Klein/Ally Show: The Podcast - SECONDHAND CINDY SHOVERTIME 10-5!

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

*WARNING EXPLICT CONTENT* Cindy has lived a life and does not hold back when sharing about it

All right, Klein Allie, Shovertime episode number. Who cares? The most important episode. It is the most important episode we've ever done, and that's not saying a lot because these showbertime episodes are usually just a chance for us to blab and dump a bunch of stuff that we didn't think was worthy of making it onto the air. And you guys seem to like it. We appreciate that.

This is the episode that will be joined in moments in this studio by a secondhand Cindy, and we'll officially sign this contract, Ali. As you can see here, the table in front of you, this is such a big moment. So I'll make sure we're rolling on this one as well. We're rolling. We're good. All right, good. Because we want to make sure we have video documentation of this podcast as well. In case legally the second and Cindy's story becomes the next, you know, Avengers Endgame, we need to make sure.

That's the only thing you can think of. We need to make sure that we're. All the monsters and superheroes. I'm just saying we have to make sure that we're on, we should cut us out of the profit here. That's what I'm getting. Right. Yes. The last big, big blockbuster true story, Avengers End game.

But we did agree that we were going to provide her with a contract. We were going to bring her three buzz balls and some chicken wings and a carton of cigarettes. And in exchange for her life story, which begins today. Yeah, today is the beginning of the life story. So I guess we could bring her in. We can go over the contract. Once she officially signs it, then we can start to get the stories out of her. Her e-scooter is already in our production office, so she's made it here.

Oh, that's her scooter. The same scooter she fell off of and pretty much ripped up her arm. I mean, the reason she couldn't come last week, and I know a lot of you are angry because you got screwed on a showver time episode. It's because she was supposed to come in last week through the show overtime, and then she toppled over. She had her arm pretty much stapled together. She had like 10 staples in her arms.

It's crazy. So, anyway, I'm thrilled to bring her in here. You know, we've known this woman on and off now for, it feels like a long time yet. It's been almost 10 years. She's never been in the K. Rock Studios ever, I don't believe, right? I think this is the first time she's been in our studio. Did she come here for the prison cook-off?

Oh, yes, she did. Prison cook-off. So she was last year for the prison cook-off, and now she's sitting there and she's about to come in. Vanessa's going to send her in here. This is a legend, ladies and gentlemen, you know her as secondhand Cindy. She's already. She's already.

She has a buzz ball already? Oh, that's her drinking buzz ball. Hey, second hand, Cindy. How are you? Welcome to the Showvertime podcast. It's good to have you here. Hi. How good to see you.

Welcome, Cindy. Grab a seat right there. Hold on, Johnny's going to set you up. Which buzz ball did you start with? Sit over there. Sit right there. By that microphone. By the giant buzzballs.

Yes. Sit by what we would call your, that's your corticopia of gifts that we have put together. Hi, get close to the mic so you don't need headphones. No headphones. No, just us, just us talking now. Okay. This is Showertime. We put no effort into this, so you don't need headphones.

Hi, how are you? I'm doing okay. I got here. I was here on time, but I needed to, well, I was going to stop and get some booze because I left my pint of vodka on the train. Oh, no. I know. I know. That sucks.

You got a whole pint? Possible story idea. Left my pint of vodka on the train. Sounds like a country song. Well, this should make up for it. This should get you home. Well, that's what came to my mind. I'm like, oh, they're going to have buzz balls there.

I don't need vodka. Yeah, you're good. So before we get into your stories and thanks for being here, I want to go over this contract to make sure before you get too drunk that this is a legally binding contract. You have a copy in front of you. You can look at as well. It's been notarized.

As you can see at the bottom with the official seal. Got it. Oh, we have an official seal. There's a seal at the bottom of that alley. You see that? So this is the secondhand Cindy Story Rights Agreement. It's a three-year agreement

between Klein Allie's show on K-Rock and second-hand Cindy, which is you. Right. Right. Are you sure you forgot that part of that? I don't think anybody wants to be me.

Let's just go over the details will be the boring part of the podcast, then we'll get to the actual story part. Then you can sign it. Ali, you're going to sign on behalf of the show. We also have a witness and a person responsible for the chicken wings

that will be signing as well. So you see, in front of you, the deal we made, and you're okay with this, you're going to give us second as Cindy, hereby grants and assigns Klein Alley Show on K. Rock, the exclusive rights to tell, discuss, embellish, revisit, reference, ridicule, or produce or otherwise broadcasts your stories of your real life for a period of three years from the date of this signing. And that includes, but it's not limited to stories on the air, online through social media, podcast, videos, promotional material, or any other material. material we decide to do that includes a feature-length film. You got it off. What are you chewing on now? A wing. Oh, you've already in the wings. She's sticking in a herd of prize. She hasn't signed yet. These wings are not heard yet until she's signed.

No, you got a sign, Cindy. And I don't believe there's any catches. There's no fine print. Everything should be spelled right out there for you. Compensation in exchange for the above-mentioned rights, Klein Alley Show agrees to provide you with the following. Your three buzzballs, as you see one, family size. You see how big those are? Those are for families. Those are the big ones. You get one, I know we agreed to one cart and a pall mall cigarette blue packs. Vanessa had some trouble because they carted her.

They thought she was underage. They would only sell her three packs of cigarettes. So we owe you. Ali's decided, I think this is fair. We can initial this in the contract. Every time you come back, we'll give you more packs of cigarettes until we add up to a 10. Perfect. But there's three to get you started.

That's great. I hope you trust us to follow through on that. Well, I trust you. You guys are the only ones I would do this for. Okay. Well, we are very happy that you're here, and we can't wait to hear about the entire life of secondhand Cindy. So you get the three buzz balls. You see those in front of you, the Paul Mall cigarettes.

You see those in front of you and the chicken wings that are there as well. So that was the deal. Three-year term, Allie, we have the story rights. No complaints, no returns. There's no Lemon Law here. Entire agreement, this document, basically you sign it. Ali's going to sign on our side as well with the official Klein Ali Chopin. And then the document is signed.

and legally this is binding. So that means moving forward, from this point forward, any story that we talk about today on the podcast and you share with us ever again, we own for the next three years. Perfect.

Okay. I can't believe we're giving ourselves a deadline here of three years, well, I guess that'll motivate us. Yeah, yeah, well, you're gonna live that long. You're Teflon. You're like, you know, there's something about you.

I mean, you should have died, and I know we'll learn about this in the stories, but you really, and everyone says, oh, I almost died, I almost died. In your particular case, you've almost died hundreds of times. Yeah.

I should have been gone. Yeah, gone. And here you are, falling off cliffs, driving off cliffs. Getting shot. Getting shot. Prison life. 14 DUIs with half of them were accidents and big ones. Right.

At one point, you ended up under an 18-wheeler. Is that correct as well? At one point, I fell asleep and a side swiped a semi. Yeah, that's right. And it got you back and then hit you another time. I said, no, that was another. That was another semi-hit. Yeah.

Anyway, well, you guys will hear it. And I'll tell you one thing, you look, based on the life you've lived, and I know currently you have a bunch of staples in your arm, because this is what happened last week. Even just trying to get here, you ended up having a scooter incident, and they pretty much stapled your arm together, correct? Yeah, they stapled my, it was right before my bicep, thank God. Yeah.

I mean, like inches, because if that, it would have been all bad. And I don't know, Allie, if we want to start at the best, beginning, go all the way back to the second and Cindy origin stories, or if we want to get people in early, now understand what you're hearing now is a work in progress. So we're going to talk to Cindy. We're going to do a little bit of interviewing. This is going to be a long process. A lot of this is not going to happen on the air. A lot of this will happen in our own personal lives, our weekends. We're going to dedicate a lot of time to this, Cindy. You may move in with us for a period of time so that we can really monitor you in a day to day. But this is all to bring our

audience into your life who we believe to be the most interesting person on the planet. So secondhand, Cindy, where, let's just start at the beginning. What kind of environment did you grow up in? Were you close to anybody? Who influenced you? What was your childhood like in a nutshell? Well, I have to say, I've been writing for three days and it's on my phone. I don't, I guess I really don't need to pull it up to read word for word, but I did begin from my mom and dad. And, You know, getting married to being sexually molested by my stepbrother at 10. And then I got, and then I got, I was trying to remember all the DUIs. I was having a hell of a time.

I think I got like eight of them. So I was, that's where I started. You've gotten through eight on your notes? Well, I've got put together eight DUIs. I know there's at least six more, you know. but, you know, do you have to blow into your phone to get it to work or no?

No. That would be interesting if they changed it to your phone instead of the machine. They might. You ever have to have that machine on your car? Yeah.

Yeah. And you figured out workarounds for that machine. Oh yeah, you can get around it. But you know what? It was so ridiculous one time I had it you had to blow and hum

at the same time. I'm like, what do you do that? That's impossible. I guess I'm not driving tonight. Shit. I wouldn't even sober be able to do that. And that's why you're driving a stick shift, having a cigarette and a drink. Yeah.

That's a little tough to do. Allie wants to know if you ever queefed into the machine to get it working. Did I ever what? I don't want to know that. Oh. Why are you asking quefe questions? Why did you ask that? I didn't ask any questions about that.

The answer is probably. How old were you when you had your first drink, Cindy? When I had my first, I was 14. Oh, that's pretty late for you. What was the drink? Do you remember? Yeah, that wine, that, uh, Fronzie? No, it was red dog or some red wine back in the 70s.

It was gross. You hated it. Yeah, hated it. And, yeah. Well, should I continue? Of course. That's what you're here for. Yeah, I did. It was a house.

Well, first of all, let me back up. I was born in 1957 from my mom, Carolyn, Olive, and my dad, Bernie Rudd in 1955, I believe. They had my brother in 56. They had me in 57. Oh, wow. They were busy.

Yeah, we're less than a year apart. What does that make you? Irish twins? I was twins, yeah. Is this the one that you kissed? Yeah, but I didn't French, but we can keep that. It's more exciting.

That's good. No, I'd like to know what's real versus what we'll embellish later. But yeah, that's funny. I was a regular, just lip-on-lip-lip-kiss. Yeah, yeah, it was, I'll get to that one too. But so anyway, I was two, my brother was three. My dad was big in J.C. Penny's, the Red family.

But he took a break from there and he bought a bar. Your dad was big at J.C. Pennings? Yeah, my grandfather, his dad was like the way up there. A higher up at J.C. Pennies? Wow. Oh, I thought she might like a big shopper, like a regular one. I mean, that's what my mom was. Holly's mom's also big at J.C. Penny. They have a picture of the register.

returns. So he left and decided I'm going to go in the bar business. Well, he took a break from there and, yeah, he bought a bar. I'm already fascinated to learn that second-in Cindy's father owned a bar. I didn't know that. I know. I try to get to the origin story. And I do want to warn just the listeners as a bit of a trigger warning.

We know that Cindy on the air, she's a lot of fun. And she's never wrong. She's always knows how to hit the punch. She's the best on-air, one of the best on-air natural talents we've ever seen. Absolutely. But in real life, in her real actual life, and I'm only saying this now, and I'm stalling, people are going to, because you're in the middle of eating a chicken wing, so I'm just buying you some time. Okay. She has had some real ups and some real downs, and it will be emotional.

And just so you know, she's already crying a little bit as she's telling us the story. I know some of you can't see that if you're not watching this, but she is going to take us into the deepest, darkest places, and it's going to be triggering for some people. And I know we're going to do our best to make it lighthearted and fun. but like any good story and any good movie. There are sad moments. There are real downs, and that's sometimes only get to the good when you get through the bad, and so I just want to warn you,

I don't know how much that we'll get into today, but I can tell that you're already getting emotional just talking about your childhood. A little. Or as the wings are spicy, which one is it? That and then I need a napkin. Oh, okay, yep, let's get her an appell. I don't want the sauce in my eyes.

This isn't part of the contract, but here you go. I don't know why I'm getting emotional. I haven't even got you. into the real... Well, I think you just probably subconsciously know what's coming. Thank you. Yeah, the real emotion, because there's a lot of fun, unbelievable, like, Ripley's Believe It or Not stories. It's crazy, crazy. Well, when we do launch the movie, we will create a pop-up, Cindy's Believe It or Not.

And it will be all actual things. Like, this is the size of the cliff she fell off of. Yeah, wow. You can take pictures off the side of it? Yeah, really so cool. I don't believe it. There's the machine she creeped in. her car. Okay, hold on. In fact, I do have a picture for

Vanessa just printed it. Oh, see what this is. This is evidence. Wow, that's the cliff you fell off of. That's the clam. Wow. Look at that, Alie. Oh, there's somebody diving off of the side of it. So people do dive off this cliff? That's just a real quick picture. Wow. There's some clear, cleaner. We need toner. That's what I'm learning. Yes, that is a terribly colored picture. I gave it to her like one minute when I

got in here. Yeah. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you for the visuals. Well, if we put out the book, we'll have to have a picture section. Yeah. Well, it's nice to put a picture to the situation or to the person. Right, exactly. All right, continue. Okay. So anyway, yes.

And so mom was home. She was home with us. We were both sleeping. My brother and I. My dad came home. And she asked him if he was hungry, want something to eat. And he said, yeah. I think it's because I never met the man.

So she went to make him a sandwich and she came back and he was dead. Oh my God. What happened? Massive heart attack at 28. 28. Wow. And this was right after he had bought and started the bar? Started the bar and had me, my brother and then my mom found out she was pregnant.

Oh, my. Okay. So you obviously have a loss of somebody that you have never really, you said you've never met him. Mm-mm. So do you wonder, and it seems. It seems like maybe the other men that came into your lives were shitty. So thinking about some of the, you know, what could have been with this relationship with your father. I think, I think why I'm emotional about it is because, and my mom didn't mean to.

But there was times where she would not say good things about him. And you can't be doing that to anybody. It's number one rule. You're a step-parent. It's not your child. or any situation like that, you cannot talk bad about the other parent because that child will go against you so bad. We'll flip it over and they'll hate you. And is that what happened?

Yeah. Well, no, I never hated my mom. And towards the end, she had dementia. So I understand that, you know. But it was over the years I would ask her, and oh, you know, he was such a big boozer. And I'm just like, and? Who wasn't at 28 years old? In the 1959.

That's when he died. 1959. Mom, you know, abortions back then were really bad. I mean, against the law, for one, and women were dying because they were giving them themselves an abortion. My best friend's mom did it with the coat hanger. Oh, I know. And she did it and lived and that was, but my mom did. And she went to the alley, back up the stairs, and she was okay.

She lived through it. Oh, she went to a back alley of worship clinic? Yeah, that's where you had to go. And this was the baby that she was pregnant with after she found out her husband was dead. Yeah, because she wasn't working. She had two kids under five. So she couldn't support a third? No, she couldn't.

She told me that when I was like 16. And so anyway, so when my dad died, she ran across the street. I don't know why. I'm sure they had a phone. But anyway, called 911. I guess I don't know what it was back then probably. And so they came and so he passed. My dad was a very smart man.

He had already put a trust fund together for my brother. Wow, that's smart. I know. I know, very smart. Which we all did that. Anyway. So basically, fast forward when we turned 18, we got the, it was all in stocks. J.C. Penny, United Airlines, AT&T. A real ones.

600 shares of AT&T at $64 a share in 1975. Wow. So you were a maid at 18, you had some serious income coming away. I had some dough, yeah. Wow. And you think that that dough is what set you up potentially for the life of vice that you've lived? Well, yeah. I mean, three times I got fortunes to do that as far as that was the first one.

You have three fortunes. That's amazing. So what was the first fortune? Do you know the amount of your money? My dad. No, but I mean, what do you remember the amount? Oh, yeah, $35,000 in 1975. Just sitting there waiting for you.

That's not for like three houses back home. Oh, my gosh. My parents bought their house in 72 for 32, and we just sold it. Well, not just, but $8,000. Well, in some ways, Cindy, I mean, that's a beautiful thing that he was able to do for you. And you don't know him long, but he was able to do a thing that, you know, to set you up to give you a life maybe better even than the one that he had had. I know, like, my dad's dad died when he was very young. My dad's dad died when he was five years old.

Wow, really? How did he die? Also heart attack related. Yeah. And he was young 30s, but they didn't really talk about, that's what he always said. Once someone died in those days, they just kind of, they almost didn't, they almost didn't, they weren't really disgust ever again. It was almost like they're out of the picture. They didn't exist.

And I imagine if kids were there, they were like, let's not bring up. So he didn't really know much about his own dad. I don't either. He didn't tell me much about. my dad so you're right about that yeah but that he left you kind of this thing was just a gift that he was able to give you years after it's yeah I mean I mean who has I don't I didn't have that on my kids right so what happened when you got this money what did you did you have an intention what you want to spend it on uh 14 that would be 18 should we do that or just go a little

bit more about is there anything else you want to cover in oh yeah you want to talk about the what happened with your with your brother with your brother that was my step brother Darwin. My dad died in October of 1959. My mom married my stepfather, Thomas Reiner, in December of 1959. Oh, wow. That was very soon. That's how it used to be, though.

It did, because she was a single. She needed support. And because I've been, I was, when I found out, I'm like, what the hell? Right. Did you even love them? Yeah. You know, and my mom was one of the, a person that I have to, say is close to perfect, was close to perfect.

Wow. There's no perfect, but she was close to it. And so everyone would tell me, well, she's a single 21-year-old, two kids, no job. What the hell you're going to think she's going to do, you know? Is your mom hot? I feel like in her prime? She was. She was.

She was. I have pictures of that, too. I'll bring back. Anyway, yeah, she was. She was pretty hot. Well, get pregnant three times in like three years. Yeah, damn. Well, I guess she didn't use anything.

Great. It was a fun girl. Back that, I feel like it was a sock. Not really much. You had a kid who was cut. So then this new guy was what? An asshole? Thomas Reiner, Mr. Thomas Reiner, well, actually he met my mom, like on a blind date.

He was a widower. He had a son, Darwin, at five years old. He lost his wife and his daughter when she gave birth. Oh, wow. In childbirth. Both of them. Wow, that's, it's crazy when you think about it. It was not that long ago.

It feels like that's forever ago because you think about it, but the stuff, and it wasn't really that long, and that was still a legitimate thing. It still happens, I mean, now in third world countries and stuff. But I mean, it happens, how many, what percentage of the time? Yeah. But back then it was like, I have 50-50 shot. Wow. Damn.

Okay. And he was young, too? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they were 10 years apart. So they got married, and so then we moved into Norwalk. And so then they had two kids. My two sisters, which they're dead to me as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, yeah, really? Oh, yeah, they're gone. Kim and Debbie. So they were my stepfather and my mom. So we had step, whole, my brother and I, and half. A little bit of that. It was like the sitcom Modern Family. I relate.

I got all that stuff, too. I've got halves. I got fools. No, actually, I don't have any fools. But yeah, there's a lot of different things, blended families. Step parenting is tough, I have to say. I've never been one, but I've had, well, we'll get into that. But my dad, he adopted us even, but I'll just put it this way.

My stepfather and I, conversation over 50 years probably amounted to, I don't know, two pages of this. Wow. Not a lot. Not a lot. How much of that do you think, Cindy, was you not wanting to, uh, fill that role that was your dad, like not wanting to accept him. How much that was him and how much that do you think, looking back, you go, I didn't really want to welcome this man as my father, so I just kind of ignored.

I don't know if that may be subconsciously or something. I just didn't care for him because it was like walking on eggshells. Oh, I mean, what the hell? You know, unless he had, he was the type of person that should, a doctor should write a prescription. You have two to three drinks a day. Whenever you want it, just happen. Because when he did, he was like cool.

You know, he was very cool. He was just, if he didn't, it was like fridge open, what are you trying to, you know, cool down the neighborhood or... Oh, just kind of mean comments. Yeah, but then when you had a couple drinks, hey, dad, can I get the keys to the car? And he goes, I don't know. Can you? You know, one of these old things. Oh, I mean a full dad joke mode.

It sounds like he was the originator or some of those jokes. Yeah. It's probably the guy who created that hole. You're trying to cool off the neighborhood line. And so all of the siblings, everyone was living in one house. Yes, yes. We were all in one house. Like I said, my brother and I, we looked like, really, we did look twins.

We did look exactly alike. But then when I hit like five, I guess it was, five or six, I don't know, I just started playing with matches. I just liked fire. I don't know fire. I just probably liked the lid of the match. Of course. For some reason, I remember my mom and two sisters go into that, the store back then was like learners or so. It was so old.

It's where I got my wedding dress for 35 bucks. Anyway, and they left me. I'm going to go to that. $35 wedding dress. Hold on. Yeah. Stepped up. I'm taking notes as you're talking.

Good. Good. And so I got the paper out of the glove compartment. And I got the match. I got this bomb fire going in the back of a station wagon. Cool. Here comes my mom. Thank God.

I could have blown the whole thing up. Comes my mom and go, what are you doing? He puts it out anyway. She didn't know what to do. So she called the fire department. And they told her to get a box of wooden matches, put me at the table, and let me light each one, and let it go down to almost burn me. But obviously, don't burn her. And I never touched another match.

Wow, that was the method. But that was the method for cigarettes. You're a lifelong smoker. I don't touch. I don't use matches, no. Oh, okay. That's some lesson. So that was curious.

Remember when people wanted to smoke? It was like, all right, we're going to sit on the counter with a pack of cigarettes and you're going to sit here and smoke every single one of them. And then that made you not. You didn't want to smoke. Right. I did that to my daughter. So you almost blew up a car at the age of five.

They learned your lesson about matches. We're taking a quick wing break right now just so you know. I'm sitting in the middle of the story, but she's eating a wing as we talk. Yeah, just side note. The fact that you smoke is. much as you do, but you did the smoke a pack of cigarettes that I'm going to watch you so you never smoke with both of your kids. It's pretty incredible, and they didn't smoke. Wow. That's incredible. What works and what doesn't work? Yeah. Did you smoke with them? No. Wow. No, no, because I did one. Well, Jerk had asthma, extremely bad asthma. She almost died

every year, if not twice, almost every year for 10 years. Oh, wow. So bad. For people that are just getting into this right now, you've been listening to the second and Cindy story, this is the raw, version before we cut it into a movie. We have screenwriters. Second Indicciti is currently in the K-Rock Studios. We decided to rent out the studio from Sluggo so that we could do this properly film it. She's eating chicken wings now and she's washing

it down with a buzzball. What flavor buzzball are you going with? I got the blue. I like this one. Yeah, that's the blue. You have some big family-sized ones there as well. We don't want you to over-drink because I know you still... Oh, I won't. Now I'll tell you a story about the big ones. Okay, great. I can't wait for that. We're just getting some of the origin

story out of the way early on. and some of the things that made you the person you are today. A person who, by the way, we met, Ali and I had met, you know, even our origin story, 10 years ago when we were doing a radio show in the Bay Area, and we heard telltale of a woman that we never even knew that was driving a car around that promoted our show on the outside of her car, not in a bumper sticker, spray painted her whole car to promote our show.

Yeah, it was like serial killer stencils. We said, this is impossible. We didn't ask anyone to do this. Our company wouldn't have done this. They didn't spend a dollar promoting our show. How could it be? and then someone sent us pictures of the car parked in a grocery store parking a lot. And it was just being cited.

Just, yeah, being, right. We're like, wow, that's amazing. And it was one of those times when Ali and I really believe no one liked us, no one listened to the show. And we had to track her down. We saw this car. We said, we need to find this woman. And lo and behold, you were the woman who lived in that car. And we heard your voice.

And I think immediately, Ali said, this is not Cindy. This is secondhand Cindy. And I believe we have a picture of secondhand Cindy draped over the photo car with a cigarette. Yeah, it was our first ever photo shoot. And here we are now all these years later. It's one of the more meaningful relationships in my life, really one of the longest ones I've had, to be honest, is ours and the support you've given us to the show, but also just to the community of the other people. And I know you feel the same love, hopefully you feel the same love back from the people you've met as a result of our show, which is why we really do want to help document your story and do something with it, because we get you on the air a little bit here, a little bit there. But there's a reason, it's not just to make you relive all these painful moments of your life, but we really do.

think that there's a story in all of this. There is. An uplifting story. A modern-day Schindler's list. I guess, yeah. That's the best example. What's the one with the tennis players? Go back to Avengers Endgame.

Avengers Endgame. I thought that one. I was King Richard. King Richard. That one's sad to you. Real quick. Who came up a second hand, Cindy? I don't know.

I want to give Allie credit on this one, but I shouldn't. I think it was you. No, I don't think you should. I don't remember. I feel like I maybe said it. and I forgot I said it, then Allie referred to her as that. I was like, that's genius. Yeah, I can't remember.

Regardless. Maybe it created itself. It's, uh, yeah, it is the name. You had no idea what I would look like. No, we didn't. We knew what you sounded like and we knew how many cigarettes you smoked and what brand just based on your voice. And I knew you thought I'd just show up like a lizard just, uh. Yeah, I didn't know.

I didn't know what to expect. All my expectations were, uh, exceeded. Exceeded greatly. Yeah. And, uh, and still one of my favorite people that when I see at one of our events, even just knowing that second in the city is going to be at our event, going into it, I go, oh, at least we got one. I always go, at least we got one.

So the upbringing, would you say you had a happy childhood overall? You know what? Yes. Yes. I had a great, I did have a happy childhood. I did. After the, you know, the burning the car down, we'll fast forward to Darwin and my stepbrother. And he wanted to go camping.

So he made a tent and all this in the back. I was 10, he was 14. This was in the backyard? Yeah. Yeah, and he wasn't, mom told me after many years, she said, she always knew something was up with him. Wrong with him. Yeah, just always knew. It just wasn't right.

Anyway, so they went, he talked to him about camping out in the backyard, and obviously mom and dad said, okay, and of course they didn't think anything of it, and so we did it. And then. How old was he at the time? 14. Yeah, 14. and weird and just, I mean, I'm looking back now, but at the time, I thought, you know, maybe it'd be fun. But anyway, so he proceeded, he, no penetration, you know, just music, took me forever to play music at night.

But music, I mean, because it didn't ruin me, you guys, it didn't. It didn't change my sex life or anything. It's just something that I went through. So after about a month, I knew something. was right. I knew this wasn't... So this was ongoing. It wasn't just one occurrence. Yeah, ongoing like once or twice a weekend or something, not every day,

but on the weekend. But you knew something was wrong with what was happening. Yeah, I just didn't think that this was, I don't know what was, what I was what I was seeing or touching or what, you know. And so I told a family, there was families. We were the Rhiners, we had the Shays, the Rhiners, the Shays, the Rhiners, the Nileys, the Whites.

The Whites was a family. We lived next They're all the whites in this story, but. It's a lot of descendants of my family. The whites, the whiter's, the whitest. We're all getting together. Yeah, the whites. I mean, that's a story in itself. Anyway, they'll come into play.

Glenda White was the oldest, the only female. Glenda, Glenn Tom, Steve, Joseph, John. All very, very wealthy and extremely did great in their life. Will they also JC Penny millionaires as well? No, they went to. killing off of Jayce Penny in the 50s. It turns out maybe we need to get Jaycey Penny involved in this story. Nothing's going to go wrong.

We're fucking rolling in it. We're all penny in arms. We've got the photo shoots. I don't even know how much the stocks were in juicy pennies I had. I do remember the AT&T though. Yeah. Five hundred shares at $65 a share. Still still sit on a mountain of penny stock.

It's actually is a penny stock now. Yeah. So did you tell somebody? I told her. and she said I needed to tell mom and so she walked with me to my house and I told mom I'm just looking at mom like

what is she gonna do so that's okay I will inform your dad informed my dad my stepdad came home called Darwin we had a big den in the back of the house huge den he was over here here and so Tom was my

stepdad Tom went over and just beat him from one end to the other and I left obviously I didn't know so A belt, a hand. His hand.

Yeah. Well, you know what? It's good that they believed you. Oh, yeah. It's good that they took it. Oh, yeah. I mean, I know their method of just beating the shit out of somebody is a little old school. But still the fact that they did something is.

He didn't, like, hurt him. There was no blood or anything, but he let him know that it's wrong. If I had my way with him, I would have kicked his ass. Oh, yeah, I could be up a 14-year-old, I think. I think you could probably take him a 14-year-old. Yeah. I mean, it would be quite touch and go for a little bit, but I think I'd get. And he wasn't a fighter either.

He couldn't be. So anyway, obviously that stopped. My dad was worked for a... And that was it. That never happened again. Never happened again. Wow, okay. But he still continued to live with you guys? Oh, yeah, and he was still psycho. He broke up. Wine bottle over my head.

Oh, Jesus. And then... Did you drink the shards? Yeah, what a waste of wine. I know. Bread, too. Oh, no. That tastes like Keonti. He was just a psycho from... Yeah.

Did he grow up to be like a psycho, psycho? He did. Dad ended up getting transferred. He worked for FAA, and he got transferred to Van Nuys, so we moved to Chatsworth. He'll fit in great there. Yeah. We need more people like this working at the FAA. Darwin did not come with this.

Okay. Yeah, and my brother actually stayed with his friend, his friend, his friend, his friend, his friend, Jerry Walker, and that name is important to the shooting incident. Oh, fuck. So. Oh, man. Note to self, Jerry Walker. It's a real like Emily Chamelon story. Thank you for helping us being like, keep that in mind.

Yeah, I know. The only names I drop is like it continues. You know, I'm not going to drop like Karen. Well, she's in one too, but. Oh, boy. That's another shooting incident. The Karen's in the whites. Yeah.

All right. So anyway, so we moved to Chasper in 1972. I had long hair, wear makeup, white eye shadow, false eyelashes, the whole bit. Because from age 13, I'd go, even in Norwalk, I would go to my girlfriend, Karen's house, and put on all the makeup and do whatever. Go to school. It was exhausting. You leave school.

Go to hers. Take it off. Go home. Well, mom caught me one time because I had a really risque outfit on. But anyway, you guys are going to have to help me because sometimes I get sidetracked. Where we were. You moved? Oh, yeah.

So we moved it. Oh, so I cut the hair off, took the makeup off. I even changed my last name. I don't know how I did that for some reason I think I did, but anyway, because I was red when I was born, Reiner. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I just changed everything about me, and it was the best thing my parents could have done was moving us from Norwalk to Chatsworth. Because obviously Norwalk was really bad. And so that, Darwin didn't stay.

I mean, Darwin didn't go, well, about a year or so, he ended up killing himself. Oh, wow. Well, I'm a little, I don't know, I have some questions about that because he got busted for making hash, hash oil, and a hash oil machine, all that. And he was detained in Norwalk, you know, county jail before he got transferred. And always when you're detain, I don't care how, what year it was, you take everything away because they don't want you to kill yourself

for whatever crimes that you do. Supposedly, he broke his neck. with a sheet with a sheet one end around your feet the other end around your neck and you go back and you break your neck I tried it it doesn't work you tried it

because I don't believe that's what happened so you just wanted to see as possible you weren't trying to kill yourself you wanted to see if this is possible so you tied a sheet around your own legs and neck and jump backwards so you think he was killed while being detained

I think so. That's my guess, but I didn't go to his funeral. I danced when he died because I was young and dumb. My dad, I'm sure, was, I'm sure, was suffering, I'm sure, severely because he lost his son. But my sisters went, and that's what they thought to. So a lot of still speculation. Yeah, it was over and done. I guess I had a black guy here, but I don't know. We don't know what happened. And hopefully dad didn't know. I don't really know. I don't want to cut off the stories.

Vanessa is informing me that, as we know, we have the studio for limited time today because Sluggo's going to get in here. We wanted to make sure we're going to be here. We wanted to make sure we're going to be a big studio. And so we're going to have to do this obviously over the course of multiple different sessions. And some will be recorded and some will not be. But I do want to talk about the first arrest. The first time you remember being arrested.

I think this is a pivotal moment. Maybe you're breaking bad moment. When did this happen? First initially arrest. I was let's see that was the trip I was coming back

from the river in my new car by 240 Z. I was coming back from the river I see we've skipped ahead now and now I'm confused the river

we have to skip a few years again that was a river just don't worry about it's the river Chatsworth everyone knows the Chatsworth

the river it's great make sure you're on the mic there too Cindy oh yeah sorry

yeah yes a bunch of us went down to Colorado River and a friend of mine that was Karen

she went with me So we were down there, we had a blast now, it was time to come back. And when I hit 18 and I got the money, the first car I bought off the showroom was a brand new. It was a 240Z yellow, bright yellow, like neon yellow. And it was like up on a rack. And he's like, well, how are you going to pay? I'm like, cash.

I mean, you should never treat anybody. You should always treat people with respect because you never know I'm in a pair of shorts. I'm 18. He doesn't think I'm going to whip out. up six grand. Oh yeah, it's like a pretty woman scenario. Get it off the rack. I want it.

So that car I took on our way back, I was doing about 210. 210 miles an hour? Yeah. Cars went that fast back then? 240Z did. Wow. Six ship just boom. I know, crazy.

I had a half gallon of tequila, half gallon of whiskey, and I was on cannabino. I don't know if you guys do anything about that. That was a drug. Canabinol. Isn't that a weed bag? Well, yeah. Yeah, because obviously C, cannabinol, N-T-HC is cannabinol,

but this was pure cannibinol. Okay. Powder form. Oh, powder form. So then do you snort that? Whoa, yeah. Wow. So you snorted that, tequila, everything else.

Oh, yeah. And you're 18. 18. And you're driving the car, 210 miles an hour. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I slowed down when I got to the 10 or 210. When you got off the 15,

you got to get on the freeway to go home and got in the fast lane. but I thought I could pass in the fast lane. Well, there's no room to pass in the fast lane. I sidest wiped the fence, not even fence, the concrete. The guardrail. Whatever. I'm like, hold on, Karen. We're going for a ride.

No, I didn't even say that. Hit one car, hit another car, hit a third car. Ended up on the emergency lane past the slow lane. I ended up there. Anyway, so then, of course, the cops come. What did I do? Oh, my God. So, long story short, yes, they didn't find the cannabinol, but obviously found the booze. The rest of DUI blew a 0.28.

0.28. Was that your high score in the DUIs? That's the highest, yeah. That's the highest you've gone. Yeah, 0.30. Well, they say 0.08, anything higher than 0.0.0.0. You're legally drunk. And 0.3.0, you should be.

0.0, you're dead. Should be. Point two eight's like pretty much like that's like a nine that's like a nine nine nine power ball and of the two of you it was the choice to have Cindy drive instead of Karen so was Karen even more wasted? I don't remember I probably I don't really know. I hate to end that on that story Vanessa's happened me and sluggles in the hall so here's the thing second and Cindy the fact that you came in here it means the world to us I hope

we have a legally binding contract now we're starting to get to the stories we will continue we will get through yeah a lot of times you know these movies are great ones Sometimes I have to sit down and talk to the person. I know. Hours to come up with the right two hours for the movie or the TV. Middle is being animated cartoon, maybe. We don't know how this will play out. I don't know how this will play out.

I don't know. You climb it. I am locked in. It's riveting. It's like watching an audio book live before my very eyes. And I've never read a book. Second-in-Sindy, it's a pleasure. Enjoy your up. There she goes.

She's chug-lugging. There goes the buzz balls. Take your time. The second-end Cindy story coming soon to a theater near you. We have three years to get it off the ground. We're just going to continue with these little chats. Some will happen in the podcast, some will happen outside of here, but we will keep you posted every step of the way. And Cindy, what closing words do you have for our first sit down and chat with you?

You know what? I really think that this is going to help me a little bit, which I never really care about that. But I think it's already like makes me, helps me feel a little better about what I don't know. To look at your life a little bit to a closer lens. I guess that really someone needs. like, would like to know about it. Yeah. Well, we want to know about it.

That's impressive. There's a lot of lessons that can be learned from the life you've lived, the good and the bad. I hope so. I hope I can teach someone not to make the same history. What I've learned is that J.C. Penny was a fantastic business. If I could only get a time machine and a JCPenney, life would be different. Amazing. All right, we'll do it again next time.

Until then, I say for Jake, we.