KSR - 2025-01-22- KSR - Hour 2

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Matt and Shannon talk the latest UK sports news and are joined by Jay Williams to talk about his comments on Calipari at Arkansas and Kentucky.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now joined on the phone by ESPN's J. Williams, former Duke basketball player, which is really his most negative quality. but otherwise good. Jay, how are you? What's up, MJ? I saw I caught some, some random strays the other day. Well, you're just throwing, you're just throwing curse bombs on Twitter. What was that about?

No, it was just an F with a whole bunch of stars. Nobody cursed. Okay, well, I guess what fart? Is that what we were saying? All right, so Jay, I think the easiest way to start this is I want to play the clip that's kind of in question. And then I just want you to say what you or what you think, how we should have interpreted what you said, okay?

So here's the clip. We'll play right here. This is what you said, I think, Saturday on the college game day. I mean, the last three games, they've led by nine points or more in the first half. You know, look, this is Arkansas, like, and all the things that you said and Jay Billis said are correct. They have to get tougher, learn how to close out games defensively. You have to be better. Like, you know, every time you're playing, you're in a national spotlight.

And the biggest microphone is Big Blue Nation. Let's keep it a buck. So every time John Caliperi fails, he's going to go viral. Everybody on Big Blue Nation is going to say, you see those offensive lapses that they have? You see that lack of toughness. This is what we experienced for our time here at Big Blue Nation in Kentucky. And it makes life difficult.

And he's the biggest talking point we're going to have, or one of the biggest talking points in this sport. So look, John Caliperi understands that, Seth. It's the life that comes along with the territory. of being Calipari and making that in-conference move and then having that received NIL budget is what comes along with it. He's going to handle it. I think he's going to be okay. It's just going to be a fight. You think it's too much for the way. All right. So there's two parts here. First, the part that sort of seems to say that because of us, we're making Cali Perry's job more difficult. Is that

how you meant it or no? No. I mean, but first off, you know, MJ, how long have you and I know each other? Long time. Long time. If I felt that Big Blue Nation was just the only thing making life difficult, I would have just said it. Do you think I am hesitant at all, just telling people how I feel regardless of whether people hate me or not? I honestly don't care. The only opinions that really matter to me are my wife and my kids and my job. You know, that's number one.

So what did you mean? What did you mean? I mean, exactly what I said. I mean, look, I'm a fan of sports teams. Like, you know, I'm a fan of the New York Giants. You don't think every time I sit there and I, I see Joe Shane with his kid and his kids like draft Jaden Daniels and his dad laughs it off. That doesn't hurt me. I don't feel some type of way about it. That's just a reality of the world that we live.

If you're a Giants fan, Joe Shane is the GM of the Giants. Cal's not the coach here. What do you mean about the fact that we have a microphone? How does that change Cal's job? MJ, it doesn't change his job. I mean, first off, but to act like that's not what really happens. So are you claiming that, Every time Cal does lose, a lot of fans from Big Blue Nation do talk about it on social media. Of course, they do. Yes, of course then. But what does that have to do with him losing? Like the conversation was, why is he not being successful? What do we have to do with that? Well, I didn't say that you guys have anything to do with that. I think you're being overly sensitive towards it. And first of all, I know you don't speak for everybody in Blue Nation. I knew Big Blue Nation is a whole bunch of people. It's not monolithic. my point was, and what I said precisely, was that every time he loses, people in Big Blue Nation let him hear about it.

That's a really big thing. When Mick Cronin loses, other than when he goes viral, does anybody talk about it? No. Okay, but I don't know. Okay. I agree with you. I agree with you. We do talk about it.

We do talk about it. But so what? So what? What does that have to do with how he's performing? It has nothing. to do with how he's performing. It's just the reality of the world that we live in. Right? It's like if you, you guys are the most powerful fan base there is in the country. Oh, thank you. Do you, do you confirm that thought?

Oh, yes. Certainly online, but probably in general. Okay. So within college sports, within college basketball, okay, I will say that. No, no. In college, it's in college basketball. There are some football ones that are like that, too. But college basketball, yes. Of course. So when Big Blue Nation is passionate, about something. Are you stating that you undermine the passion of... I'm not undermining, but again, the conversation, that conversation you all were having was about why this year has gone bad for Cal. I just don't know what that has to do with us. Yeah, but see, this is what happens when you play a clip. Did you hear what Jay Bill has said?

Did you hear like they gave all reasons on why Cal was having a bad year? And then what I did is I said, J.B. and Andrea, you guys are correct. Here's also another point that is really real about it. I don't understand why that feels like Big Blue Nation is being attacked because you guys are powerful. Well, I don't think you are attacking. Here's what I think. And you tell me if I'm wrong. I know.

What I think is this. What I think is this. Hold on MJ. When I jumped on the internet the other day and I hear you talk, I was part of like, I am a Cal apologist. No, no. I don't believe you're a Cal apologist totally. I think Seth is and I've told him that. But let's go to the second part of that clip we played.

You said Cal will take care of. of it, I'm sure. Let me give you a second clip. This is what you said on ESP and on first take when people, after Kentucky lost to Oakland, before Caled left for Arkansas, here were your comments about the Kentucky fans and the job. Go ahead. I just want to say it out loud and very slowly so we can let it all just marinate. John Calipari, the second all-time winning his coach in Kentucky basketball history. has left Kentucky basketball for Arkansas. That's all I'm saying here.

So everybody's going to say, well, you know, this is a great move. Who are y'all going to replace him with? Okay, so somebody added all that stuff. But who are you all going to replace him with? Do you now think, clearly you thought we'd get worse, Arkansas would get better? Do you now think maybe that was incorrect? Yeah, but Matt, I'm okay with being wrong. Yeah, I didn't know.

Okay, so you do think you were wrong. Yeah, for sure. I talk on TV for four hours a day. We get it wrong. We're all humans. I didn't know who Arkansas at the time. I didn't know who Big Blue Nation was going to replace John Caliperi with. Mark Pope has been an incredible replacement.

He's exceeded expectations in his first year. So, yeah, I openly admit. I didn't know who they were going to replace them with. So here's where UK fans get upset, Jay. Here's where they get upset. And it's not just a U. I actually don't. You speak for all UK fans?

No, but I think I speak for a group of them. And a lot of people listening would agree. Not all, but a lot. Here's what I think makes a lot of our fan base man. The national media, that's an example with that clip of you. Seth has many, but there are many others I could give you of people who've said this. They always act like Kentucky fans are the. problem. We ran cow off. That somehow if we don't have cow or if we didn't have Rick or if we didn't

have tubby, name the coach, that this program is going to go in the toilet. And we get lectured about it all the time, about our expectations, about how we need to be reasonable. When our expectations are part of why it's Kentucky, and I think our fan base does not like, at least a lot of them do not like national media members lecturing us on what we should expect and then being wrong in the end. Matt, you know, one thing I'm going to say that your show is really good at is that you guys take sound bites of things and that turns into larger narrative. So what I will say, and you are right in your assessment, just let me confirm this.

You are right in your assessment. But I also would challenge you on the things that people have said. including myself that have gone against the grain on Calipari. Those things never get amplified at each other. Like what? Like, so, like, I've said multiple times during his run, they're like, yo, you've got to win championships. That's what Big Blue Nation expects.

You're not winning championships, the age of one and done. Like, we've had conversations on national TV about, yo, all these one and done's, like that's not working. Yeah, this year may have felt to be a little bit older. Like there are, I said actually on that clip, we've, You played out when Seth cut me off because Seth was talking about, you know, Cal, that line when Seth was like, well, you know, Cal hasn't forgotten how to coach. I literally said, well, there are, you're talking about in-game adjustment, Seth. Yeah, no, you did say that.

I heard you say that. And I heard you say that. I didn't cut the clip just so you know. So that's what. No, I hear. But we're boys. We're talking about. But I do feel like from a national media perspective, all of a sudden, like, everything just gets clipped as if this is what's a national media is.

Okay. But you did say, Jay, I get it. But you did say, and you said it not just that time, there's a couple other times you went on shows. I didn't want to play all of them. But you did sort of take the view of. I don't know who. If Kentucky gets rid of Cal, if Kentucky gets rid of Cal,

they will be worse off. And that's. No, no, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, I challenge you. Find a clip where I say they will be worse off. Okay. This is where we're really good at media. All right, maybe there. Okay.

So you thought, so when you say, who are you going to get. Matt, Matt, Matt, I know. Matt, this is your show. Matt, you talk for four hours. Let me come on your show and be a guest, brother. I do too, but I would never work four hours. Yeah, go ahead. That's really smart.

I did never on any show come off and say they will be worse. My question exactly was, who would they replace him with? Now, I asked the question. I was wrong. But this is the type of stuff I'm talking about, Matt. Like, that's called sensationalism and you're good at it. I never said they were going to be worse off. I never put down Bebian Nation in that degree.

Fair enough. If you didn't think they were going to be worse, then I trust you. I'm not saying you didn't. I feel like I saw a clip where you said that, but I could be wrong. But you did say who either price and you leaned into the camera kind of like, come on now, who are you all going to get? Would you agree that Cala Perry in the last five years at Kentucky and then of course this year that there has been a steady and precipitous decline?

Factual, yes. would agree. And why do you think that's happened? I think, well, first off, I think the challenge with the AD calling the bluff is a real thing at Kentucky. I think that. But it's not the AD's fault. It's not the AD's fault. But what do you mean it's the 80s challenge? But, but Matt, you are really good at chiming in over the top of something and then reclaiming what I said. That's not what I said. I said that the AD called his bluff and I thought it was the right thing. Like, like, I never said that it was the AD's fault. So I'm seeing a pattern here of you doing that multiple times. And I don't know if it's to try to put me in a corner to react, but that's not what I'm saying.

But when I ask you, why is it a precipitous decline? The first answer is the AD. Why is it Cal? What responsibility does John Cala Perry have? He has all the responsibility. 100% of it. It is John Caliperi. Like, I'm not living in the world of making excuses. I never said, I'm not making excuses for Cali. I mean, that comes along with the territory being John Caliperi and missing the boat sometimes with the way things, rhythms and, you know, rotations and how they're established. Like, I'm not calling in to butcher John Caliperi.

He is no longer the head coach of Kentucky basketball. He has his own problems at Arkansas. He made that decision. That's on him. I think Kentucky has gotten better. I think Mark Pope brings in a new energy. I think what he's done with all these transfer in the transfer portal, he's got these guys to buy in,

which is significantly difficult to do in today's age. And I'm giving all the praise and credit to Kentucky basketball for it. They deserve it. Okay. Do you, and I believe that, and let me just say, I think in general, you are one of the better announcers towards the Big Blue Nation. I actually get for someone who didn't go here,

I actually give you credit for that. But can you see how Kentucky fans would feel? I'm of the belief that the college basketball announcing community is low to criticize coaches. Even you right there said, I'm not here to bury on Calipari. I don't see that in other sports. You guys protect coaches,

but you will, not you personally. Once I just want to make, I just want to clarify. again, Matt, then you can finish your point. This is not a monolithic thing. Like, it's not you guys. Okay. Well, you said at the end of your comments.

Well, you should. You go after Mick Cronin. I've gone after Rick Petino. I'm going after other coaches. So why won't you say that Cal has, why don't you, I don't say go after because that makes it sound like it's personal. But why won't these guys, you included, say, John Cala Perry is not the same coach he was in 2019 and not in the sentence with, but he was.

we'll turn it around. What evidence do we have of that? There's no evidence that he won't either. Is that fair? Well, six straight years of, six straight years of winning one NCAA tournament game. Okay. I mean, but like once again, like I've gone on national TV and like, do you want me to say that I think Cal has lost it? I'm going to wait to see how this year pans out. And this year pans out in this first year, then I would have to be critical. I mean, I did not come into the season expect. Arkansas to be at the bottom of the SEC, even though it's the best conference in a nation at all. I think what we're seeing right now from Arkansas is not at the level Arkansas basketball needs to be at flat, period. Like nobody's making excuses about that. It's been bad.

It's been horrifically bad thus far in SEC. Do you, and I'll finish with this, because you have been very nice to come on here. And I do, Jay, I don't want you to think I'm not trying to. You and I are boys. We're just in a little bit of an intellectual spa right now. I love it. I do too, which is why I like you that you will do this. Agree or disagree with this statement. Cal has friends in the media,

and by the way, so do a lot of coaches. That they are thus, whereas like Mick Cronin is not friends with the media, so it's easier to attack him. Because Cal is friends with a lot of these guys, they have been overlooking and protecting consistent, problems for a long period of time and not calling it out. And thus, you know, when people do, they are then painted as being unreasonable. Do you agree or disagree with that? Can we, can we just, well, I disagree with that. Okay. But can we call it you, you, you are

referring to Seth? No, no, it's not just Seth. It's not just Seth. Then let me know who else are you referring to. Well, I mean, honestly, honestly, Jay, respectfully, I would, also say you because you said that I've been you just said five minutes ago that I have been pro BBM out of most you are pro B B B B B B BN but you also you also though when you said and I I'll leave I don't I'll leave it at this when you looked into the camera when you looked into the camera on first take when you looked into the camera on first take and said and who are you going to get you know what that was. You know what you meant by that. Okay. So let's just, let's just talk about my character for a second, because that seems to be in question with you and me being critical on coaches. Do you think I,

do you think I met, let's be honest about like when I go to Big Blue Nation, if I get booed, do you think I care? No, I think you love it because it's good for your brand. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, if you think if I get cheered, do I care? Either way. I think you like, everybody likes to get cheer. Yeah, but I've been, I've been, I've played against Kentucky before. I've been booed. You were good in that game, too. You were way too good. It makes me mad. How good you were in that Keith Boghens is my boy. That goes way back for us. That was the Rashad Karuth game where he barked at you all. I wanted to, yeah, now you're bringing me back. I don't want to bring out that, Jay. But like, so when Grayson, and I'm only going to give this example because I say how

I feel. And for some reason, on this show with you right now, you are interpreting my years of work, even though you haven't heard all the things I've said, because we have two clips that I don't say anything critical of Tao. I don't use the word attack. You can be critical, right? I criticize my own coach. Coach K, with Grayson Allen. I was not allowed to go to practices at Duke. I think if anything holds warrant to my character and how fair and objective I am to certain things. And I'm not saying that your comment isn't right. A lot of coaches have friends.

Cal has a lot of friends. He's very personable. Maybe that has inhibited some people of saying what's really been going on. But if I've been able to criticize my own head coach a place where my jersey hangs and I go back to all the time because I have a home and Durham, let's not question my objectivity. Now, I might go into things sometimes. I was wrong about who you guys.

we're going to get. I was wrong about that. Okay. And that's, I appreciate you saying that. I appreciate you saying that. And ultimately, we all make mistakes. If I had a list of all the things I said that was wrong, we'd be here all day. I just like when people sort of own up to it. And you did. And that's all you can ask. And by the way, you've always been nice to me and I appreciate it. And I look forward to talking to you again soon. Are you guys going to be in Lexington at all during this? I mean, we better be in Lexington. I mean, I don't know what I know what our schedule. I don't know if Seth will get the greatest reception when you come just for the wreck.

By the way, if it doesn't, then I'm going to have the camera on and it's going to be in live camera action because you need to come on to show there. Oh, I'd listen. I'd love to come on. I'd love to come on. Hey, Jay, thank you very much for taking the time and doing this and coming in. I hope you're doing well. You got it, man.

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He'd be at the table, with me? I love it. I thought it was very entertaining. Yeah, I was watching you. You smiled the whole time. So what were your thoughts on it? Well, you sensationalizing journalists. I think that's what he said.

You're very good at sensational. sensationalizing everything. You know, I felt like at first you guys were kind of talking in circles. I was a little confused by some of the things that he said. But, you know, I know he said a lot of things that we as Kentucky fans don't love. But I love Jay Williams. I actually do. I do too.

I actually really like him a lot. And the only part that where he'd meet at all is when he said attacking his character. I'm not attacking his character at all. I think he's like a good dude. I think these people, it's sort of like, I think these people sort of, they say things and they say them in the moment and then you say it. And then it's like when you bring up later, now to his credit, he said I was wrong. Yeah.

But there is certainly always been an implication that BBN is a little crazy. And that was my point. When he leaned in and said, who you going to get, we know what he meant, which is they're not going to be as good. And I wish he'd just own that. And he did and said that he was, that he was. wrong and that's good. And if we're being honest, I said that myself for a long time. Who are we going to get

any better? I'm glad though he came on. He owned it. Like you said, he acknowledged he was wrong and he's right about another thing. I mean, when you're on the air for that long for four hours a day. You're going to say stuff. You've got to have a take and sometimes that take's going to be really wrong. And I don't think people

do give enough leeway for that. Yeah. First of all, I do think he likes Big Blue nation. I also think though, notice even here, he's like, they still won't say. Like, that may be, I mean, first question, why do you think Kyle's performing like this? He brings up the AD. Yeah. Yeah, which I don't know what that has to do with him. Well, when he, I don't think it was Jay, but it was somebody else that when, when the thing separated, the first comment was, well, the AD's not giving him the support. Well, I can tell you that was like what Cala Perry was telling.

everyone was happening. So Mitch Barnhart doesn't call those people, so they're not going to get his side of it, right? But the one thing I like about, well, I like many things about Jay, but he will always be entertaining. And he doesn't take any of the disagreements personally. He's already texted me the fire emoji multiple times. So I know he is very happy about the thing. It takes a big person to come on and go out of each other like that and be combative on the air and still not take it personally. And that's what I like. people who will go at it and not take it personal, which I do really like about him. All right.

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Here's Matt Jones. Welcome back, Tegi Sports Radio. Text machine lighting up, Shannon. Oh, yeah. That's what you like to see, right? It seems like the vast majority of you were really entertained by the interview. I'll give you a couple comments both ways. One person was right goes, Matt, you talked over him like you tend to do.

I don't know why you do that. You should let people answer. I did talk over him maybe slightly more than I wanted to, but I also will say people want you to get to the heart of questions and you can't do that unless you talk over people because if you just let people like jays jays could be a politician right like he like he's good at like re-deflecting and so you have to stay on that um so but yes i mean i certainly do uh talk over people because you're trying to make a show and get him to answer the question which to his credit i think he did another person writes i like jay but he's acting like he didn't mean what he meant which was we wouldn't be as

good without cow as we ended up being. Yeah, and he finally said that. But that was what he meant by that comment. At first, we played that clip. He goes, I didn't mean that. And then, like, a minute later, he goes, I meant exactly what I said. That's what I was like, well, wait a minute, that's confusing. I don't understand what he's saying then.

Yeah. So, you know, but I do think, like I said, I think he's great. And I thought if there was a piece of news that came out of that, is that he was banned from Duke's practices. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. I don't know that that's ever even been said that publicly. I don't know that that's ever even been said before.

I would think, Shannon, I'm not sure that that has ever been said before, do you? Probably not. I don't know, like, in what context or what show he would say that on. I don't, yeah, I don't know that. I don't think you just tweet that out. Everybody on band. I don't, I don't. But that is really interesting because, you know, he and Coach Kay, I think always did have, I think, I'm sure he, I know, I know he really, I

respects Coach K, but they did have a little bit of a tense relationship in some of his years afterwards, probably based on television. I think Jay Billis and Coach K have had that as well. That's a tough thing for somebody who played, grant you, if you played for a coach to have to then talk about them, Shannon, that would be really, really hard. Yep, put you in a tough situation, kind of like we were talking about earlier being friends with somebody and then you have to go and be critical of them. It can't be easy. He was, dude, if you're just talking about college basketball players. He is one of the best of my lifetime.

Like I'm trying to think who are the best college, just college only players of my lifetime. I'm going to start in like 1990 because I don't know the 80s guys well enough, like your Patrick Ewing's, although they were great. Yeah. I hate to say it, but Leitner is one of them. Anthony Davis is one of them.

Kevin Durant. is one of them. Trey Young at that year at Oklahoma was insane. John Wall, Jay Williams. Jay Williams was a beast

in college. Shane Battier was really, really good in college. I'm trying to think about a Yukon guy. Emeka Okofor was a great college player. Like a great college player. Who am I missing? in here.

If you're just talking about dudes that you were like, oh, wait a way. Well, first of all, the early 90s. Larry Johnson at UNLV. Shack is great. That's a great one. Chris Weber at Michigan and Leitner and Mashburn. Those five dudes I just mentioned, Shannon, they all played at the same time. Those five guys.

That's a pretty good list. That's a pretty amazing list. sitting here also thinking about Jerry Stackhouse when he was at North Carolina was a dude. As much as I hate to say it, though, the best college player of my lifetime, at least 1990 on, is probably Christian Leitner. It's painful to say, huh? I mean, would you say somebody else? I mean, part of it is he played four years. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Won two titles. And the thing about that Kentucky game, dude, he went 10 for 10 from the field and 10 for 10 from the line. And if he misses one of those shots, Shannon, we win. Right. Yeah, it's tough to pick. That's a tough argument to say that somebody was better than later.

Jay was up there. Bradley, go ahead, Bradley. Hey, good morning. I thought it was important to point out to that. that for Kentucky fans, after the last five years that we've had with Cahill Perry, and I'm not rooting for him to fail at all. I've been, I was appreciative of what he did while he was there. But this year, him not doing so well,

and us exceeding expectations has been kind of cathartic as a Kentucky fan, I believe. Yes. Now, it won't be as cathartic if we lose in a week and a half. It would be pretty uncathart. That would be terrible. But for right now, I think you're right. Appreciate the call. because I think all right so I was critiquing Jay in the national media about what they were going to say

Shannon there was a part of all of us that was still nervous it would work out right with pope absolutely yes or just that like cow might go there and go to the final four this year yep wasn't there a part of us that was I'll admit there was a little part of me that was like oh what if he goes there and kills none of us thought he was going to go and have the type of season he's having right now I didn't think there was any scenario because, I mean, he took the roster that you had at Kentucky at a few freshmen that were going to come to Kentucky. And the thing you have to remember is that would have been our roster here. Yep, that would have been this team.

What would this place have been like if we were 0 and 5? They would have been ready to fire them midseason. I mean, a lot of things ready to fire them, you know, last year. Can you imagine how toxic this place would have been if we were 0. 5? Oh, my goodness. Brandon, go ahead, Brandon. Yeah, I was just wondering what the chances.

you think of Kentucky making it to a final four within like the next five years would be high very high in the next five years yeah i would say yeah 80 80 percent to make a final four in the next five years yeah because they've got a shot to make one this year they got a shot so if you're telling me i think every team we have in the in the future will be as talented if not more than this one so yeah I think for sure. Okay, thanks. Appreciate the call. Do you agree with that?

Yeah, I mean, I know that Pope hasn't won an NCAA tournament game, but he's never had a roster and been at Kentucky and had the opportunity. It's a little bit different when you're at BYU versus at Kentucky. So, yeah, I mean, I think that he's got a legit chance. Blake Griffin? That's a good one. Yeah. People forget how good Blake Griffin was at Oklahoma.

Zion? Yeah. It's easy to think about Zion being, you know, what he is now. But, dude, he was, he had some games at Duke where it was just insane what he could do. Steph Curry in the tournament that last year. In the tournament, but I don't remember watching him a ton in the regular season. He wasn't really on anybody's radar until the tournament. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if, I'm sure he was on some people's radar.

That was a time I wasn't following college basketball. I mean, I was doing the blob, but I was really into Kentucky. But in the tournament, that tournament run is, is legendary. David, go ahead, David. Hey, Hey, Matt. Hey, David, how are you? Thank you, sir.

I'm doing a sign on, and I was going to, I was going to remind you to remind Jay that Tashon did not foul him in that last plate in that 2001. That was a great game. In New Jersey, I was in law school that year. I wanted him to win so much, David, and we lost, and that was Rashad Kroof barking at the thing.

and that was a heck of a game. He didn't want to talk about that, did he must not like Rashad Kruth. He was quick to change the subject on that one. But go ahead, David. Yeah, I was wondering about if you could add a calpire to this year's team, not a former calpire, what would it be? I think what this year's team could really use. Well, I appreciate the call.

Well, I would, of course, Shannon had Anthony Davis. That was my first stop. I would add Anthony Davis to any team, but especially this team. You put these shooters around Anthony Davis, forget it. We're not losing a game. That's it. I mean, you don't need to add any more shooters. You've already got a roster built around that.

You need somebody inside that's just a great defender. That's Anthony Davis. So Anthony Davis is the answer, even like a Willie Colley Stott. Because Willie was a good passer, and he was at that high post thing. like I think that would work. So I'd want number one a rim protector and the number two I'd want a really good player who was really good on defense

but could still shoot out on the perimeter. So like a case in Wallace or something like that. I'll give you one more now. He may clog the lane and may change things a little bit but how would you not want a guy that can get you 20 rebounds a night

and kick it back out for another three in Oscar shootback? Yeah, I don't know though. I mean Oscar would help obviously. He would fix the rebounds. But I don't know about the clog in the lane because this is still a group that needs space. So I don't know. But Anthony Davis is going to be the answer most of the time.

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Matt Davis is who you're trying to give. Willie does this song all the time now. Yeah. Like I've seen him twice in the last couple of years. years and he does it every time. People laugh. And people are laughing him with this one, but this dude wrote it like he believed it. Willie deserves it. If anybody deserves to cover it. What is the line he has? They like to call me something. And then he goes, that must mean

that I look great in my tight blue jeans. I can't remember. He uses some large word. I can't remember. Club Blue is the official fundraising partner of the University of Kentucky. All right. Listen. Everybody focus. because you're going to hear this. Club Blue is giving away two tickets to Kentucky, Arkansas. Wow. Pretty good. Yeah.

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Some other guys who were amazing in college. This was a great one. Michael Beasley. Oh, yeah. Kansas State, right? Yeah. Dude, he, if you, they weren't a very good team, but he would, I think he, I think he average like 26 and 13 for the year.

Yeah. He was crazy. I'll tell you another one that was a lot better than you remember, Tyler Hansborough. Tyler Hansborough in college was insane. Joe Kim Noah in college was insane. Tim Duncan, both in college and in the NBA, was insane. Carmelow. Of course.

A.D., along with AD, really the only freshman to sort of carry a team to a title. I like all these answers. It's good stuff. CJ, what's up, CJ? Can we get these talking heads on ESPN

to just shut up? Because if the roles were reversed, do you think they wouldn't be killing us? They would be absolutely carrying into BPN daily. First of all, that's a great point that I wish I'd made in the conversation because I don't think you could ask people on TV not to talk or it would be hard to do their job.

But you're right. If Cal was good and we were 0-5, forget it. Right, Shannon? Oh, yeah. Forget it. They would have been like, yep, see what you did. You ran off a Hall of Fame coach and this is what you got.

You're exactly right, CJ. We would have never heard the end of it if the rolls were revealed. Yeah, and also, cow stinks. I'm glad he's gone. Appreciate the call. No, I mean, I like, you remember Seth said something like, just worry about your tea. Do you not think Seth Greenberg would be dancing on our graves?

Of course he would. If we were 0 and 5. You know he would have. He's a cow guy. He loves cows. You know they would. That's a really good, a really, really good point. Randall, go ahead, Randall.

Hey, man. I was going to say that. I believe that you said it earlier, Coach Cow, and the brand of Kentucky and the Wildcats is just better. You know, it makes players and coaches better. And if Cal and the players were at Kentucky, I think, you know, their record may be even a little, you know, look a little bit different.

But in the future, for like the players we have now, they are better, you know, than they were at other players. as they were because it's the brand itself. I firmly believe that. I do. Yeah, I mean, you, and I appreciate the call. A coach can succeed and not be here, obviously, but if you come here, you will be better. You will be better.

In the other respect, if you come here and go somewhere else, you're going to be worse. More than likely. It doesn't mean you can't be successful, but you won't be as successful as you would be here. So a guy like Danny Hurley has won two straight titles, so it would be hard to be more successful than that. But one thing he could have done at UK is had all of his games on ESPN,

and he would be even more well known than he is now. Now, Shannon, that might not have worked well, considering his temper. But like this is, you have to have a lot of talent to get here. but then this takes that talent and takes you to where it's like, oh, wow. You know, players are always going to want to come to Kentucky, just because it's Kentucky. You've got to have talent to do the Super Bowl halftime show. But then once you do the Super Bowl halftime show, then you're on a new level.

Same thing here, Duke, Carolina. What's interesting about those three jobs, though, is they all went to coaches who, had never won an NCAA tournament game when they took them. That's very unique. Mike, got about a minute. Go ahead, Mike. You badmouted about his song, that's Mac Davis, man. Yeah, what we played?

I'm not badmathan. I like it. I like it. It's just different. He was a cool dude, you know, movie actor, all this. You mentioned something about, I don't know, about a couple of weeks ago, you were talking about the little spat between, between Dick Gabriel and Cameron Mills.

Dick, uh, Dave Baker. They're back forth about, yeah, about, or well, yeah, whichever one. But I agree with Cameron Mills. If you watch, if you've ever watched that game, you watch the end of it, you see, you see that play. Leitner, he didn't just step on a mean New Timberlake. He actually stomped right on his chest. and the hot day was there was a referee standing like five foot away looking at it

and never done nothing. Oh, you're right. I appreciate the call. Poor Minu Timberlake, how'd you like to only be known in life of the guy who got stepped on? That's your legacy. Think about that. Like every single person at a certain age, if you say Aminu Timberlake, what are they going to say? Yep.

If you bring up his name, you're talking about that play. I mean, poor guy. You spend your whole life being the guy who got stepped on. That would just stink. That would just stink. That's like the worst way to be remembered. being stepped on. He probably needs some cornbread hemp to help him rest and relax it tonight.

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