KSR - NFL Cover Zero: Thanksgiving Football Traditions

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin discuss their traditions for Thanksgiving and football.  The Cowboys and Lions make this year's games fantastic.  The Panthers streak of winning the toss and winning the game comes to an end against the 49ers.   Joe Burrow returns for the Bengals, but Matt isn't sure if it's the right decision.  How have the new kickoff rules helped Titans WR Chimere Dike lead the league in all purpose yards?   Matt and Drew look at the early mock drafts and where the Titans will be picking.  Could WR George PIckens be one of the best trades ever after his performance in Dallas?  What should you expect in the 2nd start from Shedeur Sanders?  The Bucs got good news on Baker Mayfield's injury.  JJ McCarthy could be sidelined for the Vikings. The Giants continue to make changes after another 4th quarter loss.  Matt recaps the festivities around the John Madden Thanksgiving before revealing their picks for the three games of the day.  What is the timeline for your Thanksgiving?  Plus, we wrap up with the Survivor and TD Parlay picks.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and I-Heart podcast. Welcome everyone in the NFL Cover Zero podcast going into week 13. I'm Matt Jones. It's Thanksgiving week. Drew Franklin's with me and Billy R. Sports. It is the week where football of all sorts, pro-college, college basketball is just

sports on from the moment you get up until the moment you go to bed from now until Sunday. And, of course, we'll focus on the NFL side of it is Thanksgiving week. Drew, I enjoy this week. I feel like in some ways this is, you know, this is the most festive time. And from a football standpoint, I think this is probably the time you could actually watch the most games. You can get three Thursday. There's the game on Friday, which is actually really, really good this year. And then all the games on Sunday and Monday.

Yeah, and I grew up in a Cowboys family, so it's always been football over Turkey since I've been little. But now they've been to add more games over time. They've got that Black Friday game that includes your team. I love NFL adding new days each season, getting more around Christmas. It's not strictly Sundays and then the Thanksgiving Day anymore. Like just throw it anywhere. Put it on all the holidays. Yeah, do you like, I mean, with the Cowboys, I know they're kind of your secondary team, they're your wife's team.

Do you like that they always play on Thanksgiving that that's like a part of, of your sort of family tradition. You have to be there, and the Cowboys always at the late game. Yeah, I picked up the Titans later in life. But when I was young, I mean, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, it was Cowboys. We like wear Cowboys sweatshirts to Thanksgiving dinner every year. So I have fond memories going back to when I was a little kid watching the Cowboys every Thanksgiving. Like I said, the food was always the second part of the day.

It was almost a Cowboys party as much as it was the feast. I always, I mean, the Cowboys is the main event Thanksgiving team makes. sense, but I've never really understood the Lions part of it. Like the Lions, I mean, now they're good, but they were awful for years. And I always found that interesting that they were one of them. I'm sure it goes back to some sort of tradition. Yeah, the owner that moved him from Ohio to Detroit when they became the Lions look for ways to market them and got NBC to pick them up on Thanksgiving. So, there you go. There's your answer. Innovative owner, whatever his name was. And I guess they probably just said, I bet he was a Ford. I don't know, but I'm just going to guess anything in Detroit is

ultimately a Ford. So I'm going to say, that's what it is. Well, you know, you look at the games this year. This is like one of the better slates that I think we've ever had on Thanksgiving. I mean, for years, Detroit wasn't good. You get Packers' Lines, Chiefs, Cowboys, Bingles with Joe Burrow returning against the Ravens, and then Friday Bears Eagles. I mean, that's a heck of a run of games.

It actually makes Sunday slate kind of not great because of how good those are. Yeah. And like you said, for many years of the Lions, I guess you had the Barry Sanders run where he'd be fun to watch. But that would be the one time of the year. You'd see that would be the only time of the year I'd ever see Barry Sanders. It's literally the only time. He only existed in my mind on Thanksgiving. And then when he retired early, it wasn't a lot of reason to get up for the Lions.

No, Calvin Johnson might make one crazy catch a year. But really, like people, you know, younger people now, you have Red Zone and you have, you have Lee, you know, what are they called? Sunday ticket. You have the highlights. If you lived in my day, the Lions weren't good enough to ever be on Monday night football. And they weren't good enough to be in a feature game. So you really didn't know they existed except for on Thursdays.

And I always found it impressive. Like Thanksgiving, years of a family, the Lions will sell that place out whether they're good or bad. Like if you're in the Detroit community, that is just your holiday going to that game. My mom always says the same thing. And she will do it again today, or Thursday.

She will be at my house. We will get up. I will put that game on. And she will go, why do these people go to this? Do they not want to spend time with their families? She says that every year. She says it during the Lions game every year. And she says it on Christmas Day with the Knicks every single year.

And I always say, Mom, this is their family tradition. And mom was like, I just, why would you go to, you can go to a game any other day of the year? Why would you go on Thanksgiving? Maybe they all come back to Detroit. They tailgate. Like they look forward to that, just like your mom probably looks forward to setting the table and doing the dinner at home. My mom's not going. I can go ahead and tell you.

But I am going and I'm looking forward to it and I'm looking forward to these games. We talked about all the games on Sunday. I guess the only thing that has happened since our last show was the Panthers and the 49ers. That was one of the worst games I've ever seen. Bertie throws three interceptions in the first half and yet they're still leaving. leading, which I think says everything you needed to know about the game. You had that. Bryce Young is just getting crushed for, he could have walked in and gotten a touchdown,

but instead throws an interception in the traffic. There's that screenshot clip where it's like, dude, just run it in. You're there. But he threw the bad pick and the goal on just an ugly game Monday night. You know, when you saw 49 as Panthers at the beginning of the year, you probably thought that's what it would be. And then over the course of the season you talked yourself into, okay, maybe that's a good game. No, it was not.

The fireworks were after the game, honestly, not even the game with the getting the old... What do you think of that? You can't do that. But it was a pretty good uppercut. We've been debating spitting. The shot to the crotch is worse than spitting. I'm putting that above spitting. Oh, you think it's more disrespectful to hit someone in the crotch than to spit.

That was intentional. He sized him up. He found his target and went full uppercut. I completely get why he reacted that way. So, you reacted like spitting was the worst thing that could ever happen now. we have something worse. Takeaways, guys, let's reel it in. Let's, let's, we've had multiple spitting incidents.

Now this. Now, cross. Come on, guys. It's the holiday season. It's coming to WWE. I was excited because I discovered last night for my first time, the, the Carolina Mike guy, the, you know, the, if you have a hundred and fifty. Do we have that?

Can you play it? Yeah, I can play it. Okay. So, people don't know, this is a guy who is in, Carolina. I think he's actually in Minnesota, but has a Carolina man cave in Minnesota. So he's a Carolina Panthers fan stuck in Minnesota. Yes. Which is, he has to be one of one.

Like he does, there's not a lot of watch parties for him, wouldn't you think? I think that's why every time we see him, he's in his basement. No one else is in the basement. No one else there. He's also, you said he's an accountant. Yeah, he's got some regular day job, but just die hard super fan at night for the Panthers of all teams. That's so great. And he is, if you haven't seen the video, look up Carolina Mike.

reason I found it is they played this on the Manning cast. Luke Combs of all people said, I love this guy. And if you watch the Manning cast video of it, Luke is dancing like he's a 15-year-old girl of the Taylor Swift

concert when he's singing. And I'm kind of like that too. We have to play it because I love it. So this is Carolina Bike on the Panthers. What's up, y'all? I got a question. You're ready to support these kill out of Panthers as they keep pounding against these Green Bay Packers.

Yeah. Also, if I had $150,000, I want you know exactly what I would do, y'all. Here we got. What would you do? Spend $150,000 on a football team. Wait a minute, that's not enough to buy a team. Spend $150,000 on a tricked-out Porsche.

Wait, what, Minnesota, it snows too much. Me a tennis court outside my house. But the HOA is going to make me tear it down. Mike, I don't need the season ticks. Just might get a tiny home. I get some Reese's peanut buttercups. Heck, no, I ain't sharing. I'm going to eat them all up.

Like, get me a plane and fly to Spain, except I don't even know how to fly a plane. I'm going to hit me a big old butt. One bigger number, all of us, the double dutch. Getting chased by turkeys after cruise around, windows down, now up, you can hear the sound. I could analyze these lyrics all day. 150,000. That's everything I like about this song is that he's a contrarian. right?

Everything he says, he then gives the argument against it. So if I had $150,000, I'd buy a football team. No, wait a minute. That's not enough to buy a team. He recognizes this is what I want to do with it, not able to. Then he says, you know what? All right, fine. I'll buy a tricked-out porch, a Porsche.

But here's a problem. I live in Minnesota. Snow's all the time. Can't do that. I don't buy a tennis court That'd be great Oh wait my HOA will not let me put up a tennis court First, not many songs that have HOA

No, no, no, no I like he's, it's almost like he's budgeting and brainstorming in his brain We're here in his thought process For what he's going to do here We are and he's like, okay, fine I'll fly a plane to Spain Oh, wait a minute

I can't even fly up why Can't do that I can't do that So I do like the guys like He's just going through all the possibilities but he knows in the end he's not going to be able to do any of these things with 150,000. You mentioned Luke Combs, Big Panthers fan loves him, but I think Panthers fans, they've just completely embraced him.

He performed at the game. There were players on the sideline singing. It wasn't just other fans. Some of the players were neither head seeing it. Yeah. So where Miao Mick stepped away, he has filled that void for the Panthers things. Who would have thought the best celebrity fans of 2025 would be for the Carolina? Panthers.

I mean, that's an organization that I would have never thought of any of their fans. And now you've had Meow Mix and you've now had Carolina Mike. I'm in. Now, I went to his account, and it's Carolina Mike on TikTok. He's having a little bit of the same problems that MC Hammer had, which he's just, or excuse me, whoop, there it is, you know, tag team back again. they couldn't come up with other songs, so they just did other whoops. So they did like,

whoop, there's in Adams for the Adams family. He's doing a little of that because he was like, if I had $150,000 I'd go to Bojangles. It's like, I feel like you'd be gold at Bojangles. So he has a lot of different versions of it. But I'm still a man for the original Panthers. I kind of like that though.

It's like, why create a new hit? Every time I put a new one of these up, people love it. Now, part of me feels bad. Like, for our listeners that just heard this, sorry, that's going to be in your head for the next two days. It doesn't leave. That will be stuck in your head all the way through Thanksgiving. 150,000.

You're going to be in your head. It's already in my head. Well, I love it. And I wouldn't have known it if it weren't for that game last night. So as terrible as that game was, it gave us one really positive thing. It also broke the coin toss streak that Billy's been pushing where Carolina was 6 and 0. When they win the coin toss, they won last night. He texted us, Carolina won the toss.

But they didn't finish the game. I didn't get that text. Oh, it was a tweet. Add Billy R. Sports, by the way. They're now six and one when they win the point. I do like you're wearing your generic NFL hat. In front of the big sign behind me. For people who don't know, Billy went to the Bills game and bought just an NFL hat that just says NFL on it.

It's the Rob Lowe hat. Well, that's my team. I'm not a Bill's fan. Your team is the league. I'm the league now. So, like, who does the NFL compete against? Like the USFL? Is that what you, UFO?

Well, that's more of like a farm system. Like, we get a lot of talent from the USFL. Sting. He's back to the Wii here. I don't know if you've earned a Wii from the NFL. Well, they liked my Dick Van Dyke's shoes, so I figured that was my signal to go all in. Yeah, well, it's a nice hat. It's just a little, you know, it's a little corporate.

It fits him, though. He wants to be that reporter. He wants to be objective. He doesn't want to tie himself to a certain team. He's just all about the league. You're like when I was growing up, and a guy was running for office in Middlesbrough. and he put an ad out for the season preview

for our region and it said, I support all 13th region teams. I support them all. Which I don't think you, I just don't think that's possible. You're kind of like that. You support all NFL team.

I want everybody to have fun, be safe, you know, rooting against injuries. Never want to see that. We are against injuries on this podcast. All of this were against injuries. Yes, Daniel Jeremiah's pro-injury podcast.

We are anti-enjury. Get those injuries out here. All right. So as always, we like to do the headlines. And Billy, I will let you go. What's up first? Yeah, you alluded to my first one. Joe Burrow is expected to play on Thanksgiving night versus the Ravens.

He suffered a turf toe injury. Week two, Cincinnati, who was three and eight on the season, went one and eight without Burrow during that time. Joe Burrow talked today and said that he could not sit if he was healthy. I would listen it's going to be great to seem it's going to make that game Sunday night better or excuse me Thursday night better but I don't know why they're why I don't know why he's coming back I mean they're done I think this is I think this a bad decision I mean it's going to be more entertaining but it's a bad decision don't you think yeah I guess a guy just wants to go play football like he says but you know again we're anti-injury but if something were to

happen that would be a huge misstep and how they've handled bringing them back I mean they have nothing to play for they're like bottom three everything statistics on offense. And they're going to have guys out. He's going to be playing. I mean, Jamar Chase will be there, but he's going to have his next two receivers are out. Maybe he just wants to try to take the Ravens out of the hunt.

When you got a good rival, sometimes you just want to go punish them. So maybe he thinks he can give them a loss just to kind of get Lamar in the group. I think this is a bad decision. I'll be honest. Now, I mean, ultimately, it's his decision, but

I just, I wouldn't do it. Now, I'm excited to watch him play. I don't think Joe Flacco's been bad. I mean, that's not their problem. Burrow will be better than Flacco, but it's not like the quarterback has been the difference. It's been everything else, although their defense did play better against New England. Step up. Did you like the way Burrow announced it with that picture of him where he looks like he's in high school with the LeBron jersey that's way too small?

You just said he's back. I help me understand that, though, because Cleveland, even though the calves are not a rival of the Cincinnati, the city of Cleveland is. is that? I think it's an old picture where maybe where LeBron came back and like a young borough was excited and he sent that out and it just says he's back.

I think it's like a really old photo of him maybe even in high school or something in reference to LeBron because he has the jersey on. So that's his way of saying he's back. I'm back. Yeah. It's just I always think it's funny.

I think if you're going to do that I mean, I guess. You got to remember your audience. I know what you're saying. Browns and the Bengals, they're like big rivals and you're picking a Cleveland team. Although I don't know.

Do people in Cincinnati cheer for the calves because they don't have their own team. That's what I was going to say. Not another NBA team. So that seems fair game. But do you know, do people in Cincinnati cheer for the calves? I don't know. It doesn't seem like it in what we know of being around there and friends from there.

I never, I mean, I do know it makes me mad when I try to watch League Pass. I can't watch Cavs games because they're like, this is your local team. And I'm like, based on what? There's no scenario where Cleveland is my local team. Cleveland, why would I go to? Cleveland. So I really get annoyed. They give me three local teams. The Pacers, the Grizzlies, and

I don't watch any of them. It doesn't hurt you until the team you're actually wanting to watch is playing one of them. And when it comes to the Grizzlies, there's no physical way for me to watch it. No, I mean, even if you buy the local fan pool, they'll give you Pacers and Cavas,

but they will not give you Grizzlies. So if a man wanted to watch a Grizzlies game, impossible. It is odd when you get these packages and you think it includes everything but they're like no this city seven hours away from you does not count yeah we'll make some of these picks as we go but we'll just do this one who do you like in baltimore do you think uh you think burrow can can get a victory i think baltimore will win it but i'm glad he's playing uh selfishly that if he weren't playing i wouldn't be nearly excited obviously so that gives that game some juice

but i think baltimore will win it Baltimore's a seven point favorite i mean i would take the points i would take the bingles and the points i agree with you i i think that's a lot especially when you that the Bingle or excuse me, the Ravens offense still is kind of sputtering, did against the Jets as well. So I would take the seven, even though I think Baltimore ends up winning. What's next? The Titans may be one in ten, but they do have a bright spot. Titans rookie wide receiver Chimier D.K. Leads NFL in all-purpose yards with 1,760.

Second place is nearly 300 yards behind him with Jonathan Taylor at over 1,400. He's on pace to break the all-time record set by Darren Sproles back in 2011 with 2,696. It's a little misleading. I mean, the problem for all-purpose yards from now on is that it's going to be disjointed because of the new kickoff rule. Because you essentially have to run it back. So whereas even back in the 80s, half the kicks were touchbacks.

Now they're all runbacks. And you're going to get a good 25 to 30 yards nearly every time. So I do think very cool. I think it's more impressive he's leading the league, although part of the reason he's leading the league is because the Titans give up so many points. That's true. So there's a ton of kickoffs.

So, I mean, it's an interesting statistic, but when you break it down, I don't know that it's as impressive as it would be otherwise. Yeah, he has a ton of kickoff yardage. Now, he has taken two punts back, but I mean, he is pet. Now that's more impressive. The kickoffs are impressive to me, too.

He gets more chances. Yeah, I mean, I even mentioned him last week is finally something I have hope with with the Titans. he's been a great rookie and even Ward's getting a little better, but as a receiver, he still only has like three or 400 yards on the season. So he's doing all of his work on the punt returns. Do you think there is a talent, like a discernible real talent to running those back? Or is it just go?

I think there's got to be a talent. I mean, Devin Hester is the obvious example. But I mean, all right, right now, tell me other great kick returners. Devin Hester is the one everybody knows. Dante Hall was great back in the day. I mean, I think Devin Hester is the only person, is he in the Hall of Fame? I'm not sure. He should be.

I think he is the only kick returner in the Hall of Fame just for being a kick returner. That may be made up, but I think that's true. Deshaun Jackson was a quarterback. Okay. What? Deshawn Jackson was somebody that ran back some kicks. Well, Dion was pretty good. He didn't do it all the time.

I mean, you could go to like, was it like Josh Cribbs with the Browns? He seemed to always... Billy White Shoes Johnson. This is a deep cut for more of our... Do you even know who that is? I do. He has a great touchdown celebration. He does a great one, yeah. This is more of a deep cut for our local Kentucky audience.

But like in college, we had a Derek Abney, who was a fine receiver. But, I mean, when he got the ball, he broke an SEC record that still stands. Can I ask you a question about Billy White Shoes Johnson? Yeah. Doesn't everybody wear white shoes? Well, you know, my cause my cleats just happened. So we saw a lot of different shoes. But I'm just saying, like, was it...

I feel like if I'm thinking about... cleats, I kind of think about white. So why was he, why isn't everyone white shoes? Why isn't it like Joe Whitechews name? That's good question. I mean, why did he get it? Or was he the first guy to do it? Did he make it to where we all wear white shoes now?

What did everybody wear before? I'm not sure, but he did the touchdown dance that emphasized. They didn't call him Billy Touchdown, Johnson. They called him Billy White Shoes, John. And I think that was the funky chicken. They don't call him funky chicken. Yeah, they don't call him funky chicken, Billy. Well, that could have been it too.

but they were looking at his white shoes while he was doing this. Okay, but they're, I don't know. That's just a weird thing to call someone. It would be like a baseball stadium going Aaron baseball cap judge. Yeah. But so was everyone else. Yeah. The internet, I googled it quickly on the fly,

said his high school team wore black shoes and he wore white ones. So it started in high school. Oh. So in high school, he was wearing different than the other team. So when he got to the pros, do you think his teammates were ever like, well, we're wearing white shoes too, dude. Maybe he started the trend. Don't act like you're the first person that ever came up with this.

All right. What were we talking about? Kicker turners. Kicker turners. Okay. So are you excited about having that guy on the team? Yeah, he's a rookie. Cam Ward's a rookie.

Cam hadn't thrown a pick in like three or four weeks. We've covered three straight games. I still want the number one pick. I don't want us to get too good. So it's what you and the Raiders? Right now it's us. I think they have two wins. I think we're the only one-win team.

Oh, you only have one? So you don't want to win enough. No, I didn't want to beat the Cardinals. But I do like DK and Cam Ward as something to build on. But do you need a quarterback? Although I don't know if a quarterback's going to go number one. Probably won't. No, no, no, we don't need quarterback.

Honestly, I don't know this draft class very well yet. But if they wanted to trade it and load up, Titans need so much help. Let's see. Who's projected at the top of the NFL? I honestly have absolutely no idea. I think it's like three Ohio State players of the first four picks in one of my latest mocks. What do you mean one of yours? You don't have a mock track

Like don't not act like Well remember I mean the NFL.com has their own side I'm a heroine now Right now they have Well this must be old Because they have the Jets project isn't in one pick No they do Right now via projected trade with your titan

Yeah honestly they should trade it They need so much help You just got your franchise quarterback Fernando Mendoza going number one We don't need that Good there Number two would be Dante Moore Boy they really are picking quarterbacks

Let's see where they have you going. They have you taking Jordan Tyson, wide receiver, Arizona State. We need wide receivers, quarterbacks, and a pass rusher on the edge are three huge needs. The first non-quarterbacks are Francis Mayugoa from Miami, Jordan Tyson, three quarterbacks in top five. Arvel Reese, Ohio State, linebacker. That's you. Ruben Bain, Edge from Miami, and then Kendrick Falk, Edge from Auburn. I just haven't heard of these people.

I'm sure they're wonderful humans. It's funny hearing the Titans projected to get a top receiver because Titans have always wanted a top receiver. And when we finally get A.J. Brown, they just let him go for nothing. Yeah. Well, we got that to look forward to. Hopefully we get to go to the draft this year, by the way. Where is it? Is it in?

Sure. It's somewhere. We get to go, I think. Is it in Greenback? No. It's like Cleveland or something that's not that. It's not Vegas or one of the fun ones. Maybe not Cleveland.

You tell me you have to go to Cleveland. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. Okay. Now that'll be good. It's a little better. I know it wasn't like Vegas or somewhere excited. Pittsburgh, let's go.

I actually don't know if we're going. I'm just acting as if we're going. I mean, we could go. They can't stop us. They're not going to like ban us from going. I mean, he's got NFL hat. Go walk right in the door. They'll let you.

They'll let you in. If you do that. All right, what's next? Speaking of the Steelers, I saw this stat and thought it was interesting. George Pickens has been great for the Cowboys this year. He has 1,054 receiving yards on the season. All Steelers receivers combined have only 1,082. receiving cards this year.

Was that one of the best trades of all time? I mean, they gave what? You all gave the Cowboys a third round pick for that guy, and he's now, he's wide receiver one, right? He's out playing CD. He's out playing CD-Lown. I mean, the Steelers are done with him. He had some attitude problems, wasn't really performing, living up to the hype.

And I don't know what got into him in Dallas. Maybe he realized, you know, he needed to step it up and play the way he's expected. He's been awesome. He's got 150 yards in a touchdown in the last two games. There's usually people who say, well, if he's, If he's a problem in Pittsburgh, then he's certainly going to be a problem somewhere else. But in this case, that's not been the case. I mean, he's been unbelievable.

That stat is amazing. More receiving yards than the whole Pittsburgh wide receivers. Just under, yeah. Just under. And that's with, you know, Aaron Rogers. D.K. McCaffrey, too. I mean, Pickens is out playing D.K. who they win got. That's pretty amazing.

I'll give you another amazing stat, Matt. Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in receptions this year with 81. I feel like, though, doesn't he, he's, I don't. I don't know if he leads, but he gets, when he's not healthy, he gets a crazy number of receptions every year because they just dump it off to him. I think he had nine touches on the first drive of the game last night versus Carolina. Didn't we have something like a few years back, everybody goes, there's just too much offense in the NFL.

And now it feels like at least when it goes to throwing down field, with the exception of Jackson Smith and Jigba, it feels like there hasn't been as much of that. And that you're seeing a lot more kind of Christian McCaffrey-ass stats. Yeah, it always corrects itself. And I saw to McCaffrey, McCaffrey, he's like. the first player to have a thousand rushing, thousand receiving in a couple straight years. I haven't seen it. It's pretty rare to do that. There's some stat where he's one of the first to do thousand receiving, thousand rushing.

I mean, his anytime touchdown odds Monday night was minus 350. That's crazy to score touchdown in the NFL. Did he score? Yes. I mean, just it was the minus 350? I've watched touchdown bets closely. I've never seen minus 350, not even Jonathan Taylor this year. I don't, I've certainly never seen that.

That's amazing. Well, Pickens has been one of the stars of the NFL. If you were to do, I mean, it's not MVP, but if you were to do like breakout star of the year in the NFL, which is not a, it's not an award, but I'm going to get. We can make the NFL covers zero version. Would it be, I think I'd probably go Jackson Smith and Jigba, because it's just not a person I've spent a lot of time in my life thinking about.

And I can now pronounce his name correctly, which wasn't true until this year. So I think I'd probably pick him. Who would you pick? Yeah, I actually sit around and think about Jason a lot and just have days. I'm just like, what are we doing right now? He's been special. Honestly, Pickens is a great up pick. I thought there was a moment where Rico Dowdell, he had quite a stretch where he was like,

oh, what is he found? He's cooled off a little bit. Daniel Jones had a period of time you might have said that about him too. Yeah, so definitely those guests. Yeah, that's who I would go with. Who's your vote for? Bryce Young. Does the rookies count?

I know it's their first year, but Jackson's. Well, I mean, you can't break out if we never saw you. played before. First of all, how can you pick Jack? He's been hurt. I thought he's been fantastic, though, when he played like five weeks. He broke an all-time record for rushing touchdowns from a quarterback spot. I mean it's been impressive so far. What do you mean he broke it? What was the record? Consecutive games with a rushing touchdown. But it wasn't it like four? I think it was five. Okay. You're easily doing. Hey, man, one of us, one of some money on the parlay. I think you just think he's handsome.

I know he's a good looking guy. If we're doing rookies, I'm going to throw in Harold Fennon Jr. We're not doing rookies. Stop with the rookies don't get to be part of this award that I just created out of nowhere. Just remember on our first ever podcast, I said watch for Harold Fannie Jr. Yeah. From Bowling Green. Speaking of the Browns, Shadir Sanders, going to be starting another week for the Cleveland Browns as they take on the 49ers this week at home. So where are you on Shador Sanders?

Ruding for him. I enjoyed the moment last week. It was in Vegas. Was there a moment? The 53-yard pass was a moment. He didn't do anything. I wish they had gotten, no, no, no, not the dump off. Oh, no, the last.

Yeah, that was a good pass. Yeah, that stopped on the one. I wish you could have seen that through for a touchdown. I will say I was smiling for that. Now I'm not walking around, showing off my wrist and doing the watch dance. And I honestly, not to be a hater, I think he's going to have a come down moment. Who do they play this week? 49ers.

That's going to be, that could be bad. What about his statement? I mean, we talked about it a little bit last show, but the, if you give me, now you see if you give me a full year what I can do. I mean, it's a little, I mean, it's a little much, right? Yeah, and I don't want to sound like old school football purist guy, but he's still doing a lot of eye, I, I, me, me, me. I think Rex Ryan or somebody even came out was like, hey, when you win, it's we. If you lose, you say, I, but still a lot of Chador.

Rex Rydne, though, seems to have an issue with him. I don't know what that's about, maybe because he hasn't seen his feed. I don't know, but like. But when Chador talks, it is all about it's Shadoor time. I'm sorry. Rex Rye, he was always very nice to me when I was. Speaking of brothers. I think he makes fun of himself on that.

Yeah. I mean, I feel like, yeah, I don't. As far as I know, he's a perfectly nice guy. So I don't mean that was a low blow. But sometimes. But it was fun. I think Chador is, you know, it's Dion's kid. Of course, he's going to be a little full of himself.

But I think in this moment, do you think he and Dillon and Gabriel get along? I mean, is there a world in which they could get along? Because I feel like, first of all, the world has put them against each other. And then I don't think Chador is. ever at all gracious towards him publicly. Now, maybe privately, they're good, but... They gotta be somewhat close just going through the meetings. Now, I doubt they're like going at...

Because I mean, Shuders always like, let me play. And the implicit in that is you suck. Drew, didn't DG take a shot at him one time? You and this DG. You always say DG. It blows my mind. We call everyone by their names, but you and Dillon Gabriel, it's DG. Why are you so close to him? I don't know.

Maybe because I'm rooting for him. Like, everybody was, like, counting him out. They didn't want him. They wanted Shadur. And you wanted DG. Sorry. It throws me off when you say DG. Yeah.

What was the question? Sorry, Billy. I got... Didn't DG, like, make, like, a comment at a press conference about Shadur, how he was, like, you know, some people are taking it more seriously than others or something like that. I'd have to go back. How do you know is about Shadur? It was implied.

Okay. I don't remember this. It was about SS. There is little things, like, when Gabriel was playing. well and just taking over. He did the, Schooner did the mime. I mean, I don't know. So you don't think they like each other. I mean, I don't know that they dislike each other.

Part of it, you're competitive. That guy's wants your job and you want his job. That probably happens in most of them. You have to be teammates, though. I mean, that's the, that's the weird. And unlike at other positions where I can play running back and you can too, and we can both play, quarterback, there can only be one. Like, I was talking to Max Duffy. That's our friend. He tried to punt. He was in training camp for the Broncos in a punting competition. was just him and one other guy.

And one of them was going to get the job and the other one was going to be on the street. And I asked him, I was like, how'd you deal with that guy? And he was like, we didn't do anything. We didn't talk. He was like, I didn't hate it. Try to take his legs up from my room. We were trying. We were fighting every day.

And he was like, so I said, were you worked? Did you work together? And he was like, no. I guess Chador and DG are already on the team together. They're going to rookie events together. They're probably going to the exact same. process side by side. But only one will survive, though.

This is like one of these situations. This is not like you can be starter backup. In two years, only one of these guys is going to be on the team. But I don't think that's any different than any other locker room. I'm sure every third string wants the second stringer's job. That's just, I would say, competitive juices. I don't know. I feel like this is worse.

I feel like the fact they're both rookies. They're both start of the season's backups. I just feel like they hate each other. I mean, I'm not reporting it. But I feel pretty confident. Is this going to be on like the scroll of the bottom of the NFL network? Matt Jones reporting. Matt Jones reporting Shadour and Dill and Gabriel hate each other.

DG on the scroll. Billy R. Sports says DG is his favorite. By the way, on that scroll, I know we've done already half a season on this. When I'm watching NFL network and our names go down at the bottom, I'm like a little kid. I can't. I get up, I pause it and I take pictures and I send it to my mom. I don't do that about anything else that we do. but when they do that, I still am just riding high that we're doing this.

Yeah. Look, somebody literally just moments ago on Twitter tweeted me, and he can't be listening because we're not doing this live about your hat. Hey. Someone literally is tweeting about your hat right now. Yeah, that's the one that's out of stock. I'm trying to find that one still. That one would be that.

Well, Rob Lowe made it very popular. He did. You're going to make that one popular. What's next? We're trying to here. Some other quarterback news, Baker Mayfield suffered a low-grade sprained shoulder in his non-throwing shoulder in that Rams game. He should be good to go to play this next week.

That's good news for them. I mean, they weren't sure about that. I thought he might be out. Have you given up? I mean, you all... No, no. Not yet. What is the... What's the ceiling of what you think?

Do you still think you can make a Super Bowl, or did you give that up? Yeah, I've probably given the Super Bowl up. Defense is too bad for that. They can win the division for a fifth straight year, but then a home wildcard loss is definitely in our future. So you are going to play... you're going to play that Saturday early game in the playoffs, right? Probably against who's going to be the five-seat? San Francisco.

Yeah, be an NFC Westing probably. It's going to be you and say, well, but you'll host. So I think you and San Francisco, that's a good early Saturday game because no one will care about that game. Yeah, I feel like that's what we're getting, don't you? I like you in that spot, though. The early game, Baker will find some playoff magic. It would be like 9 a.m. for San Francisco. They'll still be sleepy.

I mean, I just watched him throw three interceptions in the first half two nights ago. So you got that. Yeah, maybe Mike Evans comes back and can be a decoy. But, yeah, the ceiling is definitely lower. When you say Mike Evans, to me, it's like you're saying maybe Roger Craig can come back. Like, I feel like Mike Evans has been in the league so long. And I guess because he hasn't played this year, he just seems like a name from a different generation to me. First Ballot Hall of Famer, though.

There's no doubt about it. Are you going to go? Greatest receivers to ever play. We're all going. Yeah, I'd love it. You seem like you, is he your favorite, who's your favorite buck of all time? Either Mike Allstott or James, probably. James.

Yeah. Interesting. Mike Allstott. That's very much like a, I don't know, it's very much like a white dude like you's favorite. That's an old old buck answer. Yeah. Somebody needs to bring his shoulder pads back.

He had the best shoulder pads. He had those big things on them. Yeah. Huge. When I think, when I think bucks, I think. I think the first name that comes to my mind is Warren Sapp. Sapp, Brooks, Worg, Lynch, Dunn. That's a great.

They're a fun group. Lynch, yeah, Lynch. I forget about Warg Dunn. That's a good one. Brad Johnson. It's got to be the hair. Jinks. What do you mean it's got to be the hair? He did car commercials in Tampa.

Did you expect everyone in the country to know that? Did you just like, you think everybody's going to know the Tampa? He also has a trick shot channel on TikTok. Now that's good. I watch that. It's impressive. What is it? I don't know what this is.

So Brad Johnson will throw a, football and hit goalposts or things like that. Even now? He's what Dude Perfect wants to be. How old is he? He's like got to be 50, isn't it? Oh yeah. He's pushing.

60? 50. He's got to be probably early 50s. And he's still throwing it like through a slinging it. Good for you. He calls himself Big Bad Brad. Big Bad Brad? It's not like he's just kind of throwing one in from a three-point line on a basketball court.

He has some crazy trick shots. Good for you, Big Bad, Brad. And what was the commercial? It's got to be the hair. What did that mean? He just had great hair. Always had great hair. So the commercial was like,

was it selling something? Yeah, cars. From what I remember, my hazy memory of my childhood. I didn't have Brad Johnson as a look at my hair come by this car guy. Of all the bucks we named,

there could be lots of... I need to look at his hair and see if it was really good. Is it, was it really good? It felt like it was like your standard go to your just the shopping center of $15 hair cut. That's like, Brad Johnson quarterback.

I mean, no offense, but like, that hair is just a, No, I mean, it's just. Oh, it wasn't that for the commercials, though. In Tampa, he had much better hair than that, whatever that cut was. I see no pictures of Brad Johnson with good hair.

None. I mean, first of all, this is what he looks like. Is this the guy slinging right here? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's great bad, Brad. That's Brad. He's bigger now. I don't think he had good hair.

I think you're thinking about it. Also, why was he talking about his hair for a car commercial? That is a better question than if he had good. hair. I think my question's still valid because I've yet to see a picture of him in good hair. I'll find the I'll find the commercial for you. I want to see his flow. What's next?

The other quarterback news I had besides Brad Johnson and Baker Mayfield is that J.J. McCarthy is in concussion protocol. There's a chance he doesn't play this week's game versus the Seahawks. Matt, do you know who the Vikings back? It's a rookie. His name's like Max Scherzerzer. Brasmer. So pretty good.

Max Brasmer. And where did he play? Drew and I looked it up before the show started. Minnesota. Minnesota. Yep. He's one of those people that played at like three colleges and four years. So Max Brasmer of Minnesota is going to get to play for Minnesota.

Might be replacing nine as the starting quarterback of the Vikings. Oh, nine. I'm excited. I love when random dudes get to play. Like, I love when the quarterback is somebody from like beer fart state. I do enjoy, I mean, I don't know if Minnesota is exactly that. But I, no one knows Max Brasmer, and I'm excited to watch him play. Who did they play?

New Hampshire before he was at Minnesota. So he started the lower level. They're going to get destroyed, aren't they? He's going to get. So he started at New Hampshire. Yes, then to the Golden Gophers, then to the Vikings. It could be better than J.J. McCarthy. Well, that would be bad if Max.

What if he did just come in and look good? Man, so I'm excited now. Every year you get one of these games where one year my bears had it, they had like Tyler, Hay, Fagent, or hey, And he played somewhere random and came in and actually played pretty well. So maybe Max Prismar will. Yeah, sometimes these guys get shots and stick around. Billy, you're Western Kentucky.

Bailey Zappi's still on a roster somewhere. I remember when he got his first minutes. He's the, he Shador's backup. Yeah, he Shador's backup this week. So you can make it to the league from anywhere. Yeah. Well, all right. What's next?

The Giants fired their defensive coordinator just recently. Shane Bowen. It was the fifth time they blew a 10 plus point. lead. That is an NFL record, by the way. Their defense ranked 30th overall, and Sunday's loss, the Giants, it was their 12th straight road loss. So they fired their head coach and their defensive coordinator in a

matter of two weeks. So his name is some Bowman, right? Bowman. Bowen. Bowen. So I was driving around, I was in the drive-thru lane at Jaggers, which I'd never try before. I've heard good things. I haven't been yet. It's fine, but it's very inexpensive.

I think that's why people like it. Like a sandwich was like $5, which you don't see that nowadays. No. So there's your Jaggers ad. But while I was in line, I had it on NFL radio because I like the two old guys that are on

the afternoon moving the chains. It wasn't on yet, so I don't know what it was on. But one of the guys that was doing it was, is a Giants guy. And he was going off on this guy. And he was like, everyone who's ever watched a football game has said

to themselves in the last couple weeks that Shane Bowen doesn't know what he's doing. And I was like, I don't think that's true. I've watched a football game. Never thought about that guy. Not one time, have I ever thought about it. But then they said, you know, he's given up 10 point leads. He's given up a lead of 10 points, six games this year.

But the guy that fired him just got the job a week ago. And a week ago, he said, I have full confidence in him for the rest of the year. And then one week later, he got rid of him on a game they all. almost won in Detroit, so that seems odd to me. Yeah, I have a little bit, he was the Titans defensive coordinator for three years before the Giants. And it was kind of a mixed bag. We had a year

we was really good. They were the AFC championship run. They were tops in a lot of categories, but his weakness was defending the past. We always had a good run defense. So when he left with the Titans and they picked him up immediately he was kind of like, yeah, okay, enjoy that. Was it well known that he's not

someone you want with your, I mean, was he know, was it well known that he was having, they said he doesn't know how to call play. Like, this guy was going off on him. Sounds about right coming from my organization. Yeah. It was very good year. And it took him a while to get my chicken sandwich.

So I was like, is this guy going to just continue to rail? I mean, the guy got fired. Give him a break. Maybe he needs a job. He could go work there now. Yeah. Well, he will not be. So, and then they got mad there like, well, they've promoted so-and-so who's never

called plays before. I'm like, well, what do you want him to do? You just fired the other guy. Somebody's got to start. Somebody's got to do it. And the guy just never call plays. I mean, he's got to start somewhere. Yeah.

All right, my final news note is another coaching change. Chip Kelly was fired in the middle of our last show. Las Vegas is making Greg Olson. Ryan Kelly's brother, according to Drew. Their interim offensive coordinator, the quarterback's coach, Greg Olson. This will be Olson's third stint as the Raiders offensive coordinator. He held the job in 2013 and 14, then again in 2018 to 2021, and now again here in 2025. Which team?

The Raiders. That is kind of amazing that he would have the job three times the same. Three separate times, yeah. What did you not like about him the first times that he changed so much? Or did he just hang around? It's like, oh, give it to Greg again. Maybe he just has like a long-term lease. And so he can't go work anywhere else.

And every few years they're like, you know what? Greg's a good guy. He keeps hanging around. He's cheap. Let's bring him back. He stays out of trouble. So his name is Greg Olson, too. Yes.

Hmm. So it's tough for him. two people. We did this with Josh Allen's few weeks ago. Yeah, but they're both good. Yeah, I mean, this Greg Olson doesn't stand a chance. The moment I heard this, I thought, is the broadcaster stepping away? Craig Olson.

So, well, I mean, there's a very small chance this will work. I mean, they stink. Yeah, I guess that's why they're giving it to Greg. They're worse than your Titans are. I mean, they may have one more win, but they're worse. Yeah, we're finding some life at the end of the year, and they are going the complete opposite way. Well, the thing about Old Vegas downtown is it smells like, cigarette. I love it. I prefer it. Do you? My last five Vegas...

I said it. Do you really? Love it. Absolutely. I'd say my last five Vegas trips, maybe more. We've done an old Vegas night every time. I'm for a night, because you get to see like people walking around in weird outfits and stuff. That's exactly why I'm going. But you do prefer it. Oh, yeah. Love it. You just said it. It's the people watching. There is a Tony Romas. It might be the last Tony Romas in the world. There's not a Tony Romas. Went there for my birthday two years ago. There's not a Tony Romas. See, I have a picture of me under the side. No, I'm going to show you. I love Old Of all the place to eat in Vegas, you went to Tony Robes.

Yeah, because it's like maybe Gallenberg and Vegas are the last two Tony Romis. You don't have to pull the picture. I'm showing you because I want you to know. I believe that you went to Tony Rovers. Billy, can you have them put this on the podcast, the picture? No, nobody goes to Tony Robes. I went to Old Vegas for my 21st birthday with my dad. Just the two of you?

And his brother and then my friend surprised me there. And he got a chest tattoo that night. Okay, but that's very impressive. but I need to go back to your dad. Your dad got a chest tattoo? Yeah, the night of my 21st birthday. Is your dad a serial killer? No, no.

It was like a family crest kind of situation, but it was... So is he's like Scottish? No, no, but he did use the night of my 21st birthday to get it. What is the crest? Like, what is your heritage? I'd have to show you. I can't really... You can't tell me the country is a secret?

No, I mean, what's the nationality? It's not a nationality. It's more of like a Masonic... thing that he's made it into his own like oh like the masons or whatever okay so he didn't get like a billy's 21st in the date tattoo no no he has a tattoo he wanted i was hoping you're gonna tell me you all woke up like the hangover and your dad just had a mike tyson tattoo or something did you consider getting it to or did you think he wanted you

to get it to and then you just didn't no it was it was definitely like he had planned it for a while so he for your 21st's birthday he planned for him to get a tattoo yeah he just struck while the iron was hot being like a crazy night kind of thing. So it was like a crazy night. Yeah, the wife or my mom didn't really appreciate it. Oh, so he didn't tell her it was happening?

Wow. So this is what Pete Carroll's up against. Pete Carroll's out doing stuff like this all the time. Wow. So that's a pretty amazing story. So your dad gets the tattoo. Were you there while you got the tattoo? Yeah, I got it. Were you supportive of it? Yeah, I was. And then the facetime we did back to my mom was

just as fun. If I can compliment Billy's dad. I heard about this story. He took Billy to Vegas and Billy didn't know all his friends were going to be there. So his dad flew all his friends up. That's a very nice. No, that's a very cool. That's a very cool thing. The last time I went to tell Vegas, I have a friend named Sean. I won't say his last name. And he was there too. And he was like in a different part. He was at a different casino. And we walked up to this black check table and we saw a guy that looked like what we thought Sean would be in like 25 years. We called him Sean from the future. He looked like him, except, you know, he's a little more wrinkled and gray-haired,

but he had the same like shape and cigarettes. And we were like, let's play Blackjack with Sean from the future, right? So we text, hey, Sean, it's you from the future. And Sean comes. And now he sits a table. So you have Sean and he's looking at his guy from the future. And Sean's very upset that we're calling him Sean from the future because the guy has some characteristics that weren't appealing. Okay. What a complete compliment. Yeah, no, it was not like he was like, oh, this is George Clooney.

This is you in the future, right? We sit there, we play the guys like haggard and miserable and smoking. And at one point he gets up to go the bathroom. And Sean just goes, yeah, that's me from the future. Just surrendered. He just acknowledges that that was him from the future. And so that's my memory about me. So we all have good stories.

Tony Roma's, dad chest tattoo, Sean from the future. Sounds like we need to go to Vegas for a game. I would like that. I think that would be fun. We could tailgate in old Vegas. Yeah. I actually think that'd be a lot of fun. Where's the field?

Is it? It's kind of off by itself, but not like too far. I mean, you see the big room out there. All right. Let's, all right. So this weekend, of course, Thursday is Thanksgiving, and there are three games. And it is the fourth annual John Madden Thanksgiving celebration. So let me, I'm going to read you.

some of the stuff they're doing here, Drew, what you think? To celebrate Madden's time with the game, it's going to be all the, they're going to have a Madden Hallmark to kick off each broadcast that will say, show the best clips of Madden on Thanksgiving and what he did. And they'll also be an MVP of each game where $10,000 will be given to the high school football program

where the player played. That's kind of nice, isn't it? Very cool, very cool. And they're going to have a coin I like this. The official coin will be John Madden on one side and a turduckin on the reverse side. Do you remember the turduckin? Of course I remember the turduckin.

How could you forget the turduckon? I mean, I think about the turduckon every year. John, we need an AI John Madden or something because Thanksgiving it needs all the madden it can possibly get. But it was incestuous. It was. I mean, it was a turduckin is like something that says there might be too much radioactivity. in the water, isn't it? Six legs, I think. Yeah, and it's literally you put a duck inside a turkey and then put a chicken inside that.

So you're really loading up on your protein there. But I used to love when he... You think that would be good? I've always wanted it just from growing up watching Madden. I miss, you remember this. He would get on the Telestrator and be like, here's a leg, here's a leg. He would be like circling parts of the turkey. I mean, I still love the NFL on Thanksgiving, but it was all about Madden growing up.

And I'm glad they're still recognizing him with all this stuff they're doing. One of the things I think is funny is that the thought that either Tom Brady or Tony Romo every year have to spend Thanksgiving in Detroit. Like they have a very glamorous job and they get a lot of money. But once every year, two years, they're spending Thanksgiving in Detroit and there ain't one thing they can do about. How quickly do you think Tom is on a plane out of Detroit the moment he can... Well, he leaves in the third quarter.

He's calling the game from the sky. But other people don't realize, that's AI, Tom. He doesn't stick around for a turkey leg celebration? I don't think so. But the John Minnie Madden Thanksgiving celebration began in 2022. And it is throughout the games this weekend. And that's very cool. Great way to honor them.

Like I said, I mean, my memories of Thanksgiving Day growing up, it's his voice and that turduckin and all the things that came with it. Yeah. All right. So now it is time for the victory bundle presented by Liberty Mutual. We picked three games. I think last week we won this. I don't remember.

Just say it. Nobody will look it up. Hold on. I've got my unorganized. I didn't ask you to contribute to this. I will let you pick a team, but do not question. Do not question whether or not we won. I'm sitting here looking at the games.

I don't love my chances, but I will take Billy's Tampa Bay bucks to cover the three and a half and beat Arizona at one o'clock on Sunday. So my team will be Tampa Bay. What about you, Drew? since we both like the bingles cover in seven so we said earlier should we just throw that in as part of the three pack make it part of the madden day uh beyond that i really want to believe in the bills where are we on the bills it's three and a half at pittsburg it is on the road they can't be that yeah i don't know i think i'd stay away from that okay let's stay away from that i'm going to i can kirk cousins beat the jets no i do not ever bet on the falcon you know that well okay well we can do Dolphin Saints. Throw that out. I mean, why don't we do this?

There's three games. So why don't we just pick the Thursday to Thanksgiving? Yeah, I like that. All right. So you're going to take the Bengals. Let's try to collectively. I like the Lions. I like the Lions a lot.

Because that's a big home field advantage. Are you good with that Bill? So let's do Lions. We'll do Bingles. And then Chiefs Cowboys, this is tough. I just don't see the Chiefs losing. I wish it were two and a half instead of three. but it's three.

I'm still going to take the Chiefs, and then I might end up with a push, but I'll take it. I like that pick, even though I'll be wearing my Cowboy sweatshirt to dinner. The Chiefs have a lot more to play for. The Cowboys' offense has been fun,

but they still have plenty of holes. So we're taking Chiefs, lions, and bingles, and that will be our victory bundle presented by Liberty Mutual. Start your quote at Liberty Mutual.com. When do you start eating Thanksgiving dinner? Is it during the Chiefs?

Chiefs Cowboys Thursday. I have to cook the turkey this year, so everyone's on my time, and I don't really know when I'm going to do that. It's gotten earlier every year for me. We used to eat around 4.30, and now as my parents get older, my parents are now to the point that they're eating dinner at 250. So since this is lunch, you know, they're like, okay, 9.30 in the morning, time for lunch. So this year, it's at 1.

But it started at 3, and then I was told that everybody may get to hungry so we were going to do two. And now we've moved it up to one. That's pre-half time of the first game that you're going to be serving turkey. I know. But that's when they want to do it. That's right about the time she's going to be asking you why people are in Detroit on Thanksgiving, right as that game picks off.

Yeah. So this is like, there are a lot of people at this usually because this is like Larry, my stepdad's family. And so it's a lot of extended people and there are always children there. And now they're grown. And I always forget. I don't know if I should say this because some of these people might be listening. I always forget which kid is who.

Forget the names. That's tough. Well, I mean, this is now, these are, I guess, my, okay, what's the math here? So my dad and his dad, my dad and his brother, right? His kids and me are cousins. Okay. But their kids are first cousin once removed. Is that right?

I think that's the case. Isn't that right? I think so. So these are my first cousins once removed. And they all have like three kids. And I kind of think they're all the same people. Just all the same. Just running around while you're trying to watch football.

Yeah. And I remember, like I know there's one name Charlie. Do you just shout that out? So I do know. And he's a guy. Okay. We're getting somewhere. So I'm able to separate the genders.

Okay. But generally I just. I just go, man, it's good to see it. Yeah, go on. You live in Seattle? Oh, no, Buffalo. Okay, yeah. Same thing.

I knew it. It was up there, one of the ways. So that's the conversation I'll have on that. Well, you got something to talk about it if it's Buffalo now. Yeah. I don't know if they live in Buffalo. Oh, that was just a complete guess. I have absolutely no idea.

All right. So you're in the Survivor League. Let's start with that. I am. There has been a challenge flag thrown on the Survivorly. Yeah. What is the inquiry? The inquiry is there are people who suggest you've picked the Seahawks twice.

Is that plausible? To my organized notes, I have only picked the Seahawks once. I'm told that you've picked Seattle two of the last three weeks. Well, I am on the Jackson-Smithing Jibba train, but... I don't know. You've been fading the Titans for the last three weeks. I've been following them around, and I was going to mention that I can't pick that game this week. I've already picked the Jags. So there is a sense of organization here.

Well, first of all, don't change the subject here, sir. Are you suggesting you have not cheated by picking the Seahawks? I am a man of honor. I would not knowingly cheat in any survival of already won. I'm going to say the call is not confirmed. It's inconclusive. And we have to go with the call on the field. We do put a lot of trust in him there with his notes.

We just assume that everything he's writing down, we can trust. I don't know if we came about out. Did Jackson Dart even run in a touchdown or did you make that up to? Oh, he sure did. It was the first touchdown of the day that day. I made sure everybody know about it. So what is your pick this week? Well, like I said, I can't pick the Jags because I just can't follow the Titans around anymore.

Don't even try to pick the Seahawks again. So I guess I'll stay away from them too, even though they have their hands full with the Vikings backup quarterback. I'm going to go with the Miami Dolphins. They are at home against the New Orleans Saints. Really? Tua comes off of a buy. Really? You got a little momentum going.

I can't think of another time. Is there a reason you're not picking the chargers? I've already picked them. Okay. That I do know of a team that I've picked. That is a, what about the Rams? Have you picked the Rams, I believe. Dolphins, that's a risky.

That is a, I couldn't have put my whole season on the dolphins. I have not picked the Rams. So you would rather have dolphins against the Saints over Rams against the Panthers? Yes. The Saints have been very competitive in these games. Yeah, against the NFC. South. All right. I think this, can I go on record?

I think this is a mistake. It's a gamble. But you're going with the dolphins. Well, my integrity is getting questioned. this week too so this is going to be a big week for me all right so billy picks the dolphins now let's do the let's do the touchdown picks i have no idea whose turn it is last week you and i hit i know but i have five i went first last week i'm dressed two so if you went first that means billy's first this time so go ahead okay i am going to take travion henderson the running back for the new england

Patriots, the team that they are playing, have these 30-second ranked rushing defense this week. That's the New York Giants who just fired their defensive coordinator. Give me a little Monday night football action. Trevion Henderson gets into the end zone. All right. I like that one. I'm going to take Puka Nakua. He's a wide receiver playing against the Panthers on the road.

He's had a great year. So I'm going to take Puka Nakua to continue my lead. And that means, Drew, you have to pick a quarterback. Now, I feel like I've been stuck with quarterbacks a lot. You have, but that's because I don't know who I've picked. So I've done Josh Allen, I think Lamar. Do you have these written down? I don't, no.

I've disproportionately had more quarterbacks. Well, I'll tell you what, let's just go crazy. Who's my guy from the Vikings? No, no, no, no, no, stop. You don't want to do that. You don't want to pick Max Scherzer. Brossmer. I'm going Max Brosmer.

You're not picking Max Brasmer. What are the odds? See what the odds are from Max Brown. I've already picked all the known names because I keep getting stuck with third in this. So I've already done Alan, Jackson, all the guys that run. We learn on Monday. Bryce Young doesn't know how to run into the end zone. So I mean, you could do.

Cam Ward done runs. You could do. Daniel Jones and Justin Herbert has 350 rushing yards. You all aren't talking to me anything better than the guy. You could do. James. Oh, James. That's a new twist that I haven't.

done yet you could do james i think i'll go james that's a good call you could do dag no he's throwing to pickings and cd he doesn't run so you're gonna you want to do james or are you doing max prosmer i always stick with your gut like back when i would not study for test whatever letter i looked at first would be the one i would answer all right so look up what is max brosmmer's odds because here's because if the odds are high enough i'm gonna do something special for okay what uh what are the odds i'm not it's got to be over five plus 500 right you don't even think it's on there uh i don't see it there's no way They don't believe.

Okay, what if he doesn't play? Then I guess I'll lose. I'll give you if he doesn't play. I'll give you James. Okay. Oh, okay. So James or Brosmer here? Do you want that?

If he doesn't play, I'll give you James. I haven't wavered on Brosmer. You all are wavering for me. All right. Well, it doesn't look like they've put up the player props yet. But I'll tell you this. If it is over plus a thousand, then if you get it, I'll give you two points.

Okay. Is that fair? I'm getting it. And I'm betting it, whatever it is. So if it's over plus 1,000, when it comes out, I'll give you two points. If it's not, you'll only get one point. Okay.

I don't think it'll be that high, but we'll see. We'll find out. So if you're wanting to do a parlay that will pay big, Trayvian Henderson, Pooka, and Max Brosmer. He had 15 rushing touchdowns in college. Bring it. Then it won't be plus a thousand. All right, so you're only going to get one point.

See, you are trying to talk me out of my pick. I hope I'm the only one that gets it. If you are, you should talk about. Talk trash. All right. Well, everybody, enjoy your Thanksgiving. Billy, enjoy your hat. And on Black Friday,

don't be too crazy with your shopping. NFLshop.com. Did you really promo it? You think you are the one that needs to promo NFL shop. I'm sure it doesn't hurt. Okay, fair enough. We'll see you later.

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