KSR - KSR Postgame UK FB at Texas 11/23/24

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

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Welcome, everyone. It is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. I am Matt Jones. The Cats Looze in Austin, 3417. You can give us a shout. 859-280-2287. The game tonight was, you know, kind of a microcosm of the season. season. Some good moments, some good things, a lot of bad things, bad breaks. Kentucky shoots itself in the foot some, and ends up coming away with a 17 point loss, which honestly, if you watch the entire game, that kind of felt like about what the spread should have been, even though it was weird. Kentucky once again had a first and goal inside the five and was not able to score.

they ended up with a field goal that they missed, but then they immediately got a touchdown on what ended up being not a pick six, but a fumble, and got it right back. So it was just one thing right after the other. Good, followed by bad, followed by good, followed by bad. Cats end up losing. They're now going to finish SEC play one in seven. And a very disappointing season.

I was sitting here kind of looking at the standings. And A&M right now is losing at Auburn. And I was thinking about Penn State and Indiana both lost today. And long story short, and this could happen. If Tennessee were to lose to Vandy or if Alabama were to lose to Auburn, like there's a world where a three-loss SEC team makes a, you know, makes the playoff. And I was sitting there thinking,

Kentucky probably has the hardest strength of schedule of any of the teams in the SEC, just by the nature of who they ended up drawing this year. And like those games, Billy, that at the start of the year we talked about us being able to potentially win, South Carolina, Florida, Auburn, Vandy, you of course lost them all. But because they beat Old Miss, like there's a world where Kentucky fans are could go, well, that could have been us. Now, obviously, we weren't close to winning those games. But it sort of also highlights what a disappointment this year is. And Kentucky probably played

its four best games this year in the SEC against the four hardest teams. This was not their best game, but it was better than they played against Auburn, Vandy, Florida, and South Carolina probably. It's very unfortunate to take this loss. this is not the end of it. It's just an example of what Kentucky's sort of dealt with all season. If there's any hope from the game, it's that Cutter Bowley played well. I think this goes contrary to what I said last week, but I think after today, Cutter should probably start in that final game against Louisville.

I said, you know, Louisville's beatable this year, so you need to play the guy who gives you the best chance to win. I think after watching the second half, Cutter Bowley probably gives you the best chance to win. And I think more fundamentally, whether they decide to start Cutter or Brock going into this Louisville game, I think next year, you know,

the future of Van de Griffith, Kentucky is very much up in the air. Whatever you do, I mean, in some ways, what Mark Stoops is going to decide by the game Saturday might be his decision for next season. I think if you start Cutter Bowley Saturday, you're all but committing to not bringing back Brock Vandigriff next year. And if you start Brock, well, then the question would be, are you just sitting Cutter next year?

Almost whatever you do Saturday is probably what you're going to do next season. So that's a weird spot. But Brock has had 11 games and it's just not happened. And Cutter wasn't perfect today, but we saw flashes. and he made quicker decisions and probably gives you more upside because the reality is he's got three more years. There's also the fact of, I believe, Billy, Cutters played four games. Am I right about that?

I think it's three. He's only played three? He's only played three? He played against Murray. He played against Florida. He played tonight. Did he get in another game? That's the three I'm counting.

Okay. Well, if that's the case, then he's. he could play against Louisville and not burn a red shirt. I thought he had played four, at which point playing against Louisville would burn it. So if he's only played three, then that would take that part of the decision making out. Maybe we can confirm that's the case, because I do think if he played four, then that's an even more difficult decision. But regardless, a disappointing season.

And more fundamentally, going into this Louisville game, Saturday, next Saturday we're going to play Louisville. And then that next week, which is the first week of December, will be maybe one of the most hectic weeks college football has ever seen across the country and here specifically. Right on top of each other, you're going to have the coaching change season, the transfer portal, and signing day is December 5th. So you're going to have a week of a lot of stuff happening quickly.

so Mark stoops whatever's going to happen after that is going to happen quick now all indications are he wants to come back what i would say is i'm okay with that in theory but i need to hear over the course of the next week and after the louisville game a coach who's not just complaining about what's wrong with college football and what's wrong with society. Because that's what I've heard for the last year. Is how much we got to raise money, and that stinks, and we got to do this, and it stinks, and I don't like doing this, and it stinks,

and he's the grumpy old man kind of yelling at the clouds, saying, back in my day, it was different. Well, it's not your day anymore. It's this day. and this day is going to look even more different in a year. And I need to hear a guy who wants to embrace that. Bush Hamden, it's not been a great year with him as OC. I think if Mark comes back, they're going to bring him back

just because they can't have another offensive coordinator. That would be seven years in a row with a different offensive coordinator, six. I don't think they can do that either. So he's going to have to convince him. this fan base, and he's going to have to convince, at least for me as a fan, that this is a dude who sees what's coming and is ready to be part of the future of it for Kentucky. I'm going to admit, like, that's going to take some selling from him to do. And he's going to have to convince the roster, and he's going to have to convince the boosters, and he's going to have to convince the fans, and he's going to have to convince recruits, and he's going to have to convince the people in the portal. If I'm Mark, I sit here and think about this next week,

because it's going to happen quick after the Louisville game. Win or lose. Is this what I want to do? Is this what I want to do? And if the answer is yes, then I'm in, I'll be there saying, let's go. And I'll be doing what I can do. But if you're not all in, then I don't think you should do it. because the last 13 or 14 months of complaining about the state of college football just didn't go to work.

It is what it is. John Wayne is not coming back to star in a blockbuster picture next summer, right? Seinfeld's not on TV anymore. You can't buy CDs at the CD store. This is college football. all the day. If you don't like it, nobody's making you do it. But if you're going to do it, it's time to adjust so we don't have a season like the one we just had. There's a lot of teams that started poorly and finished differently. Florida started what, 0.5, right? Or 1 in 4, maybe 0.5.

They just beat Ole Miss today and they're going to go to a bowl amazingly. Auburn. was awful at the beginning of the year. Lost a cow. They're up 21 to nothing right now in Texas A&M. Vandy lost a Georgia state in week two. Beat Alabama leading LSU on the road right now. And we have seen a season that was disappointing, whimper, and get slowly worse all year.

to where we're the second worst team in the SEC. Only Mississippi State is worse. And we go into a game against Louisville where they had a tragically disappointing loss last week and came back and won 37 to 9 against a pit team that looked like they were headed to the ACC championship a couple weeks ago. It is hard to be optimistic about the future as it is. and for Mark Stoops, in my opinion, he's got a week to get his mindset right

so that whatever happens after that Louisville game, if we beat them like we've done the last five or six years, if we lose at home to them for the first time in a long time, whatever it is, if he wants to go forward, he's got to make a plan of action, be definitive, stop whining about what college football is today and lead Kentucky into the next generation. If he can't do that, then it might be best if we do different things. Only he knows the answer to that.

Tuckie's not going to fire him. I have a hard time believing he just walks away and leaves all that money on the table without having another job. So he's got to decide is this for him? It's up to him. He could do it, I think. but the last 16 months of the Stoops era, really going back to last season, it's not going to happen if that Mark Stoops is the Mark Stoops that comes out of that game

against Louisville on Saturday. 859-280-2287. Love to hear your thoughts on today. Are you excited about Cutter Bowley for the future, Am? What do you think about what I just said? Do you agree with that? Disagree with it? I'm here with Billy.

Right now, Auburn, up 21-9. nothing against A&M. Wow. A&M may end up playing themselves out of the playoffs on the planes tonight. We'll see. We'll take a break and be right back. It's a local toy dealer's KSR post game show. Welcome back.

It is the local toy dealers KSR post game show. You know, sometimes on the text machine, you do get a sense, Billy, of how people hear what they want to hear. All right. Mark Stubbs has been here probably, what is he, has he been here? 12, 12, 13, I think without question, that was probably my harshest segment

during his 12 years commentary about his coaching. Would you agree with that? Yeah, yeah, I'd say that's pretty close to it. I think that's probably true. You know, but it's also how I feel. Like I'm not taking a shot or not taking, I mean, it's just how I feel.

And I get a message that says, you putting your stake in Mark Stoops is not a good business strategy. Don't know how you could say that. Where did I just put my stakes in Mark Stoves? I mean, literally, that's what you took from that conversation. It just goes to show. Like, people will just hear what they want to hear.

Yeah. One person writes, Matt, we've got a fire stoop. There's no doubt every fan I know wants him gone. Every one. Every single one. I don't think that's true. Well, maybe everyone you know. but every fan does it.

But I would also say, you got the money? Because it's a lot of money. A lot of money. And the people that would pay that money are not the people that won't even go. So where are you going to get it? The people that would pay bouts like that, the people that contemplated by paying buyouts like that

with John Cal Perry didn't end up doing. Just think about John Cal Perry. Think about how done this fan base was with John Cal Perry. They couldn't raise the money to fire him. And the boosters didn't even like him. They like Mark. I just don't know where people think, I mean, that's a fantasy world. This is going to be Mark's decision.

I'm living in the real world. You can live in the fantasy world that you could dismiss it. I live in the real world, which is he is either going to decide himself to go, or I guess there's a world where they could do like some kind of mutual buyout, but I have not heard that that's going to happen. Who knows? Anything can happen? But like the idea that you're going to fire him,

I just don't know where you think that money's going to come from. The money tree? Like it's just I don't know where that would exist. All right. Who's up first? Skyler. Skyler. Go ahead, Skyler.

Hey, Matt. Hey, Billy. A couple of things. Can I make a comment and ask a question? First is I may be in the minority. I do not want Mark Stoops to go. I think he's built a good culture. And I think Cutter Bowley stepping in today renewed a little hope for the future.

I thought his swagger, moxie, command and everything was great. I agree with that, by the way. It is a way to feel some confidence after that game. I mean, there was, I think for a lot of people, a sense of, okay, now maybe you have something here. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know where you think the offensive line went wrong. I feel bad for Brock because he's just had no coverage. And maybe it's not that we need somebody really quick, really witty back there.

But I don't know. Did Zach Yenzer just not do his job for however long he was? Is that what happened? I think it's a combination. How do we rebuild it going forward? I think it's a combination of a couple things. And I appreciate the call. I think there are people who would tell you that starting two or like three or four years ago,

Freddie always used to say this. We got away from really giving the young guys reps and developing depth so that when people left, they could be replaced. And then we were probably missed on recruiting in a couple years with offensive linemen. And so we had like two years where our big blue wall system kind of got off track. Then if you ask people around the program, they'll say that the guy last year was a disaster. I mean, that's generally what people believe. And then it all culminates this year where you bring in a couple transfers, they don't really work, you don't have depth, some of the guys that you thought would be your stalwarts just kind of were disappointing.

And it led to a disaster. I think it's the worst offensive line I can remember. I mean, I'm sure maybe during Mark's first or second year it was worse, maybe years past that. but I can't remember a worse offensive line. I remember plenty of worse receivers, quarterbacks, defenses. I don't remember a worse offensive line than this one, especially passing.

Running, it's been okay. But from past protection, this is the worst one we've had. So it's hard to, you're right, I don't know about with Brock. Like, I don't know. But I think, however good Brock is or isn't, it just seemed to me you got a better spark with Cutter. and he's your future.

So like, we might as well go on. By the way, you're right, Billy. He's only played three games. So the red shirt question would not come into effect in deciding who to play. Yeah, and I've seen enough of Brock. I mean, it's time to start Cutter. He is the future. There's no doubt in my mind, at least.

Well, Billy has spoken. It has been decided. You said that so definitively. Well, I, Billy are sports. Yeah. I've seen enough. Who's next? Jimmy.

Jimmy, go ahead, Jimmy. Hey, Jimmy loves you guys. But Jimmy second's Billy's statement. Yeah, Brock's, bye-bye, Brock. But, Matt, really, I'm just so confused. I started the season so optimistic,

so hopeful, got season tickets for the first time in my life. And then, you know, things happen. And I've just got really, really sad. And then we beat Ole Miss. And I was like, yeah, here we go. All right. And then, you know, now I just, I don't even know how to feel anymore, Matt. Well, I would say, all right, so you're really disappointed by the game against South Carolina. We all are. But then you're right. We go beat Old Miss. We go beat Old Miss. In some ways, you kind of get that, you get that game back in some ways

by winning that one, because I don't think most people thought we'd win that one. I mean, the definitive, and I appreciate the call, the definitive, series of the year is Vandy, Florida, all of them. And probably we'll look back and say the Vandy game is the definitive game of the year. They come in there and they beat you. And they beat you right after they beat Alabama, so there should have been no, like, surprise.

And they didn't beat you fluky. They just outplayed you. And you got outplayed for the second time in three years by Vandy at home. And that's, I think, when the fan base said, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. And I think that's where they still are right now. And, you know, we had first caller still support stoops.

Second one, I don't know. But you can't lose to Vandy at home two out of three years. You just can't. By the way, eight SEC games, ten offensive touchdowns. That doesn't even sound real. I mean, that's brutal. Eight games, ten touchdowns. Like, come on.

We're the only Power 5 team in America that didn't score 21 points in a conference game. And you're going to bring the offensive coordinator back? Well, but can you change it again? I mean, you know, it's, and at some point, how do we keep blaming these offensive coordinators? How many people do we have to send packing from here before we stop to start thinking maybe it's not their fault. Yeah, and I don't think they're going to fire the offensive line coach either. They just brought him back.

But do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying Bush Hamden has looked great. But, like, how, you know, we did this to Eddie Grand. We did this to Rick Skangarillo. We did this in some ways to Liam, who left on his own, but people didn't love his second time around either. Really, the only time people have ever been happy was the first year, Liam. And Eddie, the Lynn Bowden year.

Yeah, but people were done with Eddie. And all Eddie did was win. You know, I mean, I was too. I was kind of done with Eddie. And now you sit there and go, Eddie, we won every year. Eddie was the coordinator. So here's one more thing. Five times in the last six games, Kentucky's got inside the five-yard line and gotten no points.

I know. Six times on the year, five times in the last six games. That's brutal. I mean, they, but part of it is they can't do anything on third and short, fourth and short. They just think, you know, we took for granted in the Benny and Chris Rodriguez years that they could just hand it off on third and one and we'd get the first down. And that just can't, we just can't do that. And it's not, I don't think it's running back's fault, our offensive line, the middle. Our two tackles cannot block anyone in pass protection.

And the interior of our line can get any point. push on runs up the middle. And like, what are you going to do? I mean, we're left having to run gadget plays. And we're clearly not very good at those either. So who's next? Isaac. Isaac.

Isaac. Isaac. Hey, I got a couple of things. First off, I'm sure people have seen this stat, but it's the first time since the O-N-10, 1982 UK team that we have not scored more than 20 points in an SEC game. in the season. So that's pretty bad. That's pretty bad, yep.

Yeah, and then whatever happens is fine as long as Eric Olford is fired as soon as the level game is open next week. I think if you get rid of him, stoop stays, that's fine. But it's been an absolute disaster with him under the offensive line. Yeah, I mean, I know what you mean. just don't know if that'll happen. We'll see, but I don't know if that would happen. I'll also note, and I appreciate the call, Boise State and Wyoming, Billy, right now are tied at 10. If Wyoming were to win that game, especially now that Army's getting dismantled, as by the way, I told you they would, Billy.

You know who would get probably the non-power-5 birth? Tulane. Tulane. And if you think John Summerall is going to be available if Tulane goes to playoff, the answer is going to be no. So that's another thing to watch. I mean, we're one half away from John Summerall likely finding his way into the playoff. Not saying, just say. Who's next?

Let's go to Dave. Dave. Go ahead, Dave. Hey, Matt. First time caller here. Who are? What's up? I just wanted to say, man.

I'm just like the previous caller first time having season tickets, thanks to my awesome brother, Jim. And it was an incredible time at that Georgia game, being in that atmosphere and just, it was unbelievable. And I was hooked. And it's been so discouraging to see so many penalties. I lost count this season of big plays and penalties happening and wiping out those big plays. And I'm sure that has to be discouraging to the team, the people that made those plays. Brutal points. I mean, brutal penalties.

Brutal holds. And then today, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have called it because I think of time and setting. They shouldn't have called it. But what is Max Harrison, the senior doing smacking a dude? I know somebody hit you, but like, you know, we'd stop them. They were stopped. They were going to have to kick a field goal. And then they get a first-down score on the next play.

I just want to, I want to believe in stoops. And I like your opening monologue, but is he the coach that can take this to the next level of NIL? and all that stuff. But what's been disappointing is just the discipline of the team and the penalties. And it's been so discouraging. And I want to believe in stoops. But like you said, is he going to be, is he going to embrace this next step? Well, you just ask me, is he going to be able to?

Let me ask you. Let me kind of throw it back to you. Do you think he's able to? Not with the last few months of just complaining. I just feel like he's burned out. I feel like, as my brother said, it feels like cow without the arrogance. And that's kind of how it feels like he's. just burned out. But if he's not, and if he wants to be into this, which, you know, he's the football

coach and he built this program, I just, I want to believe in him, but I'm just listening to him talk and watching how he acts. And I'm just like, man, can he do it? I don't know. That's actually right. You know, he's right. He is not arrogant like, like Cal. He's not off, I appreciate the call. He's not like sitting here saying I know so much more than you guys. but dude you got to be into this like the day you say the day you're not excited to get up and do your job especially when it's a job that like you don't have to do because he doesn't have to be the coach here like why like then why you do it you know um that's i i had somebody in radio who's now no longer in radio say to me the day matt you start

disliking doing it, you owe it to the listeners to get out. And I've always thought of that. I mean, I still love doing it. But the day that Mark is like, I don't want to do this, then he needs to not do it. And the discipline has been awful this year. I mean, discipline's been an issue, the whole Stoops era. His teams have usually been so good and worked so hard that they've been able to kind of get over it.

But it's been this year especially, it's just been terrible. The discipline problems on this team this year, not all. off the field, but just like the way they play have just been constant. And then the other issue is holding, which is really just a talent issue more than anything else. Who's next? DJ. DJ. What's up? What's up, Matt? What's up, Billy? Thanks for taking my call.

Shout out to Gavin last night. He killed him with her high school with him. He's a great, great guy. But with that being said, you know, you were talking about Mark Stoop's selling point earlier in the show. And I think his selling point is Cutter Bowley because he's a young talent. Maybe you go to your superstars, try to get, you know, dang key to stay if you can. I doubt it. But if you can get Barry on a stay, you know, keep people from transferring. Well, let me ask you a question. If you were Barry on, if you were Barry on, would you stay?

Be honest. You're Barry on. You got one year left to play. You got one year to play. You could have gone to college anywhere in America. You decided to come here. You've got Mark, you've got a true freshman now will be a sophomore quarterback, likely being your quarterback. You have the opportunity, I'm sure he will, to go to a top 10 program.

If you were Barry and Brown, would you stay? So that's hard for me because I'm born and raised in Kentucky. But let's say you weren't because he wasn't. So let's say you weren't. He's from Nashville. put my mindset in. Sorry. If I were going to put my mindset in the barion, I'd probably leave, to be honest with you.

Yeah, and I think that's going to be the problem. That's going to be the problem is you're going to have a lot of kids out there who are deciding they have a year left. And they've got to decide whether this is the place. I could, you know, the freshman, if Stoops is all in, the freshman, that's an easier sell, I actually think. But for the senior. and the transfer guys, I just think it's going to be a tougher sell. Right. And then I have one question, too, as well, if I may.

But if we would have started Cutter all year, do you think our season would have been better or worse? And I'll hang up and listen. Thank you, guys. I don't know if it could have been much worse. I appreciate the call. You know, I don't know that it would have necessarily been. It's hard to say.

I mean, like, he's played, I kind of throw the Murray game out. So at that point, what have we've seen? He threw six passes against Florida, no completions, and then this half. So like, I don't know. I will say there's clearly a spark there. And my reason last week for saying play Brock the last two games is he gives you the best chance to win. Okay, now I can't say that with confidence. So now I'm not sure who gives you the best chance to win.

and I probably maybe even slightly lean towards Cutter. Well, if that's the case, and Cutter is your future, then just go ahead and play Cutter. That's kind of the way I look at it. But the reality is if you start Cutter Saturday, Billy, don't you agree if he starts Cutter Saturday, the Brock era is over now? 100%. A hundred percent. I think he has to. So it is kind of crazy.

Like you're deciding who's going to be your quarterback next year. year probably in who you play Saturday. Because if you say you're, if you think Cutter's better to win Saturday than Brock against your rival in a game you could still win, then you're basically telling Brock you're not going to start next year, at which point he's going to leave. So, you know, Brock's just gotten worse as the season's gone on. I mean, I've been rooting for him. Yeah, I think he's kind of beat up.

Yeah. I think our offensive line is awful. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. The helmet communication didn't seem to be. working in the game early on. So I don't know. That's just been a headache all year. Yeah.

Well, who knows? Let's do one more and we'll take a break. Ethan. Ethan, go ahead, Ethan. Hey, Billy Matt. So I got a comment and a question here. I know you say that like most of the negativity towards dudes is probably more on Twitter. But from what I've, the people that I've talked to, I'm a season ticket holder.

The other season ticket holders that I've talked to, there's been quite a few. that have said they're not going to renew their tickets unless there's a drastic change, whatever that may be. Yeah, you know, football tickets, unlike basketball, like basketball people don't like to stop buying season tickets because they don't know if they'll ever get them back, right? Football, you could stop renewing and you can still get it back in a year or two. So I do wonder, like, if people would be more likely to not renew.

And, you know, I don't think that would be how they may. make their decision, but that would obviously be a negative. Right. And then my question is, if you think there was a school outside of the SEC that would be willing to pay Stoops what he would be making now on his contract, do you think that would make him more likely to leave now, or do you think his heart is just set here at Kentucky? I think if there was a good job that would take, Mark... Let's say Iowa, for example.

Well, he would go to Iowa, but that's his alma mater. But take like... Yeah, that's true. So let's take, like, what's an Iowa-like school that's not Iowa? Let's say, can we say too late? Well, no, that's a worse school. So, like, take a Big Ten school that's not Iowa. So take Wisconsin, right?

Let's say Wisconsin came up. And they wanted him. Yeah, I think he'd do it now. I think he would sort of take a fresh, start. But the other thing is, I don't know how long he wants to coach, period. Right? So if he in his mind only wants to coach for two or three years, does it make sense to go start over at a new program? Maybe not, you know? So I don't know. I don't know what's in his head. I think, you know, I haven't talked to him about it. The people I know aren't sure

exactly what he thinks. I think the working assumption is at UK that he's going to be back. but that's easy to say it, but what if we go lose by two touchdowns next week to Louisville? You know, I don't know. Honestly, I almost, I hate to say it. I absolutely do, but I feel like it's best in Kentucky's long-term interest if it's a rough game next week

because it's going to be just like last year. We're going to beat Louisville. Folks are going to be high going into the offseason, and then it's just another cycle. Well, I appreciate the call. I don't think it's like last season. I think it's worse because last season we still made a bowl game. We were making a bowl game even if we didn't beat Louisville.

So we wanted to beat them, but we also beat them there. They were really good last year on paper. We were not. This is different. They're not as good this year. We're not making a bowl game. It's at home. So I actually think this loss would be bad.

And I don't think necessarily we've all processed what losing the Louisville will be like because, be quite frank with you, we haven't lost to them in a long time. So, you know, we'll see. 859-280-2287. We're going to take a break, A&M down 217 to Auburn and driving. Alabama and Oklahoma tied at three. That's a brutally boring game. Also, if Alabama loses tonight, shakes everything up.

Indiana probably got saved to make the playoff with Old Miss's loss, even though I don't know if they deserve it, they'll probably make it now that Old Miss has lost. We'll take a break. Be right back. This is the local toy dealers, KSR Post-Gayers Show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR post-game show. I'm going to try to play this through my microphone here, Billy.

So I'll see how this sounds. Okay. We'll see how this sounds. This is Mark Stoops asked about Bush Hamden's future. Of course, he's going to be about. Of course, there's, there's. There's a lot of moving pieces that we need to get better. So there you go.

That's the comment. Sorry, now it's playing another video. That's the comment. Were you able to hear that, Billy? Yeah, yeah, for the most part. What do you mean for the most part? Like the beginning was a little tough. Well, the beginning.

Yeah, that's hard to hear in the video too. But you heard Stoops. Yes. Okay. So there you go. That Mark saying Bush is back. So if Stoops is back, then Bush Hamden is back.

That's how I would read that. And I mean, Bush, you know, again, you've got to take the coach at his word. He has seemed to suggest he would be back as well. So, you know, that's the thing. There won't be, I mean, you're going to run at least at the top, the top guys back. Now, there have been rumors of Brad White being looked at at Florida State as a defensive coordinator option.

No idea if they would even want him or if that, That would be an offer, but that's, you know, that's always a possibility, too. But at least it seems like if you get Mark Stoops back, you are also going to have the same offensive coordinator. Who's up next? Nate is next. Nate, go ahead, Nate. Yeah, Matt. I mean, there's just no room for optimism right now because, like you said, say if we get a fired up Stoops next year, he's ready to go, he's ready to take us in the future.

Well, we're still punting on next year because we're losing, we're. regardless of the transfers, we're losing half of our defense, and most of them stars. We're losing all of our offensive lines, albeit terrible, but we have no debt. So then you're relying on buying five offensive alignment and seeing if that's going to work. And let me tell you this, because I have it from pretty good sources. If Brock Van der Reyeshaerick is back next year, Cutter Bowley will not be here. And that's a fact. Well, I think we'll know the answer to that question based on what happens starts Saturday, right?

I mean, I think the Brock Cutter thing will be decided by who starts that game Saturday. Because I kind of agree with you. I can't see a scenario where Brock is back and Cutter is back. Now, you know, that can change. People sometimes say that during the year and then it shifts later. But I tend to agree with you that that's the most likely scenario. I think if the staff believe that, then you're going to see Cutter play. That's my guess.

I think they believe highly in Cutter. So we'll see. But, Matt, can you address my first part, though? Like, do you, how do you see us not? Because next year, I believe, we're going to go three years within the last three season, one and four. I think it can be very, see, that's part of my pessimism is what you just said. Our schedule next year is hard.

Okay. I mean, our schedule, it's the same teams, but we flip who's home and who's away, and I think it's harder. Now, you're going to have all the good teams at home, the bad teams away. Now, when you, if you want to make a run, that's not, like, if you had a really good team, you'd want the schedule they have next year. But if you don't, you can easily go 0 and 8 or 1 in 7 and 6. conference.

So that's what makes it hard. I appreciate the call. No, it would be hard for me to be really optimistic. I mean, let's look at the best optimistic case. Dane will go to the draft. I think it's almost certain that's not inside knowledge. That's the fact that he's projected in the fourth round. And if you're Dane Key with all that's happening, you're projecting the fourth round,

you got to go. Okay? You got a ton of guys graduating on defense. And then you got dudes like D.L. Walker's going. So you're going to probably lose seven defensive starters. You know, who's coming back that you're excited about? Well, they got a couple freshman receivers you like. Ferrier, Gilmore.

Will Cox. You got Will Cox at running back. You got Willie Rodriguez at tight-ins. You got some weapons. But offensive line is a massive question mark. And defense, it's just going to be. all knew. Front seven in defense is what would really worry me. A lot of these guys in the secondary have had to play this year to fill in for people. So I have a little more confidence

that they'll, but the front seven, I mean, you're just starting over. And yeah, I don't know. By the way, I told you Notre Dame was going to be sure. I had to turn that off. I had to turn that game off. I told it's 35 to 7. That was the easiest bet. The fact that was 14 was ridiculous. us and you wanted to pick Army Respect our troops, please. Respect our troops. I respect them. I respect them.

I want them to be trooping not playing against Notre Dame and Yankee Stadium. Who's next? Amazing they lost in Northern Illinois this year. I mean, that is a bizarre loss. But go ahead.

Jerry. Because Northern Illinois is not even good. No. They're like six and five and six or something. Jerry, go ahead, Jerry. Hey, Matt. I don't care who you start quarterback. Okay.

Give Cutter Bowley four games behind this offensive line. He's going to be in the same shape of Vandergriff as him with happy feet and scared of death back there behind that line and not playing well. It's until you get rid of these coaches and that offensive line, I don't care. When you say coaches, when you say coaches, let me ask you a question, Jerry, because, you know, you've been calling a long time. I like you. You're negative, but you're consistently negative.

When you say coaches, who do you mean? Hamden and the offensive line coach. So when I play you, when I play you the clip with Stoop saying Hamden's back, what do you say that? What I say is, is I think Stuce has gotten a reputation with these offensive coaches that they're not knock on, he doesn't have offensive coordinators knock on his door. Yeah, I think he did. I think he did for a while, but I think you're right.

I mean, let me say, hey, all right, so we've seen. Liam's done in the NFL, right? And Jerry, Hamden was very well respected. I mean, everyone I talked to, the same people that were telling me when we got Liam three years ago. Because, again, I've, you know, I've met some people through my NFL show who were saying to me, Liam's a great good. They were saying the same thing to me about Bush, which makes me wonder, Jerry, if, like,

if we were to let him go, if he wouldn't just go somewhere else and be really good. Well, first thing I would say is the Mountain West ain't the SEC. And when you're in the SEC, you're in the stock level going against the best place. The only place Liam had ever been an offensive coordinator was like, what, Monmouth when he came here? Yeah, but when he came here, he was able to meet the level.

And a thing that worries me is Liam was the guy that recruited all these quarterbacks. And it wouldn't shock me if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, he's Cutter and Van de Griff left. And we lose some of these guys we've recruited because once again

they were recruited by Liam Cohen and it's just a lot of the offensive play calls I've seen were just bizarre. You know,

you've got an offensive line that's Swiss cheese and you're on fourth and short and you're going to run out of the shotgun you know

and give the defense three yards. That's crazy. I mean, the best play he called was when they threw the ball in fourth and short.

And then Alabama's offensive line last year couldn't pass protect, and now we can't pass for tech this year. What's the common denominator? Well, I think I agree with you about the offensive line coach. I think it's hard to imagine a world where it makes sense to bring him back. You were exactly right. I mean, the Alabama lost a national title last year because of their offensive line, and he was the coach.

Yeah, I sure did. So I appreciate it. Go ahead. Oh, sorry, I cut him off. That's okay. I'm sorry about that, Jerry. Jerry's a good call. Jerry's been calling since the Joker Day.

So he's one of the few football post-gamers that I, that has been from day one. Who's next? Corey's next. Corey, go ahead, Corey. Hey, Matt. I got a couple things here. I tend to agree with the idea that stoops. I mean, he's the best coach we've ever had.

That's pretty obvious. But I do think going into the, this. NIL world and the transfer portal is just so accessible now. You can rebuild in a week almost after the season's over. I think this idea that Stoops is the one savior for Kentucky football is not true anymore. Maybe five years ago when recruiting was a big deal and developing players, but now you can go to the portal immediately. So you really just need a guy that's connected with college football.

I think that's a really good point. And it's a point that is important to make that I did think that two, three years ago. And I think I was right. But I think you're right in that's changed now. Like now you look at Indiana. Like you can rebuild a team overnight. And the thing that Mark is great at, I'm not saying it's replaceable, but you can find another way to do it now. maybe in a way you couldn't three or four years ago.

Yeah, and I mean, with that being said, what really stinks about the way his contract and all this stuff is going to end up playing out unless he, for some reason, wants to go somewhere else or steps down with a pay cut of some kind, which is unlikely, we're almost in a lame duck period here where maybe he comes back for two years

with a little bit of fire, but at the end of the day, in two years, we're going to be in the same situation we're in now. So in my opinion, if there's any way to just start that process now, I think it's better because what is the upside of him coming back for two years? Let me say to you, I don't totally disagree with that. And not only is it lame duck, it's lame duck in what I would argue will be the most important two years in college football in the last 25 years. because as we've talked about on the morning show, the rules for the next 25 years of college athletics

are going to be made in the next year or two. And you've got to be ready because it's going to change. And I think you're going to, this is a year of flux. I think next year is going to be a year of flux. But then I think that next year, the rules are going to be set. and whoever locks in is going to succeed, and whoever does it is going to get left behind. And if you're not careful, you're going to be in Nebraska

and just get left behind permanently, whereas there are teams that can lock into this new era and might create football powerhouses coming up. So I appreciate the call. I mean, to put it a different way, here's one of the great things. There's going to be a lot of negative things about the new. rules in college sports.

Here's going to be one of the positive things. They're basically putting a salary cap in. Now, you'll be able to go above and beyond the salary cap, but I've talked to some people in college football who don't think most teams will need to do that because it's not like the NBA where like Steph and LeBron are so much better than everybody else, like, or were in their primes. Like this is a case where there's a lot of guys you can win with. And all these schools are going to have money to spend.

So it's going to kind of even the point. playing field, but you better be ready to compete in that world and you better be loving that world because it's going to be a different kind of person that succeeds, right? It's going to be a different kind of person, the guy who can intelligently build a team. Think about what Mark's done at Kentucky with basketball. We don't have the most talented players, but he has put together a very smart team using the pieces, using the money that we had. That's going to be college football now.

And we need a dude that's ready to do that. 859-280-2287 we'll do one more and take a final break who's next wild bill wild bill what's up hey can you hear me uh yes go ahead sorry um so i had a bunch of things written down but i'm just i've been focusing on stoops ever since you know the end of the game as far as like where the conversation's going right now but the overarching theme in his era with all the good he's done on defense excellent brass picks guys in the NFL like changed our program been the best we've seen it's offense and consistency and continuity at quarterback and it's been just like a it's like nails on a talk board with qb at uk and he's not willing to like totally get away from his

defensive nature and football and like actually open up the offense and take us to a new level but at the same time it's like with the landscape changing we need money to allow us to do that. Like, he has to change first. And I think we can go forward with money and, like, how we can build a squad, if that makes sense. So totally agree with you. I mean, listen, it's a different world than college football.

I appreciate the call. It's different world of football. Like, guys don't want to play three yards in a cloud of dust. And I think Mark's natural mindset is to do that. Now, he would say to you, I'm not telling these coaches what to do now. He may be, I mean, he may be right about that. But, you know, facts are facts. We just had the worst offensive season in terms of touchdowns Kentucky's had since we were 0.10.

So, you know, it is what it is. We'll take a break. Come back for the final segment. This is the Kentucky Select Chevy Dealer's KSR. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers, KSR postgame show. A lot of, yeah, you know, you get the wrong one. sometimes.

A lot of big time action with playoff implications going on right now. Alabama losing at the half to Oklahoma, 10 to 3, A&M losing at the half to Auburn, 21 to 7. And Boise tied with Wyoming at 10 with Wyoming driving. Does Wyoming have the worst colors of any football program in America? Yeah, I think they're pretty close. If not the year. It's either Wyoming or Minnesota. Oh, you don't like the bill?

Minnesotas are pretty terrible. Yeah, it's just a terrible color. But I don't mean, I don't know why you would voluntarily choose brown as you're going. Brown is the, brown is objectively the worst color. Yeah. 772, 774, 5254. One person writes, Matt, Cutter gives me confidence. But if I thought that Covington or Cutter was going to leave, I'd be done.

Another person says, Matt, thank you for the Paddington. two recommendations. My kids loved it, and my wife and I did as well. Have you watched it? No, no, but I'm thinking about it. You got to watch it. Watch it over Thanksgiving.

Watch Paddington, too, with your family. It'll be beautiful. Did you watch the BYU, Arizona State game today? I saw the end of it. Saw the insanity. Arizona State's coach

seems like an insane man. You know, he was a little too smart at the end, right? He was trying to be, trying to be cute. Rather than just scoring, he's like running backwards and throwing it in the crowd. Here's what I don't understand. A, how is it not intentional grounding when you throw it 15 rows into the crowd and you're not out of the pocket?

I don't know. You got to get past the line of scrimmage. That's the only thing. Wait, no, you also have to be out of the pocket. Out of the pocket and past the line of scrimmage, right? Yes, but he wasn't out of the pocket. Okay. So if you're not out of the pocket, you cannot just throw it 15 yards.

in the crowd. So it should have been intentional grounded. Second, how's it not a penalty when the whole team, when the whole crowd runs on the field and the game's still going on? How's that not a penalty? Should have been. It took them 15 minutes to get all those people off the field. That should have been, so that should have been 30 yards of penalty right there. Should have been intentional grounding, and it should have been a penalty.

Now, they probably still wouldn't have scored. But I don't know, Billy, how they didn't call those two calls. But it would have been a very different last play. If I was BYU's coach, I would have been losing my mind, especially that they didn't call a penalty on the fans being on the field. Not only that, they tore one of the goalposts down. I don't know what they did, like just held it up for the last play. And he's sitting there, Arizona State coach, sitting there screaming going,

how could there be a second left? Like, dude, how could you even know? You know what I mean? The referee is sitting there looking at the replay. how did that dude even, how could he have even known? He didn't have it in front of him. He's losing his mind. His wife is standing next to him with a look like, honey,

you're on national TV. You need to calm down a little bit. It's one of the wildest scenes in the history of football right there. Who's next? JP. JP, what's up, JP? Hey, two quick points. Number one, what you're talking about with Stoops

and how he's talking. The thing about it is, is it's real. I mean, that's why Chip Kelly is an offensive coordinator in Ohio State. That's why Virginia's basketball coach retired. I mean, that stuff is real. Well, good. I mean, like, but you know what? If Chip, if Chip Kelly, if Chip Kelly decided he didn't want to do it anymore,

although he did get fired. But if Tony, like, then do it. You know what I mean? Like, I grant you the set of skills it will take to be a college football coach in the future is probably different than what it was in the last five years. But, you know, sir, like, it is what it is. So you can sit there and harken for another day or you can deal with it. You know what I mean?

Oh, I agree with you. I'm with you. I'm with you, man. I agree with you. I'm just saying it's a real thing. I mean, I'm with you. I mean, but that's what leads into my next point is when you look at, when you look at, When you look at a backup quarterback, the backup quarterback always the fun guy. He's always the person that the crowd looks for.

What I've always looked at is how hard does the guys play when the backup quarterback comes in? Okay. And if you look, this team plays harder when Bowley plays. Yeah. Jesse Palmer said that. Jesse Palmer said, Jesse Palmer said when Bowley came in, he thought everybody turned it up or not. Yes.

What that means is these guys believe that he should be playing. Yeah. And so when you talk about earlier in the season of all of the stuff that goes on, that's part of that, that whole division. That's part of it. That's all I got. Yeah. Yeah.

No, it's a fair point. I don't know that I think there was division, but you're right. They certainly had a bigger spark when he came in. I think that's undeniable. I want to go back to the though the changing thing you know Billy forgive me for just a second but because you know the election just happened one of the things my side says that frustrated me is they were mad or at least whatever like they would about the the way Trump went on all those podcasts right and like like Rogan and Theo Vaughn etc and they were like you know they were kind of

complaining that that's how a lot of people make their decisions. Well, you know what? You can sit there and complain about it or not, but that's just how it is now. Like the reality is there's a ton of people 30 and under who the only news they get is from podcasts like Rogan and Theo Vaughn. So you got to do it. You know what I mean? Like you can sit there and whine about it or you can do it. Like that's just what you got to do.

And I When you fight change, you end up like Kodak and Blockbuster and Blackberry. Or you can be like Apple and be a company that people thought was going to go away and now is the most powerful company in the world. Or Netflix. Because they adapted to change. Or Netflix. Right.

Netflix's whole business model was about to go up in flames, the idea of through the mail. So then they said, you know what? will do streaming and now Netflix is Netflix. I mean, they got this huge show called Wrestlers. I mean, like, that's what that's, they were able to do it. Like you cannot, Mark Stoops cannot sit and complain about what football is. It is it. So do it or don't.

Who's next? Camden. Four more. Camden. Go ahead. Hey, Matt. It's been a while. I know it's good to see you and Billy.

How are you doing, Matt? I'm doing good. How are you? Okay, after that loss, Matt, over the last, you know, over the last three years, you know, it's been unsuccessful ever since the 2021 Centrist Bowl win. So rather than the five offensive coordinator we've had over the last five, probably five years, something like that, rather than, you know, the QB fails with Devin Larry and Brock Van derrick, what, like, how do we get these next future of the 25 years when you call it football roles?

Like, how do we, like, how do we get it done? You know, like, how do we get that? That's a great question. That's a great question. First of all, you get smarter. And you go find people who understand the new rules and who sort of utilize them. You know, let me just give me an example, Camden, on the basketball scale. Mark Poe has, everyone on that staff is really smart.

And they think about things in an analytical way. They brought in this guy who's lived in Lexington for many years, Ron Brown and Stephen Horn, they're friends of mine. They got them to run the collective, and they're doing it a different way than a lot of other collectives are doing it. And they were able to raise money in a quick way, and they were able to come up with ideas. And, you know, Camden, sometimes they don't all work. When you do do stuff, sometimes it doesn't work.

Not everybody loved the blue-white game. That wasn't a massive success. But you try stuff and you adapt. Mark, I think he's got to do that. He's got to get away from the old mentality of like, we're going to outwork them and we're going to this and think, okay, what does this new era need? And I think that involves probably changing some of the people Camden that are around you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like the thing is, though, it's like he, like what you said earlier, Matt, like he doesn't, he's not like used to like, you know, like you said, he's not used to this old stuff.

this was my, like, what you were saying about about the old my face. Like, how can you, like, get used to it? Because you got to get used to it. It's like, how can you get used to, like, the old my era stuff? You got to bring new people in that can teach you. It's good to hear from you, Kamin. I appreciate it. It's sort of like, Billy, I don't like TikTok, or at least I didn't.

I've kind of gotten used to it. But I didn't want to be on TikTok. But now everyone's on TikTok. So I said, you know what? We got to get somebody and bring him in who understands this world. and we brought in Mario. And now our TikTok page has 14,000 followers. We have a couple videos have gotten over a million views.

And it's because, rather than sit there and whine about these kids in their TikTok, I went and got somebody who could do TikTok. And that's kind of, Mark, I'm not saying Mark needs to get somebody who can do TikTok. But Mark needs to get somebody who understands what this new era is going to be like. Who's next? Just wait until he start dancing, too. That TikTok account is just going to skyrocket. I'm not going to dance.

Go ahead. We'll get you to dance. Josh is next. Josh, go ahead, Josh. A diehard Kentucky fan, long-time listeners, first time I ever calling in. Who are? What's up? Just want to pick your brain a little bit.

At what point do we start holding Miss Barnhart accountable? You know, from my view, he made horrible contract decision with Cal Perry. He got bailed out by Arkansas and him, you know, leaving on his own. And then, you know, in 2022, same thing. He gave, in my opinion, a stupid contract to, you know, stoop that's winning, but not really, you know. Okay, so I'm going to do the same question. You seem like a good fella. So I'm going to give you the same question I give when people ask me this.

It's 2022, right? Kentucky has just come off a citrus bowl where we lost that one. but we came off of Citrus Bowl. We had, no, we won that one. We had 10 wins that season, right? And Mark Stoops, Mark Stub's agent comes in and says, give us this, or he may go somewhere else. And we've just come off a 10-win season. Will Levis has said he will return for a second year after one of the better quarterback

seasons we'd ever have. And his agent says, I want to. this or he may go somewhere else. You letting him walk? You letting Kentucky fans see the best coach that they've ever had at the time? Go walk and go to a school similar to Kentucky? I say I let him walk. I let him walk.

I mean, maybe that's what you do. Yeah, but okay, but again, that's easy to say now. Okay. And I'm not saying you're wrong. But I just want you to think about what the reactions of the fans would have been. if Mark Stoops left and let's say he went to Nebraska and he took Will Levis with him and they went there.

What would that have been like? I don't think it would have been great. The amount of the contract is what bothers me. He gave them so much money in the way the contract deals structured with Stoops and with Cal Perry. They have no incentive to win, so they lay down. Yeah, that's not true. We're great coach.

That's not true. Great coaches. Hang on. great coaches have an incentive to win. If you go look at the top 10 coaches in the country money-wise, seven of them are going to be in the playoff this year. Right, like great coaches win. I don't think the guys who make a lot of money just sit there and go,

I don't care. Right. I mean, Nick Saban was making more money than anybody. He also was winning more money more than anybody. Mike Cheshefsky was making more money than anybody. I mean, I can read you the names. I can read you the names. I get you.

Again, it's all about leverage. You say you would have let him go. Okay, maybe you would have. I'm just saying that's a real hard decision to make. If we had won 10 and he walks out the door and he takes Will Levis with him and all of our good players transfer and Vince Mero leaves and takes all our recruiting, I don't think most of our fans would have been thrilled about that. I hear you, and I can partially agree with that.

I think what bothers me the most is it wasn't just with football, though. Like we done it with Cal too, you know. But remember when we did it with Cal? Remember when we did it with Cal, though? Coming off 2017, we've just been to the final eight with Malik Monk and with Deeran Fox and Bam Otabio and UCLA gives Cal the offer. And Kyle says to Mitch, just match it. At that point, he had really only had one bad year,

and we had been to four final fours in seven years. And we were a Luke May shot away from another one. You're going to let John Caliperi walk to UCLA at that moment? Me personally, absolutely, because we're UK, were UK basketball. Now, we're a whole other story of basketball versus football. Well, basketball, it's UK. You know, we're the number one, arguably the number one basketball school in the entire country and always will be.

So you have that option. You can go with any coach you want. I think it is hard, and I appreciate the call. It's good to talk to you. I appreciate you going back and forth with me. I think it's hard to say you do that because I remember when those two situations were happening in the moment. And, Billy, I don't remember a lot of people complaining. I don't remember a lot of people wanting him to go to UCLA,

and I don't remember a lot of people wanting stoops to leave after that citrus bowl. No, yeah. You're right. So I'm just saying, you know, and I would also say about Mitch, he looks like he nailed two basketball hires this last year. None of us even knew who Kenny Brooks was. Mark Pope, most people, myself included, weren't thrilled about the hire, and so far it looks pretty good.

Who's next? Tori. Tori. Tori. Go ahead, Tori. Yeah, man, that was brutal, listen to. Part of the benefit of a podcast, I could just skip through that,

but I had to sit here and listen to that guy. But anyways, I'm pretty mad. I'm pretty mad, as you can probably tell, like most people are. I think you said something similar when Calipari was towards the end of his time here, that I don't think the relationship between Stoops and his staff and what he puts on the field. and the fans, I don't think it's untenable now. I don't think he can recover from it.

Do you think it's that bad? Do you think it's that bad right now? I mean, do you think the Stoops thing is as bad as the cow thing was last year? Yeah, because not for any personal reason or like I'm not an ex-as-and-o's guy. He's had like 15 or 16 different staff since he got here in terms of like just primary coaches just rotating. And he's created this culture of. of oops and it's like cutter comes in in the second in the second half the first play he's sacked for 10 yards the immediate first play he comes in immediately sacked we got down to the one yard line

on a miraculous drive we were on the one yard line and that drive ended up with us missing a field goal from 33 yards yeah i did and we just have to grin and bear it and it's it's like if if we get a pick six or a big defensive play it's it's Maxwell Harrison's giving somebody Wet Willie on the opposite side of field and that's 15 yards and it's gone. Oob! And we just have to sit here and watch it.

And it's weaponized and competencies. And it's every game, it's like the question marks you're trending on Twitter from the Kentucky media just like, what is it? And it's bad. And there's so many people that it's like a laughing stock and it's become a meme.

Actually funny, it's hard. You'd be hard to strip what happened in this game because the amount of times that, like, the center just threw the ball over Cutter's head immediately after a big player. That was a cutter. He should have caught that. He should. He should have caught that. But, yeah.

Well, your point is fair. You don't need to be in a situation where he has to catch it. Why don't you just play normal football and stop? I feel like Charlie Brown, or I feel like Charlie Brown every week watching this team to spend a hundred. All right. I'm going to stop you right there. I'm going to start right there. I appreciate the call.

I appreciate the call. I don't disagree with some of what you said there. There is a kind of an oops, an oops part of this. I don't personally think the stoop situation is where the cow situation was last year, like unredeemable with some fans. But maybe I'm wrong. I mean, it's hard to read, to be honest with you. It's hard to tell.

Yeah. So I think a lot of it's going to depend on what happens next week, though. Losing a Louisville is going to not be good if it happens. But we could still win. I mean, they're very beatable. Who's up next? Harrison, giving a wet willy is a funny visual, though. That is a funny video.

Georgia State, by the way, the team that beat Vandy, do you know what their record is? After having beaten Vandy. No, no. What is it? Two and eight. And they beat VIII? And they beat Vann?

And one of their two wins is against a Vandy team that beat Alabama. All right, go ahead. Last caller, Brad. Brad, go ahead. Finish Strong. Hey, what's up, fellas? I'm going to jump on the bandwagon of the last caller. I'm right there where he is.

We have become the University of Moral Victories. I'm just tired of it. I think at this point, you have to get whoever you got to get in the room, the attorneys, whoever it is, they need to figure out a deal. Well, let's say, let me ask a question, because, again, I want you to put you in the chair of the AD. Let's say Mark Stoops were to say to you What does that sound behind you, by the way?

Probably my kids. Okay. Let's say you were to sit in a room with Mark Stoops' agent, and he said to you, we're not leaving unless you give us every dollar. And then you went to your boosters, your primary football boosters, and they said, we like Mark, we're not paying for it. What are you going to do? Well, that's why I think, you know, these people are getting a lot of money to be in these positions,

and you've got to figure out who and what you need to, you know, come up with to come to the table to get it up. But what if it doesn't exist? What if it doesn't exist? Then what I think you're going to have is that last guy, the last guy that called, and me, you're going to have a bunch of us as fans that probably are going to show up maybe not at all, maybe, you know, 30%, 40%, 60%, I don't know what it is. But, I mean, it's going to financially impact them. There will.

They can just roll out. They can't just roll out any kind of product and just think people are going to keep coming back. Because like he said, it's the Charlie Brown effect, man. I'm tired of sitting, you know, watching these games, and they do exactly what he said. They'll make a 30-yard bomb and the next play, you know, do a stupid, unsportsman-like conduct thing, you know? No, I think you make a very valid point. I appreciate the call.

That's a good one to end on. There's no easy answer because I usually focus on the where would you get the money. There is something on the other side, which is if you roll everything out the same again next year, how do you get people to buy in? It's a fair point. Completely fair point. And I don't know. That's why I am a little bit pessimistic.

about the state of the program because I don't know, I don't know that there's an easy answer. And that's why I said what I said to start. Man, Mark's been great here, and I hope that if he ends up coming back, he approaches this in a way that sounds differently than he's approached it the last year, because I can't reiterate enough

how much this world of college football is about to change. and those who are on the cutting edge, that's going to be what the next 20 years are. So I hope we can get to a point one way or the other that we get there. Billy, thank you very much. We went a little long tonight, but that's because it was a good show. Good callers.

This is probably the best set of callers we've had for one of these in a while. So thank you all. We will see you on Monday. Monday in studio, Tuesday and Wednesday we will be at the bar. Actually, if you are. Wednesday, we're on a remote in glass. Glasgow for Don Franklin. You're telling me you're sending me to Glasgow.

Right before Thanksgiving. Right before Thanksgiving break? Yes, sir. Who made that decision? Oh, it's been on the schedule for a couple months. I thought we were going to London so I could get it on my way home. No, it's actually the opposite direction. You're sending me the opposite direction of my home for Thanksgiving.

Day before Thanksgiving. What? All right. I'm just going to. And we'll wrap it up with that. All right. Happy Saturday night, everybody. We'll see you later.

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