Kump - 145 - Death Table

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

Ray and Lucie discuss their death table, a Pokemon scandal, Marjorie Taylor Greene's attack on NYC, and much more. Sign up at https://www.patreon.com/RayKump for an extra episode every week! Follo...w Kump on Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/raykump Kump Hand Merch https://bonfire.com/store/kump/ Follow Ray on Sound Cloud https://on.soundcloud.com/QbP8

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Today on Kump, we have obituary faux pas, New York under attack, and debt tables. Stay tuned. Hello and welcome to comp. Lucy hi how are you i'm good you are good uh wedding planning is ramping up sure is uh we're getting married yeah which is wonderful and it means i'm going to spend my life with you and apparently i have to create some kind of uh altar at the reception uh with icons of uh of of dead people what is this are we building a church look it's traditional to have a table that's honoring the dead honoring your dead loved ones who would be at the wedding probably but but can't be because they're
Starting point is 00:01:15 dead and so you put their pictures on it on a table what tradition is this is this amongst funeral directors amongst people who worship trees who Boo, whose tradition is this? It happened at one wedding we went to. That's as far as I know. It's multiculturally traditional, I think. Because what if, okay, so let's say, you know, you had somebody very close to you who maybe would be involved in the wedding.
Starting point is 00:01:43 Right? Yeah. And, but, you know, they're not there. What, are you just going to pretend they don't exist? You do a proxy dance for them. You have someone from, you know, from the wedding party, perhaps. maybe your mother maybe you know a cousin or brother uh dance with you uh in place of that person in in beautiful honor and and great ceremony well that i think that's also a sweet idea but like
Starting point is 00:02:09 and that's nice and it's not there the whole time it's the thing you do after dinner maybe after the father-daughter dance yeah those things um it's done it's a nice little thing it doesn't you don't do a whole song it's it's out of everyone's mind and they get to eat cake and you throw the panties at, you know, the bride throes or panties at the men or whatever it happens at these weddings. You're describing is a permanent fixture for the whole duration of the wedding. That people can just kind of walk by and look at and gawk at. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:42 And, and, see, I think the thing, the, the, the proxy dance is a nice idea, but the problem is there's no visual representation. The person. It's not like the proxy is wearing a mask to look like your dead loved one. That would be able to look at the face of your dead loved one. I'd prefer the mask. We have the technology to make a mask. It won't be great.
Starting point is 00:03:00 We can print out a picture. Or we could make a deep fake. We could do a deep fake. Can they do live deep fakes yet? Is that like where you can kind of stream into a computer? It can probably not. You have to render it first. Maybe we do, we get a TV at the way.
Starting point is 00:03:16 I used to do these weddings where I would shoot pictures and then they'd go up on the screen, right? Yeah. It was beautiful. Usually it's just some DJ kid taking pictures and doing it and they look like garbage. but I was you know I would send me in these weddings and like I wouldn't be the main photographer eventually I became one but I just worked with this DJ and he just sent me to like the bride's house right and he'd like discuss it with the bride but not the photographer who just spending like five grand or whatever and like they're like you and I'm whatever I'm whatever I'm whatever I don't have I don't have
Starting point is 00:03:44 the materials to sell my my pictures yet my wedding stuff I haven't shot weddings at this point what I did was for very poor people who had very it well it didn't look great I mean it I'm not blaming them. I'm just saying. Do poor people have just worse lighting surrounding them at all time? First of all, by poor, I mean,
Starting point is 00:04:00 people who don't want to drop 80 grand on a wedding. Right. So, I mean, let's just call it what it is. But that's the market you try to get into. You can't do a, like,
Starting point is 00:04:08 some backyard wedding, you know, where there's like tires in the backyard. And then, you know, serving shrimp in the hot burning sun. Yeah. And also poor people just look worse in photos.
Starting point is 00:04:20 They do. Yeah. I mean, it's like second marriages, which is fine. But, like you know everyone's you know no one no one look comfortable no one no everyone's very sweaty so a point is they would send me on the you know he would send me in these these jobs and i would
Starting point is 00:04:35 just show up at the bride's house i think he'd do the videos the video guy comes of course and the photographer doesn't care you get a video guys there get your shot whatever uh but i'm here like what are you doing here i'm on the zap shot photographer and then uh so i would like you know and he'd put the pictures on the screen but i but like the guy bought like like My boss bought like a really serious camera equipment. I had like, you know, Canon, L-series glass. It was expensive thousands of dollars. So I'm holding this shit.
Starting point is 00:05:01 He said, what's your game? What's your deal? Because he's trying to sell pictures, right? Right. You know, he's trying to send them the proofs, then you buy these albums. Try Gary Fonging, this couple up, you know? Trick him into making a collage.
Starting point is 00:05:14 And so they hated me. I was just espies by, like, it's the worst way to make contacts in the business. And like, but I was good. So they would go up on the screen. and then they didn't like it because it was good and I proved my medal sometimes they were like you know they were they would come around and go you're actually are right but one guy was really mad because like I was up on a I was in
Starting point is 00:05:38 in the it was a really crowded like yacht club building you know and there was a huge crowd of people and they were like I was just trying I was in there in the midst you know in the in the shit you know just getting shots during the first dance and he I guess was up in the corner where there's like old medium format camera on the stool and he comes up to dance like I think it's like shots he goes I just want you to know
Starting point is 00:06:01 you're in every one of their pictures is completely ruined I just want you to know that I didn't know there were these like warring gangs of photographers they usually isn't I was creating a whole new yeah it's like games in New York where like a bunch of firemen show up for the same fire
Starting point is 00:06:17 so my point is can we do something like that with a deep fake there's a long way to say that Right, yeah, yeah, deep fake, yeah, kind of instant, almost instant deep fake. It has to be rendered, we have to do the dance, and then we have some whiz kid, like, you know, on the computer, like, you know, while people are eating cake, and then, like, a half hour later, it'll show up, and it'll just be a really badly rendered, like, whoever, like, you know, your uncle, Uncle Clark, who died of a skiing accident, and he's just, it's just him Photoshopped or whatever. under my female cousin's body if she's the proxy. Well, I wouldn't be dancing with Clark either way. So, I mean, you'd be.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Right, I would be dancing. Wait. We'd get a man. I mean, look, I don't want to get into a whole gender war here. But I mean, I guess anyone can do anything. But I would prefer in this case to get a man. So it doesn't. Right.
Starting point is 00:07:10 So that's not as jarring. Yeah, Clark isn't, you know, because Clark wouldn't wear dresses. Yeah. So it wouldn't be, it wouldn't, in the interest of plausibility. I would be canceled for this. You, how dare you assume a man wouldn't want to wear a dress as nieces's wedding? You slob of a fat boy. We're very inclusive.
Starting point is 00:07:33 I mean, we don't have to limit the death table to just our relatives who have died. I mean, what you want to go into? I mean, who died today that you told me about the guy who played the movie studio boss in Barton Fink? Michael Lerman or something? Yeah, Michael Lerner. Can I do a tribute to him? Can I do a whole tribute of dead people I admire? Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Okay, so it'll be Stanley Kubrick. I'm of an iPad playing Kubrick movies. I'll have Paul Walker from Fast and Furious. Ryan Dunn from Jackass, both two great men cut down their primes in fast cars. Remember Ryan Dunn? Oh, yeah. I'm a Jarvis friend. He's getting honored.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Maybe Bam will show up to the wedding. If we tell Bamar Jarrett that we're going to do a tribute to Ryan Dunn at our wedding, would he come? I don't know, but I would, I mean, if he doesn't, it's kind of disrespectful to his dead friend. It is. I mean, I saw him once. I held a door for him, I think, or I just got startled opening the door at the butcher shop where I work. He was walking in as I was leaving. And, you know, whatever.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I mean, you know, it wasn't like meeting Al Pacino. He didn't have the same kind of poise. but but whatever i mean he's he's wait but you actually met up you introduced your no i'm hello i love the thing you did that made you become a it ruined your life um do you imagine what if we get john do you think you think johnny knoxville might show up because margar i don't know i feel like he's i feel like johnny knoxville is a better person even though bad margar was closer to that guy i feel like we sent this letter with johnny knoxville he might be like you know what I'm a man of the people and then he then he gets there we convince him to like nail himself to a cross or something you know can we get is that possible I mean he's there anyways if we look I appreciate you being here I mean I went on my way to honor your friend these people don't care about them the guests yeah you got get something to them you know so maybe maybe you can kind I have these nails and his hammer maybe just I mean I'm not saying you have to like these aren't big nails you know these aren't like they aren't nine inch nails like Jesus.
Starting point is 00:09:46 just you know supposedly got nailed with right they're just you know framing nails you're not gonna be stuck to the cross we're just nailing it nails your ham but is the idea that this is something that like like similar to what he would do on jackass i think it's more of a stevo thing probably and he wouldn't do that but i mean you know it's yeah i don't know if they would necessarily i mean maybe they would actually maybe they would crucify themselves look i mean give him 10 years they're running out of ideas yeah but here's this is a bargaining position and he goes look i'll just uh i'll just uh i'll just just, you know, rub a rock on my dick or something, you know, like, I don't want to do the cross thing.
Starting point is 00:10:21 You just, you start high, so he, like, he'll feel, but he'll want to do something. Come on, you're a showman. Aren't you a showman? Now, is this still somehow related to the honoring of the dead, dead people, or is this just entertainment? Well, he's there anyway, so what we're going to, like, lose the opportunity? Right. I mean, he's there because I'm honoring Ryan Dunn. Do you like honor Ryan Dunn to get Johnny Knoxville there?
Starting point is 00:10:41 You know, one of the jackasses, yeah, that was the idea. But I also love Ryan Dunn. I mean, I don't know. I mean, he might have done bad. Who know? I'm not going to, maybe, maybe it's best to keep that in the dark. It's never occurred to me that anyone should have to vouch for like the moral, you know. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Yeah. Fiber of the jackass guy. Sure. Yeah. But what if I honored Stalin? I mean, there is a, you know, he's dead. There's still, it's not great. That's true.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Yeah. Yeah, it's complicated. Can I get a Stalin thing? Can you honor Stalin at the death table? I'll make it clear that it's just I mean look it's the volume of people that's becoming a concern more than Stalin in particular I mean is this going to be its own separate death table
Starting point is 00:11:25 or is there going to be or is Paul Walker's picture going to be next to my dead mother's picture like what's going to be are there going to be two death table or are they all getting combined on one? I mean your mother you think your mother's better than Ryan Dunn or Paul Walker was your mother a movie star? Not necessarily no I mean I don't think she would
Starting point is 00:11:45 would be if she was sat at a table at a dinner party uh rest her soul you know god bless uh and like you know next to like you know paul walker i would she'd be like excuse me i don't sit next to a beautiful attractive movie stars no no i think she'd be happy to be sat next to pa that's a great that's a great you know he died young but he and there's nothing there's nothing to say about him right maybe he was maybe he got a little reckless while he was driving this conflicting story maybe he didn't Maybe his friend was driving. It doesn't make him a bad guy either way. Yeah, you know, you're right.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yeah. Paul Walker. I want him to. Paul Walker gets front row for sure. I'd like to maybe bring him into the main room, actually. Now I'm thinking about it. The main room? Yeah, whatever.
Starting point is 00:12:29 It's going to be off in the corner somewhere. But maybe we'll do like a pole walker on the dais. We'll have a Paul Walker thing. You know where we sit? Everyone gives their toasts. And we'll just have some Fast and Furious DVDs. Do I? Maybe there will be.
Starting point is 00:12:44 We can actually do that because, you know, we can have our own like a little sweetheart table. But in between us, there will be sitting a cardboard cut out, a life-sized cardboard cut out of Paul Walker. Ooh, if we're going to do that, because he also gets screech. He died, too. That's true. Yeah. He did die. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Dust and diamond. I don't want to. I mean, that's just the, I mean, you spend your whole life playing this nerd. I mean, he made money off it, but he didn't, life didn't end well. And I'm just seeing her calling him screech, like a scumbag. Well, Dustin diamond. It probably was a high point for him. Sure.
Starting point is 00:13:14 I mean, when your life turns to absolute rubble and, and it's constant pain and constant turmoil and, you know, you're, you're battling demons of a life of childhood acting, uh, sure, that was the high point, I guess. It beats, it beats the painful death by cancer, I guess. Um, I don't want to speak for him. Anyway, uh, do we, last thing. can we set up candles? We saw the wedding that we were at November and there was just a table and pictures. It was like, all right, this is fine.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Can we want up them and have like kind of a old school like Italian church where people like the candles and the pictures of the saints? Can we do that? Can we have like a bunch of candles and like those weird things you put the candles out with and a knife that you can do a little blood thing with? You know, like with the motel, when they go like they slice their hands.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Just getting into the Santaria, Or maybe we do a little sacrificing at the weather. You get a pig or whatever. I don't even think they get pigs for Santerry-year-old. They just get like a pig heart. Can we pick one person from the death table? Maybe we could even like put little their names like in a little hat so that it's random. We pick out one name and try and raise that person from the dead through ritual.
Starting point is 00:14:36 I don't I don't hate that. Yeah. I kind of like it. uh get a slaughterer slaughterer of uh chicken now we're not now we're doing this anyway here's thing i i've talked before about how we worked at the more we find like a heart right a cow's heart and someone would like had cut it open put a piece of parchment paper inside and so it up so like we had like i take pictures while they were you know examining this and there's people's names on it's a curse i don't know can i do that with my vows
Starting point is 00:15:04 for the ceremony can i have kind of pull a pig's heart out and then cut it like cut open the sutures and then rip out the parchment and say Lucy when I first met you I was uh mesmerized uh you were you were as beautiful as a pig's heart something like that maybe I don't reference the pig is a little on the nose uh a thousand a thousand and one pig hearts couldn't couldn't stack up as high as my love for you it's a little less direct yeah can i can i can i do the vows have to be pig heart related i feel like the spectacle of you cutting them out of the pig heart kind of like it kind of sells what you're trying to sell all right fine deal i won't reference the pig heart
Starting point is 00:15:48 and that's how you negotiate see yeah you start high he's like can i bring up and you bring it i don't want to bring up pig hearts but she agreed to it because at least i'm not saying pig heart 10 times during my speech and now i get to bring a pig's heart out and cut it open and it's just It's magnificent. The majesty of it. Yeah. It sends chills down my spine. Your master.
Starting point is 00:16:12 I should not be a failure. I don't know why I am. It's not negotiating, apparently. It's something else. Anyway, moving on. What is going on? There's a story here about a teacher in Florida who has been fired. swiftly, swiftly fired.
Starting point is 00:16:34 And you would think based on the recent news that what were they doing? They were telling kids about, you know, hey, what's your gender? Yeah. What do you like to? Let me look at what you got down there and then tell me you're something different. There's no such thing as a man. There's no thing as a woman. You're just a blob.
Starting point is 00:16:53 When you're 30 years old, you can pick. Whatever. You think it would be something like that. Yeah. Based on hysteria. I'm not saying that happens. I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:01 That's not what it was. No, something different. This is why I so surprising. Let's bring this up. This teacher was let go or fired. Does it matter? Oh, this person, the story says not only were they fired, but they were fired within hours of doing this.
Starting point is 00:17:18 So plausibly they did it at the middle of the school day, and by the end of the school day, they were fired. Let's see how reasonable this person. I mean, maybe this is unfair. Florida teacher fired for asking students to pen obituaries, for active shooter drill. Hmm. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:17:38 I got to tell you, I don't think that's a great idea. I don't think it's great either. I mean, so what, these kids, apparently, let's let's read something as article. Let's not speculate. But also it weirdly seems like something you would do if you were a teacher. Sure.
Starting point is 00:17:54 I think this might qualify as a cump move. Well, that's interesting. Well, let's read this, but I will respond to that once we see the details, because I see, before we start, can I see myself asking students to write their obituaries? I just feel like writing your own obituary is a very, a very vain move. I would never do it myself, and I would never add, like, I don't like writing, you know, I don't like writing the description of the podcast.
Starting point is 00:18:25 I think if you look up, you know, the about of the podcast, I think it's still like, Ray come work to the morgue in the prison, and you go to politics and stuff. I mean, I just, I don't boast. Right. But that's the only thing to keep me from forcing children to imagine their death. Because otherwise, I like the idea. Let's see, what we got here? I could just imagine you doing it,
Starting point is 00:18:46 but probably even more urgency than this teacher did it. Yeah, it was just like, write your obituary's kids because you're going to die today. They're just trying to get really into the world of the story, you know, the story of the active shooter drill. Right. Okay, so, I mean, is this an English teacher, Or is this like the shooter's real
Starting point is 00:19:02 It sounds like a real English teacher thing to do. Yeah. It seems, I'm not sure what was trying to be taught there. Except maybe that like, I mean, what lesson could you even learn? Are we saying like, are we trying to blame the kids who do get shot? Right, it's like, you better really imagine
Starting point is 00:19:20 what it would be like if you were dead so that, you know, you try extra hard not to get shot. Right. Yeah. Don't go. Don't be a lazy bones about getting shot at. If you have the opportunity, to run at the shooter while he's pointing the gun at you maybe do it i mean it's better you than me
Starting point is 00:19:36 that's what they're saying i guess i don't know what they're but let's take a look at the article we have right in front of us yeah a florida teacher who is fired from his school after asking his students to write their own obituary as in advance of an on-campus active shooter drill says he has no regrets about the assignment oh i love it wow that cost him his job quote it wasn't to scare them or make them feel like they were going to die, but just to help them understand what's important in their lives and how they want to move forward with their lives and how they want to pursue things in their journey. The dismissed psychology teacher, Jeffrey Keen, told NBC News. I mean, first of all, is it a high school? Is it a high school? Yeah. I mean, did you have psychology at your high school?
Starting point is 00:20:21 I don't think so. That's a strange class I have in high school. Yeah. Maybe it was an elective or something, but I'm not sure. I don't think so. it's a very it look it's it's one thing to say hey i i didn't you know this is not what i intended i think it was taken out context i have no regrets i mean just just like this was a great idea no one in the i mean who would agree with this guy what is the value let's let's keep going this is a fascinating man what's his name geoffrey keene jeffrey kean we got we should get jeffre keen in the show kean's dismissal once again has cast a spotlight on the persistently bizarre decisions within the public education system of Florida, which has banned discussions
Starting point is 00:21:04 of gender and sexual identity and classrooms, but whose Republican extremist governor, Ronda Santis. Yeah, NBC News is being pretty pointed about this. Sure. I mean, what happened to, the objectivity, like, you know, the Iraq War is good. Stanchly supports keeping the guns which help fuel school shootings across the country as accessible as possible. I mean, a lot of assumptions.
Starting point is 00:21:25 It seems like editorial. I mean, look. Yeah, it's pretty. I don't, look, I'm not, you know, some second amendment, like, you know, uh, superstar. I'm like, but whatever, but like, you know, but I think, whatever, I think is, is, is, is, can you do stuff with gun control to, the, to stop someone this? I think it's possible. Um, it's, we should definitely have a discussion, perhaps, but whatever, if you, if you, if you, I'm not going to argue that now, but to, uh, to just, I mean, immediately just declare, they're fueling it. I mean, it's, it's a, for journal, for, for an op-eds, one thing, but this is, like, supposed to be NBC, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Right. I mean, I- And also, it's like, let's be honest, it's not just the availability of the guns that's fueling this. Of course, it's not the only thing. The media has kind of fueled it. The mental health crises have kind of fueled it. Like, it's all kind of part of, like, it's like, right.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Yeah. No, yeah, 100%. And so, um, it seems like a nod that, yeah, I don't know what, what happened to journalism. Oh, I do. Yeah. I was alive for the past 15 years. yeah anyway we know exactly right it's been about this bad for about 10 years
Starting point is 00:22:34 yeah and then the 2000s weren't much better yeah according to nbc kean learned that his 11th and 12th grade students at dr phillips high school in the orlando area would be rehearsing how to respond to a shooting attack rehearsing that really i mean i guess that might be the word but it seems odd. Okay. Practicing maybe. I mean, rehearsing. I guess you can rehearse a drill, but it seems odd.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Weird choices all around. We should really have more funding for musical theater, active shooter drills. I mean, do you remember when those guys would come to, like, those group, did you remember a group come to your school, like a traveling troop of like? Yes. Yeah. I forget what they were called, but they were like, do like drunk driving things. Oh, oh, ours was just like shitty Shakespeare actors.
Starting point is 00:23:20 Oh, no. We'd have these guys. I don't know what they're, I think they were just hired. I think they were, like, trying to be actors, probably. But they would come and they would do, like, these, like, skits about, like, drunk driving or drinking on a party or premarital sex or whatever. I don't know. What would they be like, like, like, you know, remember any of the details of them?
Starting point is 00:23:38 No, it's a typical, like, you know, like, it's just like a very special episode of saved by the bell, for instance. You know, like, we're, you know, ooh, the pills. I'm so excited, you know, well, that was happening. Would they be pantomimiming everything? Yeah. Yeah, oh, there'd be a lot of panda mind. Oh, God, oh, terrible.
Starting point is 00:23:53 They were, it was like a black box theater, but in your school. Oh, yeah. That's disgusting. And, uh, so they, they should get those guys involved. Like, is that what they're referring to when they see rehearsals? Yeah. Maybe. It would be great if the active shooter drill, they stopped actually, like, you know, doing it like a fire drill.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Right. And, yeah, they just made it a performance. That would be more useful. Yeah. And who gets to play the shooter? a young a young uh i mean like this could be someone like the next the next uh who's that kid not kid anymore i always bring him up shallomay the next salome could be could be performing as a school shooter in some in florida in some florida school and he'd do a monologue about how he's uh addicted
Starting point is 00:24:38 to porn women beckies and what beckies and stacy's stacy's and beckies won't touch me this is the only way i could make my life matter. I don't know. You know, like, we try to make it, like, I mean, these people are never, like, they can't even, most of these shooters I imagine
Starting point is 00:24:58 can't even speak properly. You know, they can't communicate well. I mean, look, I could be speaking on a turn here, but I imagine that a lot of these people who feel they need to shoot, I need, a man, shoot something,
Starting point is 00:25:09 aren't probably the most, uh, easy to talk to. They're not the most, they're a conversational flare, perhaps. not been i mean you think i'm wrong there you think the kinds of people who would do shootings yeah yeah oh yeah i'm sure they're not like yeah right so my point usually the
Starting point is 00:25:28 reviews of them seem to be some mix of them being outcast but also being bullies right yeah yeah yeah yeah my point is i i don't know that the uh shakespearean monologue is going to be accurate but it'll be nice yeah it would be like it would still be cathartic for the kids sure catardic yeah are we showing us the kids who like survived shootings
Starting point is 00:25:50 are we going to the parkland and be like hey so uh on an anniversary we're gonna do this if any of you want to play yourselves in the thing let us know we might obviously if the trauma
Starting point is 00:26:02 is too raw we totally understand but would you want to participate in a in a theatrical reenactment not speaking parts those are for the actors but we really think it would lend it some authenticity if we have real victims plus you know just like it would just shield us a bit survivors sorry I meant to say survivors oh you can't say victims yeah yeah I think I
Starting point is 00:26:24 oh I wait are you not allowed to say it or is it just not accurate if I if I if I called like David Hodge a victim of a school shooting would he be offended or like I mean he would probably like there's trauma involved would he call you you pig it's so that's such an uninclusive word it makes me seem like I I you know I was helpless I'm a survivor like all right um take a selfie anyway so what happened let's let's keep you on with it um the murder's at all right sorry anyway okay just a week earlier an intruder shot and killed oh okay all right wait did i lose it oh yeah rehearsing how to respond to a school shooting attack this prompted him to ask his students to write their own
Starting point is 00:27:25 biographical obituaries as classwork reasoning that the assignment would cause them to reflect on their lives as they prepared to undergo the active shooter drill why do you need to though what is that like what does that help with like why are you're like because people tend to fix that usually when people are thinking about what their obituary would read like, they tend to fixate on what they haven't accomplished. You know, it's like, it's like, you know, high schoolers have a lot that they haven't experienced yet.
Starting point is 00:27:53 So it is kind of like, it's a weird, backhanded, like. It's also just unhelp. I think, look, I don't know what I would do in a situation. I'm not going to speculate. You'd like to think you would take action. Sure. Right? By slightly informed opinion would be that people who do take action, right?
Starting point is 00:28:11 whether it's like you know successfully hiding or sometimes there's one guy a couple years or two ago who like he and he died but he tackled the shooter and he got shot right but he's saved everyone uh i don't think there's a lot of like you know i i think you do it kind of instinctually and i don't have to take away from it but it's more like you have that you're not like sitting there going wait i you know when i when i was nine i uh i i i won a fishing award a boy scot fishing trip and that was really nice and then I also I was in that basketball tournament
Starting point is 00:28:44 where we lost but I got most improved so now I'm gonna attack I'm not I mean like it's stupid you just like some people just have the ability to like do what needs to be done yeah it's probably like it probably is kind of like a primal thing
Starting point is 00:28:58 it probably depends on like it probably is connected on some level to like how your like earliest ancestors survived sure yeah yeah most people and look and if you're you're trained which students usually aren't yeah i mean like a lot of these training for people who like do this kind of work cops or whoever are soldiers like no they have to beat this into you
Starting point is 00:29:19 like over and over like how to you know like you're going to be thinking about your obituary and then that's going to help you like you know running someone with an achay or whatever they use right before right right before he shoved a grenade in my mouth i was thinking about this girl i had crush on who said it was a fat turd do you remember seeing this I think it was a vice thing like it was like a story about this like private school that like a huge part of their curriculum is just like training all the kids for an active shooter drill but like to respond in like mob formation that's we're basically like all the little you'll like I don't know maybe I'll see if I can find the video of it but it's like you see these like you see this video footage of them
Starting point is 00:30:07 like doing an active shooter drill. Yeah. And literally like all the littler kids will just start swarming the shooter. And then like all of the bigger kids will like be grabbing guns from like different locations and like shooting. Oh, they have guns. Yeah. So it's like this big like a swarm attack.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Well, the fact they have guns. So like they're basically, all right, look, the little kids are fodder. Yeah. Yeah. That's the idea. But that is like they are kind of using the smaller kids as fodder. I mean, I imagine some scenario. I think about where like you throw out.
Starting point is 00:30:37 you throw a can of soda, for instance, a way, like in a different direction, and he looks the other way, and then by the time he turns around, he sees you and shoots you. No, I'm like, whatever. I mean, you try, but, yeah, just swarming. I mean, like, at least my, my fan,
Starting point is 00:30:51 weird fantasy is, like, diversionary tactics. Right. Their idea is just, no, no, like, that is implicitly, like, some of you will die. But whatever. It's so bizarre. I mean, it's not the worst idea on one level.
Starting point is 00:31:08 I mean, you can see how you could, with that strategy as a school, like, detain a shooter very quickly. It's just so bizarre to look at. I know that the Constitution enshrined this. So don't at me. I get it. I'm just speaking as a disinterested observer. It's a little interesting that, like, we will never do anything about going to even try.
Starting point is 00:31:29 Maybe it won't work, but just try something. No, but we will, hey, shove the kids at him. this might be the answer. I think before we ban guns, let's try this. How many six-year-olds would it take to knock over a shooter? Now, keep in mind, he'll be shooting at them. So it's kind of like, it's kind of calculus or something where you have to like constantly, like,
Starting point is 00:31:54 I mean, I never got that far math where you have to, like, adjust for the things that are changing in the moment, like trigger. I don't know. It's like graphing calculators. That's how many kids would die. There's a graphing calculator issue. um so i don't know what's the tangent of dead kids um it's very interesting i i i applaud them for i mean
Starting point is 00:32:17 i don't want to get into like the weird macabre of it i mean wouldn't it make it easier in some way isn't part of the like because they have to keep going around these locked classrooms and like shooting through the window or something right i mean if you just have a bunch of kids swarm him wouldn't he just like I mean you know yeah I mean you would think that like I'm always surprised more people don't die in these things that's not me hoping I'm just it just seems like if people have enough rounds to kill like you know a thousand puppies and whatever I don't know how these things I don't watch videos of it so what you found I think I found it let's take a look it's really well train for a bunch of um high schoolers
Starting point is 00:33:01 and hoodies so i guess some of the smaller kids this will get this will get this will get us knocked off okay it's uh the parent company we'll show that on another it's a well it's what you imagine but it's what you imagine it's a bunch of kids who look scared and someone's yelling run at the gunman yeah i mean why aren't you a better militia they're not they're not doing like you they're not serpentine serpentine you know Yeah. They get French.
Starting point is 00:33:34 I mean, they can barely get soldiers. This might not be accurate anymore. But I know there's a famous quote from World War II era where like 10 or 20% it's some small number of people who are of soldiers actually fired their gun meaningfully in battle. Like a lot of them will just kind of shove it over your head and spray or just like kind of hide and, you know, shoot, just like a shoot, you know, just like a shooting shot. It was a thing.
Starting point is 00:33:59 And so my point and they had to like, you know, learn how to, you know, mind. control them better and like and beat them down so they became you know killers uh and those are like grown men who are in the army with guns i don't i don't know how you get a kid to like run out you know run out of shoot but i mean and now do we get guns no no that's the bigger kid so they're gonna run at the shooter no you run they get guns you run up the shooter that seems that seems it should be the other way around no because they don't understand combat they're in the range position you're the melee ones else we get hammers and no no none of that you're what we call bullet catchers right I'm not the army doesn't even do that right the army
Starting point is 00:34:44 wasn't like I mean they'll give you a gun you might be fodder but you'll get a gun yeah I mean there are like desperate I mean yeah there are like times oh yeah even the fodder gets a gun no look I mean they're yeah Soviet Russia I think they would have like got you know two guys got a gun when the first guy died you don't pick it up but like that's not we don't model our armies after you know yeah the soviet uh soviet union even like look they did they did they did the number on hitler i guess good for them so oh what this starts so what's going on with this guy again let's let's just finish this up okay yeah um this is quote this
Starting point is 00:35:23 isn't a way to upset you or anything like that keen recalled telling his class of 35 students he added if you can't talk real to them then what's happening in this environment unquote just one week earlier okay so this comes on the heels of the shooting at the Covenant Elementary School in Nashville no you say RIP yeah doesn't feel good enough feel like I say more go ahead rest in ecstasy what kids what no I meant like spiritual ecstasy sure I was just saying like I get that I mean this in this political climate you got that you don't want to It's fine.
Starting point is 00:36:04 Excee is better than peace, right? It's fine. We don't have to cut it. I'm just saying, you know. No, the Bible says ecstasy, I think, sometimes. Yeah. It's just, yeah, it's just whatever. I think of it as like the, like, the Michelangelo's ceiling or something.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Is it Michael, is it Michelangelo? Maybe it's Michelangelo. No, you could be right. I don't know. I didn't know if you knew something I didn't know. I feel like I've heard it pronounced both ways, but. When you say Michelangelo, I just think a Michelangelo Bulture. it later became apparent that someone was obsessed by that someone was upset by keen's assignment
Starting point is 00:36:39 by second period that day keen said some of his students revealed to him that they had been interviewed by school officials about the obituaries and in the middle of seventh period he was told that he'd been fired from his job which he had started in january the three months on the job that is very that is swift this reminds me of when i was in college a history class um there was a teacher who um it was like it was like revolutionary war era history kind of and uh he goes i guess i got something it was like a once a week lecture the night like six p.m. class maybe twice a week he comes in uh he goes i has to go run in my car i have a proper to these lecture and whatever dude okay um he comes
Starting point is 00:37:26 back about five minutes later or so with a he's got a you know a winter coat on like I think a little cap and uh well on his shoulders is a large rifle like a civil I guess a revolution like a musket
Starting point is 00:37:42 I guess but I mean would I know it was a musket I you know if you happen to look at the top sure whatever and he says laughing uh some kid just saw me in the hallway and ran the other way and I guess we laughed I think we're, I think even us, we now look at each other, all right.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Now, keep in mind, I forgot a detail here, about three weeks after 9-11. Oh, my God. So, about 10 minutes later, this is a knock at the door, it's cops. Oh, my God. And he is in front of our eyes arrested by the cops, not dragged the guy. I mean, escorted out of the building. We kind of followed him and watched him get put into a police car. and he's like, get home, you guys, you just go home to save, okay, guys.
Starting point is 00:38:30 And he was back to next week, though. So that's the weirdest part of it. Wow. I mean, I don't know if they charged him. Of course, he didn't do anything wrong, but he did. It's just an insane thing to do. I mean, put it in a gun case. It's a weird thing to not call in ahead of time.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Call ahead. Tell the dean, get clearance for it, maybe have a gun case. for i mean it's a rep i think it's an heirloom maybe it's a maybe it's a replica but either way you probably probably i mean at least from the way you're telling it it seems like he he he was enjoying the spectre of course of course he liked the idea that like you think i'm doing something wrong with i'm a teacher it's like well uh this is a police car get in oh that's great so um yeah what is NBC, he was too new of a hire to qualify for membership to the local teachers union. So he has no administrative method available to seek reinstatement to his job.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Do you think you would get it? The school district statement also knows that Keen was still completing his post-hiring probation. I mean, I've been on probation before. It's a stressful time. You know, when you're on probate. Like, you know, there was a mortgage. It was a probationary period, right? Like, you don't, you know, you screw up once.
Starting point is 00:39:52 I mean, it's not like that bad, but, like, you know, you want. it's the kind of thing when we were a teacher i mean he's not even talking about tenure but just probation like no you you watch your peas and cues that's wrong yeah right yeah for sure you're not watching your peas and cues you're telling children to imagine their death um this i mean this guy we have to get him on the show is this missile could be implemented more swiftly than for a teacher who has furnished a trial period sure i want to hear some of these obituaries i would love to uh i don't think i did anything incorrectly i mean I don't think I did anything incorrectly, Keen-Told Network.
Starting point is 00:40:30 I honestly didn't think a 16, 17, 18-year-old will be offended or upset by talking about something we were already talking about. I mean, I don't like to coddle the youth, right? And what Columbine happened while I was in high school. I mean, partly, this might be partly to blame why I got kicked out high school, you know, from the frenzy over that because the misunderstandings. Because people, you know, after that, people were like, we're not taking any chances.
Starting point is 00:40:55 I didn't do anything, but whatever. right point is these kids you know i don't like to coddle them but they do have to grow up in the era where it's a much more likely situation sure so for the fact that something i mean how old this teacher is maybe he also grew up that way it just seems like a god uh look what are you some little bitch can't imagine getting shot by an assault rifle it's not even an assault rifle you idiots you think it's an assault rifle but it's not even know It's a semi. You don't even know what an assault rifle is
Starting point is 00:41:26 and you're crying about imagining your death. Imagine me a kill and you don't even know what killed you. I think that's an assault, you little idiot. There probably is also nowadays, like, just like a thing. Like, there probably is like, there is probably a new, relatively new sensitivity around, like, asking teenagers to, like, fixate on death too much.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Like, it's like, because there probably is, like, it probably maybe encourages some people to, like, fixate on like suicidal or whatever like it's like Dylan Thomas is the reason people kill themselves maybe I mean but yeah I don't know it was like reading reference I mean you might be right maybe like it might be worse than like it maybe somebody like some adult found one of the kids obituaries and it basically read like you know yeah I mean I think it would kind of like if I found my kids oh his own notebook his self-written obituary I mean would I confuse that for a suicide note Yeah, probably.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Yeah, I would say, hey, let's go see somebody. And he might not know what he's talking about. I mean, you know, who becomes a psychiatrist these days? But I got to do my part. I'm your dad. He might, hopefully he's like more, he's like Robin Williams, get well, hunting or something. And not just some, some journeyman.
Starting point is 00:42:42 But whatever. I kind of like that. He's, like, he's, like, standing his ground so much, though. I mean, well, this is kind of when someone, like, you know, does something to a kid in a trial. they're like, I, a kid asked me to. And it's like, well, you know, that's not really a thing. There's, and there's just like, no, usually, like, especially nowadays,
Starting point is 00:43:00 you'll see, like, some degree, like, small degree of self-reflection. Right. But it's just like, no, I did nothing wrong. I could have worded it differently. I could have, you know, maybe that's the parents or something, even if you didn't mean that, like, oh, hey, this might not have been, how is that, look, if you're trying to get your job back, which I know, you're not in a union, so you can't, I guess. But, like, how does that help you?
Starting point is 00:43:21 How does it help you get hired when like, hey, so you had that, like, even if I, you come into me, I'm a principal. So it seems like you had a misunderstanding there, you know, with the whole teacher thing, you know, just for my own identification. What would you do differently just, you know, if you try, in a situation in the art school? How would you maybe phrase it differently? I would, I would ask them to, in more detail, describe the sensation of a bullet ripping through their heart. and then the sweet release of death. Ooh. It's interesting.
Starting point is 00:43:56 I like this. I would make it more got it. Look. Always more got to be honest. It's kind of a hobby of mine. It's writing novels about school shooting. So I'm going to hire you. I deal the same thing.
Starting point is 00:44:12 No, publishers are always like, who we want to read this? I mean, you spend so much time describing how these child skulls are destroyed in various ways. And they go, that's. Because I'm raw. Yeah. I'm like Hemingway. I'm dark. I'm like Virginia Woolf.
Starting point is 00:44:30 You're hired. Anyway, that guy's crazy. Moving on. Do you have anything else you want to say about him? I don't think so. I mean, this is a... I'd love to get him on the show. Me too.
Starting point is 00:44:43 I would love to just have him. I mean... I bet he's trying to make his case right now. Maybe we could get him on. We should, look, stay tuned for the next episode. So we might have to, to survive in this podcast climate. What else is going on? What should we do?
Starting point is 00:44:59 Oh, so here's one, a Pokemon player. We don't usually cover Pokemon on this show. Oh, Pokemon. Did you collect Pokemon cards as a kid? No, I never, I don't think I ever bought a packet. I had Pokemon Reds for the Game Boy. I had a Game Boy pocket, the clear one that you can see electronics in it. Pocket was a smaller one, but it had a sharper screen.
Starting point is 00:45:19 You could, you know, it was nice. I like to get more pocket. I had Pokemon Red, and I played it a bit. And it was, I didn't see the big attraction. I couldn't get into the show, really. But whatever. I, I know a bit about Pokemon. Were you a big Pokemon kid?
Starting point is 00:45:33 I used, I loved collecting the cards. Okay. But I don't think I knew how to play with them at all. Oh, okay. I forgot you played with the, it's like magic of gathering. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:43 That's not my bag. I just liked having all my little Pikachu's. Right. Looking at them. They're so cute. Like the same. card? I think I had like 10 Pikachu's. Were they different versions of
Starting point is 00:45:54 Pikachu? Or they're the same card? No, they're all the same beautiful Pikachu. You're just to trade them. I wanted to keep them. The whole point, you can't fight. The phrase is you've got to catch them all, not trade some. Well, yeah, catch all the different versions, not all of the
Starting point is 00:46:10 Pikachu's. I don't know much about this, but I know like they have like weird, like it's like if you're... Oh, no, I totally misinterpreted at the point of time. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think there's water, water monsters who fire water and then electrocutes Pikachu maybe I'm ashamed to say I might know that I'm pretty sure mine were my cards were all yeah that makes sense because my cards were all little babies I never got the babies I never really got the big boys I don't understand
Starting point is 00:46:32 what that means you know squirtle versus whatever the grown-up squirrelal is oh they have evolved they evolve right I don't know much about that I know they evolve I was pretty young I don't I got the concept of it at all I was just like I like the baby Pokemon's like unlike humans who were born in God's image I know Pokemon do evolve but uh so but in this case a Pokemon player of uh i get was he was he a trading card player these are oh these are pictures of Pikachu just like you were talking about yeah is what you had okay well i guess so a teen Pokemon player was booted from a tournament after laughing at pronoun question let's see what happens so teenager
Starting point is 00:47:20 Teenager Teenager Makatron Hopefully I pronounce that right Detailed his disqualification from a Pokemon trading card game Tournament in Charlotte after appearing to laugh After being asked his pronouns by a judge According to Tran's account on social media He appeared to have made the judge
Starting point is 00:47:45 Of the six round uncomfortable by giving an awkward laugh Upon being asked his pronouns. first of all look i want to make something clear um trans people non-binary i've known them not a ton i mean but you know more than some and uh i'll always you know unless you make a mistake whatever you always use the pronouns they want now i'm not saying you know yeah if you don't want do that i don't i can't force you to do it whatever but i always do i support using people the pronouns people want I mean I don't know if I never had to call someone zir I'm not sure if I would do it well but you know but I don't think I'd handle it I don't know if I'd handle that
Starting point is 00:48:25 well but they that you know whatever sure I if someone asked me what my I would I would just not answer I mean I wouldn't start screaming at them but say what your pronouns what you get come on why are you asking me my problem enough I get it there's a a place for this but this idea we're like we're going to change the way humans interact now and every interaction has a what are your pronoun like no right like it was it was a most of the time you can tell if someone needs pronouns I think yeah if you feel like you should ask beforehand uh you asked maybe their friend hey uh just want to confirm pronouns you don't do in the middle of public thing hey what hey obvious guy who's obviously a guy yeah which i know is like
Starting point is 00:49:14 the worst thing you could say now but like come on right I'm not I guess inclusive doesn't mean we have to completely reshape uh salutations right what happened to salutations in this country I I like true I like my salutations traditional right yeah I mean I think that like it's a it's always like it's a weird line across where it's like like why should somebody you shouldn't be able to enforce that somebody cares about themselves getting misgendered. Right. You know, like if you don't care, if people don't put, you know, I've heard like some
Starting point is 00:49:53 particularly weird people on the left, like, you know, cast aspersions at other people for like you're not putting pronouns in the, for the person not putting pronouns in their bio or something. Right. And it's like, as like some indication of like a lack of support. And it's like, and it's like, no, like, look, on a personal level, if you don't care about somebody like misgendering you or you just don't think it's likely to happen. that's your business.
Starting point is 00:50:16 That's just as annoying as people who like, the mere fact that they'll look at your profile on Twitter for instance and you have pro, like you say something they don't like, they'll go look at your profile. Ah, do you have pronouns in your profile? I mean, like,
Starting point is 00:50:30 it's just, on both cases, just seems very try hard. Right. I guess the logic is that like, well, if everyone asks everyone that no one has to feel left out or feel weird for bringing it up. I think, look, that would be nice,
Starting point is 00:50:42 but it's not going to happen. Yeah, look, it would be cool. I guess it would be cool if, like, language, if language could just be rigidly structured that way. But, like, I don't know. But also, like, obviously it wouldn't. Like, part of what, I mean, part of what makes, like, you know, language even possible is that there's, like,
Starting point is 00:51:03 a degree to which it's organic. Yeah. Like, you can have structured, like, changes in the language when they serve a purpose. Why are we stopping a pronouns? How can, what is your participle? What's your purpose? Preferred participle.
Starting point is 00:51:15 I'm not sure what that means. Yeah. What is a participle? I have no idea. That's when you get to the real shit. His pronouns are for fucking, or for fucking amateurs. I'm into particibles now.
Starting point is 00:51:28 You plebs haven't even experienced the realms of identity that are possible. I got commas you don't even know to do with. Hey, what are you going to do with this semicolon, bitch? But yes, this kid, I guess, laughed. nervously. I mean, look, if he, if he started laughing and started, you know, making
Starting point is 00:51:49 trans, uh, uh, what the, you know, uh, slurs. Yeah, I might, I might, you know, that's not cooth. Yeah, then fair enough. That's on cooth. Uh, but yeah, like this, honestly, this kid, the door the occasion he did, by the way. Yeah, no, no, that actually, yeah, I'll just keep reading it. According to trans account on social media, or anyway, I read that one, quote, on our way over to the, to the stream area, the judge asked us for our preferred pronouns. This is, Tran talking. Or this isn't even in front of the stream. No, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Oh my God. No. Yeah, this is just one uptight judge who like got him bounced, I guess. Like, I thought like it was like it was kind of a, I assumed it was on like the stream or TV or wherever it was. And it was like, you know, that's bizarre. Okay, you go, keep going. That's crazy. I said, um, he or him or, uh, and I paused trying to think of the third pronoun, the third pronoun being his.
Starting point is 00:52:43 as I just stood there looking stupid trying to think of the third pronoun I felt embarrassed because I was failing to think of a simple word due to the nerves and me being embarrassed I let out a little laugh just a normal nervous laugh my response together ended up being
Starting point is 00:52:57 he or him or ha ha his Jesus he got banned for that if he's telling the truth which I have no reason this sounds pretty honest yeah it sounds like something I'm like, you know, it's more self-aware than usual high schooler would be, right?
Starting point is 00:53:16 Like, the idea, I, I, I, I, and high schoolers are, like, giggling little idiots. Like, they kind of, the kind of kid who would laugh, like, aggressively, right? Like, if he was, like, I got, and trying to cover it up. I don't, I mean, I just don't, instantly don't feel like he'd be like, look, I just felt like, I look at a real moron. That's something I would say. Yeah. You know, like, I just felt like the biggest fat, dumbass in the world.
Starting point is 00:53:38 I just, I wanted to hang myself in front of everyone because I couldn't remember his I said please god cut my cut my pig heart open um wow this is um he also described a follow-up situation this guy's in high school he's 17 yeah I mean I come on no this is crazy this is uh this is I don't know what um the problem is who you like I would love to to jump on the side of like hey this shouldn't happen the only issue is like who we're teaming up with um in this case fox news well not just fox do i just be like it'd be so much easier if like if like there wasn't like a ton of people just uh call them all you know pedophiles and yeah yeah whatever i'm just saying but this is insane this is literal insanity yeah this is like also yeah i mean i feel like i just
Starting point is 00:54:35 I mean you've experienced that to be true too right it's just that like teenagers in particular they'll laugh at everything oh there's a kid I remember the original you've seen the original scared straight it was when they brought they brought kids like high school kids to a prison right and this guy and they had a reunion like back in the 90s or 2000s I watched they showed the original and there was this guy uh who's getting in the face of one of these kids like some opie looking kid you know some red-headed skinny kid gawky and like he was kind of like you know it's not like they're really going to hit you but they get in your face and start and starts like uh you bitch i'm gonna eat you know what i'm gonna do you if you come this prison
Starting point is 00:55:16 oh me and my boys we're gonna shove you into this corner we're gonna what i don't know it was the 70s it might just say we'll rape you but uh and he was like kind of laughing a little bit they got worse yeah you know and then escalated And he's talking about it. He's like, look, I was a kid. It was like, now it was like 10, 20 years later. I, I had this nervous laugh, which I didn't bring up just because I was so nervous. But, like, you know, I have a nervous laugh.
Starting point is 00:55:42 And I gotten over it and I'm older. But that's why. So the guy, he thought I was laughing at him and his threats to rape me. But I just, I laugh when I get nervous. Now, maybe he's a liar. I don't know. Maybe he was just like, I'll never go to prison. I'm, I'm from a good family, bitch.
Starting point is 00:56:02 or something like that and like you know whatever but I assume he was wasn't lying and I assume this guy's probably not lying yeah oh and then there's like okay so there's one more part to the story and he was laughing it seems like even if he was like what yeah I think honestly the guy would hate me because I I think I support trans people whatever but like if you ask him my porn I'm like I wouldn't even say he him like I'm good whatever whatever I would just say whatever no what are you front of I'm not answering that. I'm just not offended by people using it.
Starting point is 00:56:37 I just, the idea that I have to now say my, it just. It's just like, it's just what's, it's so annoying when people are just like clearly ignoring the obvious. Right. It's like, yeah. This has to be everything now. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Like we know when we need them, we'll use them. And also it's like, why are they doing this weird, like mini inquisition right before they go to stream? They're about to jump, dump a charzer on a squid. bitch or whatever they're called hey by the way how do you identify by the way like speaking to the mic and tell us your pro like it's like what this couldn't have been filled out in an email form so two two I have a question in two parts one how what method you did you use to evolve your squirtle and two at what age did you realize
Starting point is 00:57:25 that you were a man I'm waiting No, this, and I, look, it's, who ran this fucking thing? Honestly, I could see that becoming a thing. Like, like, not only, it's like, not only could you list your pronouns, but could you list how long you've had those pronouns for? So, look, I mean, what, I thought the whole point was, like, for people to care less about gender. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:50 To be less, like, like, to be more pliable, to be more like, look, it's usually a way things go, but sometimes it doesn't, don't make a big deal about it, and people should do what they want, right? As long as you don't hurt anybody. And now it's just like, this is everything. This is, before you feed your children, I want you to write your confession, your gender confession.
Starting point is 00:58:18 There is a little bit more to the story that's interesting. So he also described a follow-up situation where the judge once again asked him and his fellow player Alex Schimanski for their pronouns. Tran admitted that he laughed at the end of his answer once again because of his nerves. Quote, the little laugh at the end
Starting point is 00:58:34 was because I was trying not to be awkward and because it's such like a teenager thing. Like, I was just laughing because I was trying about not be awkward. That was a way just kind of awkward. I was trying not to be awkward and because I was just stating
Starting point is 00:58:48 the exact thing Alex had just stated and it was kind of silly to me in that scenario, Tran wrote. So I guess he's referring to the fact that he's being asked again to give his pronouns. Which is kind of weird. Yeah. The judge apparently responded, quote, okay, just wanted to check to be safe. I go by they, them, so don't be a jerk
Starting point is 00:59:06 about it, unquote. I mean, I was never going to refer to you, but okay. I was never going to think about you again after this moment. That's such, look, honestly, I'm thinking of trouble for saying this. It's always a they, them. No, I don't mean. I would say, like, if you're, You're like, I imagine it's one thing to get, like, to get labeled a, to get misgendered as, like, I'm, I'm presenting as a woman, like, and someone called me a man. And like, let's not, let's cut the shit. We all know people do that aggressively, right?
Starting point is 00:59:41 And I get, you know, I'm not saying people should be put in jail for that, but it's shitty. It's a shitty thing to do. Even if you, even if you, even if you, you hate the idea of the, of transgender, it's still, you must know it's a shitty thing. You beat your, you're not being cool. You're not being chill, right? You're kind of being a dick.
Starting point is 00:59:58 You're definitely being a dick if you're on purpose. Sure. And so it happens by accident, whatever. But like, if you're born a man and, like, someone calls you him instead of they, I don't know. It just seems like someone who doesn't know you, like, don't be a dick about it. It's such a weirdly aggressive thing. It seems like this person, it's part of the fun of it all. It's almost as if it's part of the fun.
Starting point is 01:00:21 It's like, I get to yell us. I get to mistreat young people now. It's almost as if making any given situation about you is kind of appealing to some. I know you think that you're competing here, but I'm they, them. So watch your ass. Don't fuck with me. And I love how it's like, it kind of does admit something that it's like, it's not inherently evil or anything, but it does kind of admit something that I've always sort of suspected,
Starting point is 01:00:53 which is that the whole pronoun circle thing. It's really exclusively for the benefit of they, them people most of the time. Like to the point where it's like you're, it's not even really about trans people. It's not even really about like, like, trans women and trans men. It's usually on purpose, I feel like. Yeah. Like, but it's like except for in the case of they them because that's the one pronoun that's not like usually intuitive based on like anything physical. And they just know, and there is no barrier to that.
Starting point is 01:01:22 Right. I mean, there's no barrier to anything technically, but like, yeah, you could just, you just, you, You could just not, you know, believe in the, in the theoretical nature of gender. And that's what, whatever. But it's like, it's like, it's like, okay, so this whole reconstruct, this whole super specific reconstruction of the way we're introducing ourselves. Yeah. It's really got nothing to do with most trans women, nothing to do with most trans men.
Starting point is 01:01:46 It's got to do specifically with, like, non-binary, they, them people. Like, you know, like this, the, it's like, so this isn't about trans women. rights really um well i don't know how the umbrella nomenclature works but yeah i see your point yeah how dare you say i'm not friends i don't know i don't know what these people um with this guy or i'm sorry um they would they believe i was a dick i'm sorry anyway uh this kid and they uphold this right After the encounter, Tram was confronted by the head judge prior to the game who asked him exactly what he said to the previous judge. Oh, my God, what a nightmare.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Oh, this is Brazil. Terry Gilliams, Brazil. Tran explained his answer while admitting that his nerves caused him to laugh, leading the head judge to escort him off the game stage. What? He described, this is where it really escalated. The head judge tells me that he was sorry and that sucked by, which is disqualified due to Pokemon's.
Starting point is 01:02:54 What does that mean when they put sick? not sure sick policy it's it's s i cc but it's kind of funny uh Pokemon sick policy at this point i'm at the verge of tears but i tried my best to keep my composure i just couldn't understand what was happening i mean look let's be honest if you're playing in a Pokemon tournament you're not exactly like the archetype of gender normative behavior i mean or like you're not you're not the uh the captain of the football team you know you're not you're not you're not the homecoming king you got the quarterback you know right it doesn't mean you I'm just saying you're already like this kid's probably not like the alpha male of his school you know
Starting point is 01:03:35 like he says this might be his only refuge from being like you know getting picked on himself for various reasons uh maybe not look at this day and age maybe Pokemon players are the alphas I don't know I imagine there's a good chance this kid's not exactly killing it socially right he goes to this tournament this is one thing that he thinks will like you know give him esteem it probably doesn't work out that way most of the time tries to tell like women maybe that like hey i'm a i'm a i'm a i'm a pokey one guy yeah some other like nerdy girl yeah yeah and then she's like uh all right cool uh but whatever he's going he goes and this is one time to shine and uh this happens to he's he's just made he's met with a tribunal oh man a goddamn gender tribunal because he didn't he couldn't remember the the the
Starting point is 01:04:22 third pronoun this is crazy oh man um did i did we read the rest of that paragraph at this point i'm on the verge of tears but i tried my best to keep my composure i just couldn't understand what was happening was the judge just not just not listening to anything i had just told him was he trying to look at my side of the story at all no no Trent emphasized frustration in the news repeatedly stressing that he had never had a problem with using pronouns well it's like it's like you know I'm trying to think of the analogy here it's like you can fire a gun in practice but not in real life I don't know I wish I had Dylan Thomas said that the amount of frustration I felt and still feel is just insane I've
Starting point is 01:05:12 never been treated so unbelievably unfairly and had such an opportunity take just taken from me for something I didn't even do the judge said which he believed I had no meant meant intention I mean look even if I always got wait go fund me to do what help her fund his travel expenses as to the fund rate I mean this kid raised $1,500 to go to a Pokemon tournament I mean the go fund me whatever I mean but like yeah he paid $1,500 to go over a Pokemon tournament I guess so and they fucking disqualify Jeez. But also, like, that's crazy. I guess they're making money at this, perhaps.
Starting point is 01:05:48 Yeah, I think the idea is maybe you win money. I mean, it makes it weirder and worse on all levels. Just this guy kept, I mean, one, because the guy kept, the person kept them from making money, potentially. But also just kids like, you know, making money of Pokemon, which I don't like. I don't know the idea of that. If anyone, you know, earning money with Pokemon.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Keep it pure. so that's crazy i don't know what to tell you uh we should wrap us up but i do want to uh cover one thing quickly just because we burled up in the intro that's probably these intros we don't get to something and it's like what and what was he talking about and it was kind of a strange thing new york is under attack i said right oh yeah so i feel like we should because people what does that mean right yeah so i don't want to leave that dangling uh we have a story what what is this about is marjorie telegreen came to new york she came to new york she came to new York to support Donald Trump during his arraignment oh right he was arraigned this week yeah sorry it
Starting point is 01:06:49 wasn't the lead story but you know how many weeks in a row is this this took so long from the time we found out we i feel like every show over the past few weeks we've been like teasing with like well trump's going to get the rest of tomorrow cares he went he went he took him i don't know he went back to florida non story but marjorie taylor green got hers apparently so let's see we'll go over this quickly Measure Tled Green calls New York City disgusting, filthy, and repulsive. All right. George representative calls a city a terrible place after visit.
Starting point is 01:07:25 I mean, did you see Wicked? Because you're not getting into Wicked. Is that the problem? What do you think about that? What do you think about this lady? This out of towner. It reminds me of John Rocker. I mean, he's what he.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Oh, I can't remember. repeat what he said but like he was a baseball player um i think a pitcher who um well you got you guys can look it up i feel like if i repeat what he said it was this is going to be a problem for the censors it was it was it was pretty visible even so what am i going to go new are gonna sit in the dirt filthy subway like some pregnant whatever and some uh joan and like a junkie with aids or something oh man yeah all this it's like and worse things this is tame compared to that yeah um so like i don't know i don't know why these people are trying to be like these like you know shock comics but they can't even do what a baseball player does yeah that's what they based
Starting point is 01:08:23 kenny powers on i think is john rocker oh he's that first statement that's yeah that's great yeah great show um rip who's dead one of the guys from the i forget his name but one of the writers Sorry, we'll have them on the table at the wedding. I'm sorry, I don't need to bring the mood down. I compare it to what I called Gotham City. What's the, I mean, I know they call it Gotham. It's got like Gotham City. Yeah, it's not your name for it.
Starting point is 01:08:56 It's not what I call Gotham City. It's Gotham City, the very highly recognized comic book place. Well, Gotham City is a comic book. I mean, New York is sometimes called Gotham. Yeah. Like, but never Gotham City. Yeah. Idiot.
Starting point is 01:09:12 The streets are filthy. They cover people basically dying on drugs. They can't even stand up. They're not covered with them. They're around. You know, I mean, I'm not going to lie. You know, you can walk. You walk over people occasionally.
Starting point is 01:09:27 It's a skid row. They're falling over. Sometimes people fall over. Sure. I've seen it. There's so much crime in the city. I can't comprehend how people live there. Have you been to Halal guys?
Starting point is 01:09:41 You had the falafel. It's fantastic. so what if is it oh this guy fell down next to me and he's dying i can't eat a falafel you're lost the blogger aaron ruper responded imagine if the i'll be quoting bloggers imagine if the new york city progressive a oc went on msnbc and said this about a town in marjorie teler greens district i mean enough with the calling people hypocrites yeah of course people everyone's a hypocrite imagine what they would say so what you just just say what they would say Just, why don't you just shit on Georgia?
Starting point is 01:10:12 Yeah. Sorry, you know, people, you know, I'm sorry that, you know, people in our town know how to drink, don't drink water out of a, the same jar that grandpa pisses in. Just make stuff up. Yeah, or just shit on her. Like, it's like, I think you smell. Yeah. I bet your pussy smells like garbage.
Starting point is 01:10:34 What are you known for peaches? Peaches fucking suck. Get lost of your peaches, bitch. That's why I would say. I was a mayor of New York. Is she from Georgia? I didn't it say Georgia? The Georgia Republican.
Starting point is 01:10:48 Oh, she, okay, all right. Greening him to speak and park outside the courthouse of Manhattan. She was jostled and drowned out by whistle blown by counter-protesters. I think the, well, I'm pretty sure the whistle guy was a guy who was a pro-Trump guy. you're just handing out whistles they were told at one point someone was like interviewing them and they were like uh why you're hanging out these whistles like you know you're trying to get more of your chelle green like i don't know what's got i'm something it's a day for whistling it's a day for noise and any day for talking it was like they're for trump yeah but whatever i mean sure why don't get that right um so yeah
Starting point is 01:11:29 there's not much to say about this i mean it's just yeah look there's some dirt in the city yeah it's a big it's the greatest city in the world doesn't mean what you would you if you don't have people dying on a streets your city sucks we know the twin cities Minnesota Minneapolis you know no one dies on the streets in the in a in white plains New York right yeah what's no in Cleveland maybe Cleveland maybe Cleveland yeah that's just that's just a big suburb yeah look they have a few buildings it's fine you know it's just like look yeah who who who is building your your amazing culture you have in your York if you don't have, you know, drug addicts dying and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, amazing
Starting point is 01:12:15 culture, like, uh, what's that, there's a new, there's a new Broadway play about corn. Oh, right. Uh, it's just called corn in the musical. You don't get, you don't get corn the musical without a few, uh, heroin addicts, uh, you know, popular dying on the streets on your way to work. Yeah. Those are all the, all the people, all the people, all the heroin addicts dying on the street, those are the people who didn't get cast in corn the musical.
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