KSR - KSR Postgame UK FB vs Vanderbilt 10/13/24

Episode Date: October 13, 2024

Matt and Billy recap the Cats' 20-13 loss to Vandy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's late at night, and it's a grumpy night around the Big Blue Nation. We'll open up the phones. I'm going to be honest with you been a long day, so it's probably not going to be the longest post game ever. excuse me and I want to hear from you all 859-280-2287 I'm sure you have frustration so feel free to call and air it I think this may have been the I don't think it's the worst loss of the Stoops Air I actually think that was two years ago to Vandy because I think that Vandy team two years ago wasn't even

good and this one is at least decent but I do think this is in terms of, it's sort of a culmination of a series of problems that we've seen with Stoop's teams for 13 years. I think sort of tonight was probably the worst performance-wise that a Stoop's team has played. And the three things that I think are the biggest problems with Stoops, they all reared themselves in this game. Number one is end of half. I mean, I feel like we've talked about this on this show 25 times, but end of half management, it was awful. I mean, I could break down play by play where I think they screwed up.

I mean, you start with the fact that you want to, clearly they wanted to do a drive at the end of the first half and you just let them run 30 seconds off the clock without calling the time. out. So if you didn't want to have a drive, you screwed it up. But then when you got the ball, instead of, as I thought the announcers who did a very good job tonight, Tom and Jordan Rogers noted, like instead of running the ball, which you're able to do because of the new two-minute warning, they throw it three times, they make throws that are difficult throws. They need at least one completion to require Vandy to call timeout if they don't get them. And they end up giving

and vandy the ball. Still, though, you get them in a third and long, and you have a chance to hold them to a field goal and you give up a 22-yard touchdown, which is, you know, you just can't have a worse result. And it's the difference in the game, honestly, honestly, the end of the first half. And it's even especially bad because they get the first ball in the second half. So consistently during the Stoops era, clock management, and specifically end of the first half management, has been pretty much atrocious his entire time.

I think he has a lot of strengths as a coach, but I think he is just really, really bad at clock management, and it's not gotten better during those, during these years. The second thing is discipline. And, well, actually, let's say the second thing is penalties, which is kind of an offset of discipline. But 11 penalties, over 100 yards, as Tom Leach pointed out in his comments when he was talking stoops, it's actually more than 100 yards when you consider in the NFL, oftentimes they'll show you how long the play would have been without the penalty.

If you did that for Kentucky, it's probably 150 to 160 yards in penalties. The offensive line, you know, I sort of feel bad for Mincey and Cox because they're just not good enough. And clearly Kentucky doesn't feel like they have other options because, I mean, the coaches see that too. Between the two of them, five holding penalties, five. Three of which were backbreaker penalties, where if they don't get the hold, it's a big play. And just terrible penalties.

And they just get beat consistently. And I, you know, there's an old saying in football well, you could call hold on every play. That's probably true, but I'll be honest with you. They could call twice, two times or three times as many on those guys. I mean, they're just, I think in Cox's case, it's injury. I feel bad for him, honestly. I think he's not really healthy and doesn't have a lot of movement, but he has to play. And then Mincy has, it's been an issue since he's been here.

So, I mean, you just, I think Bush Hamden sort of limited as a play caller because he can't keep Brock in the pocket. Brock has to roll around. He's not really great throwing on the run. So, and even when he rolls around, there's a decent chance there's. going to be a hold because they can't keep up with their men. So it's just, it's a disaster. So penalties, but what's more frustrating to me than even the holding penalties are just the discipline penalties. Dane Key with a horrible penalty early in the game. I don't totally think the Dumeish Johnson call was right, but it still was an important penalty. The special

teams penalty, I mean, if you don't get the hold there, number 35, and I don't even know who 35 is, to be honest with you. But he had two. I mean, how, you only, you only, you're play on special teams plays how do you have two penalties uh for holding and he did um you know that's that's awful so let double digit penalties 100 yards and penalties huge problem discipline again has been an issue often in the stoop's era which is my number three thing i mean it is hard for me to not get extremely frustrated at how a group who i'm not going to say they haven't had accomplishments, they have. But this current group playing right now, I talked last year about undeserved arrogance often during the year. And while they did beat

Ole Miss, you know, you're coming off a by and you're playing a Vandy team and you're showcasing sort of undeserved arrogance again. And when I say discipline, though, I don't just mean like acting in bad behavior. I mean discipline of playing disciplined. Two snaps on special teams that are, you know, botched. I think one was probably more on the holder. One was probably more on the snapper. It's actually Jordan Rogers thought Alex Rayner should have kicked it. I'm not blaming that kid because he's been perfect this year. But just in general, I mean, how do you have two of those snap errors?

I think had scored there at the end, would you have even felt comfortable giving them the extra point kick there. I don't know. I mean, I was sitting there thinking, because I always try to think two or three plays ahead, like, what are they going to do if they score? I don't know if you could have trusted them to kick a field goal, which is a disaster.

And I think if this is the second game like this in the Stoops era, I believe was it Old Miss, Billy, a few years ago, where we had the same problem. We couldn't snap. We couldn't hold the ball. I think we lost because of that. Yeah, I felt like it was a whole year. I think that was the COVID year, though.

I think we lost. to Ole Miss solely because of snapping. So, you know, look, I listen to Sto's Postgame comments. He does always take responsibility, but, you know, he doesn't have answers as to why this stuff happens. And off a by week, Mark Stoops is five and eight. And three of those wins are against really bad bandy teams. So, but now lost five and eight off a buy. Kentucky is 0 and 6 in their last 6 SEC home games, 2 and 10 in their last 12.

I mean, there's nothing you can say about that. Coaches get fired for being 2 and 10 in their last 12 SEC home games. So, I mean, this has been a season where if you just hold serve at home against teams that in theory you should be better than you would be 5 and 1, and instead now you are three and three. You, let's just assume you beat Murray State, so that's four. You got to get two wins out of Florida, Auburn, and Louisville, and just even be bowl eligible. I mean, there's a legitimate chance they won't even be bow eligible for the first time since Mark Stoop's, what, second, third year.

And when you consider the resources that have been put into the program, when you consider the way that Stoop's, obviously, famously said pony up, but also has admonished fans to get there, show up, be loud. You know, these performances are just, they're just not acceptable. So you're at the halfway point of the year. You're going to play Florida next week. Florida lost their starting quarterback tonight, but their backup might even be better. Who knows, I think their backup will give us problems because he moves around like Diego did. But, you know, winning at Florida, like Florida almost won at Tennessee tonight.

So it's very, very frustrating to me. And, you know, you're in a situation. I know what people are going to say, well, you've got to replace coach. First of all, we're halfway through the year. There's still another second half. But also, for the same reasons in the conversation we talked about Cal, even if you want to do that, you cannot financially. So you're just in a tough spot. And I don't know what they do right now.

I will say one of the things Stoops is good at is after bad performances, they usually come back and play well. So I actually expect Kentucky probably to play well next week. But this, you can't lose at home to Vandy two straight times. Terrible performance and probably the most undisciplined and disappointing one that Marks had since the one two years ago against Vandy. 859-28027. It's very late. I want to hear what you all think. Let's take a break.

This is the local toy dealers KSR post game show. Appreciate, I said appreciate the call. Billy and I were talking and I almost appreciated Billy. Billy asked me about, well, actually, you just ask on the air here. Tell them what you asked me. Well, I thought a lot of tonight was about the penalty. Stoops didn't accept. There was the one that Kentucky got stopped on the goal line.

There was an off-sides call that they could have taken. Yeah, let's talk about that one first. Or false start, maybe it was. It was no one off-sides. Kentucky, it was first in goal. from the six, they get to the one, it's off sides, they decline the penalty, so it's second in goal, and of course then we had the false start. He should have taken the penalty because then they would get it. Then it's first in goal at the three, but you get an extra play. I think in that

situation, the extra play is more important than being on the goal line. Clearly in hindsight, if you have the false start, you want to take it, but to be fair to him, he didn't know there's going to be a false start. But I still think, I'm with you, Billy, I still think you take it because you get four shots from the three, right? So you want to do that. And so, yeah, I didn't understand that. I'm sure he thought, well, we're at the goal line. We'll just punch it in.

I don't want to back up to the three. But then the false start shows why you can't do that. And by the way, that false start, I was complaining about Mincy and Cox on their holds. But it was also Cox that got the false start, right? Or was it Mincy? It was one of them. Like, the fact that they're. not great blockers does not excuse a false start right there yeah false start then a bad throw

and then plus they're going to be running through the middle like the tackles should not be getting a false start that's a huge mistake by those guys then what was your second one uh the second one was after the key touchdown there was an off sides call they could have gone for two instead they missed the extra point here's why i don't okay obviously he doesn't know they're going to miss the extra point i think you go for two in that situation if it's a 14 point here but if it's a 13 point game, you are assuming, and you should assume, you're going to make the extra point. And so going for two takes away the advantage of only being down 13 instead of 14. But it allows them to allow a field goal on defense.

Yeah, but you're sitting there thinking you're going to get a stop. The analytics on that, this happened in the NFL, I think, not that long ago on a 13 point game, and they put up the analytics, and the analytics there says kick the extra point. If it's a 14-point game, the analytics say go for two. But in a 13-point game, because you assume you're going to get a stop, and then you're going to score and you have a game-winning touchdown instead of a game of time. Of course, when you botched the snap, none of it matters anyway. So, all right, who's up first?

Larry. Larry, go ahead, Larry. Hey, Matt. Yes, what's up? Just calling to say, you know, just another embarrassing loss. I mean, I don't usually call these calling shows, but after losing to Vanity twice at home, the past two years. I mean, it's just another

undisciplined Mark Stoops football team. I mean, I know in the post game, he said that, you know, I told them all week, we've got to be disciplined. So therefore, they go out and they be disciplined. That doesn't work that way. Yeah. No, you're right.

I mean, he says that after every undisciplined game, and at some point it's a pattern. I mean, how many other coaches, like there are a lot of coaches who might have one, undisciplined game, Larry, every 10 years. We have two or three a year. Oh, yeah. And, you know, if the defense play well enough to win the ball game, the offense, I mean,

they just shot themselves from their foot. That's all you can say. And he's got to do something with the discipline. I mean, you've got to take players out, put them on the sidelines. You're not going back in. You put them back in. If they're not disciplined enough, take them back out again. To your point about the defense and the offense.

So they, what did, uh, Vandy scored 20? We scored 13. We scored 13. And we let them on the field. I'm going to give you a stat, Larry, that'll drive you crazy. And Vandy has not allowed this few points to an SEC team since 2018. So we scored the fewest points against Vandy since any SEC team since 2018. That's six seasons ago.

So I'm with you. The defense was not great. This was not the best, but it's good enough to win. You got to, I think I said on the pregame show today, Vandy's not, I think I literally said, Billy, Vandy's not going to score more than 20, and they score exactly 20. They scored the high end, and I appreciate the call area, of what I thought they could score, but you've got to be able to score 21 against Vandy.

You certainly can't just score 13. Who's next? Sean. Sean, what's up, Sean? Hey, Matt, I just wanted to say I'm more old school than Mark Stoops is. And after Dane Key gets that penalty, he's not playing the rest of the night. I mean, until the bench is the best motivator. And it's a way to get discipline back.

And I mean, and then he had to fumble later. But, I mean, he's not playing after that early in the game, catch the ball and get back to the huddle. And let's do it again. Well, you know, I mean, we love Dane, but Dane costs Kentucky six points tonight, at least, maybe more, but certainly six. Yeah, I mean, like he cost them. The fumble costs us. The two. That's what I'm assuming, though, I'm assuming they get three.

They could have gotten seven, to your point on both drives. So it could have cost them 14. But at a minimum in both situations, if he doesn't get the fumble and the penalty, you should get three. So he at least cost him six. and it is him. And while he is a great player and a great talent, like that's just a reality. And you're right.

I mean, I don't know that I would agree with you. He should not play again. But those are two massive mistakes. Right. But I mean, we've got, you talked about we've got to get disciplined. Well, the way you get discipline is consequences for your action.

That's true. And there doesn't appear to be any consequence for bad actions. I think that's a fair point. Appreciate the call. I think that's a fair point. point. And I think that's been, if you listen to Max, he'll say one of the reasons players love stoops is they can kind of be themselves. They don't walk on eggs, eggshells. And there's a positive of that, but the negative may be what you're saying right there. Who's next?

Ryan. Ryan, go ahead, Ryan. 859-2-80-22. How are you all doing tonight? I know it's kind of tough, tough loss tonight, but I'm like you all. I'm with die-hard blue fans. You know, you, when you're born into this, when you're in Kentucky, you're either blue or you're red. I'm blue. You look at my veins. They're blue. I believe blue. But I just got to say, I called in after that Georgia loss, and I said that Kentucky needs to do something from the top down because we're stuck in neutral with this football program.

I mean, let's say you want to do that. I mean, this is a conversation. Hang on just a second, because there will be some version of this conversation, you know, for the next few weeks. I'm going to say the same thing I said when Cal was here. They can't do anything. They don't have the money to pay a buy. So I'm interested in what people think they can do, even if they wanted to, which I'm not even saying is a good idea.

But let's say you wanted to. They don't have the money to pay a buy. So can I ask you this then? So Stubes has been here for what? 12 years. It's been in the 12th season, right? And Kyle was here for what? 15?

Uh, yes. That's correct. Something like that. Okay, so Cal had his last three years were kind of like sour. But we didn't fire him. We didn't fire him. Right. He left.

And maybe Mark would decide to do that. But, but we didn't. So that's where I was getting to. Right. So I'm, so here's my thing. So Stoops had, we've had, with him, we've had what, he's been here for 12 seasons. He's took us to a ball quite a few years. I gave him that.

We've had, what, one 10-win season with him or two? Two. Two. Two, ten-win seasons with them. But if you think and look at his overall record, we've had a sour. It's like it's been sour with our football. Like why I said, we've kind of been stuck in neutral with him. I'm going to have this.

I'm glad to have this conversation with you. And the stuck in neutral, I think is a fair point. To say it's sour, he's the winning this coach in the history of this school. And he's had more success. He's had more success than any coach that hasn't cheated here since Bear Bryant. So I do think you have to have to have to have balance. So, I mean, it's fine that the stuck in neutral comment, I think is fair. To act like his.

Well, I don't know. Or do you think their program or do you think they'll, you know, because like, now I'll give him like if Kentucky goes and, you know, let's say we win next week against Florida, we win against all of it. You know, of course, everybody's going to have a different mindset after that. but then again if we go on a next losing streak and we don't win again into Murray State, you know, then we're at a... I totally agree.

That's why I don't know that you can say. I appreciate the call. I don't know what's going to happen. You know, we're halfway through the season. If they beat Florida and Auburn, it looks different than if they lose to Florida and Auburn. If they lose to Florida, I mean, my view is if they lose to Florida and Auburn, and the only game they win for the rest of the year is Murray State and they go four and eight, which I don't think will be what happens, but if it does,

does, I don't think he'll want to be here, to be honest with you. If they go six and six, which I think might be the most likely scenario at this point, then I don't know. I think you're kind of in like a, you're in a weird situation. But I do think it's important to note, whatever happens at the end of the year will be Mark Stoops' decision because of the nature of the contract. Who's next? He almost left this past off season.

He did, but he's not going to have the opportunities he had last season. Right? Like last season, a school like A&M wanted him. You know, who knows, everybody has a different view of what happened that night. But A&M clearly at some point wanted him and maybe wanted him until the very end. That's not going to happen again. Now, if Mark left, I do think he could definitely get a job at a power school. But he's not going to get a school like A&M again.

Especially if he doesn't have a good year. You know what I mean, Billy? So I don't know it won't be like it was last year. But go ahead. Yeah, and one of those 10-win seasons is vacated now. We'll go to Casey. That is true. But that's vacated.

I mean, to be fair, not filling out your expense report. Still real to me, damn it. I'm still counting that 10-week-year. Go ahead, Casey. Casey? Yes. Go ahead. First-time caller.

who are long time listener i was just wondering i understand about the buyout situation and there's just a lot of talk on social media you know about uh firing of suits i'm with you people can't have to pay it you know it's easy for people to say it if you don't have to pay it you know i can understand yeah yeah i'm on your team best coach we've ever had but assuming we keep them and assuming we get rid of him how can we take from coming from you how can we take the next step kind of like Missouri did. It's very difficult. Like that's the problem.

We talked about this after the South Carolina game. The problem is, let's say this season finishes 5 and 7 or 6 and 6. You are, to use the other callers term, stuck in neutral, and I don't know exactly how you get out of it. You know, like Dionne Walker will be gone. I think there's a good chance Barry and Brown and dang key will be gone.

Bandergriff's probably back, but your offensive line is still a disaster. You're going to have to, I mean, I think they have five or six seniors on defense. Like, you're going to have to rebuild your team and coming off a not-so-great year in a new NIL world where you're competitive, but you're not at the top.

It'll be very, very difficult to be honest with you. And that is what worries me. What worries me is like, I don't know what the next step is if this year doesn't go well, and right now it's not really. Right. Yeah, that's what worries me too, but we got to stay competitive to do something. Yeah.

But go cats. Appreciate the call. I mean, that's the thing. Like, none of this is getting any easier. I mean, right now in the SEC, with the exception of Mississippi State, nobody's bad. And even Mississippi State played Texas competitively today. Was it Texas?

Georgia. excuse me, Georgia competitively. I mean, they weren't going to win, but so nobody's bad. And that's, you know, Kentucky's schedule does not have, like, I don't think they'll even play Vandy next year. And I, and they, you know, I think what's next year's schedule going to be? It's going to be like Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama, you know. Are you getting all the teams you didn't play this year? Is that what it be?

Basically, next year will get, I think. Tennessee, South Carolina, and all the teams you didn't play this year, I think is how it is. So who's next? Ethan. Ethan, go ahead, Ethan. Hey, I just got a couple statements. I understand that $40 million is a lot of money, obviously not something that's realistic. But I don't see how you can go from fans actually wondering what that number is to dig out of the hole

because we just maybe had one of Mark Stoop's best wins of his career, and yet one week later, or one game later, we're still wondering, you know, if that's even on the table. Obviously, it's not. I don't see how you dig out of that hole after one of your biggest wins. Yeah, it's hard. And it's hard. Yeah.

And no, I think that's a fair point. It is hard. It's hard to see how you make that transition. Now, at the same time, they could beat Florida and Auburn, beat Louisville, finish seven and five. and kind of be where they were last year, you know. So, but I thought they were going to finish seven and five or eight and four, and I was counting bandy as a win.

So now, like, you can't, you got to win next week against Florida. You got to beat Auburn here, and you got to beat Louisville. And, you know, all three of those games are loseable games, you know? Right. And that's the thing. It's like if we get into the same situation where we're coming up against Louisville, I mean, potentially five wins going into Louisville. I think that's going to be forgiven.

By the way, that's what I think is going to happen. Let me tell you what, this is just my prediction. I think we're going to lose next week. I think we're going to beat Auburn. I think we're going to lose to Tennessee, beat Murray, lose to Texas, and we're going to have to play Louisville to make a ball. And I actually think we'll beat Louisville as crazy as that sounds because this team just hates Louisville so much.

But that is a tough situation to be it. It really is. Right. And that's the thing. If we lose that game in Louisville last year, I mean, it's a different world. It's a different world. It is a different world. I think, and I appreciate the call.

I think an interesting alternate history, Billy, is what does the world look like if we lose to Louisville last year? Because remember, A&M was in theory going to hire Stoops regardless. And it would have been interesting to see if we lost to Louisville. and he took the job immediately, what would have happened? You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, that win saved the season in hindsight for him. I mean, that was a top 10 road win.

But it may have saved the season and kept him here. And costing the A&M job. I mean, I don't know. It's hard to know. It's a different world. 859-28027. We will take a break. Come back.

Take more of your calls to local toilet dealers, KSR post-game job. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers, KSR postgame show. Not surprisingly, I get something wrong. I'm told by multiple people, including Billy, that our schedule next year is just this season with the home and away flipped. So we will play all these same teams just flipped. So we will at home play Old Miss, Tennessee, Florida, and Texas. and we will go on the road to Vandy, South Carolina, Georgia,

and who am I missing here? Vandy, South Carolina, Georgia, and Auburn. Which actually is a doable schedule if you have a good team. Because you get the good, excuse me, you get the good teams at home and the bad teams on the road with the exception of Georgia, which means if you're good, you could take advantage of. But nobody's bad.

if you play like we did tonight, where we could lose to any team in the SEC, including at home to bandy for the second straight down. Who's next? Travis is next. Travis, go ahead, Travis. Hey, Matt. Hey, just a couple things, man.

To end the quarter, to end the half from time, man. Play calls, clock management. To give up the touchdown is just unacceptable, man. You know, time and time again, we see it every game. Every game. It's almost every game. game. They actually handled it decently well against Old Miss, and I compliment them because it was rare that that happened. But going to our offensive line, man, I thought they played a good game.

There was a one or two holding calls that was their fault. One or two, there were five. No, there were five, but also you got Brock scrambling around in the pocket, holding on to that ball. He did. He can't make a read to save his life. He does hold it too long. He doesn't hold it too long. and I thought Jordan Rogers did a good job. You remember that one play. He pointed out that the ball was supposed to just go out to Barry on quickly, and he held it, and then nobody's open. Right.

Yeah, he just runs the ball when he doesn't need to, and when he needs to run the ball, he doesn't. Yeah. But another thing, too, on Stoops, man. Every time they show Stoops on the TV, man, he's sitting there with this dumbfounded look on his face. He's not talking to his team. He's not motivating.

him. He's not giving them the brute honest truth. And then the one time they show him talking to a player, he's talking to number 35 on special teams. Well, that guy did have two penalties. A lecture. This was before the last penalty on the Barry and Brown return at the end of the game there. And he was lecturing him before. And then he goes out there and makes the same call. But, you know, it's just like, what do we need? Why isn't Stoop's in our huddle, you know, talking to these kids, man, and boosting them on and giving them. Well, I mean, you don't know that he's not doing that. I mean, just because you don't see it on television, doesn't mean he's not doing it.

But I think your point about, and I appreciate the call, your other points, I think, are valid. I think they're completely valid. And Brock, this was not a good game for Brock. What's weird, though, is Brock actually makes some good throws. That throw to Barry on, what was a great catch by Berion. I mean, he put it in the only spot he could put. it. But man, he makes some bad, I think when he makes the right read, he makes a good throw. But he makes some bad reads. He hones on the ball too long.

I think all that's very, very fair. 859, 280, 2287. Billy, the refs did screw us out of 25 seconds, didn't they? They're at the end. I mean, I did matter, I don't think, but they did. Right? Because they ran the clock down from three minutes. to whatever it was, right? 2.35. I missed this part of the game, but I did hear the fans booing when they continued to run the clock. I could be wrong, but I think they messed up and ran the play clock twice on a play.

And nobody, maybe I'm wrong. I didn't complain a lot in the moment because I actually thought it helped us. because it would make sure Old Miss wouldn't get the ball back if we scored a touchdown. But, of course, we didn't score a touchdown, so it didn't matter. Who's next? Philip is next. Philip, go ahead, Phil. Hello, Matt.

Thank you for taking my call, first-time caller. Who I? Matt, I have been a fan of 32 years, and for the first 15 years of my life, we was able to save up enough money to go to one football game. And that was a Georgia game where Kentucky got beat 56 to 6. And now as I'm becoming an older man, been able to work and, you know, get season tickets for myself and for my son. It's hard driving three hours to Lexington every Saturday to watch them get beat over the same issues. I worked in the mines for, I worked in the mines for 15 years, you know, been injured trying to provide for my son, give him a life I didn't have just to go and be disappointed.

Saturday by the cats. No one thing we love to do, we love to watch the catwalk. He loves, he's got this white Nike football. He loves getting autographs. And for whatever reason, for four weeks straight, or four home game straight, I'm sorry,

we've tried to get Brock Vandergriff, Barry on Brown, Dane Key, Anthony Brown Stevens to sign his football. And for whatever reason they will not. Is that part of like maybe their NIL deals that pay They change signs or autographs? I mean, I don't.

First of all, no, I don't think so. I don't know why they haven't. And I'm sure they would. I don't know the scenario, so I can't really answer that. Let me go to your first point for a second, though. What I love about UK football, turn your radio down just behind you, because I can hear my voice in the background. What I love about UK football is that guys like you go,

meaning like, you know, basketball tickets, not everybody can get them, and to buy a season is a lot. But you save up your money to go, and I bet you, I mean, I would think you really treasure those trips with your son, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

And I understand, like, I think oftentimes people, like, people in athletics or whatever, they complain about fan mindset sometimes. But a guy like you, you know, you're looking forward to this. And you deserve, I think, to feel like what you're watching is putting in as much into it as you are. Is that kind of what you're saying? Yeah, absolutely.

And like one point, too, is like season football tickets, that's it for us. Season basketball tickets is not an option for the simple fact, well, obviously, you know, the price of them is crazy at times. But logistically, for a blue-collar worker like me, it is not feasible for us to go buy these season tickets, pay all this money, and might be able to make it to 30 to 40% of the home games because we've got to work 95 jobs during the week. I understand that. So. No, I get it.

And that's what I love about UK football games is what you're saying, but it also makes it disappointing. I mean, you've been to, we're two and ten. in the last 12 SEC home game. So I appreciate you calling and sharing that because I do think it's a perspective that often gets forgotten. Be careful going home, okay? Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you taking a call.

Thank you. I think that's important to remember. There's a lot of people that go to those football games that are like that guy and that are listening right now and their drives home. And, you know, it's just important for everybody involved to remember. Who's next? Noah.

Noah. Noah. Go ahead, Noah. All right. Hey guys. How y'all doing? Good. All right, that's good. I want to, you know, not to piggy back off the last guy, but I got a story to tell, too. When I was seven years old, my dad, he was the president of our youth football league, and we finally had an open Saturday to go, and it was back in 2012. And the first and up until last year, only game I went to was when Vanderbilt beat the breaks off of Kentucky.

was 40 to zero. Oh, really? That was your first game? Yeah, that was my first game. Yeah, that was terrible. Yeah. And I think I was the same year we lost the Western Kentucky, too. That was not a good year.

It was, yeah, it was. Yeah. But I feel like tonight's loss and really just the season in general, it might be a lower point than that for what our expectations are, right? Because we've got this roster that is just, I mean, compared to years past, this roster is Alabama compared to what we had back then. And we just, we can't seem to get anything done.

I feel like there's a, a level of complacency that we've reached that is just unacceptable. Well, there was a, there was a sense of doom for that game in particular, because we stunk and we were like playing out of the string, right? Yeah. I will say this.

Like tonight, if Kentucky just plays disciplined, and plays the last two minutes of the first half better, they win. And that's very frustrating. I actually find that more frustrating than when the other team is just better. You know, like this game is more frustrating because honestly, Vandy, outside of, like, Vandy didn't even really play well in the second half.

Pavia could barely walk, and their defense really couldn't stop us. we just stopped ourselves for the most part. So I kind of agree with you in some ways it's more frustrating. That game was more embarrassing, the one you're talking about. But in some ways I would agree with you, this is more frustrating. Yeah, and I feel like the clock management this year is just, I mean, obviously Stoops has not been notorious for good clock management. But the clock management this year has just been abysmal compared to years past.

I mean, we saw what happened. It's been pretty abysmal since you. been here. I mean, yeah, but he's terrible at it. He's just terrible at. I mean, he's just terrible at it. I mean, there, you know, and I appreciate the call. There are things he's good at. I think he's put a good defense on the field pretty much every single year he's been here. I think they, I think his teams pretty much maximize their defensive ability almost every year, going back to Matt House and Brad White, and even before then, the, uh, even when his teams were bad those first couple years. Their defense, you know, but when it comes to clock management,

he is not good at it and hasn't been good at it really since he's been here. Who's next? Edward. Edward. What's up, Edward? Hey, Matt. How are you? I'm good. Good. Yeah, so just driving on the game on the way back to Louisville here. And I don't mean to pile on the stoops train. Like, I don't want to crap on the guy at all. I mean, he, like the last caller, my earliest, memories are kind of the transition away from Joker and that 40-0 Vandy lost two Stoops and he's done some great things. I asked the question in the athletic this week in a mailbag article. I'm not going to read the response, but pretty much what I asked was,

has Stoops taken Kentucky as far as it can go and do you foresee him looking at other opportunities after this? Have they taken them as far as they can go? Okay, so do I think Kentucky can win a national time? title. No. Do I think Kentucky can win an SEC title? Probably not. Do I think Kentucky one out of every five years could have a real shot at a playoff in the new format? Yeah. What worries me is these last two years have not been encouraging. You could make a strong argument that these last two years have been some of the best talent he's had.

And we were seven and five, and we'll see what happens this year. So I do think there's a worry that it's kind of stuck in neutral. Do I think he'll pursue other options? I have to tell you, me and you talking, I've kind of thought no matter what that was going to happen. And that's not inside knowledge, okay? I honestly have not talked to Stoops this entire season.

I really haven't talked to him since I got back from Europe. I talked to him once. So I don't know what's in his mind. But I've kind of just always thought, in the same way that last year, I kind of thought it was going to be cows last year, even before they struggled. I've kind of thought this was going to be Stoops's last year,

just for no reason than just feeling. And I would say to you, nothing's happened to change that view, but I can't say I know. It's a guess. Yeah, no, sure. I appreciate your insight. Like I said, that kind of coincides with what the writer and the athletic wrote back to me in the article. And like I said, you can find it pretty easily.

But, yeah, I appreciate Coach Stoops a lot. I think he's elevated us, and, you know, we may be stalling out now, but that's okay. I mean, all good stuff has to come to an end. But to echo your point, there's no reason every handful of, you. years, especially when they expand the playoff to 16, that we couldn't maybe clawed. Oh, I definitely, definitely. I mean, look, yeah, we should, and I appreciate the call. People sometimes online talk about expectations.

Matt Jones's expectation for UK football is you make a bowl almost every year, if not every year. Like maybe one in 10, you don't make it. You, seven is the base to be happy. you once every five years have a shot at a playoff in the current format. And I think if you look at Stoops' career, that's kind of what it's been, is exactly what I just said, because I think the two years we won 10 games, if the playoff format existed,

we would have either gotten in or been one of the first two teams out. But this year has not been like that. And I'm worried this might be the first year he doesn't make a bowl since his second year. or third year. 859-28027. Let's take a break. We'll do our final segment. This is the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show.

Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show, final segment here on KSR. Thanks for staying up. I got to go to bed here in a minute, Billy, because I've got to do the NFL show tomorrow. And I haven't even looked to see who plays. Usually on Saturday night, I try to see.

What's the big game? Well, that would be a good start. Yeah, lines, Cowboys, I guess. You know, I'm now at the point, though, I can just say something about all these teams. You know, I may not know much. Like, just give me a team. I'll just show you real quick. Just give me a team.

Okay, tell me about the Cowboys. Oh, first of all, that was easy. Dag Prescott. You know, Dak Prescott, they got absolutely blown out at home twice. But then bounce back the last couple of weeks and gets a win. This is a big chance against Detroit to show that those fluke games against the Saints at home and the Ravens, those were flukes. big time chance for them to get a big victory tomorrow

against Detroit. That's right. I forgot you did all that DAC contract talk for years on the SPN. I could talk about DAC in my sleep. Who's next? Tyler's next. I will dream tonight. I'm sure I will hear Jack's name while I'm sleeping.

He got paid. Tyler, go ahead, Tyler. Hey, thanks, Matt. Thanks, Billy, for having me on. Appreciate it. I'm a New York Giants fan. You're talking about football leading in for Sunday. I'm a New York fan too and a UK football.

Who do you all play tomorrow just to help me get ready? the Bengals Sunday. Oh, yeah. Big game for the Bengals. Got to win that one. Must win. Season's over if they lose.

Can't lose. Well, I'm, like I said, I'm a New York Giants fan and an UK football fan so I'm a glutton for punishment for the last year.

Yeah. But, no, you know, some of your earlier callers were talking, and I kind of have mixed feelings as well about the legacy of stoops. Like,

you know, I took my 12-year-old son with me tonight, and he was at the game with me earlier in the season with South Carolina when we played at them as well. And, you know,

it's just one of those, like the South Carolina laws felt like an all systems failure, like all the way around. This one didn't feel that way, but it was probably more frustrating because you could just see little things here or there that would have made the difference in the game. I totally agree with that. The South Carolina game, we got dominated. This was a game. I don't want to say we beat ourselves because they played well, but we should have won.

I mean, if we just do what we're supposed to do, we win. Yeah, I just think at the end of the day, you know, that we allowed them to sustain drives. We did shoot ourselves in the foot. But after 12 years, and this is why I think the legacy of Stoops is kind of complicated. And it's kind of, you know, you hate to always compare things with Cal, but that's kind of what, you know, most recent. So you kind of see what happened there, the same thing. Mark Stoge is responsible for a lot of people's great memories for UK football. You know, I've been a fan since, you know, Bill Curry was here, and he sucked.

And so, you know, but Mark Stutz would, you know, has been. been responsible for some great memories for UK football fans. But I think going back to the pony up comments, now you're kind of like, do we need a pony up for Vandy? I mean, it's just there's these little things that have just added up over the last couple years. And at the end of the day, over, you know, if you do this time and time again, it feels like the discipline, it's not just a discipline and undisciplined problem.

It's a cultural problem. Yeah, I've often thought with Cal, just because I know, you're right. It's just natural to do the difference. I think Cal hit a lower low than Stoops has hit, to be honest. Now, granted, he got a higher high, right? We won a national championship. But I also think we got a lower low. I mean, for Kentucky basketball to lose to St. Peter's in Oakland is pretty terrible.

But I think in both situations, there was a moment where things changed. I think for Cal, that moment was COVID, right? I think if you go back and you look post-COVID, he was a different coach and team. I do wonder if when it's all over, to be honest with you, Tyler, we'll say pony up was that moment for Stoops. I mean, I don't know if it will be, but it does feel like things have been different since that happened. I think that was just a reset moment for a lot of fans because I think the expectations have been so high. and then to get that statement and then not see those expectations and the attitude, I think Stoops has instilled a gritty attitude with these guys,

but that attitude doesn't seem to be translating into success on the field. Again, you can see all these undisciplined things, the clock management stuff is still an issue. You know, if you expect fans to step up, you've got to change the way you do things in order to deliver a product. That's totally fair. That's totally fair. I appreciate the call. And remember, after the pony up statement, that was the Monday after the Georgia game,

a game where if you remember, they had gotten blown out, and then they lost at home to Missouri the next game. And it really, that was a big loss. We were up 14-0-0, the fake pun. I mean, that was a big turning point game in a lot of ways. What's next? Matt's next. Matt, go ahead, Matt.

Hey, Matt. The losing to Vanderbilt twice in a row at home is absolutely unacceptable. But let me just read you a couple things here. First downs, Kentucky 23, Vandy 19, total yards 322 to 288. We outrushed them. It's just penalties, 12 of them for 105 yards. It's unbelievable that with a 12-year most-tenured coach in the SEC, we're having that many penalties and that many just costly mistakes.

I agree. That's why I say, South. Carolina, we can say we should have theoretically won, but we just got completely equipped. Tonight we should have won this game if we had just done basic things, and that's really frustrating to me. Yeah. The other thing I want to say is I'm not here for any name King's slander. I know he had one really bad penalty, and he had a fumble where a guy dove his helmet

into the ball, but that kid for three straight weeks, three straight weeks, that kid has caught every single thing. But both of those things can be true, right? So, like, I don't like when fans take a mentality that someone is either great or they're terrible and there's no middle ground. Dane has been awesome these last three weeks. Awesome. Dane cannot get that personal foul penalty.

It costs us three points. And I agree with you. That was a good play the guy made, but you also can't fumble that. Both those things can be true. You can say he's been awesome and criticize him when it's not. My frustration over the years has been this idea that everything has to be their awful or they're amazing. It can be both. It can be in the middle.

And Dane has been awesome, but those were huge mistakes he made tonight. I think it's fair to be frustrated with those couple plays. But again, that kid has caught everything that's come his way. and I think when you're coming down the stretch and you need a score at the end of the game, I'm throwing everything I can to number six. I agree with that. I appreciate the call.

I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. Let's do three more, Billy, and then I'm going to try to go to sleep. Who's next? J.R. Go ahead, J.R. Interception, Colorado. Wow, look at this.

Are they going to win this game? Oh, my goodness. Touchdown. Oh, he fell! Oh, he fell. wow. All right. Go ahead, JR.

Hey, Matt. I'm going to try not to have to be overly negative. Okay. I'm a little frustrated this evening. Go for it. So a couple questions, and then just kind of one point. Really, the biggest thing is everything that we love about soups, does it feel like it manifests itself in negative plays by our players?

And do we feel like Mark Soups might be the primoridian of college football? Okay. I don't know what you tell me what you mean by the second one. I do think the things that frustrated stuff about stoops do manifest itself in players. I mean, like, how would you know everything a coach does comes through their players? So yes. But what do you mean by the prime meridian of football? I'm interested in what that means.

Yeah, so I'm a Bengals fan. And when we had Andy Dalton, I remember reading an article several years ago. And somebody wrote him and basically put him. as the 18th overall quarterback in the NFL and said he was... Oh, you're saying like he's the median. Okay, the prime maridian. Right. Yeah, I mean, I think he's above average because I think to win here is hard.

I mean, I get, how old are you? I'm 36. Okay, well, you sound younger. That's good. Yeah, I mean, like, we haven't won here my entire life until students. So I think where you have to be on the scale of COVID, to win at Kentucky like he has is, is above average, right? I think if you have an average or below average coach here, they lose.

So I think he's above average. And, but is he, you know, top 15 or 20? Probably not. I think when it comes to recruiting, they're probably honestly top 10 or top 15 when you consider what they do recruiting here. But, yeah, I would put him above average because I just think it's harder to win here. than at most schools in America because of the conference you're in. Right.

I appreciate the call. Go ahead. Go ahead real quick. Oh, yeah. I think that's the hardest thing is Stoops has always had an elite defense, and it always feels like the common denominator has always come down to quarterback play and the offense. Yeah.

No, I think that's fair. I appreciate the call. When we've had good – we've had good quarterbacks – But as we've talked about, look, we're in the SEC. I've gone over this many times. but no state in the SEC produces less talent than us than Kentucky. And so to win here is like even harder than it is in the other SEC school because you don't even produce homegrown town.

And then when it comes to NIL of the 16 schools, we're probably like 12th, maybe 11th in NIL. So like all of those things means if you can get a top half of the SEC program here, you're really doing well. But you shouldn't lose to Vandy twice and wrong. at home. Let's do two Colorado takes the lead. Gosh, we're going to have a What a comeback. The Colorado hype train is going to start again and end it. Two more. Who's Hunter? Hunter. Hunter, go ahead, Hunter. Hey, how are you guys tonight? Good. So I've been thinking, like,

ever since the game's over, there's been a million different thoughts going through my head. And honestly, like, I usually like to look at these games analytically, like, what do we do wrong? honestly came down to two things it came down to O line you know they had the illegal formation problems with South Carolina and then these holdings just killed us yeah and then the other thing is stoop's is stubbornness I told my dad and I joke with him I said I was sure he's not from eastern Kentucky because of how stubborn he is and how stuck in the ways he is that's not that's that's an unfair slight to eastern Kentucky well we're from so okay if you're from there then you than you can stay.

Yeah, he is stubborn. It's interesting. He's, I think he is stubborn and stuck in his ways, but then he also will change stuff, but the thing that he won't change is sometimes the thing that's the most frustrating about him. Like, I think he's tried to be more flexible on offense,

but like, he's still pretty stubborn at not being able to manage the clock. You know, I mean, like, So, you know, I don't know. He is, he's definitely, he's definitely stubborn. I appreciate the call. He's stubborn in a different way than Cal is. Like, Cal was stubborn too, but in a different way. But, no, he's certainly stubborn.

But I don't think that's the issue so much. I think the discipline and sort of, the clock management, to be honest with you, is the thing that drives me to most crazy because it's so easily fixable. I mean, everyone on that. that staff. Every single person knows infinitely more about football than I do. But I do think, Billy, I could manage the clock at the end of the house. You can run that middle eight better than stoops. Not the plays, but just what they do from a time perspective because it's just math.

You know what I mean? It's just math. It's not football. It's math. And they just don't do the math. And any dork could do the math. And they just don't do it. And it drives me crazy. All right. Last one. Who's that? Kendall. Kendall.

What's up, Kendall? Hey, Matt. I guess what I was upset with the most is, I mean, I just don't understand some of the play calls. I mean, what are we doing at the end here where they're just, I don't know, I'm just really disappointed tonight. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute Wait a minute There he goes

He's watching to say you were ahead of me I was like why is he going whoa All right I got you Kansas State with a big draw Go ahead You were ahead of you're ahead of me By a few seconds But go ahead

Yeah Anyway I was disappointed in Stoops's comments Did you listen to him I did I did So like all right So I'm glad you said that Let's let's talk about Stoops's comments

So Stoop said I think you're talking about where he says, well, which ones bothered you the most? You're talking about his comments with Tom Leach? Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. So, yeah, Stoops go, Tom says something to the effect of. It was very frustrating out there. You know, what did you?

I just lost my money. I just lost, by the way. Oh, wait, there's flag. No, mine, there's flag. Go ahead, go ahead. I'm going to hang up on you. I appreciate the call. You're ahead of me on the feet.

I think you're talking about Tom says something like, hey, what did you see out there? And he says something like, I don't know, right? Isn't that kind of what happened, Billy? What were the words? Because the words were odd. He was very frustrated. We had to use the dump button on him.

Well, you didn't dump him. I heard it. Well, were you connected on the comments? So you did get those guys words. Yeah. Okay. All right, got you. I'll read you what he said.

Stoop said, Stoops was asked by Tom Leach, what's your assessment of what happened tonight? and he said, I wish I knew, it's extremely frustrating. I think what bothers people, at least online, was the I wish I knew. Billy, that actually doesn't bother me as much because I think he's just being honest. I don't think he knows why. I don't think he knows why those guys make the errors they do.

And I don't know if that's good or bad. I just think he's being honest. You know, I don't. he's probably withholding judgment until he can watch the tape and that's what a football coach should do. Did it bother you that he said I wish I knew? No.

I mean, I thought he was extremely honest to the point where I felt like he was blaming players more than he normally does. I think that's probably right. And then what you're talking about is so I guess what I heard is not what went over the air. Correct. Yeah.

Okay. But you tweeted it out. I tweeted out exactly what he said. I thought it went over the air. I didn't realize I was getting the uncensored version. He said, Believe me, I'm as frustrated as any fan out there. It is complete bull blank.

I am as blanked off as anyone, but I know it's on me. Billy and I actually got to hear the actual words, but I guess you all didn't. I was a little shocked at his words, Billy. Like, I've never heard him cuss on the radio before. Yeah, extremely frustrated. Talked about the players not controlling their emotions. Yeah. Well, now I want to see the end of this game, but you want to.

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