KSR - KSR Postgame UK FB vs Louisville 11/30/24

Episode Date: November 30, 2024

Matt and Billy recap the Cats' 41-14 loss vs Louisville.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Billy, hold the phones. We'll open them right after this first segment. I guess the way to talk about this is kind of three parts. I mean, we'll start, talk a little bit about the game, and then I want to sort of talk about stay of the program, and then I think we need to talk about what Mark Stoops said after the game. So let's start with the game. The game was a disaster.

It was clear from the opening that Kentucky wasn't ready to play, and Louisville was significantly better. It was 20 to nothing at halftime, but honestly, it could have been 40 to nothing. Louisville twice had drives stymied right at the end. They made a turnover. Louisville should have been ahead even more than they were in the second half. Kentucky got a glimmer of hope when they scored the touchdown to make it 20 to 7.

Defense got to stop. You had a moment where Kentucky could get back in the game and then Wilcox had his second fumble. Five turnovers during the game. Obviously, you're not going to win with five turnovers. Stoops talked a lot about the five turnovers after kind of being the key. But to me, the five turnovers took a game where we were still going to lose and just made it to where we got blown out. Louisville was better. And for a person, if you have watched these games over the years, it's always been interesting to me with the Louisville games because the Louisville is the one team we play that because they're in another conference, it's a good gauge kind of of where we are.

So there have been years where we're in the bottom half of the SEC but still beat Louisville, a team that's usually in the top half of the ACC and you go, okay, well, that goes to show you. Not this year. I mean, if you start with, you know, the year we beat Lamar, we lost the next year, but really start with that year and go on, you can see the decline of the Kentucky football program based on these Louisville games. I mean, we have, we went from three or four years when they were really good, playing them neck and neck, winning some, losing some,

to four or five years where we dominated to now where we're getting dominated. And I would argue this Louisville team is not as good as the Lamar era Louisville teams. And while better than the last few, I think they were just as talented, if not better last year. and we beat them handily last year, and they beat us handily this year. So that's where we are. It was a disaster. And to Louisville, first time they've won in six years,

congrats to them, they deserve it, and they stopped us on our home field. So that's part one. Terrible performance all the way around. And a fan base, by the way, that still, while it didn't fill it up, still showed up, but that's eight straight home losses. against power four teams. Eight straight home losses. You can never complain about the Kentucky fans

when they've had to go eight times to big games and watch eight straight losses. All right, second part, stay the program. Let's assume that Mark Stoops had made no comments after the game. Let's assume we had no idea what the future of the program was, because I thought that might be the case. And I was going to sit here and say this. there has been a massive decline in the program, not just on the field.

Because I could make the argument that if you go four and eight after the last seven or eight years, you say, you know what, that happens, right? Like, he gets a year. He gets a year. Everybody has a bad year. I could make that claim. And I think I would feel good about it. The SEC's good this year.

He gets a year. you. My problem, though, goes beyond the fact that they went four and eight. My problem goes to some more culture parts around the program. We didn't just go four and eight. We had games where we were not competitive. We were not competitive against South Carolina. We were not competitive against Florida. We were not competitive really in terms of trying to win the game against Texas

and then we were not competitive today. We lost to Vanderbilt at home for the second time in a row. I mean, those are not just losses. Those are, the program is not doing what it should do losses. But then you go and win at Old Miss and you play Georgia to one point, which says to me you had the potential to be good, which gets to part two, which is the culture around Kentucky football is broken right now.

It just is. The culture, which was probably the best-selling point, for Mark Stubbs. If you were, if you were trying to say, why is Mark Stoops doing such a good job at Kentucky? You would point to the culture. You would point to his ability to play tough in the trenches. You heard the announcer today say, I'm shocked to watch Kentucky. I think he'd get whooped on the line of scrimbage. That didn't used to happen. And it's a culture problem. and the culture problem is extending way beyond just what we're seeing on the field. There has been a downgrade and what the staff has allowed from players,

from just interactions in terms of coaches, interactions with the administration. There has been a massive drop, in my opinion, in the culture of a program that I thought was a model for how you run a program in the last two years, I think it's taken a massive dip. The players have kind of been allowed to do whatever they want, and that has caused discipline issues that you see on the field, not discipline issues where guys are getting in trouble, like we're not hearing a dudes getting arrested or anything like that. But just in terms of work ethic, ask anyone around UK football.

They'll tell you the guys don't work like they, a lot of them don't work like they used to. They'll tell you that guys are allowed to kind of do whatever they want. And a culture and a discipline that was there for a long time just is not there. And you can blame sort of NIL and all that, but other programs are finding a way to make it work. I think starting at the top, Mark Stoops has let the reins slip. He has let the things he was the, best at, which was allowing a program where players felt free, but also would still show up and do what they were supposed to. That's been gone the last two years. And all you got to do

is ask anybody around the program. They'll all tell you that. Ask players, ask coaches, as administrators, they'll tell you that. And Mark's reaction to that has too often been to basically blame resources. And I will tell you, I have almost zero sympathy for the resources argument. You know, earlier this year, Mark had a very, what I think was a whiny comment where he said, I've had to do this all by myself, I've felt alone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. To whatever extent that's true. That was the whineiest thing I've heard a coach say, a person who preaches personal responsibility to sort of say that was ridiculous. Now, Kentucky doesn't have the resources necessarily that other programs do.

but they have more resources than they've ever had. And my bottom line is there's more talent on this roster than there's been in four or five years. Maybe not than there was the Josh Allen year, but there's a lot. I mean, the year we had like seven guys get drafted. There may not be more talent on this group than that one, but there's more than there were the last couple years. And you've blown it. and you can't talk about resources when you gave your highest NIL payments ever in the last year. You just picked the wrong guys, and that's on you, and that's on the people that picked the guys.

You got the wrong guys. You just did. Now, he acknowledges that after the game, but like when he was whining about resources earlier in the year, that's on you. That's on you. and I think Mitch Barnhart was slow to embrace NIL. I think that's a fair critique. I've made that critique many times. But you know what?

Now things are different. You know, basketball has zero problems with it. And to the extent football has it, you got to look in the mirror. You got to look in the mirror and say, would you give a lot of money to what we just saw? You know, some of you guys out there are, I've done ads for, and I'm sure I'll continue to do ads for NIL funds for football. And some of you've got folks give hard-earn $20 a month or whatever, and that's not easy for people, and you've done it.

It's hard to, but like, do you, does that feel deserved after what's happened? I mean, I get it. I get why people are frustrated. You know, the football fan base is different than the basketball fan base. in a working class person in Kentucky can afford football season tickets. So you get a different set of people there. But it also means like it's not just all blue blood rich people there. It's people who like they have to sacrifice to go.

And you got to give it back to them. And when I hear somebody making $9 million a year, whine about it's hard, I just, I roll my eyes more than I can say. I did the same thing with Cal Perry. Do not tell me you're making $9 million and it's hard. It's supposed to be hard. It's supposed to be hard. And you failed this year.

So in terms of a state of a program, if I'd heard Stoop say nothing afterwards, I'd say, and I've said in the last few weeks, Mark, you need to look in the mirror and say, am I ready to do this? You need to look in the mirror and say, I've screwed this up, not resources, not not players, not you. You're in charge. When things slip, it's on you. You let it slip.

And you have to say, do I want to spend the next few years building it? Because as I've talked about and I won't go into it today, the next two years are going to be the most important two years in college football in 25 years, probably since games started all being on television. I think there are like these moments in college athletics where things changed. going back to, you know, the nationalization of the sport, to integration, to major conferences, to major television deals. And now I think this is the next one, which is the professionalization of the sport. And at different times, every time, different programs have stepped to the lead and others have retreated. And so the question becomes, now that we're entering, you know, change five, Mark, are you ready to be a part of that or not? And if the answer is yes, okay, but you've got to know what you're getting into.

And you can't say like, oh, I don't like this anymore. This is what it is. Which gets me to number three, which is Mark's comments. Now, I'm going to play you. He said a lot today. You know, he said Cutter will be back, that Cutter is the future. He said that he wants, there's going to be a lot of turnover in terms of the roster. I think he had maybe some turnovers in coaching.

I may be reading something into that, but I kind of read a little bit into that. But I think the most important comment is a comment about his future. And I've gotten Billy to pull the clip. He talked about it to the media, but I thought it wasn't as direct as he was with Tom Leach. So here I'm going to play the entirety of what he said because I think it needs all the context.

this is Mark when I don't think he was asked about it well we'll just play this is this is Mark Stubbs have a lot of those player conversations already happened or do they happen tomorrow and the next day you know they will happen in the next couple days so the staff we're getting we already had plans all all week to be in tomorrow to get ourselves exactly on the plan that we want you know and there's going to be players that you know we asked to go somewhere else and go play somewhere else and there's going to be guys that we asked to come back. There's going to be, you know, incoming freshmen. There's going to be incoming portal.

And there's probably going to be some surprises. Let's be honest. And there's going to be a surprise. And, you know, again, we won't flinch. It's not like we're going to like it or anything. If you lose somebody you don't want to, but it's not the end-all-be-all. It's like, you know, there's ways to replace, you know, everybody. And, you know, I don't want to say that about me right now because everybody will jump on

that bandwagon telling me to replace me. Everybody wants to replace me right now, but I'm not going anywhere. My butt is going to work tomorrow, and I'm going to try and be motivated as hell to get this thing fixed and get better. So anybody that's wishful thinking that I'm not going to be out tomorrow is got the wrong wish because my butt will be in my office. And we will, I can promise you, we will attack this off season. And there's nothing fun or lighthearted about it.

But I know, you know, if you can't laugh at yourself for a moment, You know what I mean? And heck, you know, I know it's, I know it hurts. You know, I said it in my press conference. I so appreciate the fan base. They've been there every game, even through today. It's been disappointing. I accept that responsibility.

I'm sorry I disappointed them and let them down in many ways. But we've had a lot of great moments. And I can promise you I'm pretty optimistic that we're going to get back to that. All right. so very definitive. I'm coming back. I want to come back. Even sort of says it's wishful thinking, for those of you that

wishful thinking that I wouldn't, you're going to be disappointed. It was a very Mark Stoops-esque quote. Some of it I actually think is positive. He does in that accept responsibility, but he also is defiant in the, you won't be gone, I'm not going anywhere. And I think Mark, again, unlike Cal, he understands that there's a large part of the fan base that doesn't like, doesn't want him here.

I won't say he doesn't like him, but doesn't want him here anymore. He acknowledges that. But he's also defiant in it and says, I'm going to be here. And I expect him to be here. but for me when I hear that quote you know I don't know I'm not inspired for excitement I think arguing he should be fired is now a waste of a conversation because he's I don't think he will he's not going to be fired and he's not going to resign at least according to him but I also think it's a little ridiculous to say it's lighthearted people with wishful thinking let's be real mark consider and maybe seriously tried to leave here last year. I think things in the last moments, I think maybe he had second thoughts,

A&M had second thoughts, but regardless, it's clear. He seriously entertained the notion of leaving here. And if he had, we would have all just had to accept it, right? Well, then you just got to get over that fans are going to seriously entertain the notion of changing from you. because you did the same thing last year. And you should have.

But it's also understandable that fans are like, you know, I just don't feel it. So I'm left with this, which is Mark Stoop's going to be the coach next year. And I think that's almost certain. I don't think we're going to have a situation like Arkansas that came and got Cal. I don't think there's going to be a program come and get Mark. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I don't think. think that's going to happen. It's hard for me to feel excited by it. I don't think he, I don't think he said the wrong thing. I think he said fine things, but I worry. I worry about

the culture. I'm glad he says it needs to change, but he needs to understand that he is why it didn't work. He allowed a changing. He started replacing. He started making. He started making. He started making the staff his buddies and not just the best of the best. And that's all got to change. We have, I think, at most positions, not all, but at most positions, a below-average coach. I think we have an above-average defensive coordinator. I don't really know what to think of Bush Hamden, but sort of like I don't really know what to think of Brock Vandigriff.

I'm not sure any of it really matter. that offensive line was so terrible, and if that coach is back, then I don't really know how he's serious about making changes, because that was a disaster. But when it comes to decision-making on who you get, they were below average across the board at most coaching positions and most player positions. So I don't feel a sense of excitement about the future.

I just don't. I hope it works out. I think he's going to be the coach, no matter what. I'm going to be interested to see. He says there's a plan for resources. Well, there is a plan long term, which is this $22 million settlement. But that's not going to be in place next year. So are there resources for next year?

Are they going to be able to raise the money to go get players in the portal? I don't know. He would know better than me. Maybe he will. How many of these dudes are going to leave? Is this going to be an attractive place for people in the portal? And then what if Brad White goes? Vince Marrow's had many opportunities.

What if he goes? You know, he talked a lot about continuity on the offensive side, but I kind of wonder, was there an implication Brad might go do his own thing? Well, you tell me, if you were to say to me that we get Mark back without Brad White and maybe without Vince or without pick a couple other people, all of a sudden, what are we doing? So I'm nervous about it. I don't think discussing, though, should he be fired?

I just think like it's been decided. I have the feeling like I did when Mitch and Cal did that TV interview. And I remember I was eating at Skyline when I saw the interview and I said, well, Cal's going to be here. so whining about him being here is really not productive anymore. He's here. Of course, that ended up changing. Stoops is here. He's the coach.

And now the question is, what's this program going to look like in four weeks? And I just say buckle up because I don't know. I don't know what players are going to be here. I don't know what coaches are going to be here. Signing Day is Friday. Their star running back is visiting me. Missouri today that's already committed to Kentucky. Will we lose him?

Like, we have the 23rd rank recruiting class. We've been able to keep it. Can you bring in an offensive line? I'm going to assume Dionne Walker, Berriam Brown, Dane Key, are gone. I don't even know what Brock Vandergris future is. I don't think it's in Kentucky, but I'm not certain he's even going to continue playing football. Who knows?

There's just a lot ahead. And Mark Zupes is going to be the coach. but beyond that, who knows. 859-280-2287. We're going to open up the phones. That was longer than I meant to go, but there's a lot to say. We will take your calls.

We leave tomorrow for our trip. Just so you know, I'm going to go ahead and prepare you. On the trip, we'll give you all football news, but I'm not spending a week on one of my favorite things to do of the year being upset. We're going to be enjoying it and talking about basketball. So get all the upset out today. because I do think we have the right for people to be angry. Let's take a break.

859-280-2287. We're right back. It is the Local Toy Dealer's KSR Post-Game Show. Welcome back. It is the Local Toy Dealer's KSR Post-Game Show. Text Machine lighting up at this point, including people saying, Billy, buckle up, put your phone down, which I totally agree with that, that song.

Buckle up and put your phone down. It's an oldy but a goody. It remains good. One person writes, Matt, we just gave up 41, and you want to keep Brad White. That's your decision, but it's certainly not mine. Here's what I would say about Brad White. I'd say this about Brad White, and I say this about Vince Merrill. If you don't believe those dudes are good coaches, watch them leave and see how quick a major program picks them up.

they both would get like Brad White leaves here he'll have a job quick Vince Merrill leaves here he'll have a job quick is that true of everybody else on staff I don't know I mean I know it's true of those two and there may be one or two others the the what's his name Bufano he may be one I'm not sure but I know those two will So when I say, look, was this a great year for the defense? No, but it was a lot better for the defense than it was the offense.

And the defense dealt with tons of injuries throughout the year and found a way to keep going. You know, yes, I would take Brad White back. And like I said, you don't believe me? Let him go somewhere else and see what happens. Would not shot me at all. They just announced Gus Balson will be the offensive coordinator at Florida State. Would not shot me if you hear that Brad White will be. a defensive coordinator at Florida State.

That's not inside knowledge. It's just a guess. But, you know, so yes, I would, those two dudes, those two dudes are dudes I'm pretty rock solid on. Everybody else, I have some folks I think need to be replaced. And then the others, I don't really know enough. But I do know standards have slipped at a lot of positions. Who's up first?

Cody. Cody, how are you, Cody? I'm doing well, Matt. What my wonder is with Stubes is, no matter who our offensive coordinator is, whether it's Brown, Grand, Cohen, Hamden, it seems that our offense always runs into the same issue. And I think until Stubes reflects and improves on that, it doesn't matter what coaches or what players we have because whenever he tries to run an outside zone scheme offense and then wants to run power with those players, it doesn't want to.

work for what they try to do. So I'll hang up and listen. Yeah, well, that's my, I mean, that's my, that's kind of my view when you're trying to grade Hamden. All right. Do I think Hamden's a great offensive coordinator? I can't say that. But do I think he's awful?

I can't say that either for two reasons. One, we can't keep blaming the offensive coordinators to watch him go somewhere else and see him have success, right? We just, we can't keep doing that. At some point, Liam Cohen might be the next head coach of the Chicago. They may literally give him the number one quarterback rookie in the league at the draft pick, and then we're going to sit here and act like he couldn't do it here. You know, so I can't say that.

Plus, to be fair to Bush, Liam brought in Brock, and Brock is not the quarterback for the scheme that Bush has. So that kind of is what it is. So maybe we bring him back and it doesn't work. Here's the way I'd put it. If Mark Stupis comes back and the offense is as bad this year as it was last year, he won't be the head coach here and Bush won't have the job. So like if he, he's going to be putting his career in Bush's hands.

But I also think you can't have like six different offensive coordinators in six years and things are going to be good. I just don't think you can. Who's next? Rocco. Rocco. What's up, Rocco? Hey, I'm all right.

How you doing, man? First home caller also. Who are? All right, thank you. I was saying, like I heard Stoop say he didn't really matter who the quarterback was this year since they were under distress all time, always. So it didn't matter who he put back there. So it made sense like why he knows he's got to make a change in offense line coach

or somewhere else. He has to change the offensive line coach. And I know it's his buddy. Yeah. And I get that. But like, you can't just. justify that offensive line. And I kind of agree with him.

Like, Brock may just not be the guy, but how could we know? Everybody got the crap beat out of them. Like, how would you even know? You're right. It seems like, though, in the porter, these other teams have gotten a quarterback, maybe not whatever, like Fandy got one, a Georgia Tech got one, and it seemed like these guys have done good, you know, whatever. Well, but Devin Leary, think about this, sir.

Devin Leary is in the NFL. Yeah. Devin Leary is on an NFL roster, right? Brock Vandigriff, maybe he was a bus, but like he almost won the job at Georgia. He was a five-star recruit. Cutter Bowley played a half, got knocked out tonight. I mean, there comes a point, like at some point, maybe it's not them. It's the offensive line.

Maybe it's not. You're right. You're right. That's what I was at the game, and it was like the first. Series, great, fumble, whatever. But then it's like, he just quit. It was like all of a sudden, first down, run, first down run, first down run. It's like he quit.

Like, they just gave up on whatever. Like, he just didn't have enough time to do anything. So it's like they couldn't mix it up, couldn't, you know, couldn't do anything, seemed like. So it was a lost call. I was there. So it was like, it was cold. But other than that.

It was very cold. And if you were there, by the way, you do want stips. Okay. So you're, are you good? Are you happy? hearing the news. Are you at? Okay.

I did like what he said in there. I like that he said, I'm burning, I'm fire. I want to get back to work. I agree with it. I love that. I mean, I think Stoops has done things at our school we ain't never seen. I mean, you've said it many times. Like, no one's won games like he's won here.

It's never had, you know, the FCC is hard. I mean, it's very hard. It's just like next year, we could be that South Carolina maybe. Like Stoop said, that was a good point he made. Like they wasn't in a. bowl last year and then this year they won nine games they did no you're right and i i appreciate the call i think what you said is a good case for it here's what i would are here's here's my only question it's not often that you see a coach have a lot of success hit hit a down hit a valley and then bounce

back up to where he was it i'm not going to say it never happens but it doesn't happen a lot Usually you hit the valley at the beginning and then you build it up. So he acknowledged failure and I appreciate that. Like I'm glad he did that. But it's weird, like will he actually change or will he just say we screwed that up? You know, we got the wrong players, but now we'll get the right players and I'm still going to do everything the same way and it's going to work. Because if he does that, he's going to fail. But if he sits back and goes, okay, this.

was handled poorly recently. Let's start over. Then maybe that can be successful. You don't see a lot of people who are very successful in life do that self-examination. But if he does, maybe. I hope it works out. Who's next? Ryan is next.

Ryan, go ahead, Ryan. How you doing, Matt? The way I said, I've been following Kentucky sports. I'm 71 years old. I see the same old thing. I'm tired of hearing that stuff. I'm going to work. He does the same thing.

He's had, what, five or six offensive coordinators? He handcuffs them and he won't let them do their job. And I'm tired of it. I'm sick of it. They need to find another coach. I don't know how they're going to do it, Matt. But you're the only guy that stepped up and said they got that NIL going. Mitch Barnhart, he didn't want to do it.

Now, Mitch Barnhart made a couple good hires, you know, Coach Pope. I acknowledge how I was wrong about Coach Pope and Coach Brooks, the women's coach. He needs to go. Since Coach Charman or whatever his name was, when he's left, they went downhill. And you're right. Everything you said you've been right about. Coach Cowell, I stood up for him. I liked him.

He treated me good. I never met him in person, but he always treated me good. I met all you guys, you know me. Oh, man, white-headed guy, you know me. And I've been calling your show for years. you're right. And he needs to go. Mitch Barnhart, or if he don't want to get rid of him,

Coach Duckey did to step up and retire or go someplace else. That's all I got to say. Thanks for taking my call. Appreciate the call. You mentioned with Pope and Brooks. All right, so Pope and Brooks were two new hires who, boy, they look good so far. And they both have said, all right, this is a new era. This is an NIL era.

This is analytic era. I'm taking it head on and I'm embracing it. And here we go. And it's worked out so far. It's early in both of their tenures, but they're both undefeated. Basketball's probably going to be number four. Women's basketball is going to be in the top ten next week. Mark Stubes has got to reinvent himself to approach things like Pope and Brooks are approaching.

That's just a fact because the way he did things seven or eight years ago, you can't do it anymore. You can't do it anymore. And the offensive line is huge. As somebody pointed out to me a few minutes ago, they haven't had one successful offensive line recruit, like really successful in three or four years. Not one.

Like really successful. And that's on the heels of when Sharman was a coach, having what, we put like six in the NFL in four years. We put more in the NFL in four years than we had in our entire history. prior. And now since then, it's falling off the cliff. Who's next? Andrew.

Andrew, 859, 280, 2287. Go ahead. So for me, there was a turning point in the season was at half time of the Tennessee game. I don't know if people also listen to this, but so in Susan to get an interview, we walked off the field. He made a couple points to talk about how we were banged up. We were winning the game at Tennessee. Tennessee had missed two field goals, and they had that end of the half debacle, and they also fumbled at midfield.

And he brought up us being banged up. For me, as someone who aspires to work in football one day, that is a loser's mentality to be talking about how we're banged up. We were winning the game at Tennessee, and he's talking about our injuries. Nobody feels sorry for you. You play in the SEC. Nobody takes into the – wow, Kentucky's banged up. I feel sorry for Mark Stutz. Nobody says that.

No, listen, I appreciate the call. It's weird. Mark Stoops has two qualities that are kind of in opposition to each other. He does take responsibility, but then he also makes excuses. I mean, how many times have we heard him say something to the effect of? You can't make excuses. I take responsibility, but. And then, Billy, what happens?

But I don't apologize. But excuse. It's like you. It's but I don't apologize. I mean, I've heard him over the years say in some form, it's my responsibility. He says that. I give him credit for that. He says it all the time.

But do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. That's Mark's thing. And those two things kind of hit on each other. Like, is it your responsibility or is it this other thing's fault? You know, it is what it is. Conference is hard, but you went one and seven. Conference is very difficult, but we came in 15th out of 16th. team. So it's got to be better than that. Billy, let me ask you, because I did all the

talking. Where are you on all this? Frustrating. I mean, it's extremely frustrating. There's no doubt about it. I mean, I don't think you can throw away the past two, seven, and six seasons as well. And you kind of saved your season last year by beating Louisville. So, I mean, it hasn't lived up to standard. But, you know, we get all really mean around this time of the year. We say a lot of things that I think we've been. might regret looking back many months down the line. I mean, Stoops has done a lot for this program. Like, what do you mean?

Just like people online and things like that. Just being really, really mean and forgetting probably the first 10 years of the Stoops era here at Kentucky. But I agree with that. What have you done for me lately? And even though there were good times. I agree with that. People are, people can be very mean. And they do forget he's done a million good things for this school and has been arguably

the most successful coach since Bear Bryant. but does it matter if the sport is completely different than it was three years ago now? Probably not, and that's probably the biggest sticking point. I mean, at the end of the day, like that, at the end of the day, this is not the same sport it was three or four years ago. Yeah, and he's got to show the ability to change a little bit. Indiana going from, what was they, five and seven to 11 and one in one year? Like, that couldn't have happened 10 years ago.

But it can happen now. And you have to, like, judge it based on that now. Because it's a different world. So who's next? Chip is next. Chip. Go ahead, Chip. Hey, what's going on that? I just want to give a shout out to Billy.

I respect that to you sometimes, not apologizing. Sometimes you've got to stand by what you do. I appreciate that. Damn right, Chip. I just wanted to say. All right. That's enough of that. I just wanted to say I was listening to,

Saban and Sark before on college game today talk about the keys to the game. I agree with you, Matt. We need to move on. You know, Stoops is going to be there next year. We've got to embrace it. But we've got to look at what actions will he take this offseason that will make us think, all right, yeah, we're on the right track or, all right, no, he needs to hang him up.

I don't know. It's a great question. It's got to be O-line top-down. has got to be redone. I mean, yeah, your quarterbacks are into rest, but what are you going to do to fix it? Like, you know, from the top down, the old line has got to come back. Because, I mean, the big blue wall, I mean, that's what we're known for, you know. And up front on both sides of the ball, I think we're going to have a hard time rebuilding that.

And then I absolutely agree with you. Brad White is an amazing, amazing defensive coach. And, I mean, but it's hard for our defense with what little. depth we have to play when, you know, you get an offense that can't come out and, you know, run more than one three and out, you know. You're exactly right. We put them on the field a lot. We put them on the field a lot.

You're exactly right. I appreciate the call. I think that's a really good point. You know, you can't, you can't, I mean, we had, when you, when you say, well, you gave up 41 points, we did, and I think the defense kind of quit in the second half, but we also had five turnovers. You know, at some point, when you have. five turtovers.

How many times you're going to ask the defense to bail you out? Like, you only have so many choices, chances at that. So 859-28027. Let's take a break. I have a lot of you saying, talking to me about a video of a player being in the concession line. Yeah, I saw that. I hope that's not true.

That would be, but it's part of what I'm saying. At the end of the day, the culture around the. program to me is a bigger issue than even the offensive line because you can replace offensive linemen you cannot replace a culture culture is a hard thing to build and it's an easy thing to ruin you can take a lifetime to build up a culture and you can ruin it with one really bad day and that's what i worry about honestly going forward 85928027 we'll take a break be right back it's the local toy dealers ksr post game show Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. 859-280-2287. I want to thank all the Louisville folks that are listening, Billy, who are riding me, saying, you beat us 38, 31, we beat you 41, 14. You are right about that. I was thinking of two years ago. So you're correct. My bad. I was thinking of the number.

of years we kind of ran all over here but you're right last year's game was closer i believe didn't louisville had a little little little had a big lead and we came back is that what happened last year uh believe so that was the right that's right um ray davis had we have a big lead and then they came back i can't remember either way uh you're right got to score wrong um wish i could be as perfect as you all and never make a mistake i like the people a lot of people play the video i have uh billy where i said we could go nine and three which uh was not obviously didn't end up happening. You work in the hype business.

You know what, here's the thing, Billy, though, about that video, I take responsibility, but I do not apologize. Hey, hold on. No, I'm just kidding. Like, I mean, you know. Very good. South Carolina went nine and three. Like, it was there to do.

We just didn't do it. But it was there to do. South Carolina, you know how last year we said Missouri had the season we wanted to have? Yeah. South Carolina had the season we wanted to have this year. To their credit. I mean, they went and had the season we hope to have. So that video, I mean, people take that out of context, that video.

I was saying, I don't think we'll do this, but nevertheless, they leave that part out. But I take responsibility, Billy. But I do not apologize. Who's up next? Chris is next. Chris, what's up, Chris? Hey, Matt, just think about when Coach Polk came on board, he would talk about entitlement. versus gratitude.

And I think Coach Dupes needs to listen to that and take that to heart. The other thing I'll say is when we talk about culture of a program, when we talk about these things, and life's not easy, but disorder in a man's life can impact a lot of areas. And I just think we've got to write the ship, and it's been a tough season. It's been a very tough season. And you're right. I mean, that's exactly right.

and the entitlement versus gratitude, I think, is a good... Are you suggesting, sir, with that, when it comes to stoops or when it comes to the fans? I'm with stoops. Stoops. I agree with you. I agree with that. I mean, I think there has been a sense of, you know, when I, I will say, I didn't

feel this about his quotes today, but his quotes earlier in the year, there was a lot of entitlement, I think, in what he said, right? Yeah, but I always hated a pony up. I always hated it. I did, too. I hate that. I'm out here on an island. I hated that.

And I'll even say today, even though I don't want to pick on him because 80 to 90% of what he said I thought was good. But then he also threw in there, I've done stuff nobody else here has. Like, we know. You don't need to tell us. I know that. But let me put it like this. I love Mark, but there's a lot of people that could go four and eight here. There's a lot of guys who could go four and eight.

we've had a lot of them. So appreciate the call. Now, I don't think there's many guys who could go 10 and 3. There's a lot of dudes who can go 4 and 8. So let's get back to where we're competing for those 10 and 3s. But the 4 and 8, you know, I don't know that that's the time to talk about all that we've done. It's sort of like, remember when we were talking about Cal, I would say anyone who argues 2010 to 2020 Cal was not good is a goober. He was amazing.

But the question is, going forward, anybody who argues that the run Stoops had from really year three to about year 10 wasn't great, I think they don't understand Kentucky football. But the question is, what's next year going to be like? You know, Kodak was once a great company. The question is, what do you do now? That's the question for me going forward. Who's next? Jerry.

Jerry, go ahead, Jerry. Walker has went. And another thing is, Stoots cannot bring him back, Matt. I mean, I hate to be. Why? I mean, do you blame? I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Do you blame the offensive coordinator for how bad the offensive line is? I mean, he didn't recruit to players. By the time he got here, they were all already selected. Like, do you blame him for it? No, I don't, I don't blame him. I'm not a big fan of the offensive. flying coach that they got from, that came here from Alabama.

It's a lot easier to watch it live when it is on TV. And I sat there and watch and Dion Walker, not just damn, just take play after play after playoff. And Brown, all he wants to do,

that he's not getting, you need to try to work a little bit of a flask printer, but all you want to do is just stop and start pointing fingers. And he did it today twice, two different times. Yeah. No, I mean, well, you don't have to,

neither one of those guys is going to be here. Yeah, neither one of those guys are going to be here, year. I mean, you're right. I mean, Dion. I'm sorry, you're probably right, but I'm just like everybody else. I cannot stand the thought of us getting smacked down against Louisville like we did today. And at the end of the day, I just don't think the effort was it. I think when the kick got the ball ripped out of his hand on the guy, I think that took the air right out of everything. I totally agree with you. I appreciate the call.

I think that was a huge play. He just got the ball taken from it, just literally taken out of his hands. You know, Barryman Brown and Dion Walker, both Uber talented. guys, both of them without question, did not work hard this year. And Dion is a physical force, the likes of which we may never see here again. I mean, we may never have anyone built like him again at this school. But he didn't work hard this year. He just didn't. And he took plays off.

And he's so good that he could take plays off and still be effective. But like the dominance that he had some last year, it didn't happen because of those. When he decided to, he could still be. be dominant, but he didn't do it consistently. And then Barron, you know, I talked about this with Lynn Bowden. You know, Lynn Bowden, he took a lot of shortcuts off the field. But when he got on the field, his teammates knew that dude's going to give us everything we have. And it gave him a lot of leeway with the coaches, but it also gave him a lot of leeway with his teammates. I don't think they like some of the stuff Lynn would do, but they'd be like, well, when we lace them up,

Lynn's going to be there. I think Berion's done some of that stuff, but without the on-the-field lacing them up and going be there. And that's a recipe for negativity. And Dion came into this season as a potential top five pick, and now he's not in the first round. And that's on him. Like, he has to deal with that.

That was him. That's not, he made that decision. You know, he'll still make the league. He'll probably be, he might still be a first round pick, but he could have been a top five pick, and that was him that didn't make that happen. Who's next? Don.

Don. What's up? Hey, man. How are doing? Doing good. Hey, first time, a long time. Who are? I just want to take you back in time.

You got Benny and C-Rod and Cash and those guys. From a culture standpoint, I mean, Stoops was just on top of the world. I mean, it was lunch pale. It was bringing lunch to work. It was a hard hat type mentality. I just want to know just how that's going to change, you know, moving forward. I just don't know if you're going to, you're getting a clean house from a roster standpoint.

And I just want to know. I don't know. That's a great question. He has to answer, right? Like, he has to answer that. I mean, part of it, it's who you bring in, right? You know, I think they brought in a couple of, I think they brought in some people from the portal that just didn't have the work ethic. And I think that hurt.

And then, you know, they haven't developed some of the guys, especially when it comes to the offensive line. No, you're right. I'd like to hear him answer that question. I'd like to hear him directly address the culture. It's a kind of a cow situation where you're kind of held hostage. And, you know, you've got Summerall out there. And I get it. You know, Summerall might have bigger and better things planned.

But if you miss this window of opportunity, I mean, are we just kind of going to go through? Whoa. That's up to Mark, right? Like, that's up to Mark. Like, Mark's the only one who can change in his. this. This is all up to him. Like, he's ultimately going to be the one. I think, and I appreciate the call, I think the first thing you have to do,

and he says, he said, we're going to go through the roster and see who we have and who we don't. They got to get some of that out of there. But I don't think that fixes everything. Okay. I don't think these dudes we have are all bad guys. Maybe a couple of them were, but most of them probably weren't. A lot of it's the culture that you set with the coaching staff and with the, you know, I just saw Stanford's bringing in.

Andrew Luck is the GM of their football program. I don't know if Andrew Luck will be good at that or not, but I do know that anybody you hear talk about Andrew Luck says he's one of the smartest guys they've ever met, said he worked harder than anybody they've ever seen. Okay, that's a dude I'd kind of like to have in a GM position. A really smart guy of a name value who works really hard. I'm not even sure who our GM is. Do we have a GM?

I don't know. I think in football you've got to have one at this point. I mean, you got to have one. You might even need one at basketball, but you've got to have one in football. There's 300 people you're looking at. So do we have someone like that? Are they looking at culture when they pick guys? I don't know.

You know, I don't know the answer to that. So Mark's got to answer those questions. I'm not around enough to know. Who's next? Jimmy. Jimmy, what's up, Jimmy? Hey, guys. I guess the biggest thing that stood out to me today is,

I went to Austin last weekend, and I watched the UK be pretty competitive with one of the top teams in the nation. And today, it's night and day. Like, I just that and, you know, everything with the end of the season, it's just, I don't know. Like, like, I just heard the quote from Stoops that you guys played a little bit ago. I'm just, you know, my thing is just show me. Like, like, the offensive. has been abysmal. But I wasn't surprised, just by the way, I don't know if you heard the pregame show.

I mean, I picked against Kentucky for the first time against Louisville in 15 years. I pick them even when I don't think it just because I don't want to pick Louisville. I thought we were going to get crushed, and we did. I said by three, but if I was being honest, I thought we were going to get crushed. I saw this coming a mile away. I just talking to people this week. I saw this coming. Right.

And another thing I'd like to add, you know, I really hope Cutter is the answer. It's just, you know, can we talk about Mark Stoops and developing quarterbacks and the lack thereof? Like, I hate to be the guy. We haven't. We haven't developed a quarterback out of high school yet. You know, I mean, you go, you go, Terry, what you got, you go Stephen Johnson. Terry Wilson, Yep.

Will Levis, Devin Leary, and now Brock. We haven't developed a whole quarterback out of high school ever. So I hope, I hope that's the truth, though, isn't it? Like, I mean, he's, we haven't. We haven't developed one yet. So, I mean, Cutter is hopefully the exception. And they got another good guy coming in and Stone Saunders.

So, I mean, they've got a chance. But the reality is the success we've had at quarterback has all been guys transferring in. And my last thing, I'll let you guys get. The one, like, I guess, positive stat I can look for is McLean today. What a waste we've had in this kid. No one. Oh, man.

What a waste. But it's basketball season, fellas. Appreciate to call. I'm with you. I mean, what a, you watch Macklin today and you go, how did he not get the ball more? I mean, I think if they had it to do over again, they'd probably sit there and say, you know what? It should have been Dane and Mackle. That's probably what they'd say.

But Berion has such talent that you almost can't help but go, but man, I could make that work. And I think if you look back and you go, if we had done Macklin on the targets we used with Berion all the time, yeah, maybe we wouldn't have had the one or two super plays, but maybe it would have been more consistent. overall. Let's do one more and we'll take the final break. Who's next? George and Lincoln. George, go ahead, George. First time callers, long time listeners. Who are? What's up, George? Hey. We would like to have some advice of how to respond from our U.S. friends and all their

trash talk. Yeah, that's going to be tough. You know, one of the things about when you have friends and you trash talk with your friends is sometimes, George, you just got to, you just got to it. Like sometimes you just got to say you got us on that one. And then you save it up and you remember all the times that they make jokes, George, you keep it in the back of your mind. And then when it comes time, you get them back. But you also have to acknowledge sometimes they get you. And if you try to, you know, if you try to win when you've lost, you just end up looking bad. So what I would say is how old are you, George? 10. You're 10 years old. You're 10 years old.

Yeah. So you should say since you all started going to school in football and basketball, you know, the total amount of wins Louisville has since you've been in school? One. How many? One. So you add up all the ones we've won and you say, you know what? I am nice.

I'm George. I'm giving to my fellow friends. And I wanted to give you one because I already have 11. And I'm going to win the next 11. So you say that, okay, George? Okay. I appreciate it. All right.

I appreciate the call, George. How about, there you go. Wow. Matt, parenting a little bit here on the post game show. You actually think I couldn't be a parent. Everybody's like, oh, you can't be a parent. I can be a parent. You know, I mean, I just haven't yet.

Until they start screaming. Yeah, when they scream, then I would give them to somebody. Yeah. 859-28027. We'll take a break. Come back. Final segment. It is the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show.

Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR post game show. 859-280-2-8027 final segment. The Louisville fans just keep, they pull out another video I did, Billy, where I said Louisville, why is Louisville ranked ahead of us? They never beat us. Oh. Yeah, but I can't do that one this year because they did beat us.

Yeah, I mean, we lost. What are you going to do? But one person writes, Matt. You did say you thought we're going to lose. Did you end up betting Louisville? I did. I even altered the line a little of a little bit. I thought they were going to kill us.

I did. I just, you know, I didn't like the vibes. And it got out of hand quick. It could have been worse. Like it really, I mean, it could have been worse. Like, they could have been up 35 nothing half time. And then. But what's weird is we had a moment, right?

It was 20 to 7. We had the ball. and then he just, Wilcox fumbled it again. And then I don't think they played him again after that. So two fumbles, that'll do it to you. All right, who's up next? Zach.

Zach, what's up, Zach? Zach, go ahead. Hello? Can you hear us? Yes. Hey, so my biggest thing with this year and with Stoots, what I'm worried about, I don't like his attitude with the, I'm coming back,

and the way he says, it kind of talking down to the fans, I feel like. And my biggest thing is he's stubborn, he's turning to Cal Perry. And if he comes back, I'm worried that we'll miss out on John Summerall. He's going to get a big coaching job somewhere else. And I keep hearing the, well, he's owed a down year. It's fine. This isn't a down year.

This is the last three years have been trending downwards. and this is just the worst out of the three. And I'm tired of it. I don't know what we've got to do to get rid of them. So, yeah, what would you do? I mean, I guess ultimately that's the question. Let's say you are the AD. What would you do?

I don't know. I put up a billboard in Lexington and raise some money and get rid of them, I guess. I don't know. I don't think that's going to work. I mean, I don't really, I mean, there comes a point where it's like, I don't know that you have a choice but to make it work. You know what I mean? Like what other choice is there at this point?

He says he's coming back. Once he says that, I don't know. I don't know what else you can do. Well, Cal said that too, and he sat with Mitch Barnhart in a video. So, I mean, he did.

But remember, but how did that, but think about how that went away. That went away because he decided to. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like he decided, okay, I'm not going to do it.

So, you know, I think that's just kind of how it is. I'm worried he's turning, I'm worried he's getting stubborn like Cowich Grant and Cal left, and I get that. But I'm worried he's getting like that and he's stubborn. I worry about that too. I worry about it too. He's putting it all on his O.C. And I don't know if he's going to change.

I mean, it's the same thing every year. We can't keep changing offensive coordinators. We can't keep doing that. I mean, at the end of the day, it falls on him. And this is a three-year spiral down. And I used to be 100% on board of stoops. But the last three years, I just, it's hard to, it's hard to back him. I hate to say it because he has been the best coach we've ever had.

I get that. I understand that. But at the same time, you can't go off the past and continue on with it. Totally agree with that, especially when it's a different sport. I mean, I appreciate the call. I mean, that's like saying, so let's say that, you know, tomorrow, the radio industry completely changes, and all of a sudden, to be a good radio host,

you also have to know how to sing. Uh-oh. Okay? You also have to be a really good singer. I can't sit here and say, and you're sitting there going, you're the head of eye heart, and you go, well, who do we want to helm this 10 to noon radio show every day?

Well, Matt's had 15 good years. Let's make him, I go, well, he can't sing. And I'd go, well, first of all, yes, I can. But then I would say, but I've had 15 good years and they go, yeah, but can you sing? Because in the future you have to sing. Well, for Mark, you may have had 10 good years, but now you've got to do this NIL thing. And now you've got to do this culture thing. And now you're going to have a $20 million payments and all this stuff.

Like now you've got to do something different. Can you do that? Because if you can't sing and if you can't do that, then it doesn't really matter what you did before in some ways. Yeah, but it's not only saying. in the new world. I think you hire a co-host that can sing while you do the other things good. Fine. Go hire a gym that is analytically based that understands the, I'm fine with that.

Go hire your Andrew Luck. Again, I don't know if Andrew Luck's going to be successful, but go hire someone like that. That would make me some confidence. You know, that's why. Maybe he'll do some stuff during this offseason that makes you excited. But, you know, what I worry about, here's what I really

You want to know what I really worry about, Billy, and we're all just being honest. What's that? We got a handful of coaches that I think need to be replaced that I think Stoops is going to be hesitant to replace because he's their buck. We got a couple of coaches that I think are our strongest parts of the program that I'm worried we'll lose.

So if we don't replace the ones that I think need to be replaced, and we lose the ones that I think are good, then it's hard for me to be excited. That's kind of my word. What's next? Aaron is next. Aaron, go ahead, Aaron. Aaron.

Sorry, Darren. What was it, Darren? Yeah, Darren, go ahead. If you're on the phone, then it's you. Go ahead. Okay, thanks, Matt. Sorry, first time, long time. Who was?

So, I, uh, I love Mark Stoop's. I love everything is done. But I think just the way it's gone and the way it's gone with Mark Pope is you get this young person

who's energized, they get the people excited. Think of next year. We go six and six, if we're lucky, with Mark's food. Who's going to be happy about that? But if you bring in a John Summerall,

rebuild it all, we go six and six. Everyone's happy. And just like you said, just in that last before you put me on is you bring in you know it's kind of like cow what was a downfall of cow keeping his friends and no i mean what you just said is what you just said is completely valid okay so what let me give me what here's how valid what you just said is let me ask you a question if mark pope

this year yes sir were to go 25 or let's say 24 and 7, all right, be a three seed in the tournament. And we get to the second round and we get upset to a six seat. None of us are going to like it. But are we still going to be excited about the future? Yes. Wouldn't you agree? But what if John Caliperi, but what if John Carl Perry?

Let me finish my question. Let me finish my point. What if John Cali Perry? Yes, sir. Went 24 and 7 was a three seed and lost the six seed. We go, uh-oh, here we go again, right? So you're right. There's a freshness that happens with a new coach. The older coach, the standard will by definition be harder. And I think that's a big point you raise. And I think it's valid. You get buy-in. You get everyone excited about the future. Things are different. and I love Mark Stoops.

He's the best coach we've had, Prince Bear Bryant. He built this. I mean, look at what John Cowell Perry did for us coming off of Billy Gee. You know, thank God for everything he did. Or if we'd have made the wrong hire when we hired Cal, we could have been Indiana.

You're exactly right. Thank God for everything he did. But we needed a change. And it came in. We've got someone who's happy. who's refreshed, who's reaching. I mean, John Summerall played for Kentucky. Well, you got to just stop.

I mean, honestly, though, the John Summerall things are waste of time, okay? Because Mark's not leaving. I get what you're saying, but like there's going to be no argument you can make that's going to make that happen. You know what I mean? Well, well, see, no, no, no. I completely agree, but what I wish I could say to Stoops is think of five years from now. If he left today, and five years from now, there'd be a statue of him, and he'd have streets named suits. Totally agree.

He's putting his whole legacy. He's putting his whole legacy on the line. Exactly. If he comes back. He is, no doubt about that. Back and does this again, he's going to be runoff. He's going to be disliked, and it's going to be like. Oh, my God let you go.

I appreciate the call. You're exactly right. He is putting his whole legacy on the line. And if he, if I was his close friend, and he came to me and said, Matt, what should I do? I would have said, you know what, Mark, maybe this is the right time to step away. But he has made clear he's not going to do that, and you're exactly right. He is putting his legacy at Kentucky on the line.

He seems to believe in it, though, and I hope it works out. Let's do four more, we'll call tonight. Who's next, Billy? All right, Johnny. Johnny, go ahead, Johnny. Yo. What's up, Matt? Just got to say, man.

As a Louisville fan, this was great. It was an absolute beatdown. Y'all had this one coming. So, you know, y'all can sit on this one for the next year because it was incredible. But all jokes aside, Matt, rivalry aside, I do enjoy listening to your insight on things. But I just think Kentucky fans need to realize that there's a lot more. issues at hand than just stoop's. But, you know, we've needed this one. It was a lot of fun. You know, and we're going to see y'all in two weeks. Go cards. Yeah, that'll go different.

It's going to look great in a Louisville uniform. Go card. Well, listen, maybe that'll happen. I appreciate the call. I think Barryon probably will end up in a program like Louisville. I'm not saying it will be Louisville. I don't think he'll go there. He's thrown too many else. down for that. But I do think that that's probably where he ends up. No, Louisville did need this one. And look, a rivalry is not a rivalry unless you all occasionally win. So it had been a while. I didn't know if y'all remembered even like how to win these games. So you did. The good thing is, though, you're not going to win the basketball game and may never win it ever again. But never again. You all should enjoy this one. If I were you, I would, I would, I would,

I would completely enjoy it because you deserve it. Who's up next? Brian. Brian, go ahead, Brian. Matt, long time first, a long time listener first call. I just want to make a comment on a statement that was made a couple of segments ago about comparing Kentucky to the Indiana and how, you know, they're 11 and one this season and they were, what, five and seven passes? season. But you got to take into account, you know, their schedule is relatively weak this year.

And then with all the conference changes. It is. But we didn't beat anybody. We can't say anything about it. I mean, when I go on ESPN and I talk about who it should be in the playoff, I will say Indiana schedule's week and that will be perfectly valid. As a Kentucky fan, we lost to Vandy at home. We can't complain about anything about Indiana's schedule because we lost to Vandy at home.

We lost by 25 or whatever it was to Florida. We got run off the field by Louisville who lost two weeks ago to Stanford. We can't say anything about Indiana's schedule as Kentucky fans. When I put my national commentator hat on, I can. But as a Kentucky fan trying to justify where we are vis-a-vis Indiana, Indiana schedule, if we played Indiana tomorrow, they'd beat the crash. out of us. Fair enough.

I just think if Kentucky were to pay, if Kentucky were to play Indiana's schedule, I guarantee we wouldn't be 11 and 1. We wouldn't be 11 and 1, not this year. I appreciate the call. There might have been years where we would have, but it ain't this one. Look, Louisville's what,

fourth, fifth in the ACC? They just destroyed us. They lost last week to a team that finished three and nine. Two weeks ago, they lost a team that finished three and nine. and lost yesterday to San Jose State at home. We can't say anything to these other programs. We just can't. Two more.

Who's next? Brandon. Brandon. What's up, Brandon? Hello, man. I love the show. I got an unpopular opinion and a regular opinion, I guess. Unpopular opinion is we have been declining since Mike Stoops got here.

Nobody's brought that up. It probably has nothing to do with anything. But he started the buddy hiring system. and we've declined ever since he got to the program, in my opinion. I mean, I think factually that's accurate. I don't know if that's correlation or causation, but factually, you're right. What's your other opinion? I'm right or die, Mark Stoops.

He got us to where we are. I'm 45 years old, close to your age. I know where we came from. He deserves a Mulligan, in my opinion. I'm right or die for Stoops. If you don't do it next year, I'll change my opinion. Thanks. All right.

Fair enough. Appreciate the call. I do think there are more of those people than you would think if you were online only. They got callers like that. What the percentage is, I'm not really sure, but I will say this. We talk about Cal. This reminds me of where Kentucky was after Cal lost to Kansas State. If you remember after that year, it was still pretty divided. But then after Oakland, the consensus formed. If we have a bad year next year, the consensus will be formed. And then you're really in a pickle. And by the way, next year's schedule is hard.

We play all the same teams we play this year. Yikes. Just keep that in mind. Last one. Who's next? Brad. Brad. Brad.

Brad, go ahead, Brad. Hey, what's up, boys? What's going on? I disagree with you. on the consensus. I think the elephant in the room with the contract and all that good stuff is that there is a monetary implication for him staying. And that's the thing that nobody's talking about because there are people that are just flat out done.

So that's something that UK is going to have to consider. Barnhart's going to have to consider. When you say done, though, I mean, I assume you mean like, I assume you means like season ticket holders. Yeah, I think there's going to be season ticket holders that are not going to renew. There's going to be people that are not going to quote unquote pony up, you know, NIL-wise, and just across the board. So, I mean, there's going to be a monetary impact.

I agree. No, there will. What that is. I don't know. There will. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I think the question is the second part, what it is. I also would note, though, most of the revenue now that Kentucky brings in,

comes from the television deal. But the season tickets do matter a lot. And I think the last thing you mentioned, the NIL thing, really matters a lot next year. After that, you're going to get into the revenue sharing thing, and I actually think it'll matter less. But next year, I think you're right. It will matter a lot. I mean, because when you have a guy, you know, right out of the shoot, I mean, the first

opportunity that he has to speak, he basically just has one of the worst PR statements that you could make, basically telling the fans that he's going to hold the program hostage. You know, I mean, that's the worst thing he could have said in that post-game interview. And, you know, lastly, before I jump off here, we, Barnhart has to stop writing these contracts where he's leaving the university no backstop when, you know, he's going to do it again. He's not going to do it again. I agree. He will not do that again.

You are right. We've talked about why he almost had to do it, but I will make it. First of all, I don't know if Mitch will even be around to write the next renewal version of a contract for any of these coaches, quite frankly, just because I don't know how many more years he'll do it. But you're right. I think both the Cal situation and this one, I'd be shocked if he ever did it again. And I totally get like why they did it But I mean from your standpoint as an attorney

Like would there be any reason From the other party's perspective Like why they wouldn't sign a deal Like a big money deal Like if that portion wasn't there Because they could get someone else to give it to them You know I mean what I'm saying

Like UCLA UCLA was willing to give Cal essentially the same deal, maybe not the lifetime ambassadorship, but they were willing to give him basically the same deal and maybe even a little more money. I know, but what I'm saying is just them not leaving some kind of, any kind of leverage at all. Yeah, but I mean, I'm answering the question because at the other place

they believed that they could, you're playing a game of chicken in some ways, right? You're sitting there saying their agent comes and says, if you don't give me this, then I'm going here. And you're sitting there going, or are they just saying that? Or do they mean it? And it's like a game of chicken. And if you don't give them that and then they go, people are going to be like, well, why'd you let them go? And it's tough. Negotiations are tough.

I hate doing negotiations for that very reason. I don't like doing that. I end up, I'm not good at it because I don't like playing that game. I think in Cal's case, his leverage was real. Stoops' case, I'm not sure if it was as real as Barnhart and them thought, but they clearly thought it, and that's how we got where we are. So, yeah, I mean, just to close, I mean, for me, I think that's something that, you know, the university needs to look at is,

I mean, how much projected loss could it be that, you know, with fan turnoff? I mean, for me, I don't know what it will look. look like, but I'm pretty disgusted with the program right now. Well, I appreciate to call. I mean, if it's a big number, it'll matter. I think, you know, I think the NIL piece is the biggest thing. Eventually, I think most people will renew their season tickets. Maybe not all.

But the NIL piece, you know, you got to go get players in the next three or four weeks. I think it's going to be hard to look at somebody and say, give me $50,000 to go get this player right after you went four and eight. That's going to be tough. Billy, thank you very much. wish you were going with us. We will miss you this week. Yeah, enjoy your trip.

Don't get in too much trouble. If you're in the Cincinnati area, tomorrow morning I'll be with Myron and with these guys at Jefferson's social outside of the Bengals game. So if you're going to the Bengals game, you're in the Cincinnati area. Come say hello.

I'd love to meet you and say hi. And then we will take off and we will be in Iowa City on Monday morning for our show. Follow all of us on social media to see the trip. We'll have a full car. We got me, Drew, Ryan, Shannon, Mario, and Max, all going.

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