we're just shy of an hour so i mean you want to grab it on up i think that's a

lot for everybody to chew on there's a pretty dense podcast but yeah somebody's gonna come in and listen to this and be like my god these guys are crazy i'm gonna get a call from somebody they're like hey motherfucker you don't know what you're talking about i'm like did you listen to it yeah but uh oh yeah for everybody uh the facebook is up and you know tell your parents tell your grandparents uh traffic on instagram has been a bit reduced recently one because i'm traveling a lot in two because a lot of pages are getting shut down so i don't want to kind of want to tiptoe through the tulips with this one so i'll post like once a day maybe once every other day not seven times a day like before but let's go to be more consistent um posting a lot more condensed

reporting on twitter but it's more of just like a condensed version of the post on instagram on twitter and then a link back to the instagram so give that a look and cody you have anything to post or to plug no not yet um once we kind of get some paperwork filled out we'll uh set up the website and you guys can buy sweet merch coffee cups and all the light coming soon to a Spotify back as near you every single walmart near you yeah cvs but cvs no i'm a wall greens man but all right yep that was fun and uh i think we'll call it