KSR - 2025-05-28- KSR - Hour 1

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

Matt, Ryan, Drew, and Shannon talk Otega Oweh's Decision Day, UK Football, and Mid-City Mall controversy. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:42 It is Kentucky Sports Radio Wednesday, May the 28th. I'm Matt Jones here on Wingsday in Lexington, Kentucky. A little overcast, cloudy day, but we are here at the KS Bar and Grill. Love to have you join us, Dollar Wings all day and night. had a big wings day last week. Bring it out again today. We are here today and tomorrow, if you're that. And then Friday is the KSR Golf Scramble.
Starting point is 00:03:07 You can give us a shout to Clark's Pump and Shop phone line. 859-2802287. A Vision Auto Glass text machine is 772-744-5-254. In this edition, sponsored by the T.J. Smith, Law, you call T.J. Hill Make them pay. KSR Golf Scramble, Drew. I just found out yesterday, 46 teams over two courses. Be the most we've ever had.
Starting point is 00:03:25 We've never had more than, like, 34, 46 teams, so they're going to be like almost 200 people out there at the golf course. It did occur to me. Ryan Lemon can't putt on both courses. So we may have to make Mario or somebody a putter because we don't, we're not going to have that. So Ryan will only be able to pick one. I heard you're on the big blue course and I'm on the Wildcat course. Well, I'll remind everyone I am the defending champion and I have three-fourths of my squad back.
Starting point is 00:03:53 So these 200 people will be competing for second. Yeah, I think it's 22 on one course, 24 on the other, and I'm told that on both courses there's a lot of alcohol, like a lot. I saw some in the office yesterday over there collecting it. Yeah, there's a lot. We ended up having a lot of alcohol companies sponsor holes, and just so everybody pace yourself. It's a long day. I've been in the clubhouse as those things end. Just, you know, they say slow and steady wins the race.
Starting point is 00:04:26 I think you just need to keep that in mind. Well, I will be Ubering to the show on Friday. I always play it safe because I will be partaking, but I've already arranged to have a day out there. All right, so today, for me, I think there are two big stories, and I want to get to both of them, but before we do that, two quick things. First of all, do you know what I'm doing tonight? This is one of those things where, you know, people get on me for various stuff,
Starting point is 00:04:51 but they don't necessarily see some of these things like I'm doing tonight. Do you know what I'm doing tonight? I hear it involves McCreary County. I'm driving to either Pine Knot or Stearns. I don't know which one. Don't know yet. It's on the map for the McCreary County Girls' Middle and High School basketball banquet. It sounds like something Ryan would do.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Yeah, it is. But you know what? When it's Easter Kentucky, they pull it my strings. So I'm driving down there. They asked me to come. pasta dinner. Oh, nice. That's why you're going. It's a pasta dinner. You know, McCreary County's known for his pasta. I didn't realize that. It is. They say you go to Bologna in Italy or Stearns, and I'm going down there and I'm looking forward to it, but I'm getting
Starting point is 00:05:40 my car and going to McCreary County and then turn around and coming right back. So there you go. I can give you a couple of my jokes if you want to use those tonight. You mean like speaking jokes? Yeah, the John Caliperi Room of Full Time Out joke. That's always a Yeah, I don't need your jokes. I'm more of an improv comic when it comes to, you know, I'm just going to tell these people, follow your dreams, right? Now, is McCurry County, was that what we used to do the show on the library? Was that McCurry County? Well, no, we, yes, actually, we did the show where the horse walked by from McCree County Library.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Yes. It's also where the Jesus Gym is, where every weight is named for a biblical figure. Oh, I haven't heard of that one. You haven't heard of that? I don't think that doesn't sound familiar. It'd be like Corinthians, you know, barbells. Okay. No, I'm not kidding.
Starting point is 00:06:34 We played with the Ramele Bradley-Joe Crawford basketball tour. We played at the Jesus Gym in McCreary County. That was the game where Matt Heisenbottle couldn't come. And so my friend, the Turkey Hunter, just played and said he was Matt Heisenbottle, and no one noticed. Nope. Gave autographs after the game. He literally signed Matt Heisenbuttal autographs, Shannon, and no one knew what Matt Heisenbottle looked like. And so he signed them all the whole time.
Starting point is 00:07:04 And the thing is, that may sound bad, but everybody got to thought they got to be Matt Heisbutter. That's true, yes. So why wouldn't? Why wouldn't you? You're breaking kids' hearts right now hearing this for the first time. Wait a minute. That was not great. He said.
Starting point is 00:07:15 That was 2009, or eight. So I think those people are probably all adults at this point. Do you ever sign any Dave Fleming autographs? Okay, you don't. You don't need to say those things. I have a seat there, folks. So anyway, I'm doing that tonight. Good luck tonight.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Also, I told a story on the podcast yesterday, which I'll talk more about that podcast later, but I want to retell it on the air here because I meant to complain about this on the air, and I didn't get a chance. And I told this on the podcast with Drew yesterday, and I want to see Shannon, if you and Ryan think this is outrageous as I do. Okay, let's hear it. All right. In Louisville, you. You know I live in the Highlands.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Yes. And you know next to me is the Mid-City Mall. People in Louisville know what the Mid-City Mall is. The rest of the state might not. The Mid-City Mall is like a mall, but I use that term, Shannon, very loosely. Right. It has a theater in it. It's more like a strip mall, but it is inside.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Everything's inside. There are a couple really nice things. There's a grocery store, and there's a cool, like, movie theater. But it's, Shannon, you would agree. broken down, kind of dilapidated. Sure. It was built in the 70s. Probably needs to be replaced.
Starting point is 00:08:29 You can tell it was built in the 70s by looking at it. Yeah, it's a 70s building. I can picture it right now. It's time to kind of, it's because you've been to my house many times, so you know what this building is. I don't know which one it is. It's the one mall next to me. You know how there's all houses and then there's a mall?
Starting point is 00:08:45 It's the mall. Next to skyline. Next to skyline. The back door bar that I've taken you to before, that's in mid-s, okay, thank you very much for your help. All right, so anyway. It's the concussion from the trash. There used to be a bar there.
Starting point is 00:08:59 It closed. Okay. Long story short, they're talking about replacing it, and the big question is, what do you put? And there's a developer that's come up with the idea. Let's put a six-story building up, retail on the first floor, housing the other six, five. Now, I don't have a strong view about this. My view, though, is people always complain about the cost of housing. if you want more housing, you know what you've got to do?
Starting point is 00:09:23 You got to build housing. Like you can't complain about the cost of housing and not build more housing. It'll be weird to have a six-story building in the highlands. But, Shannon, you know what? Progress, right? We've got to move forward in this world. As long as it's not pickleball, I'm good. Well, that was going to be my suggestion.
Starting point is 00:09:38 No. No pickleball. If I had to listen to that stupid, muck, burk, mirk. Would you move? Yes, I would move. If they put pickleball there, I'm out. I've lived there for 17 years. I'm out.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Oh, that's great. So anyway, they had a town hall meeting about it. All right. I didn't even know about it. Now, you could make a strong argument. There's not one person in that neighborhood whose house will be more affected by this than me. Would you agree, Drew?
Starting point is 00:10:06 Shannon, would you agree? You know where it is. Oh, yeah. Like, whose house is going to be more affected than mine? I'm right there on it. Yep. No one even told me there was a meeting. Like literally didn't even get noticed.
Starting point is 00:10:17 But you know what? It's fine. I wouldn't have gone anyway. You just want to be invited. It's your move. It's like a party. I don't want to go. Just invite me. But I didn't know. But what I did see was a news story about the meeting. They had a news story. They showed the people complaining. A lot of people in our neighborhood don't want it. They're like, it'll be an eyesore. It'll bring too many people here. It'll be, you know, you know how people are. They just, they get upset.
Starting point is 00:10:42 But here's the part of the story that bothered me. They were like, one concerned citizen is working. that with a six-story building, people will be able to look down into their yard. And they show this woman standing there complaining in front of the yard. And then I realized, it's my house. Really? She's standing in my yard. Really?
Starting point is 00:11:08 Pointing to what people could see, but it's my house. She doesn't live there. Where does she live? I don't know. But I know where she doesn't. doesn't live my house. I think I know where she lives and she's down the block and it won't affect her. But yet, Shannon, she stole my standing to act like this was her house. Well, she's being your voice. She knew you wouldn't show up. I don't want her to be my voice. She's in my yard acting like
Starting point is 00:11:37 it's her house. So she's using for her agenda. She's using my house. And I talked about it yesterday on the podcast and I'm getting more angry thinking about it because what if I'm for it Shannon? I don't know if I am or not. But what if I'm for it and she's acting like it's my house? Well, I think we've solved the mystery. She was in charge of inviting you to the meeting. She didn't invite you because her poll plan was to speak for me.
Starting point is 00:12:06 I think she does. That was her plan. Drew, you wondered if maybe she was living in my yard and I just didn't know. I think maybe you didn't know she was going to her time. Maybe in that car? Is that car still back there? She was living in the back seat? When's the last time you checked?
Starting point is 00:12:22 14 years ago. That car has not been opened in 14 years. Do you worry a little bit about people being able to, you know, peeping Tom's in the Highlands, they're everywhere, spying on you in your backyard? What am I doing? You're like around on your witty-tides? You mow with your shirt off, don't you? I do walk around in a banana hammock, but you know what?
Starting point is 00:12:39 If I have to stop that for progress for the community? Do you have blinds, curtains? I do. I do now. I didn't for a few years, but I do now. But don't you feel like that's kind of rude to stand in my yard and complain about something where you don't even live there? I think she was your voice. She thought maybe she could do it better. I don't agree with her. You say it's rude. I think it's kind of genius on her part. Yeah. See, now you can't lay back there in sunbathe in your backyard because you get people looking down on you? Get your golf clubbed out, takes back to swing.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Maybe I have a boyer and want them to be there. I think they knocked on your door for an interview. You weren't home, and she sees the opportunity. People love being on the local news complaining about things. I think she just stepped into your spot. People do love to be on the local news. Well, so I don't know who this woman is. I think I know where she lives, and she might get a sternly stay out of my yard.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Let's go do the radio show in her yard. We'll take the media to her. You're now going to get off my lawn phase. I love it. It's not about get off my lawn phase. It's just. What do you think they'll have? having decision made.
Starting point is 00:13:46 I think they're having another town hall in like a week. Are you going to that one? Of course not. I'm not going to anything. It's let them do what they, like I don't care. As long as it's not pickleball. Now, if I hear it's pickleball, I'll go to that meeting. Step in.
Starting point is 00:13:58 To complain. Now, Otega Oway. You know, it's the decision has to be done by midnight. And most other people have made their decision. There's only like a couple people left to make their decision. Are you at all worried? Drew, that it's, we're now 14 hours away and we don't know. I mean, am I going to be coming back from McCurry County, hitting refresh?
Starting point is 00:14:23 Like, what's happening? I've been zero percent worried, and I'm even less than zero percent worried now that Darrell Byrd's down in Destin, and Pope told him last night, O'A has a workout today. So I wouldn't blame him at all to get one more workout in and then announce. Like I said this all along, he should go to the final minute if there's something he could do in the process. Because if he comes back, campus is just empty. What's he going to do? Might as well just take these free trips.
Starting point is 00:14:46 So you take the news of the other workout as a positive? See, I would have taken it at least a little bit. I just haven't. I mean, the mock drafts don't know everything, but I have not seen anything that indicates he's going to get picked where he wants to get picked. Maybe behind the scenes he's hearing that, but I haven't seen a peep of that.
Starting point is 00:15:02 So I just see it as why not get another job interview? Eventually he's going to want to get hired by one of these organizations. If they're going to fly you out today, sure, what else are you going to do? Come sitting in an empty Lexington where the team's not even here. I would take it to the final minute. if he has the opportunity. Yeah, if that's the case, he's got to work out with somebody, maybe just getting good with this team for next year.
Starting point is 00:15:22 So I can see him wanting to do that. So you still have no worry? I really don't. Okay. I didn't know about this workout. I thought he would do it yesterday when everybody else was doing Alex Condon and all these SEC guys, a lot of games we're pulling out. The only two people left are what, the kid from RJ Lewis from St. John's in O way,
Starting point is 00:15:40 and I think R.J. Lewis actually has a decision to make. So, I mean, let's say he knows he's coming back, but the Lakers call, we want to fly out here on Wednesday. Absolutely, you should go. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that's where he is. But why would they fly him unless they think he might stay in? I mean, they're all just going through this.
Starting point is 00:15:57 They know next year he'll be a candidate. I mean, they're all hosting visits up until the last minute. All right, I'm going to, you know. It sounds like you're getting a little worried. Well, no, I just, I contacted my person that is my person on these sort of issues. and I said, do we know what time this is going to be, thinking I was going to get something like, oh, it's later today, don't worry about it, or maybe it'll be doing it. And the answer was just like, I don't know, not sure.
Starting point is 00:16:24 And that makes me just a little worried. Like, do people, you know. I think he would have to really hate school to just take that gamble of the NBA, knowing what's right on the table, just come pick it up. It's a lot of money, right? It's a lot of money. That's the thing for me. If you're in his shoes, it seems to be a pretty easy decision.
Starting point is 00:16:42 It's a lot of money. So that's the one thing I would say is at the end of the day, and most decisions in life, you say follow the money. It's a lot of money for him to come back. If it stayed, that's almost like half of what he would get here, wouldn't it be? But you might get that Chris Livingston thing where he had the four-year deal and it locked it up. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Don't get me wrong. I still think he's coming back, but I'm surprised we're sitting here waiting until the last hour. I'm probably putting too much stock in the mock drafts, but if he were like projected fringe second round, like at the top of the second round, then I'd be a little more worried, but I just haven't seen anything suggesting that he's going to be picked because he wants to be a first round pick.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Mark Stoops made a decision yesterday that... That's a decision. Yeah, I don't know. We'll talk about it right after this. This is KSR. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying,
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Starting point is 00:21:43 It doesn't seem like a lot of people are, but are you confident he's going to be back? These guys are. I guess I'm the only one just a little bit like he is the last day. But, you know, maybe he'll do it during the show. By the time you listen to this on podcast, maybe it's already happened. It's true. I go back to Pope said he would not talk to you to his roster was finalized. He did.
Starting point is 00:22:05 So I feel like him going on. A lot of times they break the news at 1205. That's kind of a thing that does happen a lot. Yeah. So the thing, though, with his workout today, I said the Lakers, I have no clue where he is, but if he is on the West Coast, it might end up being late just because that, you know, he's going to go through the workout. Remember when we were all hitting refresh for Hamadu Diallo into the night?
Starting point is 00:22:25 That wasn't a workout. Didn't he just forget? He forgot to send in his papers, yeah, yeah. I think Jackson Robinson worked out on the last day last year, too. All right. So Mark Stoops and UK give a year extension. So a lot of assistant coach are generally on a one-year contract. Coordinators tend to be on a two-year.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Will Wolford had one year left on his contract. They've now extended it to two years left on his contract, and they gave him a $100,000 raise, the offensive line coach. This is after a year where the offensive line was absolutely horrendous. and our quarterback by the end of the year could barely walk and quit football because he got beat up so much. You know, we all had misgivings about Will Wolford being hired. Eric. Yeah, and him too.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Both of them. I didn't. See, I was hoping we got Will. You're saying we got Eric. We got Eric. Okay. So Eric Wolfford, I wasn't pleased with this news. What about you all?
Starting point is 00:23:29 I didn't see anyone that was pleased. It's pretty universal. When Luckett put it out, and he had a little scoop. When I saw it, I was like, oh, this is not going to be received well. I mean, I really think he did a good job loading up for this next year, and the line will be better. But give him the raise a year from now if that pans out. How do you give him a raise when, as you said, he got a quarterback retired, and one of his linemen were buying hot dogs during a game on a team that didn't win?
Starting point is 00:23:56 Like, how do you get a raise after that? Yeah. I mean, we've had two of the craziest quarterback stories of all time. We had a quarterback missed the Tennessee game to take the LSAT, which that'll never be topped. Skipping your final game to take the LSAT when you would have been the starting quarterback is an all-timer. But also, just being like, I don't like football anymore because it hurts too much. Because of our off. Those are two amazing stories.
Starting point is 00:24:24 And to give that guy an extension and a raise, Ryan, I mean, he had a year left. They didn't have to do it. I don't get it. There's no doubt that Wolford is Stoop's ride or die. I mean, he is going to hang on that, go up, fight that hill for him. You had him on the show, and he talked about it. You really defended him as a coach, as a recruiter.
Starting point is 00:24:45 But the results when he was here the first time, and now even the second time, don't seem to back up the praise. Are two worst offensive lines of the Stoop's era, objectively, or the two years he's been in charge. That's fair. That's just a fact. You could make an argument that the two years he was in charge, we had worse offensive lines than when we stunk in Stoops' first and second years.
Starting point is 00:25:13 How do you give that a race? And he's his boy, you know, to me, that's like starting to seem like the last year or two a cow. You know, Bruiser's my friend, right? Chin and I get along. Trying to hire my son. Brad. I mean, what's the difference? He now has, I'm not seeing these guys aren't good coaches, but objectively, he now has
Starting point is 00:25:40 his brother on staff. He's had his brother on staff, and he's got like two of his best friends. I mean, there comes a point where, you know, I'm not against you having your friends, but we can't have your friends and go four and eight. I'm almost more confused. like how did this get approved? What did he take to Mitch Barnhart's desk to get this signed? Mitch, we're already short on money with revenue sharing.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Stoops has a big buyout they might get to. How is anyone getting a raise on that staff right now? Do we know when this was done? Did Luckett say, did this happen right after the season? Yeah, it's been a few months. Okay, so like he might argue, well, he would have gone somewhere else. But, I mean, part of me would go, so, right? Then that staff is very well taken care of.
Starting point is 00:26:26 If someone put it on KS board of where they rank at each position coach in the country of getting paid, there's a lot of top 10 assistant coaches over there. I don't know how you put more money into it after the last season. I just don't, listen, I can be talked into the offensive line wasn't as good last year for X and Y reasons, but he'll be better this year. I don't know if I believe it, but I could be talked into it. I don't know how you give a man a raise who produced the worst offensive line we've had in a decade plus. I don't know how you give him a race.
Starting point is 00:26:57 I don't know how you give him an extension. Let him play out this year. Most college assistant coaches, especially, I mean, most of them are on a year deal. Say, let's talk about it at the end of the year. I don't get this. This is one of those. This is like after the year with Oscar and where we lost to Kansas State. And we all agreed that we need a shot in the arm.
Starting point is 00:27:22 And the story was the staff's going to be the same. This is like, I just, I think it's almost like it's completely tone deaf to the fan base. I'm asking this because I don't know the answer. Is he killing it in the recruiting battles? You see what we have. I think he did fine. But, you know, I mean, we got pretty much every kid that played in New Mexico. And will that work?
Starting point is 00:27:51 Maybe. I don't know. Yeah, we won't know until the fall. It does look like on paper. they got a good offensive line class, but you don't reward him for it until you know. Our center is going to be a guy from Western Kentucky. Jaggers back.
Starting point is 00:28:05 And they might be good, but shouldn't we wait and see if they're good before we give him a raise in another year? Yes, absolutely. Unless you think he was in that high demand with other schools wanting to get him? Considering the money we spend on the offensive line, to say he got good players, it's sort of like Chris Rock saying, you know, when people say, I take care of my kids, you're supposed to get good players.
Starting point is 00:28:30 The question is, are you going to, are they going to be better? Because we heard they had good players last year. Yeah. And then they didn't. I need to see the PowerPoint presentation Stoops took to Mitch, how he even sold this. And how Mitch wasn't it a quick, no. I'm not saying, look, it's $100,000. It's not my money, whatever.
Starting point is 00:28:51 But it does look to me to be like a tone deafness that is usually the signal of things kind of falling apart. And that's what worries me about it. All right. We'll take your calls. If you agree or disagree, this will be right back. It's KSR. I guarantee you Freddie Magert taught about it. T.J. Smith, personal injury attorney.
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Starting point is 00:30:10 That can't be true. What's your name, man? Wes. Wes. That's got to be a lot, right? He's not the seventh highest paid offense. They were ranked 115th. Those numbers don't end up.
Starting point is 00:30:23 We're paying him set. He's the seventh highest paid Offensive line. That math doesn't math. It's also not forget. Alabama didn't like him because the line wasn't good in the year that they came up short. So what's he been good at?
Starting point is 00:30:35 I'm being dead serious. I'm going to ask you, is he killing it in the recruiting rank? Something we don't know about. What good does that do if you come and don't play well? He's a good friend. I think that's the answer. Well, I mean, that's nice. It's nice to have good friends.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Stoops was really defensive of him. As you all remember, said he's never gotten more calls for any assistant coach ever than he gets for Eric Quilford. You know, I mean, just because everybody likes your girlfriend doesn't mean that you should be with him. I mean, maybe it's even the... You know, Drew said it. Stoops was definitely
Starting point is 00:31:02 almost overprotecting him when you were talking to him about him. In fact, it could mean the opposite. Remember, he said, and this maybe he deserves credit for, not $100,000, but credit, he said, when I get there every morning, he's the first assistant coach in. That's nice.
Starting point is 00:31:19 I know. I'm not saying that warrants a raise. I'm just saying Stoops is very defensive of me. I mean, he might bring the coffee. That's nice. Hey, I'm the first person in on this show. Do I get a $100,000 raise? Yeah, I mean, the first person in,
Starting point is 00:31:31 it reminds me of when you ask somebody about a person. And you're like, tell me about Dan. And when the first thing somebody says is, well, he's really nice, I'm immediately skeptical that Dan is going to be helpful. No, I mean, like, as a buddy of mine once used to say, nice, nice, everybody's nice. Like, I need to know something else about them. Being first in.
Starting point is 00:31:57 There's also giving him an extension when he has already proven he will leave you in a heartbeat. Yeah, that's another good point. Why he's in your rental car on a recruiting visit, he will leave you. Brock Vandergriff quit football. He got hurt so much. He quit football. Who's up first, Shannon? Let's go to Zach.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Zach. Go ahead, Zach. What's up, Matt? So I was having a debate with a friend the other day, and I thought maybe you could solve it. We were talking about how we thought it was awesome that Rick Patino came back for Big Blue Madness last year. And I said that I think one day we'll forgive Billy Gillespie until we'll get a warm welcome at Ruff Arena. And they said no way that ever happened. Yeah, I mean, I think so.
Starting point is 00:32:43 I agree with you. Rick is Boris and Billy. Well, but Rick had success here. So, like, there were good parts of that relationship. Here's what I think all happened with that. But I don't know that Billy... Like, it was the worst... Yeah, but Billy never had any success.
Starting point is 00:32:59 I mean, there was never any moment to feel great about. Whereas with Rick, we won a national championship and had some of our most fun years of all time. That's a good question, though. I appreciate the call. If Billy Gillespie wanted to come back to Kentucky, Let's see, when did he start coaching, 2007? So let's say that in 2020,
Starting point is 00:33:24 his 20th anniversary. You're the AD and you get a phone call. Hey, Billy's people would like to just come. What's your answer? I say, are you sure? And if he's set on it, you bring him back. And there'd probably be a few booze. I don't think it'd be a loud applause.
Starting point is 00:33:46 It'd be more like a, all right, Kind of like when they just bring out other, than to bring the science club out. But if he wanted to come back, I don't think you just deny him that moment. Okay, what do you think, right? I think you invite him back because not what he did here, but I think, you know, he's had this health issues.
Starting point is 00:34:04 I mean, he mean, I don't know if he's never going to get back into coaching. I think as time passes, you know, you see the guy for the person, and I think his health issues, I think. I mean, his off the court was not. exactly the most stellar thing in the world during his two years it's not like i mean you have a 20 years that has passed yeah and he was cc coach of the year his first year so is that what you do shannon you just give like a 20 years ago yeah billy gillespie was SEC coach of the year everyone give him around and i think you know he's become more of a sympathetic figure because i don't disagree
Starting point is 00:34:42 with you but but i think you bring him back but i don't think you bring him out on the court you You don't just have him to hang out. Yeah, you know, and you can say, oh, there's Billy Gillespie over there. Because here's the thing. Everyone who's ever coached here has either gotten their moment to soak up the fans or will. John Calaparie will get that one day. Yes. Do we want to have the only guy?
Starting point is 00:35:07 Because even Eddie Sutton got it. He did. And Eddie Sutton put us on pro. I mean, Eddie Sutton, the program got even lower than it did with Billy. everyone's gotten it. Do we want to just have this one guy who is the only person we've never embraced back here?
Starting point is 00:35:24 I'd be for it. I'm not saying call him up and put it on the calendar like we've got to make this happen, but if he were interested in coming back, yes, let him have the experience. I even say introduce him. Maybe not as the why.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Like I said, I don't think... Be the you? I don't think it's good. There's Billy over there in Section 114. Rosie. He comes out randomly when the cheerleaders do the, you and then does the you and then skirts off the court.
Starting point is 00:35:47 But I mean, I don't think we should just, like, ban him from ever coming back. He's still coaching, by the way, right? He is still coaching. Okay, so how about that? Would you have an interest? Who's he coaching? Tarleton. Oh, he's still a talk.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Okay. Would you be interested in scheduling the game with him? They're D1. Yeah, I don't go out of my way. I'm not calling him, but if he calls and really wants to. Wouldn't that be the easiest way to do it? Wouldn't the easiest way to do it be to play Tarleton? and when they go, and the coach of Tarleton, Billy Gillespie, and then that's it.
Starting point is 00:36:16 That's perfect. I think it's the best way to do it. Wouldn't that be the best way to do it? Yeah. Play a highlight video. It would be about the length of a TikTok. What's the highlight going to be? Block free throw.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Perry Stevenson's dunk. It's a really good question. What's the Billy Gillespie highlight video? Okay, you're going to have him. What was his entrance at the first Big Blue Man? Oh, that's what they do. They drop the curtain before the Tarleton game. That's right.
Starting point is 00:36:40 They drop the curtain. Like an abracadabra. Okay, so he dropped the curtain. There he is. What else was a highlight? Ramele had a good year that first year when Billy was SEC coach of the year. There got to be some Ramele stuff. We have that game where the guy flipped off Nick Calatheus and he missed the free throws.
Starting point is 00:36:58 Well, you could do Jody Meeks highlights, but Billy would say don't put him in there. It's not about him. No, that's true. I mean, don't see. Okay. All right, this is how we bring him back. All right. You celebrate Jody Meeks 20-year anniversary.
Starting point is 00:37:12 anniversary of him breaking the scoring record. And then Billy's there. Billy's there. Billy who hated it. Who hated him? And I think Jody hated Billy, but put that to the side. What about, there was always the rumor that there were t-shirts made and Billy hit him, that Jody Meeks.
Starting point is 00:37:27 I think they might have been witness or something that could plan off to LeBron. There was some kind of Jody Meeks T-shirt that Billy allegedly didn't let see the light of day. Maybe we drag those out of the attic, pass those around the ruptu zone. I just feel like we don't want to be the school that, because you're right, he is a sad figure. now. He had what a liver transplant? Yeah. Liver or kidney, something. Yeah, something like that. But anyway,
Starting point is 00:37:50 it's a good question. Do I think it'll ever happen? I could see Mark Pope doing it. Yeah, I can't too. I could see Mark Pope doing it. I have an idea, and they would never do this, but if I were in charge of marketing, I would set this up. You have Billy run out of the tunnel, and 50 yards behind him, Cutler runs under tunnel through.
Starting point is 00:38:08 He's chasing him through the arena and just run out another tunnel. That would be really good. That would be really good. You just hit what they need to do. Who's next? Landon. Landon.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Landon, go ahead, Landon. I'd pay for that. Hey, what's going on, guys? Go ahead, Landon. What's going on? Yeah, I'm calling in regards to Cameron calling in about me missing work yesterday. Oh, wait a minute. You're Landon who missed work for the woolly worm, right?
Starting point is 00:38:34 Is that, is that who, am I correct? Yeah, I've got a couple things to say about that because he's in the next room listening. Go for it. Okay, so I was sick. There wasn't no woolly worm woman. And second off, Cameron's not my boss. His brother is the boss. I don't know where, like, who he thinks he is, but he is not my boss.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Wow. Let me tell you something else about Cameron, too. He would have had that wire pulled last week if he doesn't take 20 minutes smoke breaks every hour. Oh, yes. So you think Cameron's. smokes too much and the wire would already been pulled. Oh yeah, he does. He goes through a pack of day.
Starting point is 00:39:19 That's too many. So you dispute the allegation that you missed work to see a woman in Badeyville? Yeah, that did not happen. Actually, my girlfriend, she lives in Richmond and I sent her the clip. That was actually probably interesting.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Wait a minute. That was probably interesting for her to hear that you had a woman in Badyville if she lives in Richmond. Well, yeah, yeah, I told her that, and I was entered a clip and she said, she told me to tell you specifically that she does not like being called a woollyworm woman. Well, I apologize to her. You're the one that skipped work, though, to be in babyville. But thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:39:54 I'm glad to hear things have worked out, and I appreciate the call. I did. Somebody reminded me the name of the woman I went to school with who said, uh, woolly worm. And that made me happy because I'd forgotten her, I've forgotten her name. I won't say it here in case she's probably married with kids now. So I, uh, that's funny. In her office, turmoil going in this office, these guys right. beside each other, calling each other out on the radio show.
Starting point is 00:40:15 They need to go see HR. What do they mean? What does he mean when he says he should have been pulling wire? What is he talking about? Yesterday, the caller that called him out said we have a wire to pull, and he's not here. Yeah. But what does that mean? Pull wire.
Starting point is 00:40:28 You know, it could be the cable for cable TV. It could be a telephone cable. When Daniel comes to fix our internet back there. All the cables. I mean, it feels like one person could do that. If he quit smoking. Why did they need him to, like, Shannon, do you know, I mean, everybody's acting like that. Do you know what it means to pull wire?
Starting point is 00:40:44 I have no idea. I was kind of wondering the same thing. I mean, I know no one likes to. I mean, I know we're in a state where everybody acts to act like they know everything about men stuff. I'll acknowledge I don't know what it means to pull wire, but it sounds like you don't either. You've seen those guys on the side of the road. They've got a big, huge spool, big as your car of wire. It's got to go up on the poles.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Is that what it means? By pulling wire, putting up wire? Maybe that's what he's talking about. Because I would think pull means to pull out. Pull it off. spindle to install it wherever they are. Maybe a big building, maybe a road. So do you know that's true or are you just?
Starting point is 00:41:18 No, I'm trying to talk about what kind of pulling wire they're doing where it might take more than one guy. So you're guessing? Yes. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. So somebody can answer that for me on the text machine.
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Starting point is 00:45:33 wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio. pulling wire, seems like a lot of people knew this. That's not us. You pull it like through the wall and through pipes and you're basically
Starting point is 00:45:54 setting up the wire for the electrician then to kind of connect. So you're, that's the pulling. So now I learned that. I said install in big buildings. That's kind of what I meant. Okay. I'm pulling wire.
Starting point is 00:46:06 I go way back. Do you? 859-280-2287. Bruce Pearl reports that he might consider running for Senate. Tommy Tuberville, the former Auburn football coach, is apparently
Starting point is 00:46:19 going to run for governor, give up his Senate seat, which would mean that Bruce Pearl could then run for Senate. I don't know what the Auburned coach to politics pipeline is, but I would say I am all for Bruce Pearl
Starting point is 00:46:39 running for Senate. Not because I agree with Bruce Pearl. He's a right-wing guy. He's probably a lot more right-wing to me, although I've met him over the years, and I do like him quite a bit. But I would be very happy for him to no longer be the Auburn coach so that they will start to stink again, Drew. I just, when I saw it, I just thought, what a country. I mean. I mean, unbelievable. What are his qualifications? I mean, literally, they could have a scenario where their governor and one of their two senators were Auburn coaches. Wow. Maybe who else is there? He freeze? Could maybe he's up?
Starting point is 00:47:13 Yeah, you freeze. He should be the other one. That would be great. And I like Bruce, big Bruce fan, actually. But it's just hard to imagine him in politics. I know he tweets about it all the time. I can see it. I just mean the visual of him.
Starting point is 00:47:25 I picture Bruce with his shirt ripped off in the Tennessee student section and sweating through his suit in the NCAA tournament. Leave aside his views. I can totally see him being a senator just because of the kind of person he is. I could see him being a good communicator. I can see him. like connecting with the public. You've known him a long time, Ryan. I can see it.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Very passionate. And he comes across on social media. He's very passionate about a lot of political issues, passionate about basketball. That's one way to say it. I think nobody ever tells him to stick to sports. But yes, he very much has some strong opinion. There's not a coach out there that tweets more than him. I agree political things.
Starting point is 00:48:06 I don't even know another. I mean, what? It's like him and maybe Steve Kerr and Greg Popovich. I think those are the coaches that probably do. it the most. But he does it a lot. A lot. There's basketball season got over this year.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Do you think that would work in Kentucky? Like, do you think if Mark Pope or Mark Stoops were to do politics, do you think that people would be, whatever side they were on, do you think people would be okay with that? At Kentucky basketball, I feel like they could ignore it because everyone's just so obsessed with the basketball. There'd be a lot of people who couldn't forgive if they were tweeting about the opposite side. See, I don't think they could do. I don't think our fan base.
Starting point is 00:48:54 I think he can do it at Alabama because the state is so Republican that he's Republican. And it's like even the Democrats are like, well, that's just going to be what it is. I think at Kentucky, I just think that, you know, I just don't think it would work. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I can't say. I mean, remember when the players now, there's still people that. Oh, yeah. You're doing a burning jerseys. Yeah, so I just don't see it being, I don't see it working.
Starting point is 00:49:25 If, yeah, your basketball coach is winning, you kind of look the other way, but when your football coach is struggling, I don't know if Stoops could do it. I think he might have a good one. I mean, people forget that in 1996 while Rick Petino was coach in Kentucky, he introduced Bill Clinton in a presidential rally here in Lexington. That couldn't happen now. Would you, like you, Mark Pope could not introduce Donald Trump or, you know, Kamala Harris. Like, it just, that just, that couldn't happen now, right?
Starting point is 00:49:54 But it happened in 1996. It did. You know, there was a time, I think even Coach Caliperi was close to, like, well, he would say he was friends with people. I think you can do that. But, like, full on, like, I mean, go read Bruce Pearl's Twitter. He'll say, I mean, he'll say a lot of stuff. He does.
Starting point is 00:50:14 But wouldn't you agree it would be nice for him to run Shannon so he's not coaching Auburn anymore? Yeah, I'd rather have him in politics than be coaching against us. Yeah, because he's a great, he's a great coach. That's also maybe part of the reason. I mean, Bruce Pearl could have been the coach here. It's been interesting to see if he had done all that stuff here. He'd still be firing those tweets off.
Starting point is 00:50:34 Oh, I think he won't. Mitch would not like that. I think he will say what he's going to say. And to some extent, I respect that, even if I disagree with it. Who's up next? Jerry. Jerry, go ahead. ahead, Jerry.
Starting point is 00:50:44 859, 2807. Actually, I was at that Rick Petino Rally, and he got ripped for doing that. On stage? In 96. Well, no, no.
Starting point is 00:50:57 At the time, people ripped him for doing it. People ripped him for doing that. Well, I was a kid. I guess I didn't really pay attention. Yeah, but go ahead. But anyway, well, this Wolford thing, I mean,
Starting point is 00:51:08 geez, man, I thought we were, I thought we were going to change the culture, bring back the old culture, you know, you're accountable. for what you did and all this stuff. And now Stoops does this. Okay, that makes you think all that stuff is a smoke screen. It was a smoke screen to get people off his back.
Starting point is 00:51:25 He's going to do it his way. And I'll tell you what, Matt, Matt, I didn't renew my tickets this year. And they called me twice trying to get me to do it. I mean, you didn't renew your check. Wait on a second. Jerry, you're as big a football fan as we have that calls this show. You didn't renew your tickets? No.
Starting point is 00:51:43 No, because I was that put out. I was that put out with it. I would say it to the next. Okay, go ahead, real quick. And they, and they, and they, and they called me twice. Okay. Trying to get me to read my tickets. And the more I see stuff like this, I'm glad I didn't do it.
Starting point is 00:52:00 And I'm telling you, if you want to see an offensive line that bad, the 82 team, you can watch them on YouTube. All right, Jay. It was that, I got to. That's bad. I appreciate the call. Jay, I love you, but. I will say the UK, because. I know you guys listen.
Starting point is 00:52:16 There has been in the 15 years I've done this show, probably no person who's called this show to talk about football more than him. If that dude is not renewing his season tickets, you got a problem. You just do. I mean, there's nobody who, when we stunk, called more about football than him, that is a bad, bad sign. We'll take a break.
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