Kump - Ep. 229 The Charlie Kirk Tragedy

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Ray and Lucie react to the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk. In a week of chaos, Ray is called a "voice of reason" by Lucie for urging calm instead of violence. The two dive into conspiracy theories, strange public reactions, and the way Americans process political violence.

Hello, and welcome to comp. Hello, obviously it's been a sad couple of days. Yes. But I have to say, I'm very proud of you. Why are you proud of me? I'm a proud wife today. You're proud. Explain yourself.

This is a new thing for me. You had a very, in the midst of a lot of senseless, irresponsible responses to what happened to Charlie Kirk, you were actually the voice of reason. You were very mature. Did you expect me to June up a race war? I mean, thank you. I appreciate that. I don't think I did very much. I don't bet.

I think he did a lot. I'm surprised that you're instinct after a couple years of marriage so far is that, you know, oh, I was just waiting for my opportunity to spark a spark a flame of a violence and rage. Well, you know, you can be, you're not necessarily the most sincere person on social media. Okay. You're, you're, you're. That's, yeah, it's a fair point. I tend to go for the comedy, for the fun. You have kind of a cynical, ironic brand.

Much like the young men of America, I'm just in for the lulls, usually. But I do have a moral compass of sorts. This is what you wrote. Why don't you read what you wrote? I don't, okay, I don't, this is not, this not, I, I want people to see it. I want people to see it, see how good he works. This is such a low bar. Advocating for your political opponents to be assassinated is, how.

how you become a third world country. It's also completely inhuman. I hope Charlie Kerr gets better. Yeah, this was before. It was, yeah. I don't think it's a very, you know, I don't think I, I don't think I split the Nile River, the Red Sea.

I don't think I, you know, broke the loaves and fishes. Yeah. Like Jesus. I just said, hey, like, don't, you know, let's, you know, cool it down. Cool down, cool it down. Right. But, you know, I guess if you want to go ahead, if you want to tell me how great I am.

I'm fading. I'm feigning humility here. And you're just going, okay, you're supposed to overwhelm me with, no, you're the best. You saved us. You may have prevented a civil war with us. I hope to. I, look, I have never, even if I felt that I was, I would never want to, you know, make that claim verbally. when this whole country

the stoicism of it when this whole country goes down in flames right the historians you are kind of sorting through the rebel we'll look back at this and they'll go imagine if people had listened to this guy imagine that's all I want all I want is for people in the future to look at me and go like

yeah you know I guess that guy couldn't convince anyone I guess that guy just was really unpersuasive and uncharismatic and just couldn't get his point across in any coherent way to other people that he must have been

maybe he smelled bad maybe just that weird voice we'll never know I guess but he had some alien just alien assuming I have B-O but look it's a tragic day Charlie Kirk

not everyone agree with them I didn't agree with a lot of his stances I don't actually know his whole platform and I'm actually come to realize that I did well like you know what I thought I knew like I'm looking through some of his stuff I mean look at you just stuff

that very clearly many people will disagree. He didn't mince words. He was not a, you know, whatever. It was very confrontational verbally, I guess you say it. You know, but like, but actually was, I've been looking and like, you know, he's not the worst offender as far as like being unpolite. As far as rhetoric and follow up, he was one of the better ones. Yeah, he was.

Like, he didn't just actively, obviously maybe, maybe you would view some of his views as inherently to human. Well, I mean, depending on what perspective you're coming from. But like, but he didn't go out of his way when he wasn't constrained by his own ideology. Yeah. He didn't dehumanize people. No, he was actually civil. And like, look, I mean, you go, well, he's being decept.

Well, look, there's a game that has to be played in a society where people just fundamentally disagree about things. Right. And like, you can't go. Yeah, but at the end of your ideology, if not, if no cooler has prevail, you know, then I'm ass out. Right. That can't be the bar that you hold everyone against when they're, when they're, when they're, debating. It just can't be. It's, I'm sorry. I'd like, you know, if you feel like you're attacked by, I get it.

I'm empathetic towards people. But like, it's just, there's no answer. There's like civil societies maybe aren't as multi-pluralistic as we thought or, you know, whatever. Like, I don't know. This is still kind of an experiment probably. And like, can people just fundamentally different, like some religious views or whatever, you know, idealism? Can they co. I, I, I, I, I, I don't, the jury seems to be out for now. Right. This is not a great moment for that. But, yeah, I don't think you can, you can't, it's just an unreasonable expectation in society.

Right. To have. Yeah. And, yeah, you know, I'm not saying, you know, you don't, don't try to pull some quote. Well, he said this and he said that and the Bible said this. And like, you know, oh, he said this about the Bible, but then the Bible also said the stone people. And to be fair, the Bible says that a lot. If you're going to bring up the Bible at all, odds are

someone's getting stung into the next verse. Right. I'm about saying, you know, I'm not trying to, like, you know, it is what it is. And are there other things that you feel like should be, like, the worst thing people are going, oh, you mourn people, you're born this guy, well, you know,

X, Y, and Z is happening. And it's like, you know, and like, where's your empathy for that? And, like, it's, you're kind of missing the point of, like, this is a, an inflection point. You're kind of missing the point that this is, Like, it's not so much that anybody's making a rational choice to elevate his death above other people.

Some people probably are, but whatever, even fair. But it's just, it's just when you do this to somebody, to somebody that someone identifies with politically, it's traumatizing. You're going after. You can naturally put yourself in that position. Like, somebody could have, could have shot me that way. Right. Like, you're attacking, also attacking free speech, you know, and by you, I mean, who knows. Yeah.

I guess this, uh, whether it's this shooter or something? aspect perhaps or perhaps you know I don't know if it is 9-11 and it reminds us that you always believe the narrative that you're told I don't know I don't know what happened you know I'm sorry well that's the thing they shut they dumped them in the ocean they dumped them in the ocean what is the most things in the most sense in the world everyone knows that in Islam you throw the body in the ocean of the most notorious terrorist in history you throw them in the ocean once you get them you get them and you immediately toss them back like a Starfish that you caught on a Boy Scout trip.

And your dad tells you can't keep it. You can't eat it. You have to throw it back. I go, but dad, I'm like 10. This is a big deal for me. I want to put it on my wall. He's like, it smells. It's going to smell worse.

You can't do that. And so we just throw it. I think you let the guy chop it up, though. I think we threw it in the garbage. But regardless, that was a starfish. You don't throw back the FBI's most wanted terrorists for like 10 years straight an unprecedented run just throwing back like chum

but I digress the thing is we don't know who did this yet right there are lots of possibilities I mean Cash Patel announced they had a guy and then they let the guy you know that guy wasn't the guy even though the guy was yelling shoot me shoot me or something like that was that guy creating a diversion like we don't know we don't know if it's a team I will say this

whoever did this seem to have some kind of tactical, I'm not an expert. I know I like to talk about the Navy SEALs and the Delta Force, and I fantasize about them hugging me and telling me I'm a real man. That being said, I don't know everything about tactics, but this person seemed to be better than average as far as like getting a shot off, getting away, no one knows where they are right now, maybe there was coordination of people on their, I don't know. Yeah. I really don't know.

But yeah, I'm sorry to talk all of you, but yeah. Yeah, no, totally. I mean, that's the thing, like, the thing that annoys me so much about when people actually celebrate this. Yeah. Like, obviously, it's inhuman. Right. Obviously, it's immoral. You're also theoretically possibly celebrating, like, yourself being made a patsy by some foreign actor.

Like, we don't know. We don't know who shot it. Right. I mean, it's just, when something like this happens, yeah, sometimes it is, you know, we don't, we don't list every, like, you know, killing it over the last century. Maybe some of them were just the way they told us. But they always seem to have something very suspicious happening. And I'm just saying in general. So it seems odd to not at this point have a little bit of like, well, let's see.

Let's before we go, hey, this is our cue to now do, like, you know, to do likewise, maybe take a beat. I don't know or don't. No one should listen to me probably because I have B.O. or whatever the alien said. But, yeah, like, I mean, people have been sharing this clip of Kirk doing kind of a soft criticism of Israel on Ben Shapiro show. Right. People have been trying to connect dots about that, you know. Who knows? We don't know.

People speculate. There's wild speculation happening on all sorts of things. And, like, you know, we have time. I think, I mean, I don't know. What's a 24? Remember the show of 24? I end up watching the whole thing. It was actually better than you would think.

It felt like an anime. But at the time, people criticized it because, you know, the post-in-11 years or, you know, it was like, it gave us this kind of one of the, the ticking time bomb scenario. Now. Which kind of, you know, the sort of unofficial, it was ever, no, probably no senator ever said, well, the ticking time, I mean, you know, whatever. But it was kind of this thing that was put there conveniently,

which made you feel like, well, we have to do it. If we don't break, if we don't take the Constitution and burn it. They're going to take out the Mnep store. You know? We all have time, Senator. You have to approve this. So I'm just saying, you know, so that, whoever's, that narrative might disagree with me. But I tend to think, we have time.

You know, we have a lot. People are rushing to, like, I don't know, I don't know what. Right. It just seems like a little like, hey. Like, it just, you know, it's like when you're playing like Metal Gear Solid or Tensue stuff, assassin and you throw the poison rice ball at the samurai and he immediately takes and starts eating it and he goes convulsing and that's your cue to take him out because you're a ninja right and it's like maybe maybe when someone throws a poison rice ball you just take a beat you think

where it's come from maybe it did fall off of someone's satchel and it's a perfectly good rice bowl yeah but let's think about it for a second is there anyone around do they see footprints right Or is this a random rice ball? Do you see what I'm saying here? I got to say the guy, the guy in those pictures. Yeah. The guy in those surveillance. Let's bring him up, I guess, yeah.

Let's see. This is so far, as of now, you know, late afternoon, September 11, 2025. Does he look trans? I don't know. He looks like a twink. Well, they say, well, yeah. I mean, you don't know. The picture of a meeting.

He can be very imposing. We don't know. We don't know. I don't want to say anything to this guy. If this is a person, I don't want to piss them off. Yeah, look, I wouldn't want to... I'm not coward, but I mean, there's no... You know, if they...

If I get a chance, I'll do a citizen's arrest, I guess. But, I mean, it's no, you know... But I like to lay low, like a ninja. I think I should just explain to you. Yeah. And so, you know, like... But, okay, you know, I'm a big man. Yeah, look at that.

Whatever. Waf. Right. But no, he's a... They were... They said there was trans stuff, whatever, like, written on the gun. I mean, I heard that was debunked, but I don't really know.

Oh, really? Okay. Like, I'm not sure. Okay, yeah. On the bullets, too, it just seemed, and like, you know, people, well, they're right on the bullets. I mean, all right. Well, sure. Someone may have done that before. I don't know.

There's a point is, like, can we just get, like, someone in custody before we go? Like, yeah, let's see. I mean, let's just see who they, let's just see who they show us. Right. As the killer. I don't think they should have let that boomer go. I should think they should still be questioning him. I mean, honestly, he was, I mean, I don't know which one.

Cash Patel was referring to when he said Because at one point he said we have a guy I believe the tweet or something And then now like it was two guys though So whatever but like there was a one older guy I think he's what you're talking about who's going Was he saying like shoot me? Shoot me right? Right It seems like a wild thing to say for no reason

A lot of people are crazy I get it It's a wild time maybe he's just a rent like look There's a lot of people you go well yeah is someone to be screaming shoot me I mean how many people were there few thousand it seemed like a big crowd yeah i'm just saying like you get a few thousand people in a room maybe it's like i mean i think they say i was looking this up today actually and apparently like 5% of the population has like mental illness like severe mental illness

which seems high but whatever i'm just saying so it's possible there's this a bunch of you know once a shotgun goes off people were like you know people just kind of go crazy yeah but you let's scream and shoot me yeah it's strange maybe just maybe he's distracting people on purpose maybe he's not don't i would i wouldn't take it upon anyone's self to go in these people go like want to investigate things in their own i investigate all you want but like but like but kind of like harass people in their own yeah everybody wants to like we're now in an era where everybody wants to be part of the investigation you look i don't blame them showing different angles of it there was one video i saw shared where he was like as somebody

running across the roof there like it you know people are no the FBI was saying that was him yeah oh really Yeah, I was watching a thing When I first got up this morning And it was from like hours earlier Maybe last night even We're like, we have a picture We have a video of the guy running from one roof to the other I think they might have the shot too

I'm not sure they didn't show that Of him doing a shot He ran from one roof the other day He jumped off onto like a nearby building Like off campus It sounds very acrobatic, very skilled This is a Jason Bourne motherfucker It sounds like it

I mean I don't like to speak ill of Jason Bourne But you know Wait wasn't he a killer well he reluctant though okay i don't think he would have like done this i mean but they could have activated them who knows with that treadstone project um but yeah so there was but then they said we have a picture of them and we're pretty sure we can like uh we can identify him with our means we have these means to do it but if not we if we fail at that we'll show it to the public and then you know an hour two later it's like yeah we couldn't do it it just sounds like something i was

like can you like uh like someone's trying to get hey can you figure out how to like offload this uh i remember once i'll just tell the story i remember once uh i was in the back of the comedy store with and and tony hintch club was and he had like he was trying to get a video onto from like his laptop on the computer and him was like hey just like you know uh maybe you can help him out and the embarrassment when you were like you're like you're presented as a like someone who might be able to help someone and you can't yeah just like i i don't know how to do this you know and that's the guys that's how i feel like the uh the guys that the uh fbi are like we got this you know i'm not trying to drag

it was a bit of a true story that happened i was that i was in that guy's shoes you seem disgusted by me that i was like yeah i couldn't help someone with their computer i'm not computer expert this years ago right um whatever the point is that you know so they they thought they could i don't know do his face analysis and they couldn't bizarre I never seen a press conference like that I don't watch a lot of press conferences either to be fair I don't blame people

for trying to be like in the Ted Lasso press conference that was so weird oh god remember that Ted Lasso thing yeah we're like bring a picture of that view code because I don't people remember that's such a long time ago it was like two years ago probably when it like when like who was it Jill Pataki

whatever name was Pasaki the Biden's press secretary brilliant, like the cast of Ted Lassow to promote season three or whatever. Yeah. They did a press conference, the cast of Ted Lassow. This is, this is, I mean. This is the crazy in-character. Yeah, no, it's like, I don't care what,

there's no version of this where it's like, oh, one side, you know, what if we didn't vote for a child? I don't know, you have this? Yeah. You have this. What do you want me to tell you? I know, like, it seems like a fun romp. But I don't like, I mean, I just feel like, you know,

If your whole angle is, no, we're the ones who are responsible or whatever. And you have Ted Lasso, like, do a friggin, do a presser. And, you know, you do a fucking, I hate Ted Lasso. I mean, I like the first season. So he's first season was right. I love Jesus Azacus. I'd love to have them on the pod sometime. Jason, reach out if you could.

But, uh, you know, I, I think if I got them, if I cornered them in a room. I think it's cornered him? Yeah, like, you know, metaphorically, we're in a room. Just cornered Jason Zadakis. You had a little beers or at a bar. I wouldn't bring it up by the way I'd make them laugh maybe A few anecdotes

I didn't go to the groundlings Right But I feel like maybe I could make something Just like whatever You could totally make Jason The day his laugh Right so in the middle of a beer three I'm like you know by the way

That show what you did I mean a lot of your stuff It was so great That show I went to shit after season one And you'd probably be like Yeah you know The money was great Something like that you know

We blame is like wife was it Olivia His ex-wife His ex-wife is Olivia Munn? Not Olivia Munn No, the one The one who like made the movie With

Captain Kirk The new Captain Kirk Oh, oh, Olivia Wilde? Yeah. You've made that bad a divorce? Whatever, it's where we lose people. If you look at the chart on YouTube, it's really like, when you start talking about

Jason today, gets people tuned out and that's being ambitious. But the point is and then I guess I think it's a good segue because I had this idea and I didn't want to harass an old man I'm sorry

no a man a man look everyone knows he's been around forever he's an older man but you know but like I said wouldn't it be a nice thing and it's not because

like a political alignment one way you don't know my politics by the way I'm not even sure I have politics but don't this only idea

I'm something like fucking communist left you don't even know what I am all right you have no idea what I'm about all right

that being said this is apolitical i thought it'd be a nice thing a healing thing perhaps if william shatner made some kind of announcement he's not he's not like i don't need he's empowered to do such but like you know hey you know charlie kirk was the real captain kirk with mx platinum access to exclusive amex pre-sale tickets can score you as our trackside so being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime that's the powerful band of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and varied by race. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at amex.ca.com. Wait, I didn't get charged for my donut. It was free with this Tim's rewards points. I think I just stole it. I'm a donut stealer.

Ooh. Earn points so fast, it'll seem too good to be true. Plus, join Tim's rewards today and get enough points for a free donut, drink, or timbits. With 800 points after registration, activation, and first purchase of a dollar or more. See the out for details at participating restaurants in Canada for a limited time if you tweeted that out yeah something like that I was actually I actually drafted a tweet where I quote tweet because he

show his tweet really quick I subsequently found out you told it was a nice idea and then I was going to quote tweet this which is assassination is so senseless condolences to the Kirk family and a little sad emoji I don't think he needed the emoji personally

I'm not going to hold anyone account. Look, the nuances of a, of, you know, the appropriateness of emoticons and emojis and also an ASCII code, all that stuff are lost on meteor a large extent, let alone like an 85, 90-year-old man. So I'm not going to hold him accountable for that. I did want to, but I was going to quote, tweet him and say, hey, Mr. Shatner, will you join me in announcing that Charlie Kirk is, the true Captain Kirk in Star Trek canon or so some of that extent, even though it couldn't be official because it's not his to do, but I still

do, but I think, yeah. Is the Kirk family, like, are they big on Star Trek? It's a fictional person. Oh, you mean the Charlie Kirk family? Yeah, no, I don't know. I mean, I like Star Trek. Like, before you start getting shitty to me, like, I like it. Yeah.

I'm not like the biggest, like, weird Trekkie you ever met in your life, but I used to watch it as a kid. It's a nice thing, I think. His name is Kirk. I just it's the kind of thing and I mean this from the bottom of my heart it's the kind of thing that if he did that if he had done it without me telling him to do it

I would kind of not like that thing that man has that you don't tear up per se but you can kind of feel like emotion a little bit and you're like that's nice you know like your son being born something like that

right your son being right it's like that's nice yeah and I feel like that would be a nice thing like kind of when I saw like there was a comic book I think I vaguely remember this where like after 9-11 uh why I keep bringing it 9-11 because it's 9-11 this is 9-11 it's something very 9-11 happen this is a throwback 9-11 kind of yeah I mean it with respect where it's like we have to you know usually it's like oh I'm like oh we're going to do this forever and not to the fame the people but like it's realistically like when does this

you people are oh come doesn't care about the fire I can't more about the fire as many people do. I'm going to say everyone, but many people, all right? I care enough to believe them when they say they hear explosions.

When someone says to me, well, they know they're firefighters. I don't know. Who would be more qualified to be able to identify an explosion in the basement

of a New York City skyscraper than an FDNY officer? Who? Who was more qualified than that? So don't tell me I don't care about firefighters. That being said,

what was my point? oh so you know whatever it's 9-11 it's so the there was a thing after 9-11 that was like I mean I mean a month later where the fuck I think it was Marvel and I could be remembering this wrong don't quote me but I remember there being a thing where there's these comic book characters looking at Grand Zero going like well I didn't or I don't know if they were saying why didn't we stop this or the people were like where were you but acknowledgement like you know breaking the fourth wall going like you know I mean like if you know if you're really superheroes, I mean, oh, it's just like when you, when you get obsessed as we are in today's

day and age, maybe it's declining, but still obsessed with superheroes as we are now, it is rough to kind of, not me, I'm an adult man, but whatever, but it can be rough, the culture shock of being constantly bombarded with things that superheroes would maybe help, but can't because they're not real. That's what I'm saying. Right. And in that vein, in a similar, so it's kind of touching at someone solid enough to go, yeah, we should acknowledge that 11 in the Marvel universe with Spider-Man. Well, you could say that's flippant, I don't know.

I mean, who can pick one way or the other? And the same way, I think it would be nice for William Shatner to say, screw the executives who own the property rights. I'm an old man. And in the best way possible. There's nothing better than me, an old man. What are you going to do?

Take my money away? Maybe. Maybe he'll take his money away, put him in the street. I don't know. But he's not that, you know, no one's got that long. It'd be nice if he said, screw it. sue me if you want, I'm naming him Captain Kirk.

It doesn't matter if you don't he deserved it. If you liked them, if you didn't like him, you didn't like him, you agree if you don't agree with him. It's a nice gesture. The gesture is moving. And that's what you need right now, is healing gestures. There's nothing wrong with healing gestures.

People act like it's like a hypocritical or you're like a pussy or something. Right. It's like, no. It's like, I'm sorry. Look, not everybody has the the personality. Right.

The, the, the, um, the Teflon personality. required to mock a person in death. Right. Like, it's not, like, not, you know, like, this is, even if you think you are being ideologically consistent, which I don't think you are. I think you're against, especially if you're against gun violence.

Right. Like, it's like, but even if you are, like, it's just strange, it's strange to shame people for, for not celebrating someone's death. I just think it's, I just think people don't realize how weirdly, no, I mean, or whatever, like, tense, this country is. It might be on a break or something. It's quite, yeah. And it's not good for anyone.

There's a problem with people where they just, they want to exist in this eternal present. Right. Where everything is just about being honest about how I'm feeling right now. It's not about, it's never about what's going to happen in the immediate future. Right. Or what just happened.

Right. What are the likely consequences of this, of being flip into this or that? Right. Like, I didn't like, I didn't go. show up to the fans of the podcast know this I think that I didn't just show up to ground zero on 9-11

or even the day after and start going like well what about the project of a new American century right you know I went to a blood bank my father convinced me to go to some like makeshift blood bank where people were going to give blood and and take pictures of them with my camera below eBay wait wait did you give blood or were you just there to take pictures

I did not give blood I'm trying to think why I think I was I not 18 They were like your blood's rotten I wasn't I think I'd give him I'd give him blood before But the start I'll tell the story very quickly I was I was like you know

So I was in the first 11 was like the day after my first day of college I was commuting to Hofstra at the time I was trying to major I didn't actually like touch a camera there I was only for a year I was in film major technically whatever point is I bought the camera of eBay a screw mount G-A-F camera old not even

not even working light meter and I was getting into photography and then becoming a wedding photographer and you know more photography but this is the first time I'm just just getting into photography and my dad was like you should go take pictures of like the of this blood bank thing that we saw by the news and like for what like you just send it to the newspaper maybe they want to use it and it's the kind of thing that parents says maybe it's a boomer parent thing where I was just like, what could it hurt? Well, I'll tell you what it hurts. My memory of 9-11 is me showing up meekly in my jalopy

when I scrub my shitty whole camera with a telephone lens, just photographing creepily people who were giving blood on 9-11. And I'd remember that for the rest of my life. And I just like, and I kind of just, I took a picture or two and I realized they could see me. It was very awkward. But I just like, all right. Did you do the thing that you used to do at weddings where you were like,

like, turn your body this way, turn your body this way, turn your, I didn't go and be like, hey, I'm, I'm into paper because I couldn't, there'd be a lie. But I didn't go, hey, I mean, I'm in a full of journalists, like I was going to get a few shots of this for the paper as a, you know, human interest thing, which I would, if I try to explain that when I was 18 to somebody or 17, whatever it was, I would have came off much more stammery, much more like, la la, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm not a photographer, something like that, you know. I did not do any of that. I just kind of parked across the street or something or across the parking a lot. took and the guy like I was some 1950s private eye trying to catch some guy having an affair with a big fucking photo lens and like it takes pictures of people at a fucking blood like on a tragic day so I'm just you know um so yeah my point is I wasn't sitting there going

trying to convince people that you know Dick Cheney was in on it right back you know at the moment you give things a beat you give it a beat you embarrass yourself um Yeah, that's a very good point. Well said, Ray. Thank you. But yeah, I got to say it a strange way. Yeah. Just to eulogize for a second.

Sure. Like, in a strange way, I was kind of a Charlie Kirk fan. I watched a lot of debates at a certain point in my life. Like, I liked watching debates. And sometimes something, this is the kind of thing. If you only, if you do that for fun, sometimes, only those people can maybe understand this. Right.

But sometimes, like, you watch enough of your opponent in a debate. Right. Because I'd always kind of be rooting for the left-wing speakers. Sure. But they do kind of become a celebrity to you. Yeah. You kind of, you start to like them a little bit, especially if they're hard to beat.

Yeah. No, he's like, he's like, he was like a, like a Vagita for you in Dragon Ball Z or something. Exactly. Which is a big kind of, I love Vichita. I'm not saying, I mean, whatever. But the point is, you know, it's a, Yeah, look, I mean, I'll be honest to be it, like, they're way worse, it doesn't matter. No one deserves what happens.

I was waiting for his arc where he starts wearing pink shirts and eating, eating rice balls. Oh, you go deep on Dragon Balls Day. That's a magic, Majin Boo saga, I believe. Do you actually watch those or you just know it from like from the pictures, the gifts? That's like the part of the, the Dragon Ball Z series that I remember the most. Wow, so you watched like the deep cuts. Yeah, yeah. Or it's a media where deep, like, look, what you understand.

I know now you can go on crunchy roll or squiggly fish or whatever these streaming services and watch whatever you want. But when I got into the radio, I had to get tapes that were like fan sub tapes and I would trade with this guy or I would pay him to rent me these tapes in high school and you give me one tape a day. It was like three episodes per tape or something and you're really, and some of them are really bad quality. And I watched the whole, that's how I watched the show.

So it's for me, it's like, oh, you got that far? But that doesn't matter. I mean, it's a much big, more important day than whatever I'm described, talking about now. Right. But, you know, but I'm just saying, so, you know, if you're like, what you mean is the deep cuts, Dragon Ball Z. That's what I mean. That's what I'm trying to explain. But, yeah, so Trot was your vagina.

Yeah, exactly. And I just wanted to say that in a way, I think it's a, it is in a strange way a compliment. Yeah. You know, like, it's, I don't know. Here's the thing. You never want to see the person get hurt. Here's the thing, I will say. And I, look, I, I, I, I support the people, the people in Gaza, you know, stop bomb, can we stop bombing?

You know, like, this is enough. Yeah. You're called it, I don't know what it is. If it's not just, I don't know what it is. Let's just say it that way. It's a horrific thing. So don't get twisted like that. I mean, you know, but that being said, but a lot of, you know, the people on the left

would probably go and you demonize Muslims, whatever, a lot of other people that you support also, not all Muslims, but a lot of, there's not just Christian. or Charlie Kirk type people who you'd have this kind of diametric opposition to is my point. Right. It's like it's like it's it is from your I get I empathize with your perspective

but also like you know don't act like it's got it's that you're destined to like have this like you know life or death struggle. I mean it's just I look politics are messy the whole thing's messy I don't know the answer. It's also just it's just so strange to me that people aren't considering like

consider all the possibilities. like, what if Israel did do this? Like, like, I'm saying, like, it's like, okay, you're celebrating his death because he demonized the people in Gaza. Right. But what if your enemy ended his life because he was going to change his position on them? Right. Like, like, it's, there's, there's, I'm not saying that's what happened. Right.

But, like, it's, it's like, in this kind of society where there's, where there's all kinds of crazy disinformation. And we're so conspiratorial. You can never be completely certain. We're so, and that's part of the, and that's part of the thing, too. That's part of what they do intentionally. You know, they design these systems that way. Right, yeah, exactly. Go watch, if you haven't seen, we've talked about many times, like Adam Curtis's hypernormalization

when he describes, you know, the way Russia was kind of like set up this way, and Putin's, you know, rise in his era. And like, and the idea that, you know, you have these, like, basically, at a certain point, I forget the name of his press secretary, where we could, or propaganda minister, whatever the fuck you call it. but the idea was that no we're going to basically it's going to be this is going to be the situation you're never going to know when something happens is something that we did or is there actual attack or the actual terrorist attack or is a government agitation you just don't and it's not that you like well we're trying to trick you what we want to achieve is that you don't know that's the whole point right is that you don't know that you can never know that it's this kind of like amorphous thing yeah that just that's just kind of like a morphous thing yeah that just kind of exists and you can never like know when you're like playing into something not playing it just it's just it's just it's the height of uncertainty you'll you'll never know exactly how your raid is being used right and it can play and it distorts and it flow and like if you don't think we've done that i think that's pretty crazy i think we've built i think we've built an even

more a more intricate system than that right so it's like it's like okay what does that mean that Does it mean that you can never, you can never express outrage or you can never organize? Of course not. Right. Maybe not. Maybe less knee-jerk reaction on Twitter. Right. Maybe.

I know it sounds crazy. I know I sound like I'm like the Huns, you know, or I'm the Trojan horse over here. I'm like, oh, just stop knee-jerk reacting and it will get you. Yeah. But to me, it just seems like, you know, like, hey, let's just take a beat. Right. And then like, and then, yeah, maybe it would also help if people had any. kind of lens to history in any kind of way if like you know if like you know if they if they

didn't stop caring immediately about things because you go well we don't do it now we'll never do it well that shouldn't be the case you should have a society where you can go like well it's way to beat and then go well we've assembled this information okay let's look at it oh yeah now well I don't know vote this guy out or whatever you know I don't think usually I don't I think it's very rare cases where the answer is political assassination. I just call me crazy. Right. Call me a radical.

If you want. You're an extremist. I'm an extremist because I feel like, you know, usually debate is probably better. Right. I don't know. I mean, we all a pussy rat is. He does not stand up for, like, what? Oh, he's so fat and he smells weird.

That's why we don't listen to him. That's the aliens. I mean, those aliens are going to make a movie about me one day. They're going to construct, like, a whole narrative, like, as if I'm Jesus. Not literally, but in the way we have to, like, kind of piece together Jesus' life from, like, these different accounts. That's going to be these, remember, we started the episodes talking about the aliens, you find my records? Whatever. Yes, yeah, I do.

Okay. What's the matter? Does this make you nervous at all about doing live podcasts? Well, you don't, we haven't done one. I mean, like, I'd be nervous about people not showing up. Did you book something? I'm available. I'll just do a segue here.

I found this passage from the Bible. Is that okay? Of course, yeah. Okay. People are you on the Bible? You want to need to read this shit in the shows? Don't call the Bible shit. I mean, I just.

mean like this is shiz um that's fine but jesus spoke to them at once don't be afraid he said take courage i am here then he climbed into the boat and the wind stopped they were totally amazed for they still didn't understand the significance of the miracle of the loaves their hearts were too hard to take it in now it wasn't perfectly aligned with what we're talking about but dude there's something there their hearts were too hard to take it and that's just a miracle you saw Jesus split a bunch of loaves in half

it's the kind of thing you should be able to take in right like oh this is great now I mean you told us it would be a Messiah but you didn't tell us there'd be bread no maybe they did I don't read the whole you know Old Testament but the point is it's nice a nice thing and I still my heart's too hard

even then your heart can be too hard to accept it people need to you know lighten up but this seems too trite uh cool it down cool it down tone it down as a great american one said yes tone it down um I'll tell you who didn't tone it down there's this I mean everyone knows all of Batman there's a whole if you go back into the old episodes if you whatever there's you know I have all these Batman's figures that would have I go look at this Batman I got look at that badger man you know remember you know right yeah yeah yeah you had a lot of cool

badmands and one of them was the Red Hood which is the original Jason Todd who's a second Robin who got murdered by the Joker famously and then he came back years later as a vigilante of sorts and uh I I forget which episode what you can find it so they aren't the thumbnails I don't know to tell you but apparently there's a new story we're not new they released um is there like a headline

here we should i can't see anything here oh sorry yeah so do you see ends red hood comic after writer's charlie kirk comments right which is uh what what did this person say i forget what red hoods is vigilante they just released that issue one a couple days ago i guess um and now they've canceled it because of the charlie kirk so it even affects the batman universe that's how it'll you mean what do they have a master debater character in that too what because of the sapar thing oh i forgot right well that's yeah um what was it anyway yeah but yeah so here's uh here's some of the things uh this person said thoughts and prayers you nazi bitch that seems yeah like what are you doing

hope the bullets okay after touching charlie kirk that just seems i mean honestly like it's not It's just not even good. The people making the case about like, well, you didn't care about gun violence, at least they're making a point. This is just like, this is just very aggressive. And look, you feel a certain way, it's fine. People just don't like. And again, it's like you know people are kind of in a very kind of scattershot

and premature and irresponsible way or trying to pin this on trans people. Right. And like, and you're an empowered, well, employed public trans person. It's just so... Oh, is it a trans person? It's just, yeah. Okay.

Yeah, no, it just seems, it seems he's like, I don't have, I don't have much you can take away from me, I feel like. I still feel like in Pell's all like, you know, at least think about what, you know, it's just, Hey, you go to hell, Bernie Hellcock, like, oh. Yeah. It doesn't seem like, you know.

How about we all act like we're adults? Right. We're adult people in the world. What happened to being adults? Is that the most Is that the truest thing you could possibly say? It's just so funny to hear you say that As you're wearing that ridiculous outfit

So I'm uncommon Do they look like a 12 year old? It's like well thank you I guess I mean like I didn't think I could pull Do I really look like a 12 I mean Or maybe said to have a dress like a 12 year old Do you have a youthful dress like me You have a youthful appearance

Your cheeks are very rosy Tell that to Hollywood I'm trying to get in the pictures But you know These people Uh You're just You're a supple skin to use

Right I mean Well what is it Michelle Obama says When we go low When we when we When they go low When they go down And don't look at my

Something like that And uh You know I'm just saying There needs to be some appeal We're just like Can we just be Can we maybe should not

wearing suits again Maybe we should have How about we tried that? Yeah. You can say whatever you want in America, but you got to wear a suit. And Jordan Pearson would love that. He used to wear those wacky suits he loves. Why can't we get, can we look, whoever is, by the way, in lieu of liking is describing this episode.

Because we all just somehow tagged Jordan Peterson and say Raycom, we'd love to talk to you in the show about your suits. Don't harass the man. I don't know where, I don't know where his content is. don't look it's it's gonna send the wrong impression right now Ray Kump wants to talk about suits Habitashery Whatever I like I like the way his voice sounds I'm making an evil per

Hello That's not like it sounds like Unbelievable pain But no but I think wearing suits We're kind of maybe put people Kind of like give them kind of Everyone gets a suit by the way It's a big it's a big public works program

like the new deal everyone gets a suit and uh we get to wear them and it calms everyone's nerves down everyone's ragged right now everyone feels that they have no like we're gonna wear a job in your view there they're doing this what i'm wearing imagine if i had to go if i had to go get a job at the u.s army wearing this and i try to get if i try to go to the u.s army or office and said please let me let me join and they go look at the fuck out of here and they start beating me with some kind of baton what material was that The metal? I was like, shut up.

It's carbon fiber. Pussy. Look, you probably, you probably wouldn't make the cut in the U.S. military, but.

For the French Foreign Legion. I do think it more of, you know, it's like for the coming years, you could be a great warrior. For whatever, for whatever side. I mean,

obviously you're not picking aside. Like, oh, you're so out of shape because we'll get in shape. Yeah. Whatever. That's the only answer?

I'd be like Brodie. You know, oh, he was a heroin addict. They put him back in the mix. you don't know about that yet we didn't get that far people underestimate how strong you are they do i could i could carry people on my back yeah i have done that i think i carry one of your big cousins at the wedding really yeah the tall one i know it's name i still want to say it

um and i think you might have been surprised maybe not we're all very drunk the point is uh what is my point oh you know and they look at dresses they're going to be nice you know yeah what's wrong with these things we all like we need well i believe for a long time i've i've been an advocate for a long time of female politicians wearing more gowns yeah i think you i think female politicians should have to wear a gowns yeah wear a gown to a debate and it's a gown budget like you your office gets a budget it's humiliating to try and squeeze yourself into like a man-inspired pants suit right when you're a woman when you're when you're when you're a vivacious woman i'm saying when you identify as a vivacious

woman you should come out to that debate stage in a gown yeah no 100% yeah yeah no you should have to wear a gown i'm sick if danger's a construct and then then let be a construct and be quiet about it yeah well there's a construct all right then wear the gown so it's no big deal then right i mean like it's just like his whole call me crazy i don't whatever the bar is i don't make myself in trouble here it can't just be that you want the dress that can't be the whole barometer. And if you don't understand what I'm saying by that for another day

for another day tune into more cumps. Although my opinions cryptically come out like a snake. Like a centipede. But no, like a beautiful gown. And look, I do think we should stop Congresswomen and congressmen from being able to enrich

themselves through insider trading. As a tradeoff, you get a bit of a habitatory budget or a gown budget. You get You get some nice suits. We make you look nice. All right. We dress you up. Yeah.

Like Barbies and G.I. Joe's. I think everyone in Congress should have to be in the military. Like immediately you automatically become an officer in the military and you wear like crazy colonel outfits. Or old admiral outfit. Like whatever Captain Crunch wears, you know? Right.

Like it'll be, it'll be a branch of the military called the congressional military. It doesn't do anything. I'm not breaking potty comitatis, okay? Do you know who that is? What's that? It's that rule that says you can't have armed troops.

Like, you know, the army can't be on American soil. Oh, okay. And we're breaking potty comitatis with going to D.C. I'm not, they're in national guards. I'm not sure if that's true. But, yeah, that's why, like, you know,

Delta Force, there's people who say Delta Force, hostage rescue team in the FBI, the guy We were going to get, you know, some people said, I don't know if it's true that there would just be Delta Force guys and they'd be like, well, no, technically we were at HRT. You know what I'm saying? Like, because you can't, you have that rule. Right. We can't just have the military, you know, domestically.

After that 11, we had, you know, guys with guns and like, they were basically the military, but they were national guard, I guess, at Penn Station and stuff like that. I remember that. Right. Those were fun times. I'd be like, I would be like, hello. I would go, I think I just kind of look at them. And go, look at their gun. And they go, and just give them an odd.

It's cool. It's cool seeing a gun up close. Guns are cool if you, you know, in the right context. Yeah. At Penn Station, is my point. I'm just saying there should be an air of civility. We should bring back duels. Dules, yeah, I mean, I don't really see.

I don't know what the moral argument is against letting people duel each other. You know, especially if they're following the rule where you go, you go out to somewhere remote. Yeah. in a modern time there could be a dueling alley just in a way as a bowling alley right it could be set up for that you know

and even back in the day like even at the height of duels yeah a lot of the time they didn't go through with them I think it was a very common thing to shoot up in the air or whatever it was just almost a litmus test of how bad the insult was

right to challenge someone to it sure even the famous name Barry Lyndon like I believe Bulling Lord Bullying team misfires and then Barry you know, Redmond Barry shoots into the air. Right.

This is, this is him and he's, he's a philand, he's some kind of, he's a, what they call those guys, an adventurer? I like,

I like, I like it when an adventurer meant that you were like, sleeping with someone's, some rich guy's widow. You know? That's what adventurer used to mean, apparently.

But whatever, he was an Irish rogue and, uh, but you shoot in the air. And then, but then Bullington took the opportunity to, you know, like a rat to fire at him again.

But, you know, a lot of times you just end that you both fire in the air whatever right just saying there's a historical controversy about whether or not uh hamilton was planning to fire into the air oh right i was thinking about the play i'm saying i hate that play but yeah yeah it's it's terrible lima maranda no good that's my opinion i don't look enough people giving you i didn't like it either enough people have glazed lima morander over the years that i don't like it hurts anymore for me to go not for me but yeah

no Hamilton shot in the air and burr like a little rat shot him anyway well well you know it's controversial I mean Burr I remember reading this Gorvidal novel

amazing novel called Burr that's about the American Revolution from Burr's perspective and you know his is because it's Gorvadol kind of writing through him

he's kind of a naughty boy sure with Gorvado a real saucy character yeah he's like a kind of a saucey character Yeah, he's like a hot of a saucy liberal. And then burr-bedded this hoe. Burby betting hoes back then. A lot of founding fathers take strays in this novel.

Right. But like, you know, he actually has a pretty moving monologue in it where he's explaining why he shot Hamilton. Yeah. And kind of trying to come to terms with why he did it and basically saying, like, I thought this guy was going to kill me. like I thought there's a duel though I thought that my my little see at doja

was gonna grow without a father but but the duel here's what's confusing about it was it kind of because it's kind of I was talking about with Barry Lyndon

was like one of those things where you I think you flip for who goes first or whatever and then you go I go you go I go right was so I don't

but I think that's Can we look that up real quick? It's hard to look up. Because if that makes sense if it's like we're both, well, no, because what we're described, what you're described, it makes sense if they're both firing at the same time. Right. If that's the case, then, like, all right, yeah, like, I'm not, I'm not assuming the guy's

not going to shoot me. Right. But, yeah. And that's something to do with him adjusting his eyewear, like, or something. Like, like, this guy looks like he's aiming. So Hamilton was, like, putting on his reading glasses to, like, read some speech about how we like you know you look you know we should bury the hatchet and bird

just shot him in the eye and he goes I thought he's going to kill me I mean that's that's that's he's a real one I guess you think you know I wonder if he'd be on hot ones if he was alive today the show that show with the chicken wings the show about eating chicken wings

but go on um sorry he's a bird so he uh I mean like I you know I don't know I don't know why I'm bringing any of this up. No, because I brought up duels, yeah. No, I made this happen. I'm the blame.

Yeah, look, there's got to be a better way to kind of, you know, well, just kind of coexist and something to do with your anger. Maybe mountain climbing. Maybe we make sure put rock walls. There needs to be better, need more stuff for people. We need more things People need material wealth again It can't just all be AI

It can't be these crypto Lunatics About crypto lunatics I mean I'm specifically referring to crypto The AI stuff more These tech guys Just going blah We're going to have AI

You can't do nothing about it I mean it seems to be the way it's going But give people back At least some decent TV There aren't even any good shows out I mean what if it's just a watch Wednesday for child

it's a show for children I was I yeah I've heard the the trap is good people love Wednesday yeah I look I get it we all love like middle age people yeah I get they're heavily invested in Wednesday

I understand well you know they're still invested for Jenny Ortega got her bucle fat removed I don't know I mean I try not to understand what but I feel like it's a tragedy when women do that I mean a girl from the boys did that too. Why is this? I mean, I had this theory. Should we show a picture?

She could if you Google it. Oh, yeah, you did. Honestly, this was a very good theory. I have, so, look, can we bring up the Jenny Ortega thing? Look, this also could be a hoax. Maybe she was going to a costume party in the middle of August. I don't know. But this is Jenny Ortega, who people

have said is attractive. And this is her after book. I mean, it does seem like a weird monster makeup thing. If this is actually what she looks like, and I'll put a caveat there, if that's actually, you know, people aren't just running with this story, spiritually, like I am, um, it doesn't look better. The bucle fat removal. And there's also the girl from the boys. And I have a feeling, go, why would these women just like, I mean, it's some kind of like

dysphoria, some kind of bulimia type thing, right? And you go, maybe they just, they were never that attractive to begin with. I'm sure they were fine, you know? Yeah. But, you know, I'm sure they were fine But my point no But I'm saying is like the idea that they were like You know They need to get that boogal fat removed to be like a top But like a 10

Or whatever Hollywood 10 Like they do kind of start out with those With a little bit of like chipmong cheek Right And they get they get just enough sucked out To become cute Right

But then they're like I need to keep going Maybe divets come out Maybe maybe like things Maybe maybe maybe it grows back but then when you keep trying to remove it it also like maybe every time you remove Buckel and I'm not a doctor you got to understand that I'm not a doctor

but maybe every time you remove Bucal fat the way they do it takes a little bit of the muscle with it I mean this makes no sense physiologically probably no totally I mean it's probably like Botox the way people go over the way like somebody like Joan Rivers back in the day went overboard with Botox

right like you know you can go overboard with a sucking all the fat out of your choice. Right, well, I'm not, the problem of me, thank you for saving me, but I'm going to dump right back into it. The problem of me is I'm not content to say that. I have to find a causal relationship. So I'm saying that every time you take a little boogle fat, you're also taking muscle, and at a certain point, the muscle goes away, and it can't, and your face just collapses. That's my rest, my theory. I think that, I think, I love saying boogle fat. Honestly, I would love for us both to get a ton of boogle fat. Just, just a

Just as a bit. Please, please. I don't want to be... I just want to know what we look like. This is a... I don't want to monetize the Bible, and I won't. But that being said, I don't want to be one of those podcasts or content creators or influencers or whatever you want to call me, heroes who beg for money. We have a Patreon, but, you know, you have extra episodes every week, five bucks a month.

It's a nice trade. Everyone seems to like it who does it. I don't know. This is something else. Please pay for our Google fat to be removed. Please give us as much money as you can. We need to get rid of this Bucal fat. This Bucal fat is ruining our lives.

Do you understand? This Bucal fat is making me crazy. It's making me sad. And I can't have self-confidence with all this goddamn Bucle fat. Nobody is ever going to listen to us. The country will never be healed. I'm a moderating voice. Don't you understand?

I could heal the nation if people listen to me, but they won't listen to me with all this Bucle fat. There's too much boogel fat God damn it Why doesn't they want to understand this? I'll Maybe I'll go into debt If you people won't do it

I'll go into debt and do it myself But then don't expect me To heal the nation And this show is going to get darker and darker If that's to happen Maybe that's what's happening Maybe everyone who's getting so agitated He's like, no, I paid my own

Bougal fat to get removed You know, screw y'all You know that's an expression of people you know it's just God you would look insane with your vocal fat removed

I can't stop imagining it Is vocal fat type of fat or is it just face fat It's yeah it's face fat It's what makes your cheeks You know chubby and youthful Okay yeah

Just get me made me make me Gond maybe look like James Woods please I want to be James Woods I want to be Lester Diamond over here Lester Diamond hands You know I'll bet on crypto

I will heal the nation I will heal the world If you take my Bucl fat away God I'll be I'm gonna kneel in the Garden of Gisemite And believe Remember they said Jesus I see if I can find it

It's too big I can't find it I was gonna try to find the passage where Jesus bleeds He's praying so hard oh right yeah you know in the garden of just 70 I think he sweated blood oh I thought I thought it was tears of blood I'm not sure this is I think you're confusing that with with the blade runner quote oh okay was it tears like like rain tears like rain how's it go look up to look up the blade runner quote like rain like rain I just play the blade runner quote like rain I just play the blade runner not they'll probably rip us off of you too with a Warner Brothers lawsuits. I'd love to play Blade Runner right now. Like tears and rain, right?

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears and ran. It's great quotes. Rucker Howard and Blade Runner, he's a robot. He's a replicant, if you will. I reverse those. A replicant, a robot, if you will, it should have been. And he, as he, you know, he's supposed to kill Harrison Ford in that moment.

We should have, but he's suddenly, because he's about to expire anyway, and it's raining. he's just got shirt off it looks great He's like it's a fucking great looking robot He's like you know I use fucking see what I've seen I've seen fucking fires in the middle of Mars crazy shit Fucking insane shit

You don't understand what I'm talking about Right yeah yeah yeah I've seen you I fucking seen slave ships And Mars burning I'm just fucking wild And then all the other shit now I'm gonna die I'm paraphrasing a little bit I just got fucking die They have like a six year lifespan or something shit. I got to die

unless she's gone. Like tears and rain. Like tears and rain. Is that a good? Is that your what? Well, this show's not over. Yeah, maybe it is. We should have to end the show. You just stopped yet.

But that you were No, look, yeah, I don't think I'll go on another 10 minute tirade. I think, yeah, we'll wrap. We'll wrap this up, I guess. And to summarize, it's up to you, America, remove my boogl fat. Ball's in your court, baby. But only regards, the boogel fat. I don't mean the violence. Don't do violence. Help the world take us seriously. Yes. By paying for our bucle fat removal. If you want a moderating voice in the world, you have to pay for it. I'm so, you know, that's the thing moderates don't usually tell you or, you know, people who want to be a healing force. Healers don't, you know,

oh give me oh because it's very easy to go if you want to win this war you gotta pay yeah you gotta pay for it if you want if you want things to be nice and calm maybe pony up get my boogl fat on my face all right stay safe out there and

you know try to be okay have a great night Thank you.