Kump - Ep. 219 Bob Vylan Deported?

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

Ray celebrates the 4th of July with a look at the Bob Dylan/Bob Vylan mix-up, Zionist fences, and what counts as “punk” in 2025. Also: U.S. visa freakouts, psyop lyricism, Gaza breadlines, the return of Big Beautiful Bill, and the death of Michael Madsen.Plus: Should Ray lie about being at the Freak Off for podcast clout?🎧 Get bonus episodes every week: patreon.com/raykump

Welcome to Kump. We're looking at Bob Dylan in what is a kind of surprising turn. I've always thought he was more of a folk singer, but I guess he got into hot water this week over this controversy with, I guess he was chanting death to the IDF. I thought he was Jewish. Well, I guess he could be Jewish. No, no, Bob Dylan is Jewish. He is. Okay.

Yeah, not every Jewish person supports the IDF. No, no, no, this isn't Bob Dylan. This is Bob Villain. okay so right okay so Bob villain is it's not not the same as Bob it's a different thing these are two different artists

okay because I'd seen this guy I didn't think I mean I thought maybe he was related obviously I thought there's like a prodigy where this guy was like where this guy was like the hype guy remember like prodigy had this guy singing but then you know the guy going yeah fire stata I thought he was like

the Bob Dylan guy like a new hype guy he's like you know death to the IDF you times they are changing hey brother you know you know Bob Dylan famously actually wrote a Zionist song called neighborhood bully I didn't read the message but he also he also sells fences now so I mean like you know he's things have changed with the Bob Dylan situation the times are always changing or my or actually maybe that clears things up did is is Bob villain the guy who makes the fences is that why because it doesn't seem like Bob Dylan oh you're like a poet and like a you know what they call him like a folk man and like you're all right brother

hey brother hey don't get me the military in vietnam and then like oh buy my fences at loz or whatever it's just but like is it so is this the guy you can't buy his fences at lows okay these are bespoke beautiful fences so the fences for rich so the fences for rich people okay so but that is bob dillon this is bob villain we're looking at but bob villain who makes the fences Bob Dylan makes sense Okay All right I thought maybe like

Oh like Bob Villan's day job Was like doing fences And that was causing This confusion for the past few years But Bob Dylan The Fokeman does do Fences

Okay Happy Fourth of July By the way This is from the Glastonbury Festival I think I remember You know The White Stripes playing there Or something

You're telling me Oh this is the most important Festival somewhere I don't know Woodstock to me That's big right Woodstock was huge This is all nothing to me

What strikes me is eyes When people try to act tough When they're the When they're when they when they when they when they when they you know Oh my tough like a rapper There's been examples probably I'm not going to deign to choose which ones Where some of these guys actually are

Just as hard as the random Unknown Drug Lord with the gun Right I think for the most part this is all an act With these guys like you're even if you're from a tough area, you're the guy doing rhyming poetry to a beat. Like, you shouldn't, like,

you shouldn't be the guy going, like, we're not pacifist, punk. I mean, the sex pistols, didn't like Sid Vicious kill his wife? And then, like, you know, OD with, like, like, shooting up, like, Drano or something? I'm just saying, like, I'm not, no, it doesn't

do with pacifism, I guess, one way or the other, but, like, you know, you're trying to oh, we're scary guys. Hey, brother, I'm scary. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not the pacifist punk brava it just seems like you know it's kind of a mixed message don't try intimidating me by being out of breath and like you know and dancing yeah but these are the least we'll get through a couple more clips because this is the this is just him being a windbag it's also all a little bit like i don't know it's all just a little bit too direct for my taste like

i feel like if you if you want to be the edgy like punk guy he should have just come into the concert on a paraglider yeah oh that would look that he could is on that i mean that's interesting So, like, just go, like, hey, you think Palestine, I'm going to show you the worst things that they, you know, like, yeah. Like, he's trying to, he's, like, out there because the way he's saying he isn't punk. With a, what do you call it, a sice or a, yeah, yeah, in his hand? Like, yeah, because he's like, oh, hey, the good people don't do it. He should be like, I don't give his shit. Yeah, I'm paraglider.

Yeah. And they throw the babies in the oven. Like stuff like that Just play into it That would be punk I don't know what punk is Like beyond we're just awful weird psychopaths on stage Pissing ourselves

If you walk on stage and you piss your pants And then you shit in your pants That's punk rock This whole thing of like Hey and also the Federal Reserve shouldn't do this Like I don't that's that's that's Bob Dylan's stuff That's a guy who makes fences Like songs like that

You know Hey Mr. Tambourine Man by this friend's from me And in the jingle jingle Mourning You gotta tighten that bolt We're saying We should listen

Honestly we should listen to Bob Dylan Zionist song on the comp dump sometimes Yeah the comp dump We've been speaking of that On the Patreon we have the cum dump But we can't play I can play some of this Because it's not

You know this is not from the From the Bob villain album I guess. I can't just go plain, Bob Dylan's very litigious. So we have a patron on Patreon. He'll come after you. Yeah, he'll come after me.

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This doesn't slap. But the IDF, if you don't know, is the Israeli army. Who wouldn't know that? It just seems like a thing you would say, like, it doesn't seem to have an argument. I just don't like it. I really, just aesthetically, like, I don't really like this whole thing

where you're saying kind of lame songs the entire time. And then in between, you'll do these kind of, like, edgy speeches. Oh, is he? Like, I just incorporated it into the music. Oh, okay. I thought this was the music. I've never heard Bob Billen. I think this is just something he's doing on the fly.

Okay, so the rest of the time he's doing like Blink 182 covers or something. Like, you know, and this is growing up. Yeah, interesting. This is, like, I mean, you could say, well, you did the military, sure. It just seems like a weirdly unspecific. Not unspecific. I mean, we all get why. It's just, I wouldn't be surprised when you're,

chanting, you know, it just does seem like you're getting into the territory of like, hey, like, you know, I don't know what you call that, inciting, whatever. Yeah, it's like, it's like inciting violence, but it's like, it's also doing it and like, you're doing it in kind of like the exact kind of way where you could just, be like be the most dismissable, like make your cause look the worst it could look to the extent that Bob villain could do anything. Like I'm not saying this is a war, like worst thing. Some would argue October 7th made them look worse.

Whatever. I'm just saying, but the extent that Bob Villain has a impact on this, this is the worst thing Bob Villain could have done. Right. To help Palestine. Like, it's not, I can't really get mad about it because, like, the IDF, we were talking about this before. Like, the IDF, it is a military force.

Sure. You know, it, they're. Yeah, no, I don't know. Like, they're going to go pull his, like, visa or whatever from. America. I guess he has an American visa. I do think they've committed some atrocious war crimes in the course of all this.

No, the IDF. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah. No, look, it seemed I don't know if anyone's alive anymore. Yeah. I mean, it's really, it does seem like a very bad situation. I think the outrage of this

as opposed to, like, yeah, I just don't, how many people are in Gaza is like 20 million and like they're just bombing a little time and like there's no one, there's any buildings left? bread line people are getting killed in bread lines they authorized it came out that the

generals or whoever the authority told the soldiers to shoot people online for food that came out I'm not just making that that was reported right yeah no I saw a video of it honestly it's actually one of the more hellish things I've ever seen in my life

people are like people are just starving people just kind of rushing towards this really contained area to get some food and then just screaming and running away. Yeah. People are, people firing into the crowd. I mean, imagine just instead of doing this,

just you saying that on stage. Right. And like, nothing solves anything. I'm not saying like anything. Oh, you would shame them into stopping it. But I mean, just not. That's, oh, so like you just, it almost seems engineered.

Right. It almost seems like, hey, how do we get people to not like the got Palestine? Palestinians and not care about Gaza. Well, I get that, you know, on one level, the reaction seems over, like a misappropriate, a misaligned outrage. But I don't, accidents don't happen that much. Everything's planned. Yeah.

I used to be like, hey, it's all, no one's controlling everything. And it's just, it's a lot of competing interests. And, you know, it's like, yes, because what we call conspiracy is, there's a lot of, you know, the media is not real right yeah but like it's not all just like some you know ahs behind the curtain kind of thing but maybe it is because it doesn't nothing like why would this work why would this be a good idea yeah the whole thing does just kind of seem kind of fake right yeah like it's it's just who is this fake punk right who's doing like fake i've never heard music that sounds like this in any

genre? Yeah, it's like, it's like Irish, like, uh, river dancing or something. Irish river dancing rap punk. Yeah. Well, I was on the path to kill money. It's like, I'm a brother. He had another

one where he was, uh, it's like a weird, it's like a weird merger of, of a kid rock aesthetic with Bob Marley. It's just, it's just bad rage against the machine. And you could already rage you know, the commies, and I'm sure people will say that.

And they are, I mean, they didn't deny it, but like, that music was at least good. Mm-hmm. It was good, me, had good, cool lyrics.

Like, I want to be Jackie Onassis. I want to wear a pair of dachshundrum glasses. This is all just, I have the country. And he's just looking, oh, you want your country back. Boo-hoo.

It's like, it just seems like. His voice is cracking. Yeah. All nerdy. Because he knows. He didn't write these things, probably. I mean, it's my guess.

My guess is that's, you know, some, I don't know which intelligence. organization wrote this for him to say yeah it just it's not because no one would think

these things it's just they're so trite they're so but also so it's like they're so provoking of like not hate not hate in the way they're talking about but I hate like I hate this I hate like you want the out you want to focus the outrage

you want people to be mad at things that have nothing to do with the real thing. That's like number one in power. Being in power number one. It's not about making people feel better about what's going on. It's about getting them mad at something slightly adjacent to what's going on. That's such a good

point. It's like, you know, it's like, it's just like it's the idea of like if you were, if you were mad about this bombing and Iran, you would get, you know, you would get people oh, they're actually they're talking about, they might put

they might take over Arby's right I don't know once I get into specifics my mind falls apart Arby's in Iran I don't know you but you help me out maybe is there a better well yeah I mean what's interesting about this to me is that something kind of similar happened yeah not that long ago there was a band I don't I have I've never heard this band I don't even remember their name or what kind of music

they do but like they they got do they don't sell fences they don't sell fences I don't think not yet they're not at that stage of their career yet they haven't really blown up enough to do that sure who has besides villain Dylan Dylan Dylan Dylan this is Bob villain okay okay yeah but they were cut from a festival for saying something like and like something way more innocuous than death to the IDF you know like it was it was like it was I think they literally just said free pass

Palestine or something. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And they got like cut from a from the performance. Yeah. And that seemed more like an organic thing.

Right. And it feels like a weird kind of like variation. Say-up on this. No. Thank you for because honestly, because I know I really, now you say that, I realize that, I realize that like it might have sounded like I was saying that you have to make like some kind of really like insightful, like, you know, anti-war, like, you know, poet, you you know, a ton-tone.

Right. Like, no, I'm not, that's not the bar. But it's just like, you know, but yeah, it's going, hey, free Palestine. It's like, because artists do what they do. Right. You know, typically. You know, a singer knows how to take words and mash them up. You know, look at the cat.

I'm also swinging the bat. You know, like, it's just, you know, they're not really, when you get into that, you know, getting good at music, but also, like, and you pursue any art, you don't really tend to, like, immerse yourself in geopolitics. Right. So no one's really looking, you know, I'm not looking for a geopolitical analysis from Sting. People get mad when you shoot horn it in. But the point is like there's a certain, it's just kind of, you know, when someone's

trite, I don't get like, oh, what are you doing? It's just, there's a certain, it's a, it's more like this just seems like bait. Like I'm being baited. Mm-hmm. Right? Like, like a troll. right you know what I mean yeah for sure yeah

now everybody is talking about this like kind of shitty artist whether or not he should be able to come to the you I obviously think he should be able to come like you know he has the right I do think he is the right to say what he says well here's the thing I was thinking about this because he was to be clear like

he did this song a lot of controversy and then in response the U.S. revoked his visa Right. Well, she wasn't in America. This was in Britain, but he had an active visa in the U.S.

Yeah, like really immediate response. Right. Now, people would argue, even if it was slightly different facts that, like, well, just because he attacked America or a policy, right? You go, oh, you know, you should be able to criticize America and sell up his visa. And, like, I might not agree with that anymore. just because, like, you know, we are starting to look like punks and not this kind of punk.

If you, you know, oh, we're going to kick people out for, you know, disagreeing with us. I'm not saying, he's a visa. You know, he's not a citizen or anything. Or, you know, he's not even a resident. I'm just saying it's like, you know, what other country are you allowed to say, hey, the king of, you know, if you would,

if you said something bad with the king of Thailand, you would be like a mob would form and attack you. Right. Even in Thailand. They love their king. Well, he's the old king. And if you, like, if you, like, if you were talking smack about, you know, like, not every country, obviously, but a lot of, you would not be welcome.

Why do we, we don't have to welcome everyone in open arms. But then I remember, did he didn't say anything about America? Mm-hmm. He's talking about Israel. It seems like a weird over, I get, I get it, there are our ally, but like, has there ever been an ally of any country that was this much of an ally? It just seems a bit, like, a bit, like, is ally the right word? Yeah. I don't know.

It seems like something else. We're not treating Israel like they're our ally. We're treating them like they're our wife. Yeah. You can't talk shit about our wife. Like when a country Congress, they're ally? Like, where's it end? Where's the ally thing end?

Right. Like, you know, I don't know. I mean, I don't think he was even barred from Israel. Maybe he was. Did Israel have a focus visa? To be fair, maybe he didn't apply for one. Yeah. I don't know

It seems like a bit like That would be funny if he tried to play as real after that I mean I wouldn't be surprised at all That's the bet that will probably happen Netanyat will probably you know Have him do a festival there Right And you know

This is this is the way of the world It all seems random And it will never make sense to you And it will only get worse But you know happy 4th July by the way Does I mention I think it did Oh that's right yeah this is uh you mean we're released this tonight you know it's you know on the eve of of our

independence and things are growing great things i think if you know when when they when who signed that document was a lincoln who signed the declaration lincoln and and and fDR i think i think when they signed the declaration and they said this is you know anyone go to the hell uh this is what they envisioned just really just like a a wonderful um i don't know what you call it just like a like a what would you how would you describe america in 2025 hmm messy very messy very very ratchet it is we are kind of getting ratchet yeah and uh yeah look it's no one ever promised you it was going to be good, except for that stupid Statue of Liberty thing.

Oh, give me your poor, you're tired. Even that didn't really promise anything. It was more just like, come here, come to mama. Come here, baby. Maybe you can dye in a shirt in a shirt factory. Fire. I mean, that was also written, wasn't that written in like 1905? You could die a typhus under my armpit.

And come in, you go homestead for us. Well, you can get slaughtered by some Indians, we pissed. off. I'm going to sex traffic you. Hey, you know what? Where are you from? Ireland? Great.

He's what I want you to do. I want you to go out to like Arizona and like set up like some shops out there. And there's these Indians that we like, we kept like promises and stuff and take it away. You know, and then, you know, and so they're pretty mad. But just, you know, just good luck. Oh, your honor. That's great.

Here's a billy club. You're, you're going to sleep in a rat-infested building and you're going to, you know, police. Vote to harmony. You're describing me. Wait, I think you're describing gangs in Europe now. Junkie Riley. And then you're going to steal a body from the morgue and the elements of whatever. Well, they do, they grave rob this.

What do they kill some guys and they rob their graves? What happened in that movie? there's some of injures Honestly I always forget I pretty much always forget every part of that movie No matter how many times I watch it Except for the part where Bill the butcher Yeah

Throws that axe Right the guy That's amazing This boy has no hot What is that accent Like humiliates him verbally But then then throws an axe on him You're a murderous raging you boy

Um I don't think how much better would Bob Villain be If it was Daniel de Lewis as Bill the Butcher screaming whatever he wants honestly that the idea of you know don't you know

something about alpacas that would be honestly that's a great idea for a hype man yeah a hype man who's just Bill the butcher was just did

exactly can you imagine I mean I don't think he would come out for Trump I'm just guessing but can you imagine if Trump brought out Daniel Day Lewis

as Bill the butcher to promote his new I don't know if he's past it yet but the big, what's he called the big beautiful bill? Yeah. It sounds like a porn thing, a porn category.

But, you know, oh, this is a good tact. I mean, I'm doing an Irish accent. This is how a build-up, but sure was. But, you know, get a picture of him up. Just the people who haven't seen gangs in New York. I forget. It's down to the 30-year-old movie.

Not every young person has seen it. Oh, Michael Madsen's dead. I love Michael Madd. I know he had, you might have had a troubled, uh, whatever. But he was Michael Madison was great in a lot of things not he might have been bad on a lot of things too This is this is this is build a butcher Just so people know that's that that that this is the guy who they based and uh Abraham Lincoln on

In that movie uh, uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's just uh do you so what I mean because what if we don't if we allow him to like What what what you think should get your visa taken away I think committing crimes I do think kind of maybe inciting violence against the country or against people in the country Right that could be bad No it's complicated A foreign

A foreign military force Here's the thing I feel like if he said that to the Marines We would put them up in a four-star hotel Right You know we would have been like here here's some Medicaid And you know here's uh you're gonna be thinking at the plaza i know you thought this is like disabused hotels no here's the we're at the plaza you know and uh it's true we love that shit we love we like someone who messes

with us a little bit we love we just love taking it on the chin yeah lately uh yeah so good humored people we really are we really we we we we we we care more about our friends than we do us which i find interesting we're we we're just america that should be america's like new tagline we're just we're the best friend we're just the best friend you could possibly have you know like you go over someone's house and they just spend the whole night like

you know making nachos for everybody and you know and getting everyone's sodas and hopefully you enjoy it oh you're enjoying the game the big game hey anyone want me to order some pizzas that's what America is now I love my friends you know

oh man what uh speaking of just being a good friend Puff Daddy I keep saying Puff Daddy I keep saying Pop Daddy, but that's outdated, right? What does he go by? Sean Cohn.

What's the St. Sean? That's his name, but the Pete Ditty is the more current version, right? Or just Diddy? That's right. He's a good friend of yours, huh? I've never met the man. You're really excited about this. I don't, why are you doing?

I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't know. I mean, what, you accuse me of being a freak-offs? What is this? I mean, I'm not even sure if I should deny. I mean, I haven't, but I mean, like, you know, Do you think it would be good on on actually that's a good question. Yeah. Just given our current situation.

If it came out that you had been at the freakoffs. I mean, like, I'm married to you mean. That you had been. That's what you're referring to. Yeah. That's our situation. Yeah. In our current like, you know, podcasting situation.

Okay. We have our, you know, we have our little corner. Sure. Yeah. But it's. You call it that? Like. It became as I was at the freak.

off. Yeah, that you, that you performed at the freak off. I performed at the freak, where it performed what, like podcasting or comedy or some sort or I performed sex? Freak off duties. Like, like, sex stuff, okay. Yeah, covering yourself in the baby oil. Right.

Getting penetrated. Okay. That kind of thing. Sure. I'd be getting penetrated. So you put me in a women's position. Well, we're in the men degraded too, to some extent. I think some, I think there were some men who, but I don't, yeah.

I'm not sure if they were penetrated, maybe. I didn't read every detail. You tell me, but okay, go on, though. But, you know, all kinds of things. Yeah. Do you think that it would overall hurt us or help us? Well, yeah, I mean. Should we start this rumor, I guess, is what I'm asking.

I look, I don't know that like two years after this came comes out or whatever it is, right, a year and a half. uh to finally to finally try to glom onto it um it might be too late we're always too late to these things these friends i should have i should have come out you were talking about i mean should i've tried to falsely testify in court against like diddy i'm not sure i mean i'm willing to go down this route but what exactly are you saying what do you envision like i i say that i was covered in baby oil and like and pop tarts and made to and trafficked over state lines or just that i was you know, just, you know, hey, I was at that party. It was pretty

fun. This is what I'm imagining. Yeah. I'm imagining you as kind of like a cat, you're kind of counter signaling the other stuff. You're kind of, you're going out and you're going, you know, I was, I did all of the things these women did. I got covered in the baby oil. I got covered in the Pop-Dart

crumbs. But I liked it. But I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was like a a Nathan Fielder thing. Like a big prank show. I I thought I was on punked, but I was like, well, but I get the punk. I get it. So, I mean, I'm, like, you know, even I'm not like part of it, I'm part of it.

I got, when they go, I was, I was so preoccupied with not, like, being surprised when he yelled punk. Remember next thing, country would come out and go, you're pumped. And everyone was like, oh, my God. Yeah. I wanted to be the guy going, I know the whole time. But then, but then I realized that, you know, I was so preoccupied with that, like, I didn't stop being part of the freak off. right right something like that yeah i mean it could be good for the show i don't i don't know if it's a good if the timing's right though we need to find we need to just like investing we need to find situations

like this earlier and lie about them more yeah then um but he's been you know bearing the lead of it he's been acquitted of the major charges that's right he still faces 20 years uh but strong Combs acquitted on top charges but wait sentencing for transporting prostitutes so there's a man act I was reading about this there's a man act and if he

had just paid these people to have sex for money it would have been like a misdemeanor or something you know maybe a year in jail but there's a man acting where you're basically not allowed to arrange a flight or something for

you know I think it tends to be more for pimps and traffickers, which he was accused of, but he was acquitted of that. But somehow he was also charged for just transporting. It seems almost like they anticipated maybe he wouldn't, I don't know. Right. It seems like, wouldn't this be trafficking? Like he's, wouldn't transporting prostitutes be trafficking? Yeah, I would think that it would be.

I mean, I guess it's a separate charge, but it just seems odd. Like, what, what kind, I mean, I guess there is an answer probably of what constitutes he's trafficking. I thought it was just moving people around for the purpose of, you know, whatever this is. I guess if you have a driver, if you have a driver as a prostitute, it wouldn't be fair to charge that guy as like the same way you would charge some pimp. Yeah, he just, he just drove you. Right, it's a good point.

Well, yeah, that's a good point. But I don't, I don't think, I don't think, well, the same way, I don't think a pilot would be charged if he got her, if we got our first class ticket. Like a charge of airline pilot. That'd be hilarious. Like, you're in jail. And, you know, and they were like, oh, what'd you do? Like, oh, I burned down an arcade and everyone's dead.

Oh, it's nasty. You're a nasty guy. What'd you do? She's an airline pilot. I guess there was, I guess did he have some girl in the flight? She was a hooker, huh? She said he drugged her. I mean, I was flying.

I was on a layover to Dallas. It doesn't seem right So no, I agree It's murky, seems murky They tried to make this guy Like he was the Epstein of Of entertainment Maybe he was

I don't know Read some of this, I guess What was it else? Sean Combs, the hip-hop mogul Who crafted a business empire Around his personal brand Was convicted on Wednesday Of transporting prostitutes

To participate in his drug-fueled Sex Marathons But acquitted a racketeer and I mean, he wouldn't be out of breath, you know, just dancing around for two seconds, you know, two minutes. I bet not. People, we used to do cardio in his country. The Combs 55 still faces a potential sentence of as much as 20 years in prison.

He and his lawyers were jubilant after the acquittals on more severe charges and an indictment that accused the fame producer of coercing women into unwanted sex with male prostitutes aided by a team of pliant employees. What is pliant me? Like, like, malleable, like... Yeah, like compliant, right? I mean, I feel like it's just one of those things, you know? Um, yeah, I don't know.

But what struck me, I guess, maybe, because we go, well, yeah, he got lesser charges. But they're not releasing him is why it seems weird, so weird to me. It's not just that they charge it with lesser charges. Maybe they should have put this up front. It's more that like, they're, they're, he, they deny them bail. And I was like, yeah, that's, you know, no, they said. Like, all right, he's a rich guy, I guess. flight risk whatever uh and then after you know these just this verdicts came out the judge

apparently said well i don't see any you know why this changes anything so no more no bail until august i mean he's gonna have like a someone like here remote hearing in like next week or something i'm not team ditty i don't know i'm just it just seems the whole thing just seems uh straight i don't know um i mean he's been accused of very bad things yeah right like i was scolded for, like, being confused about it before. Because, like, you don't know how bad this is? Like, I don't. I mean, but, like, I don't follow court cases well enough.

I really should. I always forget to. Honestly, happened with O.J. It happens to everything. I always forget, like, oh, O.J., wow, that's crazy. The chase. This is crazy. What a wild thing.

And then they got them? Oh, wow, he's going to be a trial? Cool. And then the trial happens. And, like, I don't, and like, and like, for weeks, I just think we're all like, wow, it's a trial. I wonder what's happening. But people are watching it all day.

But the Johnny Depp won. And I'm always like, and like in the day before the verdict comes out, I become aware that like I'm the only one not like, you know, basically ready to jump into the juror. Right. You know, like everyone knows all the facts for me. It just seems like it seems like a weird thing to know everything about. Yeah, I think I saw one video that seemed to show, you know, a woman getting beaten up. But I can't, I can't really say. I don't remember if it was Diddy or if it was somebody else.

I don't mean like Diddy specifically. I mean just a trial because like it's like getting all this knowledge and then go and now 10 people random people are going to vote on it. Like oh, oh, you can't do anything with the info. Yeah. Like unless you were a juror. Right. It just seems enraging.

It's the most, it's the most annoying thing to do. It's just like learning much of facts. And go now 10 people are going to, you know, decide his fate. It's become kind of a new American pastime, too. Like, all of these freaks. The freak off people? No, not the freak off people, but these absolute freaks who want to, like, who actually want to go to celebrity trials like this.

Right. Who want to go and watch them. Well, apparently Kanye got turned away. He tried to, you know, which I honestly, it's like. Well, is he going because he's a friend of ditties or? I never got to, I mean, I, look, it's, I don't want to fall into the trap of like, well, no, they're, they're East Coast. She's one of that crap.

I mean, you know, but I guess Kanye is, he's. He's part of Jay Z's crew and their East Coast. But the point is, like, you know, who know, they're all rich people and I'm not one. They all have much more in common. So, you know, it's like seeing a wrestler and be like, oh, I thought the Undertaker wasn't friends with Paul Kogan. Like, I don't know.

Maybe. I think he just wanted to go because it was a big event and he figured he's Kanye West. But, you know, it's like, look, I get it. He's not making friends, you know, out there with his music. But, I mean, you know, I think, I think Kanye has earned the right to be at a trial. if he wants to He's a big He's a big time celebrity

You can take away his shoe deal But still Well then watch a trial And he's schmuck and watch a trial Seems odd But leave him as dignity Right It's just like

Wait, you want to make another song It's like you know I'm saying Yeah I want my kids back And they're going to Puffy's trail So what is I think that song counts as emo

By the way I think it's part of the emo genre fine it's a bit you know we can't we're not allowed to not we're not not just sing the words uh you know if i was bob villain i could sing whatever i want apparently oh no i guess he's not about there either he's he's getting that guy i mean what you when did he join the friggin c a whatever you think are these people all just partisan like you know like everyone but me get get get get get like you know paid by the government they're like

being agitator i feel like that's the case i feel like i'm being gangstock constantly by facts it's kind of funny to watch the quality of sciop art like go down right yeah we used to like know how to do it in this country even in hindsight it looks like oh like McCarthyism looked like such a hack job and at the time people were whipped up into a frenzy over it and like you know the whole you know and there was some like a whole there was some cool stuff that happened and then bob dillan was out there going like a hurricane oh the cops his brain right whatever You know, it's just, the whole thing just felt like there was something, there was a mythos to America. Like the people who would write this stuff for an artist. Right. Would themselves be, like, versed in, like, the whole history of, like, art and, and poetry and stuff?

Right. Because their dad ran, like, the record industry or whatever. And, like, you know, and they're working at Langley, like, you know, typewriter. And they got to watch this schmuck. We're going to make this guy. This guy makes fences. We're going to turn him into, like, a folk guy. I'm like, oh, all right.

I don't know we're fighting communism. What is this? Oh, man. So, yeah, it's just, it's an interesting, it's an interesting point you make. And now they're all just like, now, now all of the sciop writers are just lazy. Yeah. They're just, no, the quality of like, you know, um, whatever you want to call that, man, you know, the, the, the skill of which they manufacture consent has gone down drastically. yeah um they don't even try anymore i mean it's sort of the iraq war they're just like oh

this yellow cake uranium and all the shit they're like wow this is gonna be well i mean you wouldn't lie i mean we're gonna know in like two weeks when we invade so i mean it's like no one took their word for it person they kind of did eventually because like i guess i guess you wouldn't lie this much and then no one even tried to fake the weapons being i've mentioned you know a few times in recent it's i feel like that bears a little repeating sometimes I don't know that they don't even care They don't even care

They don't even care to fake it And just I mean you know But whatever You know We got big beautiful bill That's nice Yeah No uh

No tax on tips Is that is that actually in it Are you sure You should have sent it And remove that Hopefully What is the thing What is this is this is the

Is this just a budget bill Or is this something specific I know it's a I know there's a lot of stuff in it, but is this part of like the annual budget thing? Or is this? No, but I guess not.

I guess it's like a separate. This is kind of like a tax reform bill. It's like it's cementing in the 27 tax cuts, which I think all went to like five guys. Right. It was like, you know, like five people benefited from that.

Right. And, but now they get, they get the benefits forever. I might, I, we should have an accountant on and just, you know, throw things at them. Definitely. I would love to.

throw things out on accountant um why read the why it matters who what did axiote even come from i mean they've been around for a while now but they seem to come out of nowhere these things always come out of nowhere where does anyone come from why can't i come out of nowhere oh it's just i can't read with yeah it's a massive victory for speaker mike johnson who was able to flip dozens of members who had initially threatened to vote no as well as for Trump and Senate Republicans. The bill passed.

It's a victory because no one wanted this. It's a massive victory because it's actually something that like a lot, almost everyone hated and we did it anyway. I mean, not inexplicable reasons, but like. We just wedged it in there. Yeah. It's like, it's what I'm saying. It's like, where's even like, I mean, I know I'm not like an idiot.

I know like, oh, we want small government is a lie or we want, you know, whatever anyone when we want to cut taxes or do whatever it's always a lie but it just seems like they're burning people are burning their political identities for like one thing and like short-term gains now in a way like where you the way like like like when you wait what's that expression about the titanic what you're burning deck chairs on titanic or whatever rearranging deck chairs on the titanic okay i'm thinking the thing where you take the stuff and you're burning it like you you're taking the things from the train and you're burning into the fuel but like then you know mean it's not like a meme where you take where you're like you're on a train but you're

fuel the coal it's the old trains where you have fire that you feel like it's cold yeah what are those trains steam and you're burning and you're taking pieces of the train and using it the fuel can you help me now can you meet me halfway I have no idea I don't know where you're what you want to meet you is is that really that crazy maybe it is I thought I was being more poetic in my head this podcast is very different So what's going on between the lines? The House floor again came to its standstill overnight while House leaders continued negotiations.

In the end, Fitzpatrick was the only Republican to vote with all Democrats and opposition. This is the media. This is the news about this. And it just seems like it's a procedural story about how, like, how a couple. No one's going like, hey, so here's the deal. Here's what's in the goddamn bill.

Okay, so here's something. The details. The bill makes permanent Trump's 2017 tax cuts and adds additional tax benefits, including eliminating taxes on tips and overtime and giving a temporary tax deduction for all six, for all, for those 65 and older. It makes significant changes to Medicaid, including imposing work requirements and reducing federal cost sharing with states. But I mean, oh, yeah, I saw a guy, um, uh, talking about that part.

he was talking about all these like montana medical facilities that are going to kind of get messed up by it like okay but this is montana just rich people now like 10 cattle for guys would be like oh this isn't cattle what they do it like it's all just bunkers for like you know guys like you know warm buffets isn't it i guess montana might be a bad example but oh oh you know we think it's a bunch of like hobos who like got off the train in Montana, it's like, it's, it's guys who are Palantir and and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know,

squiggle box is actually worse than Palantir. They, they, they're just, they just design, uh, you know, video games that, uh, give you, uh, make you hit your wife. It's like, they, they, squiggle box invents A.R, AR, like, you know, augmented reality glasses that end, like, with these games where you're putting doing boxing, but it's like, uses AI tracking to find your wife. so it leads you to like go in the other room and see you're when and you think your wife's like you know

like you're Muhammad Ali and she's George Foreman and you take it off like oh damn you squiggle box and then anyway the point is that guy the CEO of that company is the mayor of Montana or the governor I wonder if we'll see that as like a murder defense in the future your honor I was in augmented reality

my reality was augmented your honor I mean that is kind of Isn't that there's some sci-fi thing Where that's kind of a thing isn't it Where some guy thinks he's doing one thing But then it turns out you know I was what he says Oh yeah that was a black mirror episode

I think like he was like the pig The pig was good The rest was crap Like hey Black mirror was the best sci-fi show Ever when it was just like a guy calls up The fucking President of England or whatever He's like bang this pig

or a ruin your country. It's like, all right. Yeah, I mean, that show, instead of being sci-fi, that show should have just been like a, just a bunch of, the West Wing. One-off episodes about weird blackmail.

Yeah, honestly, it's in the name. Black Mirror, just called Black Mirror Mail or something. It would have been so much better. It's like, oh, and the new, because you know, they make these big events, right? Like the new season of Stranger Things or what's the one squid game?

Yeah. Black Mirror, season two, see the trailer and it's like, hello, is this Angela Merkel? You better, you better have sex with a gorilla. What?

Yeah. You better. What if I don't? What was even the thing? He was going to do a bomb in Black Mirror? Why did he, why did he do the pig thing? Because they were going to do,

they were going to kill the princess or something. If he didn't. Oh, his daughter? No, he was like the prime minister and he was trying to save the princess. Oh, it's like a royal family thing. Was there even anything futuristic in that episode? I don't think it has to be future. I mean, I think the idea that, like, you know,

because the thing is, like, sometimes there's, sure, it would have been a better sci-fi thing if, like, you know, he was using, it was like that movie Lawmower Man where they have sex in VR. Yeah. He was doing that. Yeah, that would have been more, like, more matrixy, I guess.

But, I mean, I think the idea that people were, you know, that's something new, that there would live stream pigs and the president. you know I mean like it's yeah it's like not I hear what you're saying but not well sci-fi has to have like laser guns you know sometimes you can just be banging a pig um but we're we're we're we're how do we get into that it seems more like metaphorical than science fiction no I agree I mean to be fair it's not

called I mean is it like black mirror just sci-fi show we call it sci-fi show we call it sci-fi. Someone watched a guy banging a pig and said, this is sci-fi. I don't think, I mean, I don't think they, it's not you know, I would, I mean, if I was a guy from Black Mirror, I'd be like, well, you guys call it, I thought it was, I, I call it romance.

It's romantic fiction. Is that category, romantic fiction? Yeah. Magical realism? It's magical, it's magical realism. Right. That, you know, it's like, it's like, who's that guy, Gabriel Garcia-Marquez?

Well, that magical realism Would be more like if if you went to fuck the pig Yeah To save the princess And the pig had wings And the pig had wings And like it could talk Right

But like it didn't really change anything Like it just kind of made it depressing More depressing Because the pig wasn't really into it either Pigs like Crazy right That's some crazy shit And then it flies away

Imagine that pig In that case the pig talks You mean like I don't want to do this either But what am I'm going to be like come out and be like I want the princess to die no one no one's gonna like me then you know to be the guy the guy who wouldn't you know this is just this don't wait it's a cobiash and rue oh man um anyway what was this bill do i get any money now or soon also like wait they

they're gonna put medicaid's gonna have like a thing where you have to work i guess which sounds nice, but I mean, like, are they going to let people work? Are they going to, like, you know, I want, you know, AI on one hand and you got, you know, and basically, you know, if you're born here, you're not allowed to have a job. Um, so what is the deal?

Like, hey, well, you, you, you, you can't, you can't, we won't remove your goiter unless you, uh, you know, unless you do some landscaping. But yeah, they won't let me do it. You know, I'm, uh, it's like, you know, well, we're out of luck. I mean, I guess, I mean, I mean, can I get a job of the strawberry picker?

Like actually Just to like as a demonstrate I'll do this and I just collapsed this in first day I'm the best person for this I guess Americans won't do these jobs I'll do them yeah I don't want to but to make it to Maybe I could be like the who's that guy

With the with the with the steam engine Oh hit John Henry I'll be like John Henry The iron the steel man right it's like john henry but like instead of working hard to beat the machine

like you're actually just like resentfully being much slower you're just taking time ow ow ow wait strawberries have thorns I don't think they do and you're like no what you're talking

about like it hurts it hurts uh everyone's very me included we're all very confused because I'm getting my hands hurt. Can I have some soda? Yeah. I got paid for the Diet Coke?

No, no, we're kidding, but I would actually be dope at that job. Yeah. I'm not going to play this game. No, you're a very hard worker. I would be a great struggle. I'm not going to actually play into this. This is admit they want you to tell. Right.

Oh, Americans would be so bad at it. We do it's fine. We throw our lives away from nothing. Also, I think Americans should be able to have, like, leisure lead jobs picking strawberries. Well, I think you should be paid well. I think you should get it paid well, and you should be able to take a nap in the middle of the day.

Well, you, apparently, like, in, like, the middle ages, everyone took naps. Like, the whole siesta thing wasn't just Spanish. Now, can you believe anything you see on YouTube history shows? I don't know. Probably, maybe not. But, like, you know, but that's what they said. One of these weird shows was like, you know,

actually, they, even though the, you think siester's only Spanish, well, it was a Spanish word, right? Anyway, everyone did it Even England What was the English word for it? I don't know They tell you that everyone basically

Until clocks were invented The thing I was watching I forget, you know, I would link it But I don't remember what it is You, you Here's some sci-fi for you Going forward Your knowledge of history

And the world Will just be a patchwork Of barely remembered factories You picked up On random videos on YouTube And that's not fundamentally that different from what we had before, except that like, there is no barrier, which is just an interesting, I have a feeling how it will turn out, not well, but I mean, we don't, we just don't, you know, that particular aspect of it.

You know, there's plenty of people who just made, I was watching some guy with some video where he's like, you know, money's actually based on blood feuds, not like, you know, barter and it was just like it was like eight minutes of just the dumbest slop I ever heard in my life I mean and like it's just he's in like it's got a college branding we will should we find it? Look that up on YouTube I don't want to time for this we should do it

I don't want to do the thing where you go there's time for the Patreon or watching the paper but maybe we will all right maybe that's what I got to do I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm I'm pitching don't look mad at me i'm not no i'm not mad i'm saying me i understand on the pa we'll do it on the patreon this week we'll talk about this blood feud thing yeah that's tea i'm why can't i just tease things that's just be a little teases little teases hey maybe maybe maybe a little love we'll talk about the bloodfuge on the patreon dot com what's wrong with that you know i'm too self-conscious sometimes i for men who has integrity about meaningless things i have two i i i have the

worst integrity it's just it's just it's just confusing um michael mad what is your let's give a let's take a few minutes talk about michael madson yeah the great michael mattson and i just i mean i just found that right before the show that he died i don't know what he died of i mean i you loved him you should have in reservoir dogs you're gonna bite wait you just gonna i forget the order you're gonna bark a little doggy you're gonna bite I've butchered it so badly But also he cuts the guy's ear off He's great in that movie

He's great, Kill Bill Volume 2 He's absolutely wonderful in I think it's an underrated performance Him and Kill Bill 2 I loved him in Kill Bill too He's so weird He's such a complaic Like I feel like he's

That might be one of my favorite characters Of all time He's just like Weirdly he seems like Almost he's out of the game a little bit And he's apathetic And he's just kind of like, hey, I'm going to, you're going to come after me. I'm, you know, I'll shoot you a rock soul.

But then he's like, now I'm going to bury you alive. And it's like, oh, it's took a turn. Yeah. Like, you're actually like, he's a terrible sadist. Right. And then he, and then he, you know, and like, but there's just like a thing we told him to his brother. And he's like, I hacked your sword. You're weirdo.

That guy is the guy, the guy played his brother. He did the whole hang yourself. Is that ever real? Does that ever really happen? Is that always murder? That one erronic thing. like a covered up murder I feel like it's always a covered up murder

I'm just guessing I think he was in there was conspiracies that he was in trouble with like Asian mafias of some sort I forget which ones I don't know if it's any you know how much veracity there is but that feels like something people are just taking

from kill Bill though no there was some I think he didn't have a great like last 10 years of his life like kill bill kill bill it was all downhill from there i think he just uh and also uphill from there wasn't great either he was on he was on that show back in the 70s and then whatever point is michael madsen phenomenal on that what else was he good i never sort of species but he was you know he's in that movie am i missing look up back i i was going to try and like you know and flex and not use i am db to talk about this guy but i realize

i only know two movies oh he was oh he was in war games He played one of the nuclear missile operators In the beginning of war games Right Am I missing anything big Talking points He was in this crazy sexy movie Once called boarding pass

Really? What's it about? It's about people banging and A boarding pass is what you get on an airplane boarding gate So wait So the gate All right so to be clear just so I know

when you got on an airplane the gate is just the area where you sit and wait and wait to go through the and so like that's boarding gate I just wouldn't think that would be like a sexy idea

and like and we're looking at the I am the Wikipedia page and like the woman's you know dressed all sexy with a gun that's Asia agenda right there oh that what's their names Anthony Bourdain's

oh well that speaking of suicide that turns out of me I don't know. She famously, she, you know, whatever. She's in a lingerie. Now, she's supposed to be waiting at the Delta,

like, terminal to get on a flight to Dallas. Like, that's the thing. Like, why is it a, you saw this movie, apparently. I did, but I don't remember it super well. I just remember it being very erotic and dark. Were they hanging out in the boarding gate? No. It doesn't all take place at a boarding gate.

There's anything about, like, what, but they name the movie boarding gate. Like, why is it boarding gate? I'm very curious. It's such a strange thing to call your movie. It's like, it's like naming your movie janitor's closet. And it's a sexual thriller. It's like, well, are they banging in the janitor's closet? Like, what?

Like, what is the, I mean, I guess let's look at the plot, I guess. I saw this is directed by Oliver Assayas, but I thought there's Oliver Anthony at first. Uh, it's hilarious if Oliver Anthony directed this. Um, it's about the sophisticated power plays between a debt-ridden underworld entrepreneur. Scroll down to like the plot. Okay. Because I need to know why it's called a boarding game.

They might not mention it in like the, when they talk about the themes. What are the themes of the film? Boarding gates? That's not, yeah, but I won't say that. But like there's a plot. Why is, after discussing his plane, his plans for retiring by selling on the, selling, Wait, hold on a second, I'm sorry. I'm, I'm handicapped.

After discussing his plans for retiring by selling on the shares in his security company to his debtors with his partner. Wait, so he's selling, this sentence is crazy. I mean, it's one thing for a movie to make no sense. How is there Wikipedia this bad? I mean, if you're selling your share, if you give, I don't know if you can sell your shares to your debtors, but that's not retiring plans. What's your retirement plan? Oh, I plan to like pay off my debtors with the stock. of my company doesn't sound like a 401k to me right whatever Andre aging

underworld entrepreneur is paid a surprise visit as Paris office by aggressive underworld mall Sondra I mean can we just skim a little bit this bouts isn't working help me out here skim down and where do they mention a boarding gate I gotta know I think it might end at the boarding gate oh let's see let's go on to the end. This is a plot. What is this? Citizen Kane this movie?

The car park, right, so possibly a payment in Miles Murray, which is sure, I'm sorry, spoiltless, by the way. Was, which assured his shares not passed to his unscrupulous creditors. He doesn't sound very scrupulous himself. Sondra follows Lester down to the doorway of the car park where he hesitates

to the threshold. This is so I mean, it's like naming a movie like, you know, Leprofen festival and it's just about like it's about the oh wait financial crisis like what you and you've seen this movie and you refuse to help me understand this well I just I only remember this one kind of like sexy scene I don't really remember what was that scene where did that happen that was happening in some kind of the you know penthouse apartment this is a fever dream right now we are we are we are broadcasting a fever dream

the 4th of July present to our listeners Enjoy it, please. But anyway, RIP, Michael Madsen, you were a great actor. Can we go back to that one page? I want, was there really nothing else besides Borden Gate that we can mention? I do enjoy, I know he had some drug issues, maybe, I don't want to bring that up, and maybe violence issues, I forget, I don't know, you know, but I feel he deserves more than just those two.

I mean, do any other movies? Just bring, like, about, yeah, this page. God, it's just so many movies and none of those. seem to be um vice crock last hour i mean we should someday do a dive on like the the strange economy of like what seemed like unwatchable films i mean he's in all these movies and like i mean there's a got to be like overall i mean 120 movies and i understand like when you here's the thing you understand and we'll wrap this up in a second his speech he's right there see yeah Oh, he's in free willy, too.

That's nice. I can't believe he's not in any other big movies. So serial killer. Serial killer. It looks like from a distance, you would think it was a Lawrence of the Lamb sequel. Right. But, I mean, there was just a level of like,

I mean, I guess there's Red Box movie. People would bring them from Red Box. It's just how much of, I'm all for capitalism. I mean, because it's the alternative. What are you going to get? What am I going to do? cure my cancer but uh you know get treatment but uh it just seems like there's so much um like i don't what you call this bloat or grime it's just just kind of like unintended these

michael baffin's career is like the unintended consequences of of of of the entertainment industry these movies right you know am i wrong am i mean i mean do you do you not see what i mean yeah like they're all like kind of it's a lot of it's like an assortment of straight to video stuff I know a lot I mean I'm not the biggest film expert ever but I know a lot of I've been heard of almost any of these movies

oh he there we go now we can wrap it up I can get Donnie Brasco he was sunny black there we go I want you to take a I want you to run the king's court for me that's the line I pick I do like I do like I do

like how it's like where he's like oh that guy was trying to remember the other the FBI guy whatever like recognizes Johnny Depp

yeah and he's like he punches him and like that's sick pricks trying to touch my cock and Michael Bass

is like anyway Don't yeah I want you run don't don't don't screw this hotel off

whatever he's doing he didn't care that he just beat the shit of that guy he was so good in that movie oh man this is this

imagine if this was Cisco and Iber back in the day just nonsense just scream just trying you were trying impressions of the actors and just like butchering every line whatever but r i p i hope he enjoyed

his uh his turn on the carousel that is life in america all right p i hope it's true to all of you as we you know we enjoy the fourth july we eat hamburgers and i mean we look at and we look at lightning bugs and fireworks remember the lightning bugs are back I lose look you in the

we got used earlier in the show but in the comments seriously in the comments because we had

we had a little argument or whatever I mean sort of fistfighting each other but we were

we were saying how like lightning bugs we saw a couple on the way home and you were like oh they're back

and I was like where you mean they're back where they go you are in the impression and may be totally true

that they were gone for years I just didn't see them for years so like shout out We're in New York.

I'm not going to give you our address, but yeah, we're in New York. In New York City specifically. If you're in New York City specifically, have you seen lighting bugs around over the last few years? In general, but also with a focus on that. Like, tell us, even if you're in Alabama, because I'd like to know. But, you know, but just in a frame of reference, maybe, you know, whatever. Because, like, in rural places, I think you'll see them more because, like, you know, they're not getting, they're not getting splattered. We're not hanging out in marshes and prairies and, you know,

and we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not swimming in the watering hole every day anymore. We're not living our Tom Sawyer life as like we used to. Yeah. So that might be, that might be, but shout out in the comments. I really want to know about this, about these lightning bugs. What's your experience? Am I wrong? You know, let's get to the bottom of this.

And enjoy your country, while we still have it. Things might not be great. Then get a lot worse. Happy Fourth of July. See you all next week.