KSR - KSR Postgame UK MBB at Vanderbilt 1/28/26

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Matt and Billy recap the Cats' 80-55 loss at Vanderbilt.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And after two games in Nashville this year against Gonzaga and Vanderbilt, Kentucky loses by combined 60 points to those two teams in the city that is probably the most loyal to Kentucky fans and Kentucky outside of the state. You can give us a shout, 859-28027. Look, it's 1215 at night, and we just lost by 25 points. So this is one of those where I say, if you're up right now and you're listening, then I consider you my friend, unless you are really rude. But otherwise, I don't think you will be because why would you stay up this late? So 859-280-2287. When you call this late, this is your best chance, Billy, to actually get to talk without me cutting you off because we have to fill this hour with something.

Big opportunity. Big opportunity. Big opportunity to get your words in. Look, this is an awful performance. Kentucky is now, what, 14 and 7? I will talk in a second about the season as a whole, but I think some perspective on what we continue to see in these games against good teams. Kentucky has played eight games this year on the road, on the road or on a neutral court, eight games. and in those eight games Kentucky's been behind

by double digits in every single game by double digits in every single game even more stark they've been down 17 points in seven of the eight games so on the road this season

Kentucky has been an absolute dud in the first half of these games on the road. Kentucky has been awful. Not just, I mean, not bad, awful. Now, to their credit, they came back against St. John's, came back against LSU, came back against Tennessee. So there are only three and five in eight games where they've been down double digits on the road, but it's still awful performances. And they've been absolutely embarrassed four times. I think it is very rare for a good Kentucky team.

to get embarrassed once during the season. Sometimes it'll happen on the road, usually in the SEC, you'll let one get by you. Kentucky's been embarrassed four times. Michigan State, Gonzaga, Alabama, and Vanderbilt have beaten Kentucky in games that they've never once been in the entire game at any point throughout the entire game they've never been in it. That almost never happens twice a year.

It's happened four times, and there's a decent chance with games at Arkansas and at Florida still to come, it could happen again. And even if you go back to last year when Kentucky had what I think was a relatively successful season, this happened throughout last year too. First halves under Mark Pope, especially on the road, they're just terrible. And they're consistently terrible. He cannot get his team to play, to come out, ready to play on the road against good teams.

He just can't. really against any teams. Forget about good teams. Against any team. They do not play well in the first half on the road. They struggle sometimes at home too, but they always struggle on the road. That's just not a sign of a good preparation. It's just not. And, you know, part of me sits back and says, when Mark got hired, I went back and looked at his time at BYU. And it feels like, it feels like a lot of the stuff that we saw when he was at BYU is also true here.

I guess I thought he would kind of grow out of some of it. But when he was at BYU, he would get wins that you never thought he could get. I remember he won once at Kansas in a really impressive game a year. Kansas was like number one or two in the country. He would get these wins that he had no business getting. But then he would lose by like 30 to Central Florida. and you would say, what? And we're seeing some of that here.

When Mark gets beat, they don't just get beat. I mean, they get pounded. And that's kind of what happened today. This game tonight, you know, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with my friend Jimmy Dykes, who I think said in the second half something like, you know, Kentucky's down 20, but they've played really hard. I just, I don't believe that.

I don't think they played. hard. Didn't sound like Mark Pope did either. As a matter of fact, Mark was seemingly pretty critical of the way that they've played. Here's what he said just to Tom Leach just a few minutes ago. We need to engage our team in the game. That's been a space where we've been fighting a difficult battle all year long to get our guys to embrace this idea of being incredibly physical and forceful during a game. I mean, that's another way of saying our guys don't compete the whole game. And I think that's true. This is a team that has a pretty amazing ability to fight back sometimes, but they also have an ability to just have stretches of just not giving effort. And that's what happened tonight. Yes, they shot poorly.

Yes, they took bad shots. But they also played no defense. You heard Jack Given say that he was. really didn't think anybody except Diabate wanted to play defense. I think there's a lot of truth to that. They got crushed in transition. Never got back. And then offensively, the reality is if we don't get points in transition and if we don't

get ball movement, we're just not good. If you play a game in the half court and you can keep Kentucky in the half court and you limit and you just stay on your man and guard one-on-one, we're not good. We had 45 points. What did O'A and Aberdeen have? 38 of the 55. 35 of the 55. At one point it was 35 of 50.

You know, and those guys, look, always been good in SEC play. Aberdeen's been better, but like, I mean, they're not, they cannot score over, you know, 60% of your points. You're not going to win. 65, 70% of your points. I mean, you're not going to, you are not going to win in that scenario. We got out physicaled by a team that's not very physical. The way you beat Vandis on the glass, they crushed us.

Everything you need to do to win this game, you just didn't do. Now, I can sit there and whine about it all day, but it's extremely annoying. And the thing is games like this are miserable to watch. I mean, most of you, a lot of you are probably listening to this podcast on your way to work tomorrow morning. And you might not have even made it through the end of the game. I, Billy, during the second half, read a book with the game on in the background. Oh, you did. Yeah.

That's a normal second half for you. Well, not usually UK basketball. That's a Reds thing. But it was not interesting. I mean, I had it playing. but I didn't, you know, I gave as much effort in some ways as they did during that. And I, you know, it's frustrating. I'm not, this team is not good, all right?

And I've not thought they were going to be. Basically, I gave up on this team being good when Jaylon Lowe got hurt. And I kind of gave up on them being good before that. But I really gave up on him being good when he got hurt. I just said, well, they are what they are. Can we make the tournament? And I still think we can make the tournament, although I don't think it's assured. I do think we can make the tournament.

But we're not good. But more disappointing to me than not being good is this roster, which fundamentally was flawed even at full capacity, even if everybody was playing, this was a flawed roster. but what is and that needs to be fixed in the off-season and we'll see if that happens. I'm worried about that too. But what is more of an issue to me

is I genuinely think Mark up into this point has done a poor job with this team. He's taken a flawed roster and I think he's coached it poorly. They don't play to their strengths. Every, you could watch 10 different halves of UK basketball this year.

Just randomly pick 10 halves. And you would feel like you were watching six different teams. They never play the same style. They rarely play the same lineups. They have guys who don't play at all for three games and then start with Yellovich. or play two minutes and then play 34 minutes. Or are the central leader of your team like Diabate and then play eight minutes.

It is impossible to have any sense of what Mark wants to do with this team because I don't think he knows. It changes every game. and the only two consistent forces are O'A in Aberdeen because he doesn't have a choice but to play them. Back when he had a choice, they weren't even consistently playing regularly either. Every time he goes to the bitch, it's almost like drawn out of a hat, Billy, who's going to come off the bench.

It could be anyone. Whoever's left. There's a Trent Noah. Let's throw him in. Okay. Garrison? What do you think? Well, let's put Garrison Diabate in. That hasn't worked all year, but let's keep doing that. And it just, he doesn't know what to do with this group. And it makes it very frustrating. I give them credit. I think they've won some, a couple games, they probably had no business winning. But it's just not an enjoyable watch.

This is, in my opinion, the least enjoyable Kentucky team. to watch besides the COVID team probably ever in my lifetime. I hope that changes. There's still 10 games left. There are a lot of potential wins you can get here that would be great wins if you win them. But, you know, it is what it is. I know we won five straight. I give them a lot of credit for that.

That season could have fallen apart in those five. But there have been too many games like this. Kentucky basketball does not have stats like I'm about to read you. They do not have seven of eight road and neutral site games where you get down 17. That is not a stat that Kentucky basketball should ever have associated with it. Right? You should not have a stat that says Kentucky has led at halftime just two times in the 14 games against power conference teams. year. Let me read that again. Kentucky's had 14 games against teams from power conferences,

and we've led it halftime twice. Twice. That's a game plan. That's a coach that doesn't have his team ready to play. I don't know how you can say anything else. And then the one that's the biggest kicker to me, Kentucky has played 40 games in underwere, Mark Pope, 40 against Power 4 teams. And we've been down 15 at halftime. Ten of those games. One out of every four times we play a Power 4 team, we're down 15 at half time. Come on now.

I think they do a pretty good job of adjustments. I think sometimes when they just let these guys play, it works. but a coach who allows his team to be down in 12 of the 14 games at half in one season and down 15, 10 of the 40 games in two seasons at halftime, is a team that does not have his team ready to play. And we can all guess why it is. He out thinks himself, I mean, I don't know. I'm not in the room, so I can't answer.

he's not a good motivator. I don't know, but I do know this. Kentucky basketball cannot have stats like that. And Mark always says that the first half is about gathering information. Well, the first halves for me are about gathering information about the program. And the program is starting putridly and doesn't have the talent to make up for it in the end. 859-280-2-807. We'll take your calls.

It's late at night with Matt and Billy. This is the local toy dealers, KSR Post-Game Show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers, KSR Post-Game show. A lot of good text messages on the text machine. One person writes, Matt, I live in Sydney, Australia. Well, good day. I'm finishing up my work day.

During the Louisville game, my Australian coworkers laughed at how engaged in the game I was, and so I made them honorary Kentucky fans. Now I don't even care. I'm just laughing at this outcome. Well, clearly you care. You're in Sydney, Australia, and you're listening to show. So don't, I don't like when fans say they don't care. You care.

You're not listening. People who don't care are not listening now. So you care. But yeah, it's tough. But at least your Australian friends. Just keep them on. Because they'll be a good time ahead. That's always the case.

One person writes, I don't understand what the focus on. is he wasn't that great. How many top 25 teams would he start at point guard for? First of all, I only played five games, so I don't know. And I thought he played well at about four of those five. But it wasn't even that he was so great. There was a world where I could foresee a way we could be good with him,

even though we never totally hit it, I could see us being good with him. I have a hard time seeing this group right now being good. I don't know what the world is that this team is really good. Does that make sense, Billy? Like, I could see how you could produce a really good team with Lowe at Porgard. I don't know how this group we have right now gets really good. Yeah, I think he had spurts where you saw how it could be. The second half of St. John's, we'll always have that.

Right? No, we always can have that. Go watch that second half. Look how we played when all those guys were in. I guess we'll always have that as the one moment. One person says, Matt, why don't you ask Pope? You should ask him these questions. Ask him, bro.

Well, I don't know when. They don't make him available to interviews to us. And he does one press conference a week, and it's at noon on Monday, which I've always kind of thought was intentional because we can't go, because we've got to show. So, you know, Kentucky has taken the view in the last five years that all coaches, the time you will talk to them is this little 10-minute window in a press conference, and they'll do official stuff with the people for the official broadcasters. And that's it. And that sort of avoids a lot of questions.

You can really only talk to the coaches during the off-season. So, you know, it is what it is. I'm not sure bringing him on and grilling him on KSR would go over that well anyway. Yeah, Matt, just ask Pope these things. Yeah, I mean, Matt, won't you go talk to Trump about it? Well, I mean, he has to say yes, you know. So that's, you know, it is what it is. That wasn't how it was when I started.

I mean, it used to be you could basically call and say, hey, can I get these guys on? And they would almost always say yes. That has changed in the post-COVID era. And it kind of is what it is. All right. Who's up first? Tyler. Tyler, go ahead, Tyler.

Oh, what a privilege. I am the first one on after a 25-point beat down. So I'm just, I'm struggling what to think right now. I've been a Kentucky basketball fan my whole life. It has given me some of the most joyous nights of my life and some of the worst. And I think for me, I care so much, and probably too much. But I sit there tonight. I'm like, you know, I'm watching this game and they're probably going to get blown out.

So if they play bad, I don't care. But then I'll watch. They look unprepared. They look terrible. And I'm like, why am I doing this? Yeah, but you don't mean that, though. You don't mean that. I mean, I don't, I don't, you do not mean why are you doing it.

You've probably been doing this your whole life watching these games, right? Now, you might say why am I getting so upset, but like you're doing it because this is what we do. Like, why does a bee make honey? Because it's what a bee is for. You're a Kentucky fan. This is what you're supposed to do. I'm supposed to make myself miserable by watch my team get blown out every night and sit there and say, man, I hope we come back from 20 points down. But by doing that, it makes those moments where it's good.

even better, right? Like it makes those moments when we have those nights. And we, you know, even with Pope, we've had a couple of them when we beat Duke and the, you know, and at St. John's game. And they're being, you know, the Knights, Oklahoma and the couple of, like, part of what makes those good, the LSU game last week is because you also watched these nights, too. Oh, I, the LSU game, I went nuts when that happened.

But, man, it sucks watching these kinds of. games and I know like so when I'll see these kinds of seasons go down I think man you know 2014 we had that but 2014 was different we had Julius Randall we don't have a guy like that yeah we don't have so for me I sit here and I'm like I we're not going to make anything happen in the postseason unless something crazy happens and really at this moment I'm like that would be the only thing I could lean on is man what if and of course I'll watch but there is there's just no It's not a lot of hope for me. Well, I mean, yes.

This team is not, in my opinion, going to make anywhere close to 2014 run. The tournament's still great, though, and here's why the tournament's great. Can we win the national championship? No. Can we make the final four? Probably not, no.

But could you win a game or two? Like, could you be a, you know, 10-seed and win two games and find your way in the sweet 16? You could. You could also lose by 20. 20 in the first round. Or you could not make it. I mean, this team could any of those results wouldn't shot me. So I would say to you, what are you going to do that's better than this? I mean, honestly, there's the reason that I, I cheer for all my professional teams, but I care

so much about Kentucky basketball. So I sit there and I'm like, I can't detach from it like I can with those other teams. And I think that's what I hate so much is I'm like, I struggle to the, like tonight. I turn. the game off and then 10 minutes later I was like okay have we come back yet and I checked I was like no we haven't yeah but that's again why it's great I appreciate the call I'm the same way like I I basically only cheered for Kentucky in the bears my entire life and then I started I started in the last decade really picking up the reds and I've always kind of cheered for the hurricanes but I didn't really watch them very much and and then I started realizing that I really liked watching

the reds and the hurricanes because they could lose and I'd be like whatever but there's no reds hurricanes or bears win that can do for me what a kentucky win can and so that's why that's why it's better but it also makes tonight's like tonight stink who's next lorry lorry go ahead lorry oh that's me um okay so first time long time who what i guess what um concerns me is the fact that we have this team and we know 22 million, but it looked like OA and has been our go-to player. So, I mean, I just don't understand the roster construction. And I know we have like three people out injured.

And like lifetime, like I was strutton with Sutton and my family too. and it's so frustrating, you know, that. I know. I didn't heard that. Like, you've never, oh, I have a T-shirt. Well, I was a little young for that. So I wasn't, I wasn't really, I was very young then. So strutton with Sutton.

Okay, Matt, you're not that much younger than me. Oh, I'm very young. I'm very, very young. I would not remember that. But no, but this, this roster construction is poor. And even if everyone was healthy, it still would have been poor. They did not recruit enough people who can shoot the ball. They went to last year, they thought the difference between a title and that team last year was they weren't athletic enough.

And they were correct. So they went and got a bunch of athletes, but here's what they forgot. Then they don't have anybody to make shots. They went too far in the other direction. And if Mark Pope is going to have a team that's deficient in an area, he needs to have it be a deficient in athletes because he coaches shooters. And he's got a team right now who can't shoot. I don't think a lot of them have great basketball IQ.

And those are the two things that are most important for Mark's teams. And my guess is I've not talked to him about this. But here's what I'm thinking he thought. I cannot teach athleticism. I will teach them to shoot in the IQ. And I think he's found out. We can still be physical. we can't even be physical.

I agree. Well, they were physical against, see, part of this is why I blame effort. They were physical against Tennessee, and they were physical against Ole Miss. And then they just like, then they just against the least physical team in the league, they're not. That's what doesn't make sense to me. Tennessee is the most physical team in the league, and they played them well. So. I get it.

And like my siblings and I, this is like our team. thing. Like, this is our father passed away. So this is like our thing. And we go to the SEC tournament, Nashville, like, you know, for now until forever. And we spend like crazy amounts of money. And it's, it's disappointing. And I don't want to say like this. But that's okay, though. Like, I feel like I'm having to do group therapy for everybody. Like, it's supposed to be disappointed. It's supposed to be disappointed. That's the point. That's the point. point. Like it matters because you care. If we didn't care, we'd all go to bed. Right? Like we, like, it's like we care. So I appreciate, I appreciate. I wouldn't be up here

front. Yeah. But that's what, but we should be because it matters. That's what makes us different than everybody else. I don't want to, if we ever get to the point that we don't care, then we're not Kentucky anymore. We're Indiana basketball. Although I'd like to be Indiana football. I would not want to be, although they got a big win tonight. Didn't they beat Purdue tonight? I didn't see, but I just found a strutton with Sutton hat on eBay, and I may need you to talk me out of buying it. I actually would buy it. You may ever get it quick. If you want it, you better buy it right now.

Somebody's going to get on there and steal it from you because somebody listening right here will have it in five minutes if you don't buy it. How much is it? 35 bucks. Is it a trucker hat? It is, and it's got Eddie Sutton, winking. Oh, you got to get it. Get it. If you don't buy it or I'll buy it from it.

It's got Eddie Sutton's face on it. He's winking at me. Buy it right now because this is like a minute delay. It's going to be gone. I'm trying. All right. Who's next? Luke.

You better tell me if you get it. Luke, go ahead, Lud. Just shut up and do it. Go, Luke. Go ahead. He doesn't kill me. That's hilarious. Yeah, I'm here.

I'm here, guys. I could talk about the fact that we got absolutely demolished. But frankly, I think we need to have bigger picture conversations. I know you should really wait until the end of the season. And Pope is not getting fired by any means. I'm not saying I want him fired. But I do have concerns that this guy has no business being the coach in Lexington over the long haul. I mean, it just seems like, for lack of a better term, Matt, that this guy's got no balls.

Like, I mean, your team's getting annihilated like that means that you are not preparing your teams well, which is piss poor coaching. I don't know how you can't prepare a team to come out and play hard. A lot of the problems tonight were simply efforted. I mean, they didn't do a single thing right tonight. They didn't shoot the ball well. they didn't defend well they didn't rebound they didn't hustle they didn't take care of the basketball and they literally did nothing right and it's been the same old song and stand vandy didn't play great by the way i mean vandy made some shots they didn't play great and you know they were

without their second leading score let let me go to your point about the big picture thing okay let's let's take a couple things that are i think everybody would grant he's not going to be fired at the end of the year you agree with that right sir that's not that's not going to happen It would have to be pretty drastic. Yeah, we would have to completely collapse. Yeah, we would have to completely collapse in these last 10 games, right? And it would have to be bad. It would have to be bad.

So I don't think that that's going to happen. Am I concerned? So granting that, because there are people who are like, Matt, say that there needs to be changed. I don't even know if I believe that, but if I did believe it, it wouldn't matter anyway because it's not going to happen. Do I have concerns, though? Oh, yes. I have multiple concerns. My biggest concern,

this is what worries me. My biggest concern is not even what we're seeing right now. My biggest concern is the way they're building the roster. I am concerned because I'm not certain next year's going to be any better because I don't even know who's going to be on the team, right? Exactly. I mean, we have no recruits. And you just look at this part of the,

game plan of this roster this year was you were going to be able to have a lot of these guys for a few years. Who can you say definitively on this roster will be on the team next year? I would assume that. Who would you even want? Well, I would want some of them, but I also think like, Malachi Moreno, I think will almost certainly be on the team. But beyond him, I don't even know. And then, yeah, there is a question of who you would want. I don't know. So then you throw that in, we've spent all this money in the portal. I will tell you from my conversations, I'm not confident that money's going to be there next year because people are not happy with their rate of return on this year's investment.

Okay? No, Matt, you own a, yeah, you own a business. You understand that. If somebody's investing in a business and is not making money, it's not working, they're not going to go back to the investors now for more money. They don't give it to you. So if you go and ask for, let's just say you ask for that amount, I don't know if that's going to be there. So then there's that issue. Then there's the recruiting issue.

Are they going to be able to get a top guy? Are they going to have to spend a billion dollars to get Tyron Stokes? And then you're beholden to the number one talent. But he's a unique character that could go in any direction. You could have a superstar. You could have a dude that takes you in another path. So yeah, I'm concerned. And then once you get the team on the floor, I thought he coached last year's team really well. But this has been a disaster this year, in my opinion. So yeah, do I have concerns? Yeah, I do.

Can I mention one concern? Of course. Can I mention one concern that you didn't yet? So one concern I have, actually, and I'm not a genius when it comes to human psychology or anything, but I know that a sign of a very, very high IQ person is that when they recognize a problem, they try to overcorrect. the problem to fix it, all off hope with the roster going from no athletes to nothing but athletes and no shooters, right?

Yeah. Well, my problem with that is, this is basketball. Like DeMarcus cousin said, this ain't no spell and B, son. This is basketball. You don't need to be a genius to be the coach. And I wonder if, ironically, he's too smart to be a basketball coach. There have been people who said that. I have a legitimate problem.

I don't know. I mean, I appreciate the call. I don't think people can be too smart. if you also have, as they say in the mountains, common sense. And I don't know him well enough to know that. I've only spoken to him a handful of time, so I can't say. You know, there are very bright coaches doing really broad. I mean, like, think about Brad Stevens.

I mean, most of the NBA coaches are succeeding are really bright now. And I think, like, John Shire's really smart. He's doing well at Duke. So I think you can do it. I think Pope's personalities a lot. So I do wonder, I don't think he has connected with this team. But now I think he connected with last year's team. So I don't think it's that he can't connect with players.

I think he connected with last years. But I think it's fair to say he has not connected with this group. I think that's fairly obvious. Did you get the hat? I got it. You bought it. I bought it. You have the paycheck and I have for it.

Well, no, if you don't want it, I'll buy it from you. How much it cost? 45 all day. All right. Do you want it? I'll buy it before. I'll give you 50 for it. I got to see it in person before I give this thing up.

I mean, he's winking right at me. Oh, gosh. Well, if you don't want it, I'll take it. You know, I'll actually give you a profit. I'll give you a 60 for it. So you could have made $15. I kind of need that 15. I mean, we're going to the Super Bowl.

Think about that. That could buy you half a drink. It's shatkins. diesel's party. Could it? Half a drink? You could buy me a quarter of a drink, maybe. 859-28027.

We'll take a break, be right back. It's a local Toyota dealers, KSR Postgame show. All right, so I just saw this strutton with Sutton shirt. By the way, there were two of them on eBay. The other one got sold too. So you got one. Someone else listening got the other one. It's a cool hat.

How much do you want? Well, the price has just gone up, actually. That's what I was going to ask you. What would you part with it for? Well, if there's not another one you can find on eBay, I mean, it's a collector's item. Listen, first of all, don't try to scam me, okay? I'm offering you. You can keep it.

You found it. So to your credit, like, it's yours if you want it. But when I see that he's winking, the wink, the wink is epic. Looking right at you. tell you what I'm going to do. And this is also in part because you are such a loyal KSR soldier and you're up late at night. This is my final offer, though. You can take this or you can leave it.

All right? Okay, banker. I will give you a crisp $100 bill. But you have to decide this segment. The offer is off the table at the end of this segment. Okay. But it is a firm contract if you take it this segment. This is a $65 profit for nothing.

Okay, get back to me at the end of the segment. I've got some thinking to do. All right. Who's next? Ray. Ray, go ahead, Ray. Hey, Matt. How are you? Good.

Yeah, you said you would give us some time tonight. I don't want to take up a lot of time, but I do have a couple points on offense and defense. I think this could be somewhat constructive. but I also have something sort of in defense of the roster build, but yet the solution for it I don't think is good. So, you know, you want the defense of the defense. Do the roster one. Okay.

Okay. I think we're forgetting. You know, I listen to you all quite regularly, and I think roster build has come up a lot. But we've forgotten that we had a Caden Lewis committed at point guard, and he dropped us and went to Villanova at the last minute. But that's part of roster bill. That's part of the roster bill.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. My point is Pope got stuck with his third and fourth guy on his list. That's on him, no. That's on him. Exactly, exactly. But the bigger picture, I'm going to cut to the chase. Let me mention these names.

I'll cut to the chase on this point. Keep in mind, as you hear me make these points, we have zero freshmen coming in at this point. okay we're not able to convince these guys to come the negative result of my point is this guy struggles to attract these guys Michigan has a guy named what yaxil he's really good he's a six seven forward uh Indiana has a good Indiana has a guard that we wanted wilkerson and you nLV you and lv has a guard we we ended up with the third or fourth guard that Well, our first choice actually's had a bad year, too, which was Donovan did.

I mean, that was our first choice, and he ended up going to UCLA, and he's not had a great year either. And we seem to be striking out with the high school kids, too. It could be a personality flaw. It could be a reputation with all these other experiences. Well, it's a lot of stuff. All right. I appreciate the call. I'm sorry, man.

You said you just, I gave you a couple minutes. It could be a lot of things. We've talked about the whole JMI situation. We've talked about Mark. I don't know for sure what it is. I have my thoughts, but I'm letting this recruiting class play out, and we're going to see. But the reality is I am very concerned for what our roster is going to be next year. I mean, let me just go through him real quick.

Jalen Lowe. They brought him in to be a two-year player. I'd be fine with him being the point guard next year, but I'm not, you know, I don't know. I don't know if that, I don't know how that vibe went. I like him. I'm not sure. I don't know if that's going to end up being something that comes back or not. We'll see.

Aberdeen. Is Aberdeen a junior senior? I always get him confused. I don't know. I think he's a senior, but I could be wrong about that. Chandler, I think he's probably coming, he could probably come back, but I don't know. He and Pope. I don't know.

Aberdeen is a senior. Aberdeen, I think, is gone. Diabate has another year. Do you want that? Garrison has another year. Do you want that? Right? Yelovich, what's his status going to be?

I feel like Moreno's back. Jasper, all you got to do is look at the tweets online from family members. You know that. Who knows? Right? Cam Williams. He was, they brought him in thinking two years, but who knows? Quaintiff's got, Noah.

I mean, there's a world, Billy, where there's only like two or three guys back from this team. But would that be a bad thing? Well, who are you going to get? You don't have any recruits. That's true. They don't have a single person lined up. They don't have a single player. So you're going to go get seven more new guys in the portal?

Has he got? I mean, some of these dudes have to come back. Like, you got to have somebody. So, like, if you made me guess, maybe, like, Moreno, Chandler and Lowe, Diabate, things have not gone great there, so I don't know. So, I just, like, next year, who knows who's going to be on the team? So, like, if he has a bad end of this season, next year is it. And you don't even know who the roster's going to be on.

be. Yeah, that's scary. It is scary. Who's next? Skyler. Skyler. Go ahead, Skyler. Yeah, good talking to you guys.

I just have this visual of Billy trying to do his job, but getting distracted, searching Sutton hats on eBay and on Facebook marketplace looking for kettlebells. Although he should get more and like go into business with him because there are people, I think a lot of people would want one. Hey, I think Mark Pope has a difficult, my take is, Mark Pope has a really challenging time motivating some of these like, I don't want to call them high dollar, but like high in talent guys. I mean, if you think about last year, all of our guys were underrated, overlooked, not believed in.

And, you know, Mark Pope was one of those guys in college. That's right. That's true. Underrated, not believed in. and I just think it's a different mentality you have to take. I mean, I know he crushed Cal for not being an X as a nose guy, but he motivated guys. He motivated like the dudes.

And I don't think you look at Mark Pove's body. But you remember who Cal struggled with. Cow struggled with guys like this, right? Cow struggled with dudes that weren't highly recruited. Remember he always the guy. So it's interesting. I think you make a really good point. Cal was all it was brilliant at the top talents.

But when he had to coach the guy that was like 50th, remember how much he fought to not play Antonio Reeves, right? Antonio Reeves would kill it under Pope. Kill it. But then I look at a dude like Jaden Quentin's and Mike, he might be better under Cal. So, you know, I think it's a good point, though. He does seem to struggle with some of these talented guys.

And I wonder if that's what Quauntins' dad and everybody around Jaden is telling him. You know, it's like, hey, just you had a good showing against St. John's. Let's write it to the draft. I do say, I do worry because I look at the rest of the schedule. Mark Pope said something to Tom Leach. She said, you know, we're just coming off of a five-game winning streak longest in the SEC. Yeah, but you're beating the bottom feeders of the league in a decent, a decent Tennessee team. and we didn't play very well in any game but Mississippi State in the second half.

And we played all the teams that we match up well with. See, that's what worries me. Whether these teams are good or bad, a lot of college basketball, unless you're an elite team is about matchups. And we match up well against the grinding teams. We really struggle against teams that can put up points. We got a lot of teams coming up that can put up points. Arkansas

Florida Auburn Yeah Arkansas beat Vanderbilt 93 to 68 Yeah but Arkansas Almost lost at home to LSU I mean you can do that game all you want But I appreciate the call

I'm just saying like What I worry about is The matchups coming up Because The Pope has done a pretty good job Of playing well against these mucking up teams Well we ain't got to a lot of muck-it-ups left.

We're about to play the teams that can put up points. And with the exception of beating Florida at home last year, we haven't done great against those teams, even in the Pope era. Who's next? Heather. I'm going to need an answer after the end of this call. Heather, go ahead, Heather. Matt, I'm just joining the therapy group, I guess.

Therapy, that's right, therapy. and billy you better take that $100 bill because that's that's a good deal right there wait a minute i found one i might like better though see his is strutton was i know but i'm just saying just to throw it out there his is strutton with sutton somebody sent me another hat that looks like it was uh well it may be gone now it's called the it says the lord is my shepherd Sutton is my coach. But was he winking at you? He's winking.

It's the same picture, Bill. He's winking in that one too? He's winking in that one too. Hold on. Go ahead, Heather. Well, it's just such a difference.

Like, last year, his first season, it was so exciting. And it was like we was all on this high. And then it feels like we've done a complete 180 this year. And we are just all confused.

Now, I will say Mo Diabote, he does seem to like give more effort and a little testness and get him around. He does, but he's also, he's also the dude that gets, that has the hardest time getting along with his teammates. Yes. And that's not, but that's a problem. I mean, that's a problem.

Exactly. If you have a guy that, like, the teammates, you know, it's kind of like that Oscar year, except Oscar was a lot better than Diabate. But, you know, if one guy is not getting, I mean, I don't know that they're not grooving with him, but they sure, he sure yells at them a lot on the court. So, you know. Yeah. But I am like, I'm tired of starting out every game in the hoe.

And this second half tonight, I, I, I, I couldn't watch it either. I just scrolled on my phone. And so I thought. By the way, your sentence right there, just so you know, Heather, how much I love your voice, you said you were tired, except you say what, tarred? Tarred. Tarred.

You said in the hole, you said, ho, right? And scrolled, you said scrode. And I loved every single one of them. Oh, God. Oh, shoot. You might need me to record some of your audio books. Oh, you would do. Maybe not the books.

But I appreciate the call. There might be an endorsement you could do, right? By the way, Billy has a new endorsement. He's endorsing for Bud Light, I heard. Well, I did a spot. I don't know if I'm endorsing. You become so woke. It's woke, Billy.

Somebody's got to step up and do the Bud Light spot. Yeah, I mean, somebody's got to be woke on the show. Okay. So are you taking it? in the $100 or not? Well, after a review of the second hat that you've found on the grassy knoll, that Sutton is not winking in this

hat. If you zoom in, there is no wink in this second hat. Oh, there's no wink? So I feel like I have a collector's item here. All right. Do you want $100 or not? I do not. I'm going to hold it. You're going to hold it. I'm holding here. All right, you better wear that around. You turned out

$100. By the way, when we get to San Francisco, don't be asking me for money. Oh, I might be strutting around, and fran in my strutton with sutton hat by the way we still don't have anywhere to stay friday oh we'll find we'll find a place uh if you looked for the hotels only the busiest weekend of the year i ain't staying in some of those places that are you can stay by yourself there are parts of san francisco i am not staying in at night on friday at night on friday night so see between me and you since this is not going on oh it is on podcast it is on podcast

You can say what you're going to say anyway. Yeah, I could say this. There was a guy that I know who's got a lot of money. And he's a really nice guy. And he lives in San Francisco. He's got like a vineyard. Okay. And I was like, I'm going to suggest we have nowhere to stay.

And maybe he'll invite us to the house. He doesn't know any of it. He knows me, but he doesn't know any of y'all. And I did that today. I thought it would work. he's not going to be he's going to be in Dubai oh that's okay well house sit for us see I was going to I was going to be like you know you need somebody to watch a place sure but he did he didn't suggest it so I think we're not going to be able to stay there all right 8592 I was really

trying because I know like this dude's got a lot of money and I was like it'll be amazing we can stop on the grapes and all that said well he's not going to let us he's not going to let's do 859, 280, 20, 87. We'll take a break. Final segment, the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show. Welcome back.

It is the local toy dealers, KSR post-game show. I don't know how many of you are still up with me at 115 in the morning. If you are, go ahead and 772-744. Let me know where you're listening. I know a lot of you be listening on podcast smart. But if you're awake right now,

go ahead and send it. I like this message. The definition of Billy Confidence is buying a strutton for Sutton Hat for $45 off eBay and then turning down $100 for it. That is Billy Confidence. That's right. Might flip it for even more. Oh, you think you think you're going to get more for that?

I already got an offer for $150. No, you didn't. From somebody online anonymous. Yeah, but that may not be. That's not real. You know, it's like when I would say to my grandfather, I'd be like, you see this baseball card right here, it'd be worth $20. It's worth $20.

And I go, but the baseball card shop. only will give me $10 for it. And he goes, well, then I guess it's worth $10. Was the guy on the baseball card winking at you? I can't remember a baseball card that had a guy winked. It is a good wink. But somebody says in the picture it looks dirty. What are you going to do if it's dirty?

Well, then I'm going to wish I sold it for $100. Exactly. All right, who's next? Eddie in California. Eddie, how are you, Eddie? Hey, good evening, gentlemen. First of all, prayers to all the people in Kentucky and the South for all the weather. My son lives out there in Lexington, so I'm constantly looking at the update.

So thank you for putting on that $7,000, the newscasters, getting them involved and keeping everybody updated on that. Of course. You really, you really just piqued my interest tonight when you mentioned Strudden for Sutton. I've been a 40-year Kentucky Wildcat fan. I went to high school in California, read the California with Robert Locke. And some of my first heroes were Kenny Skywalker, Rex Chapman, Cedric Jenkins. And it's just, it's just been, you know, 40 years. and they've been my team.

I know they're your team. And I have a question. The last year's team really got me excited again. The maturity of those seniors, the professionalism. You never heard them talking about money. It was always about Kentucky, the name on the front. Yeah. I think this year's team has a lot of, I don't want to say immature,

but there's a lot of growing up to do. and having said that, how do you think the booing part? I don't think it plays any to it. How do you gentlemen feel about that affecting recruiting for the new kids? Well, I mean, you know, maybe, but I think the thing about the money part is that those kind of things you're talking about become less important now. I mean, they matter, but they don't, I mean, I don't think you can overcome that. uh, in, because of that. But, you know, I appreciate the call.

I mean, listen, our fan base is our, is our strongest characteristic. But it can also be our, our weakest if we, if it goes too far. But I don't, I don't think it has. I don't think booing in a couple games, uh, is going to matter. One person writes, Matt, what do you think about the video that was posted earlier with the players chanting money before they were? walked on the court. I saw that video.

I think people are overreacting because I don't think you, I'm not going to, like, what did they chant like tough money or something, Billy? What did they chant? I didn't see the chanting. I saw UK was like in the tunnel with the media. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But they said something like tough money or what. The thing you have to remember is unless you speak, unless you speak college kids

or like young basketball players, like you don't even. Like, you don't even really know what they're talking about. So I think you have to be very careful if you are middle-aged white person trying to understand the slang of 18, 19, 20-year-old basketball players. So don't you agree with that? I don't read anything into that. I'm still hip and no, the lingo. Just that phrase right there says I do not trust you.

out of the kids. I do not trust you. I mean, I just, I've learned that like when I don't think something, when it doesn't make sense, it's probably some song I don't know or some tick. Like I just, so I, I'd be very careful to judge. I think it's, it's nothing. All right, four more. Who's next? Double D. By the way, see, every time I ask, listen, I mean, let me just read you real quick. What? Danville, San Jose, Palm Bay, Florida, Franklin, Ohio, Mulemberg County, West End of Louisville, Colorado, Ballard County, just Lickinan County, just licking all this. Always makes me happy to see where people are listed. Go ahead, sir. Australia. Double D. Yes, sir.

Hey, good night. Thank you all for taking my call tonight. Of course. Billy, congrats on the hat. Thank you. Matt, I just want to say that he, you know, got a couple callers ago, the guy was saying, the cow he'd like to coach the popular guys but being with uh being with uh pope i got it i got it sorry i'm sorry double d you can't just you can he's gone what's that gonna sound like

were people at home are they going to know why you drop that no no so they won't hear us will they hear his call? They'll hear the first few seconds of it. Okay, for people don't know. I think. He lost his train and just dropped the cuss word in the middle of the night. Well, isn't it after, what is it after one? Can't you say anything?

I don't know that rule well enough to let that slide, honestly. I think there's a rule that like, it might be two. It's either 12, one or two. But at one of those points, you can just say whatever. That's why Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla could start talking. FCC's Safe Harbor hours are from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. So, you could have left it.

But there's kids listening and I understand. So I do it for the kids. Sorry, Double D. You just can't, you can't just be dropping that in the middle of the night. Who's next? Doing great. Go ahead, sir. Matt, I hope you're doing well. Thank you.

I want to give a shout to Billy because. Touch money. Touch money is what it says. That's what they said, touch money. But I'm sure that's a slogan. All right. Sorry about that. I want to give a shout out to Billy, because Billy always lets me in. I listen to the all show every day. Today, for example, I know Shannon for 47 minutes on hold and didn't let me in. So thank you, Billy. Well, it's not really Shannon's fault. Like, I mean, I don't call for as many calls during the day. So when you call during the day, it's all about where we are in the pace of the show. So it's not always Shannon's fault. Sometimes it might be mine.

But go ahead. Okay, okay. Fair enough. Well, I'm looking at my notes here. This is very serious. Okay, okay, okay. So, sorry. Here's my question.

Here's my question. Here's my question. Hear me out. So obviously tonight was very frustrating. And I don't know if you're from last week, but last week I tried to pump him to punch them. shine after the Ole Miss win, after win, you know, five wins in a row. So let's say the rest of the season we go, what, 10 and 8 and the SEC, 9 and

I don't know, whatever it takes to get a 9-seater-eight seed in the tournament. Why are we immediately refuting the idea of, you know, making some sort of run? Because I've heard throughout the show that, you know, we're not going to be a national championship winner, which you probably won't, but, like, you know, tonight was frustrating, but why are we immediately recruiting the idea? Well, I'm refute. I mean, we're not going to win a title. I mean, we're not, but I'm not refuting making a run.

I think we are just, when you are not, when you're not a one seat or a two seat, what you are doing is putting your mercy, putting your fate at the mercy of the, the bracket, right? So like, so for us, let's say we're a 10 seat or a nine seat. It's all going to be about who we happen to draw, right? And if we draw a team that we match up well with, who knows, you might have a chance of pulling upset. But if you draw a team that can put 95 up, even if they're a 70, we might get blown out

in the first round. So you don't control your own fate, is what I'm saying. I remember when 2014, when the bracket came out, one of our callers, Hink, called in and said, I remember him saying when he called in, this is a great draw for us because we match up well with every team in the bracket. he turned out to be correct. We actually did match up well with all those teams. But then there, what could be a world, we get somebody that we have no chance of beating because of matchup. So that's the only thing. Could you make a run? Yeah, but you're at the mercy

of the bracket show as to who you get. Okay, okay. That's totally fair. I just wanted to make that point that, you know, we made that, we had a tough year that one year and then we still made a run. So I understand it's unlikely this year, but let's, you know, wait to be tonight's soft, but we'll see. Let's hope. I appreciate the call. I just got the call today that I'm hosting the bracket show again, Bill. So going up to Bristol up at ESPN, and it's an hour longer this year. So it's three hours.

Three hours of hosting from six to nine at night on. I love it. It's great. That's an exciting night to be at ESPN, because all these people, are in studio, right? They all go there. So everybody's in the building and it's exciting. Seth Greenberg ignores me in the hallways. Fulty-Aides tells you to get up. No, it's how I know who these people are. Like, that's how I meet all these people. That's the one night a year I'm up there. So, you know, oh, there's Tom Crean. You know,

there's Ron Slay. It's always kind of fun because that's the one time I get to meet everybody. All right. Two people. Who's next? Matt, it's time for our Johnny Rocker, personal injury attorney, moneymaker of the game. Injured, get small-town compassion with big city results when you call the Rocker at 270321-4429. And while there were only two Kentucky players that scored more than one field goal in the game, were giving the Johnny Rocker role player of the game to all the fans who went down to Nashville. And all the fans that have been in Nashville that have witnessed UK blown out by Alabama in the SEC tournament last year, all the fans that were at the Gonzaga game, where Kentucky lost baseball.

by 35. All the fans that were at this game and watched the domination tonight, you are deserving of our Johnny Rocker role player of the game. How much did we lose to Alabama about last year in the tournament in the SEC tournament? No, I'd be, what's the score? Because that would mean our last three games in Nashville have been by what scores? Because we lost by 35 to Gonzaga. We lost by 25 to tonight to Vand. It was 99 to 70. So we lost by 29. So we have lost by 89 points in our last three games in Nashville. That's crazy.

We've lost by 89 points in our last three games in Nashville. That's hard to even. That's terrible. All right, two more and we'll go to bed. Who's next? Big Z. Big Z. Go ahead.

Hey, Matt. Hey, Billy. I appreciate you guys taking my call. A couple things. So when people say, you know, hey, it really doesn't matter. I don't care anymore. I'm telling you, it's 1.30 in the morning. I'm talking as low as I can so my wife doesn't wake up and invite me to Las Vegas on Friday.

And I'm recovering from a total knee replacement. And I'm sitting here in our bathroom, not in the actual commode, but in the bathroom so my wife doesn't kill me. Matt, this matters. I'm going to tell you what it means for me. The two and a half hours before the game and the game and the after the game, that is time with my best friend and my son, Ethan, that I look forward. to every single game. And my fear is, I don't think the opposite of love is hate. I think it's indifference. And I'm afraid of that. So tonight Ethan says, hey, dad, will you please? Matt's got to

write a second book to Mitch, please, and say, Mitch, please, retire. And let's, you know, could play Barnhart. So I say that a little tongue in cheek, Matt. But, you know, I don't know Pope. I do know one other Mormon guy. I know he's the best guy I've met in my life. And I think Pope is too. And I coach soccer through high school and the KHSAA. You've got to motivate these kids. And he's so smart. Like, you're a genius. And when you explain stuff, I'm like, oh, makes perfect sense. I don't know that he can articulate and connect with these kids. And I think that might kind of be the problem. And I just, you know, do you think that, hey, whatever happens this season is next year do or die for him? And listen, Matt, one more time. Before you go, go ahead,

go ahead. Just to say your last thing. There. Yeah, go ahead. well no i just wanted to say uh and there's one other thing i love how much you love your mother and i love how much you love larry that makes me so happy and uh you know for whatever people say that you're a great man i appreciate you we love you we love billy but i do want to give a shout out to even my son and my best friend that we get all this time together and it matters and uh it does you know thank you for those words and let me let me let me uh let me let me make a couple points Don't go yet, because let me make a couple of points to what you said. Yes, sir.

First of all, yes, the opposite of sort of love is indifference. And I don't ever want to see indifference with this fan base, and I don't. I literally have hundreds of messages when I ask people to say where they're from. And these are people listening right now. And tomorrow at 3 o'clock, I'll look on the charts, and this will be a top 15 podcast. So people care. Secondly, your point about smart and connecting is a very good one. I went to law school.

There were 200 people in my class at Duke, and probably 195 of them were very smart. We did have a few idiots, but for the most part, everybody was very smart. But the amount of those people that I thought could go into a small town in Kentucky and not be just completely mocked or ignored was like, 15% right and to me that was what like true intelligence is both is being able to be both I think mark connects with people really well in the abstract right like on press conferences like he seems like a great dude but when you're with somebody every day like all the slogans go away and it's just do I do I jive with this person you know and I

I think it remains to be seen. I think some of the players he does, but does he do it with the elite talents? I don't know. I'm not there, so I can't say. I think he did do it with the guys last year. It just hasn't seemed to work as well this year. And your last point is next year, do or die?

Yeah, I think so. I think every coach, minus something crazy, deserves three years. You know, Billy, the something crazy was all the off-the-court stuff. But if Billy Gillespie hadn't had the off-the-court stuff, sir, he'd have gotten a third year. You know, he just had all the off-the-court stuff. So, yes. The last thing I want to say, I want to beg you, Heather is my kind of people.

If you can get her on the ESPN show to say, now coming for King of the Heel, I think we got to bring it to the mountains. She'd be good at that. The people are the best. And Matt, one last day, I always hope, and I pray that my son loves his mother, like you love your mother. Have a great night, guys. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it.

I do. And, you know, I'm not going to go into detail, but also got some positive news this week with Larry, too. So that's good. So thank you all for all the nice comments people have been saying. Last call. Who's next? Love to hear that. And also the best idea that you had that we never worked out was the callers doing the draft king's disclaimers that we couldn't do.

So Heather, John Short. Oh, that's a good week. Why don't you just do that? You should get Heather to do the draft. And she goes, Rock Hill Casino in Kansas. I would love that. 18 plus in D.C. Wyoming and Kentucky. All right, one more.

Tim. Tim, go ahead, Tim. Hey, Matt, I'm glad to be the Johnny Rocker role player. That's fantastic. I was there tonight. Congratulations, Tim. Let me tell you, I've been a national twice this year. Oh, you've been to both.

Good old money. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah, I sent you the picture of the five guys at the restaurant. Yes, I got that. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we enjoyed that part.

Next part, not so much. I'll tell you, I don't know how a coach can sit there and talk to his assistance. When you're down 20 points and you give up four or five layups, a couple threes in the corner, and you're not in there chewing somebody. I don't get it. I know he's nice. I know he's nice. But, I mean, it was awful.

I mean, I expect to lose sometimes because you can't win them all. It's no way. You know, you just lose. But when you don't put the effort that a Kentucky basketball player should put, I mean, it's just awful. And I believe, Blue, I'm 61 years old, but a fan for, you know, as long as I've been born. I've seen it all. But this here, this is getting bad.

I mean, Nashville twice, two-hour drive, and get beat by. 60. 60 points in two games. And I was there at the SEC tournament against Hanging M when Reed Shepard. So how about that? That was a bad one, too. First time I ever went to the SEC tournament for the whole tournament. I had been there for a game or two, but I went for the whole tournament and got beat.

And I went and got some cookies and milk and went to bed. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your call. And hey, hey, go to bed. You deserve to go to bed. You deserve that you. Hayden go to bed. Appreciate the call.

You deserve. the Johnny Rocker fan of the day. I'm going to even give it to that guy specifically. I like that. I send us a picture pregame with his five buddies. I like that. Thank you all very much for staying up. Congrats to Billy on his strutton

with Sutton hat. And hey, this ended up being more fun than I thought. I'm going to go to bed because in eight hours I'll be up again. They do this one in the morning. Cats lose. Yeah. Hopefully it'll be better. I don't know. I don't know how much better is going to be Saturday.

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of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, A, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, Rhett, my mama want you to weigh better. What?

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We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoffs. moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was funny. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis come until he's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.