Kump - 141 - Ballers and Tyrants

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

Ray and Lucie make their Oscar picks, discuss Ja Morant, and unveil their dictator tier list. Sign up at https://www.patreon.com/RayKump for an extra episode every week! Follow Kump on Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/raykump Kump Hand Merch https://bonfire.com/store/kump/ Follow Ray on Sound Cloud https://on.soundcloud.com/QbP8

Today on Kump, we're making our Oscar picks, talking John Morant, and ranking history's worst dictators. Stay tuned. Hello and welcome to Kump. hello lucy how are you i'm i'm all right how are you pretty good just pretty good we have the oscars coming up in less than a week are you ready i am i am as ready as i'll ever be i got a lot of opinions uh as soon as i see who's nominated i'm going to figure out what those opinions are uh what what what what is ant man gonna be no right That was too late, right?

It missed the mark. Otherwise, it would have been, right? The Ant Man and the Quantummania Wasp? The one with the, with, with the Kang. Yeah. Yeah. With King. King.

King. That really is named? No, it's King the Conqueror. I've actually read a few comic books. I'm trying to, I'm trying to be too cool for the room here. Have you read comic books with Kang and them? Yeah. I thought he's more of a robot, but whatever.

I mean, I could have been misreading it. He's from the future. He's like, he seems to be kind of a genius. I guess it were. I mean, this guy's doing fine. I don't care. I mean, I'll give him the Academy Award because, I mean, you know, basically a paper right nowadays.

What's the difference? What was your favorite movie that you can remember seeing? Oh, geez. Don't look at the list yet. We're going to do that in a second. That I can remember seeing? Yes. That makes it so much harder.

I'll pick one. I like the menu a lot. The menu was amazing. It was Ray Fines and he's just committing murder in a kitchen and it was a lot of fun. It's tight as, I forget her name, but the Asian woman is in it is funny. Yeah. Like there's, that was a very tight script in a well-made movie. I think the title was horrendous though.

The menu? I think they should have called it murder kitchen murder murder menu menu of murder give me give me some check please should call a check please that's a great title I think that I think that title would have been too pithy for what it was I love pithy I want everything I do to be pitty I'm a pitty boy yeah we we don't have to that was oh all quiet on the western front All right, so let's take a look at this list here. Wait, well, you saw it. Did you think all quiet on the Western? Well, you looked at the list.

No, no, but I saw it. I know. I shouldn't have, I shouldn't have revealed that you looked at the list. I just could tell. I glanced at the list. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to see it. I was trying to reflect.

I saw that all is quiet on the Western Front. It wasn't very quiet. It was a lot of, you know, just people whining about war. Oh, I'm hungry. Let's steal a goose. Oh, my friends. died what what how about how I take five take five from the from the from the one whinging you know it's supposed to be the quiet Western front not the all is all

is a millennial on the Western front you know it's it felt like watching a bunch of TikTokers go to war I'm sorry my disgracing World War one well look it was a very difficult war to fight and a lot of a lot of young men met their end too soon over a war that could have been prevented name the villain of world war one it makes it we're going to be talking about the world's worst dictators and we're essentially you know it's a villain list or any of them from world war one no they are they're not no i mean some of them some of them made their bones in world war one i guess they got injured and then and started and started their like a pamphletier business world war one was one of those things where

It's kind of everybody's fault. Yeah. Everybody was a little bit to blame. That's why the movies blah. It's bleh. Oh, it's like, we're sending young people to war. That's it. Yeah, they're young.

The whole montage of people, little kids, like little kids, I mean, they're not five year olds. They're like 16. No, but they're bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and they want to go to war so they can be men and have sex with French women. Yeah, well, in Vietnam, that's the thing. Vietnam is safe.

because those guys didn't want to go to the war yeah that was that was pretty sad they were like no this seems this seems like a real problem let's get let's not do this uh and we still made them go and that's why i you know uh i'll give the oscar to ronnie covacs uh aka tom cruise and born the fourth of july posthumously or whatever not he's not dead but you know but i'm not giving anything to this It's self-indulgent Oscar baby Let's look at the list Let's take a look at what they got for us What we got here?

We got actor in a leading role Austin Butler and Elvis So that's the guy who played Elvis Yeah, no, I don't agree with that No That guy seems I just don't think I get that he kind of looks like Elvis

But I don't think he was a good I don't think he was a good selection for Elvis I didn't see the movie but I don't think he was good. I mean, you know who else looks just like Elvis? That guy from Full House. Which guy?

Uncle Jesse. Yeah, Uncle Jesse should have played him. What was his name? John Stamos. John Stamos. That guy is obsessed with Elvis. That guy got onto a network sitcom and every episode was him just talking about Elvis.

So like, you know he was a problem on set. That wasn't part of the script. He just wouldn't show about Elvis. And for years, where they give him for his years of Elvis talk nothing don't tell me it was too old either they could have de-aged him he looks like he's 19 he's a he's a Greek god's I hope he's not

those next offender or anything he's cool right I think so good Colin Farrell in the banshees of in his shearing he was very good he was great well Colin Farrell gets a lot of crap because uh or does he i mean people don't seem to hate him but they don't seem to love him either i like him well he didn't always get you know he didn't always have that much opportunity to show his acting traps like in phone booth yeah like in phone booth even though i loved phone booth when i was i didn't see phone booth is there a scene where he's screaming at someone i'm in a phone booth you understand i'm in a phone booth that's kind of what it feels like okay good well in that case

I mean, maybe. Brendan Fraser, the whale. Yeah, I mean. This is where he plays the very fat guy, right? Yeah. I didn't see it. I was watching, I actually saw in the cab home, I saw an annoying interview with him and, well, what's her name?

The American Idol, the first American Idol winner. Katie Perry. No? No. I don't know. Adele. The one that has a, anyway, the one that has a, talk morning talk show now kelly ripper

kelly clarkson okay and uh she does this fake i'm so tired i honestly i'm already tired of brendan fraser's like like fake humility yeah i'm so sick of him that guy that guy is just like he's on the verge of maybe making a comeback as you getting like blacklisted for who god knows what uh like 20 years ago and he's just he's just i'm just very happy he let me play this very fat man this grotesque man no he's not going to say he's a beautiful it's a beautiful story um he just keeps putting himself down for other people in the movie is like really makeup artist who really did the job it's like just you know he's like thinking he's thinking everybody in these interviews and just going

oh shucks he's either he's either such a genuinely sensitive guy that he's going to like kill himself in a week right or or he's totally full of shit and i think it's the latter i think he's just happy he doesn't have to sell his house in the in the hollywood hills or wherever i think he has money from what with honors 25 years ago with Joe Pesci maybe I don't know I mean the Dune Patrol on HBO Max I'm sure that paid him something but you know this guy is used to live in large this guy was an Encino man with Pauly Shore this guy was in a few good men no school ties you know when you're in school time Georgia the jungle Georgia the jungle was a huge hit that's true in the month that was an era where

something like georgia the jungle did really well that's just fake-ass tarzan you know i'm not saying it that i'm not saying it's high quality if that production had any money they were of license tarzan we've been the same script anyway they got george of the jungle they probably paid him like 200 grand that was a time that was a money-making time when even the rip-offs could do well fair enough and he was in those mummy movies which i never saw either but whatever he's he's happy i'm happy to have to sell his blood anymore uh all mescal and what i can't read this Oh, jeez. After Son?

I never heard of this. What does that say? Afterson. Afterson. What is After Son? I guess I'll never know. A-24 movie. Oh, okay.

Bill Nye. Is that the science guy? Bill Nye. Oh. I thought it was going to be Bill Nye for, is Bill Nye a climate denier? I forget. The science guy.

No. He's a climate change supporter. Oh, well, less interesting. There would be a much of a more interesting turnabout if he was like now a climate skeptic. Whatever. So that's, that's going to Colin Farrell, I think, right? Or Paul Mesque, because I've never heard of this movie. So that's very likely.

Is either Paul Mesque or they give us a Fraser. You should have called that movie fat shit, but not, but you think the movie, you think going in that you're calling him a fat shit. But it's just a movie about fat shit Like oh how do I get to the store How do I go to the movies How do I clean my ass? Fat shit You know

I'm sure it's fine Well yeah we'll watch it on Valentine's Day next year Actor in the supporting role Brendan Gleeson The Banshees of In this yearing This is a good film by the way I don't know if we've mentioned it for Colin Farrell But we like this movie

It's a weird movie from the guy who made in bruges uh it's about i don't even know what can you describe what's about like basically Colin feral just as dud of a guy and some irish island and then uh his friend Brendan Gleason stops talking to him and a whole bunch of hilarity ensues and also horror well yeah kind of horror but it's not it's not ghosts oh judd hirsch is it's nominated i like judge heard from taxi for the fableman's got a biographical that's the Spielberg thing right uh Barry Coogan the guy the banshees have been is he the creep from uh how to slaughter a deer or whatever that movie was called uh yeah yeah the killing of

sacred deer that was good yeah also had Colin Farrell key why guan now is this short round from uh from um the goony but he short round the goon usually be short round in uh temple do someone told me yeah yeah i think so so i hope that guy wins just i like that guy yeah that's him the kid was cool keeping the goonies everything everywhere all at once got a lot of yeah i didn't love that movie uh that's the movie about the uh laundromat lady who um does the matrix i mean this is what it is right yeah what everyone's telling me it's a matrix rip off and everyone's telling me this is like you know oh this is such an amazing uh it's we so used to superhero movies why does this any different you got big

portals you got people doing kung fu in in space and some girl some tic-tok girl is like is is a is a wizard right yeah well woman yeah that her daughter becomes an evil wizard because her mom calls her fat right she tells her brenn fraser she destroyed the universe because her mom calls her fat I mean, she's a choice of universe because the mom calls a fat. Brennan Fraser just keeps eating cookie dough or his character, at least, I don't know.

Was he, what's his name? Is his name actually the whale in that movie? I hope it is. I hope they just call him John, John Whale. I don't know. The thing that really turned me off about the idea of that movie was like, I'll still, I'll watch it at some point.

The fact of Aronowski hasn't made a good movie since Requiem? That, that too. I'm sorry, the wrestler was pretty good. I haven't seen the wrestler But yeah It's look I saw pie In the in the cinema art center In Huntington, in Long Island

I loved Aronofsky For a bit But these movies Black Swan come on I like Black Swan It's fine, it's ballet It's nonsense But the thing that really like

Turn me off about the idea That movie is that like One of the thing The first things I heard about it Was that he's a college professor Who like keeps his webcam off During Zoom classes or whatever because he's afraid of what the young people will say.

And I was like... What was he saying before the pandemic? Like... I was like, well, is this guy really... Look, I get it. Anyone, I guess, could have an issue with food or whatever, but like, it's... This is really not a skill you've developed.

You're really that afraid of college kids bullying you? Seriously. And also like, this is a movie that can be solved with a TikTok filter. Right. You know, just... I mean, there's people who just do entire... um personas online with tic-tok filters or whatever they call these things and they and they or just or just where you know wear a ascot so people don't see your your triple chin uh

john wail you know i mean also it's like so this is a guy who like basically after a year of the pandemic would he get that fat during the pandemic she the the backstory is that it's It's based on a play that was made before the pandemic, but like, but the premise is that he got that fat after his gay lover died, the gay lover who he left his family for. So he left his family for a gay love, that's got to be an awkward Thanksgiving. They think they invite him for Thanksgiving? But yeah, the whole conflict of the movie is that his daughter's mad at him. Yeah, like, they should, like, they invite him because it's like, all right, like, it's gay lover died. We should, you know, reach it.

We'll have him over to the big family Thanksgiving. But then, like, they get a little drunk, and they're like, so how's that gay lover you left me for? And, like, you know, it's just, it's not nice. Yeah. The man's in mourning. But, I mean, the woman's also wounded in their own way. Life is messy, John Whale.

You know, you're not, it's not only your story. But, like, the trailer just shows him being, like, people are so nice. It's like, it just, it's just a slumber of a movie. Do people on Grindr that nice to you? probably not are you know me or like people can't wonder if people can't help but care

it's just like the kinds of lines that like just a terrible Brooklyn playwright rights yeah no it's uh it's if what's his name barton think like was real and made a play yes and then got and then got super fat

yeah what is it playwright fat too wait no now I'm mixing fantasy now I'm mixing of fantasy and reality what is this an Aeronovsky movie Oh, boy. Shots fired. Let's go see Noah or watch it here.

Okay. I've never seen that. Yeah, I don't know if there's anywhere we can go see Noah at this point. Actress. Let's see. We got actress. Kate Blanchant for Tar. That's basically like Lady Whiplash, I think.

Woman rapist runs an orchestra. She's a rapist? She's some kind of predator. I thought she was just like J.K. Simmons, but like a woman. Like a whiplash. Yeah, basically. Okay. so when he does it he's like a hard ass she's a rapist she's a female rapist all right and the armouse uh blonde

it's a lot of people are mad at that movie why because that ends our marks is hot rather than them because they it has some kind of it really i guess it really fixates on maryland monroe as oh it's the monroe movie yeah doesn't show the pills uh getting shoved in her like a pet dispenser by the kennedy brothers Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm blanking out his name. The guy who made JFK. Stone. Oliver Stone should make a Marilyn Monroe movie. Sure.

It was just being, but he loves Kennedy. Oh, right. Don't forget your falling king who fell over Marilyn Monroe's body after he, like, she died while he was inside her. It would be a real power move, though, to make a movie about the JFK assassination, all conspiratorial, and then make a movie about Marilyn Monroe. JFK killed her I love it you'd be undeniable after that no Oliver Stone has to do it we can't do it well pitch it Oliver Stone yeah we're a son was weird son daddy can I stay

up a little longer no jasmine I'm sorry uh let's see we got Michelle uh we got Andrea Riceboro and two Leslie uh I know that is that movie about Leslie Jones dear Leslie Jones I don't know what the fuck I didn't like it was most of that much, Michelle Williams and the Fableman. This Fableman is supposed to be real nostalgic. Real kids with cameras, making

movies. It's supposed to be good Spielberg, which I don't think it exists anymore, but I'll check it out. We probably should have watched some of these, so we could have given our input. I'll lie and say I watched it. Should we watch all these? The Fableman stinks. I saw it.

Should we watch all of these? Before the Oscars? We can try, but you know, we're not really go-getters Michelle yo and everything so she's the main one from everything everywhere all at once she was fine like I thought she was good like people talk about her like she like

she was uh you know it was like some transformative experience whatever I didn't get it maybe I'm not supposed to maybe it's like a 3D one of those 3D paintings but not for me not for not for me and John Whale we can't see her eyelids are too fat Actress in the supporting role

We got Angela Bassett In Black Panther, Wakanda, Forever I did not see that She's good I like her Like Jamie Lee Curtis I like Jamie Lee Curtis And everything all at once

And I didn't like everyone at I'm saying I like Jamie Lee Curtis Didn't love her for this movie She's nominated in So whatever Hong Chow in the Whale Is that his ex-wife?

That's his nurse I think she plays. Okay. Carrie Condon in the bench she's been insuring. Oh, I think Han Chow is who is in the menu. Oh, she's good. She should win for the menu, but I'll give her to her for the whale. Are you right?

I hope so. Yeah, she is. Thank God. And Stephanie Sue for everything all at once. She's the daughter, I guess. I don't know. Wait. Okay, yeah.

We're not going to go through all of these. so those are the main two and then we got the directors we'll do directors and we'll do a best picture and then we'll get out of this miserable topic the banshees have been a shearing for directing everything everything all at once

the fableman Steven Spielberg I should list to their names Martin Meddunner Martin Meddunner sounds like he's like a like a mainstream country pop act doesn't sound like a real he's an Irish guy I think I don't want to make a fun of his name

Todd Field for tar The movie you accused Kate Blancher of being Sex Prior to 4 The Triangle of Sadness We saw that I hated that. Terrible. I thought that was a real dumb movie.

It thought it was smart, but it wasn't. Or maybe I'm not smart. No, no. No, it's dumb. Like, it's, that movie's dumb. People's standards for satire have gotten really low. Yeah, you know, satire is now was just mentioning tic-tok why i'm on tic-tok well this is really a tale of our time

this is network basically this is a modern-day network oh look at my followers on tic-tok our relationships not in where it needs to be fucking goddance fuck might be dog the afternoon um as for best picture we have all quiet on the western front snore fest i it would be a snor-fest If it wasn't so goddamn loud And I don't mean the bullets My friend got shot getting the goose Shouldn't steal the goose Yeah, that would steal people's geese

It's like I don't know what you're like If you're trying to make a movie about how like World War I Which World War all joking aside World War I is like one of the most like Crazy things you can imagine Just just like you know It's just Zeppelin's launching bombs That are just fire basically

it's trenches you're in a trench it's all it's a meat grinder of technology nobody was prepared for it was the technology hadn't caught up with each other so you have like these guns that could like shoot machine guns but like no one had changed our strategies to people getting you know it's a lawnmower of men you know it should call the movie that did you think they should have called the book that that lawnmower of yeah and then that and where it beat lawnmower man to the punch uh but then you have at the end I don't want to spoil alert but I mean a spoiler alert if you haven't seen all as quiet on the western front and you want to here's your spoiler alert in five four three two one the guy gets shot in the end for stealing a goose right before the war ends it's like how

what do you try to say there yeah I mean what are you trying to say about war the war is like the most and you show it pretty well I guess except for all the winging but But I mean, you have the trenches, you have the men on fire. You have the, you know, the Scooby-Doo aspect to it, whatever that is. Yeah. And then at the end, well, that. Well, so the main guy gets got in the final battle that they weren't supposed to have. Right.

And then, but his friend gets shot after they, they gleefully. Maybe the book sells it more than how hungry they were or something. But in the movie, it really looks like they're just gleefully. Go with a Burger King. stealing this this uh german farmer's goose they really thought they could just they really thought they could push that guy around yeah and he said no i'm a i'm i'm i'm basically john morant over here yeah we'll get to that in a second and they did too good of a job establishing or maybe maybe the the farmer actor did almost too good of a job because you just see the disgust in his eyes

yeah it's like i'm a poor friend you're stealing my geese you pieces of shit you invading pieces of shit and you're totally on his side you know how that movie should have ended if you wanted to peel bad they die in the battle that they got they rolled over by a tank something crazy you know a tank rolls over a trench and hit and this guy's skulls just inside the wheel something is like something just disgusting and blood's everywhere he's going i wish i was dancing he's confused losing a lot of blood i wish i was a dancing i wish i was a dancing maybe he wanted to be a dancer something like that not stealing a goose just ruin the whole thing anyway uh next movie let's see uh we have avatar the way of

water uh didn't see it i'm sure it's terrible uh i'm sure it looks like technically good but like also bad i'll stand by that uh the banshees have been a shearing good movie Elvis uh Bos Lerman Looks crazy shit Oh boss Lerman did it Yeah That means it's really crazy

Everything all at once That's probably gonna win I don't know why The Fablemans Spielberg So I don't like it Tar The Sex Offender movie

According to Lucy Top Gun Mavericks nominated Woo Give us the Top Gun Maverick That movie Like they didn't Didn't that movie save Hollywood? Didn't like Spielberg?

No, seriously, I think Spielberg like thank Tom Cruise for saving Hollywood. I heard that quote. Yeah, that should get it. Yeah. Triangle of sadness and women. How did the men you get nothing and triangle sadness got all this crap? And women talk. What is women talking?

Oh, I want to see women talking. It's about the- I see it every day. The women talking, it's about the ghost. I think they call them, this is going to sound weird, but I'm pretty sure what they called them was the ghost rapes that happened.

Everything with you and these ghosts and these. And it was in this Mennonite community. We're basically like in mass, like the women and girls in the community were like drugged and raped. By ghosts? By men from the community in the night. Oh, they weren't ghosts.

They weren't ghosts. But they wore like little sheets. Was it just a client? They didn't dress up as a ghost. Wait, wait, wait, was it the clan? And they were just like, I think it was ghost. And it was like, no, that's not what ghosts. That was a clan.

No, yeah, well, they didn't remember it at first. Oh. So it was like, it was this gradual realization about what was happening to them. Which is kind of like, which is kind of like getting raped by a ghost. This seems like women talking shouldn't be the title then. Doesn't seem like an appropriate title. Do what should, I let me, yes. Yeah.

Ghost ring. I mean, look, that is rape. No, I wouldn't call it that. That just sounds like Ghost Dad. It reminds you of Cosby. It sounds exploitive. Reminds you of Cosby. Well, ghost, he was in Ghost Dad.

Oh, he was in a movie called Ghost Dad? Oh, you never saw Ghost Dad? No. Oh, I doubt it holds up. I don't think I'd even enjoy you really saw it. But, yeah. I would not call it ghost. I would call it rape by a ghost.

Rape or, you know, well, something. I mean, well, give it, like, I mean, honestly, women talking you know what you're saying when you say women talking well i think it's supposed to be it sounds like it sounds like that song from that band that we got bands from us and l well i think it's supposed to be a bit of a women always yackety yackin fear i think fear yeah it's supposed to be the mouth don't stop it's supposed to play into that dialectic i think okay you either hear women talking and think oh maybe they're discussing something important or you hear women talking and you think that they should.

Fried Green Tomatoes? That they shouldn't be and that they should have their right to vote taken away. It just sounds like fried green tomatoes part two. What? I mean, I'm just like a bunch of women or the Yaya Pants sister hurt or whatever. I'm just saying I respect women enough

to not think it's novel that women talk. That's fair. Yeah, you'll see a movie called men talking. That's just every movie. Anyway, so that's our Oscar picks. Do we make any? yeah we did right what do you want for best picture women talking no i want top gun at the moment based on what i've seen i would like top gun maverick but maybe women talking if it's good

i if you ever watch it with me oh i said i would watch it with you do you want me to like go find a DVD of it and bring it to you no we have we have one um you what you okay we'll watch it You're not going to get me this way. She's always trying to cancel me. That's Lucy. We'll watch women talking tonight. Ooh. Yeah, see?

That's not true. We brought him up. I don't necessarily want to talk about this, but it's kind of that I have to because I wear this hat. This Memphis Grizzlies basketball boy hat. And I'm not, full disclosure, not a particular fan of the Memphis Grizzlies. I was putting an outfit together, which I rarely do. do you know i like the manoff i don't hate the members grizzlies but job you know but whatever i

wear this hat so john and that's john moran's team john moran is in trouble he's uh he has been caught at the club uh we'll bring this up uh with a gun we posted himself you know he'd be out of himself at on ig live i guess it is let's let's bring this up this is him dancing on the club he can't really see he said he's just kind of he just seems to be just he's singing all right yeah he's singing along to the rap he seems very happy he's holding up a little gun i don't know if they're i'll mute this because i don't know if they're gonna it could be a big guy i mean there aren't basketball players hands pretty big i think he's well look i mean he's he sure it could be bigger than it looks

this is him dance you see him dancing he's just having fun with his friends he's pumping i i didn't see video until today right uh and i heard he was like waving a gun around the club i thought it was like you know i thought he was a school shooter or something uh that looks pretty happy to me i mean you know call me crazy yeah he's kind of has like a silly like uh a silly look on his face look at it and look at this you know look at what we're looking at here look at this look at a little gun here he's owned it up like a kid's like first fish that they got right yeah he's very happy and people are acting like i mean he's been suspended indefinitely from the NBA people are acting like he is committed some kind of atrocity here uh i'll bring up this is a clip i saw

of jalen rose talking about it let's see how to change the dynamic Like, you guys have got a chance to see me grow up for public consumption since 1991. And I've been involved in drug raids. I've survived assassination attempts. I've been that undisciplined young person that was trying to figure out how to be famous, how to be successful, and how to change the dynamics. I want to make fun of Jalen Rose here. It sounds, I mean, I guess people try to assassinate him.

I don't know. I never heard that before, but I'm glad he made out of the assassination attempts. I'm not making light of it. Yeah. They're implying that he's like that John Morant, though, is just like, everyone's talking about how he's trying to act hood. He's not a hood. I saw some British, I think the Guardian or some of the British thing was like,

LeBron James says something about John Moran. He has a rougher background. I don't think John, you know, LeBron James grew up, you know, as Toten Gunz. either. Yeah. It seems, people are, and some people, you know, are saying that, well, this is a racist double standard. Because there's a lot, you know,

there's a gun, there's a gun loving country, right? We love our guns, I mean, not me and you per se, I love God. I think they're great. You are, uh, no, I, I think, like I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, well, actually, what were you gonna say? I mean, what's the, I was like, what is the perception me. I mean, I feel like people think that you would like to have a gun, but that you would shoot the mailman. That's probably true. I mean, I'd shoot myself. I, not intentionally, but I just

clumsily. Yeah. That's why I don't give you a gun. I'd shoot myself through the wrist. That's why I've never given you a gun for Christmas. Through the wrist. How do that work? I don't know. I just feel like I'd be trying to load it and it's like, I'd get it loaded, but then I'd be trying to, I'd be trying to figure it out. You have the barrel rested on your wrist when you load it and just, She was right into it. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, yeah. It's a, but in principle, I don't, I don't mind the idea of people owning them.

Right. Now, um, I don't know. I don't think it's a racist double standard. I think the problem is, if we go to this, back to this picture, uh, look how small this gun is. It's too goddamn small. It's very small. John Moran, you're a big man. You're, you're an NBA star.

I mean, this guy's a very good NBA player. He won most improved. I think he was rookie in the year. He's, you know, going to be a star. He already is, but he's going to be like a real, like he'll probably win championships if it works out. You know, sometimes it doesn't work out, but whatever. You can't have a gun that small.

That's not what people love. Now, if we go, I want to show you some other examples of people with guns. Ted Nugent, look at this. Look how big those guns are. People love this guy. Yeah. People go, just kind of, as you ever had one hit in the radio? I don't even think so what you mean I every time I think I know a Ted Nugent song

it's a Steve Miller song jungle love Steve Miller uh other Steve Miller what's the other Steve Miller songs stuck in the middle with you sometimes I think that's that's Ted Nugent it's not all right so you know isn't Ted Nugent more of like a shredder like doesn't he doesn't he shred I couldn't tell you because they don't play on the radio and I've never bought one of his album but he's got massive he's got two big assault rifles here i think they're assault rivals don't at me i'm not i'm not a gunsmith uh then we have here look at madonna who well there's an article about this we'll get this in a second look how big her gun is she's holding like i got a huge uh like magnum revolver i didn't know madonna was into guns well there's a thing here

yeah we'll get this in a second one more we'll get them we'll do have an article about madonna now billy crystal here gun is yeah tiny and he hasn't worked in years i mean he was great when harry met sally he was great in uh city slickers and then this happens someone caught someone catches him with his handgun this tiny little stumbed those hand no one likes it isn't isn't that uh from a movie though no i got from the new york times i think that's but no that's that's that's a real picture anyway point is people like big guns that's why billy crystal can't work anymore now we have this this is Madonna flaunted pistols and AK 47 this is an old article just hours after the Colorado shooting I had no idea about this but she apparently

she's got you know what she's never I mean now she you know what people give her grief for what a swollen face from Botox that's true yeah but she can care that face that is that is something to look at though I mean look I mean she's Madonna let her be She made that song like a prayer. I love that song. And I'm going to feel you know. Right? Yeah.

It's a good song. It's a good song. Like a virgin is good. I think it's a little crass. Papa don't preach. Papa don't preach because I'm not a preacher. Papa, yeah. Me, Mickey.

She said, Hey, Mickey, right? Hey, Mickey. Hey, Mickey, you're so fine. I'm Madonna. Blow my money, Mickey. Whatever. She carries a big fucking gun, all right? I mean.

People always talk about Madonna, like she's a very important artist. Do you think she's important? I think she, look, I mean, if we're going to talk about, I mean, if Michael Jackson is, I think she is, I don't think he's better. Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess she is. She's important to pop in that way. Look, pop and, I mean, all of Motown's pop, right? It was at the time, right?

And that's all relevant. Cindy Lopper is way better than Madonna. IMO. What, the one, the girl who did the... Time after time. Girls just want to have fun. It's good songs. You know, girl,

I'm pretty sure one of those is written by Prince, though, so whatever. True colors. All right. I mean, that's three songs, but I've got at least three hits. It's been... The singer traditionally uses pistols in AK-40s. Keep on, it's in 2012.

I never knew it was before. The singer traditionally uses pistols. stills and AK-47 assault rifles as part of her MD and A tour. I guess Madonna. I missed this error of Madonna, but was asked by officials to refrain from using the fake firearms during a show at Edinburgh's Murray.

So the Scottish didn't like it. The Scots were like, hey, it's a bit much, Madonna. But America was all about it. Well, if this white lady can do it, I was going to say maybe there's an argument that it's like, it's in a crowded club, it's dangerous. But if she can do it.

do it on stage well he can do it in the club i mean the argument i think is is a role model he got hurt right well yeah look they they can they can enforce he's indefinitely suspended at least two they said at least two games now it's a definite bench or whatever uh like people will say well the NBA has these clauses he makes a lot of money all right well the NBA can do what it wants to like police his own image but like you're not going to get me outraged i mean oh he's such an example for kids these most of the people you're supposed to pick your friends to elevate you out of the i don't even know he's from the you know i don't i don't go around figuring out people from the hood or not that's not my place hey this guy really from the hood or is he faking it

i don't know is he even saying that or he's he just dancing with a gun i don't know but my point is how the hell are we giving this guy grief for having this gun and i'll say it again i will say it again let's bring this back up that gun's too small john moran I'm talking to the camera now get a bigger gun I get in trouble for that I feel like that this should be considered better role model behavior because no but no kid really wants to imitate this right he's dangling around like it's the volleyball yeah yeah I mean he's like he's like he's like on the trigger it's just kind of like he's waving it around like it's like that's just more of a sincere like hey hey

check out my gun you know It's like, it's not, he's not putting on the affect of like, I'm a badass. He really is, he really is holding it like, like it's a, like it's a new Pokemon card he got. Let me, I got Charzer. I mean, just give the guy a ban, but so, look, you got banning for a couple of, you're fine. Look, when the malice in the palace happened, they had to give those guys suspensions, right? Because you can't, you can't allow these, like, people just be hitting the fans, even if they deserved it. But, you know, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to.

gonna sit there and say run our test is a maniac i mean he might he might be but you know not because of that you disagree you think uh i think i think i don't think they should even suspend him you think just you think he should let him make him make him an honorary cop yeah honestly make why not let these guys do some copaganda if you want to punish him oh yeah like he gets to go and what like um like right a horse on the border yeah So is that cop again? He's got to be in an episode of Yellowstone. Oh, that could work.

It weren't if he's a good actor. Is that sure any good? I have no idea. I have no idea what it's about. I don't even know if it's about cops. I think it's about branchers or something in the Old West or the modern days. I don't know. I know there's a, whatever.

We'll move on. John Morant, hopes and wishes to you. Is that the expression? Thoughts and prayers. Hopes and. That's when someone dies. Loving prayers. Hopes and wishes.

That's my thing. RAP. No, he's alive. Don't be, we're not, we're not, don't put that into the ether. Okay. So now we're getting to the marquee segment that we, you know, of the day. Ooh. We have here our dictator tier list.

Now you see a lot of these tier lists online for action figures or albums, perhaps marbles if you're into that. we're doing it with dictators here. Now, we're gonna be right, Lucy was a little concerned because how do you rank, these are the worst people who've ever lived or some of them, right?

Some of the worst people. Some of these people on this list are definitely the worst people, ever live. And you were concerned that people would think that we're promoting if we put like Hitler right at, you know, at the top, are we saying Hitler's good? No, it's, it's.

Or are we somehow, I don't know are we somehow playing towards the ones that we put lower I don't most evil is that I I told you with the idea of making the D the we're like those guys go but you said no because you thought it was you saw it was watering myself down and you and you want to see me canceled so we're gonna we're gonna make but we're not it's not an endorsement it's the worst yeah ask you know the most alarming I mean I can go by the color I don't know about alarm I wouldn't call these guys alarming they've all passed that threshold you know centuries ago so let's

rad love what we have we have adolf hitler we'll see where he lands uh who's this guy oh pinochet we have um augustus caesar this is musilini this is fidel castro uh who's that gangis con and this is ivan the terrible uh julius caesar um that's the Korean guy was Kim moon sun uh Kim Ilson Kim Il-sun we have uh noriega Mao uh Gaddafi Napoleon uh Pol Pot Saddam Stalin Lenin Putin and Vlad the impaler okay so let's start with what do we know about Vladie is are we sure is Vlad the Impaler yeah that's what I was confused with Ivan and terrible

do you know anything about Vlad? I do not that's why I put Wikipedia right on another tab let's let's look up Vladian paler he's a hero of Romania oh so maybe he's not he's called the hero of Romania is he a dictator I don't know let's help him up is that isn't that where Andrew Tate is yeah so everything's kind of you know upside down over there maybe But it's also where Andrew Tate got arrested. Right.

You know, if it's so, you know. Glad the impaler may have set the, laid down the foundation for laws that arrested Andrew Tate. We're not trying to get into a beef of the Tater Tots. So, you know, and the Romania seems like a lovely country. He's considered one of the most important rulers in Wallachian history. I don't know what Wallachian is, but cool. And the national hero of Romania. I think he's the inspiration for Dracula.

He was the second son of Vlad Dracul. No, seriously. Really? I think so. There's a lot to read here. What did they do? The Ottoman sutan ordered Vad to pay homage to him personally, but Vlad had the assaultants to envoys captured and impaled.

So he impaled people, but I don't know if he impaled random people. He attacked Ottoman territory, massuring tens of thousands of turks. A lot of horrible dictators didn't necessarily kill random people. Well, no, look. Like, I mean, when I say random people, I mean like, I don't, I don't think the Jew, the, quote, the Jews is specific enough to not be random. I mean, it's right. I'm thinking it's as bad as being ran.

It's like you're killing mercilessly. It's worth of being random. Well, I guess you are. It is targeted. But my point is, when I say random, I mean, like, innocent, like, people who didn't screw you over. Fair enough. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

No, I didn't mean, like, well, he just goes from, he goes to the red house and the blue house. It doesn't make any sense. um i i don't captured and be you know what we don't know much about him what happened here we don't know much about him so we're gonna assume he's innocent we're gonna put him we're gonna put him a d because i'm not sure he's even a dictator per se and i hope he didn't murder millions of people but there's just too much of that we're gonna peter to go through right now uh next up and we can adjust these as we go you know we don't have to we don't have to stick to what you know we can we can kind of move people up and down as we as we rank other people uh we're going to go with

julius caesar now julius caesar uh was a uh roman noble from the i uh first century like he's straddled the the last century in for in first century bc Well, that's a century, BC, first century, 80. He kind of, he was kind of like Tom Cruise in that way. Strath, straddle the century, you know. Didn't do as much as Augustus Caesar. Didn't have as far as spread. But he did take over, you know, Rome on the back of killing a million Gauls.

What goals are? There's a French. The French. I don't know if it was people who live in France now genetically or whatever, but the people who were in France he killed a million of them and that's what he made his bones and uh he took that he took that he took that juicy guy from killing those million goals and he went marched into Rome he crossed the river Rubicon and he and he became

made himself dictator Taranus or whatever I was Taranus but you know dictator and then they killed him like pretty soon after right I forget I forget exactly how long it lasted but relatively short period of time rudis and and all those guys are like yeah let's get this guy Let's give him a little stabby, stabby. I heard a story about him recently. About Julia Caesar? About him getting kidnapped by pirates. Yeah, that happens.

When he's younger. And he somehow negotiated his release from the pirates. That's true. I read that in Swatonius, The Life of the Twelve Caesars. Ooh, la, la. He also had a great quote. Well, this stuff, who knows of this stuff is, you know, Swatonius, yeah, we didn't make footnotes, really, this guy.

you know he's one he's a one name guy like seal you know or a madonna um but whatever the point is uh he had this other thing was quote him it was julie caesar saw the statue of alexander the great who we didn't put in the list but whatever he only shaped the western world why we put him on this list uh he saw a statue of alexander the great and he did he conquered the world by the time he was 30 and i'm 30 i didn't do shit he'd like this is this i don't you know what's true but if you read. Yeah, how does he know that? How does he probably told someone.

If you go, you do this, you believe nothing. How did Jesus eat the water? I don't know the snails or whatever Jesus ate. The bread, the cheese. Whatever Jesus did, we don't know what he did. I feel like historians were just gossips back then. They might very well meet. But it's a very nice quote because it's inspiring because he's like,

well do I do. And Caesar kind of conquered, not as big as Alexandria the Great, but he conquered the world. Yeah. Or part of it. It's a story with a lot of, you know, significance. I'm going to put, for now, Julius Caesar into the of evil. Oh, let's say B.

And we can move him up. Yeah, because did you say how many Gauls he killed? A million. A million? A million. Wait, really? But we have a lot of people who kill a lot of people here. You got to, I mean, I got to say.

A? Back then killing a million Gauls. You had to do that. brutally well I mean the bar but there was no CNN so I mean every everyone did brutal stuff yeah but like there's a deal I'm not saying the piece of I'm just saying like a lot of these got I'm just saying there's no shooting a gall in the head uh no at that point no I guess they didn't that would like well an arrow maybe shooting a goal with an arrow you could do this is this is this is your like

version of like Plato's the I was saying the suffering factor of a million This is your version of Aristotle's ethics? Well, not with a gun, but with an arrow, and error's okay. I think you should go an egg. All right, we'll go, we'll put him an egg. A million is a lot, but we'll see. If we get a bunch of people with millions, we have to knock them down, which we might. We'll see.

Next up, we'll skip or should we go straight to Augustus? Let's go to Augustus. Well, Augustus was his nephew. There's a bunch of civil wars in between, but basically he killed a lot of people, too, but in wars i don't think he murdered like genocide people i'm sure look he's he killed uh mark antony and cleopatra right well yeah i mean uh i think what's his name agrippa really did um you know the general but yeah he was you know he was in charge he ordered it um i don't like that he killed those they were rats i don't like that he killed those young lovers mark anton he went like

fled to egypt like a rat it was so romantic it wasn't romantic i mean she she had caesar's kid She had Julius Caesar's kid. I think, I think, I think Augustus might have had him murdered. Are you saying Cleopatra was a, a little bit? I mean, I don't know. Well, yeah, well, what did he do? I mean, did he really? He turned it into an empire.

That's why he's the Roman Empire and the Roman Republic. Yeah, but did he really hurt it? Did he really? Look, he wasn't. Did he do genocides or anything? What's my thing? I mean, I don't, I don't doubt that he killed pockets of people, you know, if they were in his way. But he wasn't, he was seen.

like he brought about the Pax Ramallah right which is you know for a Roman piece I mean I don't think the the Africans who were under the boot called it the Pax Ramana but you know whatever and he like built a bunch of institutions of learning and stuff you know he improved it like he's basically the guy who started the empire and like it worked until he died and then like everyone got worse year by year after like his son his steps down with Siberius if you listen to Tacitus that guy was you know having sex of infants but that guy also didn't like whatever pointed and he had caligula we all know caligula near i mean claudius was fine so you know we'll put him on

c tier for now maybe d we don't know if we don't know if we don't know if laddie impaler even did anything i'm not sure why i put him on this list um then we have let's see do you put napoleon napoleon was he that brutal i mean we conquered a lot of shit but that was like back when people just marched around in formations right i mean i think he kind of is behind certain i'm definitely whitewashing him i'm no doubt that i'm whitewashing him here but like i think he is behind certain egalitarian principles in in you know in terms of like you know social origins of sort like meritocracy i like he invented the meritocracy well well he was using a meritocratic system at a time where a lot of people were still just relying on

like bloodlines to like like leadership and stuff. I always wondered about that. I thought he just died before they could do that. I thought he got con-like, I thought he just didn't. So he wouldn't, his son wouldn't have been in charge is what you're saying. Well, his, I mean, his son may have been in charge. Okay. I think it was.

I don't know if it was that pure of a meritocracy. Oh, okay. Fair. Oh, but there was no, like, noble estates. um he'd reinvade russia but he got lost i mean he's i don't think it you know counts right yeah like i outside of war which is brutal obviously but like it's like you know did i i don't know i'm gonna put him in b tier yeah because look so far we have vladdie impaler and look this might be the biggest screw mess like i wish kubrick had gotten to make that napoleon movie

and then we know more about napoleon it's the only way we would because i'm not reading a book uh By our own ignorance and stupidity, we don't know if Vadian Pella even belongs here. So D-Tier has become his own little world, I think, unless we find some other great person on this list. No, he's great. Again, this might look terrible when people come to us and go, oh, he killed six million little girls. I didn't know. But so Augustus is on sea. None of these guys are people you want to date your son or daughter or bring you to mail.

these are all brutal men at their best even Vlad even though we don't I know that much he's the impaler we'll put him on C since he did some good stuff and Napoleon's B because I just feel like he's just more of a weasel than Augustus probably right you can yeah maybe yeah maybe I mean I just feel like Napoleon was like a like a weird creep no one likes Napoleon yeah look that's as good a reason as any at this point look um where we got here we got uh kim so john son un kim san un he's a guy who started the north korea thing kim o's son this guy uh you know much about him um i know some some stuff about him um i gucce i think was his philosophy well that's handbags uh it was like j u c h h s h

e um it was like you know the the tenants of basically a partially like religious religious based communism where he was the religious figure okay um cult of personality is what you're trying yeah called to personality he is but also like in a eternal life sense on some level like why is he he's called like the eternal leader of north korea i'm looking up kumun son and all i'm finding is a North Korean rower ill with an I am oh okay him ill so it doesn't say anything about making handbags but uh the president under his leadership of her established a social state was yeah there it is oh juche oh right juche oh i don't think it's gooche it's just juche um shortly korean korean nationalism stuff for like he what he did was

I don't know that he, I mean, is he responsible? I mean, here's the thing. Does North Korea just have bad crop, like bad land? Because they blame him for all these famines, but like, maybe they just gave him. Well, the initial famine was because the Soviet Union dissolved, I think. And they weren't getting the eighth. Yeah. Oh, there wasn't a famine before that?

I don't know if there was a major famine before that. I think the whole arduous march famine was because of the disillusion of the Soviet Union. I could be wrong about that, though. But they stopped getting aid from... Well, look, this guy... North Korea is... He started the thing. I mean, they are mind...

But obviously, I mean, yeah, he's a huge cultist. Oh, no, he's a big cultist. I know watching something on C-SPAN a year ago. And, like, the level of, like, prolificness... the brain to call it brainwashing is the is is dismissive um because these people they're not getting like a good but they seem to really like it like apparently no korean's like i don't know about now but for a long time it may be now still they like it even though it should they shouldn't probably objectively they like it so we'll put them uh

but he's not he's not building uh you know the plumbing like like augustus caesar did right with the aqueducts So we'll put him with Napoleon. I think, I mean, I would put him higher than Napoleon. Really? You're going to put him with Julius Caesar? I mean, he's, well, it's, I don't know about him specifically, but obviously the handling of the famine. I think he doubled down a lot of dictatorial policies.

And also, like, it is just 1984 over there. So I feel like he's got to be a little bit high. But what if they like it? All right. We'll put, I don't know. This is not, this is not going to the UN, so we'll put him on the 80, right? it's fine uh now we have saddam hussein um saddam hussein uh was the leader of iraq if you forget uh we toppled them after we armed them he killed he gassed kurd supposedly probably did

right he invaded kuwait i don't think he killed that many people his sons were brutal though this was before trump what this is before trump Saddam Hussein. But it was before Trump? Yes. I don't remember that. Got me for a second. I'm going to put him on the A tier because he's not responsible for that much actual deaths probably.

Like as far as like some of the bigger guys. Well, he gasped the Kurds, right? Yeah, but I don't think it was that many of them. I'm saying. There are people who have killed like tens of millions. needs of people on this list we haven't gotten to them yet we can't like not everyone goes on this and he's but his sons did like would pick like rape brides on their wedding day so that gets you a hey that gets you truly a Caesar and Kimmoon's son uh next we have Gaddafi

um I'm gonna put him on B yeah I think he probably belongs there he might even belong on C honestly if you watch hyper normalization by Adam Curtis you can find it on YouTube um assuming that guy's not crazy you should but he makes a good case that the Gaddafi like we made him into a villain and he just went with it yeah um and he ended up going down getting pipe to the ass we're the way to go what did hillary clinton say about it oh we came we saw he died yeah um all right let's throw some red meat here um well first we'll go to this lennon Vladimir ilio leuch the euch is that what we call on them what you're the socialist tell us about Lenin he's a great man no I have no criticisms of Lenin really no I'm just

kidding I'll bring up the Wikipedia I mean I know who he is I mean like I mean did he really like did he really like did he really orchestrated any of the kind of the mass arrests that filled the gulag initially like they really should list like i don't think he did um i think he was i think he wasn't i'm not saying he's good i'm just saying i don't know they really look the way they list these things like born died resting place political party they really should put body counts yeah that would be helpful um i think he's bad I, well, look, he's the thing. He wasn't the guy who started a revolution.

Oh, look at how cute he is. As a baby? I mean, he's not gross. He's on the left. He's a standing baby. He's one of those standing. I hate standing babies. He's one of those babies who stands way before he looks like he should be standing.

I don't like it. I don't stand for it. Just for that, I'm putting him on a tier. That dumb baby picture. I don't like babies Musilini S S

What I mean He he he created the framework of fascism That that You know pervaded the entire 20th century Did he? Yeah So Hitler just took his cues from Mussolini I feel like he was the other way around

To some extent Yeah How many years before Hitler did Mussolini come around I think Mussolini was the first one The first real fascist dictator Of the 20th century like saying like uh like tarentino came out the same time as oliver ston what he didn't but whatever like and then you go oh they inspire each other like ah you know maybe later on but like

you know like look paul thomas like tarantino says he was inspired by p t and anderson's there will be blood uh opening scene to make the opening scene glorious bastards so maybe he took a few cues but i feel like but you know p t paul thomas anderson didn't like create tarentino in the same way i don't think musilini create hitler I don't think he created Hitler I don't think Hitler took his cues from it But all right But I think a lot of fascist systems

Were influenced by Mussolini Fine Which one? I mean All of them A bunch of failed ones But you Okay In Spain

Oh we should have had the Franco Yeah Should have had Franco on here No one knows who Franco is Fidel Castro D D

Let's put him to see. No, we'll put him to see. Okay, C, fine. I mean, do you have an argument for why he should be? Why he shouldn't even be on this list? Because that's what D is right now. D is like, we don't know what Vladian Pailor was about. We know Castro was like.

We know he impaled people. Yeah, but I mean, like, look, can't, yes, but everyone impales people. So, so with FDR effectively. You know, we're not FHR. FDR in his wheelchair, is impaling people. no uh i didn't have what i meant uh we'll put them in see next the next to augustus caesar i think people are going to be pretty upset to begin with they were putting the next to reguster caesar okay all right fair uh noriega no i don't know nothing about this guy let's look this i know he was like the whole there was the thing

he was the guy we were trying to put it forward in the contras i forget who is noriega Wikipedia is useful it's too objective for this i need like a a website we really should have read some of these before we did this i thought i knew more about history me too by the way these pictures that i pay i boast of my guy from wikipedia because they want like you know whatever and like this is the only guy who's got a mugshot for a wikipedia picture um from i guess the u.s marshal service uh having dictator military officer who was a de facto ruler of panama from 83 to 89 oh he was so he wasn't the contras okay a authoritarian ruler who amassed a personal fortune through drug trafficking uh he long since in ties to U.S. intelligence agencies before the U.S.

All right, yeah, I mean, I don't know what. I'm sure he did some shit because the CIA doesn't make friends of, you know, um, you know, break dancers and candy strivers, um, if you get my drift. But, um, but then nonetheless, if I do feel like, you know, we basically screwed him. We basically like, used him and then, like, arrested him for the drug stuff, just, you know. So we'll put him on. see right mm-hmm only only Vlad the impaler we don't know anything about them is Wikipedia page is very unclear we long time to read it all uh okay gangis con

is even a dictator or just a warlord I mean in fact I mean yeah I think he was still pretty rough after he took places over yeah I mean impaled babies but them only make a point not because he wanted to eradicate babies I think um I think he goes s yeah no he's got to go i mean they say one in four people have his dna that's epic is that the right word uh let's see is this paul pot i don't know enough about paul pot i know it's a lot of bodies we'll put him a well is he i don't know no i think maybe you should go s on body count alone all right the commere rouge are infamous we're we're we're yeah we don't we can't spend

too long on this um just a frame of reference like do i have to explain why hitler goes s yeah right right okay hiller goes us we don't need to explain why he's hitler yeah Stalin goes ass Stalin um now he did you do you do but you like his picture when he was younger he was a he was a attractive young man is true but still us i guess yeah um all right so we have But he was also, I think, homeless when he was a young guy. That's true. So it really smelled. All right.

Well, geez. Wow. Shots fired into homeless. Well, this is solid. Just the ones that are mass murderers. Okay. We have four more here. I'm going to breathe past that because I want homeless people to listen to this podcast.

Well, they might. Don't laugh. They have phones all of them. I know. But it just the fact that you, I need that demographic. I think it's a good demographic. They don't have much to do all the day.

That's true. I mean, I guess homeless people work sometimes. Yeah. But I mean, I think it's a good show to listen to if you're on drugs. You're saying homeless people are lazy? No, I'm saying they're like they stay up on that on drugs. A lot of them. Look, I'm sure some of them, like, you know, whatever.

They're being so much meat or to the homeless than I am. But I, but I can see myself being one of them. So now we have Augustus Pinochet. Pinochet through communists out of hell. helicopters, uh, secret, lots of secret police, um, A tier, probably. I don't think he killed six million or 25 million people. Uh, we have Mao. Mao goes A, right? Yes. Yeah. I mean, Mao's killed like 50 million people, right? Mm-hmm. They say, I mean, who knows, but now's, uh, I see Mao making a comeback in popularity in

the socialist circles. Yeah, that's strange because a lot of people fucking died. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's a pretty weird. They love all these guys in our rest tier. It's a pretty weird flex. But he seems to like, he's one of the, he's definitely the person that young socialists try to whitewash the most. I mean, he's like, you know, they connect him. I guess he had a pretty aggressive policy against landlords,

against landowners. So he comes up a lot when people are complaining about landlords. Okay, well, like kill the landlords. Yeah, we also killed a lot of babies. yeah probably uh i think two more guys left one of them i think they're both russian one is ivan the terrible i've been the terrible yeah is he what's his deal you know i don't know much about ivan the terrible he might be another vlad the impaler i'm sure we're prejudging him by the name wikipedia will be no help to us i have the terrible uh 1530 with a grand prince of moscow and the

first czar of russia ivan was the son of vassal who care during his you what did they do present disparate accounts of his complex personality he describes intelligent devout also prone to paranoia rage and episodic outbreaks of mental instability the increase of age in one fit of anger he murdered his eldest son and heir ivan ianinovich and might have caused the miscarriage of the latter's unborn child all right i got a solution he killed he killed his son so we're not going to put him next to this guy we don't know what he did so we'll put him on see right i don't know what it feels like you're trying to image rehab i you know vlad the impaler now i just don't know i mean like i was look i was grasping a straws on his wikipedia but it didn't say that vladdie impaler killed

his son so it's like that that's all i was looking for this is not this is not like this is not like it's not the hague all right and now we have vladimir putin uh all around bad guy in our opinion uh someone you know we want to rule us dare i say no but uh he hasn't killed millions of people no he hasn't everyone that's less invaded someone i think it's safe to put him at the c tier probably c tier you you i mean fidel i i gave you fidel castro like he didn't really he just kind of like took over his own country yeah you're right okay b tier I feel like Putin I mean he is invading people yeah because I mean Napoleon really belongs on why is it only on B I feel like Putin should be a where that just

his recency bias I mean is Putin any better than Saddam Hussein I think your virtue signaling a little bit I I think you're I think you're trying to get a job with the gas pole I mean look at the people next you so you want you you put them on C I would I guess I'm torn between B and A B and A let's put them on a you know why I'll say this we're a life a deal of his horse shit you know yeah I don't like it I don't like you invading people I don't care how much the CIA go did you this doesn't mean you do it yeah it's like saying it's like saying like you know my son you kid hey two wrongs don't

make a right Putin that's what i would say hey Putin you know you beat the best be a bigger man you get pumped down the c tier maybe get out of ukraine is that fair oh i want to be fair to putin um i think that's fair okay i think i think that's more than fair a tier so there we go so we have And he's up there with Lenin. Maybe he'd like that. We have Mussolini and Genghis Khan and Paul Pot and Hitler and Stalin and Mao in the A tier and the A tier. We're Julius Caesar.

We have, who's this again, Kim Mung Sun? Yes? Kim Il-sung, yeah. Saddam Hussein, Lenin, Pinot She. Why is Pinot She up here? You kill a lot of people. Yeah, secret police. Okay.

And Putin. and then we have Napoleon I don't think Napoleon Maybe you could put Pinochet on Tier B But I kind of feel like it's I mean maybe I'm just responding to my own I hope I hope he doesn't pay the price for our Oversight

But we have Gaddafi and Napoleon Napoleon Napoleon like why I'm like this to Gaddafi I conquered a lot of shit Gaddafi just on Libya I think I think probably Gaddafi should be on C but I I would put Pinochet on B and Gaddafi on C I think I think I think Augustus Caesar should be on C

will be right yeah and then we'll put Gaddafi on C yeah wait no oh these are I forgot these are better okay we'll put his so wait so now Augustus Caesar's like there with fucking Gaddafi it doesn't make any sense And I think Pinochet goes on B, I think. All right. And then, that's your rankings. You know, take that to the bank.

That was a lot of fun. It's still crazy that Pinochet is with Napoleon. I don't know. Whatever. Thanks so much for tuning in. Look. I'm sorry to, I feel bad that I made front of home with Stalin now. Don't worry about it.

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