Kump - Ep. 181 BORROWED VALOR (UPDATED)

Episode Date: August 11, 2024

Ray and Lucie discuss stolen valor, stranded astronauts, and much more. Sign up at https://www.patreon.com/RayKump for an extra episode every week! Follow Kump on Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/raykump Kump Hand Merch https://bonfire.com/store/kump/ Follow Ray on Sound Cloud https://on.soundcloud.com/QbP8

Hello and welcome to Kyle. Hello, Lucy. Sorry I started my thing in front, in the middle of your thing. I didn't realize it was going to last so long. That's how exciting this episode is going to be. that Lucy can't even she's bursting we got so many things to cover we have a question of stolen valor we have astronauts that no one even knows are in space and apparently they might not come back it's like Apollo 13 if like no one cared and uh and what else do we have we have Trump's plane

is a question about Trump's plane that seems um we'll do that later because right now we have an issue this is this is a subject deep to my heart it's it's something I feel very strongly about it's it's this question of stolen valor they're not familiar of stolen valor is when someone uh claims to have military uh experience claim claims to be a veteran who show up in a mall perhaps and say hey i was in i was in mogadishu i was in bagdad you know it was a battle of bagdad and really they were just a bum they bought their stuff at the at the at, you know, the Army Navy surplus store and then just try and get some money

for an orange Julius, you know, and you're using your, your tear-jurker feelings about soldiers. Because everyone in this country has a tear-jurker emotion about soldiers. Right. Let's not get it twisted. We love our soldiers. And they use that against us. Yes. Have you ever stolen valor?

I have I've never personally still in valor. I've encouraged others to steal valor. I've encouraged other people to, you know, exaggerate their military career. Sure. Because I just think that that would, you know, get them positive attention. It would make them happy. I was kicked out of high school for pretending that my dad had military weapons.

I don't know if that counts. I said he had an anti-aircraft gun and a tank. Wait, that's one of the reasons you got kicked out of a school. That was the main one. The other thing about the uterus and that story Everyone knows is like that was that was secondary The real thing that really got me in trouble was like Because we were making this movie

It's an independent movie which you know That's pretty generous to what it was But this girl was with dad was a cop So and the idea was that she was gonna get us guns Which seems crazy like even that just seems like Why would that even be on the table? But I was asking what kind of guns? She's like oh like this you know

He has whatever lock or whatever she said I'm like My dad's got an anti-aircraft gun. He's got a tank in the back of your artillery gun in the backyard. I mean, it's ridiculous. But, you know, people got nervous. I mean, I guess they thought that was the next, you know, you had Columbine and then you have this. Kalamar. First, they come in with guns and now a kid is going to start killing his fellow students.

Unaliving. With a tank. The algorithm. You're going to, you're going to, they were afraid you would roll into school out of Like, I'm too cockus. So, I mean, I don't, I mean, is that count? Your dad didn't even have anywhere close to that stuff, right? He never touched the gun in his life, probably.

Yeah, no. I don't get a sharp knife in his possession. So, no, it was, you know, but that didn't. People just like, you know, it was the four, four, what do you call it? The precursor of today? That was when it started when the hysteria, when like, no one, there's no reason.

Just like today, when you could say, you know, hey, I don't, you know, I don't want everyone to have a million apportions. It's like, all right, well, let's live in the Handmaid's Tale. How about that? Right. Right. It's like, or, you know, we're the opposite. Like, hey, like, I don't think women should, you know, men should be a women in a sport. And it's like, well, let's, wait, that's also that way.

I don't know. Figure it out. extremes on both sides that being said so what's what's going on did we even talk about them on the show yet Tim Walts we talked about them a little bit on the Patreon

on the Patreon which you can check we do this we do this twice a week if you're only on YouTube or a page or a podcast you hear once but there's two shows we do an extra episode every week on the Patreon's five bucks a month it's a pretty good deal you get four extra episodes a month I mean I whatever I mean if you like it you don't you know where it is so the blinks here and we did talk about him there you're right good plug but no so he was

picked to be Kamala Harris's VP candidate is mr. Tim Walton yes yeah mr. Tim Walts am I wrong no you are is he for the Trump's candidate at the time we were talking about and I hadn't really watched any of his appearances. But now I have, now I watched a couple of his speeches. Yeah. And I get, I get the appeal.

When I first saw him, when I first saw the picture of him, I was like, ah, like, you know. Like, you know. He's just gross. You thought he was grody. He said,

this pig shouldn't be in the executive branch. This is, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, disgusting pig of a man. Is it because he's a white man? Belongs nowhere near the white house.

And, but, then I saw him speaking. He was very good. Yeah, look, he's very good at the stump, at accusing people of having sex with couches. Right. He's really, he's good at slander. He's good at slander and utilizing other people's slander as if it was true. Yeah.

In a cheeky way, though. Right. Let's not get, let's not get our underwear in a bunch. Yeah. Because he's slandered a veteran. Yeah, I'm not going to get too excited just because he accused J.D. Vance of fucking his couch. But, yeah. you know who hasn't at this point who hasn't done that right but there's

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about fucking a couch to be clear also I like we can talk about that later I don't I don't know you don't think there's anything wrong with it I don't think there's anything inherently wrong if I if I proposed to you while I was inside a couch you've been fine with that well look I think there's a time and a place for it sure I think if the couch belongs to you if it's not someone else's couch right Right. And that's like just the way, and you grew up in an environment where maybe people didn't talk too much about masturbation and that's just the way you get yourself off. So if you own the couch, kind of the way Thomas Jefferson, you know, owned things, that he, people. You know, in that sense, is that why, is that what you're cool with?

I think, I think it's, I think we can all agree that was a little, that was inappropriate and wrong. I agree that, well, like, keeping people as property to begin with is wrong. I'm unabashedly If that's a word Undeniably Uncontrovertibly Yeah But I don't think the couch

Can be like Traumatized by Getting Yeah Penetraitor So you think So basically you're cool With someone

Having sex with anything That's not sentient Is basically what You'd be fine with that guy Being president If it's theirs If it belongs to them Yeah

Okay So it's like you know As long as I buy like like, you know, a building. I can just, you know, just screw a building. Yeah, from the inside. You don't want to do it on the outside because then you're, you might be offending people.

Sure. But like, if you want to fuck the, if you want to be inside the building and fuck it. So you're okay with him and have sex of a bowling bowl. A man who could be president, you know, Trump is very old. And you're okay with the man who would have his finger on the button, have it be inside a bowling bowl while.

all the fingers there. I think it would be dangerous. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. Yeah. But I don't think that in and of itself, it means you're an evil person or that you would be a bad person. No, I said it's evil.

Yeah. You didn't say it wasn't evil. You said it's, oh, it's fine. I don't think it's fine. I think our, I think our, uh, I think America can aspire to a better level of fine than like, you know.

A better level of equilibrium. I don't look. I, again, the guy didn't do it. right i don't know well i mean we don't know if you did it look look i don't think that he had sex with a couch in some nefarious way where he was like he was like i'm gonna sneak around and have sex with a couch yeah i think probably he was awkwardly masturbating as a child and that involved i don't want to think about it you know whatever it too mama you know raymore and flanagan yeah you know i think he i think it was an awkward masturbation chapter of his life i i think we can

do without all these awkward masturbation chapters and books, by the way. Enough people Stephen King, enough. Yeah, stop talking about how kids. Kids discover things on the bar. I don't care. I mean, everyone in the world figures out sex. It's not really a good story. I don't even know how a kid does it. Yeah. How did you figure

that out? I don't know. You got a brother. Whatever. Let's skip that chapter. It's just weird. And I have to say, like, I've been reading Stephen King recently. I have not read the it the it novel uh part about apparently some orgy that takes place in the sewers yeah but like um but either is he that apparently but he claims does not remember it but i read a couple of his books recently and i read a couple of his sex scenes and they're always atrocious

like the book could always survive without it well is there one in the shining there's one in the shining there's one in pet cemetery oh yeah is it with a pet there is there is No, no, it's not in the pet. The couch? No, it's like, the way it's narrated is like, you know, it would be like, you know, something about service. Like, you know, it's like, it would be like,

Lewis thought to himself that he did a pretty good job servicing his wife. Oh, God. You know, it's just like, it's just so like. I think I'm pretty good. Just mashing it. Yeah. Just mashing it with the butt of the heel of his hand.

I think I did a pretty good job there. I'm going to treat myself to a ice cream bar. It's just like an human. Yeah. Yeah. Just someone who's never, you know, been a person. Yeah. But anyway, we're getting bogged down on this couch accusation.

Tim Walt, people, you know, I was wondering this shoe would drop because, you know, he seemed like, like an earthy guy, a foxy guy. You know, he's good on the mic You know, I think objectively pretty good Yeah He's good, you know, hey, hey, hey You call me a socialist I want to rap a kid in the blanket You know?

Which is like, you know, It doesn't appeal to everybody But it's better than carrowing in the corner Right We're not socialist I put black people in jail for 20 years Yeah, gore Did he do that?

Was I just Clinton? I don't know if Gore did it Well, yeah, whatever Hillary Clinton Hey, I'm not socialist, I started a war You know? Yeah. It's just, yeah, I'm a soldier. I fed a homeless guy.

Yeah, it was a dinty Moore stew can, whatever. You know, that's, that's, it's the better version of it. But now he's being, uh, he's, he had military record, apparently. And maybe his one fault was that he liked to talk about being in the military a little too much. Because it turns out, according to some people, yeah, that maybe his military record wasn't, oh, that crack, what was cracked up to be? uh what what what what's his record so he did he is he part of black water i mean he this guy who talks a lot about being in the military he like was he like was he part of the whole like

did he was he was he on steel team six um he captured did he capture bin laden he was not was he the guy who took bin laden out of the freezer and then pretended they shot him was he that guy threw him in the ocean because i i got the impression he was talking so much about the military that I thought maybe he was the one who like thawed out bin Laden and said hey get to the ocean you go if he sunk pretty quick you know he's in a freezer at seven years no but so he wasn't on that was he did he did he capture was he in mogadishu the hell was he part of the black hole down unit um he was not okay did he invade china at some point China, it was not on his docket now.

So what did he, what was his, this is a man who did what? He was in, uh, what you know, what branches of the military was he in? Um, I'm not exactly sure. I mean, I know that for a while he was a, a correspondent. No, we're talking about waltz. Yeah, waltz. Oh, that's Vance. Oh, that's Vance.

You're mixing this up. Oh, I can't pretend enough known anymore. He was in the National Guard. Oh, right. He was in the National Guard. well there goes that bit so he's in a national guard

which look it's it's nothing no one's saying no national guard is not a noble pursuit you go what twice a two weekends a month is that what it is

and two weeks a one weekend a month two weeks a year something like that uh yeah and then and you and you and you kind of train like it's like a kind of like you know you just have practice being a soldier

even in the bit really but they you know do they practice actually war stuff or is it all just like hey let's put these like sandbags on the thing I don't give me sure I think they practice war stuff I think they save people from floods I mean reality is they did go to war yeah just not him he was deployed overseas which country Italy right so that famous hot pod bed of the war on terror Italy was it what was he was he was I mean, to be fair, the leading tire of appeaser never went down. So I guess, I guess he did his job.

What was the National Guard doing in Italy? Well, they were there for, like, Operation Enduring Freedom. But just to guard the Coliseum? Yeah, at issue were a selection of political ads and statements on Walz's website describing his overseas military service. While they described Walls as having served overseas in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, they neglected to specify that he did so while serving in Italy, not Afghanistan. It's a little slight difference.

It's a little, there's a little slight of hand going on there. I mean, was there, was there like, I mean, did the al-Qaeda have a base in Italy that he was attacking? I mean, okay, all right, maybe this will go into more detail. The ad said he was a command sergeant major retiring four years late after a tour supporting the war in Afghanistan. look I mean so we've established basically that he does like to talk about being in the military to be fair they're accusing him of basically retiring at the last second so he didn't have to go to the war now he spent 22 years in the National Guard um it seems odd that we're all just pushing for some 40 year old guy to have to go right yeah I don't know if I hold it against him

in and of itself. Like, does that make him a coward? No, I mean, no one should want to go to war. And if they do, we shouldn't send them. Yeah. I guess. But that being said, the people who do, that's who I want as president.

I don't care. Like, J.D. Vance, what was his job in war? Was he a Marine? Yeah, Marine. How many people do he tear apart? I mean, I don't know. I mean, he was the, so he was the correspondent. Okay, he was a correspondent.

What was I mean? Was he like, were he right for stars and stripes? I'm sick of this. You know, Trump had bone spurs. You know, what's his name? Bush was an Air National Guard. Clinton didn't do nothing. I want Obama.

I want someone who has unalived people to be president. Yeah. Is that so much to ask? I want someone who's witnessed a lot. of, you know, women, soldiers, anyone. Yeah. You know, seeing, I want someone who's seen death. That's what I picture.

When you say you're a veteran, I want, I know we need logistics. I get it. We need someone to make the food and to put up the barracks and to do the radios. But, I mean, I, that's fine. You can be the, the HUD secretary. You can be a congressman. But if you want to be my president, this is my bar. This is the Kump bar of the hurdle, the Kump hurdle.

I want you, I want to see the notches on your club, on gangs in New York, you know. I want to so much, I want to take skulls. I want the, I want my president to walk into the Rose Garden over a bed of skulls. What is wrong with that? How many skulls? I mean, to be, to be fair, at least 10 skulls. Yeah. I mean, you're over there for like, what, a couple of years?

18 months. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to incentivize people just to rush into, you know, gunfighter. It would be great, too, if they had some sort of nickname while they were over there, like, like, you know, the butcher of Fallujah or something like that. You know, that would be amazing. Yeah. That would actually be fantastic.

Here's the thing, it's not to denigrate anyone's service. It's the same way, like, you don't, like, take a guy who can't, like, who's on the, like, you know, the, let's just say the Australian basketball team who can't, you know, and can't beat the USA team, right? Well, they're the USA team, like the best in the world. These guys are all like, besides working very hard genetically just gifted people, you know, and or, you know, any team. South Sudan did pretty well, but couldn't keep up.

Yeah. There was too much. But you don't, you don't, you know, you don't, you know, you don't, you know, denigrate South Sudan or Australia, right? Right. And you don't condemn a soldier for not being elite enough to have tens of, skulls but doesn't make you the president you don't just get to be the president I'm sorry it's one of those jobs it's one of those jobs that not everyone can do you have to have some

blood you know you have to show that you're again and like is it lucky yeah a lot of time a lot of it's luck people don't people don't shy away from that in other fields of politics right sometimes that you know were you lucky enough that you know the news cycle went your way that this guy has scandal, you know, that the economy tanked, right? Obama benefited from Obama versus McCain. Obama benefited greatly from that whole, you know, great recession thing, whatever they called it. Sure.

The great collapse. Look, timing, right? So a certain amount of luck is like, I get it. Not everyone who goes over there with the intention of getting skulls get skulls. Sometimes people aren't there. And we don't want people, we don't want people making it up. Sometimes you're waiting out some assignment that you've been put on where you're in the desert and you never see any women or children walk by. Or just stupid Air Force bombs them before you can get to them.

You know, it's not your fault. But I'm sorry, but yeah, some of becoming the president requires a little bit of luck. Just like being an NBA champion, you know. Things have to break your way. So, you know, but that's what I need and want. I'm sick and tired of these guys, you know, everyone's rushing. to say how many, how many, you know, handy wipes they brought to the, they brought, you know, who was browned did they wipe?

Now, I'd be fair people in his unit, Tim Walters' unit, did die, I guess. Yeah. People, you know, I think. That's the other thing he's getting criticized for is that, I guess, like, he let, he bragged about how, you know, he cut his troops pay or something. Yeah. Oh, he cut his pay? Yeah.

I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, what was he, a sergeant or a colonel or something? I think he was, like, for. I don't think he's like, I don't think he's like a guy who runs, like a subway. I don't think he can cut someone's, hey. Well, that's like military. I think it's decided by Congress. Well, that might be, that might be more on the, on the side of swift voting. I don't know.

Yeah. But another added, like here it says, another ad attacked his opponent for not voting to pay. Oh, okay, but as a congressman. Oh, okay. All right. not voting to pay, not voting for pay increase for soldiers and voting to raise a salary of members of Congress. Well, it's not great. That's true.

It wasn't when he was overseas. No, it'd be funny if it was over. Like, somehow he was like, he was like writing to his congressman, please don't. Everyone's eating, eating ravioli and gelato. They're all, they're not listening. They're not following my orders. Yeah. They don't deserve money.

Oh, man. But yeah, apparently people accusing him of like, you know, because he left and he was, she had 22 years of experience. and the guy who you know replaced him wasn't his experience and then he got some people kill i don't know that's like that's a claim some people are saying that that's the guy that that's the guy making that claim is the guy to replace them i don't know if that's true i saw that on twitter that could be just i mean it's very interesting and funny if it's true i mean just not the fact not the guy's getting killed but right just the fact that it's just good you you left i had to take over and i got a bunch of people killed oh man i would i mean

I don't want to say, I hope that's true, but it's very funny, it's true. V.P. Timot faced accusations 06. So, I mean, he wasn't on a mall. Now, this is reminiscent of another campaign, another presidential run. This one was Bush versus a man named John Kerry. John Kerry, this was, this was, 04 was the year, right? I remember this very well. It was it was about a year or so, and maybe.

a couple years into Iraq, the Iraq war, would have been about a year and a half, right? I guess it had already gone pretty poorly because it wasn't very popular. Now, and the war went on for so long, it seems odd that in 2004 we were, like, already doing this. But, or maybe it was just that, maybe it was just that Bush was just a,

he wasn't a war guy. Yeah, he was in the Air National Guard. And there's arguments they didn't show up very often. I don't know. but either way John Kerry made a big deal about how he was in the military in Vietnam and he got a bunch of medals

and then he threw him, he threw him as Farrah Fawcett's head or something he was he threw him over the White House law and immediately people what we got we got a group called

the swift boat veterans for truth a group very dear to my heart the swift boat veterans retreat it's kind of the beginning of modern politics really the swift vote veterans for truth that's amazing um who who a bunch of men who claimed to be in his unit i guess they were they i'm not even sure they were i'm not sure i mean it was one of those organizations where it was like it was a non-profit right but you know kind of a shady non-profit

no it was like a 401c3 or whatever they called them right yeah they could like spend as much money as they wanted like as long as they weren't like directly involved with the campaign they were legally a person by the supreme court decided i think right yeah yeah yeah i guess they were sends the organization was somehow sentient. Yeah. And so I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily immediately trust that these guys were actually in his unit. No, but they claim that John Kerry, instead of actually, you know, leading them in valorous, is valorous a word, valourious combat with valor?

Maybe. Instead, like, did they claim he threw a grenade at them or something? Like, they were attacked and he, like, dropped the grenade. on the boat and dove into the water something crazy i don't remember exactly what their claim was do we have oh you want to play do we have this yeah there's there's actually an old ad okay we can watch some of this it's pretty fine if you have any question about what john carrie's made up just spend three minutes with the men who served with him 30 years here's what those men think about john carrie i serve with john carrie i serve with john carrie john carrie has not been honest

about what happened in Vietnam. He is lying about his record. I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury. John Kerry lied he was wrong star. Wait a minute. That was so funny just because it's like, okay, so there was an injury.

Right. But it could have been herpes. Right. I don't remember. I mean, that's, it could have been, you know, it could have been like he, I don't know if you get a Purple Heart if you, like, shoot yourself in the foot, for instance. Which I'm not saying he did. Right.

But, you know. It's one of those comments Where like the mind just kind of runs wild with us Yeah What about the injury did you find concern? It was on my leg I'm John Kerry I love that

I'm the real John Kerry I love that it starts out with John Edwards Who like at the time I guess we didn't know We didn't happen yet but like didn't he like Didn't he like cheat on his wife While she was dying of cancer Oh really? yeah oh oh right john that's right he did yeah yeah like some woman some other woman was like making a

documentary about him and he started sleeping with her while his wife had breast cancer oh was i didn't know that part yeah it's crazy it's crazy was it pelosi her daughter made like that she's a documentary again oh really well yeah she made a documentary about uh bush or you know on his first camp you know it was 2000 campaign and then i think she's also filming while they did like January 6th. I don't think it was. I feel like we would hear about that more of us. Probably, yeah. I guess

there's more than one documentarying out there. But yeah, what was it? Wait, this much more of those. I was there. I saw what happened. His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day. Jack Chenner has not been honest. And he's not.

lacks the capacity to lead No, I was wondering if he was really the Christian should I went From that wicked movie Chips were down you could not count on John Kerry is no war hero He betrayed all his shipmates he is John Kerry It's kind of weird looking He lied before the Senate and John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam

Well they're not really being specific He betrayed us I wouldn't say I meant I met John Kerry once, but I did, I was with the Boy Scouts in Washington, D.C., and we were in, like, I don't know if it was technically the mall. What they called the mall? What's that called? The mall? The capital mall.

Yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. We were by, we were by something. We were by, like, the reflecting pool, I think. And, like, he was doing an ad and some old bat, some old law. That's our congressmen, like pulling her stupid husband. some eight-year-old woman.

That's our congressman. Hello, Mr. Carrie. And I was like, I didn't know who he was. But, you know, but his face haunted me for a long time. And I remember when he came out, I believe he was riding a motorcycle when he announced his candidacy. Oh, really? Yeah.

And I'm going to go, that's that guy, that weird looking guy. I saw, you know. And it turned out that he was, you know, fragens on men in the middle of the BN, then being food. I don't know. But, yeah, I don't know if it was true. I mean, he was definitely accused more credibly of,

I mean, I think he admitted that, you know, he became an anti-war guy and he threw his medals over the White House. I would never, I would throw my medals at a homeless guy and say, hey, use this, get yourself a free meal. Yeah. I mean, that's what you should do. If you, if you're sick of, if you,

if you think the military screwed you over, I'm not going to vote for you because I wanted the guy with the skulls, right? I want, I want Vigo from Ghostbusters, too. you know like that painting that came to life covered in skulls that's my president but I mean

but you do you but if you're gonna do it give it to a homeless guy so he can steal some valor yeah because he can actually look you accuse these people are stealing about I'm sorry he didn't actually you know poison a river

this homeless man is trying to get you know a synobun what have you had steal valor to feed your family I'm sorry he didn't train I'm sorry he didn't train foreign soldiers to be an insurgent force

to overthrow a democratically elected president. I'm sorry. But maybe let them have one of those delicious iced cincinnabunds. Yeah. The only thing, the only problem with that is that the Purple Heart, it probably wouldn't get him anything. You don't think a Purple Heart gets you nothing? I mean, look, you can get some military discounts, but like, yeah.

No, but man, no, the idea. That's not going to help a homeless guy. I don't think the guys who do stolen valor. Or usually, like, I mean, I guess some, look, if you're, if some guy is willing to put on a military uniform to go get like 10% off at Models, you know, of a basketball, I don't know. Let's just let's just let them have it. Yeah. Capitalism's hard. Now everyone does well. If he's willing to go that effort, I mean, you know, pick a lane.

We, we're, we're either a free market country or a bunch of military sims, all right? Respect the hustle. Oh, I die of this country. well I mean you know take it up with the VA I'm sorry I want the guy I like Trump says he likes the guys who don't get get caught I don't go that far as long as you got you know you did something you know as long as you got a lot of skulls before you got caught John McCain no one ever accused him of missing when he was bomb you know where he was strafing people in his plane yeah no one ever accused him of being a bad shot sure I'm

sure we probably shot down a bunch of people before they call them I'm not yeah And that's war, right? Yeah. So it's like, you know, I'm with John McCain. As long, I mean, if he came out and said, look, you always missed. Well, now we got to reevaluate. I might say, don't get them back. Get all the POWs back.

I'm not instituting some kind of a weird, you know, quota over there. Where we only get the strong POWs back? No, that's, that's absurd. That's, right? Is it? It's absurd. No, you can, I mean, that's a slippery slug. so I think I think everyone who served should be thanked should be treated well I just don't

think everyone should become president yeah all right so I mean it's like you know and if you got enough going on without that I want the guy who like doesn't even mention it and it's like you know and they ask him about it he goes why can't legally talk about that and like why is it classified you're not really that is a good strategy kind of sure like if everyone already kind of know if you know that the people are going to write about you having served with the military, just don't say anything about it. Yeah. And that way you can't, you can't be accused

of. Yeah. Then you pay some reporters to bring it up. Right. And you're going to be sued by a lot of families over there. I'm not allowed back in Germany. Germany. I said too much. Okay, so there's some context

underneath this video. Yeah. And just about the John Kerry thing. Their accusations are widely understood to be false. Military records. Right. Yeah. Common knowledge at this point.

Military records released by Carrie's campaign backed up his combat claims. And while most of the Swift Boat veterans who spoke out against Kerry did not serve with them directly, the ones who did publicly supported his version of events. Oh, okay. I thought some of them, that's kind of sad, though. look the nice thing about America is the idea I don't like that happened to him I don't like anyone getting torpedoed right

you have to remind you the hustle though that was the days of Karl Rove that was political you know what's the word machinations you know these were these are strategists like hey you know he's this guy actually served in combat what we do but fuck them

we'll get a bunch of guys we'll get a bunch of fucking guys Dunkin donuts I call him the SWIP up veterans for truth easy peasy for peter this guy he was also the heinz ketchup bearers right um he was married to the heinz ketchup bearers okay he was he was what the uh i think that was another thing that heard him honestly sure i think that he was married to the ketchup lady yeah somehow inexplicably like her you know hurt him a lot i want blood in your hands not ketchup right you know do you think she like your house is

yeah you started to think of him as this ketchup cock yeah I mean, that's what, I mean, honestly, this whole, this whole thing was a waste of money. Bushers, could just call them a ketchup cuck. Yeah. And like, that would have been, that would have been in that, that would be like, what's the, that point back in 04, we're like, what's the cock? I'm like, oh, let me tell you. I mean, he's described with a cuck actually. Oh, it's disgusting.

If it caught on today, it would have caught on back then. Sure. No, people just, he would be ahead of the time. The ketchup cuck. Oh, man. If I had a time machine, that's what we do. Let's go back and run that campaign. He adds themselves with Sean Hannity of the Relative of Young Network, Fox News,

debuted the first ad the day before it even hit airwaves in August. So Sean Hannity was an early investor in the Swiftboat Veterans Truth. Right. Yeah, he probably delivered it really well back then. Oh, he used to have some. Yeah. I'm from hempstead. I take the L.I.

are this guy's a frog um anyway back to tim waltz i guess so what's going is it's him waltz denying it he's saying yeah so uh yeah what's his response i know his response is in here somewhere um yeah so there was some okay waltz himself personally responded on saturday the free press pointed a letter printed a letter, which implied I embellished my military record. The details of my record can be easily found in numerous articles by the free press and other newspapers. Therefore, I must assume the letter is meant to

slander my good name. For the record, I served 24 years in the Army National Guard and retired as a command sergeant major in May of 2005. I served in three NATO training missions to the Arctic and deployed in support of operation enduring freedom, serving in Italy

in 2003 to 2004. Pogynasta. I was making up Osta Using innuendo to defame A candidate's character Has no place in this debate No one's questioning your character

At least I'm not I'm just saying that you Seems to admit that you have no skulls I want some skull I want I wanted to be hash marks On the side of your car Indicating how many You know people you shot

You're unalived I don't know It's just we I want I want What happened to the candidates being spectacular Right. And you can't just say, well, he's a VP candidate. It doesn't have to be spectacular.

America used to aspire for more, you know? Especially if you're going to be the war guy. Democrats should never be, this never works. Democrats should never be the war guy unless they're the war guy, you know? Yeah. Unless they like, you know, unless they have, like that guy, Eddie Gallagher, that Navy SEAL who like stabbed someone who was like in his hospital care or whatever, who got off. if he was a Democrat which I don't think he is

but if he was Democrat that would be a good get you know that would that would be yeah let's run him yeah and you know you're much better off in this country having a guy who's been through a war crimes tribunal than like you know um some guy who like whatever help people buy houses or whatever it's pointless yeah so uh what are we have here

I'm writing a response to Tom Hagan's law. Who is Tom Hagan? The guy from the Godfather? Oh, okay. So this was another time the allegation was level at Waltz. And I think this is a quote from Tom Hagan. Through artful omission, Waltz is leaving the impression that he served in the combat zones of the current conflict.

I think that's fair to, I think that might be fair to say based on what's on his website. No, when I first heard this, I, look, to be fair, I said, um besides you know like who care but like you know besides my whole fetish with the skulls my first reaction was you know oh the swift boating him right like a lot of people claiming um which is fun it's just fun to remember nostalgia is fun yeah this is like a stranger things right now uh the swift boats so i mean but that being said when i heard a you know like oh did you give them shit because

he fucking retires isn't 22 years whatever that being said when they start hearing like no but he's in Italy and he's claiming he's overseas. It's like, all right, what are we doing? Yeah. What are we getting that? The truth is that he served in Italy. Megan the pasta. There is a significant difference between whilst garrison service in Italy

and the extreme danger young men and women are facing in the combat zones of Iraq and Afghanistan. If they're actually there. And I'm sick of this because there's so many people in the combat zone who, like, also could probably be accused of not really being in danger, right? like this idea you get combat pay if you're in like bagdad during the war whatever whatever it was which is fair no one I you know you should get hazard pay if uh if the if the floor is slick in the warehouse I agree with that too yeah I'm saying but that being said but I don't like people giving the idea that they have a bunch of skull that they didn't get all right like let's just cut they they they have confirmed kills right this is not like we'd have to we don't rely on

say I believe is that that's really a thing right you see it in movies all the time I mean I'm not a veteran I don't know but I've heard confirmed kills all the time how do you confirm a kill you have to like you have to scalp them I don't know how it works I mean I guess you just report it but then people like they have to verify it right you can't just they just take your word for it I mean yeah I don't know how that works I mean nowadays you probably have body cams imagine imagine imagine pulling that body cam footage soldiers have body cams well If my thing gets started and they have to prove to me that they got these skulls, they're going to have to get them.

They're going to have, remember when they were asking the families to buy them body armor? It's buying me a GoPro so I can convince come, I got the skulls. You know, that's actually, it raises an interesting point about scalping. Yeah. Is that like, was part of that? Was that they were trying to confirm how many people they had killed? Yeah, no, it was 100% that. Yeah.

They would get paid for it. Oh, wow. Yeah, no, I don't, I forget exactly how. I'm pretty sure that you would get paid like a bounty or something for that. Oh, you mean the, oh, did the Indian scalp? I believe white people scalp too. White people scalp sometimes too. Yeah, you would do something because you would definitely, you would have to bring back or

like, at least you would bounce, maybe they wouldn't, maybe just bring the whole body. I know when you play Red Dead Red Dead Redemption too, you have to bring the whole body back if you kill him. Right. You can't just cut his head off. Oh, that's inconvenient. Yeah, they should just let you cut the head off. Unless I remember in the game wrong, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't an option to cut the head off.

that would have been nice because it was you know to rock stars credit it was a kind of a struggle to bring the body to the whole that body back sometimes yeah it was so slow right um but it was important because you couldn't you know because abraham lincoln needed to know or whatever um um mr hagan makes me ridiculous claim that i misleading voters like oh wait he says early. I retired a year before my battalion was deployed where Iraq and was a run for Congress. I mean, look, that's fine. And you can be in Congress.

But if you want, in my perfect world, if you'd want to be president or vice president, because you could always, you know, that could happen. Implicably by nature. You have, you should have stayed. Yeah. I can't say that now. I mean, it's like, there's a thing in law called ex post facto. or something you can't be charged with a crime if the law wasn't if that law wasn't in the books

when you did it right yeah so i can't say hey like i you know i robbed this guy well that wasn't you know it wasn't illegal to rob your wife right but now it is or whatever yeah uh i can't i can't i can't do nothing about waltz now i mean he can be a vice president if he wins but in my perfect world we'd have a constitutional amendment 10 skulls minimum that's just a minimum You get a lot more. And I feel like, you know, the more you get, the more is like, yeah, I mean. Now, is this, is this, you have to have 10 skulls if you were in the military, or you have to have been in the military and have 10 skulls? That's a good point.

Only if you're in the military. Or if you ever bring it up. If someone wants to run based on their glowing civil service record, they can do that. Yeah. If you're a postman, you can be president. Yeah. Good luck. You know, I mean, you've got a hundred skulls is postman.

maybe she should get skulls anyway though maybe shouldn't be limited to the military I think anyone like anyone who gets a bunch of skulls should be like I think this is what do you think this job is when do we get convinced to the president with some guy who help people it's about like letting people like you know letting people die like who you know it's like it's like it's just every day is not a trolley uh what I can call trolley problem the trolley problem where it's like you know 100 people die if it probably goes this way and no one dies that way and you have to pick you know the president has to pick the one that kills people

you know right I got that right kills more people yeah whichever kills more people that's the point it's not I mean what are we doing this is this is America's about three things money skulls and fast cars and it's what was Tim Walt's drive probably a Hyundai I want some guys got like, you know, a Mustang or a Lamborghini. I mean, they drive a Lamborghini in Italy while he was making pasta. I mean, I'll feel like, if you show me, did he ride a motorbike? If you show me that, but he was like shot in the head while he was in Italy, I'll feel bad. Yeah, I don't think he was shot in the head while I was in Italy.

I mean, what a crazy response. I would just say that. Oh, you joke, but I was shot in the head for sleeping with some guy's wife. I just wanted to see if there was, like, like a if there was anything special about Italy's role in the Iraq war didn't have one that's especially Italy participated in Operation Ancient Babylon by providing forces just in southern Iraq more like Agent. Oh that's like the Italian art. More like Operation Ancient Babylon B. Uh, moving on. I think, you know, what's this what's this thing with the

with the astronauts? Let's move on. Oh yeah, let's go to the positive someone else like it didn't great yeah um so the there are some people stuck on a spaceship people are astronauts what people or astronauts they're astronauts okay because honestly it would be worse if they were an astronaut well there's this whole thing there where any idiot can be an astronaut if they go on like SpaceX right is that what is that one is that one of these things or these actual astronauts they don't look like that they don't look at this was um a a Boeing oh he's just These are just morons who pay to go into space

Or are these actually astronauts? They train and like all this stuff And like do all the cool Like the things that you end like are they scientists? You know, that's a good point. I guess we can't assume that anymore. Yeah. Hold on some guy who's just like who's like that dad invented post-its

And now he's just like some rich kid And he's like I don't care if he gets a loss in the nebula. Boeing Starliner spacecraft had so many problems during its first crewed launch to the International Space Station that NASA officials aren't sure whether it will be able to bring its crew back home as planned. It's got two, wait, why are only two people there? There are only two people.

Well, hell on, we read more of this. NASA astronauts. NASA astronauts. Okay, so, hey, hey, Butch Willemore and Sanita Williams. I just wanted to make sure that, you know, you got the credit you deserved. I'm not confusing you with, you know, some bum who, you know, some who invented American Idol and now he's you know I'm on flying to the sun all right you're actually good enough doesn't make you I mean I don't love astronauts don't get me wrong I'm not like you know I'm out like Neil Armstrong you know Stan but it's better than whatever the alternative is so what happened where where these where why they lost NASA astronauts Bush Wilmore and Sanita Williams maybe stuck on the International Space Station until February 2025 oh there's no other on the international space station okay oh there's no other on the international space station okay

Okay. I think still exists? Yeah. Seems crazy. After issues cropped up with the spacecraft, with the spacecraft, they rode to the station. This was the first crude test flight of that capsule, Boeing Starliner, and it is not yet clear whether it will be safe for Wilmore and Williams to use it to get home. This seems like they're making, I feel like we got duped into this story. Someone's going to get them back, right?

well um someone has offered to get them to get them back don't is it is it the scum it is it is he going to use the same is he going to offer to get him back in the same uh submarine that he he offered he then he accused people being pedophiles then remember in Thailand along musk it's very much like that situation except this time it seems like people might want him to do it well he has been doing space stuff for 10 years yeah it's a little different than when like those kids in Thailand went missed you know stuck in the cave and he's like oh let me let me use my my my my crazy submarine and they're like no he's like well you're other pedophiles different than that he actually claims to have a spaceship that works right

like do people go on it i don't one blew up like a couple years ago but i mean you know whatever there's not a lot of spaceships lying around i mean what would you rather do blow up or stay on the ISS until 2025. I mean, what, that's, that's, that's, uh, six months. Yeah. These are people who, these are, these are, like, these aren't, like, rich idiots who, like, decided they wanted to, like, see what a fucking, a vacuum looked like. Yeah.

You know, oh, I wonder what a star looks like closer. You're not that much closer, idiot. Right. I guess it is brighter because you're not looking through the atmosphere anymore. But whatever. It's still dumb. If you wanted to do this, you would have done it. You decided to make, you know, make a sawdust mill and make a billion dollars doing that.

But whatever, these are NASA astronauts. They like it. They train to eat their own piss or whatever they do up there. Right. Again, not an insult. That's part of the deal. I don't think I'd want to go. I think that if Elon Musk's spaceship somehow got up to the international space station,

I don't think I would want to go on it. If I was a NASA guy, yeah, but to be fair, I'm not sure what NASA's been doing for you. I mean, they look, they're stuck. Yeah. NASA is not what it used to be. Right. I don't want to give Musk any credit, but I mean, like, he's been, he might be doing more space stuff in NASA these days.

This is not bode well for NASA. And you'd like to hear a nice story about how, no, we're not idiots. We know how to go to space. We go up and down. And all these stupid musks, but it's not true. They're stuck there for a year. So, I mean, I can't really use this

as a clodulent against Elon Musk. Well, let's see what they're thinking of doing. We're talking to them? Recently, the possibility of NASA of relying on Elon Musk's company, to conclude Boeing's mission has increased. NASA is considering launching a SpaceX crew vehicle to the ISS in September with two open seats,

which could be used by Barry Wilmore and Sanita Williams. Wait, so they're going to send other rich morons up there and then like if they have two open seats, though. So it's like they have to sit next to like, like some, you know, Mexican telecom, the guy who ran the telecom thing. oh right i forget his name carlo slim

they have to sit next i mean honestly it might be good for the mechanism business tips from carlo's slim they have to sit next to mike reese from the simpsons apparently he also went on like the ocean gate thing like a million like a bunch of times how rich do you get from being like an EP on the simpsons i thought like was he invented simpsons i mean he was there from the start um he could be pretty rich i guess

or maybe they're in charge that much to go to kill people it's like a buffet it's like only a thousand bucks oh wow wow what's that noise can boersen is an official say there is no requirement for the crew to return on starliner concerns about starliner's readiness arose from recent test results NASA's expected to decide on the next step by mid-august yeah i mean i don't know it doesn't seem like there's any reason for anyone to go to space. How about we stop going to space? Right.

Or we do it. I mean, have we gotten really any significantly any further with human beings than, you know, the ISS and the moon? Like, no, it seems like the big thing now is to get people to basically be tourists in space. Right. I mean, I don't know. This whole idea of going to Mars, A, why aren't we doing it? And B, I hope we don't do it. Right.

It's point. I mean, who wants to go to Mars? Yeah. Oh, we have to go there in case of global warming. How about we just stop? We don't need to keep going. With this idea that we have to, humanity has to keep going. If we destroy our own planet, then we probably, that should be it.

Yeah. I'm not saying it's, you know, I'm not taking a side of the global. I'm not saying we should credit Thunberg or not, you know? I'm not picking sides. But I do think, like, that's like enough. It's like trying to make too many diehard movies. You know, if Diehard four flopped, which I think it did, right? or five, it flopped, we don't need another one.

Yeah. We don't need another one. I agree. What do you need? Yeah, I don't think we need a second Earth. Oh, we made a shittier Earth that you can like start over. Like what is this for? Like we have to keep the wisdom we've had to try.

The wisdom we've accumulated and keep us from destroying our planet. If that's the case, right? We have as accumulated wisdom that we have to keep going through history. And it's like, if all that led to us with destroying our own planet, Then what are we, what are we sharing with people? How about you guys just start fresh? Whoever, you know, whatever microbes take over the planet. There's ideas like this foundation show, right?

Where the book, I Asimov, but then the show happened. It's like, oh, we have to preserve the knowledge. It didn't help you in life. Didn't help anyway. You have to preserve it because all that knowledge led to nothing. Right. Knowledge don't do shit. Um, if you, if you,

got if the world was going to end yeah and you had you know a ticket to mars yeah would you take it i did i take it to mars you had a ticket to mars like we both had a ticket to mars right do you think that you would want to take it or would you want to just like well yeah i'll take because i'm a weird bug who wants to live yeah but i'm just saying we shouldn't set this up yeah if you're offering me a ticket i'll be like well yeah i guess i won't die in the explosion if you're just going to hand me the ticket yeah i'll see what's up right you know maybe Maybe there's a good Chinese restaurant on Mars and some dim sum, right? Yeah.

I think you mostly have to farm potatoes with using your shit or something. We can't freeze. I mean, look, you can go to any supermarket and get frozen Chinese food. It's not ideal. But I got to imagine there's a way to freeze some nice Chinese food and then bring it to Mars. I mean, I can't, if we can't even do that, how are we getting to Mars? I could see you like fomending a revolt on Mars with the speech, like giving the speech to people. we could have frozen Chinese food right now.

They could have done it. They just didn't want to spend the money. Yeah. No, our lives don't matter to them. Evidence by I mean a goddamn potato. It's delicious sesame chicken. You know?

I mean, it doesn't need to be like, you know, the greatest Chinese. Like, oh, San Francisco has the best Chinese food. I'm sure it does. But I'll settle for like a New York, you know, Chinese kitchen, you know, $12 for a sesame chicken combo meal. I'm not looking for the best of the best, but I don't want supermarket Chinese food either. You know, these are the negotiations

that we have. Right. That would have revolt. These are the negotiations you'd be having for like how the powers that be are going to are going to buy you out and right. You know, turn you against Oh yeah.

The protesters. I started this whole Chinese food thing. They don't really care about it that much. give you get enough from me or something else something else something something you know of equal value they they they were just they were just tired and hungry they give them more potatoes they'll be happy I'm the one who starts this whole give me Chinese food thing you're talking to the crowd again but now you're in a fur coat there's duck sauce dripping from your mouth

like we got it we got to keep yeah we got to keep the mood of this the We got to be more polite Yeah, the tenor of this Conflict is getting a little heated They're not bad people They want to help You think you could do better? I don't know if you could

I mean, look, we're all hungry here We're all We're all a bit peckish I can still eat I love an egg roll I said I mean, honestly Like if you can't get an egg roll What's the point of living?

that's what I would say to a kid in a wheelchair you can still get an egg roll what's the difference if I didn't have egg rolls I don't alive myself right but you can get an egg roll so stop bitching

sorry you're in a wheelchair I'm sorry our president you were one of his you know attempted skulls this is what I'm saying is when I'm president like oh you we have one of the kids that you I didn't mean to look we can't you have to be

exempt a president is exempt and he's also exempt from the war crimes he committed before he was president that has to be the case right i mean i don't know i mean it should he be i might look we can't turn us into a bit of a banana republic uh i mean we're the spartans a banana republic um i don't know i'm not sure what how is that banana republic i don't know you know just dictators being military guys Those guys, I don't think They're always the best generals I mean, and generals

Those guys are like the The eggheads of the military A lot of the time I mean, sometimes they were in combat A lot of times they were just You know, the guys that, you know A lot of those guys got fragged in Vietnam You know

Right Because they got like, you know Before they became generals Sure Because they were lieutenants But those are the kind of people You know It's not like the guy

You know It's not like the guys in faux metal jacket Like animal mother with a big gun who should have been president in my, in my, you know, world, my, my, my ideal world. It's not like he becomes a general. That doesn't happen. I don't think.

Yeah. I'm not in the military. I don't know. I don't know how it works. I just want, I want people who are the best of being in the military. Or the luckiest. The best,

you think the best of being the military means having a, you know, having a lot of war crimes under your belt? Yeah, I mean, it's not like, you know, Chris Kyle shouldn't have run for president. I mean, you may, movie out of them. If they make a movie out of you, why can't you be president?

Yeah. The guy is an American sniper, right? That's fair. They made a movie going American sniper, not like dirty sniper, not war crime sniper, American sniper. You tell me he, you tell me he's less qualified to be president than Tim Waltz? Didn't he talk a lot about how much he enjoyed killing the kids, though? I mean, you know, some guy enjoys being an accountant.

You got to hold that against him? You want some guy who hates his job? yeah I guess not no let's hire the guy who like who have dry heaves every time he has to shoot someone who isn't you know in a soldier's uniform sorry he starts vomiting

every time he has to pull a trigger on someone who's less than five foot tall no there's a reason people you know the best of the bag like I said you know some people just built for this like LeBron James or Chris Kyle different but different things

right so that's that's how I feel about that yeah look I think that's fair give the kid an egg roll if you feel so bad for them put on those little coffin yeah well you know I picture a movie you have they hand the

the mother of the American flag like I picture you as a politician like you're handing a flag and the flags have little egg rolls and not here sorry for your loss it was a great hero that's the other thing

But all the people who make up your skulls as, as, as, you know, if you become president, they all get flown to Arlington Cemetery and buried there next to you. I think that'd be a lot of fun for everybody. It'd be a great honor, right? Right. Let me imagine. Imagine like, you know, we go to some village and go, hey, just so you know, the guy who took your son. He's a president. So, you know, it's actually kind of like a big deal.

And he gets, we get to put his body in all evening cemetery. Like, what? What is that? We want him to be buried near our family, though, here in Pakistan. The president's his family now. The president, that's his real family. Okay, it's his new family. And, you know, he'll have a grave.

He'll have, like, a big tombstone. Well, no, he'll just be kind of like a cross. It'll be like in front of the president's tombstone. We're Muslim. Yeah, the cross is just a meaning. You know, to be Catholic. It's a universal. Don't get hung up on the iconography of it.

Can it at least be the crescent thing? They probably wouldn't say crescent thing. They would know exactly what it was called. And I say, no, it's just the aesthetics. It's still weird, you know. To us, not to you. So you would look like, you know, I guess, do they have crescent?

Is that, if you, does that exist in the Muslim world? Like as a, as a great. Like, we have like, you know, just, just cemeteries full of like crosses. not a lot of places they have tombstones but you see them so like these cross is everywhere are there ones of the crescent thing hmm okay it's a crescent thing of that turkey am I getting this wrong

I mean yeah how often do you even see the crescent symbol I'm not even sure if it's right if it's that movie you think it means am I right I don't know again I we'd have to have a look it seems weird for me to be saying this now after after my this policy but I'll hire a sensitivity guy

for this conversation. There is actually in the Muslim's graveyard Muhammad is written on the graves and there is a crescent moon symbol over every grave. Muhammad's written on the grave. What about the person's name? Yeah.

It's not my religion. I ain't going to whatever. Well, good. It's a crescent symbol of every grave. But yeah, but yeah, so we won't do, probably won't be able to do that. We won't do that. We'll just to the cross to keep a uniform.

or maybe it'll be fun and maybe it'll be offensive to people maybe we'll do it maybe it'll be you know if it's a Jewish guy be a star David whatever it's like you know if it's a what are the other things what's Hindu I'm not sure if there's a symbol

yeah whatever maybe maybe it can be kind of like a just an informative thing you go that way you don't have to look up the religion of the people who you know make up the president's skulls oh the om okay yeah that could yeah why not just do that that could actually be you know

just a visual guide sure see I'm open-minded I'm an involved man so how do we get this in action I have to become the president to do this so I mean my so we'll end on just this point I want to be the last president

who doesn't have any skulls because I will pass this war so I had to become president somehow right I got to work on that I feel I feel like I'm behind the eight ball probably should have gone to Iraq back in the day that's my mistake that's my fault join the french foreign legion what if i just what if i just joined the campaign and just say i'm sorry for not going to iraq when i could

just lead with that yeah you know hey i want to be present now i know i know he should have gone to iraq it wasn't total cowardice it was more just like why would i go and also you know it wasn't great it wasn't in really good shape and then you know i was just kind of whatever I thought it was going to be a filmmaker didn't really work out I thought to help people that way by making important films didn't pan out but you know

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