Kump - 4 - I'll Fight All the High School Boys

Episode Date: January 24, 2019

Ray continues his blackmail war against capitalism, addresses the MAGA-Kid vs. Native American thing, unpacks the Venezuelan crisis, and becomes an unlikely ally of the C.I.A. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Conjuring Last Rites On September 5th I come down here in your house Array! Array! Array! Array! Array!
Starting point is 00:00:19 The conjuring, last rites. Only in theater, September 5th, where it are. Thank you for tuning in the comp. We have a new jingle or whatever. I made this song. This is me. I did this years ago. I repurposed it.
Starting point is 00:00:58 No, don't anyone try and get me. sued by any about stealing this is mine don't worry about it it's just something I did back when I was trying to make electronic music that career didn't work out you know so now I'm here
Starting point is 00:01:14 welcome if you have been listening to the previous episodes you've been privy to my assault on corporate America I'm trying to get sponsors but I'm not willing to just sit here and wait and growing audience and
Starting point is 00:01:29 an organic way and have them have companies look at my you know download numbers and I got to prove to them that you know I'm a viable fuck that all right I know I can transfer whatever fans I got with listeners I got into cash right now and if I'm not going to see that we're going to you know propel the situation we're going to force the hand of corporate America uh last week I uh I adjusted my tactics to try and blackmail account I'm going to do a other one of those blackmail situations where i try to uh i'm just going to do an ad read for a company and uh if they if they don't like it they don't want me to do it um if when they take this down they got to pay up so it's a little more aggressive it's a little more puts the on
Starting point is 00:02:15 them because before i was trying to do ad reads and then have them pay me now no now we're going to do uh at this don't i mean i'm not saying anything bad but you know do you want this out there because this week it's fage yogurt or is it faget faggay don't know i think they're icelandic maybe they're from detroit uh i like your yogurt i use a lot of your yogurt i eat the blueberry uh version i use the version with the honey uh sometimes i buy the honey cup uh that's you know you you tilt the cup towards the yogurt and it oozes out but that takes a while so i'll take a bear honey you know honey that comes in a bear jar but i'll just dump it out. I'll just dump out the bear
Starting point is 00:02:58 honey onto a larger container of yogurt. It helps keep me regular. They don't advertise this as one of those shit yogurts. There's a lot of shit yogurts out there, or at least one of them. Was it activia? The activity of the shit yogurt? Who am I asked? I don't know producers anymore. I'm asking myself. I think it's activity
Starting point is 00:03:16 was the shit yogurt. This isn't one of those. This isn't one of those. This is one Jamie Lee Curtis doesn't come out in Fajie commercials and say, hey, you could flip my leg back and I shit. just like the yogurt container does. If you've seen Fajie containers, you would understand that the thing that you flip
Starting point is 00:03:32 and this is the sense of, you know, I imagine if we had Jamie Lee Curtis on the Fajie team, we would have her do a little pirouette and then she would shit onto the floor or into her pants. She wouldn't be pantsless. That would be, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:46 she's a respect. I'm not going to ask her to do that. That's disrespectful to ask a, I don't know if she's an Oscar-nominated actress or winner, but she's, she's, I mean, she's a woman. She deserves a respect regardless. And then on top of
Starting point is 00:04:00 that, she's also, you know, a great actress. So it adds to the respect. Either way, I'm not going to ask a woman to shit onto the floor of a set of a TV commercial for a yogurt company. It's just that's not it's not
Starting point is 00:04:16 me. In the Me Too era especially, you can't be doing that. And I've always been ahead of the curve anyway. But no, now you wouldn't. I'd expect to see that Maybe someone else doing that commercial in 1998, maybe 2005. I wouldn't be surprised if Danin made that commercial. I never would.
Starting point is 00:04:34 But I would never ask a woman to shit onto a concrete floor of a studio and say, hey, buy our yogurt. You could have this happen. You wish you could shit like this? You know, this could be you. Imagine you and this woman having the same level of shit regularity. That's a possibility buy our yogurt. You know, it's just, it's all awaiting you buying this yogurt. taking the shit, eat it every day, you know, make it happen.
Starting point is 00:05:00 That's not what I'm doing here. Where were we? Fajai, it's great yoga. It's not advertised that way, but it does keep me regular. Something to do with probiotics, you know, little microbes are going to your stomach and your gut, and they produce flora and fauna. So buy that yogurt. Buy Fajie yogurt.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Now Fajay, if you don't like that ad, the amount of times they mention shit, And Jimmy Lee Curtis shitting onto a floor, do you think that's problematic for your company, your company's image, we can, you know, we can get rid of it. We can, we can undo, this is late stage capitalism, people, all right? People love to shit on capitalism and say that, you know, it only helps the, uh, the large company screw over the little guy. You know, you have to, in late stage, you have to take capitalism into your own hands, all right? You know, because the whole thing is they're not going to help you. they're going to help the government's out to help you know bowling and uh bell helicopter any of the defense companies you know companies that make socks they might get some help you're
Starting point is 00:06:06 not getting help you got to do stuff like this on your own crowdsourcing your own money you can steal too i mean i don't know am i a public figure am i allowed to advocate stealing probably not if i get into trouble for that because i'm a public figure supposedly i don't i mean i'm not saying I am, but you know, I'm not to my own horn, but I think I still can't advocate you, like, you know, going to a Walmart and, like, throwing a rock through the window and, like, you know, taking
Starting point is 00:06:32 shit yogurt out of there and like, yeah, I'm taking my shit yogurt. Fuck capitalism. I can't advocate that as much as I might want to. I mean, I'm a fan of the free market, but, you know, if they don't do things to prevent you, if they treat you in such a way where you feel you need
Starting point is 00:06:48 to steal their shit yogurt, I feel like that there is something you can do with the free market there and you know whatever so please faje send me money uh i'm not who you're sure if you that fadj is a parent company or is maybe they're owned by general mills or uh maybe they're owned by some companies people who make arm and hammer bacon soda maybe own them i don't know so i just you know pay the bills here we're trying to get studio or even just like a different mic uh maybe a new headphone whatever we we'll expand operations and we need to get financed.
Starting point is 00:07:22 We might do a Patreon. I don't know. We're going to see if we can shake down corporate America first. But in the meantime, well, that's what we're doing in the meantime. But, you know, we might do that later. We might do a Patreon.
Starting point is 00:07:33 We can't get corporate America to pony up some money, which is probably likely. A lot of crazy things happen. All right, so over the weekend, I think the big story was this kid during the Right to Life March, right? The Right to Life March is a March they do every year.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Anti-abortion. It all stems from the whole, you know, because if you're anti-abortion, you're pro-life, if you're pro-abortion, you're pro-choice, everything's a fucking, you know, we use these catch-all frame. I'm a life, I mean, this. It's, whatever, these kids are part of some Catholic high school,
Starting point is 00:08:15 I guess, much like I didn't go to an old boys one, but I think theirs was an old boy. High School full of these pro-life kids. I mean, look, if you pulled them, they're probably pro-life until they fucking knock some woman up. Or the woman knocks them up. I'm not trying to be gendering here. But, you know, these kids, I've met these kids.
Starting point is 00:08:37 I know these kids. I've been in speech classes with these kids at a Catholic high school, and they're making these cases like these speeches about how, like, you know, I was pro-life until I was having sex with my ugly girlfriend and I'm an these guy's ugly too I'm gonna make it fun of his ugly girlfriend but he was
Starting point is 00:08:51 like this is his ugly couple and whatever and they were just talking he wanted to know he was having sex and he's like I got to start having sex and I realized he didn't have a pregnancy scare this ugly guy just was talking about like I realized I could get my girlfriend pregnant and oh maybe I'm wrong about abortion
Starting point is 00:09:07 so not only are you just describing your disgusting sex acts you're you know you're the worst couple I've ever seen but you know now it's like you also have no integrity that's great I mean people can change their mind but like
Starting point is 00:09:20 to use that in a speech class to use that as some kind of like you know this is one of those classes where you're trying to make a persuasive point and this kid's just like my ugly girlfriend I realized I can put a baby inside this can't stand
Starting point is 00:09:33 this baby so you know it's one of these kids so these kids have I'm not going to make the case that these kids are like actually pro-life believers that just kind of you know 16 they probably
Starting point is 00:09:45 something I told them I come to the march instead of going to school for the day. And I'm like, yeah, sure. We're just, you know, rat-faced kids. What are we going to do? Fuck it. Probably, you know, the middle is probably grab a tit out there. Yeah, because they're just fucking horny kids.
Starting point is 00:09:59 They're probably hoping there's just some fucking girls in the march that they can fucking tick grab. I don't know what they're into. And, like, you know, I don't, the big picture that comes on is this fucking kid facing an Indian, Native American, sorry, Dave American. And, uh, beating the drum in his face. and he's just staring him down
Starting point is 00:10:18 and I guess supposedly they're mocking the Native American and there's some of them were some of them were jumping a little bit look the kid is very hateable I mean that's one thing people keep talking about this kid they want all this kid's so punchable
Starting point is 00:10:33 this kid's disgusting and yeah look I see the kid initially you want to kick this kid in the face sure he's got a shit fucking grin he's just kind of got this rat face fucking mugness here's the thing i think all boys in high school are very punchable and i feel like i could take any of them um it might be a controversial point i mean the most athletic shape i'm not a train
Starting point is 00:11:01 fighter but i feel like i mean i look something there's something about being a high school boy versus like a 20 25 to 28 when you hit your physical kind of prime and you just come like we took old man's strength back in the day I mean I feel like at this stage of my life I could take high school era LeBron James which I don't think is true in my head but I'm like I just can't see a high school kid I mean he's probably like six eight
Starting point is 00:11:29 and you know at that point 225 220 or muscle I mean look it doesn't seem realistic but I feel like I at least grapple the kid to the ground young LeBron I mean now I would not take current LeBron, of course. I'm not an idiot.
Starting point is 00:11:46 But, you know, something about, or like a young, young Tom Brady, you know, or young, who is that tall pitcher that they called the big unit? Randy Johnson, I feel like I could take him in high school. Any boy in high school, I feel like I could take right now. I don't, I can never fear one of these kids. And initially, off the bat, even if we land on this kid is disrespecting a Native American and it's disgusting which is like I'm not against that
Starting point is 00:12:15 you know analysis of it on the surface and I'm not trying to go too deep I'm not trying to be the knee jerk what about the real story here maybe he had a reason for being great no I'm just saying can we not pretend like he was intimidating this name
Starting point is 00:12:29 this Native American guy I don't want to take away from this Native American this guy was a fucking he's a little older he's probably 50 60 probably 60 I'd say I feel like he was smoked this kid so I don't want to hear this kid was like
Starting point is 00:12:41 intimidating his native American. That's more disrespectful than anything else I'm going to hear is that some people are alleging he was like intimidated, he's grilling the Native American. You shouldn't be grilling him anyway, but let's not pretend like a Native American guy I was afraid of this fucking rat-faced 16-year-old kid, all right? He's not. This guy would wallop him. He'd fucking put him in a fucking, you know, chokehold, maybe give him, you know, give him a
Starting point is 00:13:07 fucking sock in the nose. I'm sorry, I'm on a rolling chair in a little. office and it's just rolling everywhere this is not great trying to make a point here the point is no one's afraid of this kid so like you know look even the kid had a gun i feel like the american guy would have like a massage agent so you know whatever that's just one element of it but yeah the kid was shitty some people people like look at the footage your raw footage i watch the raw footage it's not totally clear it does seem like the these these black gentlemen they call the black Israelites, I think it was their
Starting point is 00:13:42 official term, but it's the term the people are using. We're harassing the kids. I don't particularly blame them. These kids look harassable, but they're getting a little harassed. And I think the Native American guy supposedly got
Starting point is 00:13:58 in the middle to sort of like just to kind of dissipate the tension between the two you know, these Christian abortion abolition this we want to call them and the black Israelites. And so, like, did the kids maybe not, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:16 infiltrate the Native American side and start attacking it? Because there was a Native American march too. There's so many marches. It feels like, first of all, I don't know who the city planner is. Who's, like, planning all these. You have to give, like, permits to these marches, don't you? Maybe don't, like, stack them up right next to each other.
Starting point is 00:14:31 I know the national malls in high demand, but, I mean, there's only so many days in a year. But maybe, I mean, maybe this could have been just, you know, better planned. I mean, I don't think anyone can just, I don't think any group can just randomly show up at the Washington, the Lincoln Memorial, and just start, you know, protest. I think you need to kind of apply for a permit or something. So maybe that's something we can look at. Here's the bigger picture.
Starting point is 00:14:58 Who gives a shit? Like, no one's really asking that. I hear people making points and counter points about, like, well, you know the whole story about these kids and what did they do? And, like, you know, were they really? trying to be disrespectful. I mean, the kids, why is a kid wearing a maga hat? What does any of this actually matter? It's a 16-year-old rat-faced fucking kid wearing a maga hat at a fucking abortion, anti-abortioner.
Starting point is 00:15:26 So he acted shitty? Who gives it? Even if he's like, even if he was saying the N-word, which is terrible, it's like, how is this part of a national conversation? Like, this guy, like, not everything is a symbol. Not everything is a relevant symbol to, like, our lives. Like, this is not something we need to fight over what this shitty kid did. And you could argue, well, he feels in this climate, this and that, you know, like, I mean, if you look at the, it doesn't look like they were going around targeting groups to do this in the, you know, this is something that happened.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Some shitty kid made of a fucking stupid thing. Was he emboldened by the error of, uh, shitty kids are shitty kids, all right? I mean, you're going to get into situations where you're just acting like an asshole and like, is this racist? Sure, it's racist. But why is that part of the national conversation? This is like one kid
Starting point is 00:16:24 or a group of kids being a bunch of fucking just animals. And like, you know, maybe they're being attacked by other people verbally. And like, you know, doesn't excuse anything. It's more just like it's just, I don't know what bearing this has on us like we are having a narrative pushed on us and then i feel like this is the bigger conversation
Starting point is 00:16:46 needs to be talked about people you need to be more resilient and more resistant a point of view being pushed on you now at the point of view a paradigm being pushed on you where like one where you're going to pick a side what side you have on this i don't have a side on this fucking rat face kid no offense to the kid if you didn't doing him I mean I shouldn't be judging him on his rat face but you know you have a little bit of rat face he should know he has a rat face like this is sad it'll just say for a sake of argument he didn't do anything wrong it would be sad that we're attacking the kid based on his rat's face but I mean he does need to know going forward until he maybe goes into his face that might happen
Starting point is 00:17:27 but for now you got a rat face kid so adjust your attitude accordingly know that you look smug if you didn't mean to look smug it's possible there was some kids I remember that in that scared straight documentary there was that kid back in the 70s that kid who was like you know the prison guy was young and why are you laughing at me and he's like I'm not laughing and the guy like 20 years later was saying I just had a smirk a nervous tick and he thought I was laughing that happens with these kids these kids are terrible like high school boys I want to punch all of them so I understand but you know whatever but the point is this shouldn't be you should be resilient resistant to the paradigm of like what what you're gonna someone's trying to get you
Starting point is 00:18:10 into a conversation into a into a fucking you know decision point about like where you stand this is an agenda and like it doesn't matter what side of the agenda it's on it's not about like resist the republicans trying to push you or resist the liberals resist it at all resist the artificial conflict that's being pushed on you're not real conflict I'm not trying to dissipate the conflict of Trump versus not Trump or liberals versus Republicans or Democrat, you know, whatever. I mean, I'm not trying to say that there is no, you know, actual battleground of ideas going on. But you have to be resistant of these flashpoints, which basically amount to these like photojournal, like the equivalent of photojournalism, you know, in a, or like, the cultural
Starting point is 00:18:56 meme that they are. It's like, it's like these, this is why don't trust photojournalism in general. People have always talked about, and I'm a photographer, but, you know, trade, maybe not at the moment, but I, you know, I did my time doing, you know, wedding photography, but also, you know, but not just, you know, posing people and shit, but full journalistic weather photography. It's a genre. And, you know, I, I, I, other sorts of editorial photography where you kind of, you know, I, I know what it's like to capture people's expressions and capture, you know, emotions. I worked at a camera store for years. So I know, these, guys would come in and take pictures. I remember this guy came in and showed me this picture he took
Starting point is 00:19:35 of an acidic Jew walking down the street. And that was never the guy who was the asshole going like, hey, your shot's not composed well or like, you know, this or it's blurry. But it was just like a completely out of focus shot. I just reflexively, I'm like, it's out of focus. He's like, what doesn't matter? It captured something. I'm like, what did you capture? He's like, oh, of course, this feeling of like, people think you, like, if you isolate a moment, because yeah, if you isolate, this picture, the guy looked. I don't know, solemn or reflective? Here's the point.
Starting point is 00:20:04 I've done plenty of times myself in pictures. You, you, you capture a moment and you feel like you're capturing the truth in a moment, some larger truth. And doing enough, I really realized when you actually do it is you're just creating bullshit
Starting point is 00:20:20 out of thin air. Because, look, if you're, the human, the typical film frame, for instance, just 24 frames a second, right? So you have 24 segments of second to isolate any given time if you were you know if you you capture some like these split second moments anyone can look solemn anyone can look like an asshole that's why a lot of times people just have weird expressions on their face in pictures because the photographer sucks and can't you know
Starting point is 00:20:45 they're doing in the in the opposite way you know we just you're not you're capturing the weird moment where that face was gyrated in a terrible way and the person didn't look like that but in the same way you do that in a positive way where you capture this moment where this fucking the best man a wedding where like you know if you were watching the whole day he's just drunk and like you know grabbing ass and doing coke with his with the groom and like you know
Starting point is 00:21:09 and yelling racial epitats but you catch that one moment where he's looking at the bride and the groom and he's on the altar and he looks like he's just got a solemn look of like there's couple I have so much love in my heart and it's a beautiful moment and it's this bullshit it doesn't exist you made something I have nothing
Starting point is 00:21:25 you create this artificial narrative you know it's this cackling, you know, bridesmaids, this fat bridesmaid who squeezed herself into her dress because she couldn't stop beating the hoagies. I mean, the hoagies Long Island, it can be good, so I don't blame her, but she's squawking. You get that picture
Starting point is 00:21:42 with that right angle with the fucking flowers and the light coming through the stained glass, and it's just this is a beautiful moment. She's squawking, right? She smells like salami half the day. She won't start beating salami, and you're trying to take pictures. We're trying to do the family picture with the bridesmaids and she's just eating salami.
Starting point is 00:21:59 put this army down but this moment you call it this moment when she looks like solemn and sweet just beautiful is what love is all about and family coming
Starting point is 00:22:10 it's bullshit you've caught bullshit in a bottle and now you put it into an album and you're sold with the people and the same thing is true of the most of this full journalism you've seen throughout history I think I mean I
Starting point is 00:22:21 some of it is totally true I mean these Eorijima pictures where like they were fucking putting the flag up on the hill I mean, the whole movie about that. The one of Kleene's where it was all staged. They staged the fucking things. And what about this fucking...
Starting point is 00:22:36 Like, they're digging with a Kent State. I mean, I may be getting this... It may be confusing the universities. But that picture in the 60s with the National Guard guys with the rifles and they're putting their fucking... The hippies putting the flour into the rifle. And it's like, oh, this is such a... A vocative, beautiful moment.
Starting point is 00:22:54 A real telling moment. A real, you know, a contrast of... forces at play What is that telling you? First of all, can we not pretend I feel like I'm talking to children my whole life Can we stop being children
Starting point is 00:23:10 And just acknowledge we all know In this stage we all know That hippie knew the cameras there He knew the fucking cameras They know he's being watched He knows it's a good photo op You think he's just doing that to do it He's doing it to be seen doing it
Starting point is 00:23:25 Which is like if a take away from it Yes, it takes away from it. It's a performance, all right? The nature, the whole fucking uncertainty principle or whatever the fuck, the Heisenberg thing, whatever the fuck is called. You look at something, the looking changes it. And it's not just that. I mean, that's just one thing. In this case, you look at something, and someone knows you're looking, and they're doing something different.
Starting point is 00:23:47 So, yeah, you're not capturing it. You're capturing this artificial fucking, oh, it tells a bigger truth, though. No, it doesn't. you know what tells bigger truths words you know a fucking descriptive paragraph would tell a bigger truth about what the fuck i'm supposed to take away from this it's nice don't get i get the subtext and i get you put the fucking thing in the foreground and the other thing in the background and one of them's blurry one of them's not and you juxtaposition we love to use juxtaposition the juxtaposition of two things if you're not familiar with the german term juxtaposition
Starting point is 00:24:23 it's just you take a It's Banksy or whatever It's just fucking You take a trash can You know A junkyard And you put a little You get a picture of a flower
Starting point is 00:24:34 In the foreround And it looks at a juxtaposition The two things It's the simplest form of art And all those juxtapose These two things All right what's that mean Well you've
Starting point is 00:24:43 You've put these two things together That you know They have a contrasting visual You know sense In this case In this Native American This kid face kid and a solemn face Native American.
Starting point is 00:24:56 It's a juxtaposition. I mean, this is a video. And look, what do I know about the Native American guy? Does he have pure intentions? I guess it doesn't matter. Don't be a rat-faced kid to the guy. But also, like, I mean,
Starting point is 00:25:11 you don't be a rat-faced kid. But in the day, like, but what am I learning from this? That some kid was a rat-faced kid. And then, like, and then what? What are we building off of this? We know half the country doesn't agree with us
Starting point is 00:25:24 whoever we are unless you don't have any opinion but if you have one of the two major opinions half the country doesn't agree with you all right so we hate each other you mean you only do false equivalencies but the end of the day most people on either side
Starting point is 00:25:39 are not you might be on the right side but the odds are a lot of people don't really have the appropriate appreciation of all the facts all the permutations to really be smug about anything there's a lot of smugness in this country and just because you might happen to be on what would be the right side or wrong side doesn't give you the right to be smug okay
Starting point is 00:26:02 doesn't give you the right to just fucking act superior because you happen to have you know and especially the age of trump because you can make the argument like oh Trump is such an abhorrent outlier that you know to intend to not agree with him or to agree with him is such a bold departure from a cultural norm, whatever the fuck you would make the case. I can totally sympathize at that point. But also, it's such a fucking obvious point. There's no, to be smug, you should be asking a larger question about why when this guy is acting the way he's acting, which I agree is important.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And I agree, I think he's racist. And I think a lot of, you know, these policies are terrible. And I think they're basically, you know, they can be aptly described as neo-fascist. necessarily everything he stands for or everything republicans yeah that's that's more accurate let's say everything republican stands for is inherently fascist but trump is acting in a what you would call and not just him but you know in a global sense we're seeing this phenomenon this neo-fascist kind of style of you know basically using you know aggressive rhetoric using other you know using the other in this case our cases immigrants and a lot of
Starting point is 00:27:17 world is immigrants but in passive Jews and in Germany and uh fascist Italy they had the communists I guess but you know the point is these are tactics it's more it's the tactics being used and yeah some of it the policies and I don't agree with the Republican Party in general but to look at and this phenomenon
Starting point is 00:27:36 and not to ask yourself why is this happening to immediately just look and go wow they must just be all racist and evil it's just it's unproductive and I'm not saying like we should like you you fucking handhold people and like you know who
Starting point is 00:27:51 who are fucking acting like scum but you have to look at where this came from like people are basically they're not that great people are not that remarkable you have people who rise above their position for sure i mean great people who are history is why they're great people and you're people who you know moderately do it but to a lot of people they basically giving a certain set of stimuli will act a certain way it's just kind of we're not you know we're not completely you know animals devoid of free will but we're also not you know
Starting point is 00:28:23 this is not some kind of you know Athenian you know court where we just they have courts in Athenia I don't know this is not some
Starting point is 00:28:31 we're not the remarkable people we're not the fucking you know we're the great citizens of America and we're all debating the points and having this great debate no I mean we're basically animals and we're easily programmed
Starting point is 00:28:45 I mean and our programming has been you know at least for a hundred years years now about. You know, with guys like Edward Bernays, who was the founder of, you know, what we call public relations. He was the, it was a nephew of Sigmund Freud. I mean, some people like the shit on Sigmund Freud or kind of, you know, ah, he was a kook who just talking about, you know, fucking your mother or, you know, just all you do all his cocaine. Yeah, yeah, he was, there's a lot of weird shit with Freud, but I mean, most of his
Starting point is 00:29:11 stuff, most of his, what you call it, teachings, his theories, they were put into practice by his nephew, Edward Bernays, who pioneered the public relations industry, which is not just, you know, not just for selling products, it wasn't for selling wars and selling policy, you know, they've been doing this for years now.
Starting point is 00:29:31 They know how malleable we are. I mean, he wrote a book called propaganda. And then back then it was like not this dirty word that we, it might not have been the most clean word, but it was kind of the scene as just kind of, propaganda was the, uh,
Starting point is 00:29:46 the art of you know kind of persuading or manipulating the public and it wasn't seen as that crazy back then I guess I mean honestly it's like it shouldn't be seen as that crazy now it's done all the time we get somehow acting with propaganda is alien to us when like we do it constantly
Starting point is 00:30:02 but I mean the argument was basically made you know if you have a free society the way we're supposed you know America supposedly has a free society and you just allowed the people to just have their uh their whims or whatever, you know, people just
Starting point is 00:30:17 unmoified, unchecked, have their representative forces at play. You know, you have chaos in society. You need to have a two-party system and basically have choices to be limited and have the scope of, you know, the scope of debate be limited. And, you know, look, from a practical point of view,
Starting point is 00:30:38 it's probably, you know, you can probably agree with that to a certain extent. There's probably some logic to that. But, you know, that's really not a view of humanity inspires any hope and you know at the end of the day I might sound cynical but the last hope I have is that people yeah maybe we can rise above our basic
Starting point is 00:30:53 binary animal state and not you know but that's the thing if unless we do rise above it then they're right they're right they win so it's just the same way I've always said when you see someone when you see a fucking
Starting point is 00:31:10 event happen and then people start going we should you know we should start going to war over this some 9-11 type thing happens some fucking attack uh and people talk on well we should go to war or you know just the initial it's not that the thing is fake you don't go to immediate Alex Jones mode and go this is fake and bullshit and try to make a conspiracy theory but you put it into a mode of like well who's benefiting why am i being asked to to believe this to act on this
Starting point is 00:31:43 you know you when when when when you're giving a binary like this in this case isn't this is not a war thing but this is a case where you have like a binary we have a you're basically being fed this kind of like us versus them narrative on something that doesn't matter to anyone but the people involved i mean is it applicable in some like you know if you're in a philosophy class maybe but really it's an irrelevant story this this is them trying to capture the media trying to capture a flashpoint and you know and have this moment where like it really summed up whatever the tensions were at the time you know of this country in this country and it's bullshit I'm not saying the kid wasn't wrong or his kids weren't wrong but you know doesn't matter that's the thing it's the larger why is this the larger question of society I mean maybe it's just maybe it's an escapeable part of the technology of it all the social media thing like You know, maybe it's just... I mean, I don't want to be the Luddite guy saying, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:48 the Internet kind of ruins society. I always kind of scoffed the idea of it in years before, but it really does seem like the Internet has kind of ruined everything. Not in everything. I like the fact I can go on YouTube and watch cool videos about video games and medieval armor. And all these things I didn't even know I cared about. You know, like, oh, look, I was just watching a video about what peasants ate? the middle ages and it's like apparently the darker the bread the poorer you were because you know
Starting point is 00:33:18 and like you know because the rich only rich people get their uh their bread with their with the flower bleached or whatever disguised as skies the word whatever you whatever you used to clean the barley the outer barley off the barley these are interesting facts and like i love having them available to me but then you look at the arab spring and they go that wasn't as great maybe there was no answer because the answer is like you know the answer is always something like well maybe the government should figure out some way to fucking you know contain this and that's also like i mean not to be this guy who fears the government but that a let's not act like they don't want to at the end there isn't a thing called the nsa that basically wants to you know control all information flow the CIA doesn't also spy nonce people and you know use propaganda against us and try to you know let's not be naive children. I mean, this idea that, like, you know, you're a kook if you think that, you know,
Starting point is 00:34:17 and this is this horseshit, but also not everything's conspiracy. Some of it is just, you know, the practical realities of living in a weird democracy in the 21st century. It's a little bit of both. But the reality is, like, even if they were going to do it, they're just not that good at it. I mean, the one thing, I'll give a lot of leeway to people who argue against conspiracy theory sometimes, like, because I get the instinct. I mean, there is a fetishizing of scepticalness with conspiracies that people do
Starting point is 00:34:46 but I get the instinct and not especially when you see something like fucking Pizza Gate or like Alex Jones with the Sandy Hook shit
Starting point is 00:34:54 where like people just the unformed idiots are just you know chomping at the bit but like you know as reasonable
Starting point is 00:35:03 as you want to be the echo chamber of psychopaths listening to you might you know take the ball and run with it and in the case of Alex Jones
Starting point is 00:35:10 he's not exactly to be reasonable to begin with so I get that you don't want to be a part of that and you see the dangers of that it's it's complicated but same time this is fetishizing of like you know people want to lump in the conspiracy with like any kind of anti-government thought and the idea that you would question the government's ability to regulate things i'm not saying that i'm against regulation but let's not pretend
Starting point is 00:35:34 if they're good at it either all right maybe the EPA yeah it's probably better they're there I'm sure those regulations. It also depends on the field. They're probably better at environmental regulations. But, you know, financial regulations. They're not good at all at that. I mean, a lot of what they've done, you know, for instance, with the bonds, the bond agencies, the rating agencies. You know, just a small kernel of it.
Starting point is 00:35:58 You know, the fact that, you know, they really weren't that prevalent. They didn't have that much power until, I guess, Congress, you know, basically enacted legislation. or maybe it was the SEC. I'm not sure exactly how it went down, but they're basically saying that, you know, pension funds couldn't invest in bonds unless they had AAA rating, which makes sense on service
Starting point is 00:36:18 because you have people's pensions and retirements in your hands. You can't go betting them, you know, the farm on some fucking risky investment. You want to keep it, you know, something sound. And, you know, makes sense, sure. But then what you basically did was create a college industry where these rating agencies,
Starting point is 00:36:33 because you just have to do your research, right? You said, like, you know, when you're an investor, You just have to like kind of look at what was actually the reasonable safety of an investment and the soundness of it. And now when you go, you either buy AAA or don't buy anything. So AAA becomes this fucking binary situation where it's like, well, if it has AAA, we can buy it. So now you've removed that level of implied, you know, self-disciplined research. you're going to give something and you're just fucking now it's either it's triple a or not and so basically
Starting point is 00:37:15 you gave the power of these rating agencies to eventually become rating shops where like you know as they were under financial pressure because they also they went public and they were had their own bottom lines to worry about I think that happened around you know the time of the mortgage you know the mortgage boom so you know of course they're going to you know start to fucking just give shitty investments triple A and like and therefore like you know The more you kind of molly-collo people, the less they're going to be skeptical going to be. It's just kind of an inherent thing.
Starting point is 00:37:45 It's not to say that, like, regulation makes people stupid. Like, you don't take anything to the extreme. But these tendencies are at play, right? So, like, yeah, the government's not great at regulating shit. And, like, to say that, it's not to say that you're, like, some Republican who's anti-regulation or some libertarian Coke brother, you know, cuck. Some Coke, Coke, Cuck.
Starting point is 00:38:05 Can we start that term, the Coke cuck? I guess the Coke's, really aren't in the news that much anymore they're not really a big that would be great though to do the coke cuck back in the day not the river off the trump cuck thing and that's chris stanley's thing shout to chris stanley from my society radio uh but yeah he used to do that thing but uh coke cuck that would have been fun hard to say for me at least but whatever we're moving the point is i don't know where we go i'm not a guy saying regulate the internet to the point where we can't revolt or anything but that seems to be where we're going the kid had a shitty
Starting point is 00:38:39 But I want to punch all kids. Well, not all kids. Let's just say, you know, boys from the age of 12 to 16 or 18, they're all punchable to me. And I think, you know, what might stand here is the most controversial thing I said is I could take high school to Bron James in the fight or high school Tom Brady or high school big unit Randy Jackson. Yeah. I stand by it. I'll take my lumps. If I can go back in time and fight them, I would.
Starting point is 00:39:07 And I'll take my lumps if I lose. but I feel like I'm just not going to ever fear a high school boy and I don't think that Native American guy did either so let's stop pretending that he did um we can say a lot well everything else you know they should there's disrespectful disgraceful but don't act like he was afraid of him that guy would wipe the floor with that fucking kid and all four of his friends all right so let's remember that that kid not taking that guy uh Venezuela we're moving on this is bad shit critical I just want to spend a minute
Starting point is 00:39:39 so Venezuela got Maduro in power there I'll be honest I'm not the most informed guy about Venezuela it seems to have always been pretty you know if you're Oliver Stone you love Chavez Chavez apparently was a great a great savior
Starting point is 00:39:54 I mean here's the problem we did so much fucking around down there in the Cold War and then you know for years afterwards destroying these countries that's the big problem with his immigration shit. A lot of these this fucking, the rise
Starting point is 00:40:09 of these gangs that are pushing a lot of these people to migrate out of Central America comes from us shipping like MS-13 guys at some point back to like these countries because they were like from El Salvador but like they hadn't been there in like a decade or two I'm not even sure they were born there
Starting point is 00:40:25 and was shipping these people back and then you're surprised they take over the country and they made the country of war zone and this is the same kind of thinking that goes with like you know I don't know how much we in Venezuela in particular, but the general tone of the Cold War you know
Starting point is 00:40:42 it wasn't great. We did a lot of damage down there and so I mean my point is when Oliver Stone makes him video his little documentary about Chavez I guess I guess where he's coming from because you see how much shit we're doing all over the place and Chavez probably wasn't as evil as we
Starting point is 00:40:57 made him out to be but I guess Maduro guy I think he's even worse I think they've been going through like crazy inflation point is so this the opposition guy fucking calls a day of protests where all the opposition
Starting point is 00:41:11 kind of unified behind him and then Trump or his administration basically well definitely Trump came out and like acknowledged him as the interim president this fucking guy called which is like look when are we going to learn
Starting point is 00:41:27 I don't know where we get the power to decide whose people's leaders are where we can just in polite society say we're looking for regime change in this country when did that become like how is that now that like how are we pretending that we're a
Starting point is 00:41:43 republic and then we're kind of as we believe in the democratic whatever you know state of operations and now we're going to fucking just openly we just all the time we call out people go we're looking for regime change in this country how is like how is that fit with diplomacy
Starting point is 00:41:59 it doesn't like you basically if we were that's the thing we are always looking for a war footing. We may be in between wars any given time, but we're always up for a war, and we're always up for limiting the options
Starting point is 00:42:14 in the overall aim of getting to a war. Again, how does actually manifest? Is Trump actually trying to get into a war of Venezuela? No, I don't know. Maybe, maybe not, but the idea is that we don't seem as a country to value diplomacy.
Starting point is 00:42:31 The value, what is you having for a while? we we kind of especially in Republican administrations but also I mean like honestly like you know if you remember you know Clinton um Hillary Hillary was
Starting point is 00:42:44 you know Obama they all had a hard on for Russia I mean one of them one of those Democratic guys came out pretty early on with a hard on for Iran or a fucking they're always kind of hard on for someone
Starting point is 00:42:57 like they won't even if it's just that you're trying to like posture yourself to not look weak But, you know, at the end of the day, if everyone's trying not to look weak, what do you have? You have a bunch of fucking, you know, alpha cucks, you know, just putting, selling weapons to each other. That's what you have. So my point is, I don't know what the value of, I mean, are we really thinking that, like, you know, because basically the guy pushed all the diplomats out of Venezuela, which is good, because, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:27 I guess, you know, where do our spies work? Do they work at the embassy? they do they work at the embassy so yeah we've gotten a little of our spies out of the country at least a lot of the bulk of them i'm sure it's a few guys left but i mean your your genius move has pushed in the time of turmoil all of the spies out of the country no one see the problem with that i mean they wouldn't think i mean it was kind of foreseeable to me that if you start calling for if you start calling this this guy who was calling for a day of protest the interim president of Venezuela that he might push the you know the diplomats out of the
Starting point is 00:44:06 country along with because what do you think spies work you know you maybe don't know spies the CIA tend to unless they're like kind of very specialized people and there's also sort of exceptions but generally the CIA they're they're all working as dip with diplomatic cover they're all half the guy I mean a certain amount of guys at the state department in the embassy of any given country working the CIA and they have like their own little floor in the the embassy because the CIA station and they have a day of a day job for the state department they do and they have two jobs and basically and then they also do their CIA shit where they were you know recruit people and they blackmail people and hey we got a picture of you fucking some of the guy's
Starting point is 00:44:45 wife and you better to betray your country I mean let's not perfect they're not good people but they're gathering information at least it's a job that probably needs to be done not the way they're doing it but you know we need some information and point is you got really you guys Now you don't have that. Now you've lost a big chunk of your, you know, intelligence infrastructure because you wanted to go on Twitter and it's not just Trumping Trump. This is a really clumsy case of it.
Starting point is 00:45:12 But, I mean, we do it all the time. I think you, your Bush do it. You even hear Obama talk about regime change. I forget who. Don't call it. I think in Syria they were talking about that with Assad, right? I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure he called for it too.
Starting point is 00:45:27 It's just, look, you know, you. You either, you negotiate, you don't. I mean, look, yeah, would you call for regime change with Hitler? I guess, but, like, you're not going to get it by calling for it. We think you're going to, like, emboldened the fucking people. Yeah, you emboldened people to revolt against their people. You start attacking the country. And if you want the fucking the French rebel, the French resistance to start attacking Vichy France,
Starting point is 00:45:55 you start bombing Normandy. I'm sure there was probably no bigger boon for the French resistance than the, invasion of normandy because like us we're actually doing this because every other time we do this we seem to get people killed the fucking bay of pigs yeah like that was calling for regime change that was calling for fucking hey yeah get these uh anti Castro you on a castra yeah we'll support you in the last minute we pull out I mean it's complicated you know Kennedy and Trump and they end up killing Kennedy over it but that's not the point the point is you know why we we we is no clean sweep
Starting point is 00:46:32 these are not going to be I don't even know what the politics are here but the point is it's just can we just not meddle so much if you're going to metal do it but don't fuck this this meddling nonsense I don't know I just don't uh I don't get it
Starting point is 00:46:49 I feel like I'm advocating for the CIA right now it's not what I'm trying to do but I'm sure they'd agree with me they're ass out and that's part of the thing that happened with the fucking Iranian thing back in 70s. I mean, it wasn't the same exact situation, but, you know, because of the
Starting point is 00:47:06 church, was it church commissions or whatever? What were the post-Waragate commissions were that investigated the plumbers and shit? If I can, came out and they were all these like restrictions for the intelligence agencies, the CIA, and they weren't able to do the same kind of shit overseas, and they were a little bit hobbled. So they didn't know when the fucking revolution was happening, that happened. And it was kind of a part of the issue there. So I mean, in a similar vein,
Starting point is 00:47:31 have this we have a fucking situation where you know who knows what we're gonna miss now i mean but uh it probably have good to have a few guys behind the scenes there you know blackmailing people but also maybe gathering some intel yeah you know hey general i hear you have a gambling problem are you gonna help me with that no we're gonna fuck you better fucking pay up or we're gonna like you know take a picture of your wife's tit and mail it to the president i'm not sure how it works i wouldn't be a great spy but i didn't provide i'd be decent at it a lot of it just seems to be sexual blackmail and, like, you know, buying people hookers, but, uh, but they're not in the country anymore. So that's, I don't know. There's a, uh, we'll close. There's a story of this brain
Starting point is 00:48:12 dead woman or mentally vegetative state woman who's impregnated by a nurse. Um, it's really terrible. Um, I don't know what to make of it. Uh, people have been asking me about a couple people because I've worked in the morgue. I have no insight. I want people to stop getting insight did i have insight into people fucking you know people who are either dead or don't have you know no i we never that was very professional and all of us were and uh we didn't do it and uh i will say you know if anyone isn't aware of the story the story the a nurse working in a facility with a woman in a vegetative state because he impregnated her and she had a baby i'm you know I don't tell you
Starting point is 00:48:59 I will tell you I don't know where you get out of that I mean just try to get into a relationship with a woman or a man and like you know share something just cuddle with them how what are you feeling when you do that it can't be that good I mean I guess someone's you could argue someone's not in the right
Starting point is 00:49:16 mental state if they're going to do that but the other day I mean you just lonely like stop just talk to someone go on to start playing chess online and chat with the guy playing chair a woman playing chess not for sex but just try to meet people but go go play call of duty and meet people not the best place to meet people but just communicate with people you don't need to
Starting point is 00:49:36 fucking animate object or around people who are not the person of vegetative states and an adamant object you know you don't have to do that to people you shouldn't do that's a crime and it's a crime against humanity but I mean it's also like you shouldn't feel like you need to and I'm I'm there are probably people who could reach these people and get through them I'm not sure about the guy I just like cut cut the shit I would just say in general, cut the shit. I just try to be aware when people are trying to push you into a box and just cut the shit. And good luck to the people of Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:50:09 I hope you do get a better government. I mean, I'm not sure if this one will be a better government, but I'll just hope it gets better there because you've had it rough for a while. I mean, those people could use a break. Good luck to you. So it's been great. You can check me out on Instagram and Twitter. It's at Ray Kump on both platforms, and look forward to next week.

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