Kump - Ep. 215 Trump vs Musk

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

Once allies, now adversaries: Ray and Lucie dig into the digital flame war between Donald Trump and Elon Musk—from EV mandates and Epstein tweets to passive-aggressive truths about sperm, submarines, and shadow bans.Also in this episode:– David Portnoy snaps on a Boston MC– Cannibal meal prep and serial killer lakes– Rand Paul’s MAGA savings account– ChatGPT bans and federal AI meltdowns– Guestbooks at Anne Frank’s houseFull weekly bonus episodes at: www.patreon.com/raykump

Hello and welcome to Kopp. We are watching the fall of Camelot in 2025. I've always liked Elon, and it's always very surprised. You saw the words he had for me, the words are... And he hasn't said anything about me that's bad. I'd rather have him criticize me than the bill, because the bill is incredible. Elon's upset because we took the EV mandate,

which was a lot of money for electric vehicles, and, you know, they're having a hard time. the electric vehicles. He knew every aspect of this bill. He knew it better than almost anybody. And he never had a problem until right after he left. And have you... So what is? This is six months into

the administration, right? We're about let's just give a take, five months. Something like that. I mean, people were freaking out about this Alon Musk character, who I, you know, was basically the Jackie O to Trump's JFK. You know, he was the real first lady.

The real, I mean, yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to call you know make any kind of untoward statements but yeah he was definitely you know in the white house bed what was that the lincoln bed the the taft bed whatever bed he's in jumping on it jumping with a chainsaw you know i don't know who which one was calling each other they're calling each other daddy it was a real it was a real world rent romance it started last summer i believe i remember walking around brooklyn listened to a whatever it was a it was some some interview they were doing where basically he's like maybe you should make

me the head of a doge or something and he was like maybe I will and you know Moss gave him hundreds of millions of dollars for ads and I guess that said you know this guy's great I love this guy and also you know Twitter is an unreadable mess

I mean he became like I don't know if you remember this but like around the election he became sort of like a mascot yeah no he was he was definitely like he might as well have been the vice president who was the vice president I forget his name. What's his name again? Oh, right.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I forgot there for a second, genuinely. J.D. Vann. J.D. Vans. Who could, like, who could forget him? That's a big faux part of my part, because he strikes such an imposing, he's a guy who rattled on his poor Appalachian family, right? That's right.

His rise to political fame was to go, hey, I'm from Appalachia, sort of. You know, I have some cousins from there who are dumb and poor. and he wrote a book about how dumb and poor they are and lazy and that they're there because they're lazy even though like pretty much everyone on both sides of the aisle I feel like a degree is like oh they got the you know those coal miners got a rough shake of it you know they got they got they got they got they got they got you know

it's a dying industry and like you know it wasn't their fault but no J.D. Vance is the one guy going no they're lazy I'm pretty sure he was visiting them like as that region was being ravaged oh yeah by the opioid epidemic oh you know that too I'm just thinking about the coal mining industry collapsing well yeah but yeah oh then then then then Pfizer what that Pfizer uh Stafford uh Purdue Purdue Purdue is Purdue yeah yeah no was it yeah Purdue pharma but it was it was the statue

family or something right right yeah whatever they were the staffers the scoffers the scofflaws you know they decide to unleash Oxycontin onto and JD Vance what but this is not why we're here but jayd vans doesn't care about all that but he despite despite those credentials has outlasted a lot of musk in the in the administration which i honestly predicted i don't know if i made the point on the show before because it wasn't enough it just seemed so obvious it wasn't even funny but like of course trump like no musk is like trump gets rid of people who are normal but like the first go around i'm not saying these people were good people or they weren't war criminals but like you know all these different chiefs of staff he had and he and like you know these these guys who ran the

pentagon for him back then they were all the guys who were in the government for 30 years. Michael Bolton, was his name? Michael was Joshua Bolton or something. The guy with a big stupid mustache. He was Bush's U.N. Secretary. He was basically a guy who was in charge of going like, you know, hey, I

know we invaded Iraq, but go to hell. And here's what we're going to do now. I don't think he came in. Like, he was as far as the second Bush administration. Like, he wasn't even the guy who lied to get him in the war. He's like, yeah, who care. No, we haven't found weapons. Go, what are you? Who cares? Look at my mustache. And that guy was like,

you know, not crazy enough for Trump. That guy, like, Trump's ruining the Constitution or something. I'm just saying, he has fallen out with people who were just, like, who are kind of career people, is my point. Of course, the lunatic who allegedly does ketamine like it's skittles,

and out of all, like it's fun dip. They get it backwards? Maybe. The point is, and it runs around with a chainsaw and his 15 kids from his, 18 mothers. Yeah, I felt it was going to be explosive.

It was going to be a fizzling out that happened. It was pretty quick. Yeah, it happened pretty quick. I mean, people have been predicting this since Trump got elected. Yeah. It wasn't just me. Right.

For when Musk was going to get on his bad side. You're right. Lucy just subtly said, hey, blow hard. You're not, you're a 10,000 person who said that. Don't act like you predicted anything. And she's right. I mean, and I even have to say, I don't think I said it in the podcast.

Like, so you didn't say it. It's a good point, Lucy. I'm an idiot. To be fair, I don't know that. I don't know it. I don't listen to any people. Right, you're just assuming it. Other than us.

That's fair. Yeah. It'd be funny that no one else did, but you used to flated me so hard. Like, I said the most kind of controversial thing ever said in politics. You're like, ah, you're probably the 10,000 idiot. I'm fucking mother of that. Go to hell. Fair point. Well, if you could, why don't you subscribe to the show if you could?

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I'm like it's not like We have a version I think let me You know Censor it You know Realistically Mentally I have to keep

Have these mental blocks I'm a free wheeler I'm a crazy guy I say a lot of crazy stuff if you don't If you let me So that's that's about you prospect we eat glass on there we're circus geeks we do all kinds of geek shit on there you you'll throw up if you watch us but well so we know let's not get because there's a lot here

to chew on so you know because of course they were supposed to personalities but when basically musk if I remember correctly because these things changed so rapidly he was acting so crazy with his chainsaw and annoying everyone in and in the the cabinet that, you know, basically Trump asked him to leave. And now, you know, and they, but they made it amicable. It's not like Trump really, you know, Trump didn't do a roast battle.

You know, he didn't draw first blood this time. No. But he has, he does have this big, beautiful bill, this big tax bill. And Musk did claim he wanted to cut spending. I mean, he did, like, you could argue, well, like, you know, I mean, he's cutting things. It didn't seem to make

making a lot of sense. And the whole rationale seemed to be, for most people, well it just seems like they're like you know they're going to cut a bunch of stuff just like in front of the tax break right a tax cut uh and then they didn't really cut that much in the end and there's still and the tax cuts way bigger than ever was anyone could imagine so uh interesting dilemma don't forget i have i have been on on the anti alon musk team since 2016 2015 so you know this is you you use you I'm never going to... Yeah, he was the scum to you before he was... I referred to him on this show as the scum. That was his nickname, Alon Musk, the scum. It didn't catch on with anyone else but me.

I wanted to make it a whole, like, when you were the wave at a sports event or the PTA meeting. But, you know, it didn't catch on. But, you know, I referred to him as the scum. I thought it was a fun name. And again, it was the 100 million time I've said it, but the initial thing was that stupid thing in Thailand

where, like, those kids were entrapping the case. those cave those guys were like the biggest experts in the world like cave diving like just I mean what they accomplished was insane they like I mean they knocked these kids on conscience unconscious with like you know with drugs in order to get them and bring them back through the cave and the whole incredible and they saved all of them which I think so as I'm saying I know it does look if I was an idiot I can make it you know some joke or whatever it sounds oh you're not giving the kids drug But they had, I mean, look, what, you want some, this kid freaking out in the middle of, like, a zero-tolerance sliver you're dragging them through? Right.

I wonder if they broke the kid's bones at all to drag them through slots. I mean, why would, how do they get through? That doesn't make any sense. But I have the good sense not to go and bother them while they're planning things and go, hey, I got some ideas. But Alon Musk wanted to give them, have them use his experimental submarine, which, whatever happened to that, by the way. Right. If it was so great, why are we not riding around in submarine taxis? Ten years later.

But he accused him of being pedophiles, right? Right, yeah. Sorry, that hurts the algorithm. Do you think that had to do with them with knocking the kids out? I don't think, no, I don't think so. I think he just wanted, I mean, that would be, see, I actually made, like, a point that was like, you know, if I was going to make that point, would be not valid, but, you know, at least has something, too.

he just I think he just said because he's the submarine thing he didn't want he they didn't want to use a submarine if I'm wrong I mean but look in hindsight does it seem like he may ever makes sense no he doesn't uh whatever but I've had a track record against this guy so I'm looking at the wrong thing it's serial killer in Austin maybe we'll get to that later uh where we have here we're the mu the money he's thing for the people the people with the chat GPT you I use it for everything and solves my life in a sentient. Like, it can be a good tool, but I asked it for like a rundown

in the whole relationship, and like the last two lines are the administration, and everything else is just like Alam Musk, a bit with Trump at the White House in 2017 and tried moderating power. Who cares? You know, we're going to be taken over by AI? You don't have a good sense to know, hey, I'm probably affirmed to mostly this. Give me a little, give me a little background info, but how about 95% of it isn't pre-2017?

Stupid. You're going to take my job? What job? Oh. But seriously, though, the, uh, help me out here, please, Lucy, help me find my center, please. What are you, what are you trying to figure out? Well, we're discussing, all right, so basically he leaves the administration. Yeah.

And this big, beautiful bill is getting passed, and he's very upset because he wanted, you know, to, to, to cut the spending. he wanted to cut the you know his whole thing was that the yeah cut cut cut cut right but let me why because it was the whole during the campaign it was it was all this this is the most important thing ever or deficit is tremendous right right and like you know and and this if he actually does care about the deficit I will say this is a real cement rub to the face this big beautiful bill apparently it's raising the it's going to raise the debt by 2.4 trillions of a national debt up to 5 trillion with interest. So that's not the same as cutting the national debt. That's a little different. That's more like doubling

or tripling or maybe now. I mean, I don't know what the numbers are. And a 10-year ban on state-level AI regulation. Well, that's, yeah, we'll get to that in a second. That's something I don't know no one else has talked about. I got a rundown. of this information by the way we'll get to that we'll pocket we're gonna pocket

hole that term pocket hole I'd like to you're on right hold that you're on I'd like to rat hole that information for a few minutes okay but I want to dress this first for the rat hole I'll pull out of the rat hole as soon as it's pertinent um yeah no point is so he does seem like me but Trump is making a great claim he's claiming that the only reason that must is going after this bill I mean just seem even without this it just seemed like Musk was butt hurt that he was asked to leave because

he kept acting like a maniac Yeah and Trump and Trump kind of slipped in A little bit of a cut there with it with the electric Vehicles He basically said hey you you Autistic Sissy I don't care about your electric vehicles

Well that's thing but it'll be fair That's all that's all afterwards like you said he didn't draw First Blood and he's not afraid of doing that in general but like you know he was actually like, hey, even now, he's like, hey, Musk did a great job. Like, if you watched the whole thing. Right. He did a great job. Like, oh, you think this is because he ran Doge?

He ran Doge great. But then I think he got mad because he's EV cuts. Like, which is, if it's true, look, it's very clearly could be true. Why wouldn't it be? This is man seen as he was not driven by profit at the end of the day. Juan Musk, of course he, I mean, yeah. That being said, I hope it's not true because it's so great that Trump said it if it's not true.

It's such a great thing to, like, just... I mean, here's a thing. This is why you hate a guy, like, Alam Musk. First of all, we're supposed to believe that you got this guy elected. Maybe he didn't. But, I mean, that's the person... A lot of people claim that he got Trump elected

for the second of his term. Yeah. What was so funny? No, no. Okay. No, and then, like, you know... And he acted like this was like the... the elections, to end all elections,

this South African angel of Gabriel, you know, or John the Baptist, we have to get Trump or else the country will fall apart. And like, he's just to be this genius, right? He wants to be, he wants people to think he's Tony Stark. Right. He's Iron Man. And he's really, I mean, if you take anything at face value,

he's a moron who got the most crooked guy in history a second term. And then, like, got immediately burned by him. And you go, oh, Trump's going, I'm not saying he's the worst guy in history, the worst president. He's the most unabashedly crooked. That's why it's fun. You people got to get, like, he's not being moralistic about it. It's just fun. He's just a slime bowl, and he's great.

I mean, it's bad for the country fundamentally. These are not good things. But the things that make him likable is not because he's, like, hugging kids of AIDS. You know, he's up Princess Diana. he's a slime bowl dealer wheeler dealer it's a fun time if you ignore you know anything of consequence whatever point is like I mean this is the thing this is the guy who wants us to think he's the most brilliant man in history Elon Musk who's going to build AI cars and robo taxis and he got burned by like an open flame you know right so I don't it's just it's a very fun time

Um, very predictable, but it's just a funny way, you do we have that interview you were showing me? Was there more than this or? I hadn't even asked him about Trump and, uh, you know, it's not like I agree with everything, uh, the administration does. So it's like there's, I mean, I agree with. First of all, where are they? Are they on the factory tour of the Snyder pretzel factory in Pennsylvania? What is this? Why, like, you heard the guy's VO. Why is his musk so low in the mix? yeah it's a strange thing this is what is it's good morning America or something

yeah I think that he's uh they're like in front of a bunch of engines it seems like I mean I I don't think it's really a pressile fact it's probably Tesla I was joking when the answer it was a standard pressel factory but you get the point

much of what the administration does but we have so low you know the things that I I don't entirely agree with but I don't It's difficult for me to bring that up in an interview because then it creates a bone of contention. So then I'm a little stuck in a bind where I'm like, well, I don't want to, you know, speak out against the administration, but I don't want to...

Well, I'm having a hard. ...the responsibility for everything the administration is doing. In Washington, federal workers say that Doge has left the government's operations in disarray. Yeah, I mean, the guy actually going to mean, does he... And worst of all, it might... have all been for nothing. So he's very upset about this whole bill, and he's acting now, like, I'm just a reasonable guy, right?

Meanwhile, you're up there, like, any given time. Do we have a tweet? Is it a tweet he said? No, it's just something else I read at one point. He's going, like, you know, I just want, I guess if people like big government, they might hate me, but I believe in small government. And it's like, no, no, no, you were like tweeting images of yourself as like Maximus from Gladiator

like slashing old people in the face you know and like when you were cutting Medicare you're going maybe I don't know and you were definitely playing into the whole chaos element of it all and acting like a psychopath

and gleefully so trolling people I think is what the kids call it as they hit me with bats they usually they say we're trolling you fat boy yeah at some point like he did say something like people thought that I was going to be taken away their social security checks.

Like, I have no idea where they got that impression. Yeah, you could have avoided that. You could at any point come out and sit on Twitter, on the interview. I'm sure someone would have put you on TV if you, you know, called them and said, hey, I'm not going to do that. But you didn't, did you? I mean, occasionally you would say, hey, I'm not going to. But in general, the vibe was definitely like, hey, I'm going to do all of it. Maybe.

Yeah. You want to be coy boy. and now you're now you're now you're destroyed boy that's terrible that's the worst thing I've ever said that might be the worst thing I've ever said in my life but yeah it's just a fun that and now this is all preamble because now there's a tweet battle going on that's the real that's the real fun of it all right let's see so we got um this Trump but I guess responding to it because he's been going on what we showed you wasn't just you know

he's been going off about this big beautiful bill for a minute musk so he said this is Trump I guess on tweet social what they call it tweet social oh this is a truth social right it's called truth social and you go oh it's just dude it's great branding

he's so good of branding that he's calling it true knowing that like the gimmick is I don't tell the truth something called true so it's not just that he's lying it's the a nash with the lying and you're going to go after this guy you better bring it if you go after trump i never knew before because i've never been on this platform yeah i mean i never knew before that the that retweets on here are called retrues i never noticed that that's hilarious it's so great um and to be fair look at it and when he goes on the news the fake news i mean a lot of them are

he's like he's like i love it when he goes deaf new york times and i mean they are liars so it's like you know it's sometimes you need sometimes you need a battering ram uh to fix nothing but just have fun right doesn't fix anything but it's nice and it's like no one's fixing it that's the secret sauce that's the secret starts all this nothing's changing for the better you know you got what would you whatever I mean come whatever whatever a lawn was wearing thin I asked him to leave I've got to reframing it immediately like it went from like we had a very amicable splits like I asked him to leave I took it away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy

a little. It didn't force anyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted that he knew from, oh, no, I guess it did, right? Oh, the mandate, right? There was a mandate against combustion engines, I guess, right? Yeah, at some ways. I don't know when it was going to effect, but I guess that's gone now. Good.

Which he knew for months I was going to do. And he just went crazy. Oh, okay, yeah. I mean, maybe this, I forgot, I was thinking about the subsidies, but maybe the mandate, right. I got to be honest, I'm a little ignorant on the details of that. But there was something, I believe. And then we have Alon, so he's responding to, where is- This is where it escalands.

Right, so this is him today, I guess. Time to drop the really big bomb. At real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT. Which is like, yeah, I mean, everyone knows. I mean, it's not just the Epstein five. The guy has a history with Epstein at Moralago.

I mean, supposedly, they do use it as defense of Trump sometimes because, like, apparently he didn't, he claims he didn't like that what Epstein was doing to women in Marlau. You know, was hanging up young girls or whatever. Doesn't seem like something he'd notice. Right. I mean, to be fair. I mean, like, I might even try to make, it's like, giving Trump's a total benefit of the doubt. I just don't think he'd be like, hey, what's he doing with that young girl? I just kind of picture Trump being the, like, the lone voice in the wilderness.

Right. Like, wait, wait, what's happening here is wrong? Just being like a really noble guy going like, what's Jeffrey doing? That girl's too young. Like, I mean, it's right. It would be, I hope it's true because he's the president. Yeah. I would love, I mean, I would love for that to be true.

And there's no way to know for sure. And, you know, and, you know, Jeffrey Epstein commits suicide. suicide yeah suicide um tragically right uh so you know it was no way to know i guess but the point is but musk thinks he's cracking the case right now i mean literally uh what was it like a week ago whatever you had what cash patel and then ben bongo bongo bonganigo come out and go jepard i've seen definitely killed himself and he's like well wait what about i just did i i worked in prisons all my life and he's definitely a so i mean you know I mean, I don't know what you think you're going to, what barrier you're going to stir here.

We're just, Musk is just, I thought he had a little bit better game than this. I knew he was an idiot in this, I mean, oh, he built Twitter. Okay, but he seems really dumb and crazy, and he might be mentally retarded. Right. I don't know. I'm saying, I'm not saying he is. I know it would be unusual for a man who runs a billion dollar corporation, multi-billion, whatever, almost, maybe, maybe approaching trillion dollars, not today.

it would be very strange if he was not just like autistic but actually mentally handicapped in a way where like you know and yet it would it would feel very fitting yet it seems to be the most likely answer to the question yes um is this is this a retweet of mark this comment mark this post for the future the truth will come out and then we have another one right without me Trump would have lost the election. Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51 to 49 in the Senate.

Such in separate, such ingratitude. Look, very possible. I am not a wank. You know, I don't know that I'm not good at parsing these numbers of, you know, who polls and this and that. And like, there's a lot of money flowing. I mean, there's a lot of money

flowing, you know, what was her name, Adelson? What's her first name? You remember? whatever. Shelton Addison's daughter seemed to be giving a lot of money. I think she got a little more return on her investment, if you ask me. But, you know, whatever.

It doesn't matter. Everyone knows she is. And then we have, what is this one? This is, I mean, these are some of these, whatever, we'll get in a second. The point is, and then at one point Trump made another tweet I saw

where he's like, I did a lot, in the interview, I did a lot to help him. did a lot for a mosque, which I don't think he did. I mean, I love the fact that he didn't. I mean, the guy gave you hundreds of millions of dollars and then, like, you know, and pumped you up on X and all this stuff. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you got you elected and you just, like, pretty immediately, like, just not only just pushed them out of all of it, but, I mean,

look, how could you not? The guy was acting like a maniac. Yeah. But then, like, just gave, like, this bill is just something, it is pretty crazy. Yeah, that's true. It is kind of like, it is kind of admirable. like how quickly Trump just runs through the billionaires? Yeah, it's like some people give money, like I mentioned before,

and get everything they want from him, and then some people get nothing, which is very interesting. And then, you know, maybe there's a pattern there, maybe there's not. I don't know. It's not for me to say, is there? I think everyone knows. Papers, more papers. I mean, Elon Musk really should have used his relationship with Trump to just like,

I'm sure there's some crimes he wants to commit. That's what you do when you have Trump on your side. You just commit whatever crimes you want to commit. I mean, this is Bill. What car do you think he wants to commit? I'm not sure. I'm not sure what kind of guy he is. Do you think he wants to like I feel like he wants to like just

have the government. Like if you gave him just his, like I'm not saying this makes sense but I feel like if you gave him carte blanche he would just like nationalize. sperm banks and then like I don't know like just play like just play games with it just move around the names on it you know right like swap names on the sperm they put his own you know I don't know that seems like it'd be a crime right I could see him sneaking as sperm into I would

not be surprised now like I don't I don't think he did I don't get access to that as part of Doge yeah but if you're asking me what I what I what speculate what crimes was he want to commit I didn't you know I would that's one that's one that's I could see. I wouldn't be surprised if I heard. I'm just saying. I mean, this is the one beautiful Bill act. I mean, it is, it's interesting how people,

it's not like, there's no, we've never been more divided, right? We used to say back in like the two, like before 9-11, there was the whole, it's just one big party, basically, two sides of the same coin, even after 9-11, right? We'd see some of that. But, you know, in the past, since Trump got elected, I feel like, you've had a lot less of that. We're, I mean, we're so partisan. We're so divided, right?

And we seem like we're at a verge of civil war. And yet, like, it always seems to work out that, like, nothing ever gets, even when you get the guy, you, the people want this guy to, like, you know, to, like, you know, what do you call that when you expel people? to just, yeah, purge the... Not purge the... What's... What immigrants? Oh, oh, yeah. What's the word for that?

How we both forget words the same word? The port? One of the odds that every time we both forget the same word. No, he wanted... It's part of the twin flams. We are, we are...

We are husband and wife, but, you know, I never checked if we were related. It's possible. Usually it only matters for the kids But I mean, you know, whatever So yeah What was I say? They wanted him to support people

They wanted him to Cut spending Right? They wanted him to find some Like at one point they seemed to think They were going to find some stash of Some giant stash of dead people Who were receiving benefits

Right. They wanted him to deal with the Epstein stuff finally Right even though I think it initially happened under his presidency too, but whatever, didn't it? Yeah. He came out originally under him, but whatever. They wanted him to finally, if we get him back, he'll arrest these people. And, you know, and he immediately was like, you know, two months in, he's like, hey, yeah, that guy, that guy, kill himself. It was, it definitely wasn't, uh, not fishy there.

It just so. That's so funny. He definitely killed himself. He was hanging. right tax reform this is the bill i mean but yeah my point is that none that gets done right i mean he he's like you know he's always supporting he's like he's like he's important he's like 15 people and like and like you know he's supporting people who because they you know they protest the the israeli uh whatever you want to call it you know don't call the genocide

what is that a little cool jay i don't call it what was don't call it come by was the first line of the song yeah that was a joke I was making right yeah I don't know if that's all the coldre I think it is don't call the comeback ba-b-ba-ba-ba mama didn't knock you well um where was I what was that saying um right he wanted him to oh he's supported college students right college students that that's why everyone was really the whole camp the whole election people were very upset because you know people college students were protesting Israel. That was a big problem everyone

talking about. Not the millions of migrants that everyone was saying we're led into the country. It does seem to be a bit much. And the guy we should get rid from. I don't know if you can if you're really going to do that. It seems unfeasible maybe, but you know, but it didn't happen. I mean, maybe it's cut people coming in.

So that's just, it's more, it's not about what I want or what I choose to get. It's about the fact that like your government really isn't responsive to you. Are you getting that picture? That's kind of what, that's the motif that they, they really, at this point, I feel like they want you to see it because they're sick of having to, like, do things

to make you understand. They're like, stop clamoring at us, stop annoying us. And so, like, I know I'm the president, but somehow it still makes me sad when people, you know, are disappointed on social, just to stop caring because I'm going to do stuff, nasty stuff. But yeah, we got this tax bill now. or this big beautiful bill permanent extension of the 2017 trump tax cuts uh and i don't care what you say i don't make that much money at all and i got screwed on that not a ton i mean you know but still didn't sure as hell didn't help uh the child tax credit increased to 2500 well that's

nice oh wait through 2028 then reverts to 2000 okay raises salt deduction cap 40,000 for households earned under 500,000. Maybe that will almost make some money. Can you just give us some money? Maga savings accounts. $1,000 per child and a tax advantage savings. Well, that does sound interesting. A MAGA savings account.

I never heard. No one's talking about the MAGA savings account. Oh, it's pork barrel. Yeah, but the kid's getting some money. Deficit impact. It adds about $2.4 trillion to the national debt. all right that's a bit

debt ceiling raised by four trillion dollars you have to be fair the Republicans you guys like Rand Paul are like I like everything in this bill I'm over tax cuts

but you know I mean look when I listen to Ron Paul talk about basically being a narco-capitalist or whatever being an Austrian economy and the problem with the Fed it's just interesting

because I'm not look there is Ron Paul and Rand Paul you know, not the same person. Ron Paul's the dad, right? But Rand Paul definitely wouldn't have been nothing without his dad. He wouldn't have gotten in the Senate if his dad wasn't the thing. And he's definitely kind of trading on that same idea.

But somehow the one who sticks around who actually has some leverage for some reason is the one who's like, no, yeah, about low government. But like, just like you're fine with this crazy tax cut except for the raising the debt ceiling. I understand a little bit of our Australian economics and then the Fed and all that. It ain't that. That ain't it. It ain't everything here, but no, no, but no debt ceiling. Rays.

That's not how this works. Burry Rothbard would not support that, all right? Someone get me on a show where we discuss economics. I'm sick of being in the shadows. How about getting that Dave Smith show where he talks to people? He's a big Mises guy. I knew that. I mean, I was into them for a while.

Someone get me a suit. Get a GoFund me going. Get me the world's dumbest suit made out of like chimpanzee skin and I'll wear it on the, on the problem podcast. And I will discuss Murray Rothbard and the Fed. I need to up my exposure. Who else talks about this stuff? How do you talking to Jordan Peterson? I'll outdo his dumb suits.

I'll wear, I'll wear a, what's another animal? I'll wear a suit made of corn I'll just I'll just throw bags at the guy all day bags is what who knows something he likes something he liked in Russia oh man

what am I talking about anymore so there's a lot stuff of this bill and yeah I did point out before it's very it's even in the summary where was it it was it's like it's uh defense Vince, Vince, and then gun silencers removed from NFA regulate? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?

Why do you something else? Gun silencers removed from NFA, right? Why does the Republican Party want gun silencers? That's the part I'm most excited. I mean, look, I get, it could, look, I'm a big fan of the game. Splendor Cell, Tom Clancy, Splendor Cell, where you're a stealth NSA operative, and you, and you shoot people in silence, and metal gear solid, I know what a silencer can do. I'm not sure where the politician could argue a citizen should be doing with a silencer.

I get there's certain people who could use them. I mean, what is the, like, as a representative as a senator, what is your argument to constituents? You need to be able to shoot men in silence. I know it could be very, you know, tactfully beneficial. Medicaid costs projected to leave 11 million uninsured. People have the right. People have a constitutional right. to have stealth.

Yes, I agree. Metal Gear, GUE. Here we go. AI regulation moratorium seen as federal... Oh, wait. Somewhere in there, they're putting a five-year band,

a ten-year band? Do you see... Are you looking into the list I'm looking at, or are you just letting me flounder? Help me. These lists are killing us. Where is this? I'm

I'm losing my mind oh here we go 10 year ban on state level AI regulation guy they're sloping down under the the bed sheets huh

oh it's gonna raise the debt red the debt ceiling oh no oh 2.4 trillion how much is that no one knows anymore who cares

oh 10 years hey for 10 years you can't do nothing to protect yourself from AI how about that no one's and everyone's like

oh but chat cheap PT helped me get off, you know, sugar. I was eating too many mickey nights and chat GPT talk to me. Jack GPT helped me understand why the girl at work thinks I'm a problem. I didn't follow all of its advice, but now I understand. Somebody was, I was looking at this cinematographer explaining, like, you know, advancements in AI video. Yeah. And she was going over this, like, video of, it was basically creating a scenario where people were going to Jurassic Park in real life.

What? It was an entirely eyeing video where some tourists are going to Jurassic Park in real life. Okay. As you pointed out that, like, they kind of adjusted, they mastered kind of the exposure change, even, like, when the camera kind of points up at the sky. and, you know, the exposure and the camera kind of, like, changes for a second and then readjust to it. And she was just saying, like, basically, like, in a few years, it's going to be, like, indistinguishable. Hey, idiot, not you, the cinematographer person. Was there a woman's cinematographer?

I think it was, actually. I mean, I wouldn't have been my, I wouldn't have gone on my way to point you out. I thought you were saying a woman. How about, like, when I take shots of AI, am I doing it? I mean, they are real, right? These things are real. How do you benefit from telling everyone how you're going to be out of a job? I'm like, is this going to do this?

It's going to do your job better. Well, I think she was more making the point that, like, this is going to be used by horrible people for horrible. How about, yeah, but she's a cinematographer by trade. How about you worry about your bottom line, baby, all right? Stop. How about you underplay how good this is? All right? Stop saying, and I'm useless.

You won't even need me. Everyone keeps saying that as if, like, the AI is going to, like, let us all recline in the gardens of Eden and eat juji fruit. You know, these are, that's not what's coming. If you're not working, no one's going to give you a house. I'm going to break that to you. The computer is not going to be like, I wonder what that, uh, underemployed cinematographer needs. You don't exist to it. It's not even real.

It's not sentient. It's just brute forcing code over and over, a million miles a second, whomever, and get things wrong all the time. And it's still very useful. I found uses for it that are very useful, limited in scope. And then if you ask me, can it do your job? I would start talking about, you know, kidnapping, you know, rare animals and just change the subject at least.

I wouldn't be like, yeah, of course you could pot. I would just be like I was thinking about kidnapping a peacock How much jail time could they serve for that Try to move this conversation away from How easily you could be replaced People are just like gleefully going I'm my job I don't have to do a job

So dumb But yeah but apparently one of these things Because they try to they're trying to sell this whole AI ban you know regulation ban which just sounds like the most undefensible thing you can think of. Yeah, and it's like it's not even, we're not going to federally regulate this. It's actually banning states from regulating it as they see fit. Right.

Well, their argument is that like where we want to make sure we have a unified policy. Right. You know, and that's the thing. Like, you know, we can't have all this patchwork stuff. We have to compete with China. We have to compete with China. How about we stop letting people China by condos in New York City? so I can afford to live.

Now, that's never the answer, huh? Never the answer. Here we go. So the Obot includes a 10-year-a-prohibit states from creating or enforcing laws on AI systems, overrides over 60 existing state-level AI laws. And here's what's interesting about it, prevents laws like New York City's AI hiring audit rule

and Tennessee's Elvis Act protecting against AI impersonation. Well, that's cute. So it's like you can't even, I mean, didn't Scarlett Johanston just, like, get, like, get a lot of news coverage because, like, she, I don't say passed a bill, but there's some bill where it was like, you know, stop, take, stop making AI's of my ass. Stop making AI nudity as of me. Yeah. Yeah. Me as a girl from Avengers.

What was the name again, Scarlett, Scarlett Rose? No, what was her name of the Avengers? Come on. Black Widow. Black Widow. Stop me. You just, like, you just inserted the name of the actress. I'm trying, people.

I'm trying to do everything for you. But my point, so, you know, supporter arguments avoid a patchwork of state laws that could stifle innovation. Oh, we don't want to stifle innovation, huh? Our upskirts innovation? Or AI, upskirts are, I mean, I guess technically. You could get some, like, you know, pervert

to do a video like the cinematographer did, and go, well, actually, you know, you haven't going to need me anymore with a mirror on my shoe. whatever, you know, look where AI can, it gets all, it gets everything right, you know, promotes national consistency in AI regulation. You know, if you ask me what was the most important thing, you know, if I never, no one in these polls, these Ratsmoonson polls, whatever they're called, they never call me. But if they did, then they asked me, it was a problem in, you know, America you want to fix. I would have said number one thing was to not to have national

consistency in the AI regulation. That, that's, that, that's, that's what's, that's what's holding us back, claim to boost. That's what keeps me up at night. Yeah, it's just the inconsistency of it all. But pick a lane, you know, regulator or I don't,

but just don't, don't mix it up. This is literally, I mean, this tells you that lobbyists don't even have to lobby anymore. Like if I was, if I took a bunch of money from these people, they never give it to me for some reason.

Maybe because I'm just, you know, not educated, obnoxious and I'm weird looking. and they sound weird, but for whatever reason they won't hire me. But they did hire me and gave me a bunch of money. I would come to the table with a lot better reasons than that. Consistency. I think people really value consistency in AI-I regulation.

I mean, there's no narratives. I mean, we used to have a Cold War, at least, to convince people of stuff, you know? Right. We used to, like, have 9-11. Yeah, I mean, it would be so easy to say. Yeah. Like, you know, if we don't get a grip on this, then China can use AI unilaterally for super horrible means.

They can create tons of propaganda with it that we can't compete against. Mr. Senator, the Chinese are hiring these lobbyists. That's what's going on. Does this instill you with any, are you optimistic about the future of the country? It's too many papers. There should really not be this many pages. I print all these things out, and they hurt the show. I mean, I don't think they hurt it that badly.

Some of these are backwards. I don't even know how that happens. What is this other story we have? You want to talk about the serial killer in Austin? I don't know anything about it. It just says that, like, there might be a serial killer. They found a much of bodies in the river, like 36. A lot, right?

Like 36 of them. I don't even know. I mean, where's there even a river? I guess is that the river? We've been to Austin once and we got COVID immediately. Like literally the moment we landed in Austin we got COVID.

But is that the river that's about the hotel? Yeah. It wasn't a particularly nice river. It was very green if I remember. Yeah, strange color. Maybe it was the bodies. The bodies are making it green perhaps. Maybe.

Whatever. I'm just trying to. I'm curious about what kinds. I mean, you know, because I'm, I've been into true crime in the past. Sure. I'm always curious, like, what kinds of bodies are in the lake? Are they, you know, are they girl bodies? Are they boy bodies?

You walk around assuming every body of water has just a ton of women in it. Which makes sense. I mean, look, it's fair. I mean, it's what they seem to, it seems to be what they're going for. Well, it just lets you know, like, the flavor of serial killer you're potentially dealing with. Right. Yeah. Are we dealing with a, with a, with.

the Dahmer or Bundy here. Did they both dump bodies and rivers? I don't think either of them dumped bodies and rivers. Or maybe both. Like what would be the... What would be the Dahmer and what would be the Bundy? The Dahmer body disposal technique is like... I think he kept a lot of people's remains in his apartment.

Oh, he ate them, right? Which is how he eventually got caught, I think. He would make a bit of the link cuisines. Do you think he meal prepped them? We've been getting it as a meal prep, we're trying to, you know, save money, be frugal, whatever, you know. It's like, you know, every time now I think about I'm cooking people up and it's like, I wonder if he, like, you know, got deli containers. It was hard to get them back. Then you go on Amazon and get deli containers.

But, you know, maybe you would have to go with deli and be like, hey, how do I get those containers? I'm like, get out of here. I need it from my potato salad. I'm not sending them to you. And so he just, you know, whatever. I mean, maybe go to Chinatown. They have those, like, you know, what they call those people? The people who sell businesses, suppliers, restaurant suppliers.

Right. Yeah, exactly. And he's got some, you know, so, I mean, I would like to know if I am being eaten by a Dahmer type guy, then not be wasted, you know, meal prep me. You know, don't just assume you're going to be able to eat me in time. There's a lot to go around. Yeah, we're used every part of the animal. Braise me, you know, uh, so.

saute me use my bones as instruments yeah make a stock out of my bone oh it's instruments interesting you think you should like play drums with my bones yeah that was it's possible it would be so funny if you got like you got you like join Metallica like he behaved playing with these crazy drumsticks and then they found out they were made of my bones my femurs they have a lot egg in their face uh but no the story I was talking about was the the David the David Portnoy story. Oh, right, yeah. Can we pull that?

This, this has been going around. The other thing is on X.com is David Portnoy. Who's the head of barstool sports who, I think I've been on the barstool. I've never talked to Portnoy, but I think I was on, who's the Kentucky Fried Chicken guy?

Right, yeah, KFC. That hasn't, yeah. The colonel. So this, he got himself. into a bit of a tizzy. There we go. Yeah, this is, uh, I guess just play,

we can, we can add, I think it's funnier if you find the context afterwards. So, play some of this clip of him is floating around. Come on. Raise that volume up. People got to hear it.

Kirk, if you just want me to kick him out, not mention it, not care that this kid not at all. Shut up. If you just want me to ignore it. Don't tell me to shut up.

Shut the fuck up, you bald fuck. Okay, go ahead. How's that? Oh, it's killer. I'll never recover from that, Dave. Go ahead. I'll never recover. I got to be honest of you.

It's not my style necessarily, but like, but he's dead that to him. Like, well, that's just like pretty like, you know, there's a fight more just degrading. And he did kind of go, hey, don't, don't tell me to shut up, which is an appropriate thing to say. Like, don't talk like that. But like, people go, I'll tell you shut up. And then we were up for me. Like, yeah, whatever. I don't care.

I don't know. I was killed. He pulls that off night. I mean, I don't know this guy is honestly. Yeah, it's good delivery. It's good delivery. I guess, kudos to that. I mean, I'm not sure. What's his name in? Menary and daddy? Whatever. One who like, oh, big boss man, don't tell. I'll tell you work for me. Okay, go ahead. Continue.

You work for me. Sure. You bet. But did he really cool that you work for me? I know. I mean, honestly, this idea. I love this idea. Everyone who, like, employs someone else thinks like that person's a bit, like, they think the foundation foundation of capitalism is like bitches and then people who like pay the bitches

to work from them. Like, it's like, you're doing paying the money of the guy. I mean, it's not, I don't think either one's a bitch. It's just, but it's like, it's like, it's a weird, weird flex. You're a bit, I hire a bunch of dogs and rats to work for me in my, in my,

and my, in my gambling website thing. Right. My noble website where we sell you gambling tips. Right, and it's like, yeah, I, and it's not exactly as straightforward as just like, you're working for me as in the capacity of my surf. It's like, you hire, him to do a podcast.

Right. I mean, if that's not the case, can I have half a million dollars? You know, if you're just giving it away. Well, for now, quit. I don't tell you. Is this show or not a show?

Like, is a show or not a show? Like, we can't have a conversation? You're an idiot. Okay. You're literally saying people should be allowed to make two jokes. Say what do they want right now. Yes, I think people should be allowed to make jokes.

So how many motherfuck shoes have to be killed before you stop? Kirk, if you just want me to So I guess David Portnery's argument Is that Jewish people And there's been some violence against Jewish people In the past couple weeks There was the

We discussed the tragedy of the couple From the embassy And the There was a guy with throwing fire I don't know if they went dying that one I know people got injured Yeah people got injured The fire bombs

The Molotov cocktail They were saying they weren't I mean it's a meaningless distinction probably but someone was like there were Molotov type things I think they were just you know oh okay it might have been like I think if you use a different like I think a bottle off cocktail is usually like a like a beer bottle

kind of looking thing or something or you know but if you use like a Cavassier bottle I feel like they call it something else it was weird I didn't know they were so specific I didn't either but I mean I'm not because otherwise I'm not sure why they it was a Molotov type thing I don't think it's a mouth of brand but whatever

I don't get sued by the Molotov corporation The wine bottle, it's a French kiss. Right, yeah, nice. The terrorists used to have like flashier names like that. The French kisser. Carlos the Jackal. He was a more popular one, but the French kisser was good.

Yeah. He did a lot of nasty stuff. Deadly. Yeah. So, yeah, so this is this is, he's saying this response. He thinks that he thinks those people were killed not because of

latent or inherent anti-semitism or in response to, you know, misguided response to a war, whatever, you know, but that because jokes, you know, according to him Jewish jokes, which I'm not even sure what the joke, I do research, so basically, more lists, here we go, yes, this is the one. So apparently, what happened was, So there was a thing at the bar, right?

The bar from a few months a month or two ago where someone said, F, the Jews, a drill on a bottle service thing, and it went viral. Right, the bar that Pornoy owns. Right, but it doesn't do with them. No one thought it did. Some idiot people. I'm not even saying, oh, they're just an idiot kid. I don't know.

But it's also kind of weird that, like, you said about, you have this brand. You open a bar based on the brand. The brand for whatever. reason. I'm not saying why it would, but like it attracts the certain clientele. Well, it's not, yeah. You're not Charlie Rhodes. Right. Yeah, exactly. You're not Gour of a doll.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm William Buckley. It's a different kind of vibe at Barstool. And I feel, yeah, I mean, look, no one's saying that you should have allowed it. But they basically, I guess when you do bottle service, I don't know. I don't. You can have some, like, neon sign brought out or something, custom-made sign.

It sounds dumb in general. doing, how do you just don't do that in general? Because it's stupid. But whatever. It's probably, oh, it's probably such a pain in the ass for the waitstaff. Yeah, well, not anymore because they got fired. Why didn't Portmore get fired? But anyway, so they just went viral, I guess, and then he got really mad.

Which, look, I'm not saying you should allow it. Yeah, if you want to, you know, stop that from happening, he threatened to give them a free trip to Auschwitz. But I guess he realized he'd have to pay for it. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why you didn't send him that. I just get someone killed like who did I just kill Dave to kick him out not I wonder honestly that's really what's what's resulting in all this violence it must be a pretty good punchline yeah well the punch law so apparently what

happened was you know he he turns this unashiret and he didn't and then this guy named beyond average Mick there was just the guy he's talking talking about here. Well, not him. Some other guy. But they're talking about this. Right. So he,

Bion and I was Mick, kept calling him Rabbi Dave in connection with this. Rabbi Dave. I don't know. And then he got very mad about that. That look,

you don't want to play dumb. That's definitely, I guess, a way of saying that, you know, calling him like kind of a jab, like a Jewish guy, I guess. It's like,

it's like, exactly the most biting you know thing ever it's it's just kind of like hey pointing at you i'm not saying there's no ill intent i'm not an idiot but like all right and he's losing his mind about that and this guy who he's yelling at now um i guess threatened you know i was disgusting having him on the show to like discuss it right or maybe or or like even or even or even not just discussed with him but like he had a broker a thing on his show where dave would come on debate him or something. Oh, okay, all right.

Right. Which doesn't seem like totally off course for what he's done in the past. Like, you know, offering a trip to Auschwitz. Right. Which kind of sounds like a threat, but then, unless still you put it in context. But it's like offering a trip to Auschwitz. I would love to, I mean, I would love, I would love to get a trip to Auschwitz. Can we get a trip to Auschwitz?

Yeah, I mean, you know, unless situations changes, we love it. Yeah. No, no, don't play. This is not, this is not some monkeys paw thing where, like, well, yes, but only, you know, if you go back to 1945. And we're not going to be goofballs about being an actual. I would just actually like to go. No, yeah, I'll be very respectful. Yeah.

I mean, I mainly want to see the rest of Germany. I'm not going to try to play. Or is that Poland? Is it Poland? Yeah. Either what, wherever it is. Whether it's Poland or Germany, I'd love to go. I'll go to the camp first and be very respectful.

And then I'll, if you want me to sound. or whatever, a guest book. That was Anne Frank's house, right? Justin Bieber got in trouble. But, remember? Oh, what did he do there? He wrote in the guest book at Anne Frank's house years ago. And he says, I'm like, oh, it's terrible.

I think you would have been a believer. Look, a lot of young girls do like Justin Bieber. That's a great. I mean, he interested in viral marketing before anyone else. I know you would have been a believer in. he went to the OG young female influencer yeah well so now but I would love to go to any country and then we'll go your trip whatever point is um

let's play so I forget what about shut it up no I played this already oh this is just the whole thing yeah what's the part where he's going like how many people have to die was that part of it oh yeah yeah we I feel we skipped over a little bit Fuck up you bald fuck Okay go ahead How's that? Oh it's kill I'll never recover

I'll just stop please I'm saying There's a part where he's literally saying How many people have to die Before you know you stop making these drugs Like the number right like it's just It just doesn't seem to make any sense Like the logic of this Yeah there's no cause and effect there

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