Kump - Ep. 222 Endgame of Epstein

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

The Wall Street Journal reports that Donald Trump was personally informed in May that his name appears in the Epstein files. Ray and Lucy unpack the story, explore the suspiciously timed MLK assassination file dump, and debate which dead historical figures could’ve ended up on the island.Also in this episode:– Bill & Hillary subpoenaed over Ghislaine– Obama fires back at Trump’s “coup” accusation– Vatican silence theory– Ozzy Osbourne RIP– “Guilty Pig of the Week”– A philosophical showdown: Socrates vs EpsteinSupport the show and get bonus episodes every week:🎧 https://patreon.com/raykump

Welcome to Kump. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Donald Trump was told in May that his name was among many names in the Epstein Files. And I believe his name showed up multiple times, which makes it all... Multiple times. I believe it was... What Justice Department officials reviewed when Attorney General Pam Bonnie called a truckload of that... I mean, a truckload. We keep getting these things.

They had a truck on the documents, but then the binders, and the binders basically said, like, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was a financier in New York or something. Yeah, no, I don't want the truck. Just, they just sort it all out. But wasn't there was a binder just like a trapper keeper, and there was like a folder and had like a picture of just laying on it, right? And it's just like, just laying, Jeffrey's friend, you know, like May, Bondi and her deputy informed the president of a meeting at the meeting in the White House that his name was in the Epstein files. many other high-profile figures were also named. I believe, yeah,

I don't know if it's multiple times. I'll be either a grand jury per, you know, in front of Congress three days. Wait, why do you get multiple times? I don't know. There's a lot of news. It's hard to keep track,

Senator, congressman, but I'm pretty sure, but either whether, look, I can guarantee one thing. My name's in those files in zero times. So I'm fine.

That's what I love about you. Thank you. You ain't got to, find my name. I mean, if you do, oh, my, I mean, that's, that, there really is. No. And there's no bottom to this. Like, the whole country, I'd be honestly, the smartest thing to do for Trump would have been, like, just put the, like, get the census and just put that in the thing. So everyone's guilty. You know? That would have been the real dead man switch. Like, he just, just, just write a little program. You get the census data. You put every, I mean, honestly,

that would be trivial for a computer of today's power. It's true. You'd take all. but there's millions of names. Cair, it's a computer. It's a fast computer. They can do that. It's interesting to, what is, what is the deeper text of this news story?

Let's just go a little bit, the official said it was routine, the official said it was routine briefing that covered a number of topics and that Trump's appearance in the documents wasn't the focus. So this is just an aside? It is just like, look, I mean, so, yeah, we arrested some guys, a cat burglar, and then your name showed up in the F.C. files.

And we were thinking of repainting some of the courts, blue. That's nice, right? Blue courts? I mean, what is? I mean, this is the second most important news of the day. Didn't they also report today that, like, they renamed the Opera House of the Kennedy Center after. Melania? Why is that not part of this

report? They told the president... They should. Beautiful woman. She's fine. It's not my type. But, you know, not...

She's an opera singer, eh? Is she? No, I don't think so. That'd be amazing. They really were buried the lead with that. They told the president the meaning that the files contained

what officials felt were unverified hearsay about many people, including Trump, who had socialized with Epstein in the past. Some of the officials said. One of the officials familiar with the documents said they contain hundreds of other names. I mean, you know, there's a investigation of the offender became of materials contained. It's a bit of very rocky road, I guess you'd say, with this whole Epstein thing.

I hate to keep bringing it up, but they keep every week, they keep bringing juicy things that, like, you know, I don't want to call it. You know, really, like, this is like, I mean, this would be the end of. any other president, wouldn't it? I mean, this is so much worse than Wargay. Warrogate, like, they broke, even if you take Wardgate as a scope, as a larger scope, right?

It's not just that they inexplicably broke into the DNC headquarters in 72, you know, which is like, why would they do that? But the plumbers and like breaking into Ellsberg to intimidate him. Right. It's like, a psychiatrist office or whatever because the Pentagon Papers, like, all that stuff. It's all, I mean,

yeah, Pentagon Papers are a big deal, but this seems worse. This seems worse than the Pentagon Papers. This seems worse than the Panama papers. What, you thought we weren't bombing people? Oh, like, Pentagon Papers is like, oh, we're bombing more people than we thought. Oh, like, no one, it's like, oh,

Nixon actually didn't think we had a good chance of winning the war. Well, you wanted to believe that. That's different than this. This seems like the worst thing. Yeah, also, like, how much of the Pentagon Papers was just like, like, historical context? Wasn't a lot of it just

being like the French did this and then you know I don't know I think it was a lot of documents I don't think it was in Encyclopedia Britannica it just ripped out of a bunch of a world book based on the world book It's likeopedia Maybe I went too far

I'm not trying to demean the Pentagon Papers You really are just You're dogging it You're talking the Pentagon Papers Lucy ain't having it Pentagon Papers But this seems more personally incriminating than any of that stuff

Unless Yeah Is there a chance that Donald Trump you know, he talks a lot of shit. Yeah. Like, is there a chance that he's in there multiple times? Because he's complaining about, you know, the island. He's complaining about, like, why does he own it?

What do you be complaining about? When would he be complaining? At what, in what time, like, what are you saying? I mean, anything, anything as noble as, as they're complaining about the abuse of children. Does this kind of thing what you... She has as self-absorbed. is like... Are you picturing like the...

Maybe just didn't like the service. Are you picturing like that scene in space balls, you know, the Star Wars spoof, where like they were actually like watching the movie in the movie. Like, well, I'm actually in the doc. I'm only in the papers because I was actually, you know, being briefed on it. And that's why it's the brief I was getting was actually in...

It seems very circular. I mean, I think it has more to do with his strange little documents. Right. He's little drawings. we're sending love letters as referee epstein or whatever I mean they reported over the weekend and their friendship was bigger

it does seem odd it does seem odd that the news is all of a sudden has all these bombshells like where were you guys during you like wouldn't this be pertinent during an election well that's almost enough to make you think

like it's not that it's real you know like if it were if this was stuff was more phony they might be coming out during Why can they all of a sudden do their job now? Like, or if it's not, if it's not that, then what, who's, who's leaking it then? I mean, it doesn't mean it's not true. That's a thing.

They go, well, they're leaking it because it isn't that. Yeah, maybe, but I mean, it's pretty bad. This is true? That should really be the issue. Is it true? I mean. The most shocking thing about this to me is that Donald Trump has a friend like that. I don't, I don't think, I don't think of him as a guy who would really have close friendships.

Oh, yeah. You know, I think of him as somebody who has entanglements. Right. Well, you, I think that's corrupt entanglements. I think there's a lot of years that, you know, I kind of think for. Like, he's, I think, you know, there was he, when he was younger, he was building buildings. What are you saying? They were in the babysitters club together or something?

Yeah, maybe, maybe they babysit. Well, I hope not. Let's hope not. That would be a real breach of security in the babysitters club. I mean, that's this goes all the way of the time. top sidebar real quick you know if while you're here why not subscribe to the show you'll love it we all love the show and if you're always subscribed you know clicking the notification bell because they don't they don't just tell you you know you think they're going to tell you

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very incriminating. You could almost look like, well, like, you know, who's leaking this and why? It does seem odd the the fact that Trump, I mean, do we have the thing about the Obama thing? Yeah, so Obama breaks silence on

Trump's outrageous call the product. Right, because earlier this week, Trump basically decided he was going to prosecute Barack Obama over election fraud, which Huh. Seems odd.

And what in 26? I believe in the window between the, like when he won the election and the Trump and when he took office. In that window. I look, it just seems a little late in the game, but I don't know if they, you know, maybe whoever's leaking these, these truck, maybe when they brought the truckload of documents, they, you know, from the Trump's name a thousand times. there was also this uh he found a memo he's like you know he's like oh you find oh did you find something that exonerates us no no no but uh look uh obama he uh he said russia once i mean look i don't trust obama um i know you you do i mean i don't want to speak for lucy do i do i trust it i don't know if i don't trust i don't really trust any of these people i think it's part of the deep dirty

state but right yeah the dirty deep state uh uh i I think him and Michelle probably, you know, they get dirty, they get, they get assets. Where's that, where's that, where's that chef, chef's kiss, you know, but, uh, he's been taken to the proverbial, like, dark room. Sure. And, and shown what happens. Is that he said, but you step out of line? Is that because he's black?

And so, I don't want to accuse anything here. No, I don't think it's, it's, it's, it's, you being like the, with the smoking men, right? The men with the smoke, the, mom was to smoke cigars and the, the back. And they pulled it up and they say this is going inside of you. Is it how big? Have you sell out Epstein? Oh, wow. Yeah.

If you sell us out. Yeah. Well, he didn't, apparently. I mean, everything was fine. He can say with a good conscience to those people that everything was fine when I left. Right. I don't know what happened. None of this stuff was in the news.

Yeah. Barack Obama has broken in silence on calls from Donald Trump for him to be prosecuted by unequivocably, whatever, I said it wrong, rejecting. rejecting his successor's accusations that he tried to engineer a coup following Trump's 2016 election victory by manufacturing evidence of Russian interference.

Obama took the office of the unusual step of impeachment and emphatic reputation. That looks bad. I don't think Obama probably did it, but that does look bad. I'm an honest broker here. You think maybe you know, you think emphatic means guilty? I just think, I mean, did they say

emphatic reputation? I don't like, the Trump told reporters that his predecessor had tried to lead a coup against him. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean... Emphatic is the kind of thing that, like, a guilty person says. It's not in quotes. I'm not emphatically deny.

This is a bit of the problem with the quote, unquote, fake news. You know, they say infatication. When I hear that, I hear Obama going, I emphatically refuse. Refute. This is terrible impression. Not thanking. I respect whatever I mean look it's obviously you'd have to be a dumb book yeah sure put him in jail

you'd have to be really dumb to make the case that like no it's just a coincidence right like his whole thing's going down we know the timing this is the worst time to do it I mean unless this is like unless it's just like I know I'm because here's the thing with Trump I alluded to it before when I was talking about Pentagon Papers or whatever the hell that tirade was about. But the idea that like any other president probably would have resigned or be resigning right now. And maybe he is. Maybe he's in the Oval Office, you know, with a quill and an ink reservoir, right? And he's writing out, he's drafting a resignation letter because he brought shame to the country.

by the mere, you know, hint of impropriety. And he's going to, you know, uh, what Nixon say? I'm going to slink back into the shadows. You didn't say that? No. Like a vampire, never see me again. You know, you try to kick Richard Nixon again. I'll kill you.

Don't you ever kick me? Imagine thinking you on Richard Nixon to kick around. If he said, that was about when he looked, when they, I guess when they lost, he lost against Kennedy. you want to have Nixon to kick around anymore What a pathetic Worm thing to say Like if you

You're trying to kick me Do you have my implication Other men are kicking him and he's allowing it Yeah Well Nick's to kick around Look you can talk like you want But that means you kick me I'll kill you

I'm gonna talk to the CIA Don't you dare kick me He won't be able to humiliate me And make a freak out of me Yeah You know kick my ass What are you gonna do now? Fucking

I'll I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll show you about, this dog checkers, look at him, it's great. Yeah, you won't have the ability, you won't have the ability to call me a rat and spit on me anymore. And then what will you do? Look at my little pig dick, laugh at it, go pig dick, pig dick. Anyway, but no, I don't think Trump is doing that. But, you know, but he could be. But, I mean, so my point is, um, I don't, what is my goddamn point?

No, but he's not, I don't think he's drafting a resignation letter. No, I don't think so. So what is, my point is what, what does happen next, right? Like, what is the move? What, like, do we just kind of, like, does anything happen? Do we move on? Because I was going to say, if it was that, that you could see the Obama thing is like, well, let me get, look, I'm leaving. And I ain't going to be as noble as tricky dick, right?

I'm going to take a few people down with me. And one of them's Obama, maybe I'll get Bill Clinton. talking that in the second, right? Yeah. Like that you bring that up. Because now it makes this bigger, too, the whole thing. Whatever. Whatever.

Yeah. So in a scandal that has been largely lost. No, the Clinton thing. Oh, wait a, oh, there's a video. Okay. Because no, no, no, the, the the, the, the, uh, yeah, house panel here votes to subpoena bill and Hillary Clinton over possible links to just lane Maxwell

that was a separate thing I think or connected right but the point is so this is I mean so the House voted to do this right I guess so yeah we go back go back up the House I thought the House got suspended yesterday

because Mike not Mike Joe Mike Johnson Mike Johnson like didn't want people voting to get people to release the documents yeah this whole thing is so screwy and changes from moment to moment. But the other House's panel votes the peanut bill and Hillary Clinton,

how about the opinion of the president? Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm curious about what the end goal is with us now, because if the president is blocking it, like how do you even effectively

blocking what? I guess the idea is like we can still kind of like we can still go after Democrats who are on the list. Yeah. Those are the rules now. So that's just try to get Bill and Hillary. It seems like the wrong time to make a big deal by Epstein.

Even if like, look, you're right. There is something to the Epstein thing. By this Bill Clinton, we've found your name. Like, wow. You don't know what, what's in the name? Is that famous speech? Is there details here about this? What have we got here?

House Oversight Panel subcommittee voted to subpoena Bill and Hillary Clinton Wednesday over their alleged ties to notorious file, Jeffrey Epstein's convicted accomplice, Jisleine Maxwell. Representative Scott Perry introduced the motion for subpoenas during a federal law enforcement subcommittee hearing. Yeah, I mean, it just seems, apparently, and apparently, Willinsky, Willinsky, whatever name was, I don't know. The whole thing's very, I mean, what would you, what would, if you were, if you were, if you were, it. the chief of staff, what would you tell Trump to do? I mean, honestly, this isn't a bad strategy. Just like it just, it just go aggressively after the political enemies who are on it. Right. Suppress the rest of this stuff.

Yeah. Deny, deny everything else. Respectfully, I think you'd be toast. I don't think it's a good strategy. What do you think is a good strategy? Yeah. I'll tell you. You want to hear it?

bomb Iceland You're always trying to get Like distracting bomb at the feeling But it worked for Clinton Clinton was a good politician You know people were like hey Rolensky Like when she was like And he's like ah Operation Desert Fox

He's I'm the Desert Fox What's it called Desert Fox Wait wasn't it Romo the Desert Fox Was it way Look up Operation Desert Fox Am I wrong here? Well Desert Fox was the nickname of what

of wasn't it like just look up operation Desert Fox I believe that's what they called the operation yeah that's the they called the operation Desert Fox but is that also that that was when they bombed Iraq before you know in between the Gulf War and the

Iraq War there was a 1998 bombing of Iraq to this basically distract from the Lewinsky testimony and it's interesting they named it after you know Rommel the desert fox the uh nazi tank commander right yeah yeah that's what i said him before it never occurred to me before but that was interesting so you know uh bill clinton had a great sense of humor too

it's um but you know he look they people know how to put you know you don't change the subject by just going like hey did you cheat on your wife well that guy she that guy actually on his wife what Like, you know what I mean? Like, you can't just accuse. But the thing is, like, if you, if you give a little bit of air. Yeah. And you use it to go after your political enemies, then it's kind of like, there are at least some people who will be loyal enough to you or just stupid enough

that they'll be like, oh, he's taking it seriously. They're doing something about it, you know. Maybe. Release the files. But also. I think it begs the question. Why are you in the files so much? Yeah, it begs a.

question. Oh, so we also want us to do the files. Yeah. Like, you're just getting this diehard. Everyone who was, like, on the fence before, like, ah, look, I, maybe he did it. If I care about it, the immigration thing more. And I want, I want to do that. I want to deport people. But then it's like, oh, we'll get Clinton. Yeah, get Clinton. Yeah, get Clinton.

Release those files, you know? Look, of course, none of this is going well. I'm saying, this is what I'm saying, but you're like, this is why I don't think it's a good idea to just, like, try to accuse someone else of the crime you did, because that's going to just get more people investigating it. You need to bomb Iceland. People are going to be asking a lot of questions.

Why Iceland, right? Yeah. That's number one. A lot of people, not me, a lot of people go, what is Iceland? Do you mean Greenland? You were talking about Greenland before. Do you mean Greenland? Good question.

No, it's different country. Kind of weird, though, right? People confuse them both because Greenland's actually got more ice and Iceland's got more green or vice versa, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, wasn't that, wasn't annexing Greenland of an idea at one point? point. He was floating. Right. He was trying to conquer Greenland. Yeah. Look, I imagine part of the process would be bombing it. You don't usually annex something

without bombing any of it or marching troops into it. The thing is, nothing's really going well. Are you afraid if you agree with me that we're going to actually bomb there will be no blood on either of our hands. You can just, you can agree that's a good pivot. No one's going to call you the butcher

of Rukovic. And Lucy, who was complicit in her husband tirades against iceland i mean i will i won't wait until the but for the bombing to start if any kind of rhetoric comes out where like you know we're going hey

they shouldn't have hosted they cheated and bobby fisher that whole remember he played uh against spaskey i think he won there though so why we bombed them over it still he doesn't know that i'm just saying if anything comes out i will i will try to

you know i'll try to put the genie back in the bow i'm not trying to Iceland bombed. I'm just saying it's a it's a way of thinking. True. Um, yeah, the problem is none of these projects are going very well. No. Which ones? They promised to deport a bunch of people. They haven't really deported that many people. I think Obama did more. Yeah. Um, too, yeah. And, you know, they, they, they were talking about a nexing Greenland. Right. No progress over there. That didn't seem as fully fledged. Yeah. That didn't seem as. Yeah. That didn't seem as fleshed out.

He didn't get the big, beautiful bill passed. God knows what that is. That's true. Maybe there's a bill. Maybe, look, this might be like usual suspects. Like, you know, like one of those reveals. Whereas, like, oh, but I, like, like, like, a Robert Moses thing. Oh, you think you got me cornered?

Well, he's doing all this, right? So everyone kind of beats themselves up, right? Everyone kind of punches, punches themselves out. Yeah. And he goes, hey, you know, oh, we, oh, we think you're in the files. Oh, and he's doing, he's doing a rope. he might be saying this, I don't take this as me, like, giving him really credit for anything.

I don't like this. I'm not support. But you have to say it's on YouTube now. I don't support this. But Trump might be doing a rope-a-dope. He might be doing a rope-a-dope, and here's what I'm saying. I don't know if he's got the savvy for it. But he might be going, oh, my name's not in there. Oh, investigate, you know, Bill Clinton. Investigate Obama. Do all this.

I look so guilty. And, you know, and just doing all this stuff, and at the last moment, maybe he put buried in that bill somewhere. just the way Robert Moses used to do some kind of clause that makes him innocent of the Epstein thing. That makes like that legal. Oh, that'd be bad.

Only for the president. You know? I'm just saying that would at least make it explicable instead of being inexplicable. That's true. I'm not saying it happened. You're not putting it over at all. You don't like this like theory.

You don't think he has the savvy to change the laws and then... I mean, look, I don't know if that was really his M.O. ever. Yeah. You know, I feel like he would actually get caught up. He would, he would actually get tangled up in the law a lot. Right.

You know, he would talk a big game and then like, and then, you know, some of his stuff did like pan out. Remember how like Kevin Spacey, remember Kevin Spacey's hands straightened out? He's lighting a cigarette. He's like, oh, I'm not crippled anymore. It's like that. Yeah. And like that, he's gone.

I mean, wouldn't that be, look, it would be horrendousy. It would be horrendous. It would be like the worst thing has ever happened. It would be like the devil moment, right? Right. But it would be kind of, at least it would be kind of a spectacle.

Because right now, we've been trying to dealing with a lot of incompetence. You know? I mean, Obama, I don't know if we really, I don't know if the cars for kids things he did where the cars were Castro clunkers

really worked out. That wasn't great. I mean, and a lot of drone strikes and a bunch of other stuff. Then, you know, Trump didn't have a great go around the first time. You know, they make things look polished.

And then Biden couldn't talk. And he was brain dead. And some was running around Europe trying to like cock people up for money for crack and whatever. Get the big guy some crack. And then, you know, and now we've got this good, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this point kind of like, at least, you know what they're doing a little bit. At least someone knows what they're doing. But you would find that comforting. I mean, we're dealing in a reality of separate kinds of comfort.

It wouldn't make me feel good. You just really want to trust Donald Trump. No, I'm, I'm, I, look, I don't want, I just want to the president's not a raving psychopath. I don't really care. I'm fine, I'm fine, though, when he is. I'm just saying it would be comforting on some level. I mean, you know, you're just happy. It's kind of like, honestly, it reminds me a little bit of like, like, you're, you're doing almost like a, like, you know, we make fun of this sometimes, but like Scott, you know, Scott Adams and the 4D trass thing, he's playing 40 trance.

Wait, look at the Diver guy? Yeah. No, I'm not saying that. I mean, obviously this is a play. Well, Scott Adams is a brilliant guy. I mean, it's, it wouldn't be a wrong thing, too. I don't think he's a brilliant guy. I think Dillbert was all right.

dog bird was like fine like it's a cute design but he has a brilliant approach to art okay he's leaning on the fuck the Vinci whatever Dilbert he has cancer you know did you hear he had cancer that no I didn't hear that

I'm not I'm not on his live chat I'm on his link uh what you call it live journal I hope he gets better yeah I hope it gets better I don't wish cancer on anyone Scott Adams is inspiring to me I gotta say

Wait, so you're doing the last 10 minutes calling me an idiot selling me out and put me out, hang me out of the dry and you go, and you're like, you sound like Scott Adams and now you're like, oh, I love Scott Adams? What is this? What is this?

You're doing a rope-a-dope or loop-de-loup or some shit. Anyway. Anyway, there's a lot, there's a lot going on here. It's hard to sort through because there's it's distractions upon distractions you know that at the MLK they were well yeah I mean that's the other thing that happened this week well yeah so this is the other this is the other thing that happened this week we have uh before he went for the Obama he tried to flow like I got some I got some I got some kind of just you in some

MLK perhaps I get some is there anything in these files he released 240,000 files I mean is the do you accusing MLK of going the freaking the island I'm thinking of Epstein's Island? Is MLK on the list? The long-sealed-related files. I'm guessing this does not, like, prove conclusively that... But what is the theory with MLK? That the Dallas police...

I don't know. And, like, the FBI conspired somehow? I know to the... I know basically the basic idea is that the FBI did it. Right. Or put the guy up to it. I don't know about the Dallas police being involved, per se. Um, but yeah, like, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a, I don't know what, is there anything in these before that?

All right, let's see, uh, release Monday, Term of the administration, scroll down, please. Uh, is there anything in here that says anything about the files? The internal FBI memos detail the investigation into King's assassination and include the discussion of potential leads. You have to know I'm sorry, skipping ahead You have to know FBI numerical serialization practices that even understand

what you're looking at Garrisoned about the documents It's almost akin to learning a foreign language Well, that seems useful So I guess these files They just release a bunch of files Like they just kind of like

It seems like these things were in a binder Or a series of binders They ripped them out And just threw them in a garbage bag And gave them to some journalists Yeah It's a hair

I'm okay It's just whatever from his book biography. The King family has long objected to the release of the documents and urged the public to view the records with their full historical context. Well, the reality is, I mean,

they had information on him. I mean, the public kind of knowledge or whatever. He's cheering his wife a lot, right? That's kind of accepted. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just, you know, they know. They try to get him to send a letter

to get him to self-delete. Right. You know, they said, hey, we know about this. Why don't you self- delete? He's like, what does that mean? He's like, well, we don't want to write a letter because he might get censored. YouTube might demonetize us if we say what we want you to do. We're like, what's YouTube?

It's all we got very messy. But the point is, or I'll tell your wife. And he's like, tell me what I'm going to tell her that. I don't care. You don't think she knows? This is interesting. The family, which was given advance access to the files, has denied Ray was solely responsible. for MLK's murder

I didn't know that they like were kind of out there with that publicly? Yeah Yeah I mean Probably not at first At first they were probably just I mean it'd be smart I wouldn't blame them

They'd just be like But they yeah you gotta know Yeah Oh it was a lone gunman Was it? You gotta suspect at leas Yeah I know you probably I'm sure

I probably told his wife Mm hmm they want me to self delete Why? Well, you know You remember that Ashley Oh, you son of a bitch The FBI's after me It's not important right now

You know Don't make us about that Baby, we got a show United Front here Yeah, yeah, whatever I mean Yeah, I mean, I don't think I've ever Really encountered somebody Crazy or racist enough to be like

well, yeah, I treated on his wife. You know, I was like... In the context of like, you know... Well, that wasn't... I don't think it was more... Yeah, I think it was more to do with his wife and she's also a reverend. In the 60s, I'm sure it was...

Well, look, I think, no, I don't think it was about... I think it was about his people. I don't think it was about like... Your premise is interesting where it's like, hey, if you think those races hate you now, wait until I find out you cheat on your wife. I don't think that was the gimmick. I think it was more like...

You know, your wife, your, your parishioners, whatever you call, your congregation, the other ministers, you know, the movement. That's a good point. That's a good point. It's not like the clan was showing up at night and planning burning cross. Flander! Fug boy! Marriage is sacred! The brothers are just like breaking windows.

You took a vow! You took a vow! They sort of burst through the window For better for worse For better for worse Who's your part? So yeah I guess it kind of works

I mean we're talking about that now Instead of Trump I mean what is so I mean Where do we go from here? I mean I do think it's important Like you know I would like to Maybe we should look into this more for a comp dump or something.

Yeah, well, you know, read one of those. I think there's some book out there called conspiracy or something. That's about it. It's called conspiracy. Read the, we'll read the conspiracy book. What? It's called conspiracy? That's a weird name to call a book.

Is this like the first, did they, this is like the first conspiracy? I mean, I'm pretty sure that Julius Caesar beat down by like 2,000 years. It wasn't the first conspiracy even. This is about MLK? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would have named something never. I would say the MLK conspiracy or the Martin Luther King conspiracy. You know, the racist conspiracy.

Sure. Whoever named that is very, uh, I guess they want to get people who are also looking in the 9-11. And it's like, ah, well, I've read this. This, you know, you're going to Amazon.com and like, you know, conspiracy. Did you mean MLK? Well, no, but that's, all right. Whatever.

You know, this is a good segue though, because I honestly I want to do a try a little exercise here. You, Lucy. Sure. And me. I want to go through some Nick

because this is, this is, I'm okay, he's dead, right? He is. And I think the implication here, I do think they're trying to muddy the waters. That's just me. I think they're trying to make people think, well, maybe it, maybe they're okay to do it.

Or maybe he was involved, which he was, you know, by just name. nature of when he died. By the nature of time, he was not on Epstein's island. I don't, I mean, Epstein might have been alive, but he might have been a little young boy at the time

he died. I don't know. Do you think Epstein watched him march? Do you march with him? I'm just imagining Epstein. Like, I'm just imagining MLK looking at a baby Epstein in his crib. Do what?

What? I'm just talking about. Wait, like, peeking in the window? Like, he's like, like, he's at a crib and, like, and, like, as they're marching like through the neighborhood, he, like, goes and peeks

in the window, looks at the baby? What do you mean? He was like, yeah, it was baby. What are you getting that? Oh, look at that baby. I love looking at babies. He had the opportunity to kill baby abstain, and he did them.

Well, I mean, you know, it's, um, he was a, you've been a, You were accused, can you imagine that? Like, you know, that would have been a strange setback to the civil rights movement, I feel like. He just killed some Jewish baby. You know? It would look bad.

Well, look, you don't think it would have been a setback to, to, in 19, in 1900s, whatever, Austria. To what? To kill a little innocent baby. But no one ever is. Baby Aryan? First of all, Hitler wasn't an Aryan. I think it's famously recorded But it's also

Okay fine An innocent baby me schling I'm not sure what's that word Is that real word? Yeah it's like mixed Okay okay okay I'm sorry I don't know as you speak Austrian

Yes I it's more like though Imagine if Like you asked Anne Frank to kill him though I mean you know It would just be It would be kind of like It would be a good idea, I guess.

Well, yeah, I think if Anne Frank had the opportunity, she should. Sure. Yeah, I'm just saying. But also, I mean, it's, you know, he's in the middle of a civil rights movement, and he's going around and killing babies, allegedly, in this alternate universe. But, you know, Hitler was actually older than Anne Frank. Right. That's actually the whole premise of her tragic diary.

Sure. Because it's such a young girl died. I mean, name another one. Name another famous, like, innocent, like, innocent. like, I mean, there's so many, but I mean, I can't, uh, Eli Wiesel, I guess. Yeah. Who wrote Knight. Imagine if he just killed a baby.

And we, yeah, yeah, I don't know. Then you would have blamed, they would have blamed everything on that. Hmm. I'm just saying, the idea is not to get the most, the most, the victim to do it. It's supposed to be a noble thing that you go back and do. Right. Okay, while you're here, but while you're marching. You really, you really like this idea that.

You really think if Marlono King should have done this. You know, there was no connection. I was trying to think of how they could be implicated with each other. Sure. Entwined. Entwined by, through Trump, that's how. Trump is like a, like a Doctor Who character. Yeah.

He's like a, he links together. He's like a crazy portal or something. Yeah, he's like a vortex. He's like a time lord. Oh, Trump. He's a time bandit. He's a time tease. Um, what's the, okay, so what is this exercise you want us to do?

We're going to go, I'm, I have some, uh, kind of randomly, these are some of the most famous people in history, but dead people and they died all before 1980, right? Mm-hmm. And we're going to go through and go, would this person, and I don't think, I, I, I'll say it's about Martin Luther King. Would he have gone? No. I don't think so.

I don't think he would. Prove me wrong. I think he would have had an affair with an adult woman. Yes. I think he did. And the privacy of her apartment. anywhere or wherever

I guess he was not careful or a hotel he wouldn't go to an island full of children no some people might get tricked occasionally and I might try to get anyone off the hook here but you know it's a possible we were talking about it last week

with Malcolm Lodafel it's possible some people were like just tricked into going but I think he was savvy I think he'd be like hey you want come on on a trip who are you who are you people get away from me Julius Caesar, Roman general and dictator, 44 B.C. E.

Rather than B.C. Why is it B.C. E? I get it. Honestly, I think anyone from Rome is like, you know. Yeah, it's good point. It's probably there. They were like, I have to leave my house. Yeah, that's the only thing. They would be shocked by the idea of it being of it being clandestine in any way. Is it Roman though? I have to keep the secret. I do.

I simply. My first instinct. Why can't I simply enjoy the whole young boy? I have girls. Hey, no, thank you. I have a really nice house. Yeah.

And it's right here. I actually have tiles in the wall describing what you're doing. Like, you know, what do they call them? These frescoes or mosaics or whatever to get lost. We could do it at my house. We could talk about philosophy. You come in my house. You only bring me some nice olives.

What are you doing? I'm an important guy She'll bring me olives I'm like the olives in the room He's mad I didn't bring him out Napoleon Skipping ahead in time

Napoleon Bonaparte 1821 Hell no Hell no He liked him old Did he? Wasn't Josephine old? Oh maybe Yeah he liked

He liked those big Yeah she was kind of old You're right I mean you know Yeah He liked Milfs He likes Milfs Yeah you're right

This is not not the time. He didn't have time for that either. He's like, I'm kind of busy. Yeah. You know, he was, he was a, he was a, he was a, military commander. Hmm. We're actually, we're actually being much more leaning to the brutal men of history so

for Alexander the Great. He, he, he, he, he, he might, I'm not going to put it totally past him. Like, he might have relations with a child if, if, if it was like, part, if it was part of politics, basically. What? You know, there was an unfortunate. be part of politics. It is kind of part of politics.

It's an unfortunate reality that, you know, in a royal context, sometimes a young girl, it's valued for her virginity. Well, look, I think what you're saying, I mean, is like, would he have, you know, procreated with someone who wasn't over 18? But I think it's, in France, I think it's still a moot point. 18's not really the thing there. The point is the island. The point is the...

We've gone to the, I mean, he was already on his own islands, famously. He had a bad experience with islands. He hated islands. He tried to get off of islands. Really? You're only on island? I just got off one. Can you get lost?

I think that's probably the answer there. Alexander's great. Yeah, probably, right? Why do you say probably? I don't know. I mean, they kind of talk about that, like, I'm not sure. Well, I don't know if he was, again, um. That's the thing.

All these guys are like, I mean, no, I mean, this is another guy who, like, conquered to the unknown world. I don't need you. Like, what are you going to do? Right. Like, oh, we have an island. I can do whatever the hell. I literally run the world, the known world, whatever that means.

Right. So, no. It's just chilling. That's a difference. Like, people were, there was no, back in the old days, there wasn't just kind of, like, orbit time where you kind of got compromised. You kind of just, like, I don't know. I mean, maybe they're, I don't know.

No one cared about anything back then. I mean, they cared if you were like, you know, a punk and you're poor. They hated poor people. Right. You came from a bad family. They're like, this guy sucks. You know, like his dad was the king. I was the great dad was the king.

Like, he just conquered a bunch of stuff really well, but he was already a king. So that's, that's kind of, he's not, you know, Adolf Hitler. He talked a lot of smack about, you know, what's the word? there was comes up the debate not the basement but the the moral

degenerate degeneracy so probably anyone talks about much about degeneracy it's like you know I know everyone's really in a rush to like you know falling over Hitler these days

but I think he might have gone Winston Churchill oh absolutely Joseph Stalin yeah I mean again I don't know if he needed to go island but yeah I mean I don't think he was above it Abraham Lincoln I mean he he was I do think he was a pretty decent guy I feel like he was loyal yeah people hate

people love this idea that he just did it he hated he hated black people he just wanted to send him back to Africa I don't know it doesn't it seems like he was a little I mean there wasn't um but you could write like no there wasn't as much kind of like TMZ back then. Well, they find these letters and these things he said, like, to other people, which it wasn't, it wasn't implied that the things you said back then were going to come out. Right. And he did seem to not have any, like, you know, there's a couple of weird little things

where people interpret as like, you know, like, if I could end, if I could end the war by, and then keep slavery or would. But I think it's more just saying, like, I hate this war. Right. It's bad. War sucks. You know, and like, you know, it wasn't the war. I mean, if you want to say, it's weird that like there are the people.

I'm just saying. I don't think it means. you know, Genghis Khan. I mean, yeah, right. I agree with you. I think we're landing on an interesting point at what point here. This is kind of a fun little aside,

but I mean, it brings up an interesting point. This is kind of a unique time in history, it seems like, where this could actually, which is weird. Weirdly we're making progress if this could even be a scandal. I feel like, right? Right.

Because, I mean, a lot of these leaders, because Trump is arguably as powerful as Genghis Khan, right? I mean, Genghis Khan didn't have nukes. It seems unfair. Genghis Khan put a lot of work into, like, putting babies on spikes. You know, all that stuff. But, you know, I mean, it just...

He definitely was not against, you know, non-consensual stuff. Right. Not a deal breaker for him. It just seems like these people weren't put into power in the same way. I mean, maybe Carl Marx was. He's on the list, I think, somewhere. Oh, Karl Marx would definitely...

Oh, yeah. I meant Lenin, but yeah, Karl Marx. would definitely be there would be no communism because he never would have finished that damn book he was in the manifesto right and like this he was an interesting idea and they were like came to me hey he'll come and he never left

and Das Kapital wouldn't exist Leonardo da Vinci yeah I just view him as kind of a wallflower you know but an introvert I mean, he's just drawing airplanes that can't exist And people give him credit for it

But like, oh, look, You think he was trying to bring Epstein's plane To life in his mind? Oh, interesting point, yeah. If only I get a plane, it's a golden island. That's an interesting point there, Da Vinci. See, Charles Darwin, probably. Freud, definitely.

Definitely. Anyway, that really, it really should. There's too much ancient history here. It should be anyone in like the 19th, Shakespeare. Hmm. I feel like Shakespeare, I don't know. Maybe this is just wishful thinking at my part. Right.

But I don't like to think that Shakespeare wanted that kind of transactional shit. I mean, Romeo and Juliet was a little creepy to me. Why is you're right about kids? Young kids. Doing this, doing stuff. Mind your business. My business, Bill. Louis von Beethoven.

I mean, he, maybe. You know, he could always be like, oh, I didn't hear. He built an excuse, yeah. She said that. I didn't hear that. She said that young. I didn't hear her say that. I'm actually deaf.

I didn't hear that. Maybe this is the more appropriate. You heard of the joy? I wrote that, by the way. You like that? Can I go? Maybe this is the more appropriate question than if they would be on the island. It's just, what would their excuse for being on the island?

Good call. Okay. So, Vincent Van Gogh. Bro, I'm fucking crazy. Look at my ear. Mark Twain. He was done some dumb riddle. Yeah.

Well, the man who's the age of consent to divide by two is more than the age than I'm willing to whatever. I don't know. He's always saying some weird horse shit. Kafka offered the trial in the metamorphosis.

Kafka would just be like Kafka would be having an anxiety attack. He's like, this is very Kafka-esque, actually. I gotta be honest. This whole proposition is very Kafka-esque.

I feel like. Oscar Wild. He's definitely going. I mean, he's just, he's just a weird guy. What was that thing? I have nothing to declare, but, uh,

but looking to Clinton. um jane austin you're you're you're mad i was gonna say you're mad on but this time i mean what do you what do you call a woman a woman respects oh i don't know a dame your dame my dame of letters yeah you love you love that pride and prejudice she's innocent yeah she's she's innocent soul yeah mr darcy probably would have gone there i i would see actually mr bingley doing that more oh bingley uh look at bingley is the kind of Full disclosure, she made me watch the movie. Yeah.

And the guy from Successions in it, you know, Tom, uh, Tim or Tom, whatever, Tom, you know. So it's not, it was alright. Kieran Knightley when she was, you know, uh, it's one of the best movies ever made. You can say it. It's one of the best chick, you know, I don't want to be like, oh, a trick movie, but it really is the epitome of that. Like 18th, 19th century nonsense. But it was fine. As far as that goes, it's fine.

But Bingley and look, in the story. You try to get me killed. And the story, Bingley is a pure soul. Yeah. He's a genuine person. but in real life he'd be the kind of person who did have like tons of shit. Oh, he'd end up to, he'd be like,

he'd be like mad from Gladwell, like, oh, what am I doing that? Right. He wouldn't do anything. He's just like, I'm in love it. You're a creep. Just poking at her. By the way, I would also put that, if that guy said it to me, I'd put that guy in jail immediately.

Like, what'd you, would you do? Nothing, I just love that. All right, you go, we're putting you in the, and he got an electric, electrical chair. He'd be like, well, a marvelous invention. Aristotle. I forget.

So wait, so, I mean, they're leaving off, like, the big one who definitely was, is Socrates on here? Because Socrates definitely would, right? Oh, absolutely. And then there was Plato. And I don't know. I don't know if Plato kept that going.

And Aristotle, he was the one that actually trained the end of the grate. But it went, like, in succession, I think. I think, like, Socrates trained Plato, and Plato was trained Aristotle. I don't trust anything. him over that. I mean, you know, it's like, you know how that stuff goes.

Tesla. You know, he did, he did seem unbalanced by the rules. It's honestly, it's hard to think of some of these guys doing that. Yeah, we do we do we have like just sleesier leaders nowadays? I just think we have sleazier public figures. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. The real.

But it actually kind of hurts to think of Tesla there. Matt graining, you know Not as much And you're a self-avowed Simpsons kid You love the Simpsons more than anything But you were the interesting But it's just not heartbreaking in the same way Renee Descartes

I got to be honest Yeah I think they're 4 a.m. It's all I know about him He's that guy I don't know much about him I mean he's a philosopher I don't trust any philosopher to be honest of you I think it's one of those professions that I just don't trust

I think it's very shady I think you're right to distrust it you know it's like it's it's one thing to say like it's not real or there's no merit to it but to say that you don't trust philosophers I think it's a very fair thing to say thank you I wasn't laughing to you I just happened to turn paper for some reason for some reason it makes me laugh

and you have Robert Lee I don't know why it's just like you're accusing Robert I mean if I could own every sex slave in the world. I'd release them all to end this to close this terrible island down.

Is that why you own them? Interesting. So you're following. Oh, man. So that was an interesting kind of. Whatever. I don't know.

What's this? Did we talk about this already? Baby Blackmail. Oh, Ozzie's dead. That's a guy. I don't think he would have been on the island. No, I don't think he would have, you know,

I don't what was he mean Sharon Osborne was like a 90 Or it is you know Ozzy Osborne dead that's 76 RIP Ozzy Um I like I mean Did you love Ozzy grown up?

They love them growing up It's an interesting question You know I loved I didn't love Black Sabbath But I liked a few songs There's a lot I'm like paranoid And I like the war pigs

And Iron Man Good songs I didn't go deep deep breathing deep at all um i like them and then he did that show the osborns yeah i mean he's big inspiration as far as people who like can't be understood when they talk um it was actually kind of inspired you know you just kind of me like it was just very like it was likable i mean i mean i'm vicon is notoriously uh stingy with your content we can't i wouldn't i'd play a clip I mean, who knows, you know, those kids annoy me, right?

The Osborne kids. Sharon's an annoying. I did like the, when I was a kid, I did like the show. Yeah. It's the only reality show I really remember liking. It was the only fun. I did, I got me on, I did, I like the Celebrity Apprentice. I mean, I also watched a regular one, but I really like the celebrity one with a lot of fun.

You didn't watch that growing up? Not really. I maybe saw a couple of episodes. That's fair. But no, but Ozzy was, yeah, I agree with the best one. The Osbournes? You seem to be taking like a sour pill in my face now.

No. Like, oh, you like the, you like the, you're a scumbagg, you like the apprentice. No,

I like this guy was like, I mean, we'll talk about Ozzy in a second, but there was one episode of the apprentice where he was a guy, like they were doing, they designed like a motel hotel room. Right. And like this guy,

like I used to work in hotels. It's very important. We got a very powerful toilet because if people caught in toilets and there's a problem all the time. And then at the end when they lost, it was why do you spend this money in this powerful toilet. He's like,

wow, you know, it's like important. Yeah, but this is a fake thing. It's a fake thing. Why are you doing this? And like,

you're dumb. You're dumb to do this. You're fired. It was the craziest thing. It was like, this is a fake thing we're doing here. I loved it. That was really funny.

And there is like a logic to that, you know? Yeah. People aren't going to be coming into the fake hotel and taking big dumb. Right. Yeah, I know, there is a lot of, yeah, it's like, look, my whole life is fake things. Yeah.

You know, strap in if you want to see what I end up doing in the next 30 years. So if you think, I don't need some guy who's like, oh, what we make the toilet stronger? It's been more money. Shut your mouth. Anyway, but, uh, but yes, but generally, Osbournes was a fun show. I don't remember much of it. I mean, what was the events? He would just kind of wander around and, like, try to get, they would try to get Ozzie to, like, play, like, you know,

trades or something. It was maybe the only true reality show in the sense that like there wasn't a lot going on. Yeah. It was just like people yelling, people yelling across the room, people yelling across the house. Like early real world was- Is he getting sick from all the drugs he did? Yeah. But he's also, if you watch like his interviews, he wasn't, he played it up too.

He wasn't quite that bad. He was actually much more cogent than that. Yeah. Although recently they made him, he was like he was going to push on stage with a wheelchair or something. What are you going to do? if you could uh do you like the music at all yeah i like black sabbath a little bit yeah what's your favorite black sabbitt song like you i don't i don't really go deep but i named like three of them right right for the dome you can't remember they said i like crazy train that's that's not black sabbath but

yeah that's good right that's a good song though that's solo don't they have a famous well that's Aussie that is Aussie right but solo he he he he he he's not he he he's not he he he he He left Black Sabbath in, like, the 70s or something, or the 80s. I mean, he had a big solo solo career. And I think Ronnie James Dio was his guitarist or something, right? I don't know. Right. This is where people are tuning out.

Yeah. So. Anyway, you're a legend, Ozzy. So, uh, Charlemagne would he go to the island? Charlemagne. Oh, man. What about Constantine? Do you think Constantine is on the island?

Again, Roman. I mean, he, like, he moved. But he was, like, the first major, like, Christian leader in Rome. Okay. Were we adults? So that means he wouldn't do it, right? Are we adults? That means he wouldn't do it, right?

Does it mean that? Really? The guy who started the Catholic Church had a problem with that? Interesting. I forgot. I mean, honestly, the people who are the happiest, I mean, if you want to accuse someone, this should have gotten closer up, but we landed on this. This is a great point.

Yeah. This is actually a very interesting point. The people, if I was Trump, the people I would be accusing of making a big muck of this stuff. I don't believe this. I don't want to be accused. And like, if you go, will you help and Trump out? Well, then we'll just point to this podcast and go, you've told you took this from Kump. So whatever.

But here's a strategy that would be smart. Who was making this up? The Catholic Church. Why? Because no one's talking about them finally. Who's talking about the Catholic Church in their shenanigans the past 10 years? Barely anyone.

That's me, like, you know, Quabono, who benefits, you know, that whole thing. Mm-hmm. True. The biggest, the biggest receivership of, of good, good, of this is good

from this situation. Mm-hmm. It's got to be the Catholic Church. That's true. That might be. The Pope in Rome is Roman popery. Just start going hard after the Pope The new Pope

Yeah I forgot it's an American Pope We had a long episode about it Is it an American Pope? Yeah we got it Yeah It's an American Pope It wasn't the American Pope we were talking about

No no but it wasn't American Pope And no one's talk I mean it was something over the weekend Where there was like some Meaningless report I saw Where it was like Oh he did some No one talks about this new Pope

He's laying low Tell you something he's like he's waiting for this to boil over he doesn't want he doesn't want to say anything in public or two or too publicly lest he be sucked in i'm not saying he's anything to do with this thing but you know yeah he's just like he's just he's being smart he's like why don't i just keep my mouth relatively shut i say mass you know he's not going to win there to go i'm like yeah yeah yeah we should get trump for this talk about immigrants be nice to immigrants hey i think he's even doing yeah he's then don't get on the radar you know yeah i mean he did a

that a little bit, but you're right. Oh, he did? Now it's like nothing is really... He says that by the immigrants? The new Pope? Yeah. Okay. Well, that's that.

When did that happen? I think, like, right after he was... Oh, right after the raids started to help? Didn't help. Didn't help, but... The Pope has lost some of the juice he used to have, I feel like. Pope's used to have a lot more juice in this country. Do you think that the Borgias would have gone to the island?

I mean, have the Vatican. I mean, like, powerful family. it really is kind of like a unique time like where you need the island but that's even like a big a lot of history they were like why do I need an island like we like you know what everyone just kind of assumed the worst right the Mercita Saad wasn't like censored well he was but he was throwing the Bastille or whatever but you know what I'm saying like that that book came out right awful stuff anyway it's uh look it's all very chaotic um trying to bump is uh looks like a guilty pig I bet I mean it's more poetic what was expression like a dirty dog

guilty pig we're a guilty pig that's not an expression but yeah but it's like it's a bad it's a bad look we should do guilty pig of the week

that's not a bad idea yeah look at this guilty pig rest in peace Ozzy Osborne rest and peace you know are they going to track it just late in the talk we talk about that yeah yeah that's uh we can go out before we before we tune out we had nice we had a nice coda there but you know

whatever you think she'll make a deal a fake deal it does seem like they like she's trying to wiggle out of her responsibility for this they're probably like if you're if everybody's just going to deny yeah yeah she's probably going to get she probably has like a bunch of fake names to give because they didn't want to make a deal with her before that's the idea right they didn't want to make that's what they said they don't want to make a deal because they would look bad to let her off right or give her any reduction but they probably i would imagine if she is an intelligence operative you know for someone i wonder who uh you would think like you know there's probably like a bunch of names she can give

that are like, you know, maybe expendable people. If you're only name she needs to name is Malcolm Blackwell. He's behind all of this. I mean, Stephen, Malcolm Gladwell, Stephen Hawkins. It was Malcolm Gladwell's world. We were just living in it.

I mean, there probably is, like, a bunch of a bunch of passies. There's always passies. There's got to be. So, I mean, there's a bunch of people on the list who are passies. I mean, that's what, I mean, But Trump should have argued that.

Again, not trying to get him off. He didn't argue it. If you thought you were past, he would have said it. So this is not like in any kind of generation. I'm just saying, it's interesting. It's interesting that no one's advising him. I would never advise him because it's deplorable shit, you know? I would never be involved in this.

But I'm just saying, like, you know, it's like, it's interesting. There used to be, like, evil, intelligent people in this country running things. Now it's just evil people. Right. What are you going to do? I mean, that's just the way that cookie, Crumbles, unfortunately, and thanks so much for tuning in. Thank you.

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