KSR - NFL Cover Zero: NFL Week 5 Upsets, Statements Wins, and MVP Race

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin begin with three big upsets in NFL Week 5.  Matt is back from South Africa and there are no more undefeated teams in the NFL!  The Bills and Eagles lose and the Jets are the only team in the league without a win.  Fans got statement wins from Drake Maye and Bo Nix.  Did the Bucs and Seahawks both come out of the game looking better, even with Seattle losing?  Matt weighs in on the current MVP race.   How do Vikings fans feel about Carson Wentz or JJ McCarthy?  How did the Texans put together this win over the Ravens? Matt wonders what happens when Lamar Jackson comes back to the team. Jaxson Dart comes back to Earth and Spencer Rattler gets his first career win.  Drew is impressed with Dak Prescott's play this season. There's no doubt that the Colts are for real, but Matt feels bad for Pete Carroll.  The Panthers are a curious team, but Matt has really enjoyed their announcer, Eric Collins. Titans-Cardinals could've had the craziest play of the season.  A tough loss for the Chargers and the Chiefs are knocking on their door on Monday Night.  Matt is stunned over what the AFC North has become.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and I-Heart podcast. Week 5, NFL Cover Zero podcast. I'm Matt Jones, along with Drew Franklin. It is, we're taping this about 1135 at night. They've just finished Sunday night football. The Patriots with a huge upset on the road, take out the bills in what is a huge upset day all around.

three massive upsets. The three biggest spreads each went the other way. Drew back from South Africa, excited to be with you. You're wearing a Titans hat because your team actually won a game today, which is exciting. Good to see you after all that's after three weeks on the road. Yeah, it's nice to do this in person again. I'm surprised. We actually managed to get through it without many technical difficulties. Well, we just started.

Oh, you mean when I was gone? Yeah, but I'm saying it's much, yeah, obviously we don't have technical difficulties right now. It's one minute in. But no, it's good to have you here. And I'm amazed we were able to get through the South Africa trip as easily as we were. Yeah, it was kind of amazing we got through it. You know, started in Cape Town, the city on the southwestern corner of the globe. You know, my tour guide got very angry that I said on this show that it was the southernmost tip of Africa.

He was like, the Cape of Good Hope is the southwestern most. tip of Africa. So I want to be clear for all the geography people that it wasn't the southern, it was a southwestern, then went and saw the animals at the safari, and then went to Johannesburg, or is the locals call it Joeberg?

Oh, Joe Berg. They call it, they don't have time for the Honest. Okay. Just shorten that up a little bit. Well, you got places to be. You can't say Johannesburg. You say, you say Joeberg. Well, Wednesday, we did this show without you. We were wondering how you could possibly travel for a day without a phone.

so that had to have been excruciating on a on how long was that flight uh 16 hours without a phone i did i had i had an ipad so i watched um i'm watching the show next have you seen the show next it's on hbo max or no task task i was going to say next i knew it was one word task haven't seen that one either okay better than next um i do recommend it it's about you know, an FBI agent and criminals and all that. But it's really good. So I did that. Finish the Gilded Age.

And, you know, 16-hour flight's a long flight. Yeah, we're worried about you. That's a long time. Glad you had the iPad. We were wondering if you were just staring at the headrest in front of you. Raw-dog in it, just staring straight ahead. Wait in lines from boarding passes, all the fun stuff. You know, you feel like after 16 hours, I've been on the plane like six hours.

No one had offered me a drink of anything. So I walked up to the flight attendant and I said, can I, could I get like some water? I didn't even ask for anything. I just asked for water. And she just points and goes, there's a bottle over there somewhere.

Water found in the back. Just some dripping from the ceiling if you want it. But nevertheless here, glad to be here. And what a day in the NFL. So I mentioned the three biggest spread teams. The bills, the Eagles, and the Cardinals all lose, all lose at home, actually. You had five different games today. There was double-digit deficits that a team was down where they came back and then won the game,

which is a pretty crazy statistic. And we now are five weeks into the season, and there are no more undefeated teams. And, you know, which means that tradition that's been going on where, what is it, the 72-dollar, get together and they all take a drink. This may be the earliest in any season. They've gotten to do that, assuming there are some of them that are still alive. They're probably right now popping champagne since that game just ended. But this weekend.

The senior citizen center in Bocca Ray. This weekend last were a reminder that the NFL, you know, there are. You never know. Teams are good, but any Sunday you can go down. I mean, like, nobody, nobody's unbeatable. I mean, think about it. You have, let's just look at the Bills and the Eagles. I mean, Broncos and the Patriots both going to those two teams.

You know, those are solid playoff contending teams, but you assume, well, you're at home. If you're great, you're going to win. They both end up losing. And, you know, now, like I said, no one is undefeated. The Jets are the only team without a win. So, NFL parity rains. Yeah, if we did our power rankings every week, it'd be quite a few changes. Week in, week out.

You know, a team I had second for many weeks might not be top 50. now at this point. It's just we've had some wild results the last couple weeks. We have. So we should probably just start with the game that just ended, which was the Patriots. Drake May comes down, gets a drive, leads to a field goal. They beat the bills on the road. Throughout the second half of this game, I just kept thinking, okay, here's where the bills get it. Here's where they end up making the run. Here's where Josh Allen does something. And then the Patriots kept making place. Huge defensive stop on some passes on the bills drive led to a field goal.

And then Drake May makes a couple amazing throws, including one that gave us the Chris Collinsworth. Oh! He gave us with, oh, Drake, Drake, May. So you got that, which was exciting. Yeah, Drake May didn't throw a touchdown. but he had some great throws tonight. It felt like, you know, Drake May's been good all season. I think he's top five in quarterback rating,

but this felt like, you're still laughing at. I mean, that was just an interesting way to put it, but go ahead. This felt like a Drake May prime time on here party. Yeah, this was good all year, but this was like his big moment of I'm breaking through, and I want to be one of the stars, too. I realized they showed him on the screen, and it occurred to me that I wasn't 100% sure what he looked like. Like, no, I mean, I'm serious.

I, you know, he doesn't have a face that I think most people, do you think fans would have known his face? You don't see a lot of Drake May commercials. He's pretty average looking. And he just looks like a guy. And so when they showed him up there, I was like, oh, okay. This is definitely his breakout performance. You know, there are all these second year quarterbacks.

There would have been one ranking of them coming into the year. I wonder if it'll be a different one this time. But in both of these games where teams went on the road and got the victory, it's second year quarterbacks making the plays. Bo Nicks against Eagles and then Drake May tonight. Yeah, just felt like a statement game for him. It helps, you know, doing it against Josh Allen and Buffalo adds to it in the division. So are you a believer in, well, first of all, you believe her in Drake May specifically.

Yeah, I think he's already answered a lot of questions so far this year. His stats have been pretty awesome through five weeks. But tonight especially, if I'm a person, Patriots fan. I'm comfortable knowing that we have Drake May for a long time as our quarterback. Yeah, I mean, he's, the bills since they kind of had taken over the division have owned the Patriots, and you get it, you get them on the road. Now, I will go ahead and go on record as saying, I will bet any amount of money that anyone wants to put on that the bills go win in New England. Yeah, if anybody want to book that bet, the bills will win the repeat game in New England. But it is a welcome to relevance again to the Patriots victory.

The play is down the stretch, though, the play that made Chris Collinsworth Phil Tingley thoughts, that was an amazing throw. I mean, he's sitting there stiff arming him with one hand, falling down, throws it up and hits it perfectly. That's a, I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a Holmes Allen S. play. Yeah, it's not just that he won the game and his stats are good. He had at least three throws where you get really. excited about him as you're going with that one with a stiff arm they got colin's worth extra excited there's

another going viral now where it's kind of the camera behind him in the end zone where he throws one to digs down field and then also driving down the field and set up that that game winning field go had another great throw so he just a couple highlight real plays in addition to a good game all the way around it's interesting watching the bills like their receivers don't get open i mean at the end like josh howden gives them he scrambles and gets so much time on the drive where they tied the game there were three straight plays where he had six or seven seconds to get the ball off and his receivers just don't get open. I think sometimes with him, and this was like this with the Chiefs last year, the quarterback

is so good that we don't sit there and say, who is he throwing it to? Because the bill's cast of wide receivers, especially with Stefan Diggs on the other team, you see they just don't have guys who can get separation. I was about to add that adding to not having the separation you want, you have Diggs. but they have like 150 yards tonight. I know it's been a while since he was a bill, but that was their guy for a long time. And kind of a big breakout game for him with the Patriots too.

You might have a little Drake May, Stefan Diggs, tandem, that could have something going for a little while. Do you, does this change your view at all in the bills? You just go, hey, it's one game. No, who cares? Not at all. I mean, no one's going undefeated anymore. You got to lose somewhere.

I wouldn't have thought it would have been at home. But, you know, Patriots are a good team. It doesn't shock me that this happened. Somebody was going to get them. Survivor pools. Tough day for those. Thankfully for us, I wasn't able to be here Wednesday, so we didn't have to do it. Because we might, I guess, Billy, you and I are the only two left.

Drew's out. But you and I might have both got eliminated. We got lucky. A lot of upsets today. Yeah. But so survivor pools, I think I saw at the one is Circa, the big one, maybe 70% of all out today. So, because the top three choices all lost.

Yeah, it's only to be five weeks in the season. We've had at least two Sundays where the mega favorite, more than a touchdown favorite, lost outright. So Bill's out earlier in the day. The Eagles lose at home to the Broncos 2117. Eagles were up 173 to start the game. The offense was just cooking. I mean, they were getting long drives. They were actually getting A.J. Brown the ball, which made him not whine.

What is it? I don't understand. They won the Super Bowl, and they were 4-0, and he said, still whining. That's your, that's your guy. Why is he like that? He wants the ball. After the game, on the play where, you know, it's kind of questionable, did he let up or it hurts over to throw him. He did let up. He denies it, though. After the game. Well, I mean, what's he going to say? I didn't let up. I mean, A.J. Brown quit on that route. He just quit. Do you disagree? Do you disagree? No, no. But I'm saying after the game, he was asked and he said, no, he missed me. So that is not going anywhere.

Oh, no. Do you think they don't, maybe they don't like each other? No, they were buddy. I'm sorry. that's how he left the Titans. Jalen Hertz was FaceTiming him. There was a famous screenshot of them like celebrating. Okay, but he's a receiver. Receivers when they're not getting the ball. You don't look at your quarterback and say, you miss me. He quit.

He quit on that route. He didn't but this is a receiver. This is any receiver would do this. This is receiver behavior. You're not getting the ball. You're not having the stats you want. You're going to pout and call out your quarterback. But you agree that he quit. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's obvious.

Okay. That's what I thought. But they have, this is, This is not just this week. This is brewing with A.J. Brown. They better to figure it out because, I mean, you're a Super Bowl contender. Sure, you could win it without them, but you don't need this lingering all year. I was arguing on my ESPN show with Meyer Metcalf this where I was like, why don't people give the Eagles respect? Everybody talks about how they're not playing well, but they're 4-0.

They come off a Super Bowl win, and then this is why you see it, because they score 17 points, and then they just get mud. They just cannot move the ball. and all those plays that were working with AJ Brown don't work. It was the first time the Broncos have won in Philly since 1986 when John Elway was able to win there. That's a long, long time for a streak of losing. Now, granted, they only play there like every, what, eight years. Okay, so maybe it's not that impressive, but still it's a long time.

Yeah, and the most impressive is that they did it. You know, we've had our Bo Nix jokes here and there, but he was awesome in that. fourth quarter. Yeah, I think you only had one incompletion and they had three straight scoring drives. I mean, he flipped to switch and completely changed the game. So talk about those three drives. It's 17.3, 14 minutes to go on the fourth quarter. He leads him down the field score 1710. Then I think it's three and out for the Eagles. Get the ball back to Denver. They drive down and they score and it's 1716. And Sean Payton at that moment decides to go for two. I am

I am Mr. Be aggressive All right There's no Especially if you're Denver You're on the you know You're an underdog Go at it I couldn't believe they went for two there

I mean that was an amazing call in that moment Because if they don't get it And you lose by one You're opening yourself with a ton of criticism Yeah that shocked a lot of people It had to be one of those things Where he just saw that They were doing whatever they wanted

On the Eagles in that fourth quarter in that moment So you think they had all of the moment. That had to have been in because statistically, I know you're the road team. That's just not something you see done in the pros very often. So it must have just been a coach looking at an Eagles defense that was just on their hills and couldn't get any stops and thought, let's just see if we can do it one more time. But that was very surprising. You know, I don't want to believe in Bo Nix.

Bo Nix for me is kind of like Theo Vaughn. So like everything about Theo Vaughn makes me want. makes me what to not like him. All right, he was on road rules. A lot of people forget that. That's how I know. His stand-up comedy is awful. And to be fair, has always been awful.

He's kind of politically aligned differently than me. And he seems at times like an idiot. Bo Nick's same way. Okay. Yet, when I see Theo Vaughn and I watch clips from his podcast, they made me laugh. He genuinely makes me laugh. And then I see him ask questions. And sometimes I'm like, well, he kind of seems like a good guy, right?

And then I see, like, he bombed his Netflix special and he did like an hour long just sort of explaining how hard things have been and like really opening it up. And I was like, well, that's a good characteristic. So I end up going, I shouldn't like Theo Vaughn. But I think I do. Bo Nix is the same way. I don't like the way he plays. I don't think he makes good decisions. And everything I saw at Auburn and Oregon tells me he's not going to be successful.

And yet he keeps playing well and he keeps winning. And I think he's Theo vaunting me. I think Bo Nix is Theo vaunting me into liking him. He needs a mullet. Needs a girl mullet. Just go full Theo? Yeah. He has been a surprise.

I mean, you think about how there are stats. and how, you know, he started at Auburn as a freshman and felt like he was in college forever. And you just didn't think the NFL career would be there. But he's been passing the test this year. But he, that was a, that's a huge victory for them on the road. And between the Broncos and the Patriots, who do you think has a better chance of making noise? I lean the Patriots. Really?

Yeah. I just, even though Bownex has been good, Drake May tonight really made some throws and passed the test that I think puts him on another tier. Bo Vaughn That's what I'm calling Theo Nix Did you see Theo Vaughan when he was on Road Rules back in the day?

Yeah, I remember that one well Yeah And then he just disappeared off the planet And now he's You know, the most important guy Just like Bo Nix Your Bucks

When in Seattle 3835 That was the best game of the day Drew back and forth Back and forth Back and forth Really the question was Who was going to blink

And it was Sam Darnold Who throws an interception where did you say Billy earlier you were saying that the interception was off the heasy off the heasy of the bucks player and then intercepted the hezy

yeah you know basketball off the hezy move bounces off the head I'm not familiar oh no yeah you throw it off of their head it's called off the heasy that's a move that people do a lot I mean Drew

can you back me up here off the easy you ever heard that I mean I've probably heard off the heasy at one point when you When you said it in conversation about the interception, I had no idea what you're talking about. I didn't know if it was like part of the helmet. Yeah, I've not heard that used a lot. I watched the game.

I did not hear Kevin Harlan say anything was off the hezy, but he did throw it off the helmet. I take off the easy more as like off the hook. This is off the chain. You know, it's cool, not literally off the head is the hezy. It's not how Billy uses it. Yeah, that's not correct. But the Bucks get a field goal at the end. They win.

I actually thought this is a game where both teams come out better, to be honest. I thought they both were impressive. You know, Darnel throws the interception at the end. That's what happens. Whatever. But Baker Mayfield, another exciting road victory. They have four wins, Drew, in the last minute. They're four and one, and every game they've won has been in the last minute.

They've been so exciting this year. I'm jealous of Billy as a Bucks fan. I think I said this last week. They're just a team that this season, every single game you've wanted to watch their finish. And then today, with it being Darnold versus Mayfield, who had that being the showdown? Were they in the same draft? Yep, first and third picks. Both on the Panthers at the same time.

That's crazy. Carolina couldn't get either to work. And then today they combined for like 750 yards. I believe I saw there was like 10 incompletions between them combined. I mean, they just both put on a great show today. It was an absolute shootout between two guys. If we had said this three years ago that in 2025, we'd watch a Darnold Mayfield shootout. I don't think anyone would believe this.

So do you, if you're Tampa Bay, you say, well, they're four and one. They've won four games in the last minute. But sometimes that stuff regresses to the norm, and you end up losing those games. But I think this is an impressive one. To go on the road, play in the late slot at Seattle, get a win. Seattle, I think, has been a sneaky, good team that people don't talk about. Darnel just blinks, but Baker Mayfield, you know, he was, what, fifth or sixth than that quarterback poll.

I think if you did an MVP race right now, like Baker wouldn't be a crazy I mean, think about the MVP for just a second. It's not going to be Lamar, right? Nope. Mm-hmm. So you got what? Josh Allen,

Jonathan Taylor, Mm-hmm. Daniel Jones. Can't be Daniel Jones. But I do think it could be Jonathan Taylor. I think you would say, Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Mahomes, and then maybe next Baker Mayfield? I mean, would he be for?

Herbert. I wouldn't put Taylor in just because they won't give it to a running back. So Mayfield is certainly in the top five, maybe top three. You would put Daniel Jones over Jonathan Taylor? They're not giving it to Jonathan Taylor. Wait, what, Billy, why does he say they wouldn't give it to Jonathan Taylor? He's been amazing. Do they ever give it to a running back?

Not often. Drew's right. They don't give it to a lot of running backs, but he did score three touchdowns today. Again, I think that here's what's going to happen with Jonathan Taylor. You write this down. Jonathan Taylor is probably not going to get it. But there's going to be a lot of people who say, why don't we give this to running backs?

And there'll be a push to include Jonathan Taylor for that reason. So if Josh Allen and the bills drop a couple of, if the Colts finished 13 and 4, which I don't think they will. But let's say they do, I think he'll be a contender. But my point is, Baker Mayfield, if it was like the Heisman and you invited five people, I think he'd be on. the list right now. On the running back thing,

as someone that watched Derek Henry do magical things for years and never get considered, they're just never, it's a quarterback award. Is Dak on that list? No, DAC should be on the list. Dak would be,

if you were to, if you were to, actually in the NFL's quarterback. If you were to invite the five people to the finals after five weeks, I think you would invite, you would invite Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor,

Patrick Mahomes, DAC and Baker's got to be in the top five. I think that would be five, right? I mean, Mahomes, I guess. Depending how they finish, Matt Stafford. Let's see what happens tomorrow night, but I think that's what you would do. A couple things from the game. Did you notice the flag on the headbut of Leonard Williams were all three officials

through the flag in the air in sequence? It was like a magical ballet moment. I love that. You very rarely get art in a football game. I thought the three flags flying in the air together. other was art. I don't know what they call those, but occasionally they have like videos online where people will do the same motion at the same time, like we're living in a simulation, look at this. That felt like one of those, how all three of them at once, the flags, you could

like put a string across them in the air where they're on the exact level plane. That was maybe one of my favorite highlights of the entire Sunday. They could, you know, that it was one of the more impressive art shop, probably up until that moment, the best art moment I'd ever seen was when a museum in town had their grand opening. Actually, we can't talk about what they did. They did other stuff with flags. Yeah, they did other stuff that, yeah, probably not good for this podcast. But nevertheless, this was, I think, right up there with it.

If you committed the penalty, though, you're like, yeah, okay. I mean, clearly, I messed up. Everyone at once. Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah. They also wore throwback uniforms that were, did you like the uniforms for both the and the Seahawks. Yeah, the Bucks wore these earlier in the year, and I think you asked me what favorites I'd

like to see come back, and I said the Seahawks. I, like, hated them in the early 90s, but it's just weird. Over time, these things come back around. I'm a big throwback guy, and today I like the Creamsicle and the Old Hawks. The Creamsigles should just come back. Just make it permanent. Do you think Tampa Bay fans would just prefer if that was the logo now? Yes.

But you won a Super Bowl with the other one? We did, but those creamsicle, oh, and 16 days are long behind. us now. So now you can have. By the way, I want to go back. I forgot something on the Broncos Eagles. They showed in the locker room, Sean Payton, giving a speech when the game was over. Sean Payton is talking to his team, and it seems like they are being engulfed by wildfire smoke. Have you seen the video of that? Yeah, I mean, sometimes there'll be like some victory cigars.

There's, you know, a little smoke in there, whatever, have your fun. And this, I was watching it like, do they need to evacuate? Is there a plan in place to get them out of them? Yeah. And you can barely see them in the camera. It felt and it felt like no one was concerned. So I was wondering, I mean, do we know what was happening? Because even the announcers didn't address it. I'm going to guess they brought their own fireworks and shot them off inside.

Not as exciting as you might think. Denver has smoke machines that they play after a win. In the locker room? Yes. Guess so. That's, that didn't look like. That looked like a dangerous situation. It was dark.

Wait a minute. So hang on just a second. They get into the locker room after the game. A closed space and somebody just starts shooting smoke into the air? On the explanation on New York Post, it is a smoke machine that Denver has after wins. Did Lincoln Financial Field approve this? Seems like a fire hazard. I can't imagine.

I can't imagine the players are like, you know, they win and everybody just, and you just smoke comes. flying at you. Excuse me. That's something for fans. That's not for us. I like to... So you're saying they do that every game?

After every win. So there's probably someone on staff whose job is to carry the smoke machine to away locker rooms and make sure they have smoke ready. What a bizarre celebration. That's what would be like shooting off fireworks inside. I don't approve of this. Yeah. Well, go look at that video.

It does not look. look like a situation that you would recommend. The Vikings this morning beat the Browns, 2117. I thought this was, I mean, first of all, the Browns, you know, Dylan Gabriel, I guess it was kind of cool to see him out there

for the first time. DG. His boy, DG. Were you impressed? If I was a Browns fan, yeah. I mean, it's better than Flacco. I mean, you didn't win the game, but I at least want to see more Gabriel. He didn't, I don't think he had a touchdown, but didn't have a turnover either. He just, he was just out there. I think Carson wins, it's 1714 Browns.

Carson Wins gets the ball three and a half minutes to go. I don't think anybody in America thought 80-yard touchdown drive, but he did it methodically. Carson Wins goes down the field, scores with just, I think, 25 seconds left. I mean, timing absolutely perfect, takes the exact right amount of time off the clock. you know, if you're the Vikings, when J.J. McCarthy comes back, is it Carson Wins's team? That's what's weird. They're so excited about McCarthy. Then you have old man Wince on his six team in six years looking about as good as you can expect to McCarthy. So I don't know. I guess they have to go back because he's your young future. But do you? Wince has done nothing

to take it back from me. I mean, what, they're three and two. They should have won last week. They should be four and one. You know, I mean, who gives you a better chance? to win today. Carson wins or J.J. McCarthy? Probably still McCarthy. Okay, well then if you believe that, then you definitely go back to Jay McCarthy. But it was the Browns in London. Yeah,

but he played well in the game before they went to London. I don't disagree. So, I mean, I would at least consider it because I think when they get back, McCarthy will be healthy, so they're going to have to make a decision. Part of it is just, it's the same thing I said about Flacco, going to Gabriel, Wilson, going to

dart. It's like at some point, Okay, the old man's winning, but we all know this is, he's just a holdover for a little bit. Like, let's at least try to get some excitement for the future. But he's been good. The big story of this is Jordan Addison caught the game winning touchdown after being suspended for being out all night. He didn't play the first quarter. He went out. Oh, I didn't know.

He was out all night in London. So he stayed out all night. Well, I guess they're not going to tell us exactly how lady was. But he got called out. Yes, missed. Well, then why did he need curfew? I'm looking at a person right now, Andrew Franklin,

that I think you used to work better the longer you stayed out. Jordan Addison's my spirit animal. I mean, probably the best thing that you've written, at least when we were doing national stuff, you and I, was an article you wrote after staying out

literally all night in New York City. We walked into a hotel room and they only had one bed and you looked at me and said, I'm not sharing a bed with you. I will see you in the morning. And you just went out and stayed out literally all night,

came back and got in the car and went with us. Had a great time. And we drove from New York to Charlottesville, Virginia. Not a short drive. Duke played Virginia in basketball, and you wrote a great story with no sleep having stayed out all night. Are you the Jordan Addison of writing?

I would say Jordan Addison is the Drew Franklin of the NFL. I really, we'll never know what Jordan Addison did, but as someone who has an appreciation for what he did, was he out just club until 5 a.m.? I don't know. There's a lot of speculation. online. There's, I guess, a picture with him of a rapper real late at night. Jefferson

kind of called him out in the press conference afterwards. But, I mean, he had the game winning touchdown. What do you want from the man? Have you, have you been to London? I have not. So when you go out late at night in London, everywhere you go, people just want to eat like, halal. Like, they want to eat like kebabs.

Sounds perfect. But at like 1 a.m. But nobody eats them during regular hours. I guess the equivalent would be like an American Waffle house. Okay. Right. And so there'll just be, the later it gets in London, the more slabs of meat are in your face. Just everywhere. It's right up my alley. That's what I do in New York. That's exactly.

Found me all the street meat, piled up. So I think Jordan Addison was out with his street meat, comes in, gets the touchdown. I got a new favorite player. Now, the Vikings did almost lose the game on a kick that hit the camera cable. Now, Will Richard does a kick. If you watch it live, it goes straight and then slices to the right, oddly. In the moment, no one noticed that it hit the camera cord. The announcers didn't notice.

It didn't get reviewed. I don't even know if the kicker noticed. But then after the game, people looking on social media said, wait a minute, that ball hit the camera wire. What did you make of that? I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often. I know it's a small wire and a small ball. But this happened in the Cowboys game later too with the camera. You know, they have the sky cams sliding back and forth and all these new cables there.

I feel like they're just – they've been cutting it a little too close as it is, and now we're finally seeing that it's actually getting in the way. Well, I learned that it's a rule that if they had seen it, he gets to kick again. You think that's fair? You think that's a good rule? Absolutely. I mean, it's sitting like a golf course where we have obstacles in the way. I mean, we're playing football.

I mean, if it's not – Kickers are getting so good. We're just going to start hanging the American flag, hanged down. I hope you. Well, I mean, I have to say these kickers are getting good. I think putting some traps. Maybe have like a pendulum swinging that they got to get through. Yeah, like a little miniature golf course. You know, the cords flap around.

He's got to curve it around. Maybe a gold ring can hang. And if it goes through that, it's worth 10. You put the lines like on the hash marks or like right inside the hash marks to give you incentive to be in the center or you'll have to curve it around the hash mark. I think this is a good way because kicking's getting too easy. We've talked a lot about that. Well, if you're going to do that, one better.

The defense gets to hang a player down from the raffir's swinging and he actually gets to try to block it from a cord. You get one player like he's at a circus. He can decide, do I want to get some momentum and go right to left? So you're thinking like American gladiators where he's just sitting there. Strategy. Do you want to go right to? You can go front and back, try to get the high kick.

I like it. Okay. You know, one of my, one of the wrestlers who wrestles at OVW, Mr. Pecktacular, is on the new season of American Gladiators. He can do that. He could swing from the. Maybe Turbo could get signed to an airfo ice. I don't know. I haven't heard.

I wonder what Mr. Pecktacular's name is going to be Peck? I think I think Mr. Pecktacular just, right stick with that. It's right there. You don't think he mean. He's going to. to go by Charles. My name's Jim. That's a good point.

I don't think he needs to change. Hello. My name is Mr. Pactacular. All right, son. What name you're going to have on the show? Brian. I would like to be called Bradley. The Texans,

Texans beat the Ravens 4410. The Texans scored on every single possession. Who cares of? about the Texans. What has happened to the Ravens? Worst defense. They're now, I think, the lowest rated defense in the league. This is the Baltimore Ravens. How did that happen? When you think of the Ravens, you think defense. I think Ed Reed and Ray Lewis should be allowed to walk into the locker room and smack all of them in the face since they get it together. Speaking of, the Texans rookie did the Ray Lewis dance, taunting them in Baltimore. That was the most upset the defense was all day.

Okay, so I saw that. He did the little Ray Lewis dance. A 40. one to 10. Which, by the way, how's that dance still note? It's amazing. Like, no one talks about the icky shuffle anymore. I mean, no one does the Dion. No one does the Billy White Shoes Johnson. They don't do the dirty bird. But yet, for some reason, Ray Lewis's dance, why is it sacred? Why can't he do Ray Lewis's dance? It's iconic. My best friend Derek does it every time I'm with him. It's great when he does it. But seriously, what am I missing? Why is it disdiscuit? disrespectful to do the Ray Lewis dance at Baltimore. You're mocking the tradition of the Baltimore defense.

Again, if I did the I did the Ekey Shuffle, I don't think T. Higgins would smack me in the face. Well, when you think the Bengals, I don't think anyone's thinking about the Ikey shuffle. When you think Ray, that defense is their staple. That is like their calling card, what Baltimore Ravens are known for. I would argue being down 41 to 10 is more of a slap in the face of that defense. But they obviously took offense to him doing the dance. I think people need to do the Ray Lewis dance every play until they start playing better. I mean, I'm big on the old.

It's actually embarrassing to me. Exactly. It's embarrassing to me that you would be down 41 to 10. And that's the moment you would start to show energy is because they did the Ray Lewis. As the Titans guy, years ago, Cam Newton did his Superman thing. And the Titans defense just snapped, started a fight. And I'm like, well, maybe if we just kept him out of the end zone, he'd stop doing the Superman dance. So at some point, you got to look in the mirror on that.

By the way, Zach Orr, who's a defensive coordinator for the Ravens, Harbaal set up for the game, he will be keeping his job. I don't know that it will make any deal. They're one and four. The Ravens just out? Because Lamar's probably going to be back next week. Is it too late? Probably.

It's unbelievable we're having this conversation after the Sunday night game they had in week one. And part of its injuries, I mean, they have like a Pro Bowl roster on their injury report right now. but you're one and four, I don't know how you're going to flip the switch. Well, I mean, they're decimated by injuries, but so are the 49ers, and they're four and one, I think, having me, even with all those injuries. Yeah, and then little things like Derek Hindley fumbling three games in a row to start the year. They just seem completely out of sorts, even beyond the injuries. He did, however, get his 110th touchdown that ties him for fifth all time with Walter Payton.

Congratulations, King. I miss you. Emmett Smith, number one, 164. Well, look at you, Mr. Stought. who is the top five Emmett Smith L.T. L. Ladanyan Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, and Derek Henry. Good company. That is, that's good.

The one, I don't know how many people would have gotten Marcus Allen or Ladani and Tomlinson, but yeah, impressive. Emmett Smith, number one, I don't think I knew that. The second half of the game, by the way, stands were completely empty. I mean, crazy. That had to be, if you're a Baltimore

fan, one of the more miserable experiences you would have had. I'm going to go see Cooper Rush, and we're going to lose 44 to 10. Yeah. This team I thought was going to win the Super Bowl just three or four weeks ago. Giants go up 14 to nothing early against the New Orleans Saints.

Looks like it's Jackson Darts coming out party. You can almost see the parades that are happening. It'll be the back page of the New York Post saying, can't dart this. You know, everyone's going to be excited. They then don't score again. Jackson Darts throws two interceptions,

has a fumble. The Saints win their first game. 2614, Spencer Rattler gets his first win after starting 0 and 10. Obviously, he listens to Cover Zero. Just last week, we were talking about how he's 0 in 10. And then I believe we even reminded Spencer Rattler that hang in there, Troy Aikman, he went 0 in 10. And look, Rattler, just a week later gets a win.

He looked good today too. They actually sneakily play pretty hard. I mean, they were good last week against the bills. They didn't win, but they played well. Maybe the Saints aren't as bad as we thought. And just some big plays. They had an 87-yard touchdown and 86-yard touchdown. It was just a very entertaining comeback for a team that I didn't think was going to be much.

And then here they are with a win. Yeah. This statistic is crazy. This was the first win by a quarterback drafted by the Saints since 1998. That is an amazing statistic. the first Saints drafted quarterback to win a game for the Saints since 1998. In a year where they drafted their future quarterback, Tyler Shuck, just sitting there watching Spencer Rattler, maybe turn things around.

And you would have thought after back-to-back years of picking quarterbacks, they didn't think they would get into game five of the season with having that be the statistic. But Saints and Giants now both one and four, that roughing the passer call, worst roughing the passer call of all time I still don't understand how that was called or how that can be justified like it made no sense at all what do you think the thought was

as to how it was roughing the passer I think he accidentally threw it it was like I didn't mean to throw that now I'm committed I guess I'm going to have to acknowledge this flag on the ground yeah because he just like shoved him down and he had the ball that might be the worst roughing the passer call

that's ever been ever been called in a game that I've seen Cowboys beat the Jets, 37, 22. We talked a second ago about how Dak Prescott would be an MVP candidate. Cowboys with the number one offense right now in the NFL, who needs CD Lamb? Pickens and Dak looking like Montana and Rice. There's been so many years where people have questioned is Dak the guy.

Why did they give Dak the big contract when they did? Dach's not the answer. The Cowboys are finally having the dad. year they paid for and the defense is so bad. Now, they won today. So good for them. It's still going to be a long year. But good for Dak to finally have his MVP year, even though they're not going to have

the wins to lead it to an actually MVP year. But he's looking apart. Dax played great. He's been awesome. This is peak DAC. We'll see if he's able to keep it, especially what if I told you that this is the Cowboys Offensive Line? Here are the five guys that started on offensive line.

Sixth round pick. seventh round pick undrafted free agent undrafted free agent undrafted d2 free agent yeah they were down four starters today on their line that was their starting offensive line today and they still scored 37 points pretty impressive right yeah the jet's defense has been bad but i don't care who you're playing when you string together a line like that when you're missing four members of your starting offensive line that's a heckful way to go out and get a win and to score as many points as they did the Jets have yet to create a turnover this year. Five weeks.

You would think just randomly that someone would have dropped the ball. A fumble, a batted pass, you'd luck into one somewhere. Yeah, zero for the Jets. You've got a defensive coach. You can't love that. No. The two touchdowns for Jake Ferguson. To me, the story of the game, though, is Jordan Blue.

Jaden Blue. Excuse me, Jaden Blue. Jaden Blue came into the game today. He ended up with blisters on his feet. You ever had blisters on your feet? bad ones. Yeah. It could be tough to walk.

So I'm a wimp. The moment I even get the sign of a blister, I like shut down for weeks. Like I have a blister. Looks like one's starting to form. If you get one on your heel, that's the worst. Like the ones on your heel, you can't. Well, Jane Blue got him. Now, how do you get him?

Well, he got him because he tried to practice this week in Louis Vuitton cleats. Got to look good. Look good, play good. Did you know Louis Vuitton made cleats? No. I wonder who, I mean, first of all, football cleats, you can't sell those anywhere else in the world. So now we're down, presumably not many college guys wear them. So it's a pretty small market, I would think, for Louis Vuitton cleats.

And this can't help the advertising. No. I don't know. Sometimes, guys, I get it. You're young, flash, you got the money. You want to show off. If I'm a professional athlete, give me, like, I don't care what the shoe looks like. please protect my feet.

This is my moneymaker. Someone got hurt recently wearing vintage Jordans that they customized to turn into football shoes. And was like, of course you got hurt. That's not designed for football. Kind of feel like Blue did that again today. Maybe wear your louis from the car to the locker room.

But get serious about your football when it's time to play. Just wear comfortable shoes. Get some doctor shows. Get some hokas. Some hoax. Some hoaxe with Dr. Sholes. Take care of your puppies.

You know, I taught Billy just recently about who Mitch Hedberg was. Do you know Mitch Hedberg? The committee, he didn't know who it was. And we watched some of them. He had the great bit about Dr. Scholes. He was like, Dr. Scholes, I think he wasted all that money on an education. He said, I think you didn't have to go to med school to figure out if you just put cushions on your feet, it'll feel better.

I'd buy those from Mr. Scholl. The delivery is not exactly the same, to be fair. But I think that's all he needed was a Dr. Scholl and a hoka. If you're Jaden Blue, like, how do you tell, how do you admit this? I would be like, definitely wasn't Louis Vuittons, by the way. No one, I was running on gravel before I got here. I shouldn't have done that. Like, well, I confess this.

You would not get that out of me that have blisters because I have Louis Vuitton's. And were you wearing the Louis Vuittons again? No. I had them on for one hour, but I had blisters before that. Of course not. I was wearing prescription shoes. But you're an athlete getting paid millions, and you have to say I have blisters because of my louvittons. I think you need to look at your priorities here.

Well, he clearly did not. The Colts, Indiana Jones, wins 40 to 6 against the Raiders, an absolute shalacking. Jonathan Taylor had three touchdowns. The Colts, four and one, at this point, you have to say they're for real, right? They are. I made fun of them before the season started, and I've shut up real quickly. Heck, they almost beat the Rams last week. Should be 5-0, if not for that fumble at the go line. It's incredible the turnaround they've had with the quarterback that kind of just got thrown away and became a joke of the NFL. For me, the bigger story, though, is the Raiders, because when the game was over, Pete Carroll said,

he's 73 years old, and we like him because he's like out, you know, doing like curls between. twin games and he kind of reminds me of Jack La Lane. He's like juicing on the sidelines and stuff. Not like steroid juicing like, you know, pineapples and tomatoes. But he said he is, quote, processing losing poorly and it is hurting him. And he said it in a way that kind of got sad. Like watching an old guy standing next to his dog as it dies or something. That's kind of how I felt.

is the lesson with him and Belichick sometimes the old guys just need to just take up Parchezy. I took it as Vegas. He was not handling it well being in Vegas losing. He's like not handling as well. I'll lose a football game.

Then I go hit the slots and those aren't working for me. The next thing I know I'm on the street begging for money to go back in there and gamble more. What is Parcheese, by the way? I always hear people say, talk about playing Parchezi. It's a little game. But like what is it? is it?

I don't know. I've never played it. Is it a card game? A board game? It's a board game. Huh. I want to say there's a mouse involved. A mouse?

Maybe on like the logo or something. Okay. Well, I think Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick should potentially go into that because this has been a bad return for both guys. Both former Patriots coaches, neither one of them has worked out. Do you think he can turn around? You know Smith has nine interceptions, by the way. I don't know if I would attach my comeback to Gino Smith the way Gino's playing.

I thought he would do well. I did. I thought Gino was going to be good there. They're so bad today that Anthony Richardson came in and completed his first pass of the season. But who did he care? Who caught it? Anthony Richardson. That's what's amazing.

Our defense is so bad. We're letting hot dog water come in and complete passes to himself. Yeah. What is Bartchese? It's a board game with four circles in the corners. How do you play? Is there a mouse? Each player rolls a single dice to determine player order first, Matt.

I was wondering what order the play was going to go in. So, thank you. Billy's going to go through all the rules. So first I roll the dice to see who gets to roll the dice. Okay, then what? Counterclockwise. So we've done that. So then whoever is going first,

a player rolls the dice and must use the topmost facing die, pip values shown to move their pieces around the board in one of the falling ways. and there are several different ways we can move this piece around the board. Did you just explain how you decided what part of the dice had rolled? You said the top facing part. Isn't that what you always do with dice?

We're just going from top to bottom on these rules. Billy calls it part hezy. That was good. Thank you. All right. Well, good luck to the Raiders and their tips that have come back. Dolphins lose 2724 to the Panthers.

Dolphins were up 17-0-0 in this game. We're absolutely rolling and then it all fell apart. Rico, is it Dowdell? Yeah. Rico Dowdell had over 200 yards. He said after the game, hey, Cowboys, we play it next week. Jerry Jones couldn't even remember my name. He'll know my name next week.

That's a story to watch this week. Yeah, I watched Rico as a cowboy for many years. I liked him. I liked it as a breakout game before that. But, you know, having just lost Tyreek, last week you wondered they'd be able to throw it around a little bit for the Dolphins. Two ends up having three touchdowns and three different players, but still can't get a W out of it. Panthers have lost three games, I think, combined 195 to nothing. And yet they're two and three because they've also won two games.

Yeah, we mentioned on Wednesday they went, they won a game by 30, then lost a game by 30 the following 60-point swing. and then now I guess they win this one by a field goal, but it's been a wild season for them. I still can't get myself to watch one of their games. But if I was going to watch it, it would be because of their announcer. You know, the announcer to this game, Eric Collins, first of all, where did he come from?

He's the famous NBA announcer. He's the Hornets. Oh, he's the Hornets guy. Mario always used to talk about him. They called him over to try his hand at football because he's so popular. He was so good. He's kind of like Gus Johnson. I mean, when something,

happens, he loses it. How does he do that for the Hornets, though? Because the Hornets never do anything exciting. But it's just that screaming that really get you into it. So they brought him for this game. If I'm not mistaken, it's his first time ever doing NFL. And they had him to his hometown Panthers. Yes.

All right. So there's like a compilation of a couple of his clips here. Play me. I haven't heard this. Play me what he sounds like. So is he like that all the time? Like, he just gets that excited all the time. He's very popular in the NBA. Very popular. For that reason. I mean, just listen to that. You can't help but smile a little bit.

You can't. But is there a point where, I mean, this was Panthers Dolphins. Right. I mean, if you're giving me that for Panthers' Week 5, what am I going to get in the Super Bowl? I mean, I feel like you got to, you got to just show them enough for Panthers don't give them everything. No, that's why he does Hornets and Panthers. They're like, we cannot give you a meaningful game. You'll kill yourself.

Would he just spontaneously combust? His doctor will not let him do a call a playoff game. So they're like, you get the Panthers, the Hornets, any bad team will give you. We cannot give you NBA finals. Well, you know, the NFL's been big on Matt. We should try to get some guess, right? We did have the Brown Spider. Brown Spider and his first lady.

How about Eric Collins? You think you could get Eric Collins for Wednesday, Billy? Yeah, we can reach out, see if he's got time. No, we can. Yeah, you're talking to the guy that's gotten a lot of stuff done on this podcast so far. He wants his Tate Rattlett's jersey and his bottle of wine. I mean, what else he owe me from the last first five weeks? Well, okay, you got the Brown Spider.

That was Tate Rattler's jersey. What else have you gotten there? The Jackson Dard anytime touchdown. That was for something, wasn't it? No, it was like a stat that you didn't think was right. Oh, it was right. And I back checked it. So you want a bottle of wine from Stellen Bosch, South Africa.

Which if you haven't gotten by now... It's going to be hard for me to get. Because I'm not there right now. But I'll work on it. We'll settle for the Tate Ratlett jersey. Tate Ratlid jersey. Do you think you can get Eric Collins? I think I can.

All right. Wednesday, for the next episode, we'll see if we have Eric Collins. I'm going to ask him, son, do you need to calm down just a little bit? I hope he just talks like that. You're like, how you doing, Eric? Got your beer! Thank you, Billy! All right. I did like for the Dolphins, even though they lost, which is a bad loss for them.

Darren Waller, I thought he retired seven years ago. And then he not only played after, I think he was retired up until two weeks ago, he only played, he like dominated the first half. Yeah, he came back. He had a big game on Monday night football last week and then scored another touchdown today. he stepped away for two or three years, became a rapper. I didn't know he became a rapper, did he really? Dee Wall. I mean, it was over, it was over for Dee Wall.

And this has been a quiet of resurgence for him in Miami, though. Big comeback. Good for you, Darren. Good back to back weeks. Although you did lose to the Panthers. Formerly married to WMBA star Kelsey Plum. Oh, formerly married. Yeah, they had a big divorce.

Oh. Got him all that, got him, I think that was last year. Got him back focused, get back to football. You're saying he needed a divorce. Yeah, I had to get away from the wrapping. Wow. Look at you not believing in the bonds of marriage.

You're rooting for divorces? It seemed to work out for him. That's true. Kelsey Plum's been good too, right? You know, love isn't always the answer. It's not. Sometimes even the best of relationships come to an end. All right, I'll just, I'm going to step back here.

Your Tennessee Titans. First of all, another guy drops. a ball before he runs in the end zone. We talked about this last week. Why are people still doing this? This is not even a game if he holds on the football. That would have put Arizona up 28 to 6 in the fourth quarter. Why?

72-yard run. They would have been up by 20- Just one more step. I mean, that one, there people- By the way, he crossed the line. On this, and I'm not just saying it's my own team, if it's even a question, if you're an idiot and can't hold on to the ball, you deserve to get it taken away.

I agree with it. A 72-yard run would have made it 28 to 6, and then that happens. Even then, I'm thinking, all right, well, you know, they said and pile up, pile it on. We get the ball back. Well, let's talk about the dumbest play in the history of football. I mean, the Titans throw an interception. Well, I was going to lead to other stuff before that. That's on down the road.

Well, the Titans miraculously decided to score a touchdown out of nowhere. We haven't had one in weeks after the fumble. having had a touch. Cam Ward just has the best drive we've seen from him all season. He wasn't ass. Even then, like, well, we're still down big. Arizona's getting the ball back. Then we get a three and out.

Why don't even think we've had one of those all season? And then gets to what you're talking about. Cam Ward drives them again. All right, well, let's talk about this play. Let's just break it down. Cam Ward drops back. They're driving down, I think, nine. So they have a chance to cut it to two.

He throws an interception. bad interception, like not even close to the receiver. Game over if old boy just falls down. Just fall down. All you have to do is fall down. Instead he tries to run it back. He fumbles it and the ball falls in the end zone. The Titans fall on it.

It's amazing because I think it was third down. So even if he hadn't intercepted it, if he just knocked it down, it would have been fine. but he did the only thing you can't do, which is intercept, fumble, in the end zone touchdown. You skip two big important steps. After he fumbled it, one of them kicked it from the five to the two. At this point, it's still not the end zone. So a cardinal has now intercepted it and fumbled it. Another cardinal has kicked it.

Then a third cardinal comes in and kicks it even farther in the end zone. So we had two kicks to get it from the five to the end zone where Lockett dives on it for an improbable touchdown. Would you agree that NFL players are something? of the most, the best athletes in the world. Would you agree with that? Yes. Why is it when a ball hits the ground that they become the clumsiest people on the planet? Like, if you were to throw a ball on the ground right there, I am almost 100% sure I could fall on it.

Listen, I can't throw a touchdown pass. I can't make a tackle in the open field. I can't break a kickoff run. If I saw a ball on the ground, Billy, I could fall on it and grab it. Not people in the NFL. When the ball hits the ground in the NFL, everyone turns into the clumsiest person in the world. They jump on it. It squeezes out from them.

They trip over each other. They kick it. Why do people become so discombobulated when there's a fumble? They're thrown off. They're not used to them. It's usually someone that doesn't have the ball very often. like Kentucky football. Just last week of South Carolina,

we have an offensive line. You fall on it. You punt. You live to see another day. But it's like he poured olive oil all over it. And then just like belly flopped on it to see how far he could shoot it out from his belly. And again, if I was going to fall, I would take my arms and I'd make it to work. I would build a dome with my body.

They fall belly first on the ball. They pull their arms back. And they think they'd give it a belly flop. and then just watch the ball scoot out. Oops. You know. Here they were kick, kick. I left out a moment before the interception as I was running through that.

When the Titans drove the field, they were down nine. And I'm thinking, oh, what are we going to do here? What are we going to do here? We're going to go for two? We're going to kick the extra point. How's Callahan going to play this? Because Callahan has done the wrong thing every single time there's been a decision. He sends out the kicker for the extra point.

I'm like, that's fine. whatever, kicker just absolutely shanks the extra point. I mean, at a point where we had to make a decision, it's just so tightens. This ball didn't even stand a chance. I don't know that it even got out of the back of the end zone on his extra point. And he made it to where it was still a two-possession game. So literally, the Cardinals, there were so many things. If you played that fourth quarter a hundred times, I'm not kidding, 99 times the Cardinals would

win by at least 15 points. Are you glad they won? No, I actually told Abby, I was like, we can't even get the last pick. We even suck at losing. Like at least let's get the last, or the first pick, excuse me, let's at least, you know, tank, even though it's week five. And then we managed to, I guess the Cardinals did more than the Titans here. But it was a blooper reel in the fourth quarter, one after another. Speaking of the fumbles, you know, I've told this story on a couple other platforms, but not here.

When I was at ESPN back before COVID, we would watch the games in this game room. And Chris Berman, I think I've told you, he will, when he watches games, so I would be in a room. with Chris Berman, he narrates the games in real life like he does on the highlights. So he does the Raiders, and he like does all that stuff. And once I started watching games with him, I just kept thinking, man, I hope there's a fumble. Like I want there to be a fumble where no one can get the ball. And it was like week four, finally, there was a play like this one. And here he is sitting there in front of 70.

people at ESPN and he goes what? And I went yes. I wanted that so bad. I wanted it so much. And he would have done that today. He would have gone, what? So, just so people

know, sometimes you wonder, are people in real life like they are on TV? When it comes to Chris Berman and football, he is true. Plenty of bluepers for him to whoop today. Commanders beat the Chargers. On paper, this should have been a great game. teams that are kind of borderline Super Bowl contenders. Instead, it was awful. Chargers got up

10-0-0 and then Justin Herbert played one of his worst games in two or three years. Commander scored 27 straight points. The Chargers lead the NFL in penalties so far this year. 39 penalties in four games. Really bad performance from the Chargers after that early 10-0 lead. Do you blame the fact that Madison Beer came to her first game today for Justin Herbert? I saw Justin got a big kiss for Madison. We can't be kissing. This is a family league, Matt. Can't just be out there kissing on the sideline.

Are you allowed to kiss on your girl on the field before the game? Is this normal? I don't know the answer to this. Do you play? Homes and Brittany kiss? I've seen women and men kissing after games. I'm good with that. I'm not anti-kiss.

Let me be clear. You have love. But can you tongue lock before a game on the field? the wives come out on the field before the game too I mean it's a whole thing what do you mean they come out on the field before they well like they can be on the sideline the family time the babies come out

maybe when I have the kid on the turf come on dad hold the baby in your pads get a picture but is that good it's pretty common yeah it's okay but family time so if they kiss in that moment I mean they just were together that morning I agree I'm not again I'm not anti-family

but like it's time to go to work you don't see like when I was a lawyer it wasn't 30 minutes before a death penalty trial and we had my we had a kid crawling on the judge's chambers it's family time got to give a kiss Madison beer yeah I mean what's what other job do you do that right before a surgery your wife comes in we're going to get a photo honey open heart surgery let's lip lock bring the kids in we're getting a family photo everybody Look at this artery that's clogged Johnny. Dad's about to fix this. Everyone's smile. Why are they on the field before the game? Giving smooches.

Got to give a smooch. So you can give up 27. Who is Madison beer? We said this the other day and I don't remember. Social media star singer. What does she do? She sings. Okay, she sings.

She's part of this new generation where they're just famous. Yeah. It's like, what do they do? I don't know. They're just famous. Yeah. They get ready in the morning and put it on TikTok. That's what they do to be famous.

Two touchdowns for the commanders for, what is it, Giacori. Crosky Merritt. Crosky Merritt. Now, he goes by Bill. We talked about this a few weeks ago. He's Jacori Croski Merritt. He says, just call me Bill. But now we've learned why.

Billy, why is it he wants to go by Bill? Well, the old Little Bill show. What show is that? Little Bill. On Nickelodeon. You're repeating the name. Bill Bill. So it was on Nickelode.

It was an cartoon? Yeah, it was animated cartoon. and I believe he looked like a little Bill and that is what they started calling him when he was a kid. I like though that we're just calling him Bill. It's a good name. Like the announcers are just like,

touchdown, Bill. That's how it should be. Nothing against his name, but it's long, got hyphens, Jacori, Kroski, Merritt. No, Bill. Just go Bill. Well, I kind of like it

because I'll never remember Giacori Kroski Merritt, but I can remember Bill. And so you'll remember Bill. He had a big game. He'll make you remember his name. He's been good all year.

Two touchdowns. Jay Daniels was back. So a big win and very disappointing performance for the Chargers who now if the Chiefs win tomorrow, they've basically given up there, a two-game advantage over the Chiefs and they will have given it up within week five if the Chiefs win against the Jaguars. And we'll finish with a poor performance for Cincinnati Bengals who lose. at home 37 to 24. I think the stat from this game that was the most telling is that Jamar Chase at one point

had four receptions and three tackles. He was the best receiver in the league. He got him out there and making tackles. At one point four receptions and three tackles. Tough day for your boy. If I die before I wake, feed Jake Browning. Yeah, Jake Browning, not looking good for Cincinnati. I think they've got like 35 points in three weeks with him since Burroughs been out.

Did you see his interview after the game? No. Bros. or Brownings? Brownings. He was very sad. I kind of felt sorry for him. He was like, doing the best I can.

I mean, you got chasing. He wasn't crying, but he was like, I'm trying. Lay off me. No, he wasn't being defensive. It was like, it was almost like sadness. He was just like, look, I just might not be very good. I worked hard and I just don't think I'm good at football

so what do you want for me I kind of felt bad for Jake Browning yeah he had a big opportunity here and he's absolutely fumbled that with that offense would you go get somebody else like would you try to get James Winston or something I mean the Bengals started two and two or started two and oh so they're two and three

and the rest of the division isn't good. So, like, it's not over yet. I mean, wouldn't it be worth going and trying to salvage it? Absolutely. And we'll see some separation at places. Like, you mentioned Wince McCarthy. What about James Winston? Why wouldn't you go try to get James Winston?

He's the third string. He's not playing for a bad Giants team. They're not going to put him in because they want Jackson Dart to play. Why not just... He'd be the easiest being third somewhere where he's definitely not getting used. But if you're Bingles fan, I mean, you're not going to... to have a successful year no matter what, but I think your roster is at least good enough. You got to try to go out and find someone that could fill that spot.

Gibbs and Montgomery, you were saying to me the most. They tied Emmett and Darrell Johnson for the most touchdowns by a duo. For one team? Yep. Boy, that's amazing. You wouldn't think that, is that in a career? I guess so. Really?

There's never been two teammate running backs that have scored. more touchdowns than Gibbs and Montgomery. Big game for Montgomery. They were playing up. I guess he's from Cincinnati. It means a lot to him. He's got some family stuff going on there. It was his first time ever playing a game in Cincinnati.

That is a shocking statistic to me. I'll tell you what else is shocking. I mean, you went into the year. You probably said the AFC North is going to be the best division in football, right? Raven Super Bowl contenders. Bingles, great. Steelers will be competitive and maybe the Browns will be competitive. instead they are one and six in the last two weeks.

You have the Steelers are three and one. Then you got one and four for the Ravens, one and four for Cleveland and two and three for Cincinnati. What a bust of the division. Absolutely shocking. I think I would have had it completely flip. I thought the Steelers weren't even going to be good. Obviously, we all thought the Ravens would be good.

But to sit here and talk about Baltimore being one and four, leave aside Lamar not playing today and having the hamstring. Just saying Ravens 1 and 4 out loud, what we thought they'd be is nuts at this point. Yeah. Well, a good day of football. Thank you folks very much for listening. We should have Collins, Eric Collins, next week. Let me go ahead and say we book him.

Dowdle! Downell! Also, shout out to the host of the Carolina Panthers podcast Meow Mix. Oh, man. Poor Meow Mix. Oh, poor Meow Mix. Meow Mix, who has ended their reign. Did you see they've doubled their social media followers since announcing they were ending?

I think they got to come back. And then they win today. And then they win. Don't you have to have a special edition of Meow Mix? I think they have to drop like their comeback episode now. They got jobs. What's their job? I don't know.

That's what their excuse was. They got jobs. Couldn't possibly talk about the Panthers with the job. I have a job. So, but listen, it was a great run for Meow Mix. And I hope whatever your next gig is will be as good as the Meow Mix. We'll per one out for you. That's right.

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