KSR - KSR Postgame UK FB at Vanderbilt 11/22/25

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

Matt and Billy recap the Cats'' 45-17 loss at Vanderbilt.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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if we're all being honest. You can give a shout. I'm going to let you guys do a lot of the talking after this first segment in part because, you know, I don't really know what the sentiment of the fan base kind of is at this point. It was, it's a really odd thing. I went into this game sort of thinking Kentucky had a real shot. I thought for certain it would be close. And it was never close. And Kentucky was really, after the first quarter, never in.

in it. Diego Pavia did whatever he wanted. Produced probably one of the great individual performances against UK football ever. Most passing, second most passing yards against UK since Peyton Manning back in 1997. Made some, a couple of amazing deep throws. But, and he was, he was hugely significant to the game, but Kentucky just in general was, was off, awful. Offensively, nothing. I mean, until the fourth,

until basically mop-up time, Kentucky's offense was non-existent. Defensively, you saw, for the first game, you really saw the impact of having all the guys hurt in the secondary, but, you know, there's hurt, and then there's, I mean,

the first guy that got beat was a veteran in Hardham, way, so it wasn't even one of the young guys playing. It was just a disaster. I mean, Kentucky got completely annihilated, and it's really the first time Vandy is annihilated a team this year. They've played so many close games, but it happened in this one. And, you know, so now you're left in a weird situation. Kentucky was, I'm not sure morale, well, no, morale around the team and the program

had not been lower than it was three weeks ago or four weeks ago, since. Joker Phillips was the coach, which of course led to a firing. And then you win three straight games, and I don't know if people were, you know, gung-ho, but certainly the dogs kind of got called off a little bit, and people were like, okay, well, things have improved. We like cutter bowling. I still don't know about where the program is long-term, but at least it's been stabilized. And I said the only thing that can't happen is to get blown out these next two games,

and they got blown out in the first game. So you're 5 and 6, and you play a Louisville team next week that themselves is reeling that has lost three straight that got blown out today against SMU, maybe not as many points, maybe not as thoroughly as we did, but still 38 to 7. And the, you know, the Battle of the Bluegrass next week, the Commonwealth Cup, I guess, is two programs reeling, two programs with fan base is frustrated, and I guess the question will be which one will end up more frustrated. I was sitting here trying to think of what that line will be going into it,

and I really have no idea. I guess Louisville will be a favorite, maybe like three and a half, maybe. That's just a guess, though. I don't know. Usually you'd have some idea. I really don't know. I would say Louisville, maybe three and a half, something like that. But for Mark Stoops, the Louisville game is probably the difference between a frustrating,

ultimately mediocre season, which would occur with a win, a bowl game where you would get another month of practice, a chance to keep momentum, well, if not keep it going, at least keep the program from suffocating, and a fan base that would be still not happy but go, well, at least we beat Louisville three years or three times in a row on their home field and made a bowl game. A loss, and you get the scenario that we have been dreading since July, which is a five and seven purgatory season with no bowl, no momentum,

losses to your rivals and a fan base that would like to see a change, most likely, and then won't get it. That is the worst option. And it's an option that I think if they lose to Louisville is very likely to happen. With an athletic director that I think is very likely to not be the athletic director at the end of the school year. and so it's kind of a week where there's a pivot where Kentucky football can go one of two sort of dramatically different directions. I don't think Mark Stoops is going to get fired regardless, but I also wonder if at five and seven, especially if you lost to a Louisville team that is now reeling,

I don't know how you build up a fan base in that offseason. So it's a tough spot. And it comes on the heels of a tough week for UK sports after a very embarrassing loss Tuesday to Michigan State. And now a very embarrassing loss Saturday to Vanderbilt. So the women's team won, beat Louisville on the road. First time they've beaten them in Louisville since 2014. Kenny Brooks' team, by the way, is really good. Did you watch any of that game, Billy?

Yeah, I saw him pull away in the second half. We're good. like we got we block like every shot the women's team that's what that's got to be the tallest women's team i've ever seen um and they looked really good today but besides that it's kind of a not that happy and uneasy uh kentucky fan base so a lot on line next saturday in uh in the former papa john stadium and i really don't know what's going to happen 859-280-2-82-87. I want to take your calls, hear what you have to say.

We've got to stop letting Ryan pick in the KSR Parley. We have to. Because Shannon's pick already won. My pick is winning. Western's beating LSU right now, Billy, three to nothing. That's right, yeah. And Ryan's pick is getting annihilated, which was Georgia Tech. He doesn't get the pick again, okay?

I'll remind you, yeah. I have to quit giving him a chance because he's like trying to get every question wrong on the ACT. It's as hard as getting him all right, yet he does it on these picks. 859-2-8027. By the way, before we go to break, I'm sure they're nice people.

But those two announcers by the end of the game, I'm not sure I'd ever, I was ever more ready to stop listening to two people talk. that Mark Jones, who I think's pretty good. And who was the other guy? Roddy, something. They run out of things to say or something? Oh, my goodness.

They said 6-7 150 times. And they, like, were trying to use, you know, big vocabulary words. And Diego Pavi's mom. I mean, that was the most tedious broadcast. And what was weird is the first quarter flew by. So quarters two through four took like four hours. And by the end of it, and I'm sure those two guys are nice, but I was like, I cannot listen to the two of you talk anymore. That was a tough watch as a Kentucky fan.

859-280-2287. We will take your calls. Tough night for UK football. This is the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR post-game show. I would say 20% of the comments on the text machine are about Diego Pavi's mom, which you give you a sense of how often she was on the telecast.

I'm trying to think, Billy, I can't think of a parent ever being on that much, ever. I mean, I, no, I mean, I can't. When I try to think of the parents that have been on broadcast the most, Christian Leitner's mom when she had that neck brace, which is before your time. But her, like with her eyes beaded and like her neck brace, that was on a lot during that run. Donna Smith, I guess you could say during the Saul Smith era, was on a lot. But I don't remember a game ever where I saw. They must have gotten a memo out to them in the second half because they didn't do it as much in the second half.

But in the first half, I mean, that was more than Taylor Swift, wasn't it? It was egregious. It was egregious. It really was egregious. Like an oath and against that woman, I'm sure she's a lovely person. but that I don't think I can ever remember that ever. It was like every play. Yeah, it was way too much.

And Theo Vaughn was there for senior night as well. I think Theo Vaughn thinks he's on the team. What's crazy about Theo Vaughn is he is my age. You know, he's in his mid-40s. Like, he looks young, so I think people just think he's like in college. But, I mean, he is, you know, he's having fun. So I guess that's good. One person writes, Matt, this just shows how bad the teams we beat were.

I mean, yeah, but no, I don't, you know, I don't buy that. Auburn almost beat this Vanderbilt team a couple weeks ago. Like, literally should have beat them. So, you know, we played awful. And Auburn's not good, but I don't think, like, Auburn's not 50 points worse. I mean, you know, that was a good win for us. Florida was a good win for us. This was an awful loss.

One person writes, Matt Cutter Bowley is the real deal. Our coaching staff stinks, but he is a real player. I'm surprised he came back in, but it shows what a tough kid he is. I'm excited about having him next year. I mean, he is the Kentucky football going into the next season. Like we were saying, what are they going to sell the fans in the offseason? He's it. Like, he'll be the whole thing.

because he is exciting. And kudos to him for coming back. I'm really shocked that he did. And hopefully he gets us a win against Louisville next week. Rough night for Hamden, though. Yeah, no, it was a rough night. Terrible, especially the first half, the offensive line was atrocious.

But, yeah, I mean, Hamden took a step back. I think that's fair. And I think his future, no matter what happens with Mark Stubes, Bush Hamden's future probably comes down to Saturday. Because if Mark Stoops comes back and we're five and seven, the pressure is going to be for a move to be made, and they'll probably end up being Bush. Whether that's fair or not, it probably will be.

Unless Cutter Bowley really likes him and says I don't want him gone, and then he might be back. So we'll see. Who's at first? Zach. Zach, go ahead, Zach. Hey, guys. I know, I'm just want to know when it comes to the NIL

and things like with a team like Vanderbilt, when you know, for years, you know, I'm 31 and I've always seen that Van derby. Vanderbilt usually was a game that we would win. Yeah. And we see now that Bandy is paying these, you know, getting the quarterbacks coming in doing that. We got our guy on Twitter doing these things and, you know, comes in and gets that opportunity. If that was an interception for a way that could be, you know, could be swinging for the game.

And I'm just realizing what is it going to be. What do you mean a guy on Twitter? I don't know what you're talking about. A guy on Twitter. What do you mean? Zach Oh, Zach Kausata Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, getting the money and getting things like that

gets his opportunity to come after that and the show and throws the interception. I'm just saying we failed in the NIL when it's come to that thing. No, we did, but we didn't fail because we didn't have enough money. We failed because we spent money on the wrong people. No, no, exactly, but that's what I'm saying. You get teams like Bandy right now. Bandy's talking about going to the college playoff, you know, having an opportunity of finding that way. I'm just saying how do they have a better package?

They don't. And again, you're assuming that they had more money. They picked better players. I mean, I would bet you, and I appreciate the call, I would bet you we spent more on Calzada than they spent on Pavia last year. Now, they probably spent more on Pavia this year because he was. turned and he was good last year. But I'm just going to guess that when Pavia came from New Mexico State, I think we paid

Calzada like one, or I don't know what we paid him. You hear different things. I mean, part of it is we don't really know the numbers. I've heard everywhere from 1.25 to 800,000, but let's just say it's between 800,000 and 1.25. I bet you, Pavia made that or less last year. He certainly makes more than that this year. So we just picked the wrong guy.

Or they came and they coached them up better than we did. I mean, that's the answer. So, you know, it's going to be weird. Going forward with an I.O., this is a unique season. For reasons we've talked about, we won't go over it. It was a double money year. You got the old regime money and the rev share. But starting next year, RevShare, everybody in theory is going to be equal.

of course people are going to get around it but like everyone's going to have money next year bandy's going to have money we have money like everyone is going to have money and how you choose to spend it is going to be huge and right now we haven't done a good job spending our money the last few years who's next runy rooney what's up rooney hey man how are you doing good i can say suck on the radio correct you can, yes. All right, listen, man, I love UK. I love Mark Stubes. I want to keep him, and I'm praying that we beat Little by 40.

But here's the deal. With four minutes in the SEC game, they move us from ESPN to ESPN News to be replaced by ACC game with Pitt and Georgia Tech. I'm pretty sure that means we suck. And if they perform tonight against Louisville, I think Stoops was gone. And the last thing I have to be.

Well, I mean, why do you think Stoops is gone? Like, what do you base that on? You basing that on as I used to say, the preacher said, do you think so or do you hope so? No, I don't hope so. I think that if we get beat 45 to 17 by Louisville, then he's probably going to get fired. But who's paying that buyout? Who's paying that buyout, though? I don't know, man.

Oh, so you can't just say that's the most important fact. Like, you can't just say he. He's getting fired. I don't want him gone, though. I'm not one preaching for him to be gone. I want him to stay. Yeah. I just, I don't know how you, if you get killed two games in a row, that's tough.

And the last thing I got for you is the post-game show before this one, they were so positive. The interview. You're right. It's, listen, they do the, that. That's Kentucky runs that. Is that because the contract? Yeah, I mean, JMI runs that.

Listen, I have a belief, and I appreciate the call. I have a belief that. that in 2020, you need to acknowledge, like, you can't fake truth in 2025. Like, you, the days of you being able to act like, everything's fine,

people have too many other outlets. So I love the people involved, a lot of the people involved, on the official pre-game post- game. Some of the folks, not as much, but most of them I really like. But I don't, I mean, like the JMI thing about like feeding, like they try to create this reality that is not a reality. Instead of just going, this stinks, we have to act like, well, there's some positive things coming. Oh, there's not. And there's nothing positive about this. I mean,

there's nothing positive at all about it. So I'm with you. I've expressed that to them. I'm like, we need to create stuff people that like connects with the fans not this but we've i've had that conversation right now i know billy is probably trembling listening to me say this right now in studio uh wondering what i'm going to say but i'm with you right after i lose 45 to 17 i need frustration and and sometimes that's not what comes out what's next i have no comment on that i knew you would Scott is next. Scott, go ahead, Scott. And there's a reason why I'm not on those shows anymore, by the way.

And it's saying it was probably the last two minutes of what I just said. Scott, go ahead. Matt, that's their loss, totally. Hey, I have two quick questions, and I'll hang up and listen to your answer. Question number one is, for as far back as you can remember, where do you think the NILNCA lawsuit outcome regarding pay for the athletes, where does that rank as far as impact on the college game? Second most important thing in college.

Let me answer that because I do believe this. I think the NIL ruling all of that is the second most important thing to happen to college sports besides integration. I think if you go back and you look at the entire history, integration is the most important for social, sports, societal reasons. but this is second in terms of what it has done. And I don't think it's negative, but just in terms of completely changing what the sport is.

So that's my answer to that. What's your second question? There you go, yeah, you nailed it. So my second question is considering that, if we remember Stoops took years to build our program up to the success it reached at its pinnacle under him, is it possible that this C-change because of NIL and the lawsuit, money, that it will require recalibration, and then is it possible that maybe it's taking

him a year or two to adjust, and that he has the possibility that he will follow the same path and elevate up again just like he did when he got here? Possibly? I mean, you know, I don't know. I appreciate the call. Like, in five years, we're all going to look back. Like, I feel like the next five years, really this year and, like, the next five. You know, they say, Billy, time, like, Tom is, you know,

time is a figment, right? Like, they say with physics. I don't understand physics. But they say, you know, the time space continuum. We're going to look back in like six years. If we could do it right now and look at the six years prior. The sport is going to look entirely different than it looks now. And I don't know what that's going to exactly look like.

And some people are going to succeed. and some people are going to fail. And there's a very good chance that the people that succeed are going to be different than the people that succeeded in the pre-NIsle era. There'll probably be a couple people who are able to do both, but I bet it won't be most people. There are going to be NIL successful coaches and programs and pre-NIL successful coaches and programs.

By the way, just like there were post-segregation successful programs and pre-segregation successful programs and post-television explosion programs that were good and pre-television explosion programs that were good. N. Isle is going to be one of those. I'm a big advocate for the University of Kentucky going forward. We have to position ourselves for the new era. And as wonderful as I think Mitch Barnhart is, has been,

I don't think he is a post-N-IAL visionary thinker for what's coming, which is why I think it would be good for a new person in charge there soon. And with Mark Stoops, I don't know. I don't. I really don't. With Mark Pope, I don't know.

I think Mark's more suited for it because he's like embraced it. But with Mark Stoops, he didn't embrace it. Now he kind of seems like, like he wants to, but then you have all this baggage of 13 years and potentially a blowout loss of Andy and all this. So there's a part of me that says whatever decisions come in these next six months, the AD position at the football coach position, it all needs to be with the mind of the next five years, because the next five years are going to decide the next 20 years of college

sports and what programs are good and all that. And I don't want us to be in the wrong place. So, you know, I think everybody's going to have to decide with all of these people, are they the right ones? You know, and I worry about it. As somebody who's economic and career interest is with UK sports, I worry that we are not modern thinking on a lot of stuff. And I think that needs to change quickly. What's next? Ryan. Ryan, what's up, Ryan?

Hey man how are you doing good um I guess for me I'm just a casual football fan for UK um but just watching them play it's just it's kind of embarrassing to watch them play in the SEC and then you watch other teams and you're like why can't we have something like that even like the vandies of the world there's no reason that we can't have something like that on a football field well there is a reason we don't have Diego popp I mean, if we did, it'd be interesting. Like, like, again, I think Cutter Bowles is going to be really, really good. But it would be interesting to see if you put Diego Pavia like on this Kentucky team, what happens, right? I mean, like, because Mandy, when the NFL draft comes, there's only going to be a couple of Andy dudes that get picked, right? And one of them will not be Diego Pavia. So it would be interesting to see if is it him? I think Clark Lee is clearly a brilliant football.

mind. We're getting out schemed without question. But I actually don't think the talent gap is all that huge, but we look like two completely different teams. Yeah, the last thing I got is just watching Vandy's end game, like stuff

going on, light shows, everything. It's Vandy, and they are so much better that is insane. Totally agree. And that's what I talk about modernization. I appreciate it. I mean, not it's we we are not a modern athletic department football program. I think basketball, we are closer to it.

But football and just kind of the athletic, we're just not. And I think it's got to change. And, you know, you watch a night like tonight, like it used to be, Vandy would be always, well, we're better than Vandy. And I watched that, and I thought about that. that tonight watching the light shows and watching you know i was like man are we not just not as good on the field as vandy are we just kind of as a modernized athletic department are we behind vandy that's not that's not good that you would even be having those thoughts yeah year 13 of stoops too

you're going into the fourth quarter down 45 to three to vandy yeah and if you if you accept my a minute ago about the next five years will determine the next 25. And maybe people don't. But let's just, if you accept that premise, is this the leadership that you think is that group? Are these the visionaries for the future? I think that's fair to question, Matt. What's next? Will.

Will, go ahead, Will. Hey, Matt. I think something that does go by the wayside, talk about the effect of Diego Pavia. is when they brought him in last year, they brought with him his tied-in the last hours. His head coach, Jerry Kill, ended up into the corner to him back. That helped him out a lot with the continuity stuff.

That's true. If you don't believe before the game, he was going to have the amount of rushing cards that he kept having, I would thought we were in a good spot because I didn't imagine him throwing for however many, 4, 56, 4-76, how many yards. That was a bull of a disheartening. Yeah, he had some plays.

Now, he had some plays that I, I think there wasn't much we could do about, right? I mean, Jakey Hardaway is clearly not as fast as that guy. Pavia put him right on, put it right on the money. Probably not much you can do about that. But in general, you're exactly right. You wouldn't have thought Pobby is going to throw for 463 or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah.

And then pivoting to looking towards next week, trying to be as opposite as I can. I watched as much as I could do. My toddler of the Louisville game for our game. And as much as we talk about what we did in garbage time, it did seem like her I've had at least some site, and I don't know if I could say the same. Yeah, they quit. They completely quit. So you're exactly right. Like, we certainly can win that game Saturday.

I appreciate the call. Like, they've quit. First of all, we don't know if Miller Moss is going to play. It is clear that the dudes behind him are worse. All right. So I think they, I think their fans really don't like Miller-Moss. but I think they saw today that whatever's behind them is worse. So you might get a Miller Moss that the fan base doesn't like

or a couple guys who don't look good at all. I don't know what the status of their running backs will be. They did not play. It looks like they've quit. So we should win that game. Well, I say should. We certainly can win that game. So as bad as this was, that team were playing.

playing Saturdays a lot worse. So we do, I mean, we still have a shot of winning that game. We need to do it, actually, because I think if we lose, this program's at a real crossroads that I don't really want us to be in. Is Western still beating LSU? They are. So do we have any chance of having Ryan's pick come back? I don't know.

I got to check the score of that game. It's 2814. Okay, it was 28-0. So now it's 28-14. All right. Well, maybe. We'll take a break. 859-280-2-807.

It is the local toy dealers, KSR Post-Gam Show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers' KSR Post-Game show. So I decided to look, Billy, at the, on KS board on the show thread for this show. Okay. So on KS board, that's like the KSR Plus message board. and first of all, not a group of Mark Stoop's fans, I think it's fair to say. And not necessarily a group of fans, at least of what I've said on this show.

So I'm going to answer a couple of these, because I do think like most of the callers so far haven't been too negative. So I just want to answer a couple of these. One person said, so one person writes, Matt thinks he's back no matter what. So that's really exciting. That was Jay Wilson. I don't, I mean, I just want somebody to tell me where the $37 million is going to come from if we're five and seven. If we were three and nine, I don't think they had a choice. But if we're five and seven, my question for you is who's going to pay that money?

Because everybody skips over that piece. We have one booster who, in theory, could pay that money. And they are very close to Mark Stoops. I don't know who you all think is going to pay it. I'm not sure that I think Mark Stoops at five and seven. it's a good decision for him to come back. But if he wants to, I don't think Kentucky,

I don't know where that money's coming from. Do you, Billy? No, no. But I mean, three wins, five wins. It's the same amount of money. I guess it's just the sentiment. Well, I think three wins, I think UK would have had no choice.

But, you know, James W. that guy's on Twitter. He really doesn't like us, Billy. Is he right us? Yeah. That's what I recognize. Matt shows in the first 10 minutes of the show.

He's clueless about the pulse of BBN when it comes to football. Plus, he isn't going to say Stoop should be fired because Stoops is his boy. The narrative that Stoops and I are somehow friends is always odd to me. I mean, I haven't talked to Stoops in a year. Well, I'm not a year, but probably six to eight months. because, I mean, I don't know what to say to him, because, like, things, we've been very critical of him. Vince was my boy, but Stoops, I like him, but we're not friends.

When he leaves, I'll probably never talk to him again. As far as the pulse of BBN, the pulse of BBN, in my opinion, you have to balance more than just, like, the folks that are hardcore. Like, the people that post on message boards or on social media, we're hardcore fans, all of us. The majority of fans are casuals. The majority of fans, that's the people who pack Commonwealth Stadium, and they are unhappy about this,

but they're not going to pay $37 million to buy him out. And maybe you are James W, but I don't know how much you contribute. But where is that money you're going to come from? in a year where you're going to have to pay $22 million in rev share, you would have to hire a new coach, you would have to, and I think Adam Luckett said there's like $6 to $8 million, you'd have to pay an assistant coach buyout.

So that $37 is more like $45. Where's it coming from? Like, where's it coming from? I don't know. I mean, if you know, tell me, but I don't know. So I think the fans can be like I want to change, but there's a financial reality that's part of it. And that's the part that I think is harder to come up with.

Who's up next? Craig and Guam. Craig and Guam. How are you? Hey, Matt, I think we can come up with that money, $37 million, if Garrett can get his money up. That's true. A lot of this would be Garrett. Yeah, and I think that it's unfortunate that this is the reality of Kentucky's position in SEC football right now,

but we went to a buffalo wing cook off and we took a veggie tray tonight. You did for Billy? No, I mean, Kentucky, Kentucky went to one. Oh, I thought you. I'm sorry. I lost my trade of thought. You're exactly right, although Billy's veggie tray was more successful. And this veggie tray did nothing but kill us our momentum.

I mean, this is a momentum killer for a problem. program that had gotten a little bit of it going. I'm with you, Craig. This is an absolute dud. Yeah, I feel like Cutter was just had his mind on the NBA tonight. I appreciate the call. I am proud of Cutter for coming back.

I don't know if that was smart, Billy, to be honest with you. But, you know, the caller that said, those dudes, Cutter was still playing. Willie Rodriguez is still playing at the end. Those two guys are going to be a big key for the future of Kentucky football. You know, Jared Jeff Piccoro said on the post game, he thinks Willie could be the best tight-in, pass-catching tight-in to ever play here.

Yeah, he had an aggressive tackle late. It's good to see I'm still playing. I would just go to Cutter at this point and ask him if he wants Bush Hamden as the offensive coordinator. I would allow him to make the decision. Yeah. I'm trying to think, I mean, when I think of the best past catching tight ends here, Jimmy Whalen is the one that comes to mind.

Some of the old-timers probably can give me ones that are right there with him. But Willie's good that that's very high praise from Jeff. Who's next? Dwayne. Dwayne, what's up? Hey, Matt. I got about 10 things for you, but I'll keep it short and make it down to three. First thing, I went to the restaurant after the redo, wings, burgers, top-notch phenomenal.

Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. because before when I went, I was like, yeah, these are okay, but now they're like top-notch. Tonight's game, I wasn't expecting a whole lot because Vanderbilt was playing for a lot more than we was. So it was upsetting, but it wasn't that bad. Do you really think you really weren't that upset? No, because as I was watching it, I was like,

As things kept happening, I'm like, yeah, yeah. And, I mean, offensively, we didn't play good at all and defensively. We got burned a couple of times. And it, I mean, it just trickled down. And then that play when Cutter went out and they brought in Calazada. And he threw that pass into the end zone. and that guy was definitely past interference than they never called it. I was like, that could have, like,

yeah, but I mean, there were a couple of those calls. Like, I don't think he got that first down early in the game, and that could have been past interference, but they were way better than us. I mean, a call here or there is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I mean, we got smoked. Oh, absolutely. They could have scored 80, honestly.

If they really pushed the, if they really kept their foot on the gas, they could have scored 80. I mean, I absolutely agree with that. I mean, we was out class tonight. But there was a couple of things that, but no, it really wasn't. It didn't really bother me the whole game, like, because it just didn't. I don't know why, but I just wasn't bothered. Yeah.

Well, I appreciate the call. By the way, one more thing. On that KSR thread, there's people who say, and I want you to speak to this, Billy, that we don't take anti-stoop's calls. How do you screen the calls? Tell everybody in case they don't know. Yes, we have six lines that are open, and I take them in order that I get them.

So there's no preferential treatment or anything. We hang up. We hang up for one. We get another call. So we put the people that are on. I intentionally tell Billy on every show, do I tell you to not take anyone's call? No, no.

Never. So if you are like, I am so done with stoop, success, just call. But like this, part of the reason why I say that the fan base is not what you always, what everyone thinks is because, like, on these calls, this is the most, like, whoever calls is on. Whereas, you know, sometimes in other forms, it's self-select. thing. But I do, I did expect people to be more negative on this, but so far, you've heard the same calls I have. Who's next? And I've been burned in the past. There's no way I'm taking

calls out of order anymore. Well, you deserve that. Yeah. I go, excuse me, who's next? J.L. J. L. Go ahead, J.L. Thanks, Matt. I've taken my call. I got two things and I get off here. What worries me, Matt, about more than anything is I just think if we bring students, spack, we're going to lose a lot of players. And I heard you say something earlier about you didn't think if we got, you know, beat pretty good by Louisville or whatever that they were still, they would still bring Stu's back.

But what worries me more about in anything is you're talking about Willie Riggins, who I love. And I heard you say something earlier that, you know, they was bragging on him. Don't you think that some of these top programs are going to come after him? Yeah, I do. I do. I do.

Let me say one more thing, then I'll leave. Okay, go ahead. How about the kid from New Jersey? I can't think of his name that was playing so well. Was he even on the field or not? I don't know. Who are you talking about? I appreciate you, brother.

Appreciate the call. Who's he talking about there? Do you know, a kid from New Jersey? I'm not sure. No. I'm not sure either. Yeah, you know, the first part of what he said, the kid from New Jersey threw me off.

I tried to answer his first one. What was it? I'm not even sure. I don't know. I'm sitting here going through the Ross. Oh, go after somebody, Cutter? Was it Cutter? Oh, yes.

I think those kids, I think Cutter's back. Willie Rodriguez, I can't say that I know. But kids from Kentucky, right? But will he have other opportunities? Yes, of course he will. I think, again, in this RevShare world where we're going to have, every school is going to have money, including us, I think the dudes, part of the part of what I,

I hear coaches say, and I don't know if this will be true or not, we'll have to let it play out and see. But coaches believe that the fact that all these schools are going to have rev share money means they'll be able to keep their guys who want to stay and give them raises. I'm going to assume that's probably true. So while I do think there'll be other schools that want them, I think Willie will come back. Now, for his senior year, a la Dane Key, might he go somewhere else? Yeah, I could see that.

But he's just, I believe he's just a sophomore. I would expect those guys because they're from Kentucky to be back. I would assume Kentucky will take guys like Willie Rodriguez and Cutter Bowley and make bringing them back a priority. One person on the show thread here, this is Sam, says, Matt, didn't you say a while back that the money was there for a buyout? Yes, when we were under the assumption we were going to finish three and nine. I mean, the amount of people who have, let me give you the realities of UK athletics.

there are only a handful of people who give the amount of money to football where they kind of make the decisions. That's just the reality. Basketball is a little different because there are a lot of people that give money and it's more spread out. Football, in order for a change like this to occur, you're going to have to have a handful of people who are behind it. And I think there had been an acceptance early in the year, especially after that South Carolina. and Georgia game that if we finish three and nine, we can't continue this. But I think after they won some of these games, some of those people who you have to remember really like Mark Stoops, have friendships with him.

It's part of the reason. The reason we have a roster at all is a handful of people. There's only a handful of people that paid the NIL that got us a roster at all. I think those people, and I think Mark Stoops got reinvigorated, and I at that point, I'm not sure that money exists now. Now, if we lose by 30 to Louisville, then that might be a different situation. But yes, things changed from when it looked like we were going to become three and nine. Just remember what it was like then.

We were getting destroyed. It felt like the teams were it was about to quit. We had the Kowzada thing. It's different now, even though today was a huge step back. Who's next? Ed. Ed. Ed.

Ed. Hello. Yes, sir. Yeah, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Okay. Hey, I'm ready for change and let's get a go from me going with the fans. We can make change and that's all.

All right. Thank you, Ed. Cameron Miller's from New Jersey. That's him. He played a little bit tonight. Not a lot, but I think he played a little. bit. The announcers, I believe, mentioned him once. Did you see the pass in the Harvard Yale game that they called a completion? It's online. The ball bounced twice. The ball bounced

twice and the receiver caught it and they still called it a touchdown, called it a completion. Watch the play. The guy drops it and I think it bounces twice and then he keeps running and they catch it and call it a touchdown. And I assume at the Harvard Yale level, they don't have replay. Oh, come on. They don't have replay there? Well, I mean, they certainly have the money for it, but I don't know if they do it for the football games.

But I saw it earlier tonight on social media, and assuming it was an AI, which I don't think it was, it was one of the worst football call, maybe the worst football call I've ever seen in my life. Who's next? Let's go to Rick. Rick, go ahead, Rick. I think it's a second to call Matt

but the only thing I had to say about this whole football deal I've watched it for years is Mark Stute's facial expression throughout the last two quarters was terrible yeah it was he just looked beat down

and then at the end at the conference thing he'd done afterwards he said well cutter bode he's got a good future ahead of him he didn't say our team or anything he said Cutter Bowler would have a good future. Was that in the press conference or with Tom? With Tom, I think it was.

I was. I was listening to. Yeah. Yeah, I don't. I didn't, I didn't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, if he said that, that's, that's, that is interesting wording. Yeah. Well, that's what, that's how he said, cutter bowly has done great. He's come on and come back, you know, from the injury thing there.

And then he said, he's got. he's got a great future head of him. Yeah. Well, he does. I think that future's here, though. I'd be very surprised. I mean, listen. I hope so good.

I mean, anything can happen. I appreciate the call. Anything can happen. Remember, two years ago, John Cal Perry did an interview on a Tuesday, set arm in arm with Mitch, and they talked about how they were going to rebuild the program, and on Saturday he was gone. Right.

So anything can happen. but I would be I think there's a very very good chance I believe Drew and I all put it this morning at 90% that cutter Bowie would be back next year and I think that's true almost regardless of who the coach is because I don't think they would hire a coach without seeing what he wanted so I think you'll I would be very surprised Billy if Cutter's not the coach yeah and I don't think Stoops's comments there were pointed to anything It was just him giving praise to cutter. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 859-280-2-807. We're going to, I guess we're going a little long here, but we're going to do that.

And we will take a break and come back for a final segment. This is the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show. 859-280-2287. The Georgia Tech, it is 2814 pit. I'm still hoping for Ryan's sake Georgia Tech can come back.

What was the line? Do you remember? It was, I think, two and a half for Georgia Tech. You asked me a question right before we went to break and ask it again there because I think it's a good one. You mean right after we went to break? Yeah, right after we went to break. Well, I was just saying that you really do have to walk a fine line being friends with coaches when you have to also be the postgame show host

and make comments like should they still be around. I'm not. I keep saying this. I'm really not friends with. I've been friends with two people. Dwayne, Peavy, who's gone, and Vince Merrill, who's gone. And, you know, there was a time I had a decently close relationship with Cal, but then that ended. But yes, I mean, it's almost impossible.

I mean, I barely know Mark Pope. Like, we've talked a handful of times. But the number one thing is to, like, be true to what. I think, because you can't do this job otherwise. But I also like, you know, I think Kentucky's in a really difficult spot. They have a fan base that has some people, probably a majority of the fans are kind of over stoops. But a majority of the donors like stoops. So you got to, usually it's the other way around, by the way.

Usually the donors are the people that push coaches out. but here that most of our donors are donors because Stoops brought them in. I don't think Billy people think about that. Yeah, but like the biggest football donors. Most of them did not donate to UK football before Stoops got here. He brought them in. So it's just natural. It's going to be harder for them to flip on it.

But we can't be beholden to the donors. Okay, fair enough. So then where do you get the money? money. If you don't get it from the donors, when you're already having to, the school for the, UK athletics used to be self-funding. We actually used to give money back to the school. But now because of NIL, we have to give $22 million in RevShare. For the first time since I've been doing this, UK has had to take a loan, and UK Athletics, I think, took a loan to kind of catch up with all this. So when you say, I agree with you, we shouldn't be beholden to the donors. But if you have to pay a $37 million buyout, how do you do it if you don't get it from the donors?

Yeah, I'm not sure. You can't just skip over that. Right. You can't just skip over that. Like, you have to come up with the money. That's like going, I'd like to buy a car. Well, I don't have the money. You can't just skip over that.

Yeah, you did save yourself a lot of money not having to pay cows buy out, but that's not, you know, money. they're available to you know. But the money was there for cow's buyout if they wanted to do it. Well, then why is it not? Because the donors wanted cow gone. See, I mean, like, that's the thing. Cal had actively made the donors mad. The donors like Mark Stoops. That makes it hard.

I'm not saying that he should come back. I think objectively, I feel like I've said this a lot. I think objectively it would be better for Kentucky football in a lot of ways if there was a change of direction. But I also know there are a lot of practical problems for making that happen. Whereas last year, last year it was a flip. Some of our fans wanted, or two years ago, some of our fans wanted to keep Cal, but the donors were done. And this is just the opposite situation.

Well, the conference pays out money every year, but this revenue share does put a wrinkle into things because that's a lot of money you've got to give back to athletes that you could be using for buyout. out instead. Oh, I think if the rev share was not here, if they didn't have to pay the $22 million, then that's a different situation. But, you know, if you're balancing a budget, you all of a sudden got $22 million added to your budget with no, like with no, what's the word I'm looking for? You had no like notice.

It just happened. Right. Like almost overnight. And I just think a lot of schools are having to deal with that. And the ones that are having to also do that and pay buyouts, they got to have some donor to pay for it. I think at LSU, wasn't it the case like a couple of guys paid for it? LSU is a whole different situation.

But all these schools that got rid of their coaches, they had like one or two donors step up and pay the buyout. And I just don't know if Kentucky has that. Who's next? James. James. Go ahead, James. I'm good.

I think we need more kids like that. Well, I can't cutter. Yeah, but I mean, if we had a team full of guys from Kentucky, we'd lose every game by 50. I mean, we got the best kids from Kentucky, the best kids from Kentucky can compete with anybody. The problem is this state produces like eight of those a year, maybe 10. And some of them are going to go to one or two of them

will be from the Catholic schools in Louisville, and they're going to have dreamed of going to Notre Dame or Ohio State. And so Kentucky, and then you're going to have a couple kids from Louisville who are going to want to go to U of L. So when it all comes out, like we'll get like half of them, which will be like four or five, you can't build a roster like that in the SEC. Well, he did, but the guy that recruited Ohio, they were kind of a guy that recruited Ohio that went to Louisville.

But the other part of it is, like, you have to remember the state, sir, we compete again. Do you know how many athletes come from Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama, Georgia? Yeah. They produce, yeah, I mean, they produce, I mean, I bet you in the state of Georgia, there's a hundred dudes that are as good as the top five or six from Kentucky. That's just the reality of being in the SEC. I agree, but we at least have to get. I agree with that.

Hey, for sure. It takes all that you ought to do it. For sure. For sure. Like, however many 150 of them they are. You're exactly right. Appreciate the call. For sure.

You do. You have to do that. That I agree with. Let's do five more. Who's next? Tennessee up 28 to zero on Florida right now. First half. Yeah, I kind of felt like that was going to be a route.

But Florida played Ole Miss really close last week, but it just felt like Tennessee was going to pound them. Who's next? Joel is up next. Joe, we'll do five more. Go ahead. Joel. Hey, let's make sure we're clear on something. The difference between a five and six Kentucky team and a three and eight Kentucky team

are two horrible SEC teams who fired their coaches mid-season. Are you kidding me? We just got manhandled and embarrassed by Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt. Are you serious? Are you talking about me or are you talking about UK? UK. Yeah, I mean.

We just got embarrassed. We did. And I get it. They're good saying, everything else, but who can I, I don't care no more. I am, I am fed up. I'm over it. I don't care if we beat Louisville by 50 and go to some bull crap, Dunkin' Donuts Bowl. I'm not watching.

I'm done. I don't care. I understand about the money. I get that. Can I say something respectfully back to you? You wouldn't have called this show if you didn't care. You care. Like you, you care.

No, I care because I want to see good, just like that you think. Fair enough. But it's not true. It's not true that you don't care. You care. You know, nobody stays up and calls. Nobody calls a post game show after we lose 45 to 17 and gives what is a completely reasonable opinion.

But hang on, hang on, gives a completely, your opinion's reasonable. But you do care. So once we acknowledge that you care. because you care. I care. So then the question, then the question, then the question, then the question becomes, how, if you were Mitch Barnhart,

what would you do? No, having the set of facts that I've told you and that you seem to agree with, what would you do? I agree. I totally agree. Then what would you do? But how's everybody else doing it? And I get what you're saying about boosters and everything else. Maybe the boosters need to step up and say, okay, we love more.

Hey, look, I'll be the first of the telemark spooks. I'll shake his hand. I appreciate some of the good football. I want to go through this with you, but just take the emotion down a notch and just talk this through with me, okay? Because I think this is a good conversation. All right. I'm putting you in charge. You're Mitch Barnhart.

What's your first name, sir? It's Joel. Joel, you're the AD. You believe that there needs to be a changement. Talk me through how you're going to do it. Well, first of all, I don't know the finances, right? Okay, fair enough. Okay, just like, okay, I don't know the finances.

Okay. So give me an idea. Give me some ideas. Okay. First of all, first of all, let's go through past, okay? Let's go through the last few years. Okay, no, I can't do anything about the past. I want you, let's go forward.

Going forward, I think Mitch, if you got him in church and got him to, like, promise that he wouldn't lie, Mitch would tell you, given that contract to Mark was a mistake. But that exists. Okay, so now what do we do? We got to figure something out with the money. Okay, so how are we going to do it, though? Figure something out is not a solution. Figure something out's not a solution.

What are we doing? So are we going to rely on because we can't find the money? We don't have the money. We don't want to pay somebody out $30, $40 million in 60 days. that we're going to put a product out there with the same coach. But you haven't given me a solution. And that's my point. It's easy to,

I am not saying, I mean, you're probably stronger in your position than I am on it. But I'm not saying you're wrong. But I'm saying to you, just saying what should happen. I'll tell you what, I'm probably one of 20 to 30 to 40,000 to probably fill this way.

All right. So where's you going to hit you? is it going to hit you in a pocketbook next year when season tickets come around? Totally. This is why I think it's a catch-22. I think it's a catch-22. I think you're hitting why when the season started. You may remember, Joel, I said the worst, what's the worst thing that could happen?

Finish 5 and 7. That's the worst thing that could happen. I mean, the conundrum. The conundrum. Think about this game the Saturday. But what if we win? Kentucky brands, they don't really care about this game the Saturday. Well, I, you know,

Louisville fans don't really care about it. Well, well, I mean, you may be right. We know how many little fans are. They're going to have maybe 10. All right. I appreciate the call, Joe. I'm trying to have a conversation with you, man. I really am.

And I, like, you got to go back and forth. I agree with you. Kentucky and Louisville fans don't really care about it. But everybody's going to watch it. But 5 and 7 is the worst for the reasons you just articulated because you're right. A lot of fans are not going to buy into the program next year. But I also don't know if they have the money to buy them out. and so here we are.

You could have like a car wash. A car wash. Yeah, or you could ask like former players if they got any money. Again, this could all change. If we lose 50 to nothing to Louisville, then there might be a universal agreement. I'm just telling you, I feel like I'm just telling you the reality of where it is. I'm not making these decisions. But it's a tough spot because I agree with you.

Hands are fed up, but then you've got to find a way to actually pay for all this. Who's next? Dave. Dave. Go ahead, Dave. Hey, Matt, I've had a quick comment and a question for you. I don't think Mark Stoops is the coach to lead us into the new era for real, because if we get rid of Bush Hammond and we're just rinsing and repeating, it feels like.

But I'm more furious at Mitch, and I'm surprised more people aren't furious at him for doing this contract. I understand at the time. but does he consult with the donors and things when he does these contracts? When he did that contract for the major buyout, does he consult with the donors about that kind of stuff? You know, I don't know if he consults with the donors. Here's how I think of these contracts occurred when they happen.

I'm with you. These cons, specifically the cow, I understand why he had to do the cow one, more than I understand why he had to do this stoop's one. specifically the 60 days part. The 60 days part is where Kentucky is screwed. Now, there's always the possibility Mark could waive that and say you can pay me over time, but the problem is the 60 days part.

The problem is that it's due in 60 days. And how did Mitch let that happen? Well, the only people that have oversight over those contracts is the Board of Trustees and Eli Capiluto. And I think anybody who knows anything about UK athletics will tell you. you that Eli Capilotto kind of trust Mitch and agrees to what he says. So I guess

in theory the board of trustees would be the people who could stop it. But generally speaking, the board of trustees are people picked by the governor. When that contract happened, it was probably half Bevan, half Bashir people. They're on it usually because like either they're big

donors or else they're business people or like, so you know what I mean? It's not people who are kind of dialed into the day to day. so the reality is Mitch probably had very little oversight in making that decision. Okay. Yeah, I'm just, I can't stand that he put us in this position. I know I feel bad for Mark's troops. I appreciate everything he did, but like I said,

I just don't think he's the coach that can take us to the mid-tier consistently and doing the SEC, like being competitive in it. And I hate to say that, but that's how I feel. But I'm just really serious at Mitch. I appreciate the call. I think a very reasonable opinion is to be upset at Mitch Barnhart for that contract because the 60-day provision is kind of, I don't think any other coach in the country has that provision.

How did that happen? Now, there's always a world where Stoops waives that provision, and then they probably, see, if it wasn't for the 60 days, I think the buy-out would not be prohibitive. The 60-days part is what makes it prohibitive. maybe Mark Stubes, if he doesn't want to coach here anymore, says, I'll waive that. You can pay it to me over time. Because if that were the case, they could probably do it. But then he has all the leverage.

The reality is Mark Stoops has all the leverage and all this. He has all the leverage. And that's why, you know, four weeks ago, it was so difficult to see him gone. Now, after tonight, we're kind of, you see where we are. Three more. Who's next? Walker. Walker. Go ahead. Walker. Hey, man, first time, long time. Who are? What's up?

Man, I live down here in Nashville. I was raised in Nicholasville and rough day in Nashville. But, you know, you keep talking about, yeah, right, the money's there. We just keep choosing the wrong guys. Like, other than the obvious thing, don't choose the wrong guys. Who's making the final decision on the players? It's a great question. I think for, I think it briefly. recent years it's been Eddie Grant. In the last two or three years, I think kind of final

call on roster has gone to Eddie Graham. Before that, I think Eddie had a little bit to do with it. I think Vince had a little bit to do with it. And where there were disagreements, Mark Stoops kind of mediated it and there were often disagreements. But now I think it's

pretty much Eddie Graham that decides. Yeah, well, it's got to be figured out, man. But go cats. Appreciate the call. And we just lost our parlay as Haynes King throws a interception that's run back for a touchdown. Ryan. So, Ryan Lemon. I felt good about this one, too, though, except that pick.

But I still thought he was right. I thought Georgia Tech would win this game. Two more. Who's next? Stephen. Stephen. Go ahead, Stephen. Yeah, I just had a question for you.

more on a defensive situation, you know, how Stoops was a partner state coordinator for a while then he came back. And I was just wondering, like, tonight with watching the defense, why he doesn't run a stunt or, like, he runs more of a nickel defense. And tonight with Pavia, he could have just ran a stunt and had this defensive end to run a free safety blitz and then come in and I just want your thought on that yeah I'm not the guy to ask that I'm not you know I I could fake an answer but I'm really not an ex and O guy to be able to answer that so I appreciate to call that's probably a that's probably a question for Adam luckett or

Pecorro or something I'm I that's not my I'm just not I can fake an answer but that wouldn't be fair to you I'll give another one since I wasn't able to answer that one so two more who's next James. James, go ahead, James. Yeah, so I got a question for Matt. Yes. If you had to, it wouldn't be you,

Matt Jones, wants to dops here next year? Do I want him? Yes. Do you want to see this? I think it would be better for, I think it would be better for the program for it to be somebody else. Okay. So do I think,

Well, let me just, let me clarify that because the difference is like that'll get on him, you know, Matt thinks he should be gone. There's, I don't, do I think he should be fired? As of today, my answer would be no. Because I think firing somebody is a different situation. But do I think in a perfect world, it would be better if we started a new regime next year? Yes. So that is the, that's, that's the difficulty for me. I don't think he deserves to be fired, but I also think we need a new coach.

And so we're kind of like stuck, in my opinion. Now, go ahead with your second point. So do you think he'll be here in three years? No, I do not. No. So why not get rid of him now? I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong.

I mean, that's why I want to – because I don't think he's going to be here in three or four years, that's why I think it would be good to have a change now. but do I think Kentucky with the realities of the economic world can afford to pay $37 million today and then go pay another whatever it will take to bring a new coach in? Do I think they can do that? Unless there's something I don't know, I don't know where it's coming from. Now, if you told me, though, if you told me there's a guy out there, a booster, that we have like some oil guy or tech guy that went to Kentucky

that will write a check for $37 million and sign it and walk away. Then I would say, yeah, we probably ought to do it. If we lose by 50 against Louisville, why would they do it then? I don't think they will. It just doesn't make any sense. But I mean, again, do you, let me ask you a question, sir. know who would do it? Do you know who would do it? No, I have no idea.

Exactly. But I would take three different coaches the next three years as long as one of a million students. Okay. You can hire. Still would cost us $37 million, though, to do that. I get it. Who's up next?

Marcus will end it. Marcus, go ahead, Marcus. Hey, buddy. Clarify something for me. You say that three wins. the administration or Mitch, I guess, would have had no choice but to fire March soups, yes? That's how I feel, yeah. Just two wins really make that much of a financial difference where 20,000 more people are going to buy?

I don't think that. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. For next year? I don't think, I think you're looking at it the wrong way. First of all, I think the amount of people, I do think there will be fewer people buy season tickets next year if they finish five and seven. I don't think that number will be as dramatic as you think it will. It won't be 20,000 fewer people. I mean, the reality is that the vast majority of people that buy season tickets will do it anyway.

There will, in my opinion, be some, but I think it'll be a small amount. I mean, I'm not sure what was the difference in, like, what was the difference in season ticket sales last year to this year? I want to say, I couldn't be wrong. It was like 10,000 or so. or something like that. I don't think that's true. I mean, I don't think it. I thought it was like 1,200. Maybe it was 10,000.

If it was, I'll stand corrected. But I actually think it was, it was down, but I don't think it was a massive number. Well, let me ask you this. If you say if it was three, he would have had, Mitch would have had no choice. I think you have to think about what, how that would have been. Say that again. What if the donors said what now? What if the donors weren't backing that had he won three?

Would the school have still made the change? What if the donors weren't backing what? What if the donors were not paying that buyout? I think then, though. So this is just my take on it. You have to remember, think about these weeks when we beat Auburn, Florida, and Tennessee Tech, right? Think about what those weeks were like. Now imagine what it would have been like if we had lost those.

games. Then I think your guess that 10,000 people might not renew Susan tickets would have become a lot more of a thing. There would have been nobody at the Florida game, nobody at the Tennessee Tech game. They would have been booed off the field, you know, those kind of things. Like then it's a different situation. You know, I think you go back to Joker Phillips. The reason I think Joker ultimately got fired was the scene at that UK Vandy game. were you there? You may, I mean, you may have been. No, no, I was no one there.

Right. By the end, it was empty. People were booing. And I think Mitch Barnhart had a moment where he was like, I just can't do this. I thought if we lost to Auburn and Florida, that would be the Tennessee Tech game. I thought the Tennessee Tech game would be that moment. It didn't happen. Because it didn't happen, the UK Athletic Department is so insular.

They don't really hear from the public. Mitch Barnhart has said he doesn't read social media. He doesn't read the media. He only reads emails. Who emails? You know what I mean? So I think they needed probably this public moment of fan revolt that ultimately, sir, I don't think, happened. So that, to me, is the difference between three and eight and five and six.

Fair enough, man. Appreciate the call. That's just my take on it. but I remember going back, because I was just starting, I remember going back before that Vandy game, and I had someone tell me when Joker Phillips was the coach, before that Vandy game, I think Mitch is going to bring him back.

And I believe that year we were like 2 and 10 or something like that, 2 and 9. I think we only played 11 games then. And then that day happened, and it flipped. I don't think that day happened this year. Today was a bad day, and we'll have to see what happens with Louisville. So that's my take on it. I think this situation you're hearing is a little bit of why next week is such a big deal.

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