KSR - NFL Cover Zero: Broncos Comeback, Eagles Offense, Colts Impress, and Cowboys Cruise!

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin open Week 7 with the Broncos miraculous comeback over the Giants.  This win shows why the NFL is so great.  The Eagles found their offense today against the Vikings, who had an interesting approach to try to stop the tush push.  Micah Parsons had a breakout day for the Packers,   The Rams made it look easy against the Jaguars in London.  Rashee Rice returns for the Chiefs and Matt thinks they're back in Super Bowl form.  Tua Tagovailoa struggles again and it may be time for change in Miami. How does Drew feel about Cam Ward after the Titans loss to the Patriots? The Bears win their 4th straight game. Another impressive outing for the Colts, could they be the best team in the NFL? The Cowboys offense is coming together with CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens.  How close are we to seeing a 70 yard field goal? Matt is amazed at the 49ers winning another game with so many injuries.  Will Brandon Graham make a comeback with the Eagles? We wrap up with Monday Night Football previews starting with a great matchup between the Bucs and Lions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and IHeart podcast. All right. It's another episode of NFL Cover Zero. We are week seven, Matt Jones and Drew Franklin. I had some technical difficulties at the NFL Studios Lexington branch. So we all went back home and you're getting to see us in our house.

is. My sound isn't as good because I don't have the modern technology of these other guys, but nevertheless, we're ready to go. Drew, I wouldn't say the most exciting week of football ever, but maybe a little bit more exciting than last week. Did you enjoy today's action? Yeah, I mean, any day I get to watch the NFL, I enjoyed it, had a nice day on the couch where I literally just watched about every snap that I could, dabbled in Red Zone, but then I watched all of my Tennessee Titans. I couldn't miss that one. So a big day for me of being a...

I don't know if it's like this for you. For me, the problem with the red zone is I hit, there's a red zone nap that occurs that I simply cannot stop. 5.15 p.m. Eastern, I'm going to fall asleep. Generally speaking, it's going to be with the Cardinals are going to be on my screen. That's going to be my last memory, which means there's going to be visions of Kyler Murray

or today Jacobi Brissette, dancing in my head as I fall asleep. But the 515 Sunday Red Zone nap is undefeated for me. I usually wake up half time of the second game, but I have not seen the second quarter of a four o'clock game yet this year in the NFL. Are you able to doze off, though, when it's kind of pick it up the pace a little bit? Or is it just the second quarter of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a I'm locked in for the 1 o'clock games through the witching hour,

and I'm locked in for the beginning of the 4 o'clock games. But when we get in the second quarter, the Chargers are going to be playing on one of the screens. They said the Cardinals are going to be playing on one of them. I know that's going to happen, and I'm going to drift to sleep. And then I'll wake up. It'll be halftime. Hansen's going to be telling me how, you know, well, you should have seen what happened in the Panthers game earlier today. And then I kind of get back ready for the end.

It is a good time to take a little break before we get into the night game. I made a nice soup during the second quarter of the finals today. Yeah, I can still see the game, had it on in the background. What kind of soup did we make? It's an Italian minestrone soup. I saw the recipe on TikTok. I'm very excited. I haven't eaten it yet.

It was for lunches, so I'm looking forward to it. So did you, when you say make a soup, did you mix everything together? Did you? Yes. Yeah, I think I made three different meals today while watching. football. I couldn't do all couch. The back starts to hurt if I don't get up, move around just a little bit. For people who don't listen to our

Kentucky show, I made a goal this year of learning how to cook. Not been successful. I think that's fair to say. Really, not successful at all. I think I might actually know less about cooking now than I did nine

months ago. So that's going to now be a 2026 resolution. We're just going to fast fast forward it to another year and then get it then. Been a busy year, but you haven't given up on it yet. I haven't given up. I mean, it's not looking good, but I haven't given up on it yet. Well, let's go.

We're going to go through these games. I think you've got to start with the game in Denver. Broncos beat the Giants 33 to 32. And absolutely unbelievable, 46 points were scored in the fourth quarter of this game. 46 points. The Giants were up 19 to nothing to start to fourth quarter. the Broncos score 33 points in the fourth quarter. Giant score 13.

Normally, that's probably enough to win in the fourth quarter. I could sit here and go back and forth. But I would say if you were trying to show someone who had never watched the NFL, why is the NFL great? Wouldn't you just show the fourth quarter of that game today? Oh, yeah. I mean, sure, it had 46 points or whatever, but it just had everything. You had turnovers, big field goals.

guys making plays. Sad kickers. Sad kickers. That was hard to watch. We'll get to that in just a second. But I saw the, you know, we're big on the next gen stats. We always have a big next gen stat. They said that fourth quarter was the most improbable comeback,

or the seventh most improbable comeback since they've been doing next gen stats. That's how wild it was. You know, when it was 19 to nothing, then it was 19 to 8, when they made it 26 to 8, I really genuinely, I remember they showed Sean Payton on the sideline. It was 26 to 8, and there were like nine minutes to go. And I thought, Sean thinks he has a chance. How naive is that dude?

Like, look at him over there, acting like they're still in this game. I was mocking Sean Peyton for like looking like this game wasn't over, and then he ends up having the last laugh. I think part of what made it great is Bo Nix and Jackson Dart, neither one of them, they're both young enough and reckless enough that you believe in any moment something great or horrific could happen. And I think that actually is part of what makes it so interesting because in that fourth quarter, they made some amazing plays, and then they made some really stupid plays. And I think actually having those two kind of swashbuckling young chaps actually helped quite a bit. Yeah, you can't deny, they both have a little bit of swagger.

You know, Dart had the full extension for the touchdown. that looked like it would have been a game winner, but shortly before that, he has the horrible interception. He's still doing, like, cross-filled throws you shouldn't be doing, but pulling them off, but it made for an entertaining game. I was, I'm kind of a closet, or a closet Sean Peyton Hater. Did you see when he got the 15-yard penalty there at the end and how that could have been. He did for running out on the field. I wanted them to lose just so he would have to sit there and eat it. Yeah, I mean, I actually think that pass interference on that play was a little sketchy. I'm not sure if it was. I understand why he was upset. I did like the debate of

was the penalty on the two and they get it on the one or was the penalty on the four and they get it on the two. It sounded like the announcers were kind of fighting with each other about it. Brian Dayball is like running out. Sean Payton's running out. You rarely see though the coach arguing so much he gets a flag. That's like something you see in the NBA with technicals. You don't see that a lot in the NFL and in such a key moment, but they ended up winning the game and so it didn't matter. a couple things that stood out to me. First of all, Jackson Dart threw one of the worst interceptions of all time. I mean, he almost came back and it didn't matter.

But that interception he threw, I mean, basically, as long as he doesn't throw an interception, they probably win that game. But by throwing an interception, they get the ball in the 20, they're able to score quickly. If they punt there, I think they probably run out the clock and are not able to win the game. you could not have had a worse sequence there by Jackson Dart, who otherwise played very well. It was a horrible interception. It wasn't like a guy made a play or a batted ball. I don't know what the hell he was looking at. I mean, he just threw it directly to the linebacker. And it was fat. The linebacker was fat. It feels like you'd seem just for sheer wits on the side.

I feel like you would have seen him. Directly in front of him, too. A horrible, horrible look for him. But as you said, it's kind of what you're going to get when you've got a gunslinger that just took over the reins. You also had two touchdowns scored off deflected passes. That and both of them deflected passes were deflects and the guy catches it in stride and keeps running. Like that is, again, if you just want to see the absurdity of football, you throw an oblong object and bounces off one guy. The other guy catches it. He acts like it was supposed to happen and then everybody celebrates. I also need to ask a question about Jackson Dark. You know, I black that people wear under their eyes. Start with this question. What is it supposed to do? What's it? What is the

in, it's supposed to. It captures the race. What does that mean? People say that, but I don't, I tend to think that's nonsense. The light hits this and stays here and keeps it out of your eyes. Do you believe that? Not really. I don't believe it. It's more like war paint. Yeah, I don't believe it does anything. First of all, I've never, played a sport where I felt like things were bouncing off my cheek and going into my eye and it was somehow that was a distraction. But, all right, fine, you have eye paint, whatever. Jackson Dart, though, he only has it on one cheek. This is why I'm a little skeptical of him. Does he only want to keep the son out of one eye? He's fine with the other eye being, like,

I don't understand Jackson Dart's eye paint. And as soon as I saw that, I thought the Broncos would win. Yeah, the eye paint is kind of becoming, it seems like cosplay for some of them, almost like a wrestler like they're putting that on. You might have a guy looking like Sting here before long. I like that. But Jackson Dart, he's more looking like a fifth member of Kiss than the actual reason where you're supposed to put it right under your eyelids. Billy, your guy Scataboo scored a touchdown for the Giants.

He's becoming like a folk hero to people. Can I be the one person that's anti-scataboo? It feels like everyone loves Scataboo. Can I be con Scataboo? No reason. Just hater mentality. I don't, everyone likes him too much. And I just want to say I'm, I'm anti-scadaboo.

He's done nothing to me, but I've decided, Drew, anti-scataboo. I love him. And he's good. He's real good. He had probably close to 100 total yards today. But, I mean, he's just one of those guys will just run through anyone. just lower in his head and he is barreling through. He knocked over the defensive lineman a couple weeks ago,

had a couple more plays like that today. He's just so fun to watch, an old school football player. All right, so that brings me to the moment that most stood out to me. Of course, the Giants score. They go up two with 27 seconds left, and the guy misses the extra point. Now, they, I believe the Giants signed the coup kid from, that was on Atlanta, right?

I think he is, their squad now. I couldn't be wrong about that, but let's just go with it in case. I think he's on their squad. I think he's on the practice squad. They end up not bringing him up. What is the kickers name who missed two extra points? You're right about coup. Graham Gano has been their kicker, but he's hurt. So they have three kickers. Yeah. Jude McAtamney, I believe. Jude Macatamie is how I'm going to be on the team anymore come tomorrow. Is his name. So he misses, he's apparently a former Rutgers kicker, I saw in the post game that he said his dream was to play for the Giants and hit a game winning kick, which is a wonderful dream for a guy that went to Rutgers to have. But then what happens when you don't hit the game winning kick, you actually miss two chip shots and you lose because of that.

Did you? And the cameras were not giving the guy any mercy. They showed him 25 times in the last 30 seconds. Did you think it was a little much? I did. And it's not just that they kept showing him, which the camera people are already vicious when they do this. But it's almost like they staged a sad area for him.

Yeah, no one came and talked to him. But there's like this long bench, but he was sitting on the very end, like hanging on. No one was near him. I think they dimmed the lights around him a little bit, and then they just had the 4K shot on him. I felt terrible for him. I mean, you've got to make your extra points.

But the tight shot of zooming in over and over, it was actually breaking my heart a little bit. It felt like, honestly, the way it was staged, it felt like Sarah McLaughlin should be singing in the background, in the arms of an angel. It was like those old commercials that she would have about pets that were being neglected. It was really sad.

And the other thing was, kicking is such a, like, solitary, terrible lifestyle. Now, nobody was even trying to act like it was okay. I mean, you could see on the people's faces. They were like, get him out of here. We hate him. Jackson Dart, I think, put him in a locker after the game was over. I felt really bad for him. I don't kickers, look right now, they're literally on the highlights.

They're showing him. One guy taps his head and then just walks off. Not a good day for him. So I was wondering this as I'm watching him. I'm on my 20th minute of watching him sitting there sad because they keep showing him. And I wondered if he just literally walked out and didn't go to the locker, because he knows he's fired. So he's gone.

He'll be gone before this podcast gets up. I mean, if he literally just fired himself, like, didn't go back to the locker room and walked out to the parking lot in his pads and got an Uber and stayed in Denver. I mean, I would like that. How would that work? And you also miss kicks in Denver where apparently like anyone could kick at 75 yards. He misses them both. And, of course, they end up winning the game.

Brian Dayball, I don't know if you see. saw when the kick was made, he throws his hat on the ground. Like he was, it was almost like a comic anger moment. He throws his hat on down, throws his headset. That may be the game that we look back and say that's why Brian Dayball gets fired. Because if they win that and they're three and four with some momentum, it might have been different. Now two and five probably not happening for it.

Yeah, I was thinking giants are going to go blow out a very good Denver team through three quarters there. And that dayball is going to be fine. they're building something, and now two extra points could go the other way. Some coaches, you'll see him comfort the kicker. You know, sorry, pal, we'll get him next time now. Not Daveau. That hat got thrown.

He's like, kid, find a job. We'll see what's next. The Eagles beat the Vikings. 2822. Jalen Hertz had, you know, people had said, where's the Eagles offense? Found it today. Devonte Smith, 183 receiving yards. That's a crazy amount.

And then A.J. Brown, who's, of course, been topic of a lot of conversations, 121 yards, two touchdowns. The quote after the game, Jalen Hertz said, after looking around, he quote, uncovered his swag again. I'm not sure what that means, but maybe it means the Eagles are back on track. He can call it swag. I think it's more. They just opened the offense a little better.

You mentioned Smith's big game, but A.J. Brown got two touchdowns. He even had a moment. He yelled something after his touchdown where the mic caught him, like, see what happens when you throw me the ball? So instead of just kind of running up the gut with Sequin and Tush pushing their way through the season, I think they're finally realizing Led Hurts throw it around a little bit. He had a perfect passer rating today. And they flipped the switch.

Yeah, he played great. And for people who want to make the case, we often talk on my ESPN show about how the top four quarterbacks in the league are generally settled. And then the question is always who's fifth. Because once you get past Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Lamar, who's fifth? Jay and Hertz made the case for fifth today. You mentioned the tush push. Let's talk about the biggest takeaway of the game to me,

which is the Vikings tried to figure out the tush push. It reminds me of in hockey when people would say, well, why don't you just get a goalie that's really fat? Like, that's always the, for people who don't watch hockey. I like the idea of, okay, we want to stop the tush push. Let's just have someone lay down. Did you like that? I did.

it drew a false start. But even Jason Kelsey, I saw he came out and he kind of explained while they would try it and said, you know, that makes sense. They're trying to get low to the point of contact and just, you know, block up every space they can. But I wondered how you go up to that guy like, hey, man, you're a great player. We love you. But we literally just need you to lay here. Just lay down. Just sacrifice yourself.

Yeah, just, you know, I don't know if there's more of an injury potential there for him. But that's quite the ask to just lay you down at the line of scrimmage there and have your team. Matt Tuttle over you. Yeah, he did a little Conway Twitty, lay you down and softly whisper that they weren't going to get the push push. I like the creativity. I mean, you know, for people who think the Tush push shouldn't be illegal, I think it probably should. But for those that think you don't, you go, okay, well, it inspires this, this creativity. They got the false start, which got him out of the way. So I actually thought it was pretty good. Did you think the T.J. Hawkinson touchdown, do you think it should have been overturned on review? He was very, very, very.

upset after the game. I liked the call at first, and then I saw how mad he was, and I'm terrified of, you know, his rage. So I'm going to side with him. Yeah, I kind of thought it probably was a fumble or probably wasn't a catch. Incompletion. But I don't think, and I'm surprised they overruled it, because the call in the field, I didn't think it was definitive.

I never understand the whole, if it's not definitive, we change it. I leaned that it was the right one, but that's very close. Do you feel after all these years you know what a catch is? No, not at all. I really, the rule about the follow the completion of the catch where you have to like land, roll over, do your taxes, and then finish it. I still don't, I still don't really get it. I still don't really know the moment, especially when you're talking about on the goal line,

where I thought if you crossed the goal line, the play was over. So I've never really understood how that rule works. Yeah, if you're running back, if you're running, you just get the nose of the ball to barely cross. You're good, but a receiver has to roll over three times and make sure they hold on to it for six seconds. Work like a dog? I don't get it.

It's very inconsistent depending on the crew. Yeah, well, the Eagles win. Carson Wentz playing the way he did, I think makes it more likely that J.J. McCarthy's given that job when he comes back. But still, you could maybe see it going either way. Did you see there was a Carson Wins blooper reel all from this one game? No, I didn't. It was like a season's worth of bloopers all from just this game.

So definitely got to get rid of him. Well, Carson Wins did get engaged at the castle in Versailles, Kentucky. And for those of you that aren't from Kentucky, that whole sentence may sound strange, that there is a castle and that the town's name is Versailles and not Versailles. but go look it up if you've never seen it. There's a castle, and Carson Wins got engaged there. It doesn't have a lot to do with this game. I just felt like that was something that I needed to throw in there.

I took his move. I did it a month later. Got a copycat of Carson Wins. You got engaged there too? Yeah, like really a month after Carson wins. I thought you got engaged at like Nate Bargazzi show. We went there after. Yeah, we saw you there.

Yeah, yeah. So Carson and I, we're kind of the same. when it comes to the romantic stuff. I think you should have gotten engaged at Nate Bargazzi's show. I think that would be a lot. I think that would be a better story and probably something your wife Abby would have enjoyed. And Cardinals, this to me was the Micah Parsons is a Packer now game, right? He had three sacks.

I was kind of surprised first game of his career where he had three sacks. I think I would have assumed that that had happened in Dallas. But he also, it was definitive. when you knew when he was on the field. I mean, on the Cardinal's final drive where they were driving to try to win the game, they take him out, they throw a 25-yard pass. He comes back in, the announcers go,

Michael Parsons back in, next play was a sack. I mean, it was like literally you, in that drive, could see the difference between having Michael Parsons and not. Yeah, that was, you know, Michael Parsons at his best, that last drop. He absolutely wrecked them. It seemed every play.

If he wasn't getting a stat, him in and making a mistake. He was in the back field. It seemed like every time they dropped back. Kind of been quiet there in Green Bay. He's been fine. You know, had the injury, getting acclimated to things. But that was by far his breakout game. He's still a nightmare of a pass rusher. Well, he had kind of been surprisingly, like, almost shockingly quiet up until this point. You felt it today. And he needed to play well because Jacoby Brissette was very good, had three touchdown passes. Cardinals had a chance down the stretch, just couldn't quite make the play. while the game was fun,

I think the more interesting thing to me was that the Packers had to sit on the runway for five hours before they came to the game. So I guess there were mechanical issues that made them have to sit on the runway before they came to Arizona. You know, I had a couple thoughts. First of all, have you ever been on a plane, Drew,

where they tell you they have mechanical issues before? Yes. I have two. I immediately want them to cancel the fight. I mean, when they say we're having mechanical issues, and especially the longer it goes, I don't think there's any reason for it to fly. If you had been on that runway for five hours,

would you have wanted to take off? No, and I wouldn't have one of been on the runway either. I don't understand when they have the mechanical issues. Can we not step off while you all figure this out, and I'll go inside to Chili's 2? Why do I have to sit here in this hot airplane while you're figuring out this mechanical. Yeah, they don't, they won't let you leave again.

That, like, almost never happens. I'm with you. I don't like the mechanical issues. And I also don't understand how they can just fix it while you're out in the middle. I mean, I would think there would need to be a garage or they need to lift something up. I've never, every time they do that, I feel, I feel awful about it. And I also start to get in my head when that happens. I'm impressed the Packers were able to get over.

Oh, yeah, they did the walkthrough. I saw they played cards, but the craziest part was they had two planes. The other one had like staff, not coaches and players, just like random staff members. And that one took off and got to Arizona. It's like, why not let the other players turn around and then let the players go first? Like you have the media crew and the social media team gets to Arizona, but your players and coaches, I'm thinking order of personnel should have gone first off the runway there. Yeah, I like that, though.

Social media people need to set up, and then the players get there when they get there. The day started in London with the Rams beating the Jaguars, 35 to 7. There's very little to say about this game. I mean, Matthew Stafford played awesome. The game was actually never competitive. I mean, the Rams were up 14-0 early. Travis Hunter did score his first touchdown ever for the Jaguars. But it was just, it was brutal.

And it also, there was, I noticed on social media, someone said that fans in the stadium started singing random songs during the game. Not songs about the game, just people were starting up songs. And they sang apparently Bruno Mars and they sang Robbie Williams, I guess, a British singer. That doesn't happen in America, but it does in Britain. Bobby Williams is got to be one of the only people that is massively famous in Britain. And the only thing people know about him here is they made that movie with him as a monkey. That was the only thing that did, which I also don't think anybody saw.

But they just decided to make a biography of him where he was a monkey. And he got good reviews, actually. But did you see that movie? No, I have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what I'm talking about? No, you're going to have to explain this one to me a little bit more. Millie, do you know what I'm talking about? There's a CGI movie about Robbie.

It's an autobiography of Robbie Williams, but he's a monkey. You aren't looking to be like I'm crazy. Do you not know about the Robbie Williams monkey movie? No, I do not. Not at all. Look at all. Look it up. There's a movie where Robbie Williams is a monkey.

And it got like really good reviews. And it's called. I don't know what it's called. It's called Monkey Robbie Williams movie. But it exists. I'm not just crazy. Although I have to give Travis Hunter one shout out on it. I don't think he played much defense today,

but they did throw at him one time on Devante Adams. And he made a crazy cornerback play past breakup in addition to his big receiving game. He did. That was a big play. This was his best game for if you're kind of waiting to see when Travis Hunter was going to have a game, even though they lost by 28. This was the game. All right, Chiefs Raiders, Chiefs 31 Raiders nothing.

Rishie Rice comes back after six-game suspension immediately scores a touchdown. This was Billy's Survivor League pick, which made him get to move on as well as I won mine with the Patriots too. So he and I are both involved. You are still out of it, Drew. Rishie Rice gets a touchdown. And Mahomes was pretty excellent throughout the game. There are very few things. I've done my Chris Collinsworth with Mahomes.

The only Tony Romo, he doesn't moan and pant quite like Collinsworth, but Tony Romo starts giggling like a schoolboy with Mahomes as well. Yeah, and he looks so good today. He looked great. As someone that was doubted him early in the year, I just got to apologize and admit that I was an idiot for not considering the importance of Worthy and now Rice in that offense. I mean, they went to Rice right away.

First touchdown the game. They had two in the whole game. But the Chiefs stole. look like they've missed much of a beat since getting those guys back. Well, offensively, they look like the Chiefs three years ago. I mean, I know they made the Super Bowl. They've been won the Super Bowl two years ago, made it last year, but they really haven't looked like the Chiefs of the first two Super Bowls.

They really haven't looked like since then, but I think the last two weeks they have, and today was maybe the one that was the most impressive to me. I mean, it felt like they could have scored 45. And obviously, if they kept Mahomes in the game, the Raiders had no answer. You know, I ranked them last week, number one, as did you. I kind of feel more confident about that today than I did before. Yeah, I guess nothing changed for me, really, being the Raiders.

The Raiders looked so bad. At one point, we had Kenny Pickett in. I don't know if you saw that. Kenny Pickett literally took a snap. His first snap as a Raider and fumbled it. and Chiefs recovered. It's one of those days. It happens.

I still wonder about the Chief's defense a little bit. Chris Jones had a fun moment. They went viral on the sideline today. I don't know if you saw that too. He was having a good time. But just a blowout win for them. And they're so back. Not that they ever left.

30 first downs for the Chiefs today. The Raiders only had 30 plays. That is one of the more amazing statistics that I can ever remember in a game. 30 downs to 30 plays. Romo, I think the most viral moment of the game, though, is Patrick Mahomes, who they go to do the thing, which he's right, never works, which is where you try to draw the people off sides and do the hard count. He does it. You hear him over the broadcast curse. Did they have a microphone on Mahomes?

How in the world did that? How in the world was that so loud? Yeah, that seemed like it was part of the bit. It was so loud. He says, I hate this never. bleepin works. And it never really, and so Romo's like, oh, it doesn't work. And then he fakes him out and they actually run the play and they get the first down. First of all, Andy Reed is brilliant. I love that entire sequence. Just shows they're, they're just toying people now having so much fun out there.

But that one, the Raiders truly fooled them because you can see their defense kind of stand up like they're thinking, you know, go on and punt or whatever. But I pulled it off. Yes, they did. And the Raiders, Ashton Jensie's having a great year. He ran the ball six times today. Like, they're just wasting that guy. He's having a pretty good rookie season. I genuinely believe if you're not a good team, then you shouldn't be allowed to have good running backs.

Because we have no idea if Ashton Genty's good. I mean, we just have no idea. And he really is wasted on a bad team. It should be a rule that teams that are bad should not be able to draft first-round running backs because it is a complete waste. He is the biggest waste of a player, and it's not his fault. But if you don't have the offensive line, it's not going to matter. Yeah, and you've got a guy who could be special,

it could be a rookie of the year, but then that offense is also invested in Gino and Pete, who need to hang it up that's showing that that's not working out for those two guys. I ain't going to get harsh to Gino. I like Gino. Why are you going to be so mean? Rough here for Gino. Browns beat the Dolphins, 31 to 6, 40-mile-an-hour wins in Cleveland.

I think we've learned that's probably where they play the best, best game for Dylan Gabriel in those 30-mile-an-hour wins. Cleveland had not scored more than 17 points in the last 11 games. It had been, what did you say, since 1970 or something? No, that was a different stat. But 11 straight games where they had not scored 17. They score 31 today in the worst weather they've played in throughout the whole thing, probably more of an indictment on the Dolphins.

By the time people listen to this Monday morning, well, Mike McDaniel still be the coach. I believe this is the third straight Sunday we've done this. How is he still here? I don't know. He said he's focused on his job, quote, I'm focused on my team. Maybe he should be focused on his job.

Yeah, this has to be the nail in the coffin. I mean, I don't know what he could do anyway with Tua's looking like the worst quarterback in the league. He had another three turnover game. It's his third three turnover game this season, which is outrageous. So Mike McDaniel doesn't have much help, but I don't think there's much time you can keep in there any longer. Yeah, Tua was particularly awful, especially after the comments last week about leadership and all that. I think you, I expected him to play a little better, and he was really, really bad.

And the Brown's defense got to the quarterback a lot. I think they're completely in quip mode. And I think you have to get rid of Mike and Daniel. If you just want to salvage having a decent year, bigger picture, I kind of wonder if Tua is the quarterback in Miami. I mean, they're going to end up getting a high pick. I mean, you're probably drafting his replacement, right? Yeah, you have to.

I mean, Quinn Ewers came in the game, took over and looked better than Tua today. So I think the Tua, Tua area is over, and that's probably good for Tua. Go enjoy retirement. Tua. It was fun to watch you for a long time. he seemed to have lost it. Yeah, I think that's unfortunate, but you're probably right. As I seem to do every week, let me hand the floor to you.

Patriots 31, Titans 13. Your former coach Mike Brable comes back to Nashville. Did you find yourself pulling for the old guy? I wouldn't say pulling for him, but it was the outcome I expected. Titans actually jumped up early. I was surprised. Got an early Phil Golden, went up 10. I actually started talking myself into our new coach, Mike McCoy.

I've even told you in the past, my old Peloton name was Mike Vrable. Well, my old Peloton name was Mike Vrable. I thought about fired up. Bike McCoy. I was so excited there for a quarter, but then the Titans became the Titans. I mean, they lost Big Jeff, Jeffrey Simmons, the one player that can do anything. He got hurting at that point. The Patriots did whatever they wanted.

What about Drake May? I mean, there was a time where it looked like he was like looking at a particular. potential percentage record. He was 21 of 23. I mean, are we seeing him hit, we talked about this the last couple of weeks, but are we seen him kind of hit like superstar status? Yeah, I think so. I saw a graphic today comparing his stats last year and the turnaround he's had, and it's really incredible. He made some great throws today. I had a hit a long TD that really separated the game. Well, on the other side, I've got Cam Ward, first year guy, that I hope could make. that step like Drake May, but he's backpedaling and fumbling for a scoop and score,

looking like he couldn't tie his shoes. So it was just an all-systems failure after we got up 10-3 in that game and had a little bit of hope. Are you giving up on Cam Ward? I mean, are you seeing any signs of positivity or are you starting to question it? It's the same thing with Will Levitts. It's the same thing with whoever's after him. The entire operation is so bad they cannot expect anyone to be good in that position. So sometimes when you see these sloppy turnovers. Remember our guy Levis, you know, he had some, he became a meme last year trying to throw it out.

He's going down a few times. I think they get to desperation where they're just trying to make plays because the offense is so bad, so it's really hard to judge any of them. Well, and this is the third straight guy. Who was the quarterback from Liberty? What was his name? The one before Levis that Levis replaced? Oh my goodness. Yeah, went to the Packers. Why am I drawing a blank?

Yeah, he was our big draft pick. He was our future. Malik Willis. Yeah. Blake, yeah. So, I mean, you've had three straight of these guys. At some point, maybe it's not their fault. Yeah. And you look at... Luke Willis was supposed to be it. Yeah. Mike Vrable, they didn't honor him. What do you think?

The crowd honored him. The Vrable chants were very, very loud through the TV. It was mostly at the end of the game as he was leaving, but he got a lot of love from the hometown crowd. Not surprised that the organization didn't honor him with the way that ended. But Nashville let him know that he's loved. Yeah, I saw when he came out. He just kept shaking everybody's hand. And he was getting a much, I think more people in the stadium were cheering. First of all, how many people even knew who Mike McCoy was when he walked out?

I mean, do you think any of the fans even recognized who their coach was? Guy had to be a cool moment for Brable. You always like seeing the coach return to the place where he did, where he won. As a matter of fact, that happened for a defensive coordinator as well. Dennis Allen for the Bears was able to get the victory against the Saints, even though it was at home. The Bears win 2614. They kind of were rolling throughout most of the game, led 20 to nothing at one point, but then the Saints make it 2014. I start to get nervous, but the Bears defense bears down, and now Caleb Williams has played multiple good games a row.

Bears are four and two? Are you on my Bears train? I'm believing they got the young offensive talent. What was this? Four wins in a row? Four wins in a row. Should have won that week one game. Close there. Yeah, I'm a believer.

I've even poked fun at you about Caleb Williams in the past thinking he's not the answer. But even though it wasn't the best version of him today is still a big win and they're hot right now. Yeah, I really like what I see. I think Ben Johnson's made such, you can see flashes last year that Caleb could play. But I love the decision making. And I love the creativity and the way. they use him. I think they use him absolutely perfectly. And it's nice to have, it's nice to watch Chicago fans with Hope. I think the Bears fans have been sort of not down for

so long that they almost didn't believe that this would work with Caleb. And I think it has. And the Saints, like, they continue, I mean, they're one in six or whatever, but they continue to be competitive in these games. Chris Oliva had a big game today as well. I still think the Saints are going to beat somebody at some point this year, that it's going to be a big loss for that team because of the bad teams, I mean, they're much better than the Titans, they're much better than the Jets, they're much better than the Dolphins. I actually think they're the sneaky, good, bad team this year. Yeah, and Olive's been great. I don't know if they wanted to use him as a trade piece at some point or something, but he's another guy just being wasted on a great team,

or on a bad team because he's great. I saw it as, even though they've been close and knocking on doors, it is their worst start since 1999. So it's bad times down there in New Orleans to start the season. Spencer Rattler got hot there for a while, but I think he called off for us. Yeah, I don't think Spencer Rattler's all that bad either. Again, compared to some of these other bad quarterbacks that are playing, I actually don't think he is as bad as a lot of those guys. Panthers and the Jets, you know, when you see Panthers and Jets,

first of all, you know what you're in for. But I don't think you knew you were going to be in for the sound quality they had. It sounded like an old school AM radio broadcast of a church in rural West Virginia. They said they were underwater. They had some sort of technical issue. I kind of loved it. I felt like I was watching a game on local broadcast television in the 70s. How about the Panthers now above 500?

They're winning big time. And I saw poor Meow Mix. They shut down Meow Mix and the Panthers are 3 and 0. Okay. I'm glad you brought this up. I wanted to talk about Meow. Mix. First of all, if you remember a few weeks ago, we talked about the Panthers podcast Meow Mix, decided randomly after week four of the season to quit. Weird time to quit three or four weeks

into the season. I think the Panthers have turned it around in honor of Meow Mix. And I want to say to the people who run Meow Mix, we have been trying to get in touch with you. I've been trying to get in touch with, we've had the NFL trying to get in touch with you. Meow Mix is now officially in what happened to them? Are they being held hostage? Where is Meow Mix? And now they don't get to celebrate what is a Panthers turnaround.

No, they're doing what they have to do. They're taking one for the team. If they come back and then the Panthers lose, the fan base will kill them. So they just have to stay hidden. The Panthers are 3 and 0 since they've been gone. There's no way they can come out now. They have to stay quiet forever

because they're stepping away actually worked. And I'm looking, I don't know many Titans, podcast, but if there's a Titans podcast out there, I need you to unplug and go away to. You need to quit to. It'll work for us. Maybe we'll string off three wins in a row. You did get a moment today where it was Andy Dalton versus Tyrod Taylor. I think that is actually, it is 2025 and we had an Andy Dalton Tyrod Taylor game. I think that in and of itself should be celebrated. Imagine you weren't watching the game to see, you know, fields get pulled and keeping up with things, and you just happen to be scrolling through. And Tyrod Taylor's

's throwing against Andy Dalton on your. your television with bad sound quality. Well, you would have thought it might have been a game from 2006 and you just happened to turn it on. NFL films. Yeah, it's exactly right. You are looking live at an empty jet stadium for Panthers versus Jets. Justin Fields, by the way, gets benched.

Is his time done now? Maybe his time is a quarterback period. I mean, he's now had kind of three failed opportunities in a row. You do kind of wonder if maybe today. was one of the last hurrahs for Justin Fields, period. I think that was it. I mean, he's looked bad all year. I mean, a couple times he's made some plays with his feet,

but he just can't see the pass rush or blitz coming at him. Yeah. And you fail with the Bears, the Steelers and the Jets. When you're one and six and you're getting benched for Tyrod Taylor, who's been in the league forever, probably not the best side. No, no, no. The most impressive result of the day, the Colts, go to the championship. Chargers, 3824, a huge win. And they were up big the entire game. Daniel Jones, at this point,

you have to say it's real, right? Like, it's not a fluke. When they're six and one, they've got the most wins in the NFL. They would be the AFC home field advantage. And they're winning games on the road like this definitively. It's not a fluke anymore. Daniel Jones said, clearly the media didn't know because they don't know anything about football and saying they weren't going to be good. I don't know how anybody could have predicted this. You're officially impressed, right? Oh, yeah. I've actually been impressed a couple weeks, because the teams they're beating art flukes. And they're not just out there beating the jets and the dolphins. They're beating good teams. They're not turning the ball over. I mean,

they've had that stat. They went three weeks to start the season without turning the ball over. He didn't have any today. And then is running back. Oh, just another three touchdown day. So the Colts are for real. It's crazy to say they could be the best team in the NFL, but they literally have the best record. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they're the best team. They certainly, they certainly impressed me today. I had that game on a lot of the time. And even though Justin Herbert had 420 yards, right?

So that looks like an amazing game. I feel like the Colts were on him the entire game. And part of the reason he had 420 yards, they were playing from behind the entire game. So he had to throw. But the amount of pass rush that team gets, is unbelievable. Herbert got beat up.

I mean, I don't know what his final total of sacks he took was, but he got hit an unbelievable amount of times. And you show that defense with Jonathan Taylor and Daniel Jones. I mean, I keep waiting for the other shoe to fall, but I don't know, Drew. Maybe it's not going to happen. Maybe all you had to do is get rid of Anthony Richardson and you have a good team.

Yeah, I think the Colts are for real. And I think the Chargers can still get back to play better. They've lost three or four, but as you mentioned, that offensive line is so bad. I don't know what they can do to go out and find help, but they have to go out and get help on the offensive line because the moment, Alt got hurt a few weeks ago and they have a few others. His stats have been like he's has the most pressures, sacks, hits, everything. I mean, he's just getting absolutely killed and running for his life these last three or four weeks. I do want to note on a crowd shot during the game, they showed someone in the charges

crowd and they had a sign and here's all that the sign said, fun. That was it. It just said fun. It didn't say let's have fun. It didn't say I'm having fun. It just said the word fun. And I was sitting there thinking, what is the mindset of that leads somebody to bring a sign? It was hand-painted to the game that just says fun. What can you, what is it that they could have been thinking. It reminds me of many years ago, WWF had a pay-per-view in Cleveland called invasion. And back then, Drew, you know this. In wrestling, people would try to make the most creative or vulgar or like innuendo signs possible. And my friend DJ and I snuck into the fourth row of invasion. And we were very excited. And then this woman sitting behind us said,

you don't have tickets here. Those are not your tickets. And we're like, oh, they're not, but will you not kick us out? And she said, well, you're tall, only if you hold my sign up in the air. So, like, next to me was a person who said, who had a sign that was like,

rock bottom my face. And the other one was like, Stone Cold, 24-7, whoop-p- And I had to hold up her stupid sign, which was glitter and all it said was invasion. That's all it said. invasion. So everyone else had these creative signs, and I was in the line of the camera, and I'm holding

a rainbow glitter sign that just says invasion. That's what I thought of today with the person the charges just holding up a sign that said fun. They were you. Maybe they were part of a bigger operation. They got separated from the group. It was supposed to say Chargers football is fun, but they got different tickets, and they got lost from the group and still went through with it.

And somebody, someone was just holding up a sign and said, that's all it said. I went to college game day basketball at Rupp many years ago as in college, and they had dry erase signs that they passed out to the student section. They regretted that real quickly. Yeah, that was bad. That's a bad decision. They went and took them, passed them all out, and they went and picked them all right back up about 30 minutes later. If anybody knows why the sign just said fun, I would be fascinated.

Because I've racked my brain all day thinking, why would a sign? just say fun. I still don't have the answer. By the way, I thought on the camera there, I thought you just pulled out a cigarette and started smoking. I was like, I didn't even know. I didn't even know you smoked and you decided to do it tonight at midnight for the podcast. Cowboys commanders, 4222-22 definitively great performance by the Cowboys. Dak was awesome. And it is clear, George Pickens and CD Lamb together. Now that Lamb's back, that is an impossible duo to defend. That offense is pretty dang incredible.

I mean, even their running back Williams has been good. Tighten Ferguson has stepped up. Pickens and Lamb, I wonder how they could balance. You know, Pickens got a little bit of personality. He had problems in Pittsburgh. Turns out this fresh start has been great for him. They are just a nightmare duo. And it's not that they're just getting open.

I mean, they're making some toe tapping, highlight real catches throughout the game. It was just a fun one to watch as they pile. on Washington today. Some people think, act like kickers are offense, because I guess they're scoring points. Well, if that's true, and you throw in Aubrey, the kicker, the combination of DAC, lamb, pickens, and Aubrey, I don't know how many teams have a four, you know, a four-person group better than that.

I mean, the only ones you could say, I don't know, maybe Jayland Hurts, AJ Brown, Sequin, Barclay, maybe, you know, Bahomes, Kelsey, worthy, et cetera, and the kicker who is giving political speeches on the side. I mean, but I'm not sure anybody would be better than this group. And Brandon Aubrey is a weapon unlike anything we've ever seen. He kicked a 61 yards with ease. And it was like perfectly centered. It went right over the top of the post, but it would have been good from 75. And when he made it, they said he already has the record for most 60-yarders in a career. And he's only been around a few years from the moment he got up on the couch when his wife said, oh, you should go try that football thing and now look at him. I mean, he's... But I still don't know,

we've talked about this. I don't know how much I buy this now. I think all these records, the fact that the kickers now get to massage their balls before their kicks, I don't think it's, I genuinely think we have to look at it differently. And I wonder if coaches are differently on it. Like now you're in field goal range when you're at the 45-yard line, and I think it does, I think it's going to lead to kind of a revolution. I'm going to make your prediction. The NFL in the next couple years is going to do something to make it to where,

because if they don't change something, we're going to be kicking 70-yarders regularly. I'm ready for the Cowboys to try it. I'm hoping we get a scenario where it's an end of half, or maybe you're up big, but I want Brandon Aubrey to get a moment to try to break the record and kick one from. What is the record? The record is 67? In the preseason, the guy hit the 70-yarder, but it didn't count for the preseason for the record.

So the official record's in the 60s. But we have seen a 70-yarder go through this year, Cam Little with the Jevars. When I was a kid, I knew very little about records in sports, but I could have told you Tom Dempsey had the field goal record, and it was 63. It was just one of those things that everyone knew. It was like you were told, yeah, the record for most games played, is this. The record for Philgo is 63. And then I remember I think it was Jason Elam, maybe tied at one time. And then since

then, it's like a record I can't keep up with. It feels like it changes so quickly. And with Aubrey, he's just insanely accurate, too. He's going to be one of the most accurate kickers of all time. I'm wondering, when it comes time to get to the negotiation with table

with him, he's so valuable. It's a great question. I mean, when you have a guy who as soon as can cross the 50 is going to get you three points. I mean, that's, that's a kicker that deserves more than we've ever seen. We've seen that Jerry Jones is very reasonable in negotiation. So I think that, I think it should be, I think it should be no problem to be able to, uh, to re-sign Aubrey. You also got to see one of my favorite things, which is the 430 Dallas Cowboys game with the sun through the hole of the roof. I always enjoy that.

You never know where it's going to glare. It gives such, it is such a bizarre. I don't know if it's home field advantage or not, because George Pickens ended up dropping a pass because of it. What do you make of the light problem they have when they play these mid-afternoon games in Dallas? It's insane that they haven't fixed this already. Last year, C.D. Lamb dropped a routine pass that hit him in the chest, but in the replay, you can literally see that he's blinded. He says in the postgame press conference, he complained about it. So if you're all pro-wide receivers dropping touchdowns at home and complaining about it, have you not already fixed it. It's not an advantage. It's happening to your own guys.

Yeah. Jane Daniels hurt. We still don't, as of this moment, know what's wrong with him. That concerns me a little bit. The fact that they haven't heard anything suggests to me it's more than nothing with Jane Daniels. Marcus Marriota came in through an interception pick six pretty quickly. I mean, the commanders, the entire outlook for the team changes if they're out this year. There were a lot of people's pick to go to the Super Bowl. I think they'd be. been slightly disappointing. And if they lose Jaden Daniels, probably that's that. Yeah, I mean, I think Hamstreen, I don't know how long that could keep him out,

but Mario to show today that he can't hold him on. He gave him two good weeks a few weeks ago, but that pick 60 through today was embarrassing. They have no hope if Jaden Daniels isn't healthy. He cut his hair, though, by the way. After you gave him a hard time about that gray hair, he cut it a little bit shorter. I think you may have hair shamed him, which I don't think was very nice of you. San Francisco in Atlanta play Sunday night football. After a bunch of weeks of banger Sunday night games back to back to back.

You get kind of a dud. San Francisco wins 20 to 10. Michael Pennix Jr. kind of got hurt at the end. We'll see what happens with that. Mack Jones plays pretty well. But the story is McCaffrey, seven catches, 23 carries. He had 30 different attempts with the ball. He's basically the 49ers entire offense.

and it was enough to get the win today. Yeah, I mean, they needed him. Even though Kittle came back, he was very quiet. I don't even know if he had a catch tonight. But the team that's been so banged up and missing everybody, McCaffley pretty much was the offense. He went out and won him a game tonight. So that was huge by him.

Mack Jones, pretty mediocre a night. It was all McCaffrey. Yeah, I am impressed, though. I mean, you have to give San Francisco credit for how they are able to keep it going with all these injuries, including a quarterback. I mean, Mac Jones comes in. We've talked a lot on this show about their schedule.

I mean, they can be mediocre and still win a lot of games, and they're still on pace to do that. So let's go over some news items to end the show. Doug Martin passes away at the age of 36. Billy is not able to be on the mic, but that was his former, one of his most beloved players with Tampa Bay, so rest in peace to Doug Martin. We don't know any more about it,

but I know Billy would want to give that a shout out. Brandon Graham from the Philadelphia Eagles, 16 years he played. Then he retires, they say might come back. I don't understand how guys who aren't doing anything Drew can just all of a sudden come back after not playing and be ready to go on a field, especially in a position like a linebacker.

Yeah, taking off so long. but, I mean, the answer is right in front of us. We just talked about it. We got Andy Dalton versus Tyrod Taylor. We had Aaron Rogers versus Joe Flacco. I think everybody's seeing these 40-year-olds. I think Brandon Graham is probably pushing 40, 37, 38-ish. I think everybody's like, well, you know what?

I'm going to go again. If these old men are in prime time showing off, I'll give it a try. Well, that Aaron Rogers Joe Flacco game was kind of amazing, I have to say. I mean, I'm at Aaron Rogers hater, but he was great. And then Joe Flacco, I mean, Joe Flacko, I mean, Joe Flacko, really is an inspiration. Because Aaron Rogers is like an otherworldly talent. He's a Hall of Famer.

But Joe Flacco has kind of just been above average dude his entire career. And even as above average dudes in his 40s still playing, gets trade in the middle of the season, then goes and beats Pittsburgh in a game that was crucial for the Bengals. He might be able to hold down the fort until Burrough. Joe Flacco just continues to impress me. think he's ever going to retire. I agree, and that game was so fun. I was excited to watch it,

maybe expecting it be kind of just two old guys running around trying their best. But that was a heck of a shootout. They combined for seven touchdowns. And even though the Steelers have still the lead in the division, I'm not sleeping on the Bengals anymore after watching Flacco connect with Chase 16 times in that game. I mean, that offense looked good.

He can keep it together until Burroughs back. I believe in it. I think Kirk Herb Street was, saying during the game, talking about Jamar Chase. Like, are we looking at one of the best ever? And I kind of wondered, like, he seems as unstoppable. I mean, there were guys in like Randy Moss who were unstoppable in part because their physical gifts were so amazing. But like for a guy who's little, the way Jamar Chase, as good as he is, I kind of hate that he's losing bits of his career when Burrow gets hurt. But he is, he is, to me, he's the most. He's the most.

fun player to watch as a receiver in the entire league. And when you're seeing what Flacco's done with him, where he had this record setting night a couple nights ago, it kind of makes me wonder, like, Jake Browning, did you just not see him? Like, he's always open. Like, did you not want to throw it to him? You have Jamar's face. How are you not able to get it to him just a little bit?

Poor Jake Browning. I don't know why I feel bad, so bad for Jake Browning. But when you have a job for a number of years, you lose it. A 40-year-old man comes in, like, dipping. with gray beard and does better than you. It's got to make you a little bit self-conscious. All right, let's finish your Monday night football. Two games.

I don't know. I don't love the two games because I think it's going to be hard for me to stay up for the second one. But the first one's great. Bucks and Lions. This will be, I think, one of the better games of the season. I'm excited to watch the Lions defense against Baker-Mayfield. Who you got? I'm going to take the Lions, but if Baker,

goes in there and does it will not shock me. Obviously, there's two of the best teams in the league right now. I'm going to take the Lions to win it just because they look so good lately. But I'm about to become a full Bucks fan with Billy. They've been so fun this year. I'm looking forward to watching this one. Lions are five and a half point favorites. That feels a little high to me.

I mean, it feels a little high considering that I think the Buccaneers can win the game. I'm going to pick Detroit to win. But I think if I were to do the game, I think I would take the five and a half. Plus Tampa Bay plus 225 is not ridiculous. The 10 o'clock game is Texans at Seahawks. I love my guy Dan Orlovsky, who I used to do the radio with. He has tweeted more about this game than any person. Like, he's doing the game.

And he said to me, or he said in a tweet earlier today, Texas and Seahawks is the kind of thing that makes you love football. And I don't know what he means. Like, how does Texans and Seahawks make you want to love football? The question is, can I stay awake for this game? And I think the answer since it starts at 10 o'clock, Drew is probably no. Are you sure he didn't mean Texans at Seahawks will test how much you love football? Like, we're going to really find out how much you love football.

10 p.m. on Monday night, are you in for it? Should be a good game. I don't know if I'll catch it being that late. I'll give it my best. I'm like Flack Owen Rogers and you, I guess. You know, I need my sleep that late at night. But I don't know if this is one that, you know, this love for football, like he said.

Well, it's a long weekend for football. I mean, when you go, you start with Thursday night, then Louisville played Miami Friday night. You had a full day of Saturday football games. Our Kentucky Wildcats played Saturday night. I finished my post game show at 1.15 in the morning. I got up at 9 a.m. to do ESPN. Now it's 12.30 at night and we're doing it.

The chances. of me staying for Seahawks, Texas. I think that's too much to ask of any man. So I'm going to go ahead and say to you the NFL Cover Zero listeners, feel free to let me know how it goes, and I will make sure to appreciate all of your comments. Are you not excited about Sam Donald late night? He's been pretty awesome. You're acting like Sam Donald is not a part of my thoughts every late night, and I don't think we can take one evening, evening off. Well, listen, Thank you all very much for listening. We'll be back on Wednesday to join you again.

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I got a gnome. Oh, well, see, I didn't even know that was a thing. Do you recognize this? I do not. I do recognize Mitch, please. available from Simon & Schuster or with your local book retailer. Thank you all very much. This is Cover Zero.

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