Kump - 98 - Kumpaganda

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

Ray and Lucie discuss The Shield, Copaganda, Whoopi Goldberg and Maus, and much more. Sign up at https://www.patreon.com/RayKump for an extra episode every week! Get your Kump Hand merch https://bonfire.com/store/kump/

Hello and welcome to Kump. Hello. Hello, Lucy. Hi. You were a little condescending just a minute ago. I didn't mean to be, but... You see, just to set the stage, I suppose. you know I don't know if we like we should get a nice wood table right that would be nice

something something nicer something to elevate the visual status but in the meantime this black table you know I know it's not the clean this table I mean I don't know if a pow well picks up on camera there's some dust there's some dirt but I did know this right before we rolled that there was a couple what I called orange specks there what can you can you just flick away because they're closer to you flick away those orange specks whatever they are. Look, I started flicking away what I thought was one of them.

You said, no, not those. The orange ones. They're clearly orange. Are you colorblind? I didn't finish the word color. I almost think of color blind. And I said that I started flicking them away and I just informed you that those were not orange.

Well, say how you said it. It's like those, those are an orange. That's not what you did. They're not orange. They're not orange. They're not orange. They're not orange. Yeah, that's what I said.

They're not orange. and I started saying well orange is pretty close to close to you said it's not orange they're brown yeah I said well you know orange is pretty close to brown you know if you think about burnt sienna whatever you know copper

and what was your response and I said well they're definitely not they're definitely not orange because they're flakes of a croissant a croissant you were eating a croissant I was eating okay and I was being a little bit of a messy baby with and you get a little bratty about it

but I was like but I was just I was just a little bit floored that you interpreted, like, brown croissant flanks to be orange. Well, like I said, Bert, I don't know how much time you spent with crayola crayons as a kid. I think we need to start getting into shades with you now because you're starting to blur the lines between what normal people view as color because you're, you have an eye for color. As a butcher? So you, as a butcher. Yeah, but when you're cutting all those slabs of meat, like, you know, you got it. That's how you tell it how fresh it is.

Sure. And so you can tell all these shades of red. That's why I need a vector scope. Yeah. So, you know, you need to start saying, like, that burnt sienna flake. Oh, so you want me to go more in detail with color. You want me to be like a douchebag about it. Yeah.

There's a slight orange you there. Can we adjust for that? Can we lower the saturation on that? Then I just blow my brains out. And you go, what color is my blood? oh that kind of leads in perfectly to the I wish one day we'll be good at this at the same time because which one into which one

oh you're right okay yeah you're right so we have been we've been dropping little hints about it or little nuggets and we finished last week but we watched the entire series of the shield it was Lucy's first time yeah amazing show

honestly I watched it at I mean I got a couple seasons in late but you know by the third season I was caught up I watched it you know as it aired but you know and my stance has always been

that it's the greatest show of all time and definitely the prestige ever whatever we'll call it the golden age of television which is over anyone who tells you like there's some kind of because there's 800 shows on like maybe maybe one of them is good

like succession is still good I'm not saying look euphoria might be okay it might be good but there's really nothing out there like you know the shield the sopranos the wire um I watched some of euphoria

is good no I wouldn't say so look it's like some of the cinematography achievements in it are impressive really impressive yeah I would say they call them they do like a little whirly bird movements

while they're puking, puking up their PCP? You know, they do some interesting things with the video. I don't want to slander the show. It's controversial because of underage girls in high school. Are they also, like, hooking? That's what I was going to say. It's like, despite anything that you might say, like, is impressive about it, like, it's still just like these, like, grown people coming up with, like,

pornographically horrific ideas for, like, situations. situations a teen could be in. Right. It's like, it's still like. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah.

Yeah. Are they hooking to get, to get drugs in the show? Not really. Maybe there's a... So how pornographic is it get? What are they doing then? Well, it's like... That's the real story.

That would be the real euphoria is like, we really like drugs. We don't have money, so we hooked together. It's not that, you know, innovative. But it's been happening for at least a decade. That's true. I'm kidding. Forever. So, so, uh, was end up.

I, her character. Spider-Man's girlfriend. Spider-Man's girlfriend is a drug addict. You know, too smart for her own good drug addict. I was too smart for my own good, I don't know what you call it. I wasn't straight-edge on purpose. Yeah.

But I remember, we told this story, right? I don't know. When it was like, I got really frustrated because I was trying to make a movie and someone dropped out at the last minute and I wanted to pour myself a drink. And my dad just starts yelling at him. I'm like, no.

It's a drug, Raymond. So, I mean, you know, I don't know if I can relate to these Worley Bird kids. I don't keep saying Worley Bird, but it applies, right? No, I say, I know what you're talking about. And then there's a little, like, there's a trans girl who's fucking all of these older men and getting exploited by older men. And it's like, they're getting exploited, too. Yeah. Well, I don't know.

Can you say that about sensory rapists? Do they know just underage? Well, it's not that, I don't think that ever becomes a thing. Like, it's like... Why is it ever a thing? It should always be a thing. Yeah. It should at least be a thing you like, I mean...

Because it's clearly some executive producers' fantasy about fucking an underage trans girl. And then it's just like cool afterwards. All right. And then it's just like... It never even becomes an issue. Like she's kind of traumatized, but like nobody, you know, nothing ever comes about it. I mean, I knew girls in high school who were... It's all just in this amoral soup.

I knew girls in high school who were dating, uh, and then presumed, and having sex, I guess, with, like, college guys. Sure. No, no, yeah, these aren't college guys. Okay, yeah. And, like, yeah, even then, it was like, I mean, nothing happened from it, but, like, I remember, like, being, like, that's weird.

And then, like, she showed me his ID. I remember this one girl. We were in a study hall. He was a kind of a friend. And he's like, oh, he's just, like, a college ID or whatever it was. I'm like, why do you have it? Like, I just wanted to keep it.

But in hindsight, that seems much more nefarious. Like, it's just, like, blackmail. Like, you know, I don't know what you want. You know, I don't know. think she was drunk of the car off the guy. Right. It was like, I got your idea. I'll call me a fuck me.

But whatever. I'm not trying to make the underage girl the antagonist here. But I mean, yeah, whatever. So what do they do? They come up with weird plot. We're getting far away from the shield here. I don't know. Yeah, let's go back to the shield because it's, I don't know.

It's just, it's, it's grassy with like better production value. Sure, it's Spider-Man's girlfriend. Yeah. But so, yeah, so we watch the shield, but I was worried it wouldn't hold up as much. I know it's a much more touchy subject, the corrupt cops, beating up minorities. Which is, but in hindsight, it has way more, I mean, there are visceral moments where it's like, yeah, you're on, you're kind of on this anti-hero side, sort of. Yeah.

But it's like, it is much more aware than I remember. But of that. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, like, they never like, what I was saying to you before. was like they never let you feel good about the fact that Michael Chichliss is just like tasering a guy in the balls after he's already on the ground

and even when you feel good about it you feel bad about feeling good yeah I don't know it's a but the arc of the story is far superior of almost anything it's been made yeah um whatever that's not what we're here to talk about it's an old show

I don't think you could accuse the shield of romanticizing the cops like no but there is like it no it's aware of like the effect of like anytime you have a protagonist and you kind of do and like it part it's also kind of willful like you kind of get like seduces this side on some like moments but then it's immediately like it's just it whatever this is not the point of the show yeah but there's a character on the shield and I didn't tell you at first I knew about this you know a few years

after the fact but I knew about it and I didn't want to like color your uh view of the character uh because of what the actor did subsequently right but uh so then I just forgot to tell you for like a week but last night i uh so i there's a character called julian played by michael jace who is a pretty complex character he's like a closeted gay guy the first season and then like he comes out he didn't come out on purpose but it's like you know beaten up beaten up by his like co-workers but then he uh does like conversion therapy and it kind of works but suppress it's like whatever it's a very complicated plot i think you end up kind of empathizing with this guy.

Yeah. He ended up murdering his wife. This actor. The actor, not the character. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, it's the details of it that I think, you know, the reason we're bringing this up or interesting I think. It's one of those things where it's like, yeah, anytime you hear about somebody murdering

their spouse, you don't assume that there's like a great story behind it. Right. But I wouldn't call it a great story. But it's a hell of a story. No, by great I don't mean like, oh, that's a great story. I don't mean like, you don't assume that there's going to. be some story behind it that completely clears them a fault. No, sure.

But this was maybe one of the most, like, some of the most incriminating details I've ever heard in like a domestic violence killing. Like, it's like... I think it's, well, it starts off with, like, if you read about the story, that he calls 911 says, I've shot my wife. Right. It's just like, oh, so there's our trial here. So that's pretty straightforward.

But also sometimes, like, the fact that they're calling will sometimes, like, maybe make you wonder, it's like, oh. okay, you know, maybe, again, I didn't think this, but sometimes in certain contexts it'll make you think like, oh, well, maybe, maybe there was a, there was a confrontation, like maybe. Or like Oscar, but was it, Pistorius? Yeah.

The, uh, what do they call him, the wave runner? The blade runner? The guy who had no legs. We had the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I was going to say the legless guy, but I was like, that can't be the right way to say that. Well, he doesn't have, like, I mean, he, he, he, he, he is. missing legs and probably the moment he is too i think you could call him legless right yeah i don't think

he's the most look if you were bringing him up to give him a lifetime achievement award uh or like or like you know you're presiding over his wedding i don't think you'd be like and you legless man oscar per store stories uh i think he'd probably leave us up now as like you know champion runner or uh killer of your of girlfriend yeah but i think even if i was his best man i would feel that need to be like he is a champion runner but he also has blades instead of legs so you have to make of that what you will like you can't i think short of i mean without the murder i think most people would make something good out of it i don't know why look he look he he's overcome adversity does it give him a disadvantage does it give him an advantage who knows he's overcome

adversity uh he's done this all without the use of his legs and so you interpret that fact sometimes sometimes Guys without legs will take advantage of that. Well, what if the blades actually make you super aerodynamic? There was a lot of debate about that. Oh, really? Yeah, no, about whether, like... Did I stumble into a good point? Yeah, well, I know if it's a good, I mean, look, I don't know.

I was just trying to be difficult. Before he was convicted of murdering his girlfriend, I don't know if it was considered the ablest, but there was definitely speculation or debate because, like, the way they had, like, this spring action to him, they kind of mean, people argued that, like, they pushed him forward or whatever. some level. Fuck, yeah. But, you know, I mean, I think you have a certain, I think your legs, I think there's also

a certain benefit to having legs. So I'm not sure how, like, the way that. Right. Yeah. I think legs probably makes a lot of things easier. So. Some things. I don't want to make light of it by pointing out of things that could make easier

that not have legs. But you could use your imagination. I would definitely not be going down this road if he wasn't a murderer. I thought you could say, I thought you can say it's definitely would not be going down I mean, it would make blowjobs easier, right? For you to give. I don't know if they'd make it easier. Or me to give.

I don't know if they'd make it easier for us to give him blow jobs. Like, because the blades are sticking out. I think he takes those off for bedtime. Generally, you do a blow job on kind of your knees. So it's like. I think he takes those off of bed time. Even if you're doing, even if you're on your knees on the bed. I might say you have to be in a system.

subservient He takes the blades off For bedtime Does he? I think so I feel like If the blades were my claim To fame

I would want to keep them on During sex Well like we had a girlfriend Like he's not like I'm sure the first time He had sex with a woman He kept them on And he goes like

How do you like it With the Blade Runner He blades you You get run You're getting run over By the blade runner Yeah Yeah

Yeah I'm a champion Yeah That's the blade runner Fucking you But that being said, but yeah, I think he claimed when he shot his girlfriend that he thought she was a robber, which I think was debunked or whatever you call it in the trial. Right.

But that's not what Michael Jace was about. No, no, no. So he was married to April Jace. Okay. Can you read the thing more recently? I'm going to let you tell the story. I was like screaming as I was reading it. I was like, if it was a, her name was April Jase, she was, this is,

Obviously very sad. No, it's a horrific story. It's also insane. Yeah, it's an horrific story. Like, so April Jace was this like championship runner. Right. Right. And so, and this is according to his son, right?

Right. Right. On like the night that he was like questioned by the cops, I guess. Like the way he killed her was he actually shot her in the legs? Yeah. And then he said after shooting her in the legs, he said, you like running so much? Why don't you try running to heaven? Right.

Which sounds like something I would say. Right. Which the first time I read it, I laughed a little bit just because it sounds so much like something you would say. Yeah, like I'm always like every time I'm referencing someone, you know, who's about to get killed. You know, my favorite go-to line, say hello to the Grim Reaper. Enjoy fronting to happen. So, yeah, that's a tragic story. But yeah, it's mostly horrific.

Yeah. There's a bunch of funny about it except for that it kind of sounded like something you would say. Right. There's a long way to go to get to the, I just want to get my Grim Reaper line in. say hello i should make shirts to say that sailor the grim reaper it's just me as the grim reaper yeah

um so yeah but the shield's phenomenal everyone should watch the shield not enough people watch the shield it's uh it gets people talk about breaking bad a lot breaking bag is breaking bag breaking bad is dog shit compared to this

they almost have a similar milieu of like don't act like i'm like you leave me out dry here But, like, you know, no, I was saying during the, when we were watching it, like, like, Michael Chickless is the real Walter White. Yeah. It's like, it's like, this is, because he is kind of like in a position to do a lot of illegal things. He is presumably doing it for his family, right.

Even though they don't seem to come into play a lot. Yeah. He's always telling them to shut up and do nothing. Yeah. No, that's great. Yeah. Birds like birds a guy. I don't want to tell you one.

Great plot. Speaking of shows and movies. Where am I going with this? Nomad land. No, I'm kidding. There was someone on Twitter, which is causing a... Oh, yeah.

A bit of a... Some might have a confroffle on Twitter. I don't know. It's really the most... I think I got maybe... I have a decent amount of followers, right? I have, like, what, 44 that, no? Like, the whole thing of me following 350,

350 people, maybe I just start following some people. Yeah. Maybe it gets better when you follow more, because right now it's very, it seems like a very, I think it's a diverse group of ideas. It's like I've left this and I have crazy people. I don't know, it just, but it just seems like it's getting more and more tough.

I mean, the Rogan thing, I don't know It just feels very aggressive And there's nothing fun going on I should follow more like I should follow carrot top maybe Well there's like agents like It's weird how much people don't realize

Considering how conspiratorial everyone is Yeah it's weird how much people don't realize When they're clearly being manipulated by like Someone else's media strategy Like it's like right There's clearly a media strategy against Rogan right now A hundred percent That doesn't mean that you absolve him of everything he did

but it's also like, I'm not the popes or who might absolve anyone. Right. But yeah, like, look, some of the stuff that came out this week, it's like, yeah, it's not great. But it's like, it's in a, but it's like misinformation, which we spoke about us a lot on the Patreon this week. But like misinformation is the new terrorism. Right.

It's the new, like, you know, cold orange. Don't go outside today. You and someone might use a shoe with a blow up a plane, right? Now it's just like, Rogue is responsible for, you know, World War I because of his podcast. you know, it's just, it's, and like, the guy, I don't know. Like, again, like, if we, if the society can't survive, Rogan, you know, choosing people on his podcast, like,

maybe it's like missing from, okay. Yeah. Like, how are we supposed to, like, function as a society if, like, a podcast can bring it down? Yeah. That's it. We're admitting defeat. Yeah, I'm out supporting, like, I don't get down with the, the COVID vaccine conspiracy shit.

Right. But it's just like, you know. But I also don't think like... Let people talk. Yeah, the bar for misinformation. Oh, people aren't getting vaccinated. They probably weren't anyway. They probably flocked to him because he was the only one of the guys talking.

Yeah, probably. I mean, you know, I don't think a lot of people, I could be totally wrong. How many people were swayed by Rogan? I don't know. We watch Jeopardy. We always see these commercials that are just like, anytime there's a commercial trying to make you feel. hum about something.

Yeah. You just kind of freak out. Like if you're a person with any kind of contrarian instinct. Right. You're just like, why are they trying to get me to accept this so much? Yeah. Like it's like, you know, it's just, it's natural. Also, like the bar for misinformation is not that someone's wrong.

Right. It literally is like, look, there is, look, of course, who, I guess the U.S. government is in the best position to, like, you know, condemn people for misinformation. No, you're right. I mean, I mean, why don't I just admit this? Like,

why did the CIA just come out and like with the misinformation task force? I mean, what are we doing here? It's just disgusting. The hypocrisy of that. Right? Like just,

I mean, it's one thing when like, Neil Young is doing it. It's like, I guess Neil Young had a crisis of conscience. Maybe, probably not, but like,

whatever. But like, when the White House starts chiming in, it's like, no, no. whatever so the point is it's a very aggressive time on Twitter I keep trying to have fun you know I keep trying to have my weekend

and Bernie's vibe but someone came out some leftists I believe saying I watched 20 minutes of robocop has to turn it off because it was obvious copaganda what a moron no for those who were uninitiated The copaganda is propaganda for the cops. It's a very clever of term. And there's like, you could look at a lot of shows. Right. Some of which, like, I've liked over the years that it's like that are clearly, I guess, I'm not going to use that word, but it's like.

More in order. Propaganda. Any CSI. Any cop show. Not every word needs to be a silly compound. It's propaganda. This is taxaganda. Yeah.

This is suckaganda. You're trying to get me to. But I'm too smart for you. I'll shut this movie off before I suck. You know, law and order S for you is kind of propaganda. Of course it is. It's trying to make you comfortable with the idea of Chris Maloney always violating people's civil liberties.

Yeah, I'll never drink that in the shield. Like there's no like lens by which it's like kind of like he's just the good guy for beating up because they're pedophiles. Right. But like there always are pedophiles. He's the wrong guy, right? Right, it's the convenience of context. Yeah.

It's like, whereas Michael Trickless, you know, you see him, yeah, every once in a while, you see him beating up someone who, like, maybe deserves it, even if it's a violation of their rights. Yeah. But then also sometimes he's shoving a gun in a woman's mouth. I didn't coerced a confession. I just put an unloaded gun in her mouth. Yeah.

Like, he just does stuff like that. Like, what am I thinking? He's like, he shoved a gun in someone's mouth. He shoved a gun in that in that prostitute's mouth because she didn't want to, she didn't want to go along with the sting because she didn't bring, she wouldn't be able to bring the guy enough money that it would be realistic. Right. But he was only doing it to be fair to use pimp dynamics to turn to make him,

to make himself the pimp so that she would go along with it because it was in their best interest. Right, right, right. But the ludicrousness of calling. I mean, look, and many people pointed this to have. But Robocop, I can't think of a more on-the-nose satire of like the confluence of like corporations and police work and like the destruction that has on like, you know, like your urban communities. Right. And just like on a person's soul also on some level. Yeah.

So I don't know what your lefty friends over there on Twitter. Right. Or up to. But it got me thinking about, you know, what else is comedy in time? Yeah. I really should try to come up with some, you know, good examples. Mississippi burning. I'm ashamed to admit.

Is it about mega-revers? I think it's about... I don't know. I know it's about, like, racial killings, right? I don't remember it that well, but there's definitely a bunch of, like, corrupt cops. Oh, and the corrupt cops kill, like, a black guy's black kids? Okay. Okay, snob.

Thanks. With us, Tarkovsky's... I was thinking more of the Gilmore girls because I mean honestly you look if we could be really good leftists I feel like where I could I go either way I mean I think I'd be good at both I should I should really kind of auction off my powers but because I feel like I can make the case that like Stars Hollow the place where the Gilmore girls takes place is like this idealic suburban fancy land that like

kind of invokes this perpetual, what they call that, like urban exit, urban, like white flight. Oh, sure, yeah. You know, just kind of, and like this, this kind of foxy, like, you know, are there any minorities in, or black people at least in that show?

I know there's some, like, Asian people. They're few and far between. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like, you know, look, there aren't a lot of cops in the show. But, like, the implication is like, we don't need cops.

We don't need cops because if a black person ever comes here, we'll just pick up our guns and our pitchforks. We'll harass them until they leave. Or more likely the cops will watch. The cops are hiding waiting for the black people. They're just hiding in bushes. Yeah.

I see. That would be like if S&L was a good show. And also if it was 15 years ago, they would do a sketch like that. We should do a sketch like that. But as I said, 15 years ago. Yeah. It's not particularly relevant.

Who cares? Time is obsolete then. You're right. People watch the good. Let's make a sketch about it. Yeah. I'm just hiding in the... No, we're going to make it look bad.

This is a touchy subject. It's just going to be hiding in the bush and go, what are you doing? I'm waiting for a lot. And like, the satire will be... I mean, they couldn't get satire in Robocop. You're not going to get it with me. So maybe, maybe not. But what else would you call cop against out there?

I probably like Blue Bloods. I don't think you're getting the gimmick here, Lou. see to break the fourth wall I mean I'm taking not things that are about cops I'm talking about like oh things that aren't about cops yeah it's a levity thing

we're making a little riff uh uh you're you're you're your criteria is too strict it's not too strict we could talk about blue bloods and it would be fun fine

I don't think my criteria is too strict but it's like have we just don't show that aren't actually about cops and aren't actually copaganda I don't think anything's actually been copaganda more than Blue Bloods.

I never seen the show. I don't think Tom's up. All right, go ahead. I would say the Americans. The Americans, though, a show about two Russian deep cover operatives committing atrocious crimes. Right. Specifically the character of Stan.

Oh, the FBI agent. Because it implies that an FBI agent would go undercover in the KKK in order to expose them and not just join them sincerely. You're not having founded the organization. That's a good point. Yeah, because, you know, the show starts out. He's like, the first episode, I think, he gets a new partner. Like, he's the guy who's going to be, like, kind of the antagonist, right?

And he's like, and the guy's like, oh, you, you were in the cover with the white nationalist, huh? He's like, you know, what was that? Like, you know, like, burning crossed his own lawns. He's like, a little deeper than that. I started the white nationals organization. That was a funny thing, but yeah, I mean, because, like, you know, just for context, if you're not as, you know, if you look into,

you know, look at the Elohim City, right? And, you know, which is kind of the Oklahoma City bombing investigation and stuff. You know, if you go to any kind of enclave of white nationals, it's it seems like four out of five guys are federal agents. And I don't know if we're helping here. Right. Yeah, at a certain point, you're just trying to, you're just convincing mentally ill veterans to become

which like I look so you can have something to take back to your superior maybe I'm not a big picture guy maybe there's a valid point there maybe it's like the chess game of life here yeah what else is a cop

blues clues blues clues yeah I was singing a song from blues clues earlier you were and I feel like you've been propagandized I've been I've been singing about mail all day long I mean, the idea of connecting blues, like boys in blue, with clues. Oh.

When really, you know, how much are they really looking into clues? It's reinforcing an early age that the boys in blue look for clues, right? But really, they're just cramming confessions out of people by force. Sheaviments are Rikers for two years at the time. Or, look, I mean, look, I'm sure there's some guys out there who are just doing puzzles. I mean, like, you know, like crime puzzles. solving crimes but I'm just saying

but look I'm not trying to say no one's a detective but it's trying to it's trying to get that in the early age the cops look for clues they're not gonna

they're not gonna just arrest you for uh you know after planting an eight ball uh in your mouth which is what I claimed uh when I got a dewey because it's an eight ball I tried to spit it as I was driving

and it landed on my lap I don't know this is not true uh what else let's think of more examples um the bachelor the bachelor yeah he tries it just gets you into men and the idea that men are like not the idea that men are on scum i mean like the idea of these kind they're always got these broad shoulders right and like these you know classical men and just i don't know i feel like i feel like a lot of women look at cops and they just imagine the bachelor. And they fuck them and they realize, you know,

this guy playing evidence on me. In case I, in case I accused him of rape. Yeah. Something. The fly. The fly. David Cronenberg's the fly as copaganda.

How does that work? Well, you know, the part where, you know, he's turning into this kind of fly monster. Best part. Right. And, you know, Pardon the fly where the guy becomes a fly.

Oh, yeah. He's turning into like, but the final form of the fly monster, which is this disgusting, a bumblebee. Slimy, like half man, half beast kind of creature. Sure. Right. And Gina Davis comes in with a shotgun and blows the fly creature apart.

Right. You know, it just kind of gives the impression that there are these fly creatures behind every door. Oh, yeah. And that when cops bust down a door. I just start shooting randomly. Right. It's like, well, they're looking for a fly creature.

Why did you shoot Amadee Dialo 37 times? Look, I'm not saying I thought he was a fly creature. But every time I go into a dark building, I'm thinking about fly creatures. And he happened to get in the way. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah.

Singled out with Jay McCarthy and Chris Hardwick. Two, both kind of disgraced people, right? Jenny McCarthy was like kind of the proto anti-vaxxer, right? Yeah. Yeah. And Chris Hardwick was, I don't know if that kind of blew over or not. But he had a whole Me Too thing, right? Right, right.

But in the 90s, they hosted Singled Out, where you had 50 single men and 50 single women, and they singled you out. I don't remember how it worked. They asked questions, right? But the whole idea, the idea of corraling people. into like, you know, Rikers, for instance. Right. Yeah.

We're going to get our man. You know, and who raped the vice president, the vice president. Rape the vice president, uh, three times, three separate times in the, where is he? He lives in the Naval Academy, right? Right. The Naval Observatory. I mean, he broke in a naval observatory and, uh, I don't know our laughing. It's a terrible crime.

Oh, oh, you know what? We actually have a female vice president, so it seems awful now. Right. I was thinking about pens in my head for some reason. But yeah, I forgot, Camilla Harris. So now it's just terrible. I don't know why. Like, look, people go, why is it, you know, why do you, why is it one thing to rape a man?

Is that like any worse or better? That's worse with a woman. Yeah, this is. Right. That happens more. Right? It happens more. Yeah.

I mean, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. I know, I'm sorry. I imagine what I put it out there. I'm not trying to get any vice president's raped regardless of their gender. It's a horrendous crime. I mean, like, if I just feel like, you know, whatever, you know.

But. I have another one. Sure. Get me out of this. For coffee and. Alice in Wonderland. You may have read the book as a kid. You may have seen the cartoon.

Okay. You may have seen the remake, the live action remake with hell. in a bottom card. I did not. And Johnny Depp, I think. He tore a Coke plate at her. What happened? She sluts his thumb off.

She cut his fingers off and he hit her and she's shit in his bed. It's a mess. Is that true? She's shit in his bed? Yeah. Amber, her is shit in Johnny Depp's bed? That's the story. Wow.

Morning glory. Thanks, cop. But Alice in Wonderland is cop again. because Alice is basically a fucking cop. She's basically coming into this world that she doesn't even understand this neighborhood down through the rabbit hole sticking her nose where it doesn't belong

and she's going around like telling all these like creatures who live in this world like that they're doing things wrong. Oh yeah. And it's like this isn't your turf bitch. Right. Step off. Step off.

You're about to get fucking, we're going to do you like we did Vice President Pence at the Naval Observatory. We're the same guy. let's see what else um what is popular what is the thing people like that we can kind of piss on and shit all over what's uh the tinder the mask singer oh okay the mass singer that's the mass singer that's the copaganda yeah because uh the mass singer um it's like a swat guy And they go in and they shoot people and they're wearing a little swap masks and and they sing.

Yeah. They sing while they're shooting people. Right. I don't know. I never see the mess. That got a little controversy because of Giuliani. Apparently Ken Jiang, or Jiang. And famous doctor.

Famous doctor. Kenyon. Who? And who was the other guy? The guy from blurred lines. Robin Dick. Oh. Yeah.

Robin Dick, the guy who like felt up some unconscious girl? Well, that was people's first comment was the consensus thing I read off, you know, was having a week or two ago was like, you know, it's bad when like Robin Dick thinks it's bad. But like, you know, Giuliani was, I guess, the guy under the mask. Yeah. And Ken Jiang and Robin Dick didn't like it. I did read a couple of these stories talking about it. But I was frustrated that they didn't say whether or not he said.

dang good like it's good point he sing well it's good point it this is like anti whatever he is propaganda yeah i mean juliani is a cop actually that's true it was the cop he was against according to like you know leftist rhetoric he probably would be because he's uh he was a he was a what they uh what they call it federal prosecutors where they call them what they call help me out once do a's no not d as or the other thing federal prosecutors uh attorney attorney general yeah but not the attorney general they're like the deputy generals or something okay whatever can't help me at once deputy attorney's general no it's something else justice look it up please look at look at look up what really juliani was okay on your computer

on your laptop computer because i want i want people to know just help me out here I'm helping you what something of justice right king of justice king of justice that's it

what was he career attorney no associate attorney general don't they have a better term for that whatever

he was feeling too long he was a mayor Did you know that? No, I never heard of that. What was the mayor of Pussy Town? Yeah. He's getting Pussy Town. He's known for coming up with a theme song for Pussy Town. Deputy Attorney General.

I think he's done to it. He was Trump's lawyer. I don't know what you were supposed to call that. Well, that's not what I'm talking. I'm talking about back in the 80s when he was fighting the mob. Oh, okay. Oh, you like Batman over. He led the federal prosecution of the New York City Mafia.

Yeah, but that's not what his job title wasn't. As a U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. You as an attorney. I'm sorry I didn't get that exactly. You as attorney. That's it. The U.S. attorney. His job title wasn't fighter of the mob.

Sorry, it's not an exact title. I have another copaganda suggestion. Is it Batman? Oh. Do you want to move on to Batman? Not yet. What's your suggestion? One more.

Yeah. Also a popular thing. The Tender. The Tender. Tinder Swindler. I've heard about this over the week people were tweeting about it. Did you watch it? No, but I have seen this preview for it.

And I instantly know it's copaganda. What is the, what is it? It's basically about this cool guy who used Tinder to steal a bunch of money from hot women. Good. After, after he fucked him. I'm on the ugly guy. Is he ugly guy? No, I think it was kind of hot.

He was good at putting on the, he was good at giving off the illusion. that he was very rich. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, but women don't care about money. Yeah. And so, but it's copaganda because the Twitter swindler is basically a bunch of women snitching on the sky. Yeah.

I mean you stitch his copaganda. Yeah. All right. Yeah. That's good. So we'll move on to the Batman. Yeah. This week's Batman is, I forget.

I think it's the rebirth Batman. I don't know. I don't know. I want to say one more time. I don't know. why he has axes uh he has battle damage if you look at the scars on him see no he is like someone cut his pants a little bit i like to think that you know because he's got wayne manner right yeah big mansion uh and i'm sure he has a nice big fireplace and probably seen it in various

forms of batman and he probably has like what they call cords of wood delivered right and this is him when he goes out to chop wood sometimes he gets drunk first and this is how he cuts wood up for the fireplace he dresses up in his little bath suit and he takes his axes and he goes out and just starts cutting up wood

what do you think of that I think it's great I like I always like an axe I don't think enough people I don't think enough heroes work with axes you would like to see heroes to captivate people with axes more? Yeah.

Or just slice them down the middle. I mean, it's still deadly. So, yeah. No, no, I don't mean, like, because it's not deadly. I just mean because that would look cool, too. So you want, so even though Batman's got not killing code,

I tried to come in a scenario where he's not killing people, but you're like, yeah, I prefer it if he cut children and have. Violent criminal children. That's true. How does one give, like, a non-fatal axe wound?

Well, I think implication might be, because look, there's times when he fights people from other dimensions, aliens, when, like, you know, you have to use an axe. You can't just use detective skills against the violent alien. Right. So you have to, you can't just choke them.

You have to go break hard on them. And, like, you know, so that's, we're assuming what this is. Who's, like, the D.C. Iron Man, like, the guy who's making all this shit for all the other people? Batman. Hey, Batman's got a couple guys. He's got a guy who makes the Batmobile. I don't remember his name. Yeah.

And he's got like... Oh, wait, is that Fox? Oh, yeah, Lucius Fox. I got... Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think there's a different guy

who makes the Batmobile, at least in the old school one. But, like, yeah, Lucius Fox, for instance, helps, you know, the R&D. I mean, Lex Luthor's kind of the Iron Man, but he's a bad guy, I feel like. Right. But he seems to be the genius one.

D.C.'s lessened to genius. Well, I guess I like Batman. But, I mean, geniuses tend to be more evil in D. I would speculate as opposed to Marvel where it's just, you know, Tony Stark getting his dick wet, going all over Europe, building missiles that, you know, collateral damage, invading Norway, whatever he's doing.

Killing the parents of future superheroes. Yeah, does he do that? He doesn't preserve his own hegemony? Maybe, yeah. Just like, you know, so, because you're an Iron Man fan. like Iron Man, but you think Iron Man goes around, like King Herod of the Bible, just murdering babies. No, well, not murdering Bay, just murdering their parents.

Oh. You know, before they conceive. Well, it's like Wanda. Wanda's origin story is that like, you know. Oh, so you don't mean on purpose. No, no. Okay. Well, you know, by way of collateral damage.

Sure, sure. I was thinking you were saying, and he was like, he was preventing them from becoming superheroes like killing their parents. Like, so he could stay on top. which I think that maybe like there's a point in there though where maybe like once they do become superheroes when they're kind of making amends with Tony Stark right because they realize all like he's you're an okay guy

even though you murder my mom you're an okay guy like it's like that's partially it's his manipulation it's him gaslighting after the fact you know I'm the world's richest man so your mother wasn't even like a person to me so I want you to know that So I don't, I'm trying to say is like, I don't feel like I really did murder her because she's, yeah, not a person.

So I think we should be cool. Remember, remember that, you know, at the beginning of the age of Ultron. Yes. Or no, yeah, age of old. No, another one. With civil war. Oh, the woman got mad at him. But the woman got mad at him and then he shows.

She showed the picture in his face. He indignantly shows the picture to the rest of the actors and goes like, this was the kid we killed. Like, I don't know. He had a whole two days to process it, like, recognize this guy. Well, neither did you. Yeah. To ambush us to me, you've drunk, rich fuck. I just imagine some, like, some young woman going, like, this is my mother.

Like, one of your bombs killed her. Yeah. And Tony Stark is like, oh, God, that's terrible. Can I keep that picture? Because I want to show this to the Avengers. I mean, I think she might have done the thing where she's like, this is him and like let go of it. I'm like, you keep that. Yeah.

To be fair. But I do like the idea of, I mean, honestly, you, you be, you be the mother. Yeah. You, I'll be telling you Star. I've been waiting for so long to confront you. Oh, we're going to make love. No, we're not going to make love. I have female robot suits, ready to go.

God damn it. Wow. This. I could have sex with a, my dick has, you don't understand. I use the Iron Age technology to keep my dick erect. with little machines. I can fuck really good. All right, look, I'll consider it.

Yeah, I'll make your pussy feel so good. I want you to look at this child first. Okay. This is my trial. Oh, that's cool. I gave birth to him with my body. Is it mine? No.

Oh, all right. You're not bad like a woman. I'm just saying. He was killed by one of your bombs. Oh, is he a terrorist? No. Was he a hydra? No, he was a little baby.

Can you see? This is a picture of. a baby. It's a picture of a teenager at very least, actually. Oh, I'm sorry. That's my other son. He's still alive. This is my baby who you kill. I don't know. No, no. In the movie, it wasn't a baby. Okay. Who has a baby? Well, me, look. Everybody's the stakes. Look, was Dana's using him as a human shield? Because I will not be, I will not allow, I will not allow civilians to be used as human shield. So I just ignore the fact that they're there. Because I'm not going to let him win. You think that, look, I understand that sometimes people use.

babies as human shields. You think Thanos has to do that? I mean, I gave Thanos a licking at one point. I don't know what you heard, but I'm pretty good at fighting and fucking. He was just hanging out in the Middle East where we live and what are your bombs? Why are you just hanging out? Why did you put me in a bomb shelter or something? You knew I was there.

I'm a dangerous guy. Is that kind of sex? Isn't that why you're like me? One of your bombs landed on his head and killed him from the head down. My bombs lands in your pussy. dick bomb you don't feel any guilt or shame about this

about killing my baby that's my sexy dick sound I'm not pissing in your this I'm just the sound that I make one sex that's my sex sound I'm sorry

that you want to hear that's it I mean you want some money yeah Okay, here's a hundred grand? I want. 100 grand.

Hold on. 100 grand's not bad. Don't rush me. 100 grand for a kid. That's a lot of money. I know how much you make. I mean, look, I mean,

why that's the tie up in stock options. This baby's irreplaceable. I mean, you understand that? But it's not your, I could buy it. I better buy the baby from you even though it's dead.

I mean, I'm getting the raw into the deal here because it's not even around anymore. Okay. All right. All right. I got an idea. What do you want for your baby?

I got an idea for you. What are we paying for this baby that killed? the iron man killed the iron man some trying to separate yourself from your alter ego the iron man does what the other man does I'm just I mean

I built the iron man you know so I feel responsible I want 20 million yeah okay whatever are we done that was easy yeah we're done I'm so rich

really yeah I'm really rich you want me to my wife you can write me a check how about 50 million no no I get this rich by like let people make second deals you got 20 just you know

how about 5 20's good right yeah 20's good 20's great okay 20's perfect I have to cut me a track yeah can I keep his picture I want to shame my friends with it I want to shame my friends with it

fun stuff so I mean axe wielding Batman it's like it's like a brave hard Batman he's going to come after Joe Rogan This is more real Yeah I mean This is this is the bat

This is this reminds me of the mob After Joe Rogan And you know In some cases Sometimes Batman's right So maybe you know I'm not on the side of the mob But you know

They have some points I guess Like you know They should make a version of Batman Where it's like literally Every type of person gets like Cance on Twitter He goes out and murders them you shouldn't have said something

that planet of the apes like they ignore it all the other stuff but it's just they find the worst thing right the planet of the ape like the other stuff was look I believe in open free speech with the planet of the apes thing that was all fucked up

I know you apologize for it but I'm gonna cut you with an axe uh yeah I mean do you think Batman would like Joe Rogan I mean I think that like I think Batman would come on the Joe Rogan podcast to explain some of his, you know, faults. You want to be Joe Rogan or Batman here?

I'll be, I'll be Batman or are you? I don't know. Okay, I'll be Joe Rogan. Okay. Because you did such a great Batman last time. Thank you. So, man, I hear you're kind of a... Thanks for having me on, Joe.

Yeah, man. You're taking a lot of... heat. You're taking a lot of heat recently. Likewise. What's your thing? Explain to people what your... My thing is? What your thing is. Well, you know, I dress up like a bath. And I like who? And I fight crime because...

Do that's who? Jamie, Jamie, pull that up. That's who? Look. Owls hoot. I want to pull it up. I want to pull it up. Yeah, owl... I'm seeing it up here. Owls hoot. Right, bats, who? There's nothing that says, there's nothing that says bats who.

Look, I'm trying to get it going, all right? Look, you can who. It doesn't mean, but it doesn't mean the bat's who. I don't feel like Rogan would, like, pushes a fight up against Batman. I don't know, I think he would want to. You're right, wait.

He doesn't eat him for, like, weird, weird points for some reason. This is the one that he would, like, question. The bat's who? But I'd be like, look, so I murder criminals, cold blood when I suspect him of, you know, killing people. okay okay because i had heard that you had some kind of code i do i don't i don't actually murder them but i do i kill them sometimes but i don't have a code way i don't murder them you get that's a real thing murdering criminals is a real thing bro yeah uh my parents are murdered

by criminals i won't tell you who which which criminal i want you to find that who i am no if a criminal murdered your parents you got to say who i i don't that's a crime if you if you know if you know who murdered your parents you got to say but then you'll know who I am I can't let that happen show I look if a criminal murder by pair like I'm Bruce Wayne they could be out there murdering somebody else's parents I took care of my cripple them I'm Bruce Wayne by the way oh okay you want to smoke a joint with me yeah I saw a lot in musk I was like I just want to do that with a drink Rogan

I don't feel like I did the best Joe Rogan impression I don't look at my best Batman but to be fair you know uh hey man he's a complicated guy

yeah you beat Batman hey man you just like juitsu or something what kind of wait what you say you say jujitsu I study with a league of assassins unlike the world has ever seen that's really interesting because I went to 10th plan Jiu Jitsu with Eddie Bravo

and uh A lot of people call him a legal assassin. So that's really cool. Sometimes I see it. My dreams I see. You're thinking about competing in the UFC? Sometimes in my dreams I see awards of bats flying towards me at rapid speed. Bro, you should do DMT.

Anyway. So that's that's that. That's the thing. Can you stand him up? Yeah. Thanks. Fun times with Batman. That was a weird detour.

Those are two of us. Those are two worst impressions. Those are maybe the two worst impressions of all time. Well, I wanted to bring them as much too long on this, but it might be old news at this point. It would be Goldberg called a lot of heat last week for people are saying she minimized the Holocaust, right? All right. It all stems.

The real reason I want to talk. about this because we'll be whatever i mean she really just said something that was wrong yeah it was wrong like incorrect well here's the thing we'll get to the what led to it in a minute because that's more interesting than me for our purpose but she basically said the holocaust isn't about racism but she was doing it in a way where she was trying to pontificate i feel like well she always does that that's always her thing yeah i feel like she's actually i might be wrong but i feel like she probably has said something like this about slavery before oh probably Like, it's like, so it's not like it's some kind of like it's exclusive to this.

But like, but she did say, she basically said the Holocaust wasn't about race. I explained it to you while we were hanging out, we heard about this, that she was, I brought up a clip with the West Wing where Toby, after a black character, Charlie had been, he wasn't actually shot, but he was targeting Charlie. Right. And he goes like, you know, Toby's like goes to the president like, why does it feel this way? I've seen shootings before. And Jeff Bartlett, very solemnly, it wasn't a shooting, Toby. it was a lynching. They tried to lynch Charlie right in front of her eyes.

Do you imagine that? And like that's what Ruby Goldberg was trying to channel when she started going like, this isn't about race. The Holocaust wasn't about race. Yeah, right. People doing harm to people. And she's trying to be like this kind of.

Yeah, she's trying to be deeper than like. Yeah, than the 6 million people who were killed. Yeah. But, you know, but like, I mean, I don't think she was trying to say it wasn't like. Well, I'm going to point out of something That Aunt Frank's diary was great, but here's the point it missed. I don't think that, I don't think that Ruby Gorberg was trying to say the Holocaust wasn't about race. It was about tax evasion.

Right, right. Yeah, I don't think she was saying the Holocaust was about state's rights. Right. Yeah. But, you know, but she's a pompous buffoon. But she is very, yeah, she is. I mean, I guess people are bringing up the Ted dancing thing. I've seen a few references to that where Ted Dan.

who she was dating at the time. I didn't know they were dating. Oh, they dated for a while. Oh, yeah. Back in the early 90s, I guess, the cheers ever. But then, uh, yeah, there was a roast for Ruby Gorberg. I think at the Friest Club, it could be wrong. And, like, Ted Danson came out and did, doing blackface.

Oh, oh, right, yeah. And, like, Ropee was, like, I can't into it. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I don't know what that contributes to this. Yeah. Uh, she obviously wouldn't put that on her resume, probably. No, were Ted Dan.

I imagine but whatever but it'll stem the reason they were talking about the Holocaust as well I guess is because there's a book called Mouse

M-A-U-S which is basically about You got it for me I got it for you a couple years back a few years back it's a graphic novel

about the Holocaust with Jews being represented by mice and then the Nazis are cats right and it wasn't banned right but what happened with it?

a Tennessee school board banned school libraries which is kind of like it's the kind of thing it's it's it I it is censorship sure but it's censorship light kind of yeah like it's like you can still get it at a public library in Tennessee yeah but the fact that it's like public schools are banning it

it's still what was the rationale because it seems to be wrapped up in like a CRT or with a critical race theory discussion this event but like is that what it was like Well, a bunch of things have been banned or people are, or either there have been banned or people are trying to get them banned because of the critical race theory thing. I don't think.

Retaliation? I don't think this is that. Right. Okay. I think this is that, I think this is some dumb people who got on the school board, just not understanding. Do I think it trivialized the Holocaust?

That this is actually written by a guy whose father survived the Holocaust. Yeah. What is this Tom and Jerry about the Holocaust? Right. unheard of it's unheard of yeah or it's it or it's anti-semi that's also possible but it's like right you know it seems like a weird thing to bail you you think they're ban like aunt frank yeah i guess that'd be a big bigger story though right it would be that would be huge yeah but if you're not going to ban and frank i don't know what good banning mouse does you right uh uh at one point

art speak i was i was uh i was listening to like an interview with art speakelman about it and he He was like, uh, he was like, yeah, like he was like, yeah, like, I'm just kind of like baffled because it's like, assuming that these people like somehow magically aren't anti-Semites. Like he's like, it's like, it's like, it's hard for him to even believe that they're not Nazis because it's like, just because it's like to him, it's so obvious that his book is anti-Holacost. Yeah. Now, the reason I find it interesting is because I had experience with this book as a young man. Right. I think fourth grade, I think. and I saw a kid reading it.

Now the cover of mouse is like it's like a mouse with a big swastika around them. Yeah, it's a provocative cover. Yeah, you look at even as a fourth or fifth, whatever I was, it was young. Fourth grade list was just say. Even as a young kid, I'm like, well, there's something going on there.

Right? There's something, this ain't just about mice. And I said to this kid, he was like reading it. And I said, oh, what are you reading? He's like, mouse. And I'm like, oh. What's it about? Because, you know, it's obviously something about something crazy, right?

Right. And he goes, it's about mice. And it was like, I knew it wasn't true, first of all. I knew it couldn't be true. Nothing about mice would just have a big swastard on it. Yeah. And I knew he knew that. Yeah.

I knew that. I knew he didn't just start it and assume it was about. You knew that this wasn't the novelization of Ratatoui. Yeah. Which wasn't around when I was a kid. You're aging reversing. reverse aging me uh but like i knew just was a guy telling me to go fuck myself but like there really is not much to become because i already asked them what it's about so i can't be like

i mean not look i could now i could definitely if you put me in this position with the okay that's do this now this will be cathartic do what you would do now okay you be you i'll be the kid hey what are you reading mouse oh yeah what's it about it's about mice piece listen to you think I'm a fucking idiot don't you you think I'm just some fucking jerk I'm asking you because it's obviously a provocative title you got swastika on the front of you but are you telling me you're some moron who doesn't know what the swastika is that you don't know what the holocaust is you know what do you even know what the Nazi is you little piece of shit I'm so much older than you oh man I'm not gonna hit

you because I don't need to because I can have smart you because I'm I'm I'm fool you fucking piece well I might hit you Oh, man. I mean, I'm asking because it's a provocative title because it's got a swat. I mean, maybe he's in the future with neo-Nazi mice. I don't know. Is it just literally about, it's got to be about Nazis. You want to kiss?

No, you're a fourth grader. Piece of shit. I mean, it's not because you're trying to do. Oh, I thought you guys were in the same grade. Well, we were, but now I'm like. But I'm a savage already. This is me as an adult doing it. Oh, yeah, fair.

Yeah, no, that would be inappropriate. Don't kiss me. That would be inappropriate. No, you brought this up, but I had no ever had, there was no hesitation in me saying no. What are you talking about? You fucking basket case.

I'm out of here. That was cathartic, thank you. It was? Yeah, it's nice. Nice. Yeah, I think that was fun. Yeah. That was a better improv than the,

uh, no, Joe Rogan, I was about I was about to run into an impression of my bed I'm awful Cherokee um

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