Kump - Ep. 230 WORLD WAR DEMONS

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Ray and Lucy spiral through bullet-carving maniacs, bungling terrorists, greasers that never came back, CIA furry propaganda, witches hexing Charlie Kirk, and whether demons might actually run society. From Morocco drone surveillance to World War 4 cyber-hellscapes powered by crushed demon bones.

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carving, anything. I don't care if it's their name. I don't care if it's a Declaration of Independence into a bullet. You tell someone. There isn't, I mean, I don't know how to explain it. I grew up in a time when people, you know, the thing they did with the bullet was the mess.

They didn't write it on the bullet. That's how people felt back when I was growing up in the 1920s. We didn't buy, you know, bullets, you know, I think people used to think bullets said enough, but not anymore. You got to send the message, apparently, according to these people, I don't agree, but that's why we need to band together. And you have to tell someone, if you were at the grocery store, and you see some, some questionable teen, some disaffected youth, some woman who wants health care. You know, you're talking about, oh, I can't afford my insurance. I wish the government would help keep an eye. They might be writing on bullets.

It's not going to be limited. That's the message I'm getting all over. From everyone who will get in front of a microphone, these bullets are like codexes. They're like the Rosetta Stone for extremists. And countries don't got no place for extremists. It's too much going on. We just can't have people writing, you know, like their MySpace profile and firing it through a rifle and then causing carnage and horrible tragedies.

All right? I don't care how much easier it makes the investigation. I don't care how much simpler it makes it, you know? And these messages, they're only going to get longer. Yeah, we don't need copycats. We don't need like, you know, guys firing just, you know, a few extra shots into us a cement. What is going on, by the way? Are we able to read the bullets after they go in or, you know, through something?

Or is it only the unspent cartridges? It's just odd to me. I would, if you're going to, like, why are you bringing, like, the idea that you would bring so many to a site to do with your dirty deeds, you know? And this guy, I mean, he had a whole manifesto. He did have a manifesto. This is the guy with the ice facility. And tragically, you know, sorry to the people who lost their lives. and I'm glad no ice agents lost their lives.

I really do. You know, take it easy on it. Well, I mean, the two detainee has died. No, I said, I'm sorry. I'm glad no ice agents did. You know, and I'm, well, look, I can, I, I said I'm sorry for it. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, like you're trading lives. I didn't, I, well, look, don't ask me a moral question.

Like, who was this? The devil went down to Georgia, whatever, the fiddle? I'm not, I guess, we don't need these, like, you know, trolley cart questions. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, just glad the federal agents are okay and I mean that you know everyone they're not a little bit of a bad route I get it for a minute I'm like why don't they why they're always wearing a mask and this like I'm not you know I'm not gonna apologize for them for everything I'm sure a couple of you know some stuff's going but they've been doing it since like

the INS days apparently they've been not wearing they've been wearing they have to operate in their own hometown if I had to like live in the town like go back in my hometown and podcast there or by the popular podcast I wouldn't want to go around in the supermarket you know and be like why did you say that thing about the bullet carving I'm like I don't know I guess I'm just getting a pound of turkey please

you know and these guys it's like I get it it doesn't excuse everything nothing excuses anything that's how it is about just stop writing things on bullets and then firing it on people if this guy was trying if everything they say

is true about this guy yeah that is one of that is one bungling terrorists. I mean, like going out there to shoot three ICE agents and then shooting two detainees. You almost couldn't do a worse job from your own perspective. I mean. That was your goal. I mean, and people are owning him on Twitter.

And it just feels, and I'm not a suspicious guy. Hmm. You know, I'm not skeptical. But it almost seems like, it's like when you, it's like trying to make fun of a guy who like, you know, shits his pants at a wedding like a video I'm a dunk on him he didn't really dunk on himself

I mean you know I'm not saying an assassination is a dunk don't accuse me of being the insensitive man Did he shoot himself with the anti-ice bullet I think that was intact

They say it was carved I don't know But some people are saying it was written in blue pen I don't know I don't know Early days I don't think you should bother people

who sell trophies, engrave rings. I'm not saying you should, you know, I don't, but, you know, keep an eye out. I hopefully, like, you know, they get like a Tommy Lee Jones from the fugitive type guy to go to every outhouse, ring engraving, trophy store, you know,

beer fantasy football league, anyone with an engraving mechanism. Is that what they do? Are you doing, like, calligraphy into the bullets? I didn't think, When the tragedy with Charlie Krippur's happened, I didn't, I was like, this is horrible, and you just sense it. It's like, it's just like, it's going to be a hard, it's horrible for him and his family. Yeah.

And it's just, it's going to be bad for the country. It's going to, like, a real terrorist apart kind of vibe. Hopefully it doesn't. But, you know, well, it remains to be seen. Now, what didn't occur to me was that so much of our lives now will be interpreting bullets, like the actual bullets, not the caliber. I mean, I don't think anyone has told us the type of bullet with Charlie Kirk

with a hollow point or was a full metal jacket. I haven't heard that. I haven't heard that. I feel like people are debating. Not everyone, some people are debating whether or not it should have got, you know, whether it would just X amount of damage. Here we're there.

Should it, you know, should have gone, you know, with that size bullet should have blown up his neck instead of, you know, all sorts of people were debating. And like, you would think we would know that. Because that makes a big difference. Like a hollow point will kind of expand and do more internal damage.

while a full metal jacket will go right through. Like in theory, a lot of variables, of course. And I'm not a gun expert. But yeah, but we know, but we know, but we know, like the information, that would be useful information. Now, it's always useful to have it, you know, to know what the killers do, right? Mm-hmm. But it's just strange.

I would think more calibers and bullet type versus, you know, um, hopes and dreams and hate, you know, in a bullet when we found the bullets. Right. You know what I mean? it seems like a strange like a especially in a world in a time where you can record a video of yourself describing

why you did this. Right. You know, you can write a post, send it out before you go. I mean, there are so many ways to express yourself before you commit a horrible deed like this. I mean, people were skeptical while he wasn't on X.com or Instagram

or whatever, but apparently they say, well, he's on Discord. Okay. I mean, I don't know. He's on blue sky. Right. He's on LinkedIn. You don't know. You can never know what the youth are. I think it's always important for them.

I don't know who I mean. But it's important. You know, it's always hard when the shooters are these better young. Because this guy was 40 or whatever. You go, well, we kind of have, you know, A, he's got more of a foot. But we kind of people have, the general public has a better sense of what he's about. No one knows what these zoomers are into. They're all like, you know, I mean, there's a furry, we don't like, these overlapping furry culture.

and then the groping and the and the and the other and then you have the the the trad cats and the and then the and then the greasers it just seems like you know it's a lot of it's they'll be greasers soon they'll be i'll come back i don't know why maggie didn't tap hasn't tapped into the greaser thing yet i feel i mean do they think it was too on the nose i feel like maga is like fine being on the nose and that's not an insult i've made my entire career very unprofitable by not being on the nose enough I didn't mean that. So, you know, I respect the hat design. I wish I could be, I would have been like, oh, maybe the font. And I would have been like, you know, let me, maybe they get a big, and I would never, I mean, maybe I would release it five years after I lost the election. I don't know how to do certain things.

So, you know, respect. But I don't know why they don't invoke the font or James Dean. I guess James Dean is the more, like, the more cool version of the font. Did he really just exist? I mean, were there real greasers? Are these things based on a real thing, or are they, do they, does this image come from, uh, the pony boys and the, no, I, well, I think, I think it's real to an extent. I think, uh, I think, uh, I think leather jackets were just, you know, uh, I think something to do with bomb in Japan and we got a bunch of, you know, and then leather became cheap. I don't know the correlation. It's probably something to do with that, right? Right. Um, guys who, like, Elvis probably. It's like, and then, like, something to do with the beat poet guys. But like, he's like, oh, but like, you know, but like, you know, So what's this Ginsburg guy? What's he into?

Ugh. Can we strip this away and just like this whole thing? And, you know, and make a little more streamlined. Henry Winkler, come in here. Sit on it. I know. That's all of culture.

The people who push culture are not the people you want doing culture. And that's kind of a, plays into the whole thing what they use. Like, you know, these guys, you know, the avant-garde, I think, used to be more, you know, like we say avant-garde when you make, like, when someone wears, like, a, hamburger as a hat at Fashion Week.

So avant-garde. But I believe that came from, like, communism or something, right? Or the whole revolutionary error. You went to political vanguard. Like, if someone tells you to the political vanguard, I don't know. Maybe go, you know, make new plans. Tell them you don't need to be hanging out with people in the political vanguard. It's just, they're locked in.

If you're not locked in, don't hang out with people who are locked in. They'll just be on their phone the whole time And you don't know what they're doing or what they're saying And that's fine, it's America But then they're not paying attention to the movie They're not paying attention to To weapons They go, well, what's this thing with the witch and the kids?

It's like, I don't know, I'm trying to watch the movie I don't explain it to you because they'll put your head up Do you know, I'm just a little bit of a tangent Right, yeah I'm just saying they don't make the best political vanguard people But yeah, you're right, like these youth a lot of them they seem to be defined by

you know, they're wayward They don't have, they're undercooked They're undercooked, they're underfed But still, but overcooked by By like weird little subcultures They didn't get to go to their junior high prom And I mean this, like, we didn't realize how like How much we used, look, I'm guilty of this

We looked at the past And we looked at like structures, right? And we go, who is all, again, the fit, like what we're talking about, the 50s and the whole, the Greek, we said, the greasers were a post-war artifice, you know, it was post-war propaganda. The American exceptionalism is a myth. But you need this stuff. You need someone constantly pumping you up and telling you that you're part of the, you know, the war effort or the, you know, the anti-communism. You know, without that, you know, you get 20 years of good music and it all goes to hell, you know? I'm not sure the tradeoff was worth it. So, I'm just saying, what was that response to? I was just saying, I go up to rails every second of the time. But you're right. Like, they used to, kids used to get groomed.

Right. But they used to get groomed with kind of like a full identity. Like, I'm the anti-conformist guy. Right. I'm the one who's going to go on the road and go west. Oh, you're not a conformist. You should write for the New Republic. Oh, yeah.

Rich kids, you know. That's the thing. It's like, oh, you're an artist, which is meant. you were going to, like, you know, sell, you know, you're going to do Coca-Cola ads, you know, and then, whatever. But that was just the people grooming you, it's just like, here's there's a man in a dog costume. Does this make you hard?

Right. It's like, you know, do with that what you will, I guess. Well, you, what about all you know. Right. Like, all the actual artists in the past were like CIA kids, like the kids of CIA agents. Yeah, now it's like, yeah, it's like, we're actually, which we're, like, because of social media,

were allowing, like, the actual youth of America, not the children of case officers who overthrew Nicaragua or whatever, with actual kids who have been bombarded with this crazy propaganda that isn't, like, as nefarious as you think. It's just horribly untested, and is that for money. Yeah.

It's just a bunch. I mean, the CIA is really a loose collection of guys. It's kind of like Goldman Sachs, but the money ceilings, like, lower, but you do get to, like, topple some government sometimes and it feels cooler you get a gun

I'm not sure we get to carry it all the time but you know Goldman Sachs you can't have a gun but you can't carry it around in like you know Cuba we're getting lost in the woods here point is yeah you get these kids

and they're just kind of like they've gone crazy now and some of them are just screaming on social media that's the idea because I think there's not enough to go around you would think there was enough land

but who knows what's going to happen with the goal global warming and the, you know, the coastlines might recede because of global warming. So really the safest thing is just for all the rich people to kind of buy up all the land and push everyone else into like one state. That's the most pragmatic thing, I think. That's what seems to be the vibe over the next 50 years. They can use AI, robots, all that kind of thing.

And then, you know, we're just going to be, you know, they're going to be like, look, they're just being safe here. And so the idea is, I think, there's kind of pivoting. people onto like ranting and tweeting and and slurping and and meowing you know for the furry stuff right yeah the furry stuff can be fine I mean I don't the sexual aspect of it you know eludes to me but just a bunch of dudes walking around like like with dog masks going woo-hoo right I mean I'm not saying I couldn't get into it a couple beers you know it's like if they say someone supposed to grab my crotch Like, all right, no, no, that's not what this is.

You do you. You know, if I was at a wedding and they were forming a congline and they were handing out a dog masks and leather collars, you know, you don't want to be a... You act like it's crazy. I mean, are you too young to remember who let the dogs out? That song was that, that song was astronomically big. Who let the dogs out?

Who? You know, and when loved it, don't tell me you don't, like, you know, I don't, you go, I'm not a furry. you're not for, don't tell me you don't kind of, you know, there's an entry point of understanding here, you know, it's what I'm saying? Maybe someone needs to bridge the gap. Maybe I could be, maybe I could, and maybe that's how we can make some money finally, is I can maybe kind of pivot people, just, just, you know, be a furry, but you can also,

like, deliver foods the elderly while you're doing it. Yeah. Imagine if you were, like, a service animal as a man. Interesting. And I don't want me servicing in a nasty sense, if you don't know what I mean. Do you know what I mean? Maybe Prostitution

Before you go any further Can you please like and subscribe And comments and say how much you love it If you do, I don't want you lying You know, but if you do like You just don't feel shy You know, right What animal would you be

In a platonic furry You know, collegiate environment In a secular Plotonic furry propaganda exercise. And don't act like you don't have

an answer. Right. Because everybody everybody has some kind of answer for what animal they would be. We have,

you know, we have... It's not that different. I hate picking favorites more than anyone like in the sense like I have a philosophical thing.

What's your favorite movie? I don't like that pick. Everyone knows what it is. Well, I don't actually think of them. But I have one. It's just whatever, it's whatever you would think.

Like, it's like, don't think about it. What is it? There you go. Mm-hmm. And I can pick it. And I would be a sloth.

A sloth? I would be a sloth. A sloth furry. I don't think I've seen that one yet. Right, because look, it's not the most, I don't think we're working in a, in the bedroom. Again, like another one of these, one of these lifestyles. Right. That it's oddly conformist within its boundaries.

Yes. Like, it's like we're doing something radically different from what other people do sexually. Right. But we're all basically a dog. We're all puppies. Hey, if you got to go, you go in a giant litter box. We're not animals. I thought we were.

I'd be that guy. I'd be the guy ostracized from the furry party. I thought we were animals. Well, we're housebroken. I'm getting old, though. Sometimes when dogs get old, they kind of lose the housebroken part, right? I'm role-playing here. But I think a sloth would be really good.

I mean, you would really shake things up with a furry sloth outfit. I think it would be great. I would kind of pretend to hook to walls. I'd be like, I would just be kind of, me. You know, people would have to kind of move me around. It can't just be the bad Like you gotta have those crazy long arm Yeah

Oh no it's gonna be old Well at the very least I mean I kind of like the idea of being The furries web is just a mask And then the hand thing It's the gloves When you start When you start putting it on like a Barney costume

It kind of It loses the vitality of the youth It just feels like a bunch of I'm just assuming everyone's like 60 years old Inside Which is I'm again I don't care But it's just I don't want to I don't need to be hanging out with like you know

If it's not if it's not helping my street cred um that that's not a good demo it's not a good advertising demo 65 year old man who dresses like barney that's they don't they don't buy i don't know what what is the thing that like that's such a coveted thing right 18 to 35 year old male i think he's one the big ones women are also very big i don't know what they're so is it doritos and red bull and like monster energy drink i don't know what they always talk about that like if you have any interest in like ratings which I don't I'm not like I think there's

so much larping about you know people's ratings nowadays whatever yeah we're getting off the woods here there's also Patreon patreon patreon.com so it's Raycom you get an extra episode every week that's see that's just that's just the ad you know I mean you know

I feel other people are like hey buy by life life life prison buy life prison so you can keep your life in the prison so no one can steal it from you do you feel like your life is getting away from you will put it in prison we're life prison and i don't do that you know why because they won't pay me to do it one day one day god willing oh so what we what we

we were talking about your birthday is coming up very exciting that's right and i'm very excited for and you have uh you have you have i told you to come up with something that you know to get you I've given you plenty of I've given you plenty of gifts in the past They were good You gave you've given me lots of wonderful gifts Some of them are the most I mean I feel like I don't feel like I screwed up or anything

But you can I say Yeah sure I got you like a Kindle When the first time when the first years we were together And yes there wasn't your thing Oh she loves books and it's not but you know You never met you never know You think you have a perfect gift

She'll say it's great She'll say it now So I love it I never seen her read it once It's fine So you know Look, I don't want to be that person who's like the smell of the book or whatever, but it's, it's part of it. Yeah.

But I did like the Kindle. No, I know you like it. I'm just saying, but how, you know, I'm just trying to, I don't need people at coming at me in the comments going, why don't you come up with your own idea for a wife, gift for your wife's birthday. You're a piece of shit. Is the magic gone? Is the romance gone? You have to, what is you have an Amazon wish list? Is that what I'm saying now?

Amazon wish list. God. Hey, Jeff Bezos, give me some money. Amazon.com. So I'm just preempting those people. Don't worry. A lot of what I do is strategic and I know what people are going to

try and attack me on. But yes, you have to... You know, it makes sense. You're a very conscientious gift giver. Yeah. So I'm just going to take it easy on you this year. I'll just tell you what I want. Sure.

I would like a surveillance drone. Ooh. A surveillance... Not just a drone. Every family needs. one interesting so not just a drone but surveillance yeah is it are you looking for military grade or can it be the ones that you know I'd like to be of the spy on a country not not not wow I'm not looking to you know circumvent a major country's security apparatus

sure but maybe a small country oh so you want I mean who's talking about a serious I don't know if I could afford that I just like to keep my eye on I'm one people I think these things usually have like a 10 mile distance radius or something or maybe maybe even a hundred but that's i mean canada's like even canada's like we're more like a thousand miles away from us right or less i don't know i don't know how geography works but you all right i'll see what i can do i'll look into it i'll help us out if you know anywhere and get i mean i'm sure that might be illegal to ask hey where am i got a military raid drone a spy on other countries i think you're i think you're you're in danger of breaking the Logan Act

or for the espionage act at least I imagine if you if you got put in federal prison probably me actually for circumventing the Logan Act I think it's for politicians who like or something I don't know it's no good what country were you even thinking of did you lock the front door check close the garage door yep installed window sensors smoke sensors

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of their being in Morocco no nothing in particular I'm not afraid of Morocco that's the whole point so you're just imposed that's why you just know that's my will to power that's a great that's a great point

if you notice how the United States has operated for many years we don't tend to you know mess with countries that can fight back very easily against us

exactly you don't pick fights with the bigger guy so Lucy he's like no I'm gonna I'm going You're less, it's less about recon and more about like, you want to be the big brother of Morocco. Yeah.

It's also just a nice way to see the world, I think. You know, it's like, you know, people, we watch, people, people are always talking about traveling on Jeopardy. Right. These Mormons who play Jeopardy. But it's, you know, and it's like, I want a little bit of that action. Every person I've met who's gone to Europe, one of these old town, like, Nice, France, Paris, all these old, towns, these beautiful buildings and the architecture, these amazing facades. And you show me this picture, go, that's a beautiful building.

And go, yeah, but wait until I see the top of it. That's what you need. The top of the building. That's where it's at. The tops are nice. I mean, we, America, I feel like we've lost the art of tops. We're not tops in this country anymore. We're not top-heavy anymore.

And, but, you know, there are roofs over there. But we're not talking about Europe. We're talking about Morocco. What do they have there? It's like, it's like very, it's like Tunisia? I don't know. Like, is it like, it's kind of, that's what you want to get the drone for, right? Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah, because they'll show you, they'll show you a movie like a day. I feel like every episode that I bring up Jason Bourne, but like a Jason Bourne type movie where, you know, he's in Morocco and they'll say it's Morocco, but then actually they shot it in like Hungary. I was like, oh, so what you get there and Morocco just looks like, you know, New Jersey and like, well, this is not what, so look at drones can be. very good for that, I agree. And it's just a way to put yourself out there. It's a way to say, I'm here. I'm, I'm, I'm an entity.

Right. You'll never see me. I'm like a shadow. Like a spirit. It's best to think of me as a spirit realm. Right. I can get to you, but you can't get to me. It is, it is like a, I feel like that's a lot of, um, there's a big push for that.

with spirits you know spirits yeah like Megan Kelly was so because you know oh yeah more more people talking about demons now right I don't know if it's directly because of the Jezebel artist of Jezebel I think I don't think I brought it up and it actually falls into what we're talking about

I think we've been hacked by a very powerful hacker like a government hacker because our right for this episode we can't really play archival stuff because the whole that computer is like the internet works everywhere else but not that someone downloaded a packet it because of you know maybe stuff we said they didn't like who who who could it be I don't

know but the point is so but so I can't play it but what was I talking about I swear to god demons demons right so I but there was a true you I'm sure many people have seen it the Jezebel article that came out with a few days before this tragic shooting where they were they put a hex on Charlie Kirk I guess we got some witches in death they put a heck no I think before Oh, before it happened. Right, was it about Charlie himself? You know I'm talking about, right? The Jezebel article?

I actually hadn't seen that one. But, okay, so some witches put a hex on Charlie Kirk. Yeah. Let me just pull it up so I'm not like, you know, slandering people three weeks later. Yeah, everyone else already covered this and I'm just like, I'm getting the facts wrong. Let's see. Jezebel. I remember this coming up after Trump got elected the first time.

Oh, is this something they do all the time? Certain people, certain women of the Wiccan community were putting hexes on them. Right. Yes. So here is this. Erica, this is for the, Erica Kirk generally rattled after Jezebel paid witches on Etsy to curse husband Charlie two days before he was assassinated. Wow. Now, I saw that day up, and I'm not someone who tends to be very much.

Like, my, my eyes always go to the, to the temporal realm. you know I tend to focus on the demons who are alive and flesh but you know and you know you can accuse me of being you know whatever you want heathen non-believer for just missing that sometimes but maybe there is something too I don't know enough weird things of

there's not weird coincidences and and patterns in the world and like one of two things is possible either a small group of like we don't take a multinational small group of people control who are wealthy. Don't get me wrong. Many countries, but rich people.

Rich people control most of what's happening behind the scenes. That's one. Or there's angels and demons. And it might be both. It could be a little bit of both. Have you ever been a ghost boy? Do you believe in ghosts at all? No.

No. Not at all. Well, I used to be very much. like religiously paranoid. I've talked about this a lot, you know, where I would like just pray compulsively if anything came up. Like I would live in anxiety.

And it was like, it was kind of meld with like, you know, those are a bad student. Not stupid student, but just didn't do my work. And, you know,

some people don't do their work and they still end up, you know, going to MIT. Well, I didn't go to MIT. All right. Take that for whatever it's worth.

So I would, Sunday nights were always terrible. You know, because I have this, I guess that's Catholic guilt. But also I didn't do my, homework and I would just be like oh and I would just start saying my prayers and being really nervous I would I would freak out about you know having nightmares about the katie beers thing

oh wow you know that who's a girl was kidnapped the day I was supposed to go to spaceplex I was supposed to go to spaceplex which was an arcade the same day that a girl named katie beers was kidnapped from spaceplex she wasn't though but that was a story for like a couple week or two until they found her in this dungeon this guy made it was like family friend or whatever some family friend right um and uh he never actually took her there he just made that story he like he that was a ruse but you know but regardless you know these these are traumatic things uh and i would i would compulsively pray and i like st michael leoarch angel because he's he's the one who would spear the devil and he was a big i was a big tough guy so you were always asking him

spear that devil for him i say michael say michael spear the devil was that's really cute yeah I think they came from gangs in New York, you know? Who is that? St. Michael. Oh. I think the one time I don't lisp is when I try to impress me someone who does. But yeah. I love how even when, even when you were a trial, like, praying to God.

Right. I can't imagine a thing that's more innocent. Yeah. You were just like, stab them. Stab him. Yeah, it's not like anyone train me to fight or do anything. I'm going to do it in the military. It's just more like I like to fantasize about me just latching out against the

with an hacker. Oh, so is that. So, no, but, you know, but then when I kind of got away from that, but I just kind of like, I basically at some point in my life shut down that anxiety, but also any caring about, you know, my, my material success or life or doing any homework or, you know, I just kind of, you know, made a lot of problems for myself, but, you know, but I wasn't scared anymore. How about you?

Were you a ghost person? You know, I have never seen a ghost. Yeah. Never anything even close. Right. And, but some people who I don't consider insane, you know, have claimed to have seen ghosts. Sure. You know, I figure not all of these people are suffering, like, schizophrenic episodes.

No. Unless it's just way more common than I think it is. People will look at you right in, yeah. Yeah. Right in the eyes. You know, it just kind of seems like. just from like sheer overload of anecdotes yeah it's like maybe a few of them are real maybe there's a few ghosts maybe maybe there's just like a leftover like a little blip i hear what you're saying

because people will look at you without any irony in their eyes and without that look that's you know look you know we don't know the crazy look the crazy girl look you just got that like you know spittled on her on the corner of her mouth and a little bit of glaze in her eyes not that you know not some guy who seemed like he's had a few a few trips to the few more trips to the bathroom that he might need it if you don't I mean at the birthday party just regular guys

who are sober-minded who like will tell you about like you know their experiences or how they're very surprised that you don't believe in the like metaphysical is the right word for it like you know like it's actually a realm it's almost like you could

if you could make a portal that it's happening it's not an analogy it's not something happens when you die per se they're fighting right they can be here right now it's i'm not even sure how that's supposed to work per se um but you know i've never personally invoked these demons so i don't i don't i never even even though i'm a skeptical of i never i never i never i never don't want to tempt fate in that respect yeah why mess around it's like i feel like maybe when they saw about people who don't need god or or you know whatever it's like i think some people just like when they don't have like religion they just kind of like not everything is just

it's all it's all just a big joke but i always felt they when people say like oh it's not even a yeah it's like well god can just be a higher calling i always thought it was a weird thing to say but maybe i have that because i always thought this doesn't seem like it needs the i don't think i feel like i need to request the demon the scene as a joke yeah but people do and then sometimes you know they get cursed or not. It's just very odd to me. I wonder if the witches who hexed Charlie Kerr. Right.

Did it ever, do you remember in that article if it mentioned if they felt bad when he actually died? I don't think the New York Post. Because the hex could be all kinds of things. Well, you know. Don't have a lot to, don't be, no. Do not throw our lot in with the witches who hex Charlie Kerr, please. We don't need any, like, I don't. I'm all for nuance, but I mean, come on.

We don't, that's a... I'm not trying to defend their honor. This is like trying to be like trying to defend Zarkawi the day after 9-11. It's like, you know, well, we don't know. Actually, it was Kleechik Muhammad's idea. We don't need to be part of this. I wouldn't try to defend the honor.

Right. Of women who would mess around with hexes. I think at the very least, it's nasty fixation. It's nasty business. Right. If anything, you should be, you should be focusing on all your energy on that person having a change of heart. Right. Yeah.

But, like, some good witch shit. But, right. I wonder if these people believe in good witches. Well, I mean, I do think there's like, look, if you listen to the woke culture, you listen to the people who, you know, read history at all. That it seems like a lot of this witch talk really stems out of, you know, just, not just men, but just like religious people, like, just kind of like, who's that weird, though? or like or just you got in the way like you know it was a lot it was a convenient way to kind of get people

like if you I think most people believe when they profess to believe but then if you're so that's why sociopath is no dangerous because most people can't just live the life as a lot you know and they're just sitting around going like hey how do I I'm gonna pretend to be Catholic

or whatever to like try to make people feel bad that's not their goal like you know I mean I'm not saying you know there's some religious stuff can't be hurtful other people but whatever But that's not, most people aren't that. But there's a lot of sociopaths out there. And I've encountered them lately. But, I mean, the idea is that, like, you know, you have this whole system of angels and demons and witches and butlers and, you know, whatever.

I don't know my butlers are in there, but, you know, butlers are always, I feel like they have extra knowledge, like secret knowledge. We'll get that maybe later. But the point is that, you know, that you can go, hey, like, maybe I can, if I tell everyone is this guy's, you know, wife is a witch, then, you know, makes him. look bad, too. I mean... Well, yeah. Yeah. The only the only painting is, is that, like, you know, women didn't have, like, tend to own land back then, so maybe it wasn't as, like,

you know, they probably tried to get men as, like, label as warlocks, but didn't really stick, you know? But, you know, maybe, maybe it messed with a woman, and she, and she tried to talk about, like, you know, you did something. You tried to dip it in the... Yeah, yeah, you did something nasty

for a woman, and she wasn't happy about it. And then she went to the village, the local duke, the noble. And I'm like, you know, she's obviously a witch. Things like that, right? Right. You know, so it's hard to tell from history. Yeah, and you're right. Like a man, a man probably in those times would be more likely to just like hit back, you know.

Yeah. You're saying I'm a warlock. Warlock. You're a fucking drunk. Yeah, you're a Capuchian monkey or something. I don't know what I thought of that. I guess that's what I'd be as a furry. Yeah.

I can grow a cappuccino monkey whatever they go what I don't know my uncle one was an explorer don't worry about it the woman would be more likely let's just go through the system yeah I'll be able to clear my name right um and it doesn't work I'll just be able to act reason they'll know I'm not a witch women really oh and look at let's be fair I know we can blame the patriarchy a little bit but also women historically I don't think have been the best orators they're the best debaters you know so it's fine lines sometimes how aggressive you They don't know how they're coming off hysterical sometimes. And so they go, you know, I'll just explain myself.

And it goes really poorly at the trial. And look, they'll be a little close mind if also a woman could have been a little more, you know, a little more logical, maybe, to be fair. But I mean, you know, they weren't selling Plato books in the bookstore back then. So it wasn't as widely. I think, you know, everyone's kind of evened out a little bit in modern times. Yeah. But no, but, you know, to the matter of the day, though, the war between. angels and demons and I guess sub-demons I don't know what canon demons are in the

in the Catholic religion for instance I know the saints I'm like as angels and there's different types of angels there's seraphon angels and then there's a archangels I'm sure if that's you know and then there's a guy with the sword St. Michael I think he was an archangel those are like the Delta Force the best angels and still team six you know the Eddie Gallagher's of angels and then I remember when I was reading the Brothers Karamazov, which is an Orthodox Christian narrative, there's there's a chapter in it with a bunch of where a bunch of devils take over an apiary and a in a, what do you call? I don't know what it's called, but like the place where monks stay. Oh, a monastery or abbey or something like that.

And like they're kind of like just critters. Like they're not really have personalities. just like kind of the monks the the devils oh the demons like they're just kind of like um this one's what i'm talking about he back you know like jostiski's like i think the bedbugs are demons it's like all right well it's not really helpful they are they are they are doing nuisance for sure we we impose like Cindy and the evil into them um but there's this one guy who's like um like he he uh fasts a lot yeah he does like you know he's like better at fasting than the other monks right and it makes him holier yeah and so he can see the

devils, even though nobody else can. But it's kind of like, you can't, you can't really get rid of them. He just, like, kind of notices that they're there. And I guess that helps him, like, avoid them. But you would avoid a rat. That's all we need. Look, I'm okay with these things being put into the world. Because they can kind of fill in the cracks, right?

Kind of like, you know, like Friedrich Hayek was talking about the economy. You know, how white, like, planned economies and socialism can't work. Because, you know, hey, you know, I have a ship, I have a freight ship. And I have, like, a little extra here, a little extra in this space and I can sell that, but no government is going to plan that. It's a very

short summary. But the point is demons and angels can fill those gaps spiritually. Like, hey, you can be a greaser and you can believe in America and you can believe in you know, capitalism. And mostly it's good, but what about the homeless guy? It really isn't a good answer. A lot of people

you can try to help people. Some people can't be helped. Some people, it's just a bigger thing. It's health care. You know, put them in a medical institute. It's very hard to put people in mental institutions now. because it's like it's it's a balancing act in society right for liberty versus this so maybe it would be better we just go he's just got demons so a demon tug him a demon took this man that's why he isn't like homes anymore he doesn't like homes the demon has got his head in a work he's tizzy he worked worked worked up and he's like I can't do you know the one thing I hate the most

what's that sir homes don't love homes and it's just like that might be like a better way to kind of, because look, I don't think we're going to fix anything much. We'll do here, we'll do this and that, but we've kind of gotten the world, we were better off than we were 100 years ago, mostly. Not in all ways, but a lot

of ways, they're not spiritually, I don't know, I'm not Pope, but you know, we're like materially. A lot of people are more free. They have more choices. The economics work better, the stable, at least. You know, people, I wish we could live in a plantation. I don't tell you.

I'm not the guy I don't run stuff and also I disagree but point is I think we've done anything everything good we're going to do so yeah we can use these demons as like a kind of a good

a good way to get people back on like a good footing mentally propaganda is actually useful you see it whether it were I wouldn't blame Edward Bernays for years the guy who invented the idea of propaganda basically or a modern version of it was the nephew of Sigmund Freud

I mean, I always Oh, this guy And he got people He like built this whole PR industry And use it to make war And sell war and all Yeah, yeah, yeah But I mean, you see what happens

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Chaos. Chaos. The demons can save us ironically. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a simpler way of looking at things. Sure. Like, you see a guy

tweaking out on the street. Yeah. There's something comforting about that. Just being like, it's a demon. That demon's got him good, doesn't it? He's got a little demon. Look, son.

Look, son. Look at that demon work. You know? So you got, look, I don't like demons, but sometimes you can admire the quality of their work. They're very good at their jobs. Evil as their jobs are, you know. That's why I said my son. I mean, I wonder if it has ever like, you know, it probably has helped people in the past. Yes.

You know, like, just like, you just got a little demon. Here's the thing. You just got a, you got a little guy inside of you. Here's the thing. He's driving you around, like one of those little parasite bugs. societies are good civilization is good trading is good right it's better than war right like it's just good to be part of society so if you got to tell a few lies to make society work it's better now like we get in a lot of trouble with that yeah you know it's like I get it but like you know there's a deception

like I spent years like you know railing against the own coups that like who I care but it's wrong I was told her we were an exceptional nation and we're just doing coups. And it's like, what's it got in me? Immaculate drip? Yes. A beautiful wife? Sure.

Oh, you know, an artistically fulfilling podcast? Yeah. But, you know, the demons can really put me over the top, is my point. And the angels. But really, the angels are there just to kind of balance out of demons. The demons are much like, you know, communism. Or, like, you know, the Red Scare, you know, whatever it is. You need, that's what really is a motor.

In general, it seems like the people who get really into demons, there are a little bit sharper than the people who get really into angels. Yeah. No, you need a release valve. You need hope. You need what you, what seems to be anecdotally, with that scientific study from me, I'm not a PhD sociologist, but what seems to me to be the perfect kind of mixture, broadly speaking,

is a lot of demons and a couple of angels. the lottery you know the lottery really kind of keeps people weirdly like just keeps them going i can never i'm like i'm like i have a demon of skepticism where i go i'm not gonna win i could have won if i were playing every week maybe it wasn't won by now it does happen you know you can't wait if you don't get in the game it's just it just doesn't pay any good to be when people say like oh you're too smart for your own good they don't mean a guy who makes like a like a rocket and the Rockets somehow screws them. It didn't mean the guy who like me, who's basically like, I'm overthinking stupid things.

Anyway, I'd love to. Maybe we get a priest on soon. Talk about this. Because I have, the exorcism stuff is very interesting. You know, when you see it in real life, some of them, some of these people can be a little more questionable. I'm not going to, you know, vouch for everyone. But then you hear, you know.

The problem is it's very easy to villainize a person. and by saying they're full of demons, or they are a demon. And you go, what about it? How do you explain to a couple of all these intelligent men throughout history that have, like, you know, a lot of, there are a lot of men who are very religious and also, like, in a secular level, very brilliant, right? And, and go, like, people who you wouldn't think, but they believe in this stuff. And, like, so, like, that's what intrigued me about it. It is very possible. The answer is, how do you explain that?

They're all in the CIA. It's right, you know, or other, you know, the Finnish intelligence. service perhaps whatever uh speaking of that uh war war type stuff phexsf is it pete hexsf is it peter or peter i don't be he is the secretary of war i don't want to get it in his bad side is it peter peter hicketh p i think i don't feel like i would call him just call him pitt uh he's gonna he's he's gonna use a war against me he's gonna he's gonna go he's gonna go a war with me uh fine peter tech says has apparently called a very big meeting I Quantico which um is like where the FBI trains people I think like their school and like it's where like the Marines have a big

thing I don't know what the I'm sure I guess it's just it's just it must be a great place with a lot like I don't know just it must be the place where everyone who does anything any of what guns likes to go maybe maybe it's just got a mountain it looks like a bullseye And it's like, this is cool, whatever. They were going to go to a ton of people. And people are speculating that's going to be a big war. You know, the Iran day, everyone thinks it's done. But then all the people are going, no, I'm not done.

We're not done with Iran. I thought we were done. I thought you made so they can't have a nuclear vessels. It's like, we didn't care about that. You didn't care about that. Interesting. Because he said you did. You know?

You've heard any of this? Am I just on the wrong subredits? so there's going to be there's going to be some kind of meeting with a lot of Pentagon officials other people generals and who know maybe they're just planning a birthday party people love to pick up you know sentencing and go crazy but it got me thinking we we don't know yet and I don't want to speculate about like World War III and World War III it's feeling it's been too long since World War II it's kind of like I'm sure when I'm much more curious especially if the World War

Street's going to happen soon. It's not going to be the big one. I don't think. I'm more interested in World War IV. World War I, like, World War I was a... Well, look, I mean, World War I was a big deal. I know, there's a lot of carnage.

But World War II was the real show. Like, World War I was just guys, like... I mean, it was like the first big war since the Industrial Revolution. Don't quote me on that. I don't know if that means. That's true. But it was a big one. It was the first one that would have machine guns, I think.

Big machine guns. I mean, the Battle of the Somme, like the British lost like a hundred thousand guys in like a second or a minute. Like, yeah, it wasn't a nuclear bomb. They just kept like, so what happened? You could kind of see like pictures of like early when people were first going to the war.

And they were still kind of like dressing in that really colorful like military plumage. Right. Of like the wars of yesteryear or whatever. Yeah. And then they were just getting thrown into a meat crime. Right. Like I didn't go to the war.

But like this, what seems to be a thing is like you need good morale. And morale means you try. I think basically, yeah, you trust the guys around you. And you trust the people in charge, like, they kind of know better than you. And so, like, the song would happen was they kept sending wave after wave of guys from one trench to the other and it's getting mowed down machine guns. Right. And then I guess they would go to the general and they say, mow another wave down.

Yeah, really. Well, send another. I guess the machine gun might jam this time. Right. And they never jammed. And there's 100,000 guys died or more. So crazy. And it changed a lot of things in Britain.

And so a lot of guys, you know, went to the, you know, to the meat grinder in the sky, unfortunately, RIP. But World War II had much more characters, much more ideology, had the big nuclear bomb at the end, a lot of wild stuff. And I'm wondering what the, you know, assume, like, we're going to go to war if I ran, but people fighting over Iran. But no one's going to new, I don't think people are going to go with a mat. but in like 30 years when these when these rogue A-I's become a thing you know and when people go all you know people are really augmented yet

you have some guys are cyber legs but like I'm talking about wings I'm talking about like you know a guy with a head twice the size of a normal head that can just you know every why does that help brain's bigger eyes are bigger nose is bigger like everything's double you know

a guy with you know a guy who's like hand is a grenade and he throws his hand and like you get a new hand later but you don't have to carry you know it's just and you think what's that going to do you know how many you know one extra grenade can make the difference in the right in the right context that's what i do if i was a if i was a if i was a hand salesman in this and in dystopian cyberpunk store right like so he said hey you don't know look you yeah one extra grenade tell me that when it's a when well you got your hand and and i don't know i'm not a great salesman

The guy doesn't buy it. Well, I mean, I'm just, I'm saying, but really, what, like, what do you think is going to be the bigger war? The bigger deal is my point. This is a thought experiment. It occurred to me. And I'm not trying to be like, you know, yeah, do I want to kind of like lock in World War IV or anyone else? Yeah, I'd like to be first at one point in my life for fucking once, you know? Probably would probably be with China, right?

Because China's a big, big, big, big, big bad boy. Yeah, that makes sense. Do you think Russia is going to, I mean, Russia might not really make it through World War III as a big, big dog. Maybe it's broken up. Maybe it's the, I got a reason. I'm not front of these guys who's like, we got to take Putin down. Whatever. He's not a good guy.

Oh, he's not. Interesting. But he runs a country. I'd like to know who, do you think, like those are probably the big two? Is there a third besides Russia? You think someone might pop up? I could see Israel going down in World War III, but then kind of regathering and coming back and coming back.

Is this weird? It doesn't work right now? Jeez. I could see it. Spicy. Look, I'm just, I'm- Did the demons show it to you? I'm just imagining a big risk board in my head.

I'm not trying to wish anything on anyone. No, me and Lucy, you got those there, we're chess players. Yeah. We're like speed chess. We're cold and calculating. Well, that computers, like old computers. When you try to use your grandma's, the computer at your grandma's house, like, what is this? Windows 3.1?

Jesus. You're looking into my eyes, but I'm looking into yours through my drone. From 2009. My outdated dream. But. I'll use it with an Amazon fire tablet. But, but yeah, I could see them kind of like. you know maybe going out in a blaze but then coming back yeah they had some they had some

some some you know some you know subterranean backup or something and they rebuild and they come back stronger you're talking about Hamas helps them out in the tunnels it's ironically these tunnels they keep well they build the tunnels and it's almost like what were the rings when like when uh with eragon whatever gets the the ghost pirates whatever in the mountains all the ghosts of a mosque come back and help them or the people of Gaza or whatever

that would be interesting that would be very interesting I'm thinking I can see them being a player no there's definitely a player maybe there are some mutations that took place here's the thing you're right to think your mind goes there because that's kind of what war

is now it's not about big fields with tanks and people some people go well it'll be back there we just haven't had a big war yet I don't know maybe but maybe everyone's gonna be you know it's kind of like if I fire an EMP in the middle

of the Amish country or if I go back in time it don't do nothing right? NEP an ultra-magnetic pulse blast if I do that in the middle of Tokyo whoa boy and you go you know because you go it's kind of like war you'll be

attacks and like someone go watch this unplug the goddamn thing they can't everyone will be hooked in with their with their with their double-sized heads and their and their wings and stuff and so we won't and then so smaller countries will be able to fire you know stuxnet type weapons right uh like computer viruses are somehow actual viruses right right imagine getting the virus like like imagine getting covid that actually makes you um a trojan horse you know and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and steals your AOL password or whatever you know just the what a whammy or imagine getting AIDS but it destroys your uh it really screws up your your um your home your home uh smart home set up I mean if you ever try to set up I mean we have an apartment I set up it's still a pain I didn't make a separate server uh on a Raspberry Pi device to add because these you know lights I got weren't compatible it's a whole pain in the ass imagine if you know I got a

and all of a sudden that all that work was down the drain because the AIDS came with the with a computer virus Would that be worse than than World War I? Like I think it would I mean it does seem like it would be worse Yeah

If everybody just started if the next World War was just all Just people dropping AIDS on each other Yeah Well that's like they had mustard gas and stuff It didn't seem to really They had like all sorts of things But yeah That sounds tough

No, those things, they've been. That'll make a greatest generation out of you. Those things were so bad. They were like, look, I'm not going to say we're never going to do this again. We all know we might do this again. But if we get together and we decided to go destroy, kill everyone and destroy each other again, we don't do that. We don't use mustard gas. We all, we all, no one thought it was that bad.

It's called mustard gas, we said. We all like mustard most of us The Germans especially We all like well we love it And I'm not worst I don't cry no worse Not brat worst Hmm

Terrible Now I'm not even sure What does it even do I forget Mustard gas or even though It's poison right Well yeah But I think it's kind of thing where it's one of those things

Where like I think like Your eyes dilate And everything stops working in your body And you can't move But you feel everything Double You feel everything everything, and then your skin burns.

It's one of those things where it's like it literally is like a demon. Yeah. It's like Dr. Strange. You know, the Sam Ramey one, real nasty. So, World War IV to, I mean, you go, you, oh, well, we already had mustard gas. I hear you. It's still, but you had, that's, imagine mustard gas, but also, like, the furnace in your house just fell apart. that would just be annoying right

just annoying on top of dying imagine imagine getting hit with like a VX nerve gas but then the last thing you see before you die is like nude pictures of your wife getting leaked you know like what the that's the kind of horror where you know it's going to be personal

and that's going to destroy morale yeah right I mean imagine imagine if you're like well I'm prepared for that I'm a Delta force I'm a Navy C-L-6 I'm a big bad boy just a marine There's a hardcore Marine jar head And I live my life

Knowing that's a thing Because he's hackers in the future And I'm gonna They'll deep fake it And then release it as you die Imagine that That's the kind of hard Imagine knowing that you

You didn't partake In the fruits of the flesh As much you could have And they still did it to you With their computers It's gonna be A technocratic Um

Who's that? the guy who made that painting where it was just the end of the world Bosch box Hieronymus Hironymous Bosch painting but like but you know but also but also Tron that's what we're

that's what World War IV is going to be it's going to be they're going to drop they're going to cloud they're going to see the clouds with chlorate we have but also put you know lead in it I think it's lead poisoning from the toxic rain just

I'm just trying to extrapolating here. And you go, well, but that's not ready yet, I think. You know, and that's why it's more interesting to kind of speculate about. Yeah. You're worried about,

oh, Iran and this, Israel. I'm worried about, you know, are we going to tear a hole in hell? Like in Doom? Remember? Where they literally, they tear a hole in hell

and then they start, like, pumping it for, like, fuel. They start pumping, like, I think demons or something, into a pipeline that, like, powers your eyes. iPad. Oh, that's what they're doing in that game. They're using demon parts. They call it Argent energy, but I feel like it's probably just, you know, um, crushed up demons.

Hmm. You know, that's really what, what, what, what, what's more likely? They've, they've, they've mastered cold fusion or you're just pumping, you're just fucking pumping demons into a into a let-assad battery. I don't know. Occam's razor. If demon bones, demon shit. Yeah. And these things were kind of a renewable source of energy. Yeah.

Um, I could see feeling an obligation to take it. Yeah. So is Dr. Hayden and many people and Doom in 2016 Doom. And things inevitably go bad, you know, Murphy's Law. Sometimes Murphy's Law means the hell takes over the astral plane. Or is that, are we the astral plane? I don't know how any of this works. We need.

I guess you're supposed to fight the demons, not exploit them. Yeah. No, as soon as you start, like, it's very virtuous to fight a demon or fight even. but when you start trying to like make deals with that's why making deals with the devil is such a you know if that's why if it's not real There is a metaphorical you know thing that makes sense to it. I'm not saying it's not but you know there is a thing where it's like oh actually we're getting that you can't make a deal with the devil you always get dicked Um, or whatever it goes but you know it's been also very possible like people like no look trust me don't he'll he goes around with contracts for like land the land swamp land you can't bill they won't let you build on it you can't there's an easement from the military he's fucking everyone well i lost my nest egg because the devil i don't know i just don't know i try not i try to live my life as a good man as much as i can

temptation abounds but you know you try to stay on the path of the virtuous i i feel like there is some kind of um six sense that's dormant in you yeah like i feel like you can see the future a little bit i feel like my best days are ahead of me i don't mean but not for the world But that's not because of me. But I feel like when bad things happen, maybe I can rise up and help people. Mm-hmm. Or lead a faction. You know, lead a faction of cybernetically augmented.

Like, people who wouldn't normally be good soldiers. But, yeah, but we, but we allied ourselves with technology and angels or maybe demons, lesser demons. Yeah. I am going to dabble. If the World War IV breaks out, I might start dabbling. I don't want my family getting left behind every time there's an opportunity to make money.

I'm sick of being the only one who was like, well, I thought it was wrong. Like some priest is like, wait, you didn't, you didn't sell any demon parts? Like, priest is telling me that. I'm the sucker. I'm always a sucker. Not anymore. Well, thanks a much for tuning again, and hopefully

this is all, this doesn't come to pass anytime soon, but yeah, you've got to be spiritually spiritually prepared. so thanks for tuning in and have a great week