Kump - 19 - Don't Make Friends at the Gas Station

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

Ray discusses Metal music, how he relates to his gas station attendant, and the fall of Game of Thrones. 

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I feel we jumped into things too quickly. How are you? I went to a concert this weekend in New Jersey. I mean, none of the bands were anything particularly wanted to see. There was a... I mean, dance was the dead. I don't know. We've heard of them. There was a synth wave band.

My friend likes them. We were playing Rocket League, and he's playing the goddamn music. And it is pretty good. So you want to come see these guys? Sure. and the headlining there was opening the headlining band

is a thing called Avatar which I don't know how many of you kids out there were metal fans I've never been that in the metal I mean I don't understand

I get you know I like them the music's fine the fast your fingers move and the guitar it's fine

I don't mind it but these kids are all very sad a lot of the time you know they have depression I don't know

I'm not mad of depression people people, you know, people who were sad, but, you know, I just never, it's like at one point he says, because they have a good show, these avatar guys, they have his face makeup, and the guys, you know, he's in the drone and the fucking light show, and everyone's just fucking loving it, and they're high-fiving, and this is great, and they're moshing, I guess. I was by the bar, yeah, it was like my, it was like an Alice Cooper knockoff or my chemical romance,

but harder, you know, they're like, you know, I like my chemical romance, but, you know, They did the whole, I'm wearing, you know, a marching band, but pretending this is a medieval clothing kind of thing. Like, they're wearing these fucking, like, these big button things, which I think they think are, like, you know, military things. But they really just look like marching band clothing. But it works. You know, everyone's in a uniform.

They look good. At one point, they go and like, look, how are you feeling you're sad? And it's like, you know, look, sometimes life sucks. That's why we're here to help you out. and like going this whole thing and I get it but like I don't know that's why I never like metal

because everyone's just like you know we don't fit in or outsiders and we never like why I don't want to be like I'd always rather just be you know

castigated and thrown to the wolves than to be a part of some you know group of outsiders never liked the idea of that and never liked the idea of like you know

finding you know emotional support where the guy who works at a gas station maybe we're at a gas station that's fine but I mean like but that's my like relationship to you you know where the guy who works at my gas station

is like you know when you go home you're you're a man or a woman and you have children who suckle your teeth and you have relationships and people but like you're a guy who pumps my gas so like you know I don't want to tell you about how you know sometimes I think about you know incest too much

I don't know there's much too much incest porn and I think it makes me a bad person you know i don't want to tell with my gas station guy or even the guy who's like you know selling CDs to the gas station that neither one uh anyone hangs out of gas stations but that's not the venue where you should meet people uh it's not like you know i don't want to like by political conversations to happen at a gas station or 7-11 similar idea you know if i see if you know i could be friends of anyone at a 7-Eleven but i I don't want to meet you, excuse me, I don't want to meet you at a 7-Eleven.

I don't want that to be our nexus, our relationship, like, that seems weird. You should expect more. Like, you know, I work in a place where there's, like, people who wash the dishes and, you know, they're like a janitorial service, I guess. I don't know. And, like, they're fine. I don't care. I don't talk to, like, 99.9% of people who work there at all, alone, like, some people get all like, oh. these people are crazy and they're saying they're going to say this whole

year I would never complain about anything they do and I'm not saying I'm not complaining like I'm rat in the matter or anything but sometimes it's get the guy the garbage caning like just purposely gets in my way and it's like not purposely but just kind of like there's no reason for to be like him to be carrying four trash cans at once and always be I digress my point is I brought up once because we're talking about like something that was annoying and oh you can't

question that and it's like you're the class salute the psychopath have because you're afraid to even like bring up the fact that that guy like put the trash in there kind of passive aggressively oh because they make less money you don't even know how much money they make you probably make shit money you fucking what you want you want to these people want to be in a position where they can go I um I I can't I look down on this I can't fucking you know I can't fucking question what they do because I you know they make they probably make very little money and they're like you know they probably doing I mean it might make that great who knows the point is though like

but it's the job like yeah that guy's not like I assume this might be this guy's second job who gives a shit like you know he's doing stuff he's grinding I've had shit jobs it's like I don't think I'm better than anyone inherently I mean there's plenty of people like me do I think I'm better than but you know

not because they fucking work somewhere or they do something it's just you know when you talk to someone it's just like they start telling you how they fucking don't like bugles or something and like well you're an idiot you know like I've never I would never fucking eat a hot pocket it's like yeah I know they're not great but you never eat a hot pocket

you're pretending like you're always eating Amy's what's that vegan brand amies I don't eat Amy's mac and cheese I don't eat Kraft mac and cheese it's like it's your preference of fine but like don't tell me you would never eat go oh it's disgusting because of cancer you know

what you even know about can't what is what I'm saying this is the kind of things where I'm like I'm better than you I have to be better than that person I'm just like I don't like I'm not saying if you eat Amy's but you know the fact you're gonna bring it up to me and be like oh I don't focus you eat craft I'm like yeah I get at a corporation and it's fucking you know you don't want to be eating corporate food all the time but like

don't like you never eat it I have fucking frozen pizza yesterday it was fine I had a pizza pizza from the concert it was like in some kind of you know receptacle they put like the pretzels in or something it was all right it was fine you know I was out there and I'm in Sayerville, New Jersey. And they fucking, you know, whatever. It's like, you know, there was nothing around but the VFW Hall. I could have tried my luck there.

Maybe they had big hoagie, a big fucking hero, party hero. Best thing ever. Side note. I mean, they should make a Patreon where all you do is buy, it's like, you don't support my art. You just buy me a hoagie.

But, like, I want a chunk of a party hero. I like the idea of knowing that there's more like I can get more, but that it's I don't know, again, this might sound socialist, I don't know, but I like the idea of, like, this is your chunk of the party hero. There's a big party hero.

This is the idea is it's whimsical to me. Like, there's a party hero, and here's a chunk of it. And, like, there's nine feet of this, but here's, you know, here's three inches or six inches. I guess six inches are good. They're pretty thick.

They're taller, and the bread's really Italian bread. So, you know, it's not like subway where it's like, here's your foot, which is really, what, like, 11 inches, they say? here's your 11 inches of like wet bread that I made that up I think someone else I don't want to steal someone's line

wet bread sounds like I'm taking that from someone but you get you know it's a great line so credit to whoever wrote it probably someone's famous and rich and I'm just fucking going I don't want to steal your line like hey you can use it on your podcast

they probably would say that they saw like you I'm sitting in a closet you know surrounded by like dirty underwear and the you know what else I got here a couple of shoe organizers that we use to organize things we put our things as a shoe organizer

not shoes but other things you know socks and underwear and like that like Dane Cook if it was Dane Cook's long he'd see that and go like look I know my brother stole like $100 million for me but like you're a disgusting animal and you can use that sub line about wet bread because I don't

I just want to leave and not talk to you anymore so I'm not going to like engage of you and tell me you know what to say it and then he spit on me and then even though he said he wanted to leave, he would start hitting me with a shoe and I wouldn't take it, but like, I mean, like, yeah, reality is he might, you know,

he's a rich guy, he might be studying, might have studied jiu-mix martial arts. Here's a fucking pair of socks. Honestly, I mean, I'm a kidding. I fucking, I need to order more socks because, uh, I mean, I don't know where they go. I mean, I had like two full bags of them and now I have like a rotating thing of four pairs.

Is this a fucking thing too? Holy shit. Is Lucy been hoarding socks on me? This is three pairs of socks. Wait, four pairs of socks. This is not a bit. I just discovered four pairs of socks on top and folded laundry.

Another fucking pair of socks. What's going on? Holy shit. Six pairs of socks. Lucy's asleep right now. I'm in the clock. Why is? the podcast not me going through my clothes because this is fascinating i'm in the closet just

paint a picture again lucy's asleep you know she's she's a heavy sleep so i'll have to yell you know yell in your ear to wake her up you know when this is done i've been missing socks for months i've been like wearing them longer and they should because you know i can't do laundry every two days it's just paint it's not like it's a pain he has to do and i've been like kind of meaning to order socks and it's never get around and i i just found literally on top of this there's like a pile of folded clothes six pairs of socks that were buried underneath this is fucking I should be shot in the face this is my podcast I mean if you're

doing it to my Patreon thank you um maybe we'll have the pot the sock updates on the Patreon only feed that we start uh because this is probably not but this is for to me this moves me you this is called Kump and you're curious about what drives Kump you've heard you've all heard me talk about the morgue and the jail and the mosquito lab and my you know take on economics and but you want to know more about what drives a man who does these things and says these things like this is it i get excited about finding six pairs of socks i think anyone would this is

oh shit this is a different set of socks but no seven seven pairs this is a big day for me you know sock i mean i think sinatra um i think it was sinatra never wore um um a pair of socks twice if you ever put on a fresh pair of socks you remember they're not that expensive if you if you don't remember the feeling go buy a new bag of socks because it's not bad it's like what 10 bucks 15 bucks you get six socks well 12 but six pairs put it on it feels amazing right it's soft it's cushiony and like look sinatra made money i mean he was married to maryl monroe or he just he just beat her i don't know uh he hit her He was with Monroe, right?

I don't remember. It doesn't matter. DiMaggio, was it Frank? Look, I'm sure he, you know, beat her at the very least. And the point is he had money. And one, I'm sure he indulged in a lot of luxuries, but one of them was, I'm never going to wear a pair of socks twice. And I get that because I could almost afford that. I mean, the amount you spend on coffee and soda, I could afford that.

You don't have to make that much money to be able. to be able to afford that. I mean, to be able to say, well, it's not a stupid good move. Yeah, maybe. But you could afford

to not wear socks more than once. And that's an interesting thing. Maybe I will do that. Because, like, that would just give me confidence. Not that I need confidence anymore. I got plenty of confidence.

Like, people must stay confidence for, like, thinking you're going to succeed. I mean, I'm saying in general certain things. People go like, oh, you know,

you should have more confidence. Like, no, I'm just not going to win this triathlon. Like, I'm at the moment, I'm very fat, and I've been for a while. You know, I could get in shape again. I ran five miles a day, you know, at this point, I mean, five, six years ago, who knows? But, you know, I'm not lying about that, but, you know, I have to do the work. People, you know, you'll, you say that guy's funnier to me, but, oh, don't say that. Like, why?

It's true. It's like, I don't think I could not get funnier. But, like, you know, there's a certain people, maybe it's a lack of inherent. confidence but people tend to like overcompensate my opinion for uh like any kind of pursuit when you like i mean don't don't let get you down but i'm a guy who i'm a realist i like knowing i like logic like knowing the fucking thing uh whatever the reality is so it's like you know if i if i if i uh need to if i uh need to you know what i would lose 100 pounds to do this thing and it's like probably gonna do that soon like we won't say that well no but i

I have to do the fucking work, but I'm not going to do the work. I know I'm not going to do the work. I don't want it that bad. I'm like, is the people, like, think there's a whimsy to these youth. You can do anything you want. I mean, it can, but, like, look at yourself. Do you really think you're going to? At a certain point, you got to know yourself and know you're like, you know, your tendencies.

You know, I'm a smart guy who procrastinates and is not particularly well organized and I'm messy. I can, you know, curb the messiness, but it's still my inherent. go-to and uh i like stuff and you know fucking salty fast food in my face it's just some fucking burritos some cheese puffs i love that so it's like yeah you get in shade but like you you got no like alcoholic knows they want to drink they don't fuck around they're like yeah i can't have one drink because i'll fucking start you know i'll start pulling my dick out and or whatever i mean that's i don't want to stigmatize alcoholics i mean they

all pull the, I mean, I don't mean, like, in a regressive way, pulling their dicks out. But, you know, whatever. The point is, you know, I mean, I'm not saying alcoholics are all me too guys. I mean, you know, the guy from Ren. Stimpy. If you listen to All right was disgusting this weekend, you'll find out that, you know, one of my, not personal icons per se, but, you know, I loved Redden Stimpy growing up, and I learned to respect even more when I got older. And John Kay was an outspoken, I don't know, critic of animation. I mean, I didn't read his blog that much, but my friend's show. I mean, like, this guy's really cool.

And Ren Stimby is great. And, you know, in the animation style, probably influenced a lot of shit. And I find out, I mean, this has happened a while ago. I mean, Lucy's like, I was talking about Ren Stibby. He's like, oh, you know, we got me too. And he's like fucking, you know, corresponding with teenage girls. And like, not that matters, but they look even younger than 16. Like, you know, it was no good.

No good. What did I bring it up? I don't know. it was a slightly depressing not in a way of like you know look the people who fucking annoy me the ones who go

you know this guy was you know if you were oh this guy was ever talented you know like like the whole louie if he's fucking he wasn't the show it's never funny you fuck you I mean this is a complex dark murky world we're talented people shitty

and nice people suck at things and there's other things in between sometimes talented people are nice and you know the opposite it doesn't matter that that's the human condition that's i mean this is the thing this is what art used to i don't know what people expect that are art they want i mean i'm saying you should expect you know people to solicit 16 year old girls but you know the yeah just the lack of uh an appreciation of the murkiness of life it's like you know

like you know what made the 70s cinema interesting wasn't the anti-hero per se in my opinion like you know the fact that they studied darker people it was you know studying the kind of great area between everything and you know look at apocalypse now if you haven't seen apocalypse now I mean you don't I mean you're old enough to listen to this podcast and like if you listen to this and you haven't watched apocalypse now like stop listening to this I guess and go watch apocalypse now because like I'm not as good as apocalypse now I mean that's the other thing like I don't know what podcast you'd have to have where I'd be like well this episode's better than apocalypse now this is this is clearly superior to like that film

insane. I mean, I guess you can't watch Apocalypse now while you're driving a forklift or if you're on a forklift, I mean, you know, cool. Because that's a if you're in a potato bread warehouse, I'm with you. I, you know, I used to listen to the podcast while I was listening, you know,

or street economics or whatever the fuck. Well, I was in a potato bread warehouse. So, mazel taff or whatever. But, uh, yeah, the murkiness of a pot, you know, like, it's like, it's, it's not about, war is hell or you know this guy's doing bad shit

it's like you know Kurtz is pure evil no one's denying that this thing he's evil but he's making sense like you can make you can be correct you can make sense I mean that's the reality the murkiness of like sometimes the correct thing is the evil thing but that's correct in the sense that you should

do it but like the lot like there's a weird ambiguity in between sometimes like there's a thing of knowing you don't do the thing I'm not going to trying to condense it. The point is the thought, the question. I mean, you look at, you know,

full metal jacket. It's like, you know, it's an anti-war film. Like, Cooper's saying, over the weekend, we're talking about it. Yeah, Kubrick says in an interview or something, you want to make an anti-war film. He just wanted to make a fucking, you know, a real war, film about war. But yeah, it's clearly a fucking, you know, it's just playing

of critical, I mean, the guy's not an idiot, the guy's smart than you, Kubrick, he fucking knows, you know, he fucking saw what's really going on and uh it's dark it gets to the horror of war but like the point is like you don't need to beat people over the head with it nor should it's like you don't it shouldn't be it's not desirable for that you don't fucking want that like and the people who would go well is he taking the stand in you just like I don't know what you think the role of an artist in society is

for that matter of philosopher even like these are the great questions that don't have answers like there might be some answers at some time like morality I'm not saying like it's all subjective I'm saying the point is that these are ambiguities their tendencies they're like you know the whole idea of you know do you do this to the greater goodness and like

is this evil even though it saves more people it's like these are the things that you grapple with there is never going to be even though there might be a concrete answer in one situation you don't have it for the other I'm not talking more moral relativism I'm talking with the fact that like these are fucking things

as you grapple, like the understanding the parameters of thought, and the parameters of morality, and like, you know, the understanding consequences of morality. If you were just, you know, if you were just going to sit there and go, like, you know, moral absolutism or whatever, well, no, this is definitely evil. Sure, but what's that telling you?

What's that informed? Like, how was that enriching your perspective at all? It's not. You fucking, you know, you understand the, some, that, the potential price of benevolence. You know, you show mercy and that guy ends up killing your kid, you know, does it mean you never show mercy? No, but you understand, you know,

you grapple with all the different, you know, permutations of fucking possibilities that happen when you take certain courses of action. Like, these are the kind of things that, you know, these are the, if there's any practical gain from philosophy and thought, like, yeah, these are the things, like, you know, understanding perspective. And like, you don't, you don't need some guy who fucking went to NYU to teach you about, you know, the moral, you know, virtue of fucking, you know, using swift action in a combat situation to, you know, oh, yeah, we day-pombed them,

we saved more lives in the end, but I feel justified because there's, you know, Chauncey over here who went to fucking Tisch School of the Arts made this fucking short film that really made me feel good about myself. Like, no, no one needs that. And you don't need art to just be there. It's like, explore all the new ones. and just

show and then you don't fucking need it's not even a matter of being spoon fed people think I don't want to be spoon fed and it's almost like the connotation is like

I know all this shit I don't need to be told you should never be told it makes it bad art you know and it's not because you know if people don't get it

let them not get it and I think you know why is not everything's there for the first of you doing i mean yeah if you're making fucking transformers the last night sure you know give me a fucking spoon uh because i'm not gonna like watch it again or even the first time because i mean i watched one i watched the first one years ago it was cute enough it was fine i'm like i

ain't seen the theater i guess it's fine and then i watched another one a few years later and it was just uh i mean someone else described it as like putting uh i think was a red letter media guys or it was like putting no it was the guy from screen it doesn't matter but it doesn't matter I guess I'm attributing now so it does matter I think it was a guy from screen rent perhaps the Ryan Georgia

but point is putting like you know a bunch of computer circuits into a fucking blender or something it looks like trash it's terrible filmmaking why am I talking about Transformers I'll be making that yeah you know

show tell me what you're doing because I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing in that movie you fucking sitting there and you got robots and they're from the future or the past and there's fucking dinosaurs now when you watch trailers and they're fucking just

shoving circuit boards up your ass and they're sucking their own fucking robot dicks and they're like how do you even get there like if you could fucking transform a 90 degree angle I would just suck my own

fucking robot dick but you know I don't know like what's driving them I mean I'm one of these guys who thinks you only get driven like you know sex is the reason men do anything

no but like you know if you don't have a dick and you're a robot Like, what is, like, the, I'm not saying there isn't one. I'm just asking, like, it's not, like, are you an artist? Because these robots aren't doing art. They're not doing, they're not doing, they're not fulfilling.

Like, they're just kind of existing and trying to get this device. So they can do what? I don't know. Live in their homeland, but you're robots. Like, I don't know. Maybe they can, why is, is there one that, like, blends? They should make a blender. He just gives people margaritas and gets them to like him that way.

He goes to a bar. He goes, here's a drink. But, I mean, you know, if there were sentient robots and one was a blender, transformer style, and you were a woman at a bar, I don't know if I would recommend taking a drink from them, because they may not have dicks, but he's trying to get something from you. And, you know, it comes from inside him. And you shouldn't drink from, you know, the things that are inside people until, you know, you definitely want, you know, whatever equivalent does of fucking a robot. You know, if you want to get intimate and you swap fluids, then you get to drink his margarita. But I think it's kind of presumptuous for a robot to, like, you know, be a blender, make your margarita that's inside him. And you know, and you drink it.

I kind of feels like, you know, it almost feels like one of those Bukaki videos where someone's like putting the cum in the champagne glass and she's drinking the shit. I never got that. I mean, a gang band can be, you know, nice to watch in the sense of, like, she's getting dicks on all sides, and she's liking it. You know, she's like, oh, yeah, this is great. And, like, I'm tugging these dicks and this dicks in my ass. And I'm just sucking dick. She's like, she's just full of dick. She's probably comfortable.

It's warm. But, and then the whole Bukaki thing, you know, okay. Like, you know, a lot of people coming on her. It depends on they do it. A lot of times it's not great. but then the whole drinking that's why I can't even I've never seen a drinking of come video that I liked

and I'm sure you've always porn's always the thing we find the exception where you find that one video of whatever particular porn star and the way she looks at the camera while she's slurping up this come out of a glass and like this is fantastic and then you start chasing that high

and you don't it can be dating but in general I don't like Bukaki champagne glass drinking videos and I feel like there's something similar to that with the transformer who is a blender and he makes margaritas

again this is not something that was in the movie this is just I'm saying if that was the case what were we talking about I mean I was oh all right yeah I mean so don't spoon fed me this shit I don't need to hear about I mean I'm I'm sure what

why he just got prompted, but make better shit. You know, make more ambiguous shit. I mean, like the Game of Thrones I guess, spoiler alert, I'm not going to, I'm trying to spoil the big shit, but you know, if you didn't watch it yet,

maybe wait before you like keep listening, I guess look, if you haven't seen this, I feel weird saying spoiler alert because this show, it's, it's, it's been spoiled. And it's no big spoil to tell you it's spoiled. Like, if you haven't watched in season four, good,

stop. I'm not like I'm not a completionist. I'm also not someone who really necessarily abandoned the show right away. You know, Dexter was a... I'm not like proud that I watched Dexter when it was, when it came out, but it was at least somewhat interesting. I always

don't the side characters were very corny and terrible, and showtime is very schlocky in general. And, you know, especially with show um the first season being kind of interesting with the with the brother and the second season with the douges i think was dokes his name the cop who's tracking them the guy this is pretty decent but you know it wasn't the most whatever but then season three got pretty dumb but jimmy smith was an interesting character and it was like ah he kept watching it and then

same thing of john luthgow season four and it was always a not a good show but whatever sense of anarchy is the thing where it's like show wasn't great it's all right it got good in season two I feel like in season three was really good uh in a way of like it harkens back to the shield

but didn't have the integrity of the shield of course and I mean Kurtzeller you know wrote for the shield then started that show and then season four it just I mean like it wasn't realistic when they shot when they did shit in season three in Ireland and then it came back and it killed

you know I don't want to spoil it I guess but season four to come out and like fucking was his name Danny Trejo is like, yo, I'm in the CIA Holmes. I don't have actually said that, but it's like, he has this like, he has his Danny Trejo accent, and he's just fucking like, oh, we're in the CIA, we're running guns. And it's just like, it's just wrong.

I mean, I can't put my finger on why, but it's just like, I could, I'm saying, it's just sentiment you really should have been. And I think ever since then, I had no problem of banning a show. I mean, I'm not like, afraid to stop. Like, I'm not a completionist. I don't need to keep watching.

I mean, the West Wing got terrible after Aaron Sorkin left, understandably. I mean, he's a great writer. And even if you got someone good, not Aaron Sorkin. He's got very particular cadence and style. You know, it's not everyone's thing. But regardless, if it's your thing, it's not your thing. It's not the same thing if you get someone else. And you were thinking, like, oh, maybe they'll account for that.

And it'll be. And like, the West Wing, the full off couldn't be. be harder. Like, it was just objectively terrible for at least the season. And it never, it was never as good. It never got the same. It got better. Again, they brought Jimmy Smiths in. Jimmy Smiths is, I never even watched NYPD Blue. I wasn't ever a Jimmy Smith's loyalist. I mean, I wasn't ever, I wasn't a huge fan of Jimmy Smith's in the prequel Star Wars trilogy where he played Lay's

dad. You know, I'm not like beholden to Jimmy Smith. But I always, I find him very compelling in a lot of different situations. I like Jimmy Smith's. I'm not going to lie about it. He's also in Brooklyn 9-9, I think. He's like, who's dad is he? Is he fucking Amy's dad? Or I don't know.

I feel like he's in that show. Yeah, he's Amy's dad, I think. Anyway, I mean, if you don't watch me, that's a pretty funny show. That's something that's out there that you can enjoy. That, you know, hey, and they brought it back on NBC. And, like, I've always seen the first few episodes.

I've been watching a couple of months. month or two. But like, yeah, it's still good. It's still good. It's still good. It's like no one, if they, if they ran out of steam, I feel like they'd stop. They didn't. It's fine. And that's my point. There's stuff out there. Go watch that. If you want to stop, because this show is, if you can be, if it can be spoiled for you, can you spoil something that's terrible. I guess you can. I guess people want to find that for themselves. And that's admirable because, you know, shouldn't take anyone's word for anything but uh this shows you that's not that's not enough of a spoiler alert and fuck you um you know go and subscribe because i that was like a 10 minute

spoiler alert you know and true comp style i'm a rambling fat idiot can't just get to the point and just like well i do or die i mean i guess it's why people enjoy it though that's what people like you know um so i guess it's why you're here it's why am i being so self-effacing i should probably i mean i like therapy i don't think i need it per se everyone Everyone needs it, I guess. I don't know if I particularly need it. I'd like to go. Again, why am I saying this?

But, you know, as that pro, I guess, because I could use a... This is my therapy. This is my therapy. This is the moral trouble, I guess. What's my point? Game of Thrones. It's over now.

I've watched the finale yesterday. And, uh, I don't know what to tell you. Um, it went off the rails with the whole... I mean, look, I don't understand. people. All right, let's just get the timeline. I love this show from when I watched it the first time. I watched it

the summer after it aired originally the first season, which was like 2011 or 2010. Probably 2010. I was working at the morgue at the time. I remember because it was my first vacation from the morgue. I had scheduled to go upstate with my friend that fell through, so I was just like a

if I was a different person I might call it a staycation. But I don't say that. But you get the idea. I don't know why I'm not secure enough in whatever pathos I have. I'm actually describing it like, oh, I might say staycation. So I'm saying the word. I know it's there. And I'm, no, I think I'm right.

I think sometimes, you know, I don't like these made-up terms, these conjunction terms. Yeah, no, I'm sticking to my guns here. I'm not going to say it in the first person. So, but it was a staycation anyway, yeah, regardless. And, yeah, I loved it. It was a great show. some people argue in hindsight

they adapted the books the books are better like yeah look the books are the cornerstone why it's good and I read the first book recently

it's great but you know A there's plenty of great books that haven't been adapted well so an adaptation of a book that's done well

is still a feat not equal to that but you know it's impressive and it's something to be you know it's a show of a good filmmaker that you can do that

to do so in a way that's pretty faithful, especially in this case where it's pretty faithful, but, you know, gets the tone. A lot of times, like the Shining

isn't one of the most brilliant films ever made. I don't know if it's a good adaptation. Well, maybe, like, well, no, it's a great adaptation, but is it faithful to the book? And, like, you could argue,

I don't know, I haven't really read the full book. Some people say it is, I don't say it isn't. I mean, the thing is, when you get the faithful, you know, Stephen King, loves to get his, you know, when he gets his way

and he produces, or they do it in the way he would want. The Shining miniseries, everyone's, I mean, I didn't watch it. Everyone said it was terrible. If you're a book purist, maybe you didn't think that. But the reality is, it was an impressive, what they did with that show was impressive. One of my favorite scenes is, you know, when they first see, when you first meet Tywin, Lannister,

and he's cutting that deer, he's talking to Jamie and calling him an idiot, and, you know, just talking about the nature of family and sacrifice. it was a great Charles Dance is amazing actor really just just to grow I don't even know if it's like

if it's a feat of acting more than just like his frequencies really resonates with me and I think he's a great actor too of course but like but the extra umph I think he's just I don't know I find his character magnetic I always love Taiwan it's a certain way

cut through the bullshit and he's a evil guy I mean like the brilliant thing was about even though I love the scenes of time with Linister you know when they finally when he finally met his demise I was actually

it was surprising and I was like it wasn't happy per se it wasn't mad it was kind of like oh shit like you know because they built it up in a way this is a again a brilliant show which you know knew how to handle

nuance and and fucking characters in a way where it's like yeah this guys are incredibly compelling and you like it when he's giving shit to Joffrey but yeah when like when you know when someone gives him his come up

and you know you don't feel cheated either even though he's one of my favorite characters that that was the way

that was the magic of a show like that I mean one of the magic I mean some people might argue you know

the deconstructionist nature of it the way I mean it got a little maybe a little heavy handed sometimes

but just a way you know not it would that's just I have subverting expectations

just the idea that like no one's guided by like these archetypes of like I'm a knight, I'm this, I mean, it would be childish to think that and

not just subverting that. Like people could be go, oh, it's inverted the fairy tale. But they've been other darker fantasy things. But subverting, like, the role of power and the role of you know, what these guys would even be about and why, you know, the fact that, you know, they

the fact that they wouldn't even be dishonorable to fight in a dirty way a lot of time. Like, that's the thing. It's like, you can go like, oh, nice direction, you know all great. sure but like it's also kind of dumb if you're just being some chivalrous night you know to act like that in a world of chaos like you know it'd be stupid so it's like there's a difference between you know just subverting expectations if you will or it's also a difference between you know showing the darker side and actually deconstructing you know a civilization or a archetype of a civilization or a writing style you know you can go oh yeah nice wood all be great. But that's not the point. The point is, you know, how would they be?

And what, you know, like, because it's not like everyone and all these nights are just complete pieces of shit. I mean, a lot of them are, you know, look, the powerful people are, especially in perspective of, you know, someone who's, like, not in power and poor. It's terrible. Because, you know, look at the guy who lives in, you know, more than

one of the richer neighbors in the Rhode Island. I don't know about the Hamptons, but, you know, in a nicer area that, you know, and you go he's like oh he's a dentist and he fucking makes you know 300k a year it's a good dentist there's a good dentist and they make that much money more I'm sure

and uh you know he drives a fucking what's he drive Porsche like a Porsche yeah he has 9-11 I mean uh

is 9-11 could you afford 9-11 300 green yeah of course you could you know you fucking you can afford 9-11 right he's got 9-11 and he's driving around he's got his fucking you know he's got maybe a Rolex he's making 300k a year I'm saying could be a decent guy is my point but like you know you you're probably you know aggressive in certain situations and you're fucking not the most

look you could be generous but you're not going to tend to be the most generous guy maybe a dentist wasn't the greatest example maybe just let's just say a finance guy not all evil but you know You drive being aggressive. You drive being a shark. So, you know, the kind of people who tend to excel in those situations and rise to those ranks, yeah, they're not going to be like those gentle fucking, you know, petting your rabbit and shit. So, you know, that's the point point, a nuance. And, like, it got that. It wasn't, it's not all, I don't know.

But I have a love to show since, you know, the get-go. The peak for me was season four. five was fine I mean like the magic ended nothing matter I wouldn't say the magic ended but like

it was the peak for sure in hindsight five was fine six was good especially the end of six was great you know seven I wasn't one of these people

shitting on it I mean I get why you would like the fast travel and the fucking um just the things being a little amped up

and like you know a little simplistic sure I get it wasn't a game of throne but it wasn't bad enough that it broke it for me. It was like, look, they're running out of steam. They're not going to do four more seasons, even

if they should. And, like, I can accept this. It's still entertaining. I feel like in season seven, the scene where Dr. Rackie and Daeneres, like, or attack Jamie in the whole Master Army, I like that. I mean, you might just, I don't know if people just like that. I mean, if that was

one of the things people were critiquing, but I thought, like, look, you've all this buildup. I mean, you saw some dragon shit over the years, but like, you finally saw what, you know, the Dr. Rackie and some dragons could do on the open field of battle. I was like, oh, this is fucking, and it was at least composed well as a battle scene. I don't know if tactics

were good, but it was composed well. And yeah, I mean, look, maybe the fucking part with Jamie's trying and trying to get the stupid you know, harpoon at the end and like fucking brawn knocks them off. For sure, that was, you know, it's a little dumb, but overall, like, you know, I mean, because that's

the thing. If you, if you, you can't just say, Well, it got bad after five, or got bad after six or seven. Like, seven would be bad. And if you do that, and nothing that matters, I guess. We're not, you know, we're not fucking accountants for HBO. But, like, you really are short-selling how bad the show got. If you don't acknowledge how, like, it went from, like,

oh, this might some of the elements of this might be a little, like, you know, silly or, like, these guys are traveling too quickly to, like, just incompetently written. and you really honestly more I don't know if they're winning me over or if I was just wrong but these these Star Wars kids these fucking guys who didn't like Last Jedi they seem to be you know I agree with them more and more as it goes along I still stick to like why are you watching Star Wars it's over Star Wars has been over this was at least the end of a series but I think I mentioned that last week I don't know I hope I'm not repeating myself with this

but the point is I don't know the whole point of what was the whole point of Brand he's he's the guy now he's the fucking what is like why is Braun back there I look the thing of

the Nairis it's like they act like she like they laid the seeds for something you could have done this, I guess the whole point of her character was not the fact that she won like the breaking the wheel thing was something she said in season

five remember it was in the trailer they had the David Bowie cover was it a bowie cover it was a slowed down version of David Bowie's heroes and they had a great I mean like in season four is the best season

season five had the best trailer it was really great trailer somewhat disappointing but not like a terrible season But she said, I don't want to stop the wheel Or break the wheel And they keep bringing down That's something she said season 5

Before that she was like I mean there was a season in season 2 When like I think it was season 2 When she first got the unsullied And then like they were telling her like Oh like don't sell this dragon And it's like you know This nap

And like she's gonna trade her dragon for the insult Like one dragon for all the unsullied And then like once she got the whip Whatever they call it the little scepter she's like a dracharis burns everyone and the point he was like you know yeah I'm playing a different game

I'm fucking I'm operating multiple levels levels of this shit you know and she's fucking she wasn't you know like the my one I'm establishing there is that you have Jora and you have I believe

at that point she had what's his name Barriston Somme the badass Barrestin the bold the fucking most underutilized guy in the show I mean he's old at that point but you know

this guy was a killer fucking brutal killer and they fucking you know they they killed him off it's one of the things they killed him

he's alive in the books apparently he fucking killed him off I don't know why but uh but he was telling her don't fucking use all these dragons denaris

you gotta stop just these advisors tell him to do this shit and what does she fucking gets both she gets to fucking keeps the dragon and she gets and she kills the slavers

and she's like I'm doing this shit my way and there was always her M.O. for the most part. I mean, I guess is that why some people call her Mary Sue? I mean, you know, I guess, look, at the end of the day, if you're going to talk about why did this person become great? I mean, very few things really establish, really establish why someone's character

is virtuous or smart. You know, you establish that they are and they have a good, you know, they, you know, some great fiction does maybe establish that, but you're like, look at the wire. Why is Magnolia such a good detective? I mean, I don't think I've ever really established Is it been guilty of Mary Sue?

No, because he has fault And so there's Targary So, you know, relax Point is you've established That she, you know, looks Through the problem into me Maybe we got some fucking third option here Where I fucking win both things

And yeah, she's a little brutal But she's always brutal And then try to bring something to show As if that was like, you know, that was a way of, you know, disregarding logic We were like, oh, well, you know, we can class

when she killed the slavers because they were evil men. It's like, yes. Yes, we did. Like, we clapped when the, it was tearing saying this shit. We clapped when she crucified those masters

and crucified children. Like, yeah. Like, yeah, maybe you could argue against capital punishment, but like, there ain't no, I mean, or the morality of doing that, but like, let's not pretend like it wasn't justice

or at least on a Hammurabi's Code kind of way. or is any comparison to that I mean they said thousands of people but she must have killed like I mean if there's a million people in that city and the devastation of that city that she did she must have killed like

you know half a million people quarter million people at least 100,000 and so if you killed 100,000 you don't say thousands if you killed 10,000 people I'm not sure if you say thousands maybe 10 sure if you killed 20,000 people I don't think you say thousands of people

I think you know somewhere between 10 and 20 you start saying tens of thousands I guess I guess when he gets the 20 you can say tens if it's 15 you can't say tens

only one 10 but you get the point she got a shit a little more people and they make it in my opinion based on what I'm seeing and it's like

you know they're comparing it to like crucifying some guys who crucified children just to make a point to her like the way

like those road markers it doesn't even get it's written it feels like it's written by people who like skimmed through the show let alone people who like are experts in the lore of it and like you know because it's

fancy you don't get into the trap of thinking like oh I'm worried about the fucking new one no I'm saying whatever show it is if you go for the Americans if you wrote for anything good you'd want to be steeped in its lore in its fucking backstory so you can pay off things

and you establish it I mean the true masters of this kind of shit established things early on to pay off later you can watch a show in season one you go oh shit

like that's why it was happening and it works at multiple levels and it doesn't always have to work like that way but that's the peak level shit sometimes it's like oh it's amazing at the very least though you want character to be consistent

if you need to explain that to you then you're a moron if you don't get why you want character to be consistent. It doesn't mean consistent all the time. Like, you can change a character and the character can act contrary to their nature. Sure.

But, like, there's a real, like, I mean, you know, you school shoot a guy. Like, people didn't think they're going to shoot schools, but like, this guy's kind of weird. Also, like, you know, maybe, you know, you guys fed up. I mean, the people do random stuff? Sometimes. But not usually big random stuff. Like, When you look at the guys who, like, you know, Oswald, oh, like, he's connected to the Soviets and this, like, he's never any, if that's even what happened.

My point is, like, these guys usually aren't just random. I mean, and if you believe Hinkley, the whole Hinkley did it for Jody Foster thing, I don't know to tell you, because it's like, you know, those situations. Well, Hinkley, he's wanted to impress Jody Foster. Sure, and his parents were supposed to have dinner with Neil Bush that night. So that means nothing? Like, I don't know what, again, that. talk about conspiracies that much in this show but

if you've been with me for a while you get what I'm talking about it. It's like you know this fucking I don't know what it means the whole Neil Bush thing but like it means there something's there unless I pretend it's not something there is my point. Something more's there.

So it's a badly written show um terrible I mean I don't get the whole uh I think of it there it's like she would never I'm not saying she's never really done that

I'm not saying that look the obvious thing is you build it up overseas and people are saying that but you're also like it's short drift to like what that look if the idea is that the virtuous people or the people who you think are virtuous and like

you know or better conquerors are prone to do this it's not even that you didn't build it up and didn't earn it like it's the fact that like that could be an interesting subject of like

how a guy like Alexander the Great for instance who I'm sure someone like there is you know at least partly based on if not him and other people like him but you know it's Alexander was Julius Caesar was a great conquer I mean I think Augustus Caesar was a better conquer Julius Caesar killed a million galls but I think

Augustus might conquer more shit but you get the point. Genghis Khan again brutal guy um you know Alexander might be the best example of a guy who thought he was Muhammad, I don't know, thought they were improving shit.

You know, Danny, National Gararian might not be the, I can't remember a time where this, a leader was that, thought they were being that virtuous. I guess they always, who knows if they always do or not. But objectively, watch, you know,

if there is an objective window to these people through a TV show, regardless of the historical precedents, you know, she had, her reasoning was based on a more grounded morality and fucking compassion

and the sure ego too but that's always part of it you know the ego was always a part of it and the superior not breeding this is what they would say but the superior you know

station in life you know she might have been in exile but you know she's still a rich girl look her fucking she might have been living in different houses and fucking you know running from Robert Baratine's assassins, but she's still

living better than some fucking peasant chick and plea bottom. You know, well, let's not kid ourselves. She lived a charmed life. Oh, charmed fucking life. She acts like, you know, these people, the rich, that's the dang, the rich will always deserve it when they get it because I mean, my talking about is getting put against the wall.

You know, because they really just don't seem to, like, if there was even appreciation for like, yeah, look, if they even, it's when they complain, you know, I didn't have that easy. I fucking. had to run from theoretical assassins live in different rich people's houses

and it's like oh that sounds terrible like these people getting raped and killed in the streets you're eating shit they're eating brown dirt mixed with water what they call bits of brown they just food they eat and you know when flea bottom and these fucking slums she didn't grow up that hard

but you know so there was always like that was always part of the show you know the idea that like you know it was just duality but just nuance going on but it's not that you didn't earn it it's the fact that like that would have been an interesting take

I mean probably more interesting than what you did with her for the past few seasons because I mean once she took Marine or whatever it got kind of boring anyway not boring yeah nothing really changed that much even when she got the Dr. Rackie was kind of like oh she burned herself

she got in a fire again and this happened and all right I mean it was like kind of thing it was the thing that you accepted because you know oh now we're going to go to the Westrow it was cool but like it was kind of weird. I mean, it was a cool visual moment

when she came out of that fucking fire pit and I'm not, you know, it was just kind of like, yeah, whatever, like it seemed, it seemed like a whole thing that was contrived more than the show would do up to that point, whatever. So you could have explored more of the,

not good, not to earn it. People act like you got to earn it, but like the, what are you earning? The payoff is rarely that great. The point is more, The journey and the studying of this character, watching a really interesting and nuanced character is the reward in itself.

Watching Tyrion in season one, two, and three, even, four. I mean, yeah, the original Tyrion, that's the idiot Tyrion that, you know, we have now, or it did have, it's over now, but, you know, with a pleasure, because he was a complicated guy, he was a selfish guy, but also, you know, he was better than his family, but his family was shit, you know, and, like, there's a lot of levels going on. He's smart, but he's also, you know, kind of,

uh, he's a risky with the prostitute. Yeah, whatever. Point is watching a guy like Braun, who's like, you know, not the worst guy, but he's a moral, uh, you know, and morally ambiguous, but, you know, he knows how to win a fight, but, you know, in a sleazier way, but, you know,

but it's also like, but that's that moment when he's like, when he gets rid of John Slint, Tyrion, and he goes to Braun, you know, because he makes Bronon the city guard guy. Like, if I, if I ordered you to, because he was like, oh, I was ordered to do it, killing the babies, you know, the Robert's bastards or whatever.

Like, back in, like, season one or beginning of season two. And, uh, when, like, when he goes to braun, he goes, you know, if I ordered you to kill babies, would you do it? You know, would you do it on, unquestionally?

He's like, unquestioningly? No. I ask how much. Like, that's great. because you still like the character and the fact that you can have a character like you're still saying you haven't paid enough money I'll kill some babies

like that's like that's that's that's that's the point and then sometimes I feel like I've landed on to a point here in a roundabout way which is you know the nature of how this show works I guess but like

if I have to anything to add to this whole because you know if you're interested in game with drones there's millions of videos now and you know you spend all day of work watching this shit but if I have anything to add to the great debate about, or just eulogy about this show, it's the point of this distinction that, you know,

it's not so much that you needed to earn these turns. It's that, like, you know, the, studying and, like, having the nuance of a character on display is the point. Is the, having a character that is grounded in reality and it acts, you know, based on, Again, this is drama. Look, you're not watching a documentary. Documentaries don't do this.

So, like, it's not about 100% realism. You want the idea that is it realistic based on the, uh, what's the instigating factors that you've established. So, like, you know, hey, she wants to do this, but, you know, let's just, let's just say everyone's a grand thing. Like, with the whole burning down of King's Landing. It's like, you know, would you have, uh, this would have been better if she'd,

if, like, you know, if, you know, Searcy had not surrendered, and she'd done some stuff that kind of forced her hand, so the only way she could beat her was to burn down the red key. Of course, that would have been a better move if that was, you know, sure. I'm not arguing that. But the point, it's like you have his character. She has a certain moral standing, and people are saying to you, like, look, I can buy that, you know, this character would go darker than I would, you know, and then we all would agree.

people these people aren't children go I like turkey you made her bad they're saying it's like it's about you know not pushing it for no reason people don't you know it's just it's it's really it can't be overstayed how clumsily

and shittily this show is written it's done in a way where it's almost like hyper normalization where it's like fuck you this is a new reality these people are like same when you watch certain comedy things like this guy's on TV he's going to And he's incoherent.

Look at his Twitter and it makes no sense. He's got a billion follower. And it's like, no, this is the new reality. Like, this is done, like, with Russia. If you haven't seen hyper normalization, it's an Adam Curtis doc. Go watch it on YouTube. I don't endorse it.

Like, his docs are always very, very interesting and fun to watch. I feel like maybe he's sometimes, like, shoe horns a little bit. But, you know, but you watch him as kind of, like, you know, tone poems. If you were George Lucas, he'd say something. stupid like that you know they kind of you get a vibe off of them and a certain level of perspective

but yeah but in hyper normalization he talks about uh at one point how it was basically about how the name comes from in russia uh in like the soviet union in the 70s how at that point it all broken down and no one thought like we're they were doing some kind of letting Marxist shit here um but the government was basically kind of still going through certain motions and people were accepting that and it was like they were and they you that thing when you know what you're watching on the news is bullshit, but you kind of have no choice but to kind of go along with it and accept it and you have this kind of dual awareness in your whole life.

It's like, you know, it's kind of accepting of things you know would be untrue, which I guess is the foundation of 1904 and the whole, like, 2 plus 2 equals 5 kind of thing. You know, force the people to accept the 2 plus 2 equals 5 just because you get convinced him of that. and then he got it, he broke him. And that's, you know, because Russia were basically, they also established in modernly Russia,

I think I've talked about this before, but like, they basically fund opposition parties. And that's, look, that's duplicitous, and you could see an intelligent service doing that,

and agent provocateurs, what's interesting is that the move they did was to, like, tell the people, this is what we're doing. So the whole point is to go, hey,

you don't know what the fuck we're doing. That's what we're doing. What we're doing is, you don't know what the fuck is real and that's the point so that's what the point of this is the point of this season and there's a lot of art now is just to be like hey you don't know what's going on uh just basically you know bend over cuck that's what i'm telling you and again i'm using cuck in the literal term not in the you know me i'm not some fucking guy are these cuck still even a word like they use i could break down game of

this world i feel like we're getting to the end of the show Maybe I'll do a bonus episode. I feel like that's a contribution. All the other stuff I feel about it, I feel like I've been said. But that's my contribution is that, you know, it's even if you had earned it, it's wanting to see that develop is the interesting thing. It's not the fact that you have to...

Some people act like you built this up to pay it off. And like, you know, would you go back and watch the first, like, you know, a bunch of seasons again? Because it was ruined now because, you know, it was all leading to this. I never felt like it was... There was always something it was leading to, sure. But it was a pleasure to watch. in love itself and I feel like that's

you know that's what I have to contribute is that you know it's appreciating the moment and so there was no earning there'd be no earning I mean you could have earned it but it's more not the earning what you earn is the enjoyment of watching it and yes when it also pays off on the other

end it makes it that much better sure but you know watching her grapple with these things would have that's the point it's not if she's just changed on the dime but you had established it better and then you go, oh, all right,

well, it does make sense it makes sense with the fucking parameters and it's not the fucking point. The point is the struggle. The point is the new, like, wanting to see someone be, like, again, the wire. You watch McNulty, and he's like this fucking drunk maniac, but he's also, like,

he's talented as a detective and he can't get his shit together. And it's like, watching that is interesting, you know? And, like, it doesn't matter that, like, it's what's to pay off and what's to this and it's just like you know I enjoy watching someone who isn't just one thing and that's the point

like and she was never so you know whatever that's that yeah also they could have redeemed it just by having Prince Harry just drop bombs on the city you know make it more realistic at least

because Prince they should have incorporated Prince Harry and the biracial baby and they should have maintained It should have cut forward. It should have been the dissolve of, like, the, you know, brand and, like, all of everyone and just dissolves to the current royal family with their beautiful biracial baby. And it just says, seasons, greetings, and it's over. That's the only change I would have made, I guess. Let's get to, we'll just call that our wonderful patrons.

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I don't want to set a precedent. Like, if you donate to my Patreon, they're like, I'm going to get you. out of jail or, like, won't you a campaign to get you out of jail? In this case, though, I do want to do something. But I don't like the idea that I'm expected to do something for Julian Assange. But, no, I will. I'll get me. I just forgot, let's be honest, I forgot to send you the soup and a ramen.

So we'll figure something out for Julian, because he did contribute to the show, so I want to help him out. I'm not sure what to do. I mean, he's getting extradited to Sweden, or, you know, America, who knows, it's a real mess. In reality is, those charges might be true and also trumped up to,

you know, get them for the espionage shit or the hacking shit, you know, whatever. Like, again, just like Game of Thrones, well, just like the wire, it could be both things. You know, he could have done some shitty shit and they use that against him. Like, it's just because it's convenient, doesn't mean

he didn't do it. Who knows? But they're definitely pushing the issue. Let's not pretend like, you know, international like rapists tend to get internationally extradited in this fashion but uh so you know of course that's why you know it's happening because you know he's him but you know if he did do it though it's like then it's like eh well he's still not a great guy but you know you also want to i don't know he contributed to the show i'm not you know defend his whole moral backstory but you know i defend his you know his hacking is leaking you know if it over affected the election

grow up, all right? Look at what you think he was, no. I mean, if they used WikiLeaks, the guy's in the Ecuadorian embassy. We were riding a skateboard around, eating fucking hot pockets. I'm, you know, I'm not going to fucking hold him accountable if we got a little used. You're going to put him in jail for 20 years. I mean, a lot of shit happens. Let's not pretend like that was the fucking lunchpin.

And also, like, what got leaked was real shit. So, like, if it hurt Hillary, it's like, you know, at the end of day, I get, I get what you're saying. But the end of day, it's like, it's real shit, though. Maybe just, you know, existed in the nuance a little more and stop being such a fucking tool about it. It's weird. We get it.

All right. So, Julian, stay strong. We'll help you out. You can find me on Instagram and Twitter at Ray Kump. Go listen to Our Love is Disgusting. My podcast with Lucy Steiner is fantastic. She's hilarious. You know, you know, my Patreon if you want,

you know, we get a new mic. Maybe some sound effects even. If we get enough patrons, we'll see I'll make some other parallel content too I don't know I'm making

I'll show you I'll give you access to my music I make I'm making music now whatever we'll figure it out there's all

there's enough come to go around see you next week you see you next week Thank you.