KSR - 2024-12-17- KSR - Hour 1
Episode Date: December 17, 2024Matt, Ryan, Drew, and Shannon talk UK Basketball, fans standing at Rupp Arena, and a "Championship Chest."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....
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Welcome, everyone.
It is Kentucky Sports Radio Thursday, Tuesday, December 17th, eight days before Christmas.
I am in Louisville with Shannon, Ryan, and Drew.
are in Lexington. This is our one day this week. We are not at the KS Bar and Grill. We'll be there
tomorrow Thursday and a rare Friday without a remote this week. You can give a shout. Clark's
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D.J. Smith, Lawvis. If you call TJ, he'll make them pay. Shannon, every time I come to
downtown Louisville to this building, which ends up being once every, I don't know, two, three,
four weeks, two things I notice. One, there are fewer and fewer people in this building.
Yep. It's me and you and about three other people. Vanuette's wandering around.
Yeah, there was a time there were a lot of people in this building. That time is no longer the case.
The second thing, and this is sadder to me, is there are no longer.
people in downtown Louisville at all.
You know what I mean?
Like the, it is amazing to me.
You know, I used to work down here as a lawyer and then we moved down here a few years
ago.
Like, no one is downtown.
That cannot be good for the city.
I don't get to wander out around, you know, 10 o'clock.
I'm in here at 6.30 in the morning, so nobody's out at that time anyway.
But yeah, that's not good.
It's not good.
At this time, nobody's walking around the streets.
That makes me, it makes me sad.
The city, you know, I don't think it ever completely, whereas in Lexington, that's not the case.
But in Louisville, it is.
Now, speaking of Lexington, I wasn't going to leave with this, but it's a good transition.
Ryan, do you know what Bloomberg is?
Do you know what that is?
The Bloomberg report.
What does that mean?
Business news report.
Yeah, it's a business like economy website, right?
I told you there was a time I subscribed to the Bloomberg magazine, but then they cut it, unfortunately.
I guess it was, I was the only person Ryan subscribing.
But yesterday, they still have a website and they released the 25 places in the world that you want to make sure you visit in 2025.
Now, Drew, that sounds exciting, right?
You could pick any 25 places in the world that you want to visit in 2025.
Doesn't that seem exciting?
Oh, I love to travel.
I'd love to see this list.
All right.
And on the list are four places in the United States
and then a lot of places around the world.
And on this list, Ryan,
of where you should go in 2025,
one of the places is Lexington, Kentucky.
Yeah.
Does that surprise you that we would be one of the 20, 25 places
that you would want to visit in 2025?
This is my feeling about it.
I get it because Lexington is a beautiful town
and with Keenland,
the horse farm.
It is the breweries.
It is absolutely beautiful.
But when people come here in the middle of the summer
and they ask me what they should do,
I always draw a blank.
What do you draw a blank?
You can't think of one thing for them to do.
Don't put them on the tourism commission.
Yeah, no kidding.
They didn't interview you for this article, did they?
Okay, so when they come in, they're like, hey, you know,
Keenland's not in session.
We did the brewery.
What else is there to do in Lexington?
Crickets.
You can't think of anything else.
What am I going to tell them?
Go to the Henry Clems.
play home?
Yeah, well, I don't know.
The Mary Todd Lincoln house?
Mary Todd Lincoln?
That's an afternoon.
Just going to the horse park, right?
It's expensive.
What do you mean?
It's expensive.
It's like $60 a person these days.
We're assuming these people you're talking to traveling.
They presumably have come from all over the world.
I feel like if they got on a plane and flew from Argentina, Shannon, they can pay to go to
the horse park.
Yeah, Ryan, you just paid $50 to go up in the space needle at Seattle.
Well, that was worth it.
Wait, wait a minute.
Boy, did that cost $50?
Oh, yeah.
You paid $50 to go up in space?
It was pretty awesome once you got up there.
Like the view was amazing.
They had a glass floor.
It rotated.
I wouldn't have,
hang on,
I wouldn't have done that.
You all spent $50 to just stand somewhere tall?
When we got up there,
we got a drink that was $20.
All your drinks are $20 a piece up there.
I did get an old-fashioned.
It was $22.
You are the two stingiest people I know,
and you paid $50 to ride an elevator.
When are we ever going to be in Seattle again?
Well, the NCAA tournament is there this year, so you might go right back.
We'll go right back up on the Space Theater.
Well, anyway, the 25 best places to go in 25.
It includes the other places in America were San Diego,
but it's like the R Valley in Germany, Rome, because it's festival,
Alaska was on there, Cuba, but Ryan also Lexington, Kentucky.
So we should be proud of the state.
The city that we do this show in is one of the places.
places you should be. Like I said, the beauty of Lexington is what attracts people, I think, so much.
But I just have trouble telling people what to do once again, especially they have kids.
We have kids. What do we do? We come to Lexington.
If you're on a budget of, you can't afford $60.
Yeah, then you shouldn't have a big day. To be honest with you, then you should just stay where you are.
Because I don't think, I don't think it's going to work for you.
All right. So yesterday, Ryan, after the show, Drew, the, all anybody wanted to talk about online and when I ran into the person,
into people in person was this whole do you sit down or not yeah yeah it is amazing how this issue
which is percolated for 15 years since we've been doing this show really seems to have hit
its breaking point with Caleb the the standard Drew I don't know about you but looking around
it seems like most people are on Caleb the stander's side although I will say there is a
minority of people who don't like the idea of standing.
I had somebody who sat in that section who said to me that he didn't like it because
he thought Caleb was just standing to stand, that it wasn't cheering, he was just standing.
But Drew, you're out and about.
Do you think most people are pro the stander?
I do.
And I also think it is everywhere.
Not 10 minutes after the show, I went to Kroger and someone, I talked someone in Kroger,
about the standing debate, I mean, right after we ended yesterday.
I've gotten messages from people that are pro-stander and pro-sitting just from Section 15.
I've had them split on that.
But overall, I'd say it's like 90% in favor of the standing.
And to be honest, anyone that has been against the standing, they've been a little older.
So I think it's a lot of age.
Shannon, I think this was far more than the dude that got his picture taken and this guy.
I think all of Section 15 was at war because I've had, I feel like every seat in the section has contacted me to tell me what, I mean, I first of all, I didn't know how many people I knew that sat in that section.
And secondly, they all had an opinion.
But here is the opinion.
So I have some news on it, Ryan, that I think is.
Okay.
All right.
This is the opinion that I think is the most important.
One of the questions we had, Shannon, was, what are you going to arrest him for?
Right.
Like, what is the crime?
This is apparently the community.
committee of 101. That's the blue coats.
Right. Apparently got an update to what they're supposed to be doing. So I had a blue coat,
Shannon, reach out to me anonymous. Okay. This is helpful. This person is a blue coat.
Yeah. But they didn't want me to say their name, which I understand. And here I'm going to
read you the email. I'm a blue coat. And as such, I'm asking you not to reveal blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. The correct action we have been told by the committee bidder should have been to tell the
complaining fan that Caleb, the fan that was standing, was allowed to stand as long as he was in
his assigned seat. We cannot tell fans at football or basketball games or any other events.
They're not allowed to stand unless they're standing in the aisle so that we aren't compliant
with the fire code. Should the fan become unruly, there's a chain of command to follow, which would
then get in touch with our section leader who would go to a UK rep, who then could go to the
police. It looked to me on the video like Caleb was not unruly, so the police should have
never been called in the first place, and threats to have fans removed is not something we as
blue coats are allowed to do individually. So there you have it. He's allowed to stand as long as
he's in his area. Then I had somebody from the police reach out, right? Yes. And here's what they say.
The coping question should have never done, should have never threatened arrest. The blue coats
are the ones that decide the policy in Rupp Arena.
If they say he has to go,
the cop can cite for criminal trespass.
If he were to refuse, they could arrest.
But ultimately, it's the blue coats who would decide.
The officer doesn't decide on his own
because it is a UK event.
So it sounds to me like,
ultimately, this is a UK decision, not a cop decision.
And ultimately, the blue coats should not be.
able to, should not tell a person who is just standing and not being unruly that they can't do it.
So it sounds like to me, Ryan, that unless the Caleb kid was doing something unruly,
according to UK policy and according to police policy, he has a right to stand during the game.
And I'm glad you put that out there because we talked about on the pre-show.
I feel like UK can't come out and mandate that people can't stand up.
And if they've given the blue coats, the authority to dictate that, I think that's the best move.
You can't tell people to sit down.
You can't tell people they can't stand up and cheer.
And as I suspected, you can't just say I'm going to arrest you, Drew, and I'll figure out what it is when we get in the car on the way, right?
It would have to be a trespass, and it's only a trespass if UK tells him he can't sit.
And it sounds like to me that whatever Blue Coat told him he couldn't sit was in the wrong,
at least if you listen to their policy.
That's a good policy, especially if you're just in your own seat.
You'll go to jail.
It's a little threatening.
And my favorite part in all of this is while he's telling him to sit, everyone in Rupp Arena stands up because, oh, yeah, it's a basketball game.
People stand up during basketball games.
But as he's trying to handle it is when the whole crowd goes wild, just showing how silly it was that he's trying to get a guy to sit down.
So here's what I think's going to happen, Shannon, at this next game.
Yeah.
Right.
Now, they're lucky that Christmas is coming and, like, some people will forget this, right?
Like, people will move on with their lives.
But the next home game is the 31st, New Year's Eve.
A date that I don't know if you know, Shannon, people tend to drink.
Yeah, it's a party day.
It's a party day.
Now, the game's at two in the afternoon, so it's not that late.
I think, Shannon, people are just going to be standing for the sake of standing.
Yep.
Right.
I think there are going to be, I think there's going to be a bunch of people who
decide I am making my literal stand on principle here.
And I think you're going to have the potential for more of these little interactions,
which is why ultimately I believe that UK probably should send out some kind of statement
because otherwise I think you're asking for little fan fights all over the crowd at the next
home game. Do you agree with that? Well, what kind of statement are you going to send out just to
say, hey, reminder that fans are allowed to stand? I mean, what kind of statement would you put out?
I mean, yeah. I think I would say that. I would say a reminder, we encourage our fans to be
considerate, but they also have a right to stand and cheer for their team. Okay. Yeah, I like that.
Just so, you know, if you get behind a guy that or a person that stands. It's bad luck.
Well, yes, but that is allowed, just so everybody's on the same page. Would you send out a statement,
Ryan, if you were, if you were UK? Only to say fans have the right to
stand. You can't restrict him from standing.
And we had talked about this yesterday.
The one thing Caleb did, he said he checked with the people behind him.
And the people sitting right behind him were okay with it.
He was being respectful to the fans.
I did have a couple of people, to be fair, saying the group that maybe Caleb was being
a little chesty, Drew, about standing and that he stood, he apparently stood at the
beginning of the game, then he sat, and then he stood at the entire end of the game.
And so there were some people that were like, you know what?
he wasn't being unruly, but he was also trying to get a reaction.
It was what some people in the section said, I wasn't there, so I don't know.
And I could understand a little bit of that.
I mean, there are different levels of standing.
I mean, some people stand to cheer.
Some it's a little more attention seeking, maybe to provoke something like this.
Maybe you're like me and you have to stand up because your back hurts and you feel 90 years old.
But if he's just up there kind of trying to get a reaction by standing, that's different
than if he's just up standing and trying to cheer on Kentucky.
But what you just said there, he didn't stand the entire game.
he stood at the beginning. He stood at the end.
And that's what I want my fan base to do.
Like you're not going to stand the whole game, beginning and end, at least.
Well, so that is the official, like what the rules are going forward.
That's from the blue coat.
It sounds like maybe the blue coat overreacted, the cop overreacted, and now we'll see what
ends up happening in the future.
But I just kind of have a feeling we're going to see more of this through the year
because certainly online, the reaction is pro, Caleb.
I tell you one thing.
You talk about the Brown game.
There'll be a lot of people look straight at Section 15 and see what's going on over there.
Who knew Section 15, Shannon, was where it all goes down.
A bunch of troublemakers.
And I'll say this, Section 15's got a lot of leakers because there's a lot of Section 15 riders that were out there.
Yeah, there are.
And we're going to have the cameras situated on Section 15.
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That's what's going to happen.
I think Shad on the 31st.
People are going to stand for something or they'll fall for anything.
That's right.
I really like Aaron Tippett.
Didn't you work?
What was the story you always told about?
I lifted waist.
Yeah.
You got for a look at the same amount of...
Middlesboro High School.
He asked me to spot him, and I think that was a bad idea
because he was lifting a lot more than I could spot.
I asked him to spot for me.
Didn't seem like that big of him.
His life was in your hand in that moment.
I know, and I would not have been able to save him.
If he had collapsed on him, he was in trouble.
But he was just, he was, you know, for that period of time,
he was like a manly guy, right?
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Some of the pro standing contingent Ryan is writing in.
One person goes, I'd like to know if Caleb spent thousands of dollars on his season tickets.
Well, I don't think that matters.
Right.
Like as long as he has the ticket, Ryan, it's not ours to judge what.
whether it's valid or not.
That's true.
That's exactly right.
I think Caleb even said in his call yesterday.
It was his first ever game at UK.
He was excited to be there.
Yeah.
I mean, you don't get to decide.
If you have a ticket, you don't get to decide, well, I spit more on this one than you.
I don't think that matters.
Bad argument.
Yeah.
Yep.
One person writes, Matt, I think we should stand to cheer, but sit to watch.
Do you agree with that?
Stand to cheer, sit to watch.
I do not agree with that.
I think at some point you should take breaks.
If you're standing the entire 40-minute game,
you might be attention-seeing a little bit,
but no, you can stand up.
Certainly when the game gets tight,
late in the game, stand up the whole time
if you feel like it.
The team needs it.
When you stand, whatever you're doing,
if you stand, you project more authority.
Ryan, that's why I have a stand-at-remotes, right?
Yes.
What are you laughing at?
he's not exactly standing.
Are you laying down?
I have a fire.
Drew,
what are you telling on me?
No,
I didn't say you're laying down.
I didn't say you're laying down.
I just said it is a natural thing that if you stand or sit up straight,
you will be more interested.
You will project more authority.
If you lay down like a sloth,
which is what Ryan I'm sure is doing right now, Shannon.
You're inevitably not going to be as mentally.
engage. You're just not. He's going to fall asleep.
Yes. Lying down like that. So, so Ryan, I don't expect you to stay, but will you sit up
with a decent posture? I didn't say he's lying down. I'm just saying we have a nice comfortable
environment here. Brian, can you sit up with a good posture? Okay, I'm sitting up. Drew told him.
My son told on me. Now I got, I'm sitting up. He's done a laugh. I had to say something.
I could tell on a cozy couch. I could tell that's exactly what he was doing. All right, for this.
For the next, before we go the phones, 859, 280, 2287. Do me a favor, Drew.
for this topic, I need you to turn Ryan's mic down.
Okay.
All right here in front of me.
Ryan, you, because when I say this, you're going to say something offensive.
And Shannon, I don't need that, okay?
Yeah, yeah, probably best that he doesn't talk here.
Yeah, Ryan, Mike off.
This is just for Drew and Shannon.
Mark Pope said yesterday that he wants his team to have a championship chest.
Yes, I heard that.
Now you can see why I turned his microphone.
He wants Kentucky to have a championship chest.
And here's what he meant by that.
And I love this.
He said, and he's right about this,
that if you play defense with your chest,
like they teach you in the military how to stay in, Shannon, right?
Chest out.
If you play defense with your chest out,
you can be physical.
You can even sort of bump into the guys.
and they are very unlikely to call a foul.
But if you reach and hit them with your arm, they'll call a foul.
So he teaches his players to bump up against people with their chest
because they're unlikely to call a foul.
And he said, O.A. and Butler and Noah, of all people, are the best at it.
And he's trying to teach the whole team to do it.
He specifically was talking about Amari Williams.
Don't slap at people.
Get a championship chest.
Do you like that?
make sense to me i mean because you know most of the fouls that are called are when guys that are
defending start flailing with their arms so if you chest up you get a little leeway you can bump
the guy around be physical that way as long as you don't get him with your arms usually you see
that uh the ruffs won't call a foul there so i think it makes sense through the championship chest
makes sense to me does it make sense to you absolutely another example of pope being a lot
smarter than everyone else the way he explained it he went to the rules i couldn't even keep up with it during
the show last night. But what I do know is that you don't beat Duke without the championship chest
because in that journey video at halftime, they were screaming, use your championship chest
in the Duke band before you. Yeah. Especially coach Brooks, the assistant, he was just shouting
championship chest in that comeback. So that helped him beat Duke. So of course I'm going to believe in it.
And you know, when they got in that little fight, Shannon, it was a championship chest. None of them
threw a punch. Geras was just walking over there with his chest out going bam, bam, bam,
bam. What was the other part that he said, a positive step? He made a positive step towards
the local bench and chest up. Championship chest. And no harm, no foul. So I am going to be
watching in the next game and I'm going to be counting the championship chess that I see the players do
at course of the time. Now that I, he says it, I think about it. Butler does that a ton. And I'm
going to be watching for it in the next game.
All right.
Now you can turn Ryan back.
Welcome back, Ryan.
Welcome back.
I knew he was going to say something shit about Dolly Parton or something like that.
It's a wonder he didn't recruit Dolly to his team.
I got to see.
Turning back down.
All right.
I got him.
Jeff.
Go ahead, Jeff.
Hey, guys.
Two big one, pro stands.
UK grad from 2006.
I've been asked to sit down by Blue Coast multiple times.
But now we know they can't do that.
Now we know that unless you're being unruly,
they can't tell you to sit down
and everyone should take that knowledge into the game.
But go ahead.
And well, and I think we've got a major opportunity
to redefine what it means to come to Rup Arena.
Maybe create a family-friendly zone, right?
You can seek that out if you've got a young one with you,
if you've got an elderly person with you.
But like a huge opportunity to redefine
what it means to come to Rup Arena
it for a game. Second is on the chest out, my biggest critique of where we could potentially
become elite is Amari Williams playing with his hands up on both sides of the ball. He plays with
his hands at his knees. He got a reaching foul on the low block. He does often. And that's why he didn't
play in the second half. There's that play. It was early in the second half where he didn't even
have his hands up. The guy got the rebound and made the layup. And Pope didn't put him back in
after that.
So I think, you know, let's ride the ride with him and support them, but there's some major
opportunity there to just become more imposing for them.
Totally agree.
Appreciate the call.
Championship chest.
Shane, I'm going to come over there right now and give you a championship chest.
Just bought me.
Let's go.
Let's go.
We'll take a break.
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You know this song, Shannon, or Ryan?
Oh, I absolutely know this song.
Singing a lot in church.
I've heard it.
It's of God, my Savior.
Okay, nobody wants to hear you sing.
It's like an old mountain song.
This is not the version that I would, that I would be, you know, used to.
But standing on the promises of God.
Yep.
That's good mountain hymn.
Drew, are you familiar?
Do they sing this in Madisonville?
I don't think this was on our playlist, but I'm enjoying it.
Okay.
It sounds a lot like others we had.
I don't think we had the specific one.
Okay.
Shannon, you know, we had this British guy in town last week.
Yeah, how did that go?
So it went well, but I had to drive him from Louisville to Country Boy in Georgetown, right?
Yeah.
And, you know, he's not the most talkative guy in the world.
So I just put my, my music, my, like, CD, well, not CD.
What's on my phone, right?
All the, my library on my.
my Spotify. I just hit it, put it on like Skip, right? And I wasn't really thinking. And then all of a sudden
this old gospel hymn came on called that washed in the blood of the lamb. You know, we've played
that before on him, which is kind of a really weird song. It comes from the Bible, but it's like,
are you washed in the blood of the lamb? Which is kind of gross if you just take it literally.
You know, I mean, it's metaphorical, right? That guy was probably ready to do.
to jump out of a window.
But this dude was not a religious guy, I don't think.
Yeah.
So he just hears this song plane,
are you washed in the blood of the lamb?
And I'm taking him through rural Scott County to Country Boy.
And I could just see a look on his face where he was like,
do I want to get involved in this?
I'm about to get slaughtered like a lamb.
So I said to explain to him what washed in the blood of the lamb was,
right?
because I don't think he knew.
I was like, oh, it's in the Bible.
It's in the Bible.
We don't, I'm not really washing you with blood of the lamb.
It's a metaphor.
Yeah, if you had no idea what was going on, that is kind of a strange song.
Kind of a weird song to have to hear.
So you didn't feel compelled to like maybe play some British music for him?
Why would you do that?
Because that's where he's from.
Yeah, but you don't.
If I was in Britain and they played American songs, I don't know, people do not want, when you visit India,
you don't want people to play music from Kentucky.
You want to know about India, right?
I don't know.
I'd probably like something I'm familiar with.
So you just go to India and eat hamburgers and listen to...
I go to India and say, put on some stone-tipple pilots.
See, that's what's wrong with you all.
That's what I was talking about yesterday.
Don't you want to feel the culture you're in?
You don't go to Paris and order a hamburger.
I would.
True.
I didn't say slaughtered by the lamb.
I didn't say slaughter.
First of all, it's not slaughtered by the lamb.
It's wash.
That's different than slaughter.
Shrew, aren't you?
Am I not right about that?
These two, they would just like to go to McDonald's in whatever country they're in.
I know.
They'd be at Hooters, India, as fast as they could get there.
I'm a little more like you.
I would prefer to hear the local Indian radio, go to the local Indian restaurant.
I want to see how other people live.
I could see ride at Hooters Mbigh.
I can see it.
Brent, go ahead, Brent.
Hey, Matt.
What's up?
How you guys?
Good.
So I just want to call in about the standing thing.
I know a lot of people are saying that they're for it, and I feel the same way.
I live like two and a half, three hours away.
I don't get to come to a lot of basketball games because they're doing the weekend
because of the price and how hard it is to get tickets.
If I pay for a ticket and I drive all the way there,
and it's against our biggest rival Louisville,
and that is an important game for us.
I am standing.
I pay for that ticket just as much as that other person,
and I have the right to stand.
And if that police officer would have to come down and told me that you don't have the right.
Hang on a second.
Hang on just a second.
You can't just a second.
You can't just start saying stuff.
When you said I have a right to do it,
just for the record, no you don't,
unless UK says you do.
All right.
There is no God-given.
right to go into a building that you are not the owner of and do whatever you want.
If UK says you have a right, then you do.
If UK says you don't, then you don't.
So I do think it's important to understand.
UK decides this.
And so while I think I agree with you, they should decide that.
You don't just have a right to have a ticket and do whatever you want.
UK still gets to decide it.
Matt, that's within reason.
Everyone understands that.
But if that person has a right to sit in that seat because they bought the ticket,
then I have the ability to stand.
Only if UK says you do.
Only if UK says you.
But they haven't said that we couldn't.
So that person is making a statement and getting upset about something that UK never said that we couldn't do.
I think that part is correct.
You're exactly right.
But that's why I think, Ryan, it's important for UK.
And I appreciate the call to make clear.
because I just don't want to see our fans fighting each other on the 30 first.
And that's what the color kind of hinted to.
You know, the fact that this was a huge rivalry game,
I think makes this story stand out even more
because you want your crowd to be,
you want the home court advantage.
You want your crowd to be into the game.
You're playing Louisville for crying out loud.
Yeah.
Mike, what's up, Mike?
Mike.
Hello.
Go ahead, sir.
Hey, first time last time.
Who are? What's up? Take me off speakerphone and go ahead.
Okay. How's that?
Not much better, but go ahead.
Okay, now I'm off speaker.
There you go. There you go.
I just had an idea for a nickname.
How about the importables?
The what?
The importables.
They all come from the portal.
But what does import?
Yeah, but importables would mean like we're importing them from another country.
Well, they all came out as a portal.
Okay.
The M. Portables.
Yeah.
All right.
I kind of catch you out.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I appreciate the call.
Ed.
What do you think, Shannon?
Importables?
No.
No.
Not going to work.
We haven't had a good nickname since Devastation Incorporated.
Stray cats.
That was the, no.
Devastation Incorporated.
Straycast was wonderful.
All right.
I got a question for you, Ryan.
Ready.
Oklahoma State Coach Mike Gundy agreed to give $1 million back of his salary every year for NIL.
Florida State coach Mike Norville has three years left on his deal, agreed to give $1.5 million back of his contract for NIL.
Both of them said they both had very, very bad years last year.
And both of them said they were doing it because they didn't think they had earned.
that salary and it would be better off going to the players because they didn't earn it.
Are you surprised a coach would do that?
And do you think when coaches don't do well, that should be something that they do?
I think it helps their relationship with the fan base if they make that sacrifice, say,
hey, I look, this was not to our standards.
I didn't do a good job.
This is what we're going to do to solve the problem.
Drew?
It's really weird that they did that.
think it's cool, but I would say 99% of people wouldn't do that. I'm kind of shocked they did it.
Two of them did, though. I know. That's why I'm saying I'm surprised. And I, if I'm a fan, that would go a long
way with me. But to have an expectation or to think it would continue, I wouldn't think so. But again,
the fact that two have already done it, I'm shocked by that. Would you all do it? Okay, so let's suggest
let's put yourself in their shoes. They're making whatever number they're making. I don't know what,
what those two guys are making. But they also think a big part of their problem is they can't get guys in the
portal. They can't get guys that are good enough. Would you sacrifice your money in the short term
to try to have success that could then potentially get you more money in the long term? Or would you
just say, this is what you said you're paying me. You're paying me. That's why you have contracts.
Shannon, I know you would say pay me the money. That is, that is no doubt in my mind you would pay the
money. What about you, Ryan, Drew? The thing is you have to put yourselves in their shoes. They're so
wealthy. That's money that they will likely never realistically see at the end of the day.
They've already made so much. It's probably a little easier for them to make that call than me or
Ryan sitting here. But I still think I don't know that I would do it. I think it's a big ask
of someone. Well, let's put it in the percentage of, let's say, Ryan, you're making $100,000.
I mean, this is like 10% of their salary. Would you give back 10 in order to try to make it
to where you could do your job better to potentially make more and have more?
more success down the road?
See, that's it.
I think, you know, you take the hit now with the hope it's going to pay dividends
in the future years.
With the hope.
There's no proof.
There isn't proof.
But another bad year, I could get fired and have zero dollars.
Could get fired and have nothing.
Yeah, but then you'll have your buyout.
You will, but then you might not be able to get another coaching job.
Yeah.
If you're coaching at that level, you'll find another place.
I don't know if Mike Norville will.
I don't know if Mike Norville will get another big.
time coaching job if he fails at Florida State. If he completely fails at Florida State,
I think teams will go, if you couldn't win there, why do we think you're going to win here?
And I think he's a guy that's a good example because Florida State has this great tradition.
So he's trying to say, hey, look, I'm going to donate this money from my own salary.
We're going to turn this around. His hope is they do turn it around. So he stays the Florida State coach.
I certainly would do it. And I have done versions of this over the years many times.
like the first four or five trips we took across the country,
I paid for all of those.
Yes, you did.
Because I knew it would be good content.
I knew it would help us build the brand of the show.
And I knew it would pay dividends in the future.
Now, when you've finished that and you've paid $6,000 to $8,000,
you go, man, that was a lot of money for us to drive around the country.
But Ryan, the goal is to create a better product for then going forward.
kind of think that's what they're doing just on a much larger level.
So, you know, I got to ask you this.
I know you're going to say, what about Stoops?
Because he has gone on record, and he said that one time.
Well, it used to be you weren't allowed to do it.
Exactly.
And there were a lot of coaches that would say,
I would do this if given the chance.
Yep.
Well, now you can.
So we're coming off a bad season?
So I don't know.
Now you can do it?
I mean, would you do it if you were, like, do you think Stu?
First of all, do you think Stoops would do it?
Well, actually, hold that thought.
Think about it during the break.
Because there are going to be more coaches doing this, like a lot more.
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All right, let's go back to this real quick, Ryan.
Let's assume Stoops, let's leave aside whether he should do it.
That's, I guess, a personal decision.
But let's assume Stoops did give back a million dollars to go to NIL.
Do you think the fans would at all, like it would win them over?
Or do you think it wouldn't matter like it wouldn't change anybody's mind either way?
If I sit here and put my fan hat on and I see my coach after a four and eight season,
after he's already said he would do it, go ahead and do it.
It would resonate with me, yes.
You think it would help his standing.
What about you, Drew?
I think it would help a little bit because,
one of the things I see working against him most is a lot of people want to say nine million
a year, top 10 highest paid coach. Well, if he gives a million back, it's only $8 million a year.
So he's not getting paid as much. And he's at least acknowledging that I didn't live up to
what I'm paid to do in that season. And I'm going to put it back towards helping.
It would be kind of ponying up. Yeah, he would be taking his own words, right, and putting them
into practice. Do you think it would make a difference, though, for the fans? Because the worst would be
to give back a million dollars that doesn't change anybody's minds.
Yeah, that's the worst thing.
I mean, I think it would be, yeah, I think it would build up a lot of goodwill for the fan base,
considering.
I think it would, too.
Yeah, especially if you see maybe other coaches in the SEC, like if Shane Bieber did it.
Well, first of all, apparently Chip Kelly did it, which I did, I guess he's at Ohio State as the
offensive coordinator.
And if you do it, do you do it quietly, like behind the scenes or do you make a production about it?
Well, that's a good question.
Do you go, you know, I'm ponying up, everybody?
I mean, I think you would have to do it publicly.
If you did it privately, nobody would even care.
I will say part of the reason Gundy and Norville did it is it's in the conferences that are not making as much money as the SEC.
So there's probably less reason to do it in the SEC, to be honest.
But it is like an interesting question.
Ed in Michigan.
Go ahead, Ed.
Hey, guys.
Good morning.
So I was thinking out of the two quarterbacks.
in town. Which one do we
would prefer to have?
When you say the two quarterbacks in town, what do you mean?
There's the kid from Duke, Malik Murphy, and then is there another
one here, Drew? Is there another one visiting right now?
Calzada is visiting today.
Who's that? I don't know who that is. Is that from Incarnate Word?
Oh, the incarnate word. He played at A&M. That's where he was
really shunned. For me,
I'd like the Duke kid because he went nine and three.
And so I know that kid can win and I know he can play.
He started his career at Texas.
So for me, I'd like Malik Murphy over it.
But the incarnate word kid, he had success, but it was at a different level.
So go ahead.
All right.
So as for Mark Stoops, the more money he gets back, I would be very happy.
And the more he goes, happier I would get.
So if he made no money, he'd be really happy.
And these cats, everybody trying to come up with a name, you know, these are older cats, you know.
And so I came up with cat daddy's, I like that name.
I'm not calling me.
I appreciate the call.
I'm not calling a 22-year-old kid, my cat daddy.
I'm just not.
I'm just not doing that.
Come on.
I have lines.
I'm not calling a 22-year-old.
I'm not looking at Jackson-Robings to go, hey, cat daddy.
Like, I'm not doing it.
Bill, go ahead, Bill.
Bill.
That's you, Bill.
No, Bill.
Let's go to Joe.
What's up, Joe?
Hey, how's it going, guys?
So, looking at the stats for Kentucky basketball shoots,
I think we're wildly underestimating this team's ceiling from a three-point perspective.
Kobe Bray's career average is 40.
percent you shoot in 53. Lamont Butler's 33 percent for career, but you shoot 48 percent this
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Robinson, which is 33 percent for his career and 30 percent this year. You have to believe
that our team is going to shoot better than 36 percent from three for the year, and they're all
going to improve on those numbers. I think that's a great point. I appreciate the call. Drew,
are you worried at all?
about the fact that outside of Braya and Butler,
the rest of guys really have not shot well from three
since those first three or four games.
I'm not worried, but I can't say that many more times.
It's been, what, six out of seven games now?
They haven't shot it well.
Their percentage wasn't bad against Louisville.
They just didn't take as many as they typically take.
It still seems very uncharacteristic.
Like caller said, the numbers just aren't lining up
with what these guys have done in the past.
So I'm not worried yet, but in three weeks, if it hadn't gotten any better,
I think you can't ignore it any longer.
I mean, it's been a number of games in a row, Ryan, where we've not shot the three well.
I mean, Lamont hit six for six.
But if you took that out, it's been a pretty terrible run of three-point shooting the last few games.
Yeah, I'm still on the boat that the good shooting's coming.
I mean, Otega and Jackson and Andrew Carr, these guys are better shooters than what we've seen.
And so I think it's coming.
I think they're going to have some hot days where they're going to just light it up from
outside. We're still not shooting three as well, and yet we still lead the country and
scoring. That was my thing. Didn't shoot the ball particularly well against Loebel still score 93
points. What happens when you do? You're going to shoot well against Gonzaga. Didn't really shoot well
against, I mean, we've had a bunch of you, you're right. I mean, we're going to, we're going to have
an SEC game where we absolutely murder a team. I don't know who it's going to be. I think that's
coming. But we're going to have some team that we absolutely destroy. I don't kind of like those 90s
Kentucky teams. Yes. Now there's probably going to be a game where we lose by 15 to somebody we
shouldn't because we're ice cold. But we're going to have a team what we absolutely destroy.
By the way, somebody who knows this better than me says that they prefer the incarnate word
quarterback. Zach, what's his name? He led A&M to come back against number one Alabama through like
the game winning touchdown, tied it up. So before he stepped down to FCS, he had a good year at A&M.
What's his name?
Calzada, Calzada.
He's that Calzada.
So his A&M tape is where you want to watch.
Okay.
Well, incarnate word, he took them to the playoffs.
Oh, yeah, crazy numbers there, too.
They'd never been there before.
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if our team ends up in the quarterfinals
or potentially a great run into the semifinals.
Listen, Inside American Soccer,
with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast.
What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.
And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs.
We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.
If we didn't talk ever again, I was funny.
You just understood.
That's how personal it got.
Wow.
Then after that game seven, Marquis come until he's like, you know I love you, dog.
You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just.
basketball.
So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your
podcasts.
