Kitbag Conversations - Kitbag Conversations Episode 2: China For Idiots

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

Hey all, this week we were joined by Sino Talk (@sino_talk). We focused heavily on the Chinese Communist Party and their influence within the:  -Military -Belt and Road Initiative  -Espionage  -Architecture -and so much more. 

Welcome to Get Back Conversations. Our guest today is going to be Sino Talk. Sino Talk, go ahead man, introduce yourself. Yeah, so my name is Sino Talk. I run a Instagram page with the same name, where I mainly touch upon topics related to China, whether it be the Pele, ongoing monetization, their mistreatment of religious and ethnic minorities, and the two sessions that are ongoing right now that I'm currently making a daily post on. And aren't you also on, is it, is it lethal mines or is it bullets in borderlands or? Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting that one.

No, I'm also, I'm also the Asia Pacific depth lead for the bulletin on the borderland, as well as the, as well as I write sometimes for lethal mines as well. Oh, he was, he was on a few weeks ago when we were still doing the Croatone podcast. He came out of the episode whore of the Orient and, you know, that was a fun conversation. So, since we're focusing as like East Asia and that whole part of the world really getting away from Ukraine, I think that would be a good place to start. Just Belt and Road, man. Yeah, so, okay, Belt and Road. So, I guess to give some context, there was China's way of retreating to Soap Road. It was started in 2013 by CGT. And by 2000, by now, it's

around 129 countries that are signed up to it and a few dozen organizations. It's really famous for providing commercial loans or loans on commercial rates to these struggling, developing countries that they can produce or they can make these mega-cars. The best example would be the airport and nowhere in Sri Lanka and along with one of their ports in, in the same country. Yeah, oh yeah, like this. It's not even being really used. Like, we're talking about something. Yeah, it's funny. It's kind of sad. Have you ever pulled up the, have you ever pulled up the, you know, the airport, like, scheduling list for everyone in the culture? It's like five or six months. I think. Jesus. Yeah, so it's like radar throwing on top of

there. They're like, all right, and nothing. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's kind of sad. That actually was caused the Sri Lankan, the ongoing Sri Lankan crisis right now, economic crisis. Another one that's really is famous is Laos. They made a high-speed train, high-speed railway through the entire country. That is the entirety that is around 50% of their GDP, the loans reached well to it. And so they would have to repay a half, so they would have to spend half of their GDP to this loan, which compounds in time. Yeah, so that's why you see a lot of those countries, like, in addition to that, Zambia's were all struggling as well. They, they were in the news not too long ago when they were struggling, again, they were struggling in the State Department,

went down there and said, hey, you need help. It's like, they essentially were like, didn't know how to spawn because they didn't want to antagonize China, and then also they also needed help, essentially, they really didn't have help. But no, like, but now you see them understanding that the Belt and Road, or at least the major projects they've been doing, were not the best way to go, because not only are there, not only are a lot of these countries are struggling to repay the debt, but the quality of the projects themselves is low. Yeah, I guess it's, yeah, yeah, it's like, made in China is funny, until it's, it's extensive, and it is extensive of the BRI projects as well.

We're talking about a, we're talking about Zambia that fall apart like a year, six months after they are built, factories and roads, roadways are just beginning to deteriorate along the same lines. And so you have to ask yourself, what's the purpose of this project? And not only that, but a lot of the allegations that they ran into was the Chinese, you know, they made these promises that the Chinese over there, we're going to come in and build up these, build up your infrastructure, we're going to build up, we're going to help you modernize, provide jobs to people, it's not only construction jobs, but, but able to teach you how to make these factories so you can be eventually self-sufficient,

be able to manage them. That did not occur. I mean, yeah, they had like a random African or random South Asian, right beside them, just for window dressing, as is what it was. And so you have these things, have them not deliver on that. And so that's what a lot of these countries have a bad taste in their mouth for going into your eye, but there's essentially stuff that's alone. They have China's shown a unwillingness to actually assist or like downgrade or write off, at least a portion of the loans, they don't want to do that because they know it was just no ball. Yeah. Yeah. With that old Chinese method, I'm sure like we as Americans, we always hear that joke that like, oh, China owns so much of our debt that if they wanted to buy California,

they could legally, if they just wanted to buy it, they could just take it. And the joke is always, oh, well, let them take it. We don't want California, but it's a very real possibility for several countries within the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean, which is, we talked about this with Alkan before, but countries like Fuji and Indonesia and all these developing island based nations, but also like Pakistan and Sri Lanka and Burma, which is currently in a revolution in all of the Pacific or the Indian Ocean countries that border West Africa or East Africa. It's like, that's a very real possibility that the Chinese could show up and say, okay, gun to the head, like give me this airport and it's now a military airport, or we're just going to buy

the whole country. There's no way you can get out of this. Exactly. Like regarding that exactly what happened in Sri Lanka, they took over the port and airport, they're going to, they have it for like a 99 years each. Yeah, they, and so that was essentially what they accused in the UK did of doing, but, you know, they can't, they can get away with it. For what? But yeah, yeah, exactly. I wonder why. Yeah, hold up, think about that. Backtrack, pull that stop to a halt because, all right, because he said 99 years, right? Like we did that with the Panama Canal and Jimmy Carter was like, no, this is, this is awful. This is bad. Suez Canal, we did it there, or the British had to do with

that, like give it back to the fucking Egyptians. And the whole world is basically slamming America, like your racist, your colonizers, your all this shit. Meanwhile, China's over here, handing out 99 year loans to the whole goddamn world and all of Africa. Even with that, it's, it gets a little better that after Carter was like, we got to give Panama Canal back to Panama, the Panamanians were like, yeah, I can't afford this. Hey, China, do you want to buy it? Most darker. No, that's not the plan. No, you're supposed to, you know, well, I'm not Asian, not damn you. But no, but no, like, regarding the South Pacific island, what was really, what's really interesting is that now we actually see them of all nations,

leaving to the Polynesians to fight back against China. Yeah. Yeah, it's very hilarious on one level to see them actually come out and say that, hey, what are you going to do for us, China? Give you all these loans, all these loans, all these things, like, yeah, no, no, and not only that, yeah, yeah, not only that, but like, this is, this is sheer disrespect. A lot of those foreign officials, the Chinese foreign officials were seen during not only the security summit when they just told them, collectively told the foreign minister, absolutely fucking not, when they said to find the, to find the, to find the security path. That's essentially what they said. They know we're not going to find it. And then not only that,

but like, one of the presidents or PMs of a, of a, of one of the countries actually, actually, no, is now, I believe, actually cut off and towed off the Chinese officials whenever he interrupted another poll in the country and said, no, you don't get to do that here. We're running this. Yeah. In terms of big picture strategy, if conventional conflict is kind of how the Americans train, we're very bad at looking anything one layer deep besides that of being that we were, you know, Marines and soldiers, we understand that the whole doctrine in Asia is to keep the Chinese from crossing the first island chain, but the Chinese go, oh, what if we just set up bases behind the

American lines? What? Yes, let's do some, some DAS, some deep impact operations. Exactly. But see, and the funny thing that you bring that up is because you kind of see that worry, especially with between the Solomon and Bantu, because the Chinese are heavily ensured to those two countries. In fact, the Solomon majority of pro-Beijing Solomon, the, the pro-Beijing political party, the Solomon, essentially disqualified the main, the main opposition figure, the main pro-US Taiwanese opposition figure from his electricity and the Malata province, which is the most popular province within the Solomon. Now, a lot of people, whenever they bring that up, they're, oh, whatever, doesn't really matter, does it? Does

it kind of talk to them? Yes, it kind of does, because like Croaton, you may, you may know this island better than Cody, but across the island, across from the island, is this little known, is this little known island called Galto Canal. I wonder where I know that one from. We wouldn't know. That island, that island held no significance, and the Marines didn't have to go in the bait and fight the Japanese for six or seven months, just the rest of the control out of it, because it's not significant at all now. But again, like going back to, going across the way, Bantu is like right across from the Solomon. So you've seen this, so you've seen them building up this presence, and there was this rumor, or hearsay, that the foreign,

Chinese officials actually went up to Bantu, not only Bantu, but several other island nations. And I say, can we set up some PLA bases here? And hey, here's a list of PLA potential islands you would like to use. And that list was like the same thing as what the US and its allies used in World War II. It's always so funny because the American Marine Doctrine is EABO, you know, put Marines on islands to control the waterways and stop the Chinese from expanding. But I don't want to focus too much on American doctrine, but it's, I remember sitting in like a mission planning brief and went, didn't the Japanese try this and we went around them, and they were like, shut up. It's like, it's like, not every island is significant, you just need an airfield.

It's like, what, did we forget the Chinese are doing the same thing we just did? I think what it is is that we're trying to play catch up and EABO is the best, it's the best bad option, I guess, I guess I could say. Well, you can't have no option. You can't have no plan. A shitty plan is better than no plan. You can fix the shitty plan. You can't fix no plan. So I think that was their thinking in that, yeah. What's EABO? I'm stupid and army. What is that? Let me look at the actual turn.

Oh, so you guys are just throwing turns. No, yeah. I haven't looked at this in years, hold on. Like expeditionary? Expedition, advanced base of operations. So it's essentially setting up a talk and a joker, a rock or whatever element you have on the island at the moment. And that becomes your forward operating base. It's essentially a fob that dropped on an island. And there's supposed to counter Chinese freedom of movement in the South China Sea

by using Heimar's freedom of movement. Yeah, by Heimar's and whatnot. But then you talk to the arty guys at Anglico. They're like, oh, we don't have enough Heimar's to do this. I don't understand how. And then we just gave all the Ukraine. Yeah, we would have them, but you know, Ukraine's even them all, but whatever. Against trucks and cars. Right? Shit, not only that, but like you also have like the Nemesis anti-ship cruise missile

that they're supposed to like, oh, we're going to use this too. Don't tell them, realize that like they have these things called rangers. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. I mean, I don't know. That's logic. Yeah, I really don't want to focus too much on that. But it's like from like a lower enlisted Marine standpoint, you're like,

I'm not a politician and I'm not paid to me. I'm just going to look straight to the point. This doesn't make any sense. Shut up. Yeah, I mentioned it before that or just with Cody that I remember I was in a mission brief with like, you know, third myth and this corporal from a logistics unit. It's like, how are we going to get our guys water? And then we're like, shut up.

Question, but that's a valid question. So I got one more because it's going to round it out. What's, I have, I guess, two, the economy of China. And you can, I mean, we could talk about that because like everybody's like, oh, China's going to go into bankruptcy or it's all coming down. And then it never comes down. What, do you have any finger on the pulse on that? Like what's the economic situation in China?

Because from what I've seen is like, it's literally being held together by duct tape, WD-40, hopes, wishes, dreams and 550 court. Now you forgot the communist revolution. That's the glue now. But honestly, and this is one of the reasons why I watched the two sessions so closely is because the economy is still recovering. So as the former prime minister of PM, Lika Chong said in his final government report that it's still recovering.

We still, it still needs to be assisted. They didn't really say how. They did, they did modernize a lot of the, they did do some restructuring to be some of the economic, I just found a regulatory agency to basically make it under, make it, basically to give Xi more control. Yeah. But just from my eyes, they were trying to, they haven't really said how. And I think that's going to come out within the next one, either tomorrow or

even on Tuesday. But right now, the Chinese economy is still recovering. It's not doing so well. A lot of people are pointing towards like, oh, the housing market is recovering. Because people are buying, there was been an increase in people buying houses for their apartments for the first time since 2022, I believe, or 2020 to 2021. And, you know, it's like, I'm pointing about to them. Yes, but how, what is the, what is the condition of all the other housing

development, development, development, developers? Like Evergrande, no one's not, yeah, Evergrande, like no one's really talking about that one because it's still the fall season. Like it still hasn't been able to make a payment on this loan. Or if it has, it hasn't been the full amount. They still have to play catch up. Not only that, but you see the population decrease that a lot of people think, oh, no, it's not that bad.

In fact, it is. And people say, well, they added like an extra like 12 million people and they're overworked first. Like, yeah, but they lost the same amount in the manufacturing, manufacturing sector has lost. And so that kind of, that's to me, very bad because China, or at least she is trying to reorganize the Chinese economy to be more consumption based, like the United States. And for us, and for us, to consume stuff, you have to manufacture it.

And you can't really manufacture it, like you have people there building stuff. Not only is that, but foreign, foreign investment actually went negative for the first time. So yeah, because a lot of, a lot of multinationals now understand the risk of working in China, especially since she's trying to reorganize the legal system to be a more Chinese, with to be a legal system with Chinese characteristics. And now you're seeing them reorganize it, reorganize all the regulatory agencies to be on the helm. So you can have control.

And so for multinationals, they see this as a negative and that they, they're starting to pull out, pull out of their operation. You start and see this. Not only that, but consumption within the Chinese society still hasn't been as increased, but not to the same level as free causes. And it more likely will not, because people understand that the economy is bad. And so they would rather save money than to save it. And that brings up a few questions I have when it comes to, we can just elaborate on this.

Number one, population, because the joke is China's population is very top heavy, like the majority of Russia, Japan, Korea, these countries are very top heavy. They don't have kids, the fallout from the one child policy, making just men like, hey, what do you do if there's no men, you invade a country with women? I mean, it's very, very futile. But on top of that, looking at like, I mean, I go way autistic level into like architecture and city planning. And there's all these videos of Chinese skyscrapers just collapsing.

And so internally, I thought like, hey, you got an aging population of men, no women for them to date. Let's put them all in these faulty cities. And if they fall over, who cares? Is that just a way of Chinese simple thinking? Is that a Soviet holdover? Or where does that go? I got you on this.

So last name is very Jewish and so I love business. I'm not kidding. We talk about this all the time. But so Evergrande, right? What happened here is China as like a society likes real estate, loves real estate. If you got a home, you got an apartment, whatever, they love it. That's good investment. And so like what you brought up, I didn't know that the Belt and Road Initiative did this.

Chinese developers were making real estate, but it was absolute dog shit to your garbage, right? And so, but the Chinese weren't looking at these apartments. They were just buying them. So that some farmers just like, yeah, I own three apartments just outside Shanghai. And it's like, they're crumbling. They're barely built. Nobody's in them. There are no renters.

And yeah. And so Evergrande, what they did is they have this policy for the economic forum. It's like the three green zones that they want companies in China to be in. And what Evergrande was doing is like what we do in the army, right? We need you to be at 90% PT test rate. And so like in a platoon of 40, we're like, okay, 10 guys are getting out. Five guys have medical conditions, so they don't count. So really what I have is like a platoon of like 25 dudes and those 25 are actually passing.

So really I'm at 90%. But half your fucking platoon sucks. And that's what Evergrande was doing. They're like, oh, yeah, we're, we're meeting the three green zones. And they were like playing with the graphics to be like, yeah, look at how much space we have between our assets and our liabilities. But in reality, it was zoomed in and they're like, no, I take her away from being like a bank. Yeah, bankrupt.

And like, they're just like, we're good G and G's like, you're very good. And you go get more loans from America. And I don't know why they're Indian now, but Chinese accent sucks. But yeah. And so BlackRock, my favorite company in the world, gave them a ton of money. They are $530 million in the hole. And their executives have like yachts and they have all these skyscraper departments. Like they make fucking Lehman brothers look like dog shit.

And so that's why I asked you. I was like, is it coming? Is it coming? Like, this is the thing about the China, about real estate in China as well. They view it not only as a good thing, but also, you know, as a way for a young man, since you did touch upon this and talked about like, how men don't have a marriage or can't marry. They view that as an essential requirement to get married. Like I have an apartment.

I have a condo. Yay. Fuck me. And so you see them, you see both that and the economy not producing any good jobs going away. So you have the men who are just aimless, like military age men, not just any, not just any type of men, just military age men. And no island, I need something to do. Right.

Right. And the funny thing is that the Chinese have actually been trying to export them. But yeah, go work in Africa. Go work in South America or somewhere. Sounds like they need a Marine Corps or something. Get these fucking young testosterone filled men out of the country. I like the fact that you mentioned the, like, oh, well, to be eligible for marriage, you have to have an apartment.

But I do know that in China, that if you're a woman or you're a man and you get married, you have to consolidate your assets and have one. So what the Chinese population we're doing, we're going, we're never going to get married. We will be life partners. And so the man and the woman will live in one place and rent out the other. So capitalism was eking its way in and narrowing that margin even more, because the system just wasn't designed for that.

Well, see, that's the thing about it. That's another thing about the one or the China's trying to redo in terms of child increase of birth rate is that that did occur, but they didn't get married. They called themselves life partners. They just lived together. But what that does is that, and if any children come out of this marriage or this relationship, they cannot be registered in their name. And so you have this group of children that literally were shut off from a large portion

of the education, medical things of the past. And so it literally took an act of provincial authorities to get these kids enrolled if they wanted to. Now, if they had the choice of getting foreign tutors, or the tutor, that was also a possibility. And many people actually took that route. But now you're seeing a lot of these provinces saying, yeah, if you're married, if you're not married and you're shackled up together, and you have kids, you're a dirty capitalist, but you know what?

Well, you can register them now. I don't think that's going to work out because there's other options. They just don't want to deal with the state. But going back to your point, Cody, that was not only just Evergrande. That was really every other company. Yeah, it was pretty bad. A lot of people don't realize how bad that was, and how that contagion actually spread to these small and medium-sized banks, and how it actually caused a lot of those banks to

almost collapse, especially in Hanan province. That's the province where we've seen those protests. And so they understand that. So the Chinese understand the economy needs to work. It needs to be fixed. But I don't think they will, especially the real estate development, especially the real estate sector, because there's just so many people that, there's just so many players that benefit from the current apparatus working, even if it isn't really working right now.

There's just so many people there that just have some community veterans interest that they just don't want to deal with. They just don't want to deal with it. They would rather have it to go back to where it was, where they can be tied to 30 assets in there. And so they can get money, use it for corruption, use it to get corruption, use it for corruption, corruption to services, bribery to everything. And this goes out today. Going back to what you were talking about, the manufacturing decline, essentially,

inside China, where they want to transition from more of a manufacturing-based economy to more like an American model. And so big thing in America that improved when the factories went away was quality of life. Everyone says buy American because reinvigorate the economy. But no one wants to work in a factory. So if those factories are leaving China and then won't improve the quality of life, where are they going back to Italy, like in the 90s and the 80s? Are they going back to Taiwan?

Or are they going to Africa? Where are these things going? Well, see, right now, actually, to be surprised, that's actually one of the places where they're going. Mexico is a hot place right now, especially around Monterey, since I don't know why they say this. Again, I'm not a Mexico expert. I like to point it out there. I'm only like saying what I heard from other people who've actually been down there

and that are Mexican nationals. I'm pretty certain expeditionary itself was like, that's not true. I'm just going by what I say, what I hear. Sorry, I apologize. But no, but especially around Monterey, they're producing, they're trying to increase. The old manufacturing hubs are there, factories there. Some areas around the coast, not Sinaloa, of course, because...

Woo! That's right. Not Sinaloa. But there is some other, there's another province along the, or state along the coastline that was attracting a lot of companies there because, and this is one thing that I kind of like about the Han putting out, pointing this out is the fact that while China has this manufacturing capacity, they didn't really have the education or they didn't really have, they weren't really all that great, they weren't really all that educated.

So the Mexico thing is for everybody that has been listening or watching, I'm a big new guy in Peter's eye hand. Okay. I'm practically an expert. Because he tries to talk about... Can you guys still hear me? Yeah. Okay.

So yeah, my microphone went. But anyway, so NAFTA II, Trump argued for it last term because he wanted to basically make NAFTA better, build America great again, whatever. And he's saying, he's like, his China falls when it breaks down and collapses under the communist regime because Russia's falling and it's just going to cause the end of globalization. Mexico and NAFTA are going to be the workhorse for the rest of the world. Basically, once China's manufacturing falls, who's going to pick it up? And Mexico's right next door.

And so Peter's eye hand is actually a consultant. So he goes out to these places and I'm sure some of the Chinese manufacturers are like, excuse me, what do you think we're going to go under? So if they're going to Mexico, they've been reading the same books I've been reading, which is NAFTA. So then now they're... But I think they get special discounts because they're in NAFTA, they're technically in Mexico. So they get less tariffs and stuff like that.

But if expedite, expedient and tell us I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'll take that punch to the face. No, but that is true. I mean, that's also one of the things that actually attracted a lot of those companies. But not only that, but you do see a lot of companies who are in the property of the Vietnam as well, which is funny because Vietnam hated, Vietnam hate China and they hate each other. They fought a war over this. Yeah, they fought a war. They fought civil conflict.

But I just find it funny that they're like, oh, well, thanks, thanks, China, for fucking up your economy. I appreciate it. That was another thing because you said that like the Southeast Asian countries were like standing up to China and I know Vietnam was one of them and they're turning to the United States, like, hey, can you help us with these Chinese bastards? And it's like, we had a fucking war over this, you assholes. Funny thing about the... I was going to say the...

Someone like Vietnam is the fishing because the Chinese are fishing all of the fish out of the water and now there's no fish and now the ecosystems are dying. And so they're heading further and further into these Filipino and Vietnamese and Indonesian waters to get the fish because they got to feed 1.4 billion people. Guess who else needs to feed 1.2 billion people? The Indians. So those guys are probably going to come to the side of whoever's not China. So...

Water wars. Can't wait. Water wars. Right. But see, that's the thing about like the Chinese fishing industry or at least the fishing fleet is that they're probably about as close as we could get to modern-day Logan. Like, as you... Like, yeah, oh, yeah.

Like, you mentioned it, like they can go in and believe the story and entire ecosystem. The story. It's been very well documented in the South China Sea that that's what they did. That's why, you know, whenever they were driven up these islands, they didn't really have to do much work because the fishermen already did some of it to dragon any process, which has shown been shown to destroy coral reefs. And not only that, but they've actually dynamized a lot of the trees

just so they can just not be in a way anymore. They're out there like redneck fishing, third grenades, and the goddamn... One more light down there. A flashbang. Right. Well, I say dynamized. I'm saying it's more like five pounds of the Chinese version of the C4. Dope.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, they would just get like, there's been actual video of them like making like these big bricks of C4 and like pushing it off the side of the... And like, and speeding away. And boom. Goodbye, Ariel and friends. Jesus.

That's... Are they... Because I always hear the term like fishing militias. Is it like an actual militia? Is it controlled directly by Beijing? Explain the boats. Explain. Yeah.

So the Chinese maritime fishing militias, like, they do fish. I mean, they throw it in the stop. Like, yay, we're fishing. You can't... Because, you know, that's what we do when we're not pestering other people and not crashing into coast guard vessels in other countries. But yeah, like, they're... They're controlled by the Chinese coast guard.

And some instances, the Civil Liberation Army, maybe. There have been instances where... Over open frequencies where they've actually asked them what to do. And not in a like, oh, I'm a civilian in this situation. What should I do? Chinese coast guard ship? Or like, hey, what should I do, commander? Should I go over here?

Should I ram them or what? So that's... They're looking for... Yeah, that's just... I mean, they're thinking big picture. But I know 10 years ago, the Chinese in total number of ships outpaced the U.S. by hundreds. But do they include the militia ships? Because if...

Okay, that's... They don't include the militia ships because, one, that also gives them a layer of like, enmity, I guess you can say that. Hey, they're not militia ships, they're commercial vessels, but we use them as militia ships. And another one is that they don't... That in another way is that they're really only focused as grays on warfare. Like, them going out there, casting anchor off the coast of Vietnam or like, near some of the Spatly Islands, that could come as a stall and just say, like, we're here.

Move us, please. New patriarchal. We're going to get a ship and we're going to apply for orders of... What is it, pirate? What is it? Orders of... Pirate airs? Yeah.

New patriarchal for a kit bag. We're going to buy a boat from the Navy, a Navy surplus boat. We're going to go fight the Chinese militias. Let's go buy an old decommissioned Australian ship. Oh, yeah. All right. Do that. Do that.

It's all in English, anyways. The minute you said graze out, I was like, let's get the boys together, get a little buzz, get off the coast of Vietnam and fight some Chinese militia. Nations are shit. Nations are shit, you know. They're like five, two malnourished. We can take like four or five at a time. Speaking of malnourished five, two individuals,

every time North Korea starts to like rattle at Saber, it means the country's starving. So what are the... Do the Chinese have a contingency plan to put a bunch of guys with machine guns on the border and say, you're not coming in here? That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah, they... If you let it go in, which they would rather not do,

they would rather not. Yeah, because do you have like a regime change to that magnitude of, was it been two, three generations of people just force-fed doctrine? Like it's even more radical than the Chinese. And so it's like, either A, you have a regime change with the Kims. Those people don't know anything besides the Kims. So what do they do? And so on top of that, it's like, well, then how much money...

Is that going to be like an Iraq for China just going there and get stuck? And they're like, fuck. I don't think they want that. An Iraq for China. I don't think it would be, you know, in any of those, in any event, I hope it never happened. If the Kim, if the Kimberjee, the fall for every region, then China knows that people are going to go across their border.

They can't go across the DMZ because it's so heavily mined. And the South Koreans are not, you know, led a million starving refugees. The South Koreans hate them. They do not integrate very well into society. And the Russians don't want them either. They go to Vladivostok and they're like, this sucks even more. The only purpose or the only way is to go to China.

And they in China know that, especially now, it would just be a drain on their economy, having these people who are malnourished, may not be the best educated and may not have the full mental capacity to get to them being starved as they're in their childhood. So they understand that it would just be a burden when they don't really want it. And so I wouldn't, I would be too, I would be more surprised that they try to go in to occupy the country as opposed to them trying to stabilize it,

or as opposed to them trying to stabilize the border to prevent people from coming in or going in. And then from there, maybe work with the UN and have the UN go in turn and pick the burden off them. I think in terms of like military terms, if there was a general that went into North Korea and stable as a region, he looks pretty good for president. He's next to you. So he's like, in terms of like military structure,

I'm sure the CCP doesn't want anything to do with that because they're like, as soon as we get a general that knows what he's doing, he's got to go. Exactly. But the PLA, it's kind of interesting because a lot of people don't really understand the fact that the PLA is more of a, is a party army, meaning that in all intents and purposes, it is a armed wing of the PLA. The commonest part of China.

And so you have to look at that, look at it in that context, is the fact that the real power or real control doesn't go from like, doesn't come from like the Ministry of the National Defense, like it does, like it would from the Secretary of State or the President or the Ministry of Defense and the Prime Minister in the UK, things like that. It actually goes from the Chinese Communist Party, the Chinese Communist Party's Central Military Commission. And then not only that, but they understand that generals who have, who become very popular,

can be a opposition victor or alternative, or alternative paraphrase, as you talked about. And they don't necessarily like that because they know what happened when that occurs. Because they have other instances where that occurred in not only the Qing dynasty, but also in the World War era, in the National, Nationalist era. And they would, now depending upon how popular he may, that general may get, he may be sidelined, like Mao did with Ping He, the hero of the Korean war who pushed the United States and the UN forces back across the 38th L.L., is that Mao sidelined, not only sidelined them,

but, excuse me, but paid in them as a bourgeoisie's enemy of the PRC. And so you see that, I can see that occurring, but with Xi, a lot of those generals, all over the hell. And I don't think they would be willing to mobilize their popularity out of fear of Xi. It's almost like in like layman's terms, like, I'm sure it was all seen like the original trilogy Star Wars movies, where every time a general did something good, it got promoted, then immediately killed for doing his job. So it was like, the Chinese don't want that at all. They were like, the best thing to do if you're a Chinese soldier is to do nothing,

be as hidden as possible, be a Lance Corporal. Drink the Kool-Aid, too. You have to drink the Kool-Aid, especially now, especially now. Now, regarding like, I guess this is a good way to celebrate the corruption, Xi actually got rid of a lot of the overt corruption that occurred in the PLA. He did a really good, he really, he did a really good job of it. And so whatever corruption that is left has become more bleak, more bleak. And you don't really see it as much as you do now. And then the PLA actually understands that we can't let it become rampant again, because it would

mess with our ability to be an actual fighting force. And so that's another reason why, like, a lot of those reforms are now being, that's the reason why, whenever Xi came into power, he went out to the PLA from 2012 to 2015-16. And that's whenever he was able to enact those, a lot of the modernization reform. Because he essentially got rid of all the troublesome people, or more like them, to where he's able to push through those reforms. And so that's the reason why you see them using augmented reality, augmented reality, VR, virtual reality, understanding and implementing fragmentary orders into the, into the, into all their exercises, and actually redoing the theater command

and totally redoing those and removing the PLA from being the supreme entity, and moving it to the same level as the PLAM Navy, the PLAN Air Force, the PLAN Strategic Second Auxiliary Corps at that time, or at that time. And so that's why you see them, but that's why you receive, that's why you're able to see all those changes occur, is because Xi was able to get rid of the opposition. Because there was a large part of the PLA that didn't want to do that, because that means we would have to actually have to do our job and not get being a fad out of corruption. So in your opinion, because like, we've seen Russia basically just fumble the fucking ball with the 10 yard line,

and it's because of the corruption, it's because it's a, it's a paper tiger. It's China in the same way, like if they invade Taiwan, are we just going to see every tire pop half the tanks are full of gas, or is this like a legit army, do you think, like? It's beginning to become a legitimate army. Like you had to understand is that the modernization process is still ongoing, and it still will be ongoing, maybe five to ten years from now, because they still have to be ready. They still have to, they still have to get rid of the past, of the past process that used to do. And so that still affects, that still affects, that still affects the PLA, but you do see them increasing their training,

increasing the quality of their training, not only that, but able to conduct logistics and be able to do it well. They still have a lot of issues regarding how to do sustained logistics, extraditionary logistics, but it's getting there. Half, half the hazards, they have to say, but then going with the CT was that you still see issues with the command and control. They're able to do tactical level exercises all the way up to maybe the battalion, or maybe to the brigade, and maybe up to the division level. But this is within the same SERP. This is not joint, it's not joint. And whenever they do a joint exercise, you kind of see them some of the ball. And so for them to say,

if so for them to become ready, to be done truly ready for amphibious evasion, they still have to, they still have to rectify a lot of the CT problems. They, at this point, they would have to do, they would still have to rectify a lot of the CT and even decide upon and fix and implement the C2, the joint command and control doctrine that they decide upon. They still haven't decided upon yet. They're still trying, it's still evolving. Holy shit. It's still evolving. It's still evolving. So I think, but regarding, we're going back, like, is there a people tiger, whether we see people with like

tank tiles pop and tanks will be half full? Not so much. They know, they understand maintenance and logistics is very important. That's one of the lessons that they learned from Ukraine that maybe we should pay attention to logistics and do a maintenance Monday. Maybe we should do that. The Chinese, have they pivoted out, are they, I'm not, you know, 100% on like the Chinese military structure, but using, apparently the old Soviet model, which was transcription based. And then after the Russians invaded Georgia in no way, they were like, conscripts are kind of bad. So they did this, like, we're only going to be a professional volunteer organization, but they didn't meet the quota. So they were like, we're going to be a 50

professional 50 conscript. Is that the same thing with China? Or is that completely different? It's completely different. They have constriction. They do constrict people. But then they also, well, let me go back up. These conscripts would be their privates, their land hopefuls. They actually do have a rainfall land hopeful in the PLA. Yeah. So just to give you more emphasis of how, like, whenever you say, yeah, like land hopefuls, like, yeah, they have that too. But no, so the PLA, they constrict these people and whoever stands out or wants to stay in or stands out in terms of leadership, they can actually lead, they can actually take initiative or like,

a much initiative is the PLA, the officers are willing to give them. And actually see this, and it's like, hey, do you want to stay in? We can promote you to NCO. And on the flip side of that, they try to, they go after a lot of college students and technical school graduates as in, and so they will try to enlist those as NCOs as well and officers. But it depends upon the needs of the PLA, if you will, to use analog, to use a U.S. military, what would be used for these two? Those two options didn't really work out. The, one of the major issues is one, not many people want to do a list for even commission. Because, yeah, yeah, it's, I mean, if you think being a recruiter

in the U.S. military right now, Howard, try being one in China for like the last 10 or so years. It's tough. It's tough. What about in, because I know for the Russians, they had the conscripts, but they're just grunt, you're an infantryman, like you're a rifleman, that's it. And if you want to stay in, you can re-enlist and be intel or calm or something of the sort. The Chinese the same way where they're like, you can get NCO and then, hey, you can be an intel officer, that'd be sick. No, it's pretty much the needs of the PLA, like they would put you as like a mechanic, they will put you as like anything. Usually if it's like a specialty job, like an intel or anything like that, they would prefer to use NCOs, you know,

to second, but they also know like the second enlistment people, but they also know that that's not really realistic because one, can't really get people to join in the, in their versions of MOSs that need them, that are very critically understaffed, like radar, radar, radar, radar units, aviation mechanics, those types. So they have sort of pretty much stuck with filling the, putting concepts into those things and pray that they actually do the job. Wow. This is, that's insane. No, this is, this is mind blowing because like, I mean, in intel school, they tell you all the time, don't like, don't put yourself as the commander, right? Like, when you play the enemy,

you have to become a Chinese commander. You can't be Cody in charge of the Chinese army. So it's like, when you're telling me like, no, they're not soldiers of the China, they're soldiers of the Communist Party, that the leadership is member of the Communist Party. And then you're like, our ideas of conscription because we're, I'm a Russia Middle East guy, Matt did same thing, like he's a Russian boo, and we've, North Africa and Africa. I did one year focused on China. And one year, I did no time. So I'm just like sitting here like a kid seeing boobs for the first time, like, this is awesome. It's horrible. It sucks so much. But anyway, yeah, but it's, it's crazy. Cause like, I, yeah, like they are in a sense, like,

they're not a paper tiger, like logistics or like equipment wise, but like you're saying, like C2, like, well, like, for those that are listening, like he's saying, like, they don't have a joint doctrine, like Matt and I literally meme each other all the time, like, hey, look at these French morons at this training, like we literally just sent a training exercise of the French and the Gurkhas in France. And we're like, Matt's like, they look like shit, they're groupings awful. And I'm sitting there like, what the fuck are the Pathfinders doing in a firefight? Like they're a reconnaissance element. And we're like, he's a Marine and I'm army and we talk literally the same language. And you're telling me like, no, if the Marines in the army

get in the same room, they do not even speak the same language. And I'm like, what? Oh, it's gonna say it's insane. Cause like just, you know, you can't put yourself in the enemy shoes, but looking at the Russians, you're like, why aren't you fanning out with your to protect the tanks? It's like, why can't you use artillery and infantry in conjunction with one another? Well, the helicopters fly overhead. They're like, it's so simple. Not that hard guy. Fucking no, no, it's like, what?

I was going to say, it's like, it's like, we're like pro footballers who are used to doing like passes and like feints and like field goal kick, like all types of things. And we're watching like Pee Wee football and they just keep running the ball at the center and you're like, what the fuck? No, but, um, I would, I would like to say like the, uh, the Chinese, the PLA still have issues with their logistics. Like they've, did you say they were still a paper tiger? Not in the sense that like we were thinking, like we were thinking like equipment logistics, because like we knew that the Russians were like taking the thermal imagery off their tanks and

selling it for vodka in shoes. But like you're saying like, no, it's good. It's just, they don't talk the same language. They, it's going to be a tiger. It's not going to be a paper tiger. It's going to be a real tiger, but it's going to be like, I don't know, a liger. It's mentally incapable of doing things like. Yeah, like it has down syndrome. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. I should pick another word, but whatever. But no, but no, like logistically, logistically, they still have a lot, they still have a way to go. Like they, they made tremendous progress, unfortunately, but again, like they've, they still have a lot of issues. They, yeah.

But they're overseas capabilities because the Americans and Djibouti and like Camp Lemonero is going like, yeah, the Chinese have a PLA base here. There's a Chinese Navy base here, and that's their launching point militarily into Africa, via the Horn of Africa. You're like, cool, got it. They don't have like the Russian suit with Wagner group. They're like, you are not Russian. Go and go through this government over, by the way. Did the Chinese have that? And if so, please tell me where, yeah, please tell me where they train so we can like do a Patreon goal. We can all go to Chinese mercenary camp. I'm sorry, it's 95. It would be very hard to find them if you were in the neighborhood, but

you'll be, you'll be like, so are you, you're not Chinese? Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm Russian Chinese. Dude, I'm Russian Chinese. There you go. Dude, I'm showing up in a floral shirt. I'm a Kazakh. Yeah. I'm showing up in a floral shirt, a fanny pack. I got a camera like, no, let's do some training. Like fucking, like, I want to know how to watch coach. Yeah. Where's my PLA flamethrower? Like, no, but they do have a rather robust like thing, like they do have a rather robust system. They are private security companies, the PSC, the PSC industry. They've, it's not the best. I guess that's the best way to put it. They like hired security for those compounds. They ship all their conscripts to, got it.

They, they could just get other conscripts to each other. It doesn't matter. They can't, they can't flee anyways, because where are they going to go? They're in another part of China. Yeah. It's like, it's really funny. Like the cold conscription process is like, they just move them to like two provinces over and there you go. This is home for the next to your guys. Congratulations. I don't like the desert. Yeah. You're like a human, you know, crimes against humanity with the Uyghurs. Yeah. That's a very interesting. I hope you played no Russian. No, but they mainly, the PSCs are mainly just there to guard like

the BRI project. They tried, they, they're there to guard it. They tried not to make too much of a fuss because of the political sensitivities or, yeah, the political sensitivities that those BRI projects bring. It's like earlier that, you know, they're not there to help. They're not there, you know, they, a lot of people hate them actually. And they try to keep it low for a problem. And I don't think China would want to do that. Go to Raleigh Ragnar. They see how that played out, especially in the Ukraine project, right? Ukraine conflict. I mean, they, they do human wave attacks and kill off, kill off what, 90% of their people. Don't, don't, don't shit on our boys. Don't come on

on this podcast and shit on my front doorstep. Okay. Look, look, man, I'm just saying that like I've seen the videos, like there are people literally calling, calling over like tops of pulses. So yeah, dude, we've, we've talked about this in the group chat because like Matt was the one that pointed it out because it's like the Ukrainians are like, look at all these Russians we killed and Matt's like digging through the bodies. He's like, they're all usbex and to geeks. Like it's like Russia grabbed all the central relations and then you go in. Yeah. And then you go into the weeds and you go down to like, oh, in, you know, the age of Catherine the Great, she understood that central Asians and Muslims

were troublesome for Moscow. So every time there was a conflict, they were the first to go. I'm like, oh, God damn it. But that, and then like all the human wave attacks in Bakhmut, they're just prisoners delved up on methamphetamines that Wagner is like here, you get an AK, you get a couple grenades and this guy gets an RPG. Here's your methamphetamines and then they're just like charging at the Ukrainians. So it's not Wagner dying. Okay. They're wearing patch. It's fucking crazy. It's one of those phantom soldiers that keep like the Marines that keep because I know what video you're talking about where that the column of Marines were rolling down the road and they just keep exploding but kept going forward because they were just on a narrow road. Again,

they don't fan out, but they were just soaking up landmines and going over each other. The Ukrainians are like, hey, we killed 1500 Russian Marines. You're like, cool. Why are the same guys showing up next week? Wagner's dirty and crazy. But it kind of goes back to what you say, like the belt. I hate to say it, but if this were a Civ game, you can already kind of see as you're talking, man. You can tell China's trying to win the economic victory, whereas Russia, like dealing with them in the Middle East and Wagner in Africa and SENTCOM, it's like Wagner does piss us off because it's like all of a sudden like Merck's with guns and war crimes

start showing up and you have to go address that. You can't do what you want to do and Wagner plays games and it's like, well, China's not doing the military route. They're doing the economic route and it's hard as an American because you're like, well, why can't I just punch them in the face? And it's like, well, that's why they're doing the economic route because you can't punch them in the face for winning by the e-commerce. I do like to point out that the Chinese know that America cannibalizes itself, especially the Western world will cannibalize itself in a sensitive topic like Africa because there's that guilt that comes to Africa. They're like, colonization is real bad, but you're like, okay, well, the Chinese are doing

it. We're going to go tell them to politely ask nicer, be forced to ask them to stop again. Like, could you quit doing this? RMO, please? Talk to them. Yeah, I threw out like a questionnaire. This was like six months ago and I was like, if you're an African and you have any interactions with the Chinese, please set me up and this guy from like, Kansas into years or something, he's like, oh, they show up and call us monkeys. Like, these guys are very racist. It's funny because like, it's kind of funny. Like, if you ever see like Africans or African Americans in Asia or like in China, Chinese people get so fucking

fascinated about them. Oh my God. It's like, it's like, it's like, I always like to compare it to whenever a person sees like a, like a piece of technology that they never seen. Oh, oh my God, we've seen you on National Geographic, but I didn't think you were real. That's what it was. Yeah, it's funny because like this one, this one person, she was there and you know, I tried and I warned her, hey, whenever you're in China, a lot of Asian, a lot of Chinese people, especially from like the rural areas, will like flock to you because they never seen a person like you before. It's not that they're racist, well, some of them are, but they just never seen you. They thought that you were a

mess. Say, no, that's not true, Corey, no. And then, you know, whenever that first happened, like, it's like, yeah, yeah, like she was surrounded by at least 20 or so people that were just like grabbing her skin or like grabbing at her skin, like trying to rub it off and like, like looking at her hair, like trying to undo her braids and like, I told you. What was funny is that I guess one of them like heard the myth like a black woman has like bad asses, I guess. And apparently, like a couple of them grabbed her ass. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, because he came up to me and said, hey, is it normal for Chinese people to grab your ass? I'm like, I'm trying to steal your wallet. Yeah, I was like, I told her

that and I was just like, um, yeah, to steal your wallet, but I doubt that you had a wallet in your fat pocket. Like, no, they, he said it was more like a firm graft than I'm like, I got a firm chunk of ass. Yeah, I bet that man went home and just thought about that for till he died. He's just like, well, see, he was a, they were all women that did it. The men, there were a few men, but from what I understood is that it was two women who grabbed Yeah. It was interesting. Yeah, it was funny as shit. I was like, yeah, because like, I didn't believe you. I tried to tell you, but you didn't want to listen. It's like a, because we, I guess this is like the last piece for me then me personally, but it's like the information warfare,

right? Like the information and intelligence. Like you see, we were just, we were just talking about this in another group chat. We have like five group chats with like eight different people. Too many. Too many. One of them was like, Chinese influencers learning how to do like, how to stick their asses out for American men and like learn how to do like a doggy style look. And so like, it, it was funny because we were like, imagine being like a Chinese woman and learning like the best way to get through life is to go through college, get a good degree, you know, firm Chinese political beliefs along with the Communist Party. And then all of a sudden you get roped up into this Chinese information and intelligence warfare

and you're wearing yoga pants, sticking your ass out, pushing your tits up. And you're just like, what the fuck am I? Where the fuck am I? I actually have a story on that. When I was in Japan, there was this Chinese national, this Chinese Asian that got rolled up. I said a gate to on a camp foster in like American village for the listeners out there. And so, but they figured it out. The Marine who self-reported was like, Hey, this girl, she hit on me at a bar. I thought she was a Japanese national. She knew what pubs were. She was like asking for specific information in exchange for sexual favors. And so they found this girl. And then they started pulling threads and found out that she was linked to like 25 or 30 dudes on the island that was just giving up

information. And they were like, essentially, just going after like lonely men on Japan, because that places a prison camp for US nationals outside of like the very few amount of females that are there. So they're like either a, you just fool around the locals or you become an alcoholic. And a lot of the guys were fooling around with the locals and just giving information over the Chinese because hey, I don't think they could tell the difference because they're like, they're not speaking English. They must be saying, speaking Japanese or something like that. And so it was just like the amount of information that was being thrown away just for a quick over the pants handy with jeans on. It's just absurd. And you didn't know what the sad thing is, is that this

was a classic thing with Chinese, especially honey pop operations of that. I bet, and correct me if I'm wrong, if you did see a picture of her, she was very attractive. She was model quality. We didn't see a picture of her, but I saw a lot of the Chinese nationals that would hang out up on outside of the third recon compound. Cause they were like, Hey, these are as of the QRF for the island. They're just going to, if anything happens, they're going to be the first to go. So we would go out to the bars out in town. You knew exactly where the Chinese were. You were like, yeah, they're saying shit. Yeah. Like, I know a little Chinese like, Hey, whatever. I want you to need to have Kailan. So just talking about that, we were like, the Chinese always send their hottest

women to the ugliest motherfuckers. And you're like, bro, you're not that hot. Like you are, but ugly. You dip and you smell. You shower like once every three days and she loves me. It's completely different from the Russians because Sasha slides in your DMs with zero followers and zero posts, but then the Chinese work on you for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, um, it's been, that's a common tactic with them, especially with the Chinese that, because they understand that sex, people will gravitate towards sex. They, they would love nothing more to fuck. And especially over there and like the, especially in Okinawa, the majority of those people of the Marines, not only Marines, but Airmen Army,

to say was there, would either be be drinking or go out in town and try to have sex with the locals. The locals, depending upon the situation, may not be too enthusiastic to your advances, but there's one Asian woman that looks other like the local Libby. She doesn't, you know, she speaks purposely. I bet you anything. I don't know how much you know about that, about the case, but I bet she, I bet she, she spoke pretty good English. Not to get 30 of them yet. Yeah. See, that's, that's a common thing is that, that's another thing that's like, as a big indicator is that as they speak pretty good English, and I'm not talking about like, oh,

fluent English, like almost native speaking, native speaking, like you and I, like us, but it's pretty, pretty, pretty well to make you not understand or make you not realize that she may be, she may not be a local. Dad, she uses the word telekinesis. You're like, why do you know that word? Yeah, right? But no, like, but yeah, like see, but yeah, that's a common thing. You see that a lot. Dave, they do that, like especially whenever you see businessmen, especially businessmen, is that if they go to China, their contract, like they're either cooperated, cooperated intelligence people, or the FBI, depending upon the industry to their end, would go up to them and tell them if at 10 o'clock at night, you get a random Chinese woman in lingerie who's a 10,

don't open the door. Please do not open the door. You're a 40 year old guy who's balding, who has bad breath, no one likes you. Your wife doesn't even like you. Like, don't fall for it. She's a scythe, she's an intel off. Yeah, she's a scythe. But yeah, but you know, regarding Chinese intel operations, they, it's pretty interesting topic because they have a lot of ways to get intel, obviously, you know, like honeypots, you know, then they do have like computer network expectations, not only that, but you know, they also utilize Chinese people, Chinese nationals, or Chinese Americans who were naturalized, they became full-fledged physicians. They're like the go-tos, but yeah, but you know, can you get this far about, and they'll say,

and the Chinese person would say, oh, well, I'm not going to betray my country. Oh, but you know, but the Chinese Chinese, and you know, Chinese ethnicity is stronger than water. Yeah, blood is stronger than water. And so you see that in one of the more recent phenomenon, if you will, to occur over than that, is that you now seeing the PLA, or not the PLA, but the state, the Ministry of State Security and the United Workers Front actually target church groups. People who, people who they figured out that, hey, this person works, well, the one specific incident that turned us on, that kind of like made it sound that this is the thing that this is now a trend, is that a Chinese national actually went up to another, to a Chinese,

you know, nationalized citizen, I believe, who worked for GE, or Boeing, or one of the major defense companies, and during a church virus study. And so over time, he worked on, but and he eventually asked, and instead of the Chinese person saying, yeah, I'll do it, I'll, I'll spot for you, he went and really told the US authorities. And we never seen that before. We never really seen that before. There have been sporadic cases of it. But we haven't really seen them do it as a legitimate method. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like, like before they would not go towards Bible study, or any other type of religious setting, not because, you know, they, you know, respect religion, it's the PLA, or the CCP, they don't respect religion. It's because

they view the risk as being not worth civil war. And the risk of that person actually sitting down and becoming and being converted to, you know, Christianity, like Adolf Hitler, like Adolf Hitler was had. A lot of people don't realize that that's actually how Hitler became a Nazi party member. Yeah, he was passed the spine on him, and he eventually jumped the Kool-Aid and joined them. I mean, if the Chinese don't believe in religion, they're not clouded by consciousness or anything to infiltrate. And it doesn't take a quick Google search to find out the commander of Tory stations and devout Catholic. So I mean, it's not that hard, but you also understand that there's the sophistication is the fact that there's the Chinese until

operation sophistication lies in the fact that they're willing to go after you, utilize anything that they can to go after you. But not only that, but they're willing, they've shown more than willing to be more than willing to go after any type of information so that they can go after you. That's why OPM was such a big thing, because I don't know how many billion millions of people's fingerprints. Yeah, I mean, and you have this occur. And then not only then, but a lot of people don't realize this or know about this is that a follow on attacker or a similar attacker for Blue Cross Blue Shield, I believe, a major insurance company that also works, also handles a lot of try care. And so from an end to end, from an end to end standpoint,

you got a lot of people's information to include financial, where they lived, if they're getting anything stupid in the past 10 years, fingerprints, things like that. But then also you have this enormous amount of health data, because that's what they took with health data, not social security numbers, not anything else, but they went after health data. My family's prone to cancer, let's go mingle with them. Yeah, no, no, exactly. You may have a good point is that, you know, this person really had cancer in his information, you know, this person, but this, but that person may also be a China analyst for the DOD, or that person may be, may work for the State Department of

Capacity, or may be in a position, or may eventually be in a position to where we can benefit from that. And so you see that, and that's where the danger is, is that the Chinese will see that and they're like, okay, we're going to take, we're going to watch this individual. And if this cancer does come back, then we would help him. Because cancer treatment is really fucking expensive. Yep. I also know that the, the Chinese know how to manipulate, like they weaponize hashtags all the time, like stop China or stop Chinese hate came out the same weekend as the US Sino sit down in Alaska, came out the same weekend, you could almost feel the CCC presence inside that direct hashtag, like, yeah, stop bullying anyone who looks like us.

We're trying to have a meeting over here and bend you over a table, but that's because that's essentially what they did. They were like, stop you, they were like, because they remember the current administration was vice president for eight years, they're like, you guys didn't stop us at all. So this is what we're going to do. But anyways, they also take that if I mean, I didn't know anything about like OPM or medical history, but if they just take that and couple it with weaponizing social media, that's when they start to bring in the, hey, this guy has a gambling problem, let's give him cryptocurrency direct messages. And then it happens all the time, because they say like, Hey, this is a, this is Kimmy, you know, what's up? And they're like, Oh, you know, I,

you got the wrong person. They're like, Hey, you know, I mean, I'm just moved to the US, let's be friends. And then from there, they just hard to pull the threads. They're like, Oh, you know, I'm actually going to go to the MGM casino in Washington, DC. I happen to notice you're there. You want to go sometime and boom, they just, it's, it's not, and then they're like, Oh, you work at the Pentagon, you were all at Tel Nioshka. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, you actually described like one, another way that they typically use that data is because and not only that, but people, people hide shit all the time. It's, it's, it's a no thing. And like for OPM, the funk come out and say, Oh, we're going to have to do more periodic data

transit or, or look throughs for people that they have outstanding debt. And I was talking to myself, you know, they have outstanding debt. You just, you just show it's not to do this, not to go through it. Because one is a bureaucratic hurdle that you don't want to cross until you need to, until it needed it. And in two, they don't want to look at the fact that they essentially open up a large portion of the U S Intel community defense contracting industry to basket notch because they just didn't want to do that. Yeah. How wide their eyes got when they were like, you spend how much on PowerPoint?

We did that, dude. Yeah. Like you, how did you spend every like that one scene off of Wall Street when it was like, you know, the size, the size really good. You spent $100,000 on food. Yeah, we took, yeah, we took our, we took those people, the Japanese out to eat. It was really good size, wasn't it? What did they do? They were like, yeah, yeah, they were really good. Died? Died? Yeah, it's fucking, dude, that's, that's, that's just crazy. Is that like, like you're saying, like, dude, because we're so good at going kinetic. And I think that's what's crazy. It's like, we're

a bunch of Intel nerds in here, but I mean, you got to be a soldier and Marine first. And so like, even we're like, meat eating kinetic guys, like, who are we dropping bombs on? How are we going to maneuver? How are we going to do this stuff? But when you look at the Chinese, they don't, they want literally the last thing they're probably going to do is go kinetic. And like, they know consciously, they're like, we've never won a war. Dude, we would bold them. The Coast Guard would beat the Chinese Navy. Like, it's just so weird to think that like, because like I said, I'm not a China expert. And this ass hour, almost hour and a half has been fucking phenomenal to me because it's like, where do I even start as, because now I got to learn about

China. And it's like, it's crazy different. It's nothing like Russia. It's nothing like Iran. It's completely different. Yeah. Yeah. And you're just like, Jesus, dude, like the last thing they do is go kinetic. They're going to steal all your information. They're going to use your grandma's cancer. They're going to send you a honeypot. Like, Oh, get Oh, Cody, that I don't know if for the listeners, we were on all cons podcast a few weeks ago, and we were, he was talking about the Chinese investments into like lower income neighborhoods. And I was like, are they trying to like curve the birth rate by giving them all fentanyl and whatnot? Yeah, that's, that's going off the hook. He's like, the Chinese are trying

to kill the New Zealand by using meth. And I was like, they're trying to kill off the Anglo-Saxons so they could have the indigenous population get mingled with the Chinese. And I was like, you know, we're going to spiraling for a second. Like, I see this, like back in the 80s. I don't know, like, I don't think the Chinese would be above that. Well, I mean, no, no, I agree. No, but for regarding into operation, you have to understand is that they view Intel operations as the preferred standard to get them like, they would prefer that not kinetic operations, things like that, influence operations, that as opposed to actual kinetic

operations. And people like, no, Corey, that's not going to talk. That's not the, that's not, this is all right. Like, yes, it is. You want to know why? Because that's all they knew. Yeah, they, yeah, because like the auto war, the often misquoted, misunderstood book, that's what is essentially is about deception and intelligence. Not only that, but, you know, they understand is that especially regarding Taiwan, Taiwan's a hot topic that why go kinetic when they can influence the election, upcoming elections, if they were to the KMT and the other blue and white parties, so they can actually get in the power. But you have to understand the KMT and the blue and white parties,

they would, they were more pro-BG or more pro-B or pro talks with Beijing, more pro, good relationship with Beijing. Now, within the KMT, there is a single really small minority called the 49ers who want reunification with China. They just don't really care what it is. They just, they want reunification. Honestly dangerous. There was a reason why a lot of people were shocked for about the Czech's grandson being change, Chen Kaisek's grandson being one of the leaders because he hasn't really came out and said it, but he may be a 49er, as opposed to his dad who was

not really who didn't want reunification, but he wanted to. Was he a retake the mainland kind of man? He was, to one, to one to an extent, but he also was a realist and understood that that shit would never happen. Was that around the same time that the UN's flopped the tables or like, all right, Taiwan, you're no longer the Chinese seat? It was in the 70s, I think. Yeah, it was in the 70s, but that occurred a little bit after in the 1980s, whenever China or whenever Taiwan began opening up the democracies. He understood, because he actually started the process to democratize Taiwan. And so he's seen that and like,

do we really want to invade the mainland? Is it possible now because they're opening up, they could possibly democratize? So there's a possibility we can reunify under there, under a mutually agreed upon system. And in 2000, I'd say there. But no, but yeah, I mean, like, they have other operations that they review better that they're just as better than they're viewed as just as good, if not better than kinetic operations, because they understand that China doesn't, again, going back, the PLA is not ready. They understand that even then, they understand that, and I'll kind of touch upon like a lot of this and really wrap the decision that they understand the PLA, the PLA operation to take Taiwan would have so much top-down

leadership, or they may, they may not realize it, but we realize it, that the PLA, any PLA operation to take Taiwan will have such top-down leadership style that it will paralyze decision making at the theater level, where it will, well, all the majority of the big strategic, or at least theater opera, theater level operation decisions need to be made. Like, isn't it speculated that they would actually send someone down just to watch them, and to get, and to approve, and to become another approving layer of operational decisions, as opposed to like the regular Communist Party committee that would be utilized as well? Geez, that's insane. I mean, looking at like how the Russians did it, where their officer

corps got killed off pretty quick, and they don't let the NCOs have any authority in anything outside of one or two Joes, and so that the NCOs were making strategic level decisions, and it was getting back to theater, they're like, you did what? Get your ass over here, getting reprimanded for essentially doing their job, and so I can only imagine that's how the Chinese are going to do it, if they're going to break that top-down approach of like, hey, this is coming directly from Xi, attack this building. Yeah, but you know, that's the dichotomy of it, that they want to NCO for, they understand the need for the NCO, especially after Ukraine, but they have to balance it between them taking the initiative, them taking for themselves,

things that you and I, Cody, will take for granted, for tape or granted, they would have to gauge like, hey, do we really want that to occur, because if we give them, if we give them thinking abilities, they may not, they may not fulfill what we want them to do as a party. Yeah, in our terms of military, it's like, you want like a tough nose corporal to like, do his job, and then use the sergeant to rally the herd, and then keep the officers off their back, and they're like, that's like, their whole purpose is a, is that single entity, but then in the terms of the Chinese, where it's like, we really don't want any, you know,

opposition to any kind of decision making. Exactly, well, we win a count, because I understand is that the PLA, this is before they actually went against DCP, the Chinese Communist Party's directive. They're in Tiananmen, they're in Tiananmen Square. So the Beijing commander actually said that, yeah, we're not going to crush this protest. And, you know, when they could tell yes, you do, yes, you are, and then, you know, they dragged their feet, but then they finally said, like, what, why are we doing this? Aren't we the people's operation army? Soon we'll be listening to these people's commands. And so that's whenever you see them actually send an entirely new brigade on their entirely new general into the, into the city,

and crush the protest. The famous image with the tank and the guy, and he's got groceries. Yeah. Yep. And so they understood from that point on, from that point ever, they understood that if we all don't put PLA like soldiers in a leadership position, let's be the tactical then, or in the tactical then, they have to be able to look and understand the party, though not do things that would be, that would go against the party. It says she, she is, yeah, because she, that's the reason why like a lot of, a lot of other China, China analysts, instead of the same viewpoint that they can do all these things, they can do, they can fix the C2 to be like ours, to fix it, you know, be able to

hit off amphibious, amphibious operation flawlessly. It's whenever they turn the stretch on from practice to, to real, that's when we're going to see a lot of the top down decision making occur. Because the PLA will not, not the PLA, but the CCP will not accept anything less than a win. Because they know, especially if it happened whenever she is still in power, she knows that if they fell, if the PLA fells, they would, didn't have a note of a thousand knives on their hand. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. She would end up, she would end, the CCP will be almost wrong. Yeah, they will be, they'll end up in a dumpster. So it's a rumor last year during the COVID protest,

but the Chinese were rising up. And there was that, there was that quick rumor, you probably remember, it was like a 72 hour window. They're like, no one's seen she, the government's setting up blockades outside of banks. They're rolling into Beijing. They're like, it looks like, you know, the August coup of 91 with the Soviets. They're like, it looked like it might be over. It didn't happen. But no, no, like those, well, the people, a lot of people thought of was the PLA rolling in, was actually the People's Armed Police, Xi Jinping, his own August. Yeah, his own. Essentially what they are, like a lot of people don't realize that the PAP fall directly under control of the CMC, the head,

the chairman of the CMC, the CMC, okay, Xi. Jesus Christ. So he, so he has, so if the PLA would ever do that or factions of the PLA would ever do that, he has his own army to back him up. That's insane. Yeah. That's a black shirt, SS kind of night. I know, I was about to say, this is, yeah, this is so much bigger than, it's too much. Yeah, dude, we got to, we got to get you back on because we've already done an hour and a half and I'm still just sitting here with my mouth open like, Jesus fuck, bro, like, what? Yeah, man, I'm like, like a lot of people, you know, whenever people like say they want to become a China, they're like, no, you don't sit here, no, you don't. Yeah, like, not always that,

but like, whenever people try to do like stories on China and try to explain like a lot of stuff, especially like, oh, they're using increased augmented reality to this may be an indication of, of an innovative of them drawing lessons to Ukraine. It's like, not so much. It's more them utilizing it to get the gas will combat training or it was realistic stuff. We have it too. We have the ismit for guys who don't know how to shoot, you drop them over there, you're like, Hey, look at this, it's a laser. Look how to pull the weapon. Yeah. Exactly. But theirs is more extensive. It's literally like an augmented reality type thing. Yeah. Like 3D, like they put on like an Oculus type setup and like go around shooting. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

They go back and they look through and figure out what was what they what they did, what did wrong, what they can do wrong. That was originally part of like the 2016 reform. Now, in the context of Ukraine, that actually validated that actually validated that, Hey, we need to focus upon this because these things we need to get. This is the thing to show all that to purely have. Yeah. Yeah, this is this has been this has been mind blowing as a Russia as a Russia, Suntcom guy. This is this. Yeah, we're gonna have to get you out again. You're gonna have to come back and talk more because like we've only talked about like we've talked surface one layer deep everything. And so like now, if you ever see kit bag conversation posts about China,

I think stolen, it's either going to be stolen or we're just going to do it to piss you off. It's going to be blatantly wrong. And I know that you're going to be taking a dump and you're going to get that notification. You're going to be like, these guys are poking dirty. It's like the first one we might write is a be like, all right, so if they're the Chinese direct everything, the Chinese central government directs everything that's just what the Nazis did in World War Two. And that's why they lost because they believe in ideology over practicality. Yeah, am I right? That'll be that'll be a fun one. But yeah, man, I really appreciate or we really appreciate you coming out again. And definitely, if you have anything to plug,

go right ahead. But this has been damn fun. Yeah, man, no, I appreciate you taking a time to let me come on and spear my like thoughts, I guess. Yeah, I mean, it's always a good thing to always, it's always good to come on these podcasts to explain China, especially since it's that's a big issue. Yeah. All right. Well, hold on. I got our plugs. Go to the Patreon. Yeah, go to the Patreon. We've got the last 50 or we got 48 slots of the Recon Platoon left. Basically, you get a 50% off. Come on, join the Discord. Come see all the takes that got us kicked off. Crow tow and report all of our shits in there. We have our episodes where it's just me and Matt bullshitting about anything that's probably going to get us kicked off.

Last one was a little dry. It was just telling stories for an hour. Yeah, but about getting hazed in the army and the Marines. But yeah, no, come on to the Patreon. We're bringing news pages in if you guys want to play Wargame Red Dragon or something like that. We're there. We're setting up game nights. We've got Book Club coming down, all that stuff. So come on into the Patreon for more of the merrier. Yeah, man. The last little bit is last bit. Yeah, the Book Club currently underway. We're reading Matterhorn. I mean, I've been reading it. Cody's read it before. He's re-reading it. If you guys want to jump on, it's definitely going to be a recorded, more like Q&A, like our thoughts

and opinions on the book because it's supposedly non-fictional. Cody doesn't think it is, but it's also like a Marine Corps background. So yeah, it would be fun to record. But again, man, yep, really appreciate you coming on and we'll take it easy. Cool. Thank you, man. Yeah, take it easy as well. And again, thank you. Yeah, man. Have a great year. See you. Bye.