KSR - 2025-12-08- KSR - Hour 1

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

Matt, Ryan, Drew, and Shannon talk Kentucky Basketball's loss to Gonzaga and take your calls.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:54 I am Matt Jones. Ryan Lim and Drew Franklin in studio, as is Shannon the dudes. you can give us down the Clark's Pump and Shop phone line 859-2-80-2287. A-Vision Auto Glass text machine is 772-745-254 in this edition sponsored by the T.J. Smith Law Office. If you call T.J., he'll make them pay. Ryan, Drew, I don't know, what you would say, sad or angry, probably moving towards angry weekend across Big Blue Nation. Would you agree with that? absolutely it's been a long time i think that we've seen the fan base like this about our basketball
Starting point is 00:03:32 program but it is it is really bad shockingly bad i mean drew we'll get to the scene in nashville but would you have thought 10 games into year two you would have seen this level of of anger in b bn no not at all and we've now it's been a few days since that game and i am actually still in the disbelief phase of what i walked and most of the most of the what I heard from the fans in Nashville. I didn't have much faith in the game. We've seen the team lately. They have big problems.
Starting point is 00:04:04 But to look that bad and get that response from some of your most passionate fans, I still can't even believe it happened. Yeah, well, 859-28027, you can give us a shout. Text machine is 772-745254. I'd be remiss if I didn't start off by saying just a lot of gratitude towards all of you from the weekend. You know, it's been a tough week for my family and me. And, you know, the various pieces of news about my dad
Starting point is 00:04:41 have actually come out during the games on or right game days of Tuesday and Friday. But people have had an amazing response, just overwhelming. I mean, we all, myself, my parents really appreciate everyone. You know, it's a difficult situation, but my dad is back home, and I'm going to kind of leave the rest of the stuff sort of private with my family. But I hope you all will understand over the course. For me, coming on and doing this show, to be quite frank with you, can be a good distraction from what's going on, and that's kind of what I would like to do as much
Starting point is 00:05:26 as possible. But there may be times that I, in the coming weeks, have to be gone, and I hope people understand that. And, you know, Ryan, Drew, thank you guys for stepping in this weekend, and I'm sure stepping in the future. We were supposed to go next week, not this week, but next week, on our yearly kind of December road trip. We're not going to do that right now.
Starting point is 00:05:50 We'll still be around. I'm still going to be around, but I think it's probably better for us to maybe postpone that. Maybe until January, we'll see what happens. But Ryan, Drew, I want to thank you guys and Shannon for really being such good friends during all this and helping out. Man, you know, we got your back to just hang in there, be strong. We all love Larry. Life throwing him a couple of curveballs, but he's a tough old guy, man. Anybody can fight this.
Starting point is 00:06:15 It's Larry Blondell. There's no doubt about it. I'll tell him you said that, tough old guy. I'll make sure that that's what we pass. Yeah, we're all here for you, man, and keeping in our thoughts and just let Larry know that we're thinking about them. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. And, you know, this, at times sort of doing this and doing it in a public way and having to go through situations like this in a public way can sometimes actually make it more difficult.
Starting point is 00:06:45 But then also sometimes can make it really. positive in terms of how people react. So, but anyway, I hope you understand in doing this show and kind of going forward. It's just, it's, it is kind of a good distraction for me. And we will, uh, we will progress on in that way. And, you know, I love my parents more than anything. And Larry, uh, Larry's a fighter and, and, and will continue to, to do so. So shifting gears.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Uh, a lot of the stuff that happened happened. with me on Friday. So I missed a great deal of the, when I turned the game on, Drew, it was 19 to 2. Oh, my. I thought I'm going to miss a little bit, did not think I was going to turn it on, and it was going to be 19 to 2. You were there, I want you to do me two favors. First of all, explain to me the scene in the arena, because I generally believe that
Starting point is 00:07:49 Nashville provides the best of Kentucky crowds, literally the best, even better than Rupp Arena. Nashville is the best. What was it like leading into the game? And then sort of what happened, not so much on the court, but in the crowd during the course of the game. Well, you're right about Nashville. That was BBN at its best. And then maybe it's worst as it went on. I thought Gonzaga fans might travel because when they played at Rupp, they brought a good crowd. Of course, Seattle, that's close to them. But they had a lot of the fans there. There weren't many Gonzaga fans in that arena. It was all blue. I hung around. Was it full? Was it full? Yeah, it was full. And it's the, it's that SEC
Starting point is 00:08:25 tournament, the rowdy crew that, you know, you mentioned, it's not the normal season ticket holders that have been spoiled by having seats for so many years. These are the people that don't get to go to many games and they sure showed out. Going into it, it was a little weird because everyone was excited, but the confidence wasn't high. We kind of went in just waiting to see what Kentucky could do. But then minutes into the game when they're on that scoring drought, I mean, the reaction in there was just truly shock. And then when they finally scored to break the drought, the sarcastic cheering our first basket,
Starting point is 00:08:56 whatever minutes into the game was, I mean, I couldn't help but laugh, but it was like a ticked off laugh. I couldn't believe we were in that state. You know, I want to talk about the buoy because that's gotten a lot of attention amongst the fan base and amongst the outside college basketball world because it is not something you see a lot,
Starting point is 00:09:16 in college basketball. But let's first, Ryan, I guess, talk about performance. I mean, we got absolutely demolished. 94-59. I'm not sure. I was trying to think of a time I think Kentucky has been more thoroughly dominated in a way like that. I mean, a couple times I think we've lost by more points, but this was in some ways maybe the worst beating that I've ever seen Kentucky take because it was from moment one,
Starting point is 00:09:45 there was never one sense where the game was even moderately competitive. And I think it was a combination, and I think this is part of why there's so much frustration with the fan base. Combination of talent, which clearly is part of it, but also a combination combined that with want to. This was a, I mean, when I say they quit, that would assume that at some point it felt like they were in it. even with that crowd and even with that juice, it was a team of no energy and just, it was an embarrassment. It was, I'm not going to say it's the worst loss in UK history. There have been worse, you know, the Oakland's, the St. Peter's, etc.
Starting point is 00:10:28 But in terms of most humiliating performances, Ryan, I don't know if there's been one, do you? No, it was as poor performances I've ever seen. And you mentioned there's been some bad losses. but this time they were gutless. There was no effort. There was no energy. There was no focus. On the post game show, Jack Given said, I knew it from the pregame warmups.
Starting point is 00:10:51 They were coming out flat like they weren't ready to play. Well, let's talk about the pregame warmups for just a second because Jack said that. But I was getting messages. So, you know, it was kind of weird because of what was going on. I had my phone. Sometimes I didn't have it sometimes. And I sort of looked like an hour into it I got on the text machine. And, Ryan, on your point about pregame warmups.
Starting point is 00:11:10 I had multiple people riding me saying they were at the game, and they're like Gonzaga is running like a military-esque warm-up where they're like doing drills, et cetera, and the Kentucky guys are standing around talking to people. Talk to me about that. What are they talking about there? Because I got multiple people saying that before the game even started. Yeah, I think it was Gonzaga.
Starting point is 00:11:33 They were getting themselves mentally and physically ready to play while Kentucky looked like. I think they were out there just shooting baskets, getting ready to play a pickup game. Like there was no focus. Jack kept using that word. Like you could tell, they just weren't focused, no energy at all, trying to get ready for to play this huge game with a huge crowd,
Starting point is 00:11:49 you chant and go big blue all throughout the arena, and you can't get up for it. I mean, we don't even, you don't even have to really go over the details of the game because it was everything you can do we did poorly. We did not have energy. The rebounding, right after we've had multiple, we talked about this offensive rebounding thing, another game where we get absolutely demolished.
Starting point is 00:12:10 And there are multiple videos online on TikTok and on Twitter of showing our lack of hustle. Basically, guys not getting back, guys not in their right position. There's a really damning like two and a half minute clip of this guy just showing all of Kentucky's errors. Also showing Mark Pope making bizarre coaching errors. They focus on inbound's place where we continue to put our center guarding the inbounder, and end up with their center being guarded by a 6-3 guard, three different possessions, and Pope never changes it up.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Drew, I can keep saying embarrassing. I don't want to keep doing that. But I can't think of a worse Kentucky performance where they did the name on the jersey less respect than that one. I know, just moping around. Like, they don't even talk to each other. You're talking about defending the rim. Graham E.K. could have had a hundred points if he wanted easy.
Starting point is 00:13:10 He was scoring. He's crushed us every single year. At least the last couple of years, he had to earn it a little bit. I mean, it's like they didn't have any defense on him whatsoever. And with Pope, yeah, he wasn't making the adjustments. But this was my first game because I went as a fan. I'm not sitting up in the media seats. I'm a little closer to where Pope is.
Starting point is 00:13:28 And I was just watching him. I'm just as frustrated with how he looks. Like he looks like he doesn't have a single carry. Well, it's not care, but an answer or any enthusiasm. enthusiasm at all. We talk about fans. We're supposed to be the crazy ones and we're the ones that are terrified. He looks like he's more afraid than any fan in the crowd. He looks defeated to me. He absolutely looks completely defeated. And I am shocked by that. I thought of all people that have ever coached here, you would never be able to defeat him in terms of energy. I mean, he's the
Starting point is 00:14:01 guy that when he got hired, Shannon was out hugging people on the sidewalk. Right. Like, I mean, he's constant energy and he looks defeated. He looks like a man who just hates his life. And there comes a point where you have to sit here and take a step back from the game and go, what has happened? I mean, this program, it looks like the players cannot stand each other. It looks like they almost have zero desire to be on the court. they make terrible errors.
Starting point is 00:14:37 We can talk about the design and roster build, and I think it's clearly faulty. But they're not even, they look like a bunch of guys that just met each other and don't want to be around each other. I've never seen anything like it, and I've never seen a coach that in four weeks, Ryan seems like a more different person
Starting point is 00:15:03 and then he did four weeks ago. I'm sure you guys got... I am absolutely baffled by how bad they are. Yeah, I'm sure you guys got the same message as I did. The people that were there, and Drew maybe can say this, the look on Pope's face, like they said, I feel sorry for him. He looks like he has no idea what to do. Like, he's completely lost.
Starting point is 00:15:22 But I don't feel sorry for him. I mean, I like him a lot. But I don't feel sorry for him. Like, you can't... You're the leader. Like, sometimes you just have to be the one, even if it's put on a fake front, Drew, I don't feel sorry for him. You put this team together.
Starting point is 00:15:39 You coached them. You told us when they were a Ferrari. Like, what's going on? And that was a problem for me even before this game. Like, stick your chest out and be the leader of Kentucky basketball. Like, why are you? I keep using the Braveheart reference. Like, we're at war and he's in the back of the pack hiding behind the back line back there
Starting point is 00:15:55 when he's supposed to be in the front, putting on a good front and some leadership here. Like just seeing him look so scared makes everyone. I'm so scared. Let's quote our good friend John Cal Perry. There's no crying on the yacht. No, there's not. You're in Kentucky. You spent more money on this roster than anybody else in the country.
Starting point is 00:16:15 You played here. You don't get to, like, when the ship's going down, you have to be at the front. And I, I'm baffled. I'm baffled looking at guys that, like, Otega Oway, who was okay, although sometimes quit on plays. Yeah, he did. And I, I don't know how much, Shannon, I can watch Denzel Aberdeen shoot anymore. And I, and no one, just standing out at the three point line.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Like, I don't get it. It's like a personality issue that this team has, like a clash. And you see, like, you know, loose balls that are just not going after. They're not even being going for. Look, this roster is poorly constructed, okay? And that's a different question. It's poorly constructed. But, Ryan, it ain't getting beat 35 points in Nashville.
Starting point is 00:17:02 poorly constructed. No, and I think the thing that scares me the most is like they're getting worse. They're progressively. They're getting a lot worse. The Louisville game was a loss, but I actually don't think was something to be embarrassed. Agreed. You played Louisville on the road, you played them hard, you came back, you had a shot. The Michigan State loss was kind of embarrassing, but they're pretty good.
Starting point is 00:17:27 I thought the North Carolina loss was embarrassing. But this is a whole other level. Yep. This is a whole, you don't lose by 35 points to anybody at Kentucky. And I am at a loss for what has happened. Their roster is bad, badly constructed. But it's not this bad. Something has happened with this group.
Starting point is 00:17:58 And Mark Pope has. got to like, I don't want to say, hey, go figure it out, but figure it out. Because this is ridiculous. Now, we do have to talk about the booing, because that's, a lot of people have had strong thoughts. We'll deal with that and take your calls next to our KSR. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.
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Starting point is 00:22:18 What's the song? Monday morning. All right. So, you know, I've actually decided I like Fleetwood Mac. Yeah. I had no exposure to them, except for that song that they sang at Bill Clinton's inauguration. I can't remember what it is. And then Silver Spring.
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Starting point is 00:22:46 You hit the Fleetwood Mac age. Is it like 40s or Fleetwood Mac age? Yeah, like mid to late 40s. You start to get Fleetwood Mac. Yeah. You go from 90s hip hop to... I still like that too, but I kind of like Fleetwood Mac. I meant to say this at the beginning and I forgot.
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Starting point is 00:23:52 All right, so the booing. I'm not a booer, okay? Like, I don't boo anyone except the umpires drew at the Reds game. That's really the only people I ever boo. That's right. I do boo the umpires at the Reds game because they're always cheating the Reds. and I generally am a don't boo college kids. Now, the NIL situation has changed stuff a lot in that regard,
Starting point is 00:24:16 and it has not changed the mind of whether or not I would boo, but I now understand why people boo a little bit more. You were at the game. One of the things about booing is it can be only a few people, and it can sound like it's everybody, because booing's loud. Booing's louder than clapping. Sometimes you'll see, like, the president or something come to a game.
Starting point is 00:24:35 It'll seem like the whole crowd's booing, But then they show individual shots and it'll only be a handful of people. It's just booing can be loud. You're there. What percentage of the audience, Drew, do you think was actually booing on Friday night? Oh, it was a lot. Is it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Oh, yeah. It was a whole lot. What do we say? What's a lot? 20%, 10%? I'll go 20. You know, it went like half of the crowd. 20% of the crowd was booing.
Starting point is 00:25:02 It felt like it. And I didn't boo, and I'm not trying to say I'm too good to boo. my jaw was on the floor and just taking it all in. I'm looking around like, oh my God, Kentucky fans are booing the home team. Again, that goes back to just the shock of so many things that happened that night. Can you ever remember? Can anybody ever remember booze like that at a Kentucky? It's happened sometimes in football.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Can you ever remember any of you that level booing at a Kentucky basketball? No. They got booed by, in the UNC Wilmington loss, but it wasn't a fraction of the booing. But this was booing. booing with six minutes to go in the first half booing. This wasn't booing at the end of the game. We were only 14 minutes into the game. Ryan, do you... Not all booze
Starting point is 00:25:44 are the same. This was anger. This was coming from the belly. This was like maybe even pent up going back to past coaching areas and Oakland, St. Peters. This was like a release of I am so disappointed in this program the last several years. Ryan, you've been around
Starting point is 00:26:00 long as long as I have, but actually at the games. Can you ever remember it worse? Never. Never. I mean, it was loud and deafening and in the first half. They booed our team off the court at halftime. I've never seen that. I mean, it was a bad look for us, but I kind of, I'm like you. I'm not a booer. I wouldn't do it.
Starting point is 00:26:19 But I understand why some of those people, they spent a lot of money to watch that team, and then they stunk it up. I think it's a con. Okay, so I think you guys hit a majority of why I think it happened. All right, so start with five or six years of kind of being disappointed about UK basketball. Yep. I think that's a part of it. Like we've not been, what's the, we've been to the Saturday of the SEC tournament once in the last seven years, something like that.
Starting point is 00:26:44 Something like that. I think the last time we were there is 2019. Yeah. Only been, the farthest we've been to the Sweet 16, and that was last year in the last five or six years. So I think that's part of it. I think another part of it is that we've gotten progressively worse as the season goes around. That we spent allegedly $22 million on the roster. I think that number is high, but we still.
Starting point is 00:27:05 probably spend as much as anybody in college basketball, that we were told by the staff and media outlets who kind of believed it that this was going to be a Ferrari, that we lost at home to North Carolina on Tuesday, and then that we're in Nashville, everybody's been drinking and party, and it's that rowdy, fun Kentucky crowd, and the one thing Kentucky fans won't accept is quitting and not giving energy. We had a team last year that wasn't quite as talented, but it always felt like every single one of those guys gave you everything they had. And now this year you get the exact opposite, or at least it feels like the exact opposite.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Drew, I think it's the combination of all that. And then you come off that moment and there's just this visceral sound. And then when a couple people do it, more join in and you end up with this sort of chorus of booze. Yeah, I think, you know, a lot of it was just the excitement of that trip. As we've said, you know, this might be the only game a lot of people see in person all year. Might be their only chance to show their frustration in the team. Then you throw in all the cocktails that people probably had before on the street
Starting point is 00:28:21 and just how bad that start was to go nine minutes without a basket. After you just blew your last game by going 10 minutes or whatever without a basket, a lot of people were bringing that up in the arena, how we've almost had 20 minutes of Kentucky basketball without a field goal. What was it? 19 and a half minutes of Kentucky basketball with two field goals. And that's when it just snapped. And it was, I mean, that was a vicious boo.
Starting point is 00:28:45 That wasn't all we're kind of disappointed. Let's play better. That was, I want you to feel how mad we are at you right now. 19 and a half minutes of consecutive basketball against North Carolina and Gonzaga, basically at home with two field goals. I wouldn't have done it, but I kind of understand. We'll take your calls right for this, KSR. T.J. Smith, personal injury attorney.
Starting point is 00:29:12 Call T.J. He'll make them pay. Now, more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones. Welcome back. Techies Sports Radio, 859, 280, 27. On the text machine, 772-7474-15254. One person writes, Matt, I'll tell you why you don't see the effort. It's NIL. These guys are making money. so they don't feel the need to try it's hard.
Starting point is 00:29:34 I don't buy that in the least. Other teams have NIL guys. Other teams are playing well. There's a high level of college basketball being played all over the country. I would argue outside of Lexington, Kentucky, this is some of the best basketball I've seen in 10 years. Yep. You turn on these games, dudes are giving it, even when they're not playing well.
Starting point is 00:29:54 I watched some of Michigan State Duke guys diving everywhere, dudes who are going to have better pro futures than our guys. and yeah, I don't buy that. We are not giving effort, but I don't think it's the money. It's these guys and this team. So you got to adjust. Listen, I watched some of Shannon, Ohio State Indiana football.
Starting point is 00:30:21 Yeah. Those dudes are making money. Oh, yeah, they are. That game didn't even matter, and they were going crazy, right? Right, yeah. So, yeah, I just don't buy that. All right, before we go to the phones, I want all four of us to take a vote.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Trying to figure out what's the best way to worry about the booing. Acceptable or not in 2025, Kentucky at Gonzaga? Not do you understand. Is it acceptable to boo your team in that scenario? Ryan. I'm going to say no. You're going to say no. Even though they make money.
Starting point is 00:31:01 That's predictable. Yeah. I know he's going to say no. It is predictable. Of all the four of us, that was the vote I was most clear we were getting. Was Ryan was a no. So explain why it's a no. Explain why it to know.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Since you took it out of the equation, understanding why, just booing your own team. Not understanding. Is it acceptable? No, it's not. Not your own team. Not like that. Okay. Like if somebody did harm to your child and then you hurt that person, that might be, you might understand, but it's not acceptable, right?
Starting point is 00:31:33 Yes. Yes. So this is a – so you're saying not acceptable. That's my vote, yeah. All right. Drew. Without hesitation, yes, it's acceptable. They are – Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:31:44 Okay. I mean, when you don't even try, that's a different story. If you're losing because shots aren't going in or your bad matchup or your coaching fails, you, that's – you take your loss and you go home. These are guys that are giving no effort. And four games against teams of the pulse have lost by like a combined 65 points. So, sure, it stinks that you bill your own team, but it, it stinks that your team doesn't show up when the lights come on to.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Shannon. It is 100% acceptable, Ryan, to boo that team. When you're nine minutes into the game and your best offense is two free throws, you boo that team. These fans paid hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, to come to Nashville to watch that, and that deserves to be booed. That was awful. What do you think, Matt?
Starting point is 00:32:26 859, 2. See, I was hoping you wouldn't have. No, no, no. You sit all four of us. You're included. I was going to just move on. No, no one ever going on. Nope.
Starting point is 00:32:36 I would not do it. I would not recommend doing it. But I also think because of the effort, it has nothing to do for me with the money. And it actually doesn't have to do with the performance. Okay. If I felt like everybody was given 100% effort, engaged, connected, doing all they can. And they just weren't good. Then I can deal with that.
Starting point is 00:33:00 That's then a problem of roster construction. And you deal with the coach and the people who picked the point. players. And I do think that's part of it. But when you're not giving effort, and that includes to me the coaching staff, I sit there and watch the coaching staff just stare straight ahead. Yep. No adjustment, it seems like. None, the whole game. I, like, to me, they didn't do anything, the entire game. I think it is acceptable. And I can't believe I'm saying that. Two years ago, I would have said you never boo college kids ever. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:39 I think you never boo college kids if they at least make it seem like that doing this matters to them. If they're not good enough, well, that's life. Sometimes we don't get what we want. But if they're not going to even give effort, I can't think of a Kentucky team that didn't give effort. Go to that terrible Kentucky team during COVID. They weren't good, but they tried. Olivier Sarr tried every way to make a shot to win the game through. It just never went in.
Starting point is 00:34:10 That poor guy. That was just gutless. It was a gutless performance. I just can't remember a team that seemed to like. I cannot remember any team that liked each other less than this. So that's the big million dollar question. Do you think a lot of it is internally? Well, I mean, at this point it has to be.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Look, there have been teams that didn't like each other. Okay, team turmoil in 2002. They did not like each other. I don't really think that COVID team liked each other, but even amongst those teams, Severe Wheeler and Oscar didn't like each other. But even amongst those teams, they found ways on the court sometimes, Drew, to play connected,
Starting point is 00:34:53 and there were even groups of players that liked each other. I'm not seeing these guys off the court don't like each other. I don't know. But I've never seen a team that is like, not they don't they don't get they look like they've just met all of them and i mean he should have done it a while ago but whatever's going on pope needed to have a team meeting so y'all figure it out because there's a lot of bigger things going on and whatever you all have between yourselves i mean i don't pope clearly doesn't have the fire that maybe some the patinos the caliparries
Starting point is 00:35:27 have but he's got to find something to light into them otherwise i don't know what you do i heck through me, I might start Walker Horn and Zach Talon tomorrow night and try to send a message because whatever he's telling them in the locker room, it's not only not working. It's making them go the opposite direction. They're getting worse and seem to hate each other more and more by the day. He doesn't scream like
Starting point is 00:35:46 Cowan Rick, but I know he cares. I mean, I don't know. It is baffling to me how they've played this last week. All right, who's up first? Donnie. Donnie, go ahead, Donnie. Matt, I'm sorry to hear what you've been going through with your family.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Thank you. You know, I'm in my 70s. I go back a long way. I've never seen a team this dysfunctional. I think it goes to the coach, and I love this guy. Players are dogging it. I would get in their face. I would meet them on the court.
Starting point is 00:36:32 I wouldn't wait for them to come to the bench. I would get in their face. I'd send them to the locker room. I don't care about the money. You're playing for the University of Kentucky. This is unacceptable. I'd send them to the locker room, and I'd go through every one of them until I got down to five players.
Starting point is 00:36:48 You don't dog it. You go to the locker room, and when you decide you want to play, come back out and play. This is totally unacceptable. and this didn't start in the Gonzaga game. It goes back way before that. And the coach has got to hold these players accountable.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Matt, how do you fix this problem? I don't know. Now, if I do how to fix it, I'd say it. I appreciate the call. What's crazy is that, like, when they play a bad team, Ryan, they look really good. Yep. They're going to be an MC-C-C-C-C-trial-40 tomorrow night. They'll go away by 50 or not.
Starting point is 00:37:25 You know, they will. don't know I don't know what it is. NC Central is ranked 350th out of 365 times. This is going to be a joke. Oh, my. Like, they're awful. But I don't,
Starting point is 00:37:40 I don't know. I will tell you what Terrence Ogleby said, right? Do you know Terrence Ogleby is? I don't know who that is. He's on field of 68. I think he used to be a coach. Drew, where was he a coach? Xavier, maybe.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Where did he coach? I'm not sure. No, no, no. He's a bald guy that's on field of 68. I think he played a Clemson at one point. I think he does a really good job. And he was talking about Kentucky. And he said, look, I really respect Mark Pope how smart he is, et cetera. But maybe he's just too smart right now.
Starting point is 00:38:10 He says he keeps talking about inbound efficiency and burba-burne, bur-burne, bur-burne, bur-burne, he uses these big words and he brings in four guys and takes them out and three guys. He's like, they don't even do the basic things. So he was like, if I was Mark Pope, I'd throw out all of my catchphrases, all of my numbers, and say, let's guard the pick and roll. Right. And I actually thought maybe he's in a case, Ryan, where as smart as he is, he's gotten into his head, and he's almost trying to be too smart. And we've somehow gotten away from just the basics of basketball. Yeah, this offense they're running is nothing like we saw his offense at BYU, like we were so excited.
Starting point is 00:38:54 about how they were going to pass the pass and look for the three-point shot. Sorry, go ahead, Ryan. No, let's go ahead. Yeah, Shannon, see if you can find that Terrence Oglesby clip. It's on Twitter. Okay. Because he can say it better than me. But I thought it was really good when he was talking about it.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Who's next? Let's go to Braden. Braden, go ahead, Brayton. This fan base is broken. No hope and Pope. I got a very special song to play. I appreciate the call. It's not a Kentucky fan.
Starting point is 00:39:33 That's not a Kentucky fan because the fan base is not broken. We were very, I mean, Adam positive about Will Stein's hiring. Go look at the crowd for the volleyball games. That's a Louisville fan. Or an Arkansas fan. It is no one's fault because they didn't know. But, Shannon, this wasn't the right week for me to have my old comments about Cal going to Arkansas go viral.
Starting point is 00:39:57 Oh, yeah, yeah. Because every time I got online, that's all I saw. It was like great. So that's made me stay away from being... After a 35 point loss. Arkansas fans, men, they really follow me. I think they may be the fan base that follows me second most. I used to think it was Louisville and Tennessee,
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Starting point is 00:45:05 Welcome back, Tucky Sports Radio. So the vote on here looked like it was like 3-1 that it would be acceptable to boo with Ryan in dissent. Let's take a vote on the text. I still think you get the best cross-section of this fans for me on the text machine. I think Twitter runs a little negative. Facebook definitely runs negative. Some things like the post-game show, I think run a little positive. So let's do this.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Just yes or no. Was it acceptable in that moment for fans to boo? I'm not asking if you would boo, but is it? it acceptable to do it? Just yes or no. I just want to do a little survey and we'll see. So 772, 774-5-254, yes or no, just texting him. All right. So this is what, Drew, this is what Terrence Ogilby when he was talking about maybe Mark Pope being a little too smart to fix this this year. Go ahead, play. Because he just doesn't know where to be. This is not what Kentucky basketball has become known as. Even with Calipari, at least the effort was there.
Starting point is 00:46:04 He kept it simple. They switched a lot. That's fine. But the effort was there. sometimes when they weren't super talented, the effort was there. Now you're over-complicating things. And I'm tired of hearing about like, he talks about eccentric loads and workloads and work output and all this stuff that requires three degrees to listen to. How about you just play off two feet, communicate and switch, and then make sure when somebody curls, you have post help. Like, what are we doing?
Starting point is 00:46:28 Get back to the simple parts of this game as opposed to sub and three guys in every substitution. It was a very frustrating game to watch. That's kind of where I was at the entire game because these are very simple things. What do you think, Drew? He's not wrong. It's a good way to put it. We know Pope likes the analytics and all the detail, but his guys obviously aren't getting the message, whether he's putting too much on him or he's not doing a good job explaining it,
Starting point is 00:46:56 but they're clearly confused and not doing what you're supposed to be doing. So he should go to the very bare minimum of instruction at this point because any of his advanced metrics and all that is just going in one air and out the other is how it seems when the players are on the court. Ryan? You know, this, we're in almost mid-December. This is when you're fine-tuning things before you get into conference play. And when it's like we're just getting started.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Like, they have no identity whatsoever on offense. I don't know what kind of offensive team we're supposed to be. And this is the time of year where he should be getting ready to head into like your best play going into conference play. When I was a kid, Shannon in Middlesbrill, sometimes if I would make a lot of my classmates mad, I would have people say to me something to the effect of, yeah, Matt, you might be book smart, but you ain't got no common sense.
Starting point is 00:47:45 They would say that to me sometimes, right? Yep. And I think I did have common sense, but that was an interesting way of putting it of, like, you can know all the numerical formulas and all the analytic, you know, charts and all that. But sometimes you do need to have common sense to be able to walk into a room and, like, interact with people in a normal way. I wonder if Mark Pope, just for whatever reason, can't have the common sense to interact with this team. They just don't get him. I don't know that that's true, but, Shannon, it could be.
Starting point is 00:48:19 It could be, yeah. I mean, analytics are great in certain situations, but they don't, they're not the end-all-be-all when it comes to winning a basketball game. You know, they don't tell you a player's effort that they're putting out. They don't tell you if a player's having a personal issue, which is causing them to play bad that day. I mean, there's certain things that you have to take into consideration outside of analytics. About 80, 20, Ryan, yes, of people saying it's acceptable to boo. Maybe more, maybe 85, 15. Is that surprise you?
Starting point is 00:48:47 No, not at all. You think that would have been true five years ago? No, I've gotten ready to say three years ago, maybe not even true, when all the NIL staff was starting to get started. I think people thought it would be unacceptable to boo your own team at basically what was a home game like that. Yeah, but that's changed. And I think, you know, there's good that comes with NIL.
Starting point is 00:49:07 and that may be one of the things you get with more, with, you know, to who much is given, much is expected, and that's probably part of it with this as well. What's next? Todd. Todd, go ahead, Todd. Hey, guys. Matt, sorry to hear about your dad. Hope things get better on that end.
Starting point is 00:49:27 I took off Friday, and I drove the five hours and spent the weekend in Nashville. And I got disagree with Drew. I'd say it's 50% booing because that was really, really intense. But another thing, the effort is one thing, but my girlfriend even looked at me within the first two minutes of the game,
Starting point is 00:49:48 she said, why are you guys not playing with any effort? You guys just look like you're just glad to be there. And then it was the one-arm passes, the not hustling back. And I'm not trying to say this to be funny by any means, but our offense, I've seen fifth and sixth grade teams run better offense. Oh, I agree.
Starting point is 00:50:05 Than what I saw Friday night. We're playing five out. Drew, five guys behind the three-point line, and we don't have anybody that you can shoot. Or drive. I mean, we literally are playing an offense. I appreciate the call that you would play with five sharp shooters. We're playing Golden State's offense.
Starting point is 00:50:25 And, Ryan, we don't have one guy who can make a three consistently, except maybe Colin Chandler. Once we get behind, we become a very selfish basketball team, man. Yeah, we do. Shoot some bad shots. It's some bad times. I mean, Aberdeen's shot selection drives me crazy, Drew. Awful.
Starting point is 00:50:42 But at the same time, there's a part of me that goes, I don't know, man, if you're just standing out there and everybody's just standing around. But, I mean, like, there's a play that showcased to me how much this team doesn't like each other, Drew. Aberdeen drives the pain. He gets double team. He throws up a shot and it goes nowhere. O-Way's open in the corner.
Starting point is 00:51:00 He doesn't pass it to O-Way. And after he doesn't pass it, O-Way just acts like he shot it. Like he does the motion. and it was one of the most kind of blank you things I've seen a player do to a teammate. I mean, maybe those two like each other, but it sure doesn't feel like it.
Starting point is 00:51:17 Yeah, I saw that go pretty viral. I mean, always pretty much just calling him out for not making the pass, which has been a problem all season with these guys. It's that on-court chemistry that they have fallen apart. And on the analytics and Pope relying on that too much, when he says things like, well, you know, Brandon Garrison's our most efficient.
Starting point is 00:51:35 It's like, no, just use your opposite. balls. Please do not tell me how efficient Brandon Garrison is right now. He might be our best three-point shooter though. Watch them. One for one against Gonzaga. That's a huge problem. That does concern me when he says stuff like that, that he's looking too much of the numbers. Like, no one else is seeing
Starting point is 00:51:50 that. No one. No. All right. So now we all know it's awful. Can it be better? Jaden Quaintance is allegedly, according to Matt Norlander, going to return against St. John's. Will that help? And do you think this can turn round. We will deal with that. Plus, I want to talk a little UK volleyball. They make it to the second round. Will Stein's making moves? Are you going to pull for Oregon in the playoff? We will deal with
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