KSR - NFL Cover Zero: The Playoff Hunt Begins!

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin start their Week 12 preview with a newly found fandom for the Bills.  Matt notes the Eagles and Cowboys wins before moving to the news of the week.  Ja'Marr Chase will sit out a game after spitting on Jalen Ramsey.  How can Aaron Rodgers handle playing with a fractured wrist?  Shedeur Sanders will get the start on Sunday when the Browns visit the Raiders. Will it be a good or a bad outing? Kirk Cousins will start for the Falcons, who lost Michael Penix Jr. for the season.  Does the coin flip decide if the Panthers win or lose? Cam Skattebo goes to a WWE event and Matt wonders if was a good idea.   Josh Allen will obliterate the record for rushing TDs for a QB.  How long will Allen continue to run like he does? The Chiefs are currently out of the playoffs and Matt wonders if they'll make it to the postseason. Over in the NFC, can the Bears win the NFC North?  The Saints will expand the NFL's International footprint with a game in Paris.  Matt and Drew give their picks for Week 12 before giving their Survivor and TD parlays. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and IHeart podcast. It is week 12, NFL cover zero, returned from Buffalo and ready for yet another week. We are about to hit the two-thirds mark of the season. The playoff hunt is starting to materialize, and it is a gloomy day where we are, in Kentucky, but hopefully wherever you are around the country, it is a happy time. Drew still wearing his Bill's Mafia hat.

I think it's starting to get a little, I don't know, it feels like you're kind of cheating on the Titans. And at some point, I think she's going to make you decide. Like you're either out of the house and go live with your new girlfriend or you're going to have to make a decision. You're right. I'm struggling with it. But right now the house that I'm trying to stay in is on fire.

So it's kind of hard to stay in my house right now. But I'm still, you all have been with me since we got back. I haven't stopped smiling from that trip. And it's, it's, yeah, I mean, it's the kind of thing that happens when somebody, you know, has a new girlfriend. But is she going to be there for you, to quote Chris Rock? Is she going to be there for you when it gets cold? Can she cook? Can she do all the things for you that the Titans used to do?

Part of me wonders if those bedpan meatballs are always going to be there or did I just get caught up in the excitement of being there once? Well, you definitely got caught up in the excitement. That's fair. Now, whether or not it's staying, we had a great time, though, and thanks to everybody, a huge amount of listeners, one of our most listened to episodes. People keep telling your friends, your family, or strangers about NFL cover zero. And shout out to our social media guy Mario for all he put out. and to Billy for providing good entertainment. Dick Van Dyke turns 100 years old tomorrow in honor of your feet.

Yeah, look good, feel good. We were addressing for success in Buffalo and had a great time going to the tailgates with Drew and then postgame interviews with you guys. So a lot of fun. Before we go on, can we note, Billy bought an NFL logo hat. He's now just an NFL fan. That's new. He robbed himself.

You're Rob Lowe. I'm not going to say anything to you. But I am. When you got online, you were asking me if clothing looked good. And it was NFL clothing. It was like the NFL hat. It was an NFL shirt. And you were like, how do these colors look?

I was like, they look good. I was under the mistake and assumption, though, you were going to then put a team logo on it. I did not assume that you would just go with the NFL logo. And then I look to the rest of your clothing, like you wear Apple hats. You wear Burger King hats. I love a Toyota sweater. You're kind of a corporate man, I guess. I'm a man behind the shield right now.

Got to support the logo here. I do like that hat. But, I mean, you don't see a lot. It's just you and Rob Lowe are the only people I've ever seen wearing an NFL hat. Yeah, I'm here to carry that flag. So me and Rob. Well, good. Well, it fits in with your Dick Van Dyke shoes.

it was interesting, our contact at the NFL wrote and specifically took up for your shoes. So there might be a place for you if this whole entertainment thing doesn't work out in the NFL head office. Yeah, I think that's just real, recognizing, real there. And excited to keep up the attire next time we go on a trip. Real, recognizing real. That's exactly right. Have you learned anything about Dick Van Dyke since our last? No.

All right. Well, 100 years old tomorrow. So happy birthday, Dick. He has a book coming out. Oh, nice. It's like how to live to be 100. So you just got to get to tomorrow. The book will not sell well if he doesn't get to it.

So you're like, you have to wrap him in protective bubble between now and tomorrow, right? I actually saw, you know, because he's a comedian, he jokes. He's like, wouldn't it be funny if I didn't make it to the book release? No, to his 100th birthday. He like, he openly joked about because there's so much around it. I think it would be sad. But also kind of funny if he did, like he has a book coming out about longevity and he doesn't make it to the book release. But I think he's going to make it.

I think he will too. Yeah. And I hope his career continues to research because he seems like a nice fellow. 100. What a great run. All right. So we always like to talk about what happened since our last show. We did the Sunday podcast in Buffalo before Eagles Lions.

It was an atrocious game that, that I couldn't even pay attention to. I tried. The Eagles continued to bore everyone to tears, but win. Sort of like Iowa football over the years, Wisconsin basketball. Would you like to be a fan of a team that wins,

but is just hideously boring to watch? No, and I actually was going to bring up Iowa football for comparison. You just did it. That's what that game reminded me of. Those were two marquee opponents. A game I was really looking forward to watching, and what was it, like, 16 to 9?

Oh, yeah. And it wasn't even as exciting as that. No, not at all. It felt like it was like six to three. One takeaway is, you know, earlier we were talking about, are the Eagles running too much? Then you get A.J. Brown on the ball.

What's their identity? They do seem like they're just a defensive team now. They've flipped a switch on the defense. It's always been good, but they're really shutting teams down. So obviously that was part of the style while it was boring. But that was a big win for the Eagles to play the lions like that. Now the lions are kind of backed up against the wall.

Yeah, I wish I had thoughts about it. I just didn't. And then the same thing with the Monday night football game. I mean, I, you know, I'm a fan of the Manning cast. And I was a little busy Monday. So I turned the game on and it was 31 to 9 Cowboys. And Guy Fieri was on the Manning cast. And I don't like Guy Fieri.

And I don't like games that are 31 to 9. So I didn't see one minute of it. You are at Cowboys Fair. Your wife is. You probably watched it. Anything I need to know. Well, the big story, A, pickens. and Lamb had huge games, picking specifically.

He's been amazing. That might go down as the worst trade ever. Cowboys completely made out good on that. You would think that would get a lot more attention, being the Cowboys. But I guess it shows that when you're four, five, and one, people just won't follow it as much. What game do you think they were playing? Hopefully it was a game, maybe not a nightclub. You know, I've been out there.

Sometimes you can leave a nightclub and the sun's up. It really throws you off. I don't know what they were doing, but it was weird seeing the Cowboys in a big game like that. and those two on the sideline for the first series looking on. Yeah, well, but it didn't seem to matter. Maybe powgau, is that a game? Pay gal, pi gal. Did I make that up?

Piegau. I bet they were playing that. I don't know how to play that. I know that's a big game in Asia. People really like to play that. The Bellagio has war. It's unbelievable. I've played it.

What's war? You just flip over a card and hire a card. I mean, it's just so fast. You and the dealer flip over a card. You just flip over a card. Yeah. Oh, I got a nine. You got an ace.

I lose. That's the whole game. They have an advantage on... I think the advantage is on a tie, I believe. That's because, you know, the house has to have a little advantage. But maybe they were doing that. Is that just to attract the stupidest people? Like, any...

If you can't understand even... If you can't even understand Blackjack, hey, look, eight's higher than five. That's a game I played on, like, church trips on a bus growing up. I didn't know that you could go to one of the nicer resorts in Vegas and play it, but I saw it there a couple years ago. Huh. I had no idea.

So they were doing that. I went to a casino where he said. And there was a game and they were like, here, play this because it was only a $5 limit. And my friends didn't want to play higher than that. And we realized that we didn't know the rules of the game. I don't recommend that. I don't recommend playing a game where you have to ask the dealer, did we win? I mean, I don't think they're cheating.

But it's not a good feeling to go, okay, how'd that work out for me? It's probably not the best way to invest your money if you don't even know where you're playing. Yeah. But, well, I'm glad Pickens and Lamb, they ended up both scoring touchdowns, right? Yeah, huge. Both of them. Even after not being their start. So we might as well go through the stories and the news of the week.

And as always, we bring in Billy Van Dyke to get started. Billy, what's first? Yeah, let's start with another wide receiver, Jamar Chase. His suspension was upheld after spitting on Jalen Ramsey last week. He will miss the game versus the Patriots this week. When he tried to appeal, his argument was, if I would, would have spit on him. I would have spit on him in his face, not on his jersey. That's interesting.

Jamar will lose $507,000 in lost wages. So his argument was, I don't miss when I spit? I would spit in your face if I was going to spit on you. So what is he arguing came out of his mouth? I don't know. He says initially he didn't spit. That we saw saliva come out of his mouth. I don't think that's controversial.

There's no mistaking in that. even you see him kind of swish it and you know you see his lips come together and spit it oh you saw him slish and then you even you even see like ramsie kind of make the the turn that you would make if you someone spit on you like you see his reaction so so you think he actually did hit his face no no it lands short but he can't deny that he spit you like watch his mouth so are you arguing that ramsie flopped on the spit because if it hit his chest he shouldn't have jerked back it did look like it's hit his chest regardless shouldn't spit on someone but chase doubling down saying you didn't do it when we've all seen it the camera angle gets it perfectly

I think this is really bad for his brain you did a lot yeah when you're just blatantly lying we're like do we see it and then I know he's seen it and he's still doubling down he should have just said you know caught up in the moment should have done it well so it's now I mean we have the precedent has been set set now in multiple games if you spit on someone one game suspension do you feel like that's the right amount of time for a for a rogue spitter I do it's pretty respectful to do that. You can't have people going around spitting. I liked what Mike Tomlin said. Did you see that?

They asked him what he thought about Ramsey punching him. And he said, I have no message if someone spits on you, do whatever feels natural. Yeah. I think we've had this conversation on other forums about why people feel spitting is so disrespectful. I would much rather be spit on than punched. But it seems like most people think the opposite. They would rather you punch them than spit. I mean, a spit doesn't hurt.

I can wipe it off. A punch can hurt. yet most people see it the other way around. Yeah, and then for Tomlin in a press conference to be like, you know what, I got Ramsey's back, whatever he felt he needed to do, and that circumstances all rules are off. Do you agree with him? Kind of.

It's more for me, not Ramsey's reaction. It's Chase, what are you doing? It's a disrespect. Yeah. You shouldn't have done it, especially when the first game of the NFL season, a guy gets ejected for doing that exact thing. It's a pretty big story. And then you're doing it and denying it when everyone knows you did it.

Yeah, and if the Bengals were in a playoff hunt, that would be bad. $500,000. I mean, we sort of say that like it's nothing. That's a half million dollars that he's missing for spit. Sometimes it's funny. People will say, oh, the NFL players don't care. They don't, they'll say that about athletes. If you're willing to give up $500,000 to spit, I would argue you care quite a bit, right?

Yeah. And, Billy, didn't you say the number was $507?000? The $7,000, I almost need an explanation for. Well, no, no, it's a guess. I didn't know if we had a fee on spitting. It's an extra $7,000. That's a $500,000 spit. Plus seven because it was egregious.

He'll fill that one. Even though he's stupid rich, he'll fill that one a little bit. Well, I think that makes perfect sense is what they should have done. And, you know, I guess what? While we're on the Steelers, you want to do Aaron Rogers here? I assume that's one of your stories. Yeah, it is. We can stay there.

Aaron Rogers doesn't need surgery on his left wrist. He has not yet been ruled out of Sunday's game versus the Bears. So I guess disaster averted for Pittsburgh. Yeah. But he's going to have a broken wrist. Have you ever had a broken wrist? I think I currently have one. I've been meaning to go get it checked out for a while.

What do you mean you currently have? Yeah, that was bad. My whole arm was bruised. My whole arm was purple. I should go get it looked at. When was this? I did it about a year ago and I just haven't got it checked out. I don't think you have it broken.

I've had a broken wrist, and you know it. Like, it's not, oh, that could be broken. It's broken. And it hurts, which is how I don't know how he's going to play. Well, it's Aaron Rogers. He's a health expert. He's been taking good care of his body for all these years. If we're not dealing with a normal specimen here.

You know what? He's done his own research. He knows. That's a great point. I don't know who am I to say that modern medicine applies to him. He was awful. last week. Like truly awful.

And he's been awful now for a couple of weeks. Are you kind of of of the opinion that maybe the ayahuasca is worn off and sort of that it's now, I mean, there are some people say maybe you go with, at least with Mason Rudolph, you know, you get some consistency. Yeah.

And part of, you know, we all know how old he is. He had a great start. You know, old people, he's just old, man. The season's long. He had a great first few weeks. and then time caught up to him.

I mean, that could be real. Yeah, I believe it. Old people, I know for me, I ain't as good as I once was, but I could be good for like six games. But then after that, you know, so I don't think that's it's unreasonable. I am fascinated by Mason Rudolph.

That man has been Pittsburgh's backup quarterback since Terry Bradshaw play. And they keep bringing in new guys, but they can't get rid of. him. He watches them. He was a Titan last year and we gave him back. He stepped away for one year.

Even more to the point. Even more to the point. He just keeps coming back. Like Mason Rudolph is like, it's like a girlfriend. You just can't quit her. You've got to keep bringing her back in your life.

And he is probably, I would be fascinated to see how many quarterbacks he has replaced in his Pittsburgh career. Going back to Rothesburg. I think he's probably replaced five or six quarterbacks through the course of his career. Yeah, he got

dragged. He was probably there? Was that six, seven years ago? He got drafted. I know he dipped him. That's it. It feels like more than that. Yeah, when he went to the Titans, I kind of thought, what are we doing, taking this guy with no future lasted a year. And then the Steelers picked him right back up, and now he's going to

probably be playing in a big game against your Bears. And he didn't look terrible when he got in there. I feel like he's always been solid. Give me some Mason Rudolph. His numbers were pretty good. When did he come into the league? 2018, third round pick, 76 overall, went to Oklahoma State before that. I remember that.

And was his Pittsburgh Steeler, Tennessee Titan for one year, and now back with the Steelers. How many games does he start? I don't have his starting here. Okay. Let's see. I mean, Pittsburgh does this. I feel like Charlie Batch was there for a long time. And then the same thing with Mason Rudolph.

I think when you get that job as backup quarter. quarterback for the Steelers, you're a lifer. Yeah, he played a lot for the Titans last year. I thought in the last game, he came in. His numbers were pretty good through a touchdown. I think his completion percentage was pretty good. But I think they're going to get used to having to see that. As a Bears fan, I want Aaron Rogers to play.

Because we need to, you know, he... He's a guy. Well, he takes extra pride in beating us. Like, he is an absolute jerk when it comes to, well, everything. But specifically when it comes to the Bears. And so I don't want to beat them and him not be there because then he'll say, we'll see. So I actually want him to.

Didn't he win like 13 straight? There's some crazy stat of how many times he beat the Bears. I think it's 13. I think it was something like that. Some wild. In his head, he thinks he has ownership, even if it is a different uniform. Do you believe he's married? Aaron Rogers?

Yeah, because there's this whole thing about they don't know if his wife is real because he's never said the person's name and they've never been seen. and he doesn't wear a wedding ring. Well, he's been open about taking some hallucinic. You think he hallucinated a wife? I mean, if anyone in the league would, I don't know that. That's an interesting position. You don't think he's lying.

You think he believes he has a wife. Yeah, I mean, it's Aaron Rogers. He's got all kinds of beliefs that I don't believe. Interesting. Could be an AI wife. Yeah. That's a great. I have to tell you, that's something I hadn't even considered.

The fact that he does not have a wife but thinks he does. Yeah. What is the basis for he doesn't have a wife? There's like a whole conspiracy theory thing, right? Not that I know specifically. It's just that he hasn't mentioned her. I'm not making this up. No, a bunch of the Steelers wives. Svette said like we want to meet her.

I guess she's not around. Oh, so like it's, yeah. I've been through that, though. I know what Aaron's talking about. You date somebody like, when are you going to bring her? I don't know. I don't know if you'd like her. A lot of pressure.

Meeting the friend. By the way, that's, that'll be a sequel to the hunting wives. Steelers' wives. I hope the same stuff happens. Have you seen hunting wives? I'm familiar with it. My wife watched it and she told me about it. No, I haven't actually laid out.

But I've heard how crazy it is. No, no, no, no. It's, like, it's wild. Like, I wouldn't let Mario watch it. He's too innocent. Too young and innocent. I would say he's, you know, he's what, 25? He's too young to see it.

That's how bad it is. but it's good, but in a bad way. Let's check that out next time we get a 13 to 6 game we're not interested in. Yeah. All right. So Aaron Rogers, likely to, did they say likely to play or just not having surgery? He said today he's going to give it a go. Going to give it a go.

Because it's the Bears. If it's not the Bears, it's going to go. And I want to hear you when we beat Ameren say, I want to hear you say we're breaking the street because we are this week. I believe in your Bears. I mean, they've been hot. They got a bad loss. That offense has been a lot of fun to watch. John said it earlier in the week.

That's my coach of the year. He just said you needed Navidia earnings. They just came out. Apparently, they were good. Yeah. Doesn't make sense that they could be good and it could go down. Nothing makes sense. That seriously could happen.

All right, what's next? One more news note out of the AFC North, the Cleveland Browns announced that Shadur Sanders will start on Sunday versus the Raiders. He was four of 16 for 47 yards and an interception in his debut game. last week. And during the game, his house was broken into in which he lost over $200,000 in things. But Shadur Sanders will start on Sunday. This whole, I mean, what do you do about people breaking in your house when you're plate? It's crazy that they've targeted athletes, knowing they're busy. But I mean, I can see why they do. Yeah, I mean, they're on my TV. I know

they're not home. I know you're not home. You were currently in Las Vegas. You know, my mom used to always do that. She still doesn't. Like, my mom doesn't want me to say on the radio when she and Larry go somewhere. She'll be like, we're going to, we're going to see the gathers sing, you know, the gathers. They're like a gospel. We're going to go see the gathers in Asheville. Don't say that on the radio. And to be fair, there goes my content for the day now.

That's a topic that I'm going to lead a lot of shows with. My mom went to see the gathers. Let's rank their songs. Under his feet. That's the McCamies. Anyway, but she's always worried that people are going to break into the house because they know she's gone. And I've always found that to be ridiculous, but that's now happening in the NFL. Yeah.

I mean, what can you do about it? I mean, you just have to pay more for security, but you shouldn't have to amp your security up just because you're going to do your job. Yeah. You would think, do you think, I mean, could the league do? I mean, I guess there's a king guard every single player's house. Yeah, I guess they're just going to have to. So what do you think about the Shador truthers? So there are people out there who are saying Shador, they didn't let him.

Well, first of all, start with this. Stefansky said they gave him no first team reps going into the week, and he was the backup. Is that weird? I mean, maybe you should have, but no, I don't think it's that weird. That's a little weird, though. Like, I heard somebody on television say that most teams give the second string guy at least a few reps. Is it weird? They didn't give Shador any?

I just feel like they've never believed in from the beginning. Like they weren't giving him a chance. Okay, now you're sounding like a truther. Because there are people who are saying that the Browns do not want him to succeed. No, no. I'm saying they haven't given him a chance because they know he's not good. I'm not saying he's been held back and he deserves better. I think they got him in camp and we're like, oh, boy, this is way behind and just

haven't felt the need to push him up the Jepzar to give him more chances. I'm not the truthers that are like, oh, he's great, but they're holding him back. I just think they know what they have and don't have any confidence in him. One more thing about Sanders. His quote about his house was interesting. He said, too many people are texting me. Are you okay? Yes, I'm fine.

I didn't get robbed. My house did. I mean, that's just he. I think he's just trying to make sure everybody's all right. Right. I mean, that's a natural inclination, though, for people that if they hear something, are you okay? Yeah.

Right. So I don't find that. I would say technically he did. Do you think he will play? Who they play this week? They played the Raiders. So this is a good chance for him. It's also the team he kind of thought he was going to early in the draft

process. I did hear somebody say he'll want to beat them because they passed over him. But isn't that true of every team? I think he was passed over five times. Early in the process when he thought he might be in that top tier, the Giants and Raiders were two teams. He seemed to really be interested in going to, and then we know how that played out.

So go on record. Good game for Shador, bad game for Shador coming. I'm not a Shador hater. I wish him the best. It's a bad game incoming. Sorry. I'd love to be surprised. Well, then I'm going to take the, I'm going to be a truther.

Okay. I'm going to say Stafansky, he has no choice but to give him first team reps. I will say if they give all the reps to the second team guy this week. That would be a bad sign. I think he goes someplace all right. I think he's getting the perfect team for it. They do stink. They stink.

It'll be a late game, probably a Chris Myers or, you know, Adam Archeletta game. They were just on Monday night, short rest, Dak, lit them up. That's exactly right. I think he plays well. And then I think there are people who will say see he should be playing and they will be wrong. But I think he has a good game. Well, I would love to see him being a game. I don't want to come off as a hater.

I just don't have much faith in him. I'm not sure it's good for the Browns, though, for him to be good. They need to pick another quarterback probably. Andy would show if he really is good, why did you have him in the back of the room for most of the season? He's been perfectly fine. I mean, he's not doing anything great. It doesn't stink. He's just getting by like a rookie should.

So, well, we'll see. It is a shame, though, but clearly players like to mock him. I mean, every time they would stop him, they would do his little watch. His little watch. That's not going away. Like, that's not going to keep happening. What's next? Two pieces of news out of the NFC South.

First, Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Pennix is now out for the season. More Kirk cousins for your money. That's right. Get your money up, Kirk. He had a knee injury. He's going to require surgery. So Michael Pennix is out. Kirk Cousins starting against the Saints this week.

and the Carolina Panthers. A big week for Bryce Young, who had a career passing day, franchise record in passing yards. The Panthers are 6 and 0 when they win the coin toss this year and 0 and 5 when they lose the toss. Oh, that's interesting. Wait a minute. Okay, those are two. I don't know why you connected those. Yeah, you slid right into that fact.

You went from Michael Pennix's out for the year to a coin toss. NFC South. Okay, let's at least start with Pennix. It's bad news for the Falcons because, again, they have another situation where you need to figure out if that guy's good in his second year, and they're not going to know. So they're going to have to probably bring him back to start for the third year, and I don't know if they know if he's good or not, right? Yeah, and if he's out, you know, where they're like three and seven,

probably going to finish the bottom of division. You're going to be in a great spot for a good draft pick, most likely. But you've got a very high-paid quarterback that this uncertainty's still out on. So that does not work out well for the Falcons, who have kind of been really fraudulent this year. So the Panthers have won the coin toss, and they're 6 and 0 when they win, and 0 when they don't. Yes. What a fascinating statistic. What do you make of that?

Anything? Yeah. It can't be. I mean, the odds of it being random are way too high. So what is it? I don't know, but I'm going to be watching their game, and if they win the toss, I'm live betting immediately on them for them to win. Has anyone ever studied whether or not deferring and going to be? getting the ball in the second half, how much of a statistical advantage is that?

Because I am of the argument that it has to be a statistical advantage that's at least somewhat significant because you are going to at worst get the same amount of possessions. And at best, you're going to get one more possession. So I've always believed that getting the ball in the second half is an advantage. But has it ever been studied? I don't know the number I would think. there's got to be something out there because that's been a talking point forever. And see if it has been studied.

Because I tend to think, because the thing about it, if you play out in the first half, team gets first ball, if it comes out that they end up with one more possession, then that'll be made up in the second half. But if they end up with equal possessions, then in the second half, the team is going to get one more possession.

Yep. And then you also have the chance to double up, right? You got that chance, which there's always a momentum. And how many times we see a team down 10 or something, get a little score right for the half and you're getting the ball right back? The only time, you know, if you got a high-powered offense and you know it's going to be a shootout and you just want to go in and make a statement right away, you might consider it, but now you should always defer and plays off. Now, what do you think teams should do in overtime now with the new rules? Because it's always been the case that you would take the ball in overtime.

But now that you're guaranteed a possession, in college, you always want to go second. Do you want to go second in the NFL? There is the 10-minute clock. That's a variable, which is the first team could use up most of the clock. And a lot of times they are. If they're able, they start slowing it down. So if you're a coach, what are you doing there? In the NFL, give me the ball.

And as we've seen just a couple weeks ago, even if I'm fourth down on the goal line, I'm trying to punch in a touchdown because then they have to go 90 somewhere I am. They have to go the length of the field on short time. But then they can go for two on you, the other team. So if you go first, you're opening up the possibility that they go for two and just try to beat you and that you can't answer. I'm just trying to get that first strike. And like you said, and teams are doing this. Once you get in range, you're milking that clock as best you can.

Yeah. I don't like the 10-minute clock, I have to tell you. I think they should go to 15. It feels too short. I think if you went to 15, then you don't worry about the milk in the clock. And then I think teams would always take the ball second, probably. Yeah. We've had a couple ties this year where the team just needed a few more minutes to be able to respond.

There's also a field position issue with going second because you could get pinned on like the one. That's right. What were the teams just recently? They had a fourth down. They could have easily kicked the field goal, but they went for it because that was their logic. Like, okay, you're going to have to go 99 yards if you stop me and there's only a couple minutes left in this game. Have you found anything on this? No, but I did find an interesting stat that prior to 2008, 99% of teams would select receive.

So the strategy has drastically changed since then. prior to 98 2009 99% and then what's the number now? I don't have that still. Well, what if it's still 99? That wouldn't be very good statistic.

But I mean, obviously it's not because most teams defer. Hmm. Interesting. That is interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that high. I wouldn't have either. So you're just saying like somebody in 2008 figured it out

and everybody was like, why didn't we wring a lot? So like an email that went out to everyone? Oh, what? What? You should do fur. Well, that's crazy. Which coach was that? I try to learn all your accents.

That sounded like Mike McCarthy. It was Mike McCarthy. He was like, oh, whoa. No, that's Tim Allen. Similar sound. All right. Well, maybe somebody can send us a message about the statistics. I have to think there's some advantage to deferring at this point.

New York Giants running back, Cam Scadaboo, is under some criticism recently. He is obviously out for the season with a severe ankle injury, but he was spotted at Monday Night Raw, recovering from a major, excuse me, he was at Monday Night Raw, and he was doing a scripted bit where he was pushing around one of the wrestlers. Do not say wrestling is scripted. That's the kind of thing that'll get you smacked across the face by a wrestler. It is not scripted, all right? He was with a comedian. doing a bit.

He was a fan of the wrestling. He got caught up in the moment. And he got caught up in the moment. And yeah, they didn't arrest him like they would most fans who entered the fray. But nevertheless, keep going. He became a part of the spectacle. There we go. I like that.

That's a better way to put it. He said afterwards, if you don't like that, I'm having a good time while I'm dealing with a tough time, then just go ahead and unfollow and casually move on. He wants me to casually move on. Well, I'm going to move on, but not casually. All right, two thoughts about this. He was with, you said a comedian. He was with Andrew Schultz.

When did that guy, how did that guy get famous? Andrew Schultz was not someone that was in my life until about two years ago. And now I see him all the time and his podcast is huge. How did he get famous? I'm with you. I know he's famous. He like sells out the garden for his show, which is pretty hard to do for comedians. When did he get famous?

I don't know what flipped it for him. I know he has the podcast. It's called like raw face or something. But I don't know. And he just looks to have like he looks like he just picked a bunch of stoner's off the street in New York and they sit with him. But what made, how did his podcast become a thing? It seems like something you would know, Billy.

Do you listen to him? I feel like you. It feels like to me this would be someone you follow. Really just clips. But I mean, you see a lot of stand-up comedians doing the podcast game. Yeah, but he though, like almost everyone else that's big, I think they had a career before the podcast. I don't know what he did.

Was he on a show? Numerous MTV and MTV2 shows. Oh, if he's on MTV 2. Including Guy Code. Never heard of it. Guy court. Big on the guy. Thanks.

Girl code. There's no way. This is his start. He was on guy code and girl code. Guy code, guy court, and girl code. And jobs that don't suck. I've never heard of any other. singled out.

What's the young man? No, I don't see it. Chris Hardwick, was that guy's name? What's the name of his podcast? It's like Rough Edge or something? The Brilliant Idiots. I don't think that's what it's called. With fellow MTV personality, Charlemagne the God.

No, I mean, I've seen him with him, but that's not the name of his show. Shultz also hosts Flagrant. Flagrant. That's the name of it, Flagrant. And he had Trump on during the election. Well, anyway, point is, he's there. Was there an explanation of why he unscadabot or hanging out. No, it's all part of this new

boys club that just seems to go to UFC in wrestling. That's true. They do all that. And Theo Vaughn is always at one of them. The manosphere, of which Billy wishes he would be invited, but they don't let him because of his shoes. Scataboo's, he's on quite the tour since getting injured. I will say, I don't. Do you think this was wrong of him to do? Normally I would say no, but when watching it, my brain was going, don't you have a bum ankle? Yeah. Because did they

wrap it? We couldn't see it behind the thing. Normally I would not care. I'm with you. Normally I would say, let the man live. He doesn't have to just sit at home and crochet. But he gets pushed and falls backwards. Yeah, if he plants on that and furthers the injury, what do the Giants have to say about that?

And if he has a bum ankle, he's standing up. So I kind of, if I was a Giants fan or a Giants person, I might be a little frustrated by it. He went to UFC at the Garden and almost looks like he was in coffee. He was having a good time. Whatever. He stayed in his seat. But the shoving...

He had on the... You know, the glasses that are cool now that we can never pull off and his hair slick back. He was doing that whole thing. I don't even know how I described that. Look, you know the glass. The big, like triangle sunglasses. He's wearing him indoors. Like Elton John?

He looked exactly like Elton John. Okay. That's fine. But, I mean, when they got to shoving, my brain was like, where is your ankle right now? Is someone looking out for if you have to, you know, fall backwards? The shoving surprised me. So I actually think that... that's legitimate for people to say he shouldn't have done this.

Do you, Billy? Yes. Yeah. He does it. I mean, he needs to be arrested out there. He needs to be arrested. Okay, that feels a little strong. No, resting.

Not arrested. I thought you said arrested, too. Abdul Carter should be arrested. I would just go on record to say he should not be arrested for it. Did you see his teammate, Abdul Carter, the rookie, that I'm one of with the Titans? He shoved one of the wrestlers. And I think the wrestler landed. 100 yards away.

It was a dominant mystery. No, it was Finn Baller. And he literally, I think, flew up in the air and went, yeah. I don't know if he was selling that or if Carter really just threw him across the room. Finn Ballard drew a bad straw in that because he's the littlest guy. And he got Abdul Carter. Give me Andrew Schultz. When we're dividing who we're going to fight, I'm going to take Andrew Santino, not, not Abdul Carter.

So where does Skadoo pop up next? He's doing all kinds of side missions He's done WWE Cockfighting Do they have that up there? Was he at the Champions Classic last night No, slap fighting? Oh, he looks like the type that would go to the slap fighting.

What if he entered? I wouldn't want to get slapped by him. You know, so people who don't know from other places I'm part owner of a wrestling company. We have a woman who does the slap fighting. She says it takes a lot of practice. It's weird when they just Like, there's out cold

Like, yeah I'm just gonna get up here and let you knock me out I don't want to watch it I'll watch her Because I'm pulling for her You may remember Haley J from from wrestlers on Netflix But I don't like it

It doesn't really appeal to me But I guess You could see Scadabo doing it right Oh yeah I really If we were setting odds I think that's where he pops up next Or he might be appointed director of the FBI

I just hope he doesn't get arrested now. Just say, what's next? Yeah, let's keep it rolling with the bills. Josh Allen had a heck of a game that we were at. He had six touchdowns, including three on the ground. That makes 75 career rushing touchdowns for Josh Allen. And with one more rushing touchdown, he will break the all-time record for the most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in their career. Cam Newton is currently tied with him at 75.

He's not, he's going to obliterate that record, right? Like he's not only going to break it. I mean, he's going to set it where, like, nobody ever gets it, right? It can be hard to touch. I mean, how many do you think if he's got, what, 75 now? Now, presumably he'll get less as he gets older because he won't want to run it quite as much. But how many think he ends up with? 125, 140?

I mean, he's getting at least 10 a season. I think he's got 10 right now with a lot of football left. How old is he? He's like 28. Yeah, he's pretty young. 29? As we saw just being there Sunday when he had three. I mean, he just, when they get down.

in the red zone. He can just get in so easy. At three rushing touchdowns in that game. Do you think these guys like him and Mahomes and Lamar are they going to age like, I mean, Brady was unique, but even like a Matthew Stafford who's able to play very effectively to 37, 30, or

do you not think those guys will be able to do it? I mean, this is what future, we have this idea of quarterbacks can now play to be really old, but can quarterbacks like that? I would lean no, but you mentioning Stafford, going to this season, people question if Stafford still had it in. They're bringing up his back. He had a couple of them.

But he doesn't run. I'm talking about guys who run and take hits like those guys do. Yeah, I mean, I guess Alan's so big. I guess he is taking hits, even though sometimes it looks like he's the one doing hitting of the group. Lamar, especially recently, he would be a little more injured prone and he's taking more of hits than Mahomes and Allen. Mahomes clearly wants to take no hits. Mahomes will slide. Allen will run through you.

Yeah, Alan's got to start. he'll have to stop doing that. They also protect quarterbacks differently now, roughing the passers a lot different. And despite them being running quarterbacks at times, you know, they are more protected on passing plays. They are.

No, they are. But even just not just like getting hit, part of the skill that you have to be able to run like that is going to diminish as you age. The skill of throwing a ball, presumably you keep longer than the skill of being able to run and out maneuver a linebacker, right? Yeah, especially the Lamar type,

where he's a little more quickness and elusive than the other two. But even, I mean, even Josh Allen, I mean, how many guys 35 do you see out maneuvering a linebacker that's 25? Probably not a lot. Not many. Still, though, I think he'll end up with like, if he's got 75 now, just if you had to guess. I'm going to say 125. Yeah, I'm thinking like 15 a season, you know. But for how many years?

I'll say he's got five more years at 15 a season. Then we might start turning down. So add 75 more. CV 150. What about you? I would take the over on 125. So 140. All right.

Good deal. What's next? Oh, by the way, it's Bills at Texans Thursday night. C.J. Stroud ruled out Davis Mills. 2 and 0 Davis Mills. I'm worried about my bills running to Davis Mills. Third best Stanford quarterback, not named Jim Plunkett. Are we still saying third?

At some point, number two. He can play his way into it. You got him beating luck? Luck's our one. Is it Luck Plunkett or Plunkett? Who was our three that we included? Plunkett. Okay.

So was Elway, but we kicked Luck out? No, I had Lway Luck Plunkett. Okay. But we kicked Plunkett out for Mills. Okay. Are you ready to kick Luck out for Mills? He's pushing for number two. Sorry, I forgot our original three.

There's just so many Stanford quarterbacks. But it's hard to argue. One, two games since we played this game with Davis Mills. Yeah, that's our Thursday night game. I'm picking the Texans to win. I think Bill's had a tough game. They're flying Thursday nights, better for home teams. I'm going to take the Texans.

What about you? I did get a picture from the airport in Houston this morning, and there were Bill's fans everywhere. A friend down in Texas is like, are you any of these people? Couldn't make it, but it looks like Mafia is going to show up. Do we know if Ted Cruz is coming? I don't know. If he is, I got the Bill.

I'm rolling with the bills. He's got like a crazy curse record. I mean, have you seen his record? No, is he like Drake? Oh, it's worse. it's like insane. Every time he shows up, the team loses. So even if you liked him, if you knew there was a celebrity,

I'd say stay away. Kind of like meal mix. Like, get out of here. Yeah. No, people should ask you. Yes. No, for sure. I mean, if I knew the president was my fan and he was causing me to lose,

I would say stay away, sir. I think every time I've gone to a Titans playoff game, it's the one they lost. So maybe I'm that for the Titans. You and Kenny Chesney are the jinxins for the Titans. Who do you have in this one? The Bills. I think they get it done. I see a tweet where the Astros are 0 and 5 and home playoff games attended by 10 crews.

Yeah, and then I think there was another one. Houston basketball, I think when they were number one, their first loss was and he was there. So, yeah, I would tell him not to come. Yeah, and he actually should feel that. Like at some point you have to be self-aware that I just keep, maybe it's me. I keep walking into the stadium and then they lose. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's an issue. A quick look at the playoff picture after the Chiefs lofts to the Broncos last week.

They are now five and five and on the outside looking win, which is interesting because the Chiefs have won nine straight AFC West titles. That is the second longest streak ever. The first longest streak is the New England Patriots from 2009 to 2019. That's 11 straight years of winning their division. Well, they're not winning their division. I think they're going to make the playoffs. But they're not winning the division. Wouldn't you agree?

No, they're not winning the division. I mean, right now they're in ninth place. So here's the question. Buffalo is the five seed. Right now, Kansas City is ninth, Baltimore's 10th. In between Buffalo and Kansas City and Baltimore are the Chargers, Jacksonville, Houston, then there's Pittsburgh at six and four. It is hard to imagine a playoff without both Buffalo, Kansas City, and Baltimore.

So Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, or Pittsburgh Chargers, Jacksonville, of those six teams, what, three are getting in? Getting it, I'm starting to put the Chiefs on the out and Baltimore in. I think it's crazy to say the Chiefs could not be in the playoffs, but I think we might be heading that direction. Pittsburgh's ahead in the division. So for Baltimore to win, they need to take out Pittsburgh. So chances are it'll either be Baltimore or Pittsburgh. So it's basically Chargers, Jacksonville, Houston, or Kansas City and Buffalo. So three of those five will make it.

Which three? Chief's got an easy schedule if you look at. They play the Colts this week, but then it gets really easy the last few weeks. They play like your Titans. They play a lot of bad teams at home. So they got a tough game this week, but then it starts to get a little easier. I'm leaning both AFC South teams, which sounds crazy. You're leaning Jacksonville and Houston?

Yeah. Chargers looked really bad last week against Jacksonville. Chargers are falling rapidly. I'm going to say Buffalo makes it. Kansas City makes it. And then, you know, let's look at Jacksonville's schedule. Jacksonville plays Cardinals, Titans, Colts, Jets, Broncos, Colts, Titans. It's tough at the end, but I know they have two against.

the Titans. Those were automatic wins. They have two against the Titans and the Jets. So that's three wins. You feel pretty good about them getting. That gets them to nine. That's why I was considering them because the schedule that's left. I didn't know they had the Broncos in a couple tough games in there, but I knew they had a couple more against the Titans. They got the Colts twice, though. That's tough.

I'm going to say Jacksonville makes it. So I'm going to say Kansas City and Jacksonville and Buffalo are the three that make it. Now, in the NFC, the Bears are seven and three. the division leaders are Philly Rams, Bears, Tampa Bay. The wild card, Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco. Right now, Detroit would be out. And then there's Carolina. Do the Bears hold off Green Bay in Detroit and win the division?

They're currently up a half a game. I got Detroit out. Out of the playoffs. Might even pick them in the Super Bowl before the year started. All right, so here's who they play. I think your Bears and Packers both get in. They play the giants, the Packers, the Cowboys, the Rams, the Steelers, the Vikings, and the Bears. They have a hard schedule.

The Lions team is. Is that Bears the last game of the year? It is. That could be for a playoffs. That's my pick. That's to get in. Green Bay plays Vikings, Lions, Bears, Broncos, Packers, Ravens, Packers. That's pretty tough.

They've got hard. And then you look at the Bears, they go Steelers, Eagles, Packers, Browns, Packers, 40. Niners lines. The Bears have a hard one too. All those teams from the NFC North have a hard schedule. And depending what you think of the Steelers, bears might have an advantage if it's Mason Rudolph instead of Aaron Rogers and Rogers

comes back playing well. And the 49ers on the other hand have Panthers, Browns, Titans, but then they finish Colts, Bears, Seahawks. They have a tough three. But they get the Titans and the Browns. It's just so weird to be week 12 and we're debating will the Lions,

Bill's Chiefs, Ravens, be in the playoffs. Who would have had that move to start the year? Yeah. The Panther schedule is tough too down the stretch. So really any of those teams can make it. All of them kind of have hard schedules. You're going to have to earn it in order to

get in. The one seed you like Philadelphia or the Rams to get it. Give me the Rams. Philly. I'm going to go Philly. And then Denver, New England and the Colts are all tied. Yeah. Philly I'm trying to play out their schedule.

New England schedule is Bingles, Giants, Bills, Ravens, Jets, dolphins. I said Philly because they still have two games against the commanders, think they have another against Dallas, the Raiders. They have a pretty easy schedule. They've played their

toughest games already. I think New England's going to be the one seat, and I don't even think they're good. I don't. I don't think they're good. They have had the easiest schedule. They're the New England Patsies when it comes to their schedule. They beat the bills.

Is it because you think Drake May is Daniel Jones? No, I just don't think they've played. I mean, who have they beaten? Okay, you mentioned they did win that game at the bills. The Bucs. At the Bucs and at the Bills. But then their other wins are. The other wins have been bad.

Jets, Falcons, Browns, Titans, Saints, Panthers, they lost to the Steelers and Dolphins. Yeah, those aren't strong outside of the Bills So they beat the bills and bucks. But the bills have a chance to beat them back. So really it's just your stinking bucks who ended up screwing it up, right? Yeah, and the bucks have their own issues. The Panthers are only half a game back too.

All right. What's next? Yeah, this is the final news note that I have. The Saints are expected to play a game in Paris as early as 2006. It'll be the eighth international market for the NFL. Are they picking that because of the sort of French? I think so. Makes sense?

Jumapel, New Orleans. Florida Lee. Yeah, the Florida Lee. That's exactly right. I think I saw they were going to have special French uniforms. Oh, nice. I think that, which means the players are going to have to wear berets. That would be great.

Instead of a guardian helmet, caps, just put a big beret on top of their helmet. And they're going to all have like an easel that they paint off of when they run their plays. In 20, what year? It's as possibly as early as next year, but it has not been announced yet, expecting an announcement in the coming weeks. They do not care about football in Paris at all. I mean, some of those, we talked about it, some of these European spots, like in Germany and England, there are football fans.

In Paris, there are not. They've tried to put the European League teams in Paris, and they just can't anybody to care. I don't know that having the Saints will matter, but maybe people in New Orleans who feel like a French connection, they'll want to come. I get the French connection, but when we're going into these new countries to grow the game,

sometimes I am like, why are we sending these teams? We should be sending our. best to show off the product. Yeah. Not Tyler Shuck. I don't like, I'm a controversy.

I don't like Paris. You know, I like Europe. I'm not one of these people. Oh, why are you leaving this country? It's a country in the world. Like,

I mean, I like going places. I don't like Paris. What was wrong with it? I like France, but Paris, first of all, so,

it's the most expensive city on earth. And people just hate you for being there. Like, no one in Paris wants you there. You're like, get out of here, all of you. And the food is foo-foo. So, like, it's not for me.

All they're doing is drinking coffee at all times. That's pretty good. The art is the only, the art is great. I do like going to Louvre and things like that. Is it not the city of love? Could you not feel it in the air? I mean, I guess I've never been on a romantic jaunt when I was there. Maybe that would make a difference.

I've been solo traveling usually. But I don't, it's, it's a, Of the major cities, it's my least favorite. Well, we're heading there. We're growing the game. You say it's eight now? Eighth. That'll be the eighth.

International market. They're also expecting Australia to be added that list. Yeah, we talked about that. Well, I mean, if they want to send us, I'll go. We have a flower miles up. I'll get my password. They do have good, like, tart. Tart?

Just tart? Yeah, like French bread and tart and, what do you call them? with the fruit, you know, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, Billy, you know fruit trays, veggie trays? No, like when you have pastry and it has fruit in it. It's like strudel. Okay. That's German, actually.

Never mind. But anyway. Pop-Tart. Maybe a French. They're very fancy. Browns or something. That's right. All right.

So let's do our picks. It is time for the Liberty Mutual bundle. This is where we pick three games. is our three picks, you know, Liberty, the Liberty Mutual Victory bundle. So pick our three for victories. I'm sitting here looking at the schedule. We're going to go three. We're going to make it a little harder because we've been winning too much.

It's actually not true. But we're going to pick against the spread. I'm going to first, my first one, I'm going to take the Texans plus six tomorrow night. I mean, I think they're going to win the game. So you give me plus six, that's a, that's a Liberty Mutual. victory bundle if I've ever heard it. What about you? I'm tempted to take the Titans plus 13 and a half.

Stop, you don't want to do this. Plus such a huge spread in the NFL. You don't want to do that. But we almost beat Davis Mills. I mean, you can't. This is Liberty Mutual. 13 and a half points. Liberty Mutual. 13. I want you to imagine when we're going to talk to the

advertising director of Liberty Mutual and they're going to say to you like, you know, did you pick the Titans? That plus 13. Okay, I'll change. I have another one I like. It's your team. Bears, I'm a believer.

Okay. Quarterback uncertainty. I think it's two, two and a half. Three? Yep. Two and a half. Especially two and a half. If it's not at three yet, I'm locking it in now because that'll be higher on Sunday.

It's on two and a half. All right. So you're going to go Bears, Texas. And then for the third one, let's make sure we agree on it. Because I don't want to do you like. I have another I like. I'll see if you like. What is it?

Well, I keep. Bring up teams we know. Eagles are at the Cowboys. It's only three and a half. The Cowboys have no defense. It's sad how bad the Cowboys defenses. All right. So Eagles, three and a half, bears, two and a half, and then the Texans getting six.

That's going to be your Liberty Mutual Victory Bundle. Start your quote at Liberty Mutual.com. All right. Before we go, Billy, you need to try to keep your Survivor League thing going. you are now in week 12 and still in. Reading me off the teams you've used. Yeah, so we just you. We're out.

Me, yes, the Royal. We. The Jags, Cardinals, Bill's, Indy, Casey, New England, Houston, LAC. That is who I've picked so far. You've picked more than that. That's only like eight, right? Well, we haven't done every week. We only missed one week.

This is week 12. I think we missed three weeks. But I have an easy pick this week. weeks. All right, go ahead. It is the Seattle Seahawks on the road against the Tennessee Titans. Pretty easy one. All right. I think you, I mean, I think you're going to get that one. We have a sound strategy.

I've noticed you just keep doing the Titans. We did not miss three weeks. I know we missed at least two. We missed two and that was two the biggest upsets. I remember well because I was already out and you all would have been out if we had a done podcast. You've forgotten one. I would not have been out. Billy, you're just doing the Titans every week, aren't you? I'm on to you.

I am. That's how you wear these leagues is you pick losers. You don't pick winner. Well, they're a loser. All right. Now it's time to pick our touchdown score. Who went first last week? It's now tied. You got one and I didn't. So it's 4-4. Does Drew just have one? I'm still sitting on one. Well, I don't know how I did last week. I had Josh Jacobs that did not hit. Oh, he got hurt. Even worse. And Matt had Stefan Diggs that did not hit. So it is 4-4-1. 4-4-1. Can I go first here? Is it your turn to go first? I don't know. It's like I haven't gone first in months. I know I've second last week. He's behind.

Let's let him go first. Well, obviously, I'm going to take a receiver from the Seattle Seahawks. I guess I haven't even done JSA yet this year. So I'll just take him. So you're going to take Jackson Smith and Jigma. Yep. I love you, Titans. All right.

I mean, that's a good pick. I'm going to go. So I guess I'll go next. No, Billy, actually, you're next. Go ahead. I want to go quarterback, and I have not picked Josh Allen yet. I think he breaks the NFL record. against the Houston Texans Thursday night.

Okay, I'll take that one. So you've taken a wide receiver. You've taken... You got a running back. So I've got to take a running back. I'm going to take Derek Henry. Playing against the Jets, 13 and a half point favorite.

I feel like he runs one in. This is the week where we're all hitting. Think so? I like all three of those picks. Josh Allen, Derek Henry, and Jackson Smith and Jigba. That would be your NFL cover zero. touchdown parley.

Love it. Well, guys, I think we did it again. We did a wonderful show. I think we hit all the right notes. I just can't believe. I felt it, too. We hit all the right notes. You think there were notes we didn't hit?

I like our predictions. I had a B major. You did a great impersonation of, I think it was Mike McCarthy. Still haven't confirmed that, but it was good. You won't move to firm? You picked against the bills, though. I thought this was a Bills podcast now. Drew's getting too excited about it.

I loved it, but we need to slow down. Plus, I bought three pieces of paraphernalia. That's too many. I'm already like, okay, I don't. Peripanilla. I think they're a merchandise. Apparel. No, paraphernalia.

Okay. You don't think that's a word? No, I know it's a word. You know what you said, let's all go to the game and get some paraphernalia. Well, just because you all don't know complicated words. I mean, it fits. I've got some clubs. No, I got some bills paraphernalia.

He doesn't say a lot that's intelligent. All right, well, thank you all very much. We will see you Sunday. What's the Sunday night game? Are we going to, is going to be more? Are we going to talk about it? Sunday night is Bucks Rams. Yeah, we got to.

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