Kump - Ep. 238 The New Epstein

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Ray and Lucie dive into the release of new Epstein documents, the bizarre power hierarchies of elites, and a deeply unhinged exploration of who would replace Jeffrey Epstein in a modern “elite pervert ring.”🎧 Subscribe on Patreon for bonus episodes every week:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/raykump

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Oh, it's a big, it's such a big week with the Epstein. I'm so great with the Epstein's. You're excited about it? Well, I mean, we're getting the documents, and that's going to be a lot of fun, I guess. Not fun, but, you know, like, like, a lot of just, it's nice that, you know, it's always nice to get documents. that you don't understand how to parse. I can't wait until the sleuths get through them. I thought there was documents already out,

and I ended up looking at like ones that were there from, like, February. Like, I don't know. I hope they were clearer than that, because there was a bunch of stuff. It was just like lists and little numbers and, like, you know, people's names on plane. You know, I don't know all these billion. Like, all these people, I'm starting to realize,

I actually don't know that many of the most powerful people. Like, you know, oh, Like, if he told me, like, some guy who's on the island, I might, like, you know, like, you know, like, uh, Slop, Slop Anderson was there. And I'm like, oh, who's he? He owns all the cell phones in, like, you know, Sweden. We mean, he owns them. And he's like, everyone has to rent the cell phone. He's worth $6 trillion.

He actually controls the Salvation Army also. Yeah, and I don't know how anything works, I actually realize. what do you think that's an interesting question is like what do you think the hierarchy right in a in a PDF ring a PDF ring is like like who's well I know kids are lower the hierarchy right that's that's kind of errand or you know depending on how you think about it sure yeah I mean I don't think they have a lot of uh they don't have a big say and what goes on yeah they're there it's out of their control that's famously the problem with it yeah famously not a lot of agency when you're a

A kid in that situation, in a PDF ring. But, like, you know, it's like, is there some kind of, like, losers' table on, in a place, like, Little St. James? Like, what does it look like? Oh, you're saying, like, when you go, like, when it would have, because I think it's gone, right? Little James. Yeah, it's no longer. But when you were there, you're asking, like, would there be an in-table kind of, like, a click? Yeah.

Like, could you be part of that, but also still kind of, like, you know, it's my guy, I've worked like, uh, with in photography. I remember doing, there was this girl school that, like, I would do their, like, I did they have some golf, like, charity thing where the dads came and played golf and then later on, and the night there was a big party and I don't know if the daughters came, but we're like, it was like a private school.

And I can just tell that some of the guys there were not as, like, rich. Because, you know, this is kind of a place where a lot of rich guys are. But they'd have, like, the, like, this guy was wearing, like, the plaid, like old-schooly golf thing I think he was kind of doing ironically

but like the guys who I knew like something I knew from the news and like they didn't do that they didn't play goofy games you know we have like very nice golf gear you know so like I think that guy probably was only word like 10 million

right but he's like yeah he was kind of like a loser amongst you know I mean any other situation he's a big big dog in it he owns like you know he owns a bunch of Papa John's franchises or something but there he's like you're scum to us and we're all scum-hicks.

The more of your life-saving is that you're pouring into your daughter's private school. Right. The more you want to act up. Yeah, you're like, oh, this is a burden to me. They're like, what we're going to do, send her to the public school? That's like what most of them are like. And this guy's like, I'm actually striving. There's nothing rich people are like worse than strivers.

So now we now we transpose that onto the Epstein, the, boy, you know, I wonder, because like it's kind of, it could be, like, there could be a hierarchy, right? Or there could be like a, oh, you watch White Lotus, that HBO show where everyone's rich. I don't think anyone's like the loser, right?

Like everyone's kind of equal in these little bungalows in Thailand, I feel like. Yeah, at least like, you know, everybody can go to the beach and stuff. But like, there might be somebody like, with a better view. Yeah, maybe. I mean, yeah, well, yeah, well, that's usually the,

case, like hotels, you know, have four sides, right? Yeah. But then, like, that's why you have a Panopticon, uh, like a lot of, like, really nice resorts, I feel like are prisons and since it's designed, uh, where everyone gets the same. I don't know. I guess. I mean, that's because you want to avoid that probably. Right.

Because you're at, like, when you get, when you bring a bunch of guys on the Little St. James, they're all going to be trying, you know, these are the kind of guys are like who are going to feel slighted. Yeah. Like, it's my kid is good as that kid. Yeah. You know, I think I get the shitty kid. Uh, I'm like, that's horrible, but, like, that's who these people are.

You know, these aren't like the people who like, like, there's not a little good overlap with the people who like, you know, take one day at a time, you know, take it in stride. I'm like a be like a rolling stone. Yeah. You know, that, that's not who these people would be. Right. So to answer your question, you know, if I, you know, the person who would do that job, which is interesting, like, who. like who who is the new Epstein like who who procures the kids now well you whatever he did yeah I mean the kid all the whole thing I mean because he's been dead for like six years right

yeah so it's like 2019 so it's not even like it's not like you know I mean famously nothing's happened we just we just we just but they just wrote to release a bunch of documents that like could very well have nothing in them for you know by time they get to come to us I don't know I mean I felt like it's good they did it it's good as they released them but who knows what we're gonna get by that so it's like you know really it's not like you know it's been six years since he uh killed himself uh you know still self-deleted uh in the most tightly secure prison in the world is it i don't know brooklyn detention center who like someone has to replace them as my point right yeah they're not just gonna stop doing this no

These aren't people who stop. You know what I mean? If these guys could just stop, then like it would still be a problem. But famously, this is the kind of thing with the Catholic Church stuff. Or just any time you let one loose. They're always doing it again.

You know? Yeah, it's like it's the thrill of getting caught. Oh, you think that's part of it? You think that's, you think it's, you know, that's an interesting angle. I mean, Prince Andrew was probably what, I don't think he's a prince anymore. No, right.

He's not a prince anymore. He's, he's. Andrew of, uh, sucks. Maybe paying some of the most high profile consequences for his involvement. But like, he must have like, I, I feel like part of the thrill for him was probably thinking about like, all of his titles getting removed. Wow. Kicked out of Buckingham Palace.

Interesting. Okay. That shame has to be part of it. I wonder. I mean, it's, it's a good way to put it. I mean, there was a good thing to speculate on. I've always kind of gotten the. like billionaires and but he and the guy like Andrew is like you know royalty I guess but like

once you're like definitely not going to be king you're like they should just not be royalty it's such a redundant thing who are you like I'm on the queen's other son but the new key the guy who's going to be king already has kids so it's like it's totally redone once you have king Ralph that's true yeah it just it just creates opportunity for embarrassment it's really their fault I mean he should blame them he should you should say that it's like you what was I supposed to do I couldn't be king how was it supposed to fill my days but you know oh um yeah I always assume that the thrill is that they know they can't get caught but you think it's like you think it's old school like

a guy a guy who's in a chemical toilet with a chick who works the county fair you know just tells like funnel cake and he's just getting he's just getting you know she's just getting you know she's funneling through him his cake well you know we tend to assume that these people are so different from us I do yeah I they're very different from me I don't feel like I'm not being a Christian by saying that I don't feel I'm being smug they probably on other issues they also say the same thing these are men every other aspect of their life and maybe even this maybe they look down the fact that I'm not a PDF whatever yeah but regardless you know these aren't people who would let me come to their house for croquet so it's like you know

it's a bit of a tale of two cities do you think it's just a class thing do you think that when you get a certain amount of money yeah you just like do you think like when you don't make a certain amount of money i should say you're you're just lying to yourself like really you want to be a PDF and if you had the kind of money where you could be would be one there's poor ones we don't know it's probably a poor they just get caught right you know they're the ones on like the you know the catcher the predator whatever right who bring like a like a like a dumb pizza and some zima but I'm just saying like there's such a large cross-section of these people all very rich

all very powerful well I mean like a lot a lot of the most rich people but I think it maybe a motive like when you are one it probably just motivates you like I need to get to that point where I can like if you could look if you're just some guy who's like hanging around I don't know how any of this works but when we have nothing to lose you can just go to print and whatever but when you're in

when you are rich you probably need to like get ahead so that you can but that's why I got the Epstein exist that's really more the point why who is doing the job now like who would be the new

episode we don't know we're not going to find out in this episode I'm just trying to But who would be a good one? Who would be... I want to look at types of things. Yeah.

Like, would it be someone... Because in the modern age, like, I don't know. He's like a bullshit financier. Like, he made a bunch of money for Lex Wexner, but, like, based on what? Like, it doesn't seem, like, well, we do know, we didn't seem like he was that particularly brilliant. It doesn't seem like he had... There's no Epstein theorem of, like, you know, hedge funds, right?

Right. They're not using the Epstein algorithm to, like, do quant-trane. Like, what, like, he's got, how do he, I mean, when you manage someone's money as an investor, isn't it hard to become a billionaire yourself? It's all very weird to me. I feel like, you know, I get it. He's, you know, a little foreign intelligence thing. But would they, would they have that guy be a financier nowadays? Right.

Like, what does it make sense to actually go higher profile than that? Right. Well, here's what I was thinking. Mm-hmm. Like, because it overlaps with a sort of like... Dying industries, right? Things are changing, you know, a bunch of people who maybe were like, you know, had the first half of a career that went well.

But now it was like things are harder to come by. And I'm thinking like an ex-sickcom star. Someone maybe on a big bank theory. Someone on a young show. I mean, again, no one's specific. I mean, I'm the type of show. Someone on, you know, or it could, you know, whatever was another show. that he was popular in the best 20 years.

Like if Jason Baitman took the... Well, yeah, I mean, like, if he did, which I don't know, I'm certain he didn't. Pretty, I'm 99, I'm certain as you can be without knowing, unless, like, oh, there's always a random chance that, like, you know what I mean? But otherwise, I'm certain. It's not the case.

I just mean, yeah, more like, yeah, but like, yeah, like a guy who's on the shows. I mean, but, you know, but that guy seems to work still. you know maybe like the third guy on a show like I think it could be any show it could be a what's another show um

modern family yeah it could be a modern family could be the kids the kids from our family he's always an adult now right yeah so yeah it could be like someone who's like you'd be happy to meet you'd be like oh you're like

you're like the not I don't mean the Hispanic kid but it could be him too but I mean like the other kid who's like probably like 30 now um again how would this happen i don't know this is wild speculation i'm just saying like you know just think of think about a random show where you go oh you're that guy

like you weren't particularly it's not like you don't want like david swimmer right you don't want someone too famous you don't want like joey from friends but maybe like uh maybe phoebe maybe phoebe no Lisa cooge was famous enough maybe like uh beady wong B.D. Wong, interesting. I mean, that's a good pull. I mean, B.D. Wong is the, I know him Beth from Oz.

He was the chaplain on Oz, the prison show. He's had a lot of kind of major, minor roles over the years. He was in Jurassic Park as like a small scientist role, like, just going like, oh, the Raptor. Right. And then later on they bring him back. He's like, oh, I'm beat because he got a little more famous since then. He was on the order of the year and all that. he's been on yeah

SVU I think I work so much I feel like yeah but again these aren't huge no one's no one's backing up the brink's truck for him right

again he would never do this but I mean it's just so I mean this is a dangerous this is a wild thing to talk about I mean but you know

so no offense we're talking about all this stuff theoretically it's a theoretical thing it's a theoretical model of the universe where people who used to be on TV might

to do, like, I'm just saying who would also, it would also have to be someone who could sort of lure in children. I don't think B.D. Wong is learning children. Right, yeah, like, he doesn't really have that appeal. So. You think some, that's a problem, maybe,

maybe it's a flaw in my, in my argument here. Because I'm thinking, like, that's something, that's something that, like, the guys, you would think, like, you know, if you were running, like, a fancy hotel and you hired, because we can say this now, I don't feel as bad if I was if I was making the white lotus in real life I said hey let's get Jason Bateman to like be our concierge you pay him a ton of

money like what he's like an actor why would you do that it's like I'm stupid my will I'll pay him stupid money and like for six months and then then you know once you get it going you know you kick his ass to the curb but the point is like you know but because people were coming go oh I love you and the rest of development you know he was a rich powerful guy you know the kids like you know like him on the show, right? Whatever it is. Oh, the wife loves Ozark, where he cooks the meth. Well, no, that

what he orders the money? Whatever. That could be nice. I don't know that if you're running a PDF ring billionaire club, if they had the same kind of connection to sitcom stars. But here's my idea. Yeah.

Let me tell you, tell me what you think of this. Yeah. A person being involved in any of this carries its own risk. yeah what if it was like a hologram what what what what have you had a hologram of you know and it's this is evil obviously I'm trying to think like an evil person right but like a hologram of something kid's like wow wait you know Daniel tiger or something you are so interesting Daniel tiger who is uh I've never seen an episode of Daniel tiger it's I I you know it's a funny

idea uh like every time I hear this is like kind of I, like, you show, like, I relate to kids' TV nowadays when I get a whiff of it, when, like, some guy, you know, like, in front of mine has kids, and, like, and they'll have, like, cayew on, on the, on the TV, like, what does, I, I remember Rugrats, I remember, you know, weird shows, like Ghostbusters, but, like, Daniel Tiger just seems so generic and weird, but, yeah, so you think, I got, what's an interesting thing, so you think that he, or a thing like Daniel Tiger, to be clear, to clear ourselves legally, a thing like a, a avatar of Daniel Tiger would be the new Epstein would be the new PDF pimp slash you know nexus to the blackmail

I don't think he ran the body I don't think that was his job to actually organize the black maybe it was maybe these documents will tell us exactly how the Arab broke down but I feel like there's people who handled it you know and you just shut up and, you know,

shut up when, when, when, whatever, who, you know, hit Clinton, just, just get the footage of Clinton and Trump going at it. Whatever, you know. If it'd be funny if he had to, all the money he had to go with it back to them, and he just treated like shit. Like, shut up. He's blackmailed him.

I mean, he's also an evil. Don't get me wrong. But he's also just kind of like a cog in the wheel. Just kicking him like a dog. But no, but, like, do you think that guy? would be Daniel Tiger. Right. Or a thing like Daniel Tiger.

I think... Imagine a victim. Right. Trying to come forward about that. Well, I made this point years ago, yeah, about what was this whole thing with the goat masks and stuff and all the satanic stuff. And I've speculated that maybe part of the thing is like, yeah, so if a kid comes to the cops or where his parents go, yeah, like this goat guy, this giant guy and a,

like a demon, like a goat demon, you know, did it to me. you know, molested really, it's like, oh, it just sounds crazy. Right, yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah, it's like it just sounds too crazy to be true. Right. I mean, they're all evil enough

to actually be Satanist, but maybe they may have to be like, you know, I'm more grateful than Satan. Yeah, like, or you could see a timeline where it started as some kind of Satanist ritual. Yeah. And then it just stayed out of convenience.

Right. Yeah, exactly. You know, the traditions, tradition matters. we were just you know everyone wants to just throw tradition out the window let's not rush to rush to it we see the pitfalls now we we thought these things didn't matter and you know but yeah so i think i think though so yeah it's an interesting thing i mean there's a couple pitfalls of that i mean because i think what you're you're going to run into trouble with if that's your if that's your new epstein is that like it doesn't

it fulfills it fulfills a role that I don't even think existed before which is like I don't think I don't think Jeffrey Epstein was like hey like kids like me that doesn't seem to be as anyone's concern like how do we get the kids we take them that's like how do we get them

no we take we take them we sometimes we trick them and to get and coming into the inside but then we take them you know it's not so much to no one's like hey why can you make him maybe we can get like

a guy dressed like Oscar de Grouch they're like no we don't need that's you you're overthinking it but you know but it's like but I mean you're thinking like a person you're even even the most hanging

situation you're still thinking like but wouldn't you want them to at least be kind of they'll just take from the 7-11 they'll take it okay they're very mean but wasn't there a grooming aspect to all of this didn't you kind of like I don't know we don't

look we know there's some of the stuff we do know about where there's bassooses right but like we don't know but that like there's a documentary I saw on Netflix right like those cases were heinous enough and it was grooming but then also I don't know what happened on the island per se I guess a lot you know people I mean if you know what's her name got out of the trouble last week and she's like well we've actually a hebo I don't want to get into that I don't want to get into parsing who's a hebo and he was a pizza yeah yeah this is that seems that seems that we've lost we've lost

we've already lost if we're doing that but I don't I don't think anyone cares so much of I mean it's nice I think it's a nice idea but I mean not really

it's also terrible but here's the thing here's the problem with it is that like it's what is a random oil billionaire or tech billionaire whoever these people might be right a finance guy

whoever it is, politician, what is the plausible deniability for them to be with a digital hologram of Daniel Tiger? I mean, he can buy, he helps one, he helps something that really wasn't a concern of them before,

but he also makes it very complicated. Because Epstein was friends with these people, and to the extent of people knew who he was, I mean, at a certain point it became a liability. But for a while, I was like, oh, he's a friend of the arts, and he donates. He gave a lot of money to Harvard, right?

Daniel Tiger can't be donating billions of dollars to Harvard and being like, can I get a shirt, the Harvard shirt? I mean, that's just, I mean,

that's just, you're going to run into the copyright problems, too. It's just like a... True, yeah. You do, I guess you do kind of need

a flesh and blood person. You need a man. Yeah. Or, or the, yeah. I mean,

look, down the road, we might get into a situation. We might get into a, where, like, we, we coexist with holograms and digital avatars, right? Yeah. Like, we have VR, you know, the Reader Quest Glasses where I'm playing the Batman game. There could be a thing in 10, five years, who knows?

Where I'm like, that's just, you know, there's a thing that, you know, every house has, it's like a blade runner, the new blade, second, not new, it's a sequel Blade Runner, but, like, you know, you get a little thing and then it shoots the projection, and then that's your girlfriend. Right. And it's just like, whatever. I mean, like, so that, in that world, maybe you could fly. She's still kind of annoying.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes. But like. She don't cook done. She's not going to. But yeah.

No, you're right. It's a long ways away. I mean, apparently these AI advancements that we have now, they didn't think we'd have what we have now until like 10 or 15 years from now. So you never. no. Maybe we'll have a Daniel Tiger pimp. I mean, an AI chapbot is another one where you know, there's definitely a lot

of access to people's secrets. Right. I mean, I think part of the thing is like you need to have a guy who like tricks you. Like this is the thing, he's a guy like certain people like Chomsky was friends with him, right? And I don't know if Chomsky did it. I think some of these guys

maybe didn't do anything. I don't want to give anyone, you know, I'm not looking to exonerate anybody. but it's like but you know he had this thing where he was kind of like you know he would lure you in or whatever however it worked I don't think I mean if he could just be some guy who pops I mean because otherwise he could just use instant messenger right you know he could use aim from like you know 2004 and just be like it's up bro you know these things are a little more people don't want digital footprints

when comes to this so so who else I mean who else would be good um right so you know who's well positioned for it right now. Well, let's just, well, before we start naming specific people

and getting sued. Yeah. Like, I'm more just like, what kind of type or, like, so, like, you know, you could draw out of that type.

You could say, we'll learn that type, but he wouldn't do it. Mm-hmm. But I don't think, but, you know, but who, it's probably wouldn't be an actor

because that doesn't seem to, like, fit, they don't care, right? Like, you know, these guys, maybe, but, like,

a party guy. Who's a party guy? Maybe a guy, maybe a guy who runs, like, like some kind like some help me out here

I'm famously not a guy who goes to a lot of parties sure I mean some guy who runs or runs a you know a phone party machine company I don't know

I mean here's the problem it's like we didn't know who he was Jeffrey Epstein right he's just some guy who's like oh you know the guy who owns Vittarius Secret no or the name is Lex Wexter

okay yeah well this guy was his like finance finance guy, all right. You know, like, I wouldn't, I'm, I'm told you you have to look into this. It's not like that guy is like on my radar. It's probably, I mean, is it just some guy who's like, uh, who runs like, uh, like, what are the modern orgies?

Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I mean, there are definitely, you know, BDSM clubs and stuff. People go to me. Would he be a furry? Oh. Would you, with a new? I mean, that kind of goes into your Daniel Tiger thing. Yeah, it's true.

Now we're getting somewhere. Because I, like, we're getting into a weird, but now that Trump's the president, I don't if it makes it easier or harder, I feel like we were getting somewhere where, like, if Biden won again, and I'm not saying that every Democrat is a ferocious, but like, it just feels like it would be more, like, permissive, right? And you can do whatever you want. And the idea that, like, you could work at Goldman Sachs next to a guy in a bear suit might be, might make sense.

Yeah, I mean, that, look. It definitely doesn't seem that far away from getting normalized. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then again, like, said that like the Trump's, oh, woke is dead. Well, for now. You know?

I don't know if that, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, that made, but, but there is a possible. So, it, you know, could it be a guy in a day, like, a furry version of the Daniel Tiger? Like, the, like, like, like, he actually is. I mean, that makes more, like, you know, and that guy is just the, uh, it's kind of, it's kind of, it's, Like a crypto trader. A crypto trader. Who cosplay is as.

Yeah, he makes a shit coin or alt coin, I guess. You know, shit coin is too spicy for this role. You want someone just a, you know, a more presentable alt coin. I'm not sure what the difference actually is. Or like somebody, yeah, or some kind of AI. He makes it AI, like, I don't know. I mean, like, I use JCPT and just lies to me and screws everything up I try to do. but I think people who are rich

have, like, you know, other AIs that they pay good money for, he can run one of those. You know, he's a guy who does that. I go, what does it do? Ah, yeah, the government. Okay. Yeah, government contracts. All right, cool.

I mean, like, if you're evil, you're lying. I mean, I'm not going to verify. And that guy is a tiger mask. And he's the guy who has a plane that takes you the, you know, I mean, here's the thing, though. would it be an island anymore because they tore it down the island right what is I don't know location is important right I think they got rid of I mean it's still there and they didn't like they didn't like uh like bomb the island right I don't know how you get

rid of an island but they I guess they raised it right they're like all the buildings that were there are gone right I mean funny they just like nuked it so don't like no one could enjoy it but like you know the history or it's just too sort of no yeah thanks for the memories yeah would but you know

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I mean, look, I would have thought it would be crazy. If he'd asked me if this is all, like, you know, 15, because we've been going for a while now. We've been aware of this for a long time. Sure. But if he'd ask you back in, like, you know, 2014. Hey, look, I mean, I think Alex Jones was talking about it before that. So, but whatever, I didn't know. And you've just asked me about it would have been like, well, I don't know if they were like, you know, it just seems weird that like it'd be this one place where you'd go.

You know, if you asked me, like, to think about how, like, you know, I was already conspiratorially mind at that point. Like, you know, I was like, well, it'd probably be like a moving thing. Like, you know, it'd be a different place all the time. Right, yeah, you would assume that they'd just said they'd keep it moving. Yeah, it wouldn't be one spot, right? But I guess then again, like, you know, I guess it's easier, you know, otherwise you've got to drill, you know, a bunch of cameras into the wall everywhere you go. I always assumed this stuff must be going down, and I guess it kind of was, but like, more strictly, I always thought it would be going down in international waters, like on a yacht or something, that moves around. Well, it's a fascinating question.

I mean, not because it's, well, you mean because it's legality or just because who wouldn't, like, because I feel like that might be, if there was political will to investigate, that might not save you. But I do think it's a good, interesting point. Like, you know, it does, like, who, like, it does make it murky who does investigate, and it could just really impede an investigation. Right, yeah, exactly. It's not so much not like, you know, if the United States decided that we wanted to do something about this, which, you know, okay. well look it doesn't help

Venezuelan fishermen sure you know right they're famously not protected by the by the cloak of international waters but yeah I think that could that could

but you you think maybe like a disabused like remember there's that crystal diamond whatever it was called where everyone was like it was just like a cruise ship that like everyone was like stuck on for like a month and there was just rivers of shit running everywhere oh right yeah during

uh COVID or was it during it was when COVID first started right yeah yeah one that's kind of like it was not that like that like Epstein died what like it was summer before COVID like right like COVID happened like in March I feel like the Epstein died like the summer before vaguely remember so like it's not that far maybe maybe they were kind of like maybe there was a period because COVID was happening anyway you know I don't get Newsom had the French laundry, you know, parties during COVID. People are hypocrites. But maybe, maybe for, you know, it just

wasn't as, you know, it was a little curtailed anyway, the social distancing. Right? Yeah, right. So, you know, we give it some time. There was a gap. And then that happened. And then, like, oh, perfect. We'll get the shipboat. Because no one's going to want that shit. I mean, no, I think, I'm saying that. That boat might just, I just did.

put that bill that boat probably still is in rotation I'm acting like oh they were definitely just decommission that they can decommission that boat I'm sure if we look it up that boat's fucking people still eating buffets right now on it but a boat like that then I guess um yeah but yeah a boat like that a boat that has a little bit of a of a stink or a stigma around it sure real stink yeah I mean what's going on that boat you know just remember

everybody had that river of shit or in COVID? Oh, yeah, vaguely, yeah, well, that's this boat. Oh, yeah. I mean, that would be such a demotion, like, like, going from Little St. James, which for all of its evil doings, like, you know, it does seem like it was a luxurious place. Sure. To a, to a shit-staking boat. Well, yeah, I mean, I think people, I think the, the error of politicians being, having, you know, it all laid out for them. I think everyone's taking the pay cut. I think politicians are like you know realizing how it's all because it's a lot in the open now more like you're just a compromise scumbag and everyone kind of knows it and we and you and we don't have to hide it that

much anymore not me you know them it's like so like you know take you take what you get you know it's like you become an actor in Hollywood you know when you became a star in like in the 80s or 90s right when you became when you were matthew perry writer david swimmer and friends or jennifer Aniston. You let a certain life. Oh, yeah, a glamorous life. Yeah, I mean, you know, Matthew Perry's like, oh, I drink with his vodka, whatever. He didn't, you know, he didn't really, you know, take the ball and run with it, per se.

But it's still, it's still the problems of a glamorous person. Sure. And you had. For too many great drugs. Right. You made a ton of money. You could live in these great house. And look, it's still better to be, you know, on TV.

Maybe. Like, a lot of these people don't make much money anymore. I mean, there's people who make money. And again, I'm not judging. People won't even put a little bit of makeup on Claire Dan's. Right. We were just watching Claire Day was an awful show. It wasn't great.

But we checked it out for a second. Yeah. They like won't give people makeup anymore. It's expensive. I mean, makeup is a thing where it's like you do a little, you can't do a little makeup. You do, like, I mean, you tell me. But I feel like it's the kind of thing we're like, well, can't we just give her like a bit of dust? Whatever's cool.

Like, you know, can you put that white dust on her face? Yeah, a little blur. Yeah, or something. No, like, I don't do makeup. I'm not like a drag queen. I don't know if I'll need to say that. But my point is like, you know, I feel like if you don't do a good job, it's going to be more obvious. So you better just leave it and look like, no, we're doing a verit.

She can be ugly. Yeah, we're making a choice. She looks bad. She just looks bad. She looks bad because she feels bad. She's a nasty woman. Whatever. She's the fuck.

You get this shit. 10 people are watching this show And two of them run that Cump podcast What I do is talk about Daniel Tiger and Epstein Who gives their shit This is all fake All fake What do you think we're doing here

So in that way Like those Cobra Chi kids Are they all rich? I don't know I mean It'd be crazy if the Cobra Cod kids I mean the main couple maybe There's so many kids in that show

They're all going to be rich Right No it's like 15 20 kids Do you think that, like, that weird guy of the glasses makes like $10 million a year? No. No. So in that same vein, whoever. We're going to be doing porn.

Yeah. I mean, well, yeah, yeah. We still have them. I mean, poor is porn pay? Who, does anything pay? We're all, we're getting, we're getting that over the wire here. And my point is, you might just be very happy to be in the back of a sizzler if you're one of these awful PDFs, you know?

Right. Yeah, back of a sizzler actually would be. a bad deal at this point. I mean, at that point, it's just, you know, go work at a, you know, a Geico office.

You know what I mean? It just doesn't seem like, it doesn't seem like it's worth there to be a policy. I mean, the politicians, they all, the thing is, they all do the insider trading,

I guess. Right. You don't make a ton of money, uh, from that. That seems to be more, you know. It seems like the safest place for a PDF to do PDF stuff.

Yeah. It's just in their home. But I guess these people are the only ones who still want to socialize. Yeah, I mean, well, I guess someone has to bring you to the home and then like, no one's, he's a thing. It is, this existed to take pictures of you and then tell you to bomb things. Right.

Like, that's why this whole apparatus existed. This wouldn't exist to go, no, I want the DoorDash version of it. We're not doing that. I mean, maybe, maybe they figured out a way to, like, you know, seek a drone in. I mean, I guess nowadays it's easy enough to, like, get a little. you open the door and then like you know, Jeff Epstein, Daniel Tiger Epstein whatever's name is, is flying, you know,

control a little drone like helicopter that's going to photograph the event. I guess that's, you know, as long as they know when it's going to happen, they can still do their, you know, get their back mail. Like this all goes back over time when cameras were harder to, you know, nowadays you can hide a camera anywhere.

But back, you know, it just goes back to times when, like, you have to get guys in and drill holes and, you know, into the toilet wherever the cameras go. Gosh, it's all terrible. Yeah, I mean, look, it's all dirty. I hate it this happens. Dirty stuff.

I really do hate that this happened. I do, too. None of the people say that. Yeah. Yeah, this isn't just, like, you know, content. No. It's not just entertainment for us. If I could trade this episode and, like, in exchange, that never happened, any of the

Epstein stuff, I would do it. Yeah. It's not worth it to me. I'm not in for the content. One place we haven't considered That a lot of wealthy people are interested in Sure Is the final frontier

Well Utah These people could just go to space Interesting I mean if Caddy Perry can go to space Caddy Perry What? What? Is it Katie Perry? Is that her furry name?

Caddy Perry Oh, my God. Imagine if Caddy Perry was a, was the, was the, was the, was a madam? Oh, man. Space madam. It was a good point. I mean, if you can say we have to get out of the earth, I'm like, why? Like, what are you talking about?

We're going to live in a rock? Um, but they keep saying, we're going to terraform, like, I don't think you are. Right. I think if you could terraform that thing, you could just fix whatever's going on here. But, you know, that makes, actually doesn't make some sense. Like, oh, like, so it's just, I mean, the problem with that is that is that, is that, you know, if you're ahead of, you know, some kind of

sausage, frozen sausage patty company. You know, a theoretical competitor is a theoretical competitor to Jimmy Deans. I want to search Jimmy Deans. You could have a private plane, right? It takes you A to Z. Or you get on

this private plane, right? My point is, it doesn't raise that much of it. But if you start, you know, and so if you happen to be one of these guys, it goes to, you know, this little scene. It doesn't like, you know, it's not as scrutinized and it didn't used to be right i guess i guess this is also before the age of internet saluting but you start taking you know shuttle trips you start taking rockets into space every time you're gonna do this i feel like it's just a

lot of exposure right it just seems like it defeats this on purpose i said well you don't know what i do there we kind of know what you do there what else you're doing up there we were scientists you know i mean these are it's not like we're given it's not like we're given it's not the astronauts are the ones doing this typically there might be some you know so it's like it's you have to get the guy who owns like an oil company or the guy who owns like we're a politician or you're president hey i feel like i'm on a mars fruit day right what i know orbit the moon you know what they do there so cameras also why wouldn't there's be cameras up there right yeah that's true whenever you launch something in a space people want to film up it's always sad like you just have a

straight out you know they'd be like a satellite that usually just like is you know i don't know it transmits like fucking pay per view porn and then you hit a switch and it just go it drifts over like you know the moon and spies on the moon look it's like a lot of things it's not possible right now right yeah no i just yeah i i i get i do you think in your vision of the world your terrible vision of the world do you think they were like stay up there is there is in your thing i mean i think that's the only way for it to happen. Is that why everyone came to America? Wait, is that why

like this exists? Is human history just like PDFs is trying to get away? Hey, we're going to be over here now. What? Yeah, we're going to Columbus. It's nothing there. No, we're going to go there. It's just like, it's, I mean, we'll build stuff. There's not much, no, I'm trying to build my fortune. All right.

You know, like, he's like, people, uh, his angle's very stuffy. The Netherlands. I want to, I want to be free. You want me,

it's possible, I guess. Then it's why everything, that's what Manifest Destiny was. We're just like, look, and you guys just, we keep,

we keep getting something going and you guys, you know, build every time, every ever rich guy builds like a, like a saloon or something, you know, a hotel for himself. That's the thing.

They always just seem to, want to get away from everyone else the rich. Yeah, they want a castle. You want a castle. I guess they're afraid that people just ask them for money all the time. There must be nothing worse. I mean, I don't like, I mean, homeless, you'll ask me for money. So I got to get it. When you're very rich,

you know, if you don't keep your distance, people will just kind of go, it's nothing to you. Come on. Yeah. Like, subscribe to come. Yeah, it's nothing to you. Hit the notification bell. Patreon.com. Oh, yeah. I mean, it probably happens all the time. Yeah, and, like, you have to, it's not just people asking for it.

People have all kinds of sneaky ways. Yeah. I've tried to ask you for it. Oh, 42 minutes into the pocket, patreon.com slash right come. Extra episode every week, five bucks a month. So you know, let's not come on do it. We also have merch now. We also have been, actually, I should have mentioned it earlier.

And it's not really fully cooked, but you might see, if you go to the store on YouTube, you go to the company, you go to the actual channel on YouTube at least, and there'll be a, you can see a thing called a store. And it was some weird merch. I'll show it really quick Yeah, we'll be growing then I don't know I didn't make

I put the designs up there But I didn't I can't figure out how to choose What I offer? So you have tank tops and baby What are they called? Monseys The baby onesie is the first thing

It's the first thing I don't know how to remove it yet I'll figure this all Everything has to be so complicated You know you like You have people who aren't I'm not a shirt maker I'm a guy with a podcast

Or you know Even if I was a guy Who like Had a YouTube channel where I talk about science like the guy Hank and he does I watch a video of him I'm not a huge fan and he was talking about how many shirts he's selling I'm like I know maybe that's my problem I'm not good at selling shirts he actually is very good at selling shirts my point is you would think that they would make this a little more direct for guys like me but I don't know but this is

18 different things I got to do when like sync up whatever so they're there I'm gonna put more design soon but you have to you have the comp model right let go back click on that really quick so people can see it the bottle you know wine bottle right yeah it's an updated version of the wine bottle so that's fun it won't be that glare the glare thing i don't know what that's about it's only on the sticker you can buy stickers we're gonna get this up and going but it's i don't want to mention it's there and i can't take it down so it's like yeah it's fine you could buy it i wanted to have a nice rollout but this is my point i meant that to be kind of a subtle like funny thing

the guy would be trying and drink a fucking brandy and like meet some kid and you're like bothering him with like I really want to get this merch store and why do you think I became rich for this so that's what you know they want to get away from us but also the other

thing they like the other thing a lot and I don't like that right I mean but don't get twisted I mean it's not it's not exclusive to them they just don't get the concierge service of Daniel Tiger

Mm-hmm True So yeah I mean That's just I mean it's an interesting We don't

And that's happening now Like it must be Whatever's happening is happening Yeah

Like this Pologram thing might take over that But whatever's going on It's not No one's just No one's

I guess that's that Yeah they don't just stop Right They never stop They never stop. Oh, man. Well, there was another thing we were to bring up.

There was this, um, oh, right this story. We have this thing with the, with the chick. Oh, yeah. This is an interesting thing. It's a fun thing. I mean, uh, it's like a fun, not fun, but like, it's an interesting debate or, you know, whatever, like, what do they call these things, hypotheticals? Yeah, it's an interesting, it,

raises a lot of interesting questions. Yeah. Florida man accused of murdering a self-deletable UK woman. I mean, they really I can't say it. I got to say that.

We met on a fetish site. So she wanted to die. She wanted to be murdered brutally, supposedly. Now, I don't know what we're basing this on. I guess we can click on the article. But, uh... I mean, I have to imagine, like, there's no way there's

fetish sites where you're allowed to say hey come and delete me well it's probably one that you can you can kind of you know talk about stuff like his role play right and then you kind of yeah oh yeah role play is like the cover you can't be like I don't think you be arrested

for saying like you know awful stuff you know right yeah but I would just think it would get you kicked off the site oh maybe yeah no right right yeah but yeah 100% but I also think people will run those sites to, like, the most scrupulous people.

I was like, hey, hey. Don't even joke about that. You know, I don't lose them. But are we sure she, are we sure this part of the story is even true that she went on some sight? Yeah. We're sure that she was even like, you know,

wanted to die. Because, I mean, people were pointing out that she got a return, she got a round trip ticket. Sometimes they're cheaper. Not really. I'm kidding. No, yeah, I mean,

to be clear I don't have made it clear the claim is that she wanted to die and she wanted to be brutally murdered and so like I don't get I guess I don't get any of it typically but there's one thing

they want to die yeah it's just it's not it's not something that we're like people shouldn't just be accepting that in my opinion right like we just go

well like some without evidence because you know it's like you know these guys like well you know because you just picture this. Picture this in the area. I don't want to be around the bush.

What if he just did it? Right. But we just murdered this person. Yeah. And just said that that was the case. Yeah, true. You wouldn't want to trust his word. Right.

You don't think of work for murderer. Well, she wanted me to do it. She wanted you to murder. Yes. Your claim is that you murdered this girl and she, but it's okay because she wanted you to. Like the cop can, like there needs to be a very well documented, you know, paper trail, in my opinion. Pretty even consider that.

True. I mean, what is... I mean, it almost seems like an extreme version of, like, I've read in the past that there are some people who use, like, kink stuff as a defense when they, like, you know, if they asphyxiated someone or something, they'll say, like, well, they were into that. It just went too far. Sure. And that seems to have a certain...

I know women sometimes like to have a little hand in the throat. Even that sounds terrible. Even that sounds like press me You know? Like how are we just allowing someone to be like Yeah, she wanted me the murder. What's the problem here? What's I mean what's the problem? Like Why am I even in this interrogation room? She asked me to I should be allowed

What are you phobic? Right Which also but here's the thing this that's just the part of like why are even believing this guy? It's not legal at all to do this. You can't just do that. I mean, if someone doesn't assume she did, you're not allowed to. Like, full stop. I mean, are there actually people who are saying this guy shouldn't be arrested?

I actually respond to a tweet about it, like yesterday or whatever, and like, I don't know, I made the most I was just, like, drunk or something? I don't know, it's not anything you think of that, why they even be, because someone was like, oh, it's just trying, like, brings up, like, a real troubling debate, I'm like, it's not that

troubling, it's just murder. it's the first to be murder actually and so I was like but he asked her to I said like well you can't plead not guilty because she asked me to I literally said that and the guy goes but she asked them to like so there are people who are like

I'm like what's completely irrelevant and like I better explain it more and he shouldn't have to explain that and he responds eventually so that guy at least is at least pretending to believe and it seems to be you know but most people I think are on board

which you shouldn't this shouldn't be a thing Yeah, it's like, like, I never know whether to think people are being obtuse or if they actually think there's some basis for that. I think they want to murder someone. Yeah. I think they like the idea of murdering someone, but they're like weirdly like, I mean, it's a weird thing where I'd love to murder. Like, they don't, they really are afraid to go into jail. Right. Like it's a friend.

It's, you don't want to give any glaze to a murderer. Like, you know, some guy who, especially some guy who murders a young woman, right? It's not even like, I mean, if you were in war or you're like a, you know, a street fight or something. I don't know. I'm talking about. I'm saying like, you know, there's no murder me of a woman. Like, all right.

Like, you're proud of that? It's not like, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, I'm going to glaze the guy up, is my point. But then a guy who like, won't even, who, well, do I have to go to jail afterwards? It's like, geez, I guess the other guy

gets some credit for at least not caring. Maybe he'll get caught and I go to jail. Right. But I'm going to do it. This guy's like, well, only if it's illegal. it's also like people just love it's like I feel like it comes from like true crime theme stuff

or like murder mystery type stuff people just love the idea of someone narrowly on a technicality getting away with something right right like yeah they love the idea of somebody exploiting devil jeopardy it's so weird because like

these guys just fucking kill hookers all the time and cops don't even investigate They don't give a shit. These people treat these victims of disposable in the eyes of law. Right. That's just that's what makes these... Someone's always saying that he's all these serial killers and geniuses. It's not geniuses.

There's no one's investigating them. Right. And all these women are reading these books like, oh, Professor Moriarty. Fucking did this shit. What are you talking about? Oh, I fucking... I used a doppelganger and I went back in time. What?

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27. Conditions apply, details online. But yeah. So yeah, I mean, regardless, I guess we can get to the actual, like, should this be legal in any way? Like, is it, like, it's the extent that it could be an interesting debate, I guess. Do you, like, do you, is there any part of you, like, if a person wanted this? Do you have any, you know, like, kind of inkling towards, like, well, yeah, maybe, you know, maybe, maybe if you, if you, if she signs a note.

Or maybe it's like, I can see on your website, like, starting up where you, like, put your digital fingerprint in and go, I want to die.com. Look, I mean, we could maybe debate the ethics of, like, assisted suicide, right? Well, that's a great one. general, like, you know, somebody going and lying in a tube and the tube fills with gas and they die. Yeah. There's some issues with that. But, like, you know, sometimes it doesn't work.

Sometimes the person ends up, you know, being in more pain than they thought they would be. But, like, you could debate that maybe. I don't know if we have a lot of utility. There's a lot of utility, socially. Right. And you can just let you're just, like, random violent killers execute these things. Yeah. Right.

That's a good point. Yeah, I meant to bring it up, but, like, we don't even allow doctors to, like, give you the pills to do it yourself. Right. Let alone, like, take, you know, end your life. Right. But we're going to let this, like, random guy. Just like, you know, I'm like, what? But, like, if, like, but, look, I mean, here, it really does kind of, there's a couple of things to me.

one it makes it like there's a jurisprudence legal theory thing or it's like well because if you if you allow this to happen you're removing pegs from like the value of life chart you know like well if we don't if we allow this happen because

at some point you need to be able to go no you can't just kill us because we're poor right or whatever right like there needs to be like enough like thing to the government like you need to have human life have a value right for like I guess like you know democracy to work and do

theory or something. You know, I mean, like, these things, you take it for granted, but, like, legal theory had these things had to evolve over time. I think it's something, like, in the Roman era, Caesar could just kill things, people. I think people, you know, the rich, the rich could just do things. And then they still can. I'm just saying, but, like, there wasn't even a pretense at one point, maybe. Maybe I'm overstating that.

I don't, you know, I'm not PhD in Rome, but I've been, you know, English common law is a thing, right? Like, it kind of evolved in the Middle Ages. Right. And, like, you know, we take it for granted now. But, like, that whole idea, then human rights and all the stuff. So if you're, for the sake of, like, the one girl who might want to get murdered, like, I don't know if it's worth throwing out of the way. Yeah.

But I also, like, I think you hint to them is, like, I don't like the idea of just letting some guy who works at 7-Eleven, like, embracing his, like, you know, desires are. I think it's a kind of, you don't want people getting a taste for this. Well, yeah, that's the, yeah, exactly. That's the other thing. Right. Like, if you, if you've ever, you know, read about a serial. killer or whatever a lot of the time part of the pattern the pattern of behavior yeah is that somehow the like death gets associated with sex and they can't be untangled right right and like and

you know the guy kills one person he likes it he realizes it turns him on or whatever right and and then that's and then that's kind of what he's chasing throughout the rest of it what if like we have a chance like he's just this is a thing and like it's a smaller town where like it's not you know i can tinder in small towns is probably annoying how many guys are there for girls and like the chick who wanted to die like you know this guy was like he wasn't just simply well kind of sex yeah I guess right and so it happens that he's up associating that right and he's like well I want to do it I want to do that again yeah I just wanted to fish but I got the steak I like steak you know and then he just starts like traveling around

that's the thing there'll never be enough of these women who want this I'm taking for granted I'm taking for granted that this girl wanted it I really don't mean can we scan through his article I think there are some messages that kind of imply that she originally did at least okay but also it's like this does seem like

oh right someone says she changed her mind yeah right yeah it's the kind of thing that's intense enough that if she changed her mind at any point it's murder is that what she looked like by the way um scroll up basically this girl looks like she's like 17 years old I think she's like 32

Yeah, all right, well But yeah, like she looks young Again, but like, you know, look I'm not one of these age gap people Like, you know, but I don't want a guy who like Was encounter with that, you know, a girl who looked that young

Well, she looked at you know, she was right here Right, but you didn't think maybe she was faking her right You just killed her? It just seems to go It just was something you were going to maybe get into And like you're not, you're saying you're not a psychopath that didn't give you any pause you look at I mean like

it's the one thing if she was like you know if she was like older and had maybe like a bunch of scars and she was wringled and she kind of like looked haggard I think they deserve it but you know someone who's been through the mill you know this is rough now again it's not how this works I'm not psychologist but either is this guy

this guy's a weird guy you know this is not the kind of guy I want around right right like yeah like we're kind of just taking for granted that this guy would never push the boundaries of consent that he's a perfect gentleman what's what i mean how we're taking the word right yeah how we're taking the word of a guy who's like like if she asked me to do i'm like what are you talking about no like honestly like to the start of it beyond the morality of it like i don't kill someone milady i'll only bury you in a shallow grave if it's if it's what you desire right right No, it's so great, like, you know, but the idea that you would even just be like, well, this just seems like a problem. Right. You know what I mean?

You wouldn't even, like, do the research. Like, is this, like, you're like, I mean, there's nothing about this makes any sense. The consent doesn't seem to make it like those you want. Who would do this? Who would care? Who would care? You know what I mean? Like, no one who did this would care.

Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. Like, plenty of people who like, who, you know, commit. grape do it it's not like you have to be like I mean they are the lowest the low but come on we there's plenty of people

in society who do it right it's not like you have to be the most exceptionally great like a unique case yeah and other people are on you know it's like you mean yeah these people think that like ending a human life

is the same as like you know fingering each other like all you need is for someone to say it's okay right but also it's like it's like but he were like care like yeah the odds of that guy like well no that's fine to me and also but their consent means a lot right like come on we're talking about nothing makes sense oh man why do you what do you think he should his sentence should be

you think he should be uh you think he should get some kind of like like like like like clever sentence like people like he should have to be murdered by them I don't know, stupid things. Yeah, I mean, honestly, there is something about this. Yeah. Where it's like, I almost think he should be given, he should be given more. Like, whatever the standard is, do more. No, we want to whip this and the bubble.

We're not going to get rid of murder. Right. Because people are giving it murder for all sorts of reasons. But, like, if there was any idea that you were going to get away with this and that's why you did it, just disabuse yourself of that. Right. We're not going to start, like, in doing it. forcing this because we can't do anything like you're your wife sheets on you and you and you and you do

what they framed and you do you frame for well all right we we will make you you're you're you'll go to jail but you know crime of passion they call it right right or you just or you're just a sociopath but yeah I mean this is a particularly interesting thing where it's like no no you only you only sit you only think you can do it because we're like no we're gonna put you in jail and kill you what could you do to dissuade this guy could you um

you think you should like um you think it should do with some kind of like Hellraiser thing because you usually I mean usually I've researched a death penalty like for school projects back in the day

and like you know the kind of crimes you definitely get the death penalty for like it's kind of one of the oxymorons where you don't tend to be the ones you were like it just doesn't seem be the thing most likely to

dissuade people, I guess. They always say, I'm in Florida, they do the debt penalty here. Like, well, that's really, people get killed all the time. Maybe, maybe people, these places ever have

less crime? Maybe they do. But whatever. I do think that someone who's in this situation would be more susceptible to like, oh, like you're going to put

a weird gear in my heart. Right. Like a synobon. Like all you guys, a synobite would. Citibite style torture until death. Yeah, the Hellraiser guy. It was like, they always do these weird things

where, like, I'm going to put a violin inside your, you know, eurytra, and a seraphon angel or devil will play the violin forever. Yeah. And you'll never die. And it'll be the worst pain ever. And like, this seems extra. But for a guy like that, you want that

just to be, like, clear. Like, I mean, because if that was happening, again, someone who was an sociopath or just someone wrongs him he might do it even though that that's happening on the moon right all the time you look up and see the guy playing the violin with the guy's piss and shit but if you're a guy he was like well yeah I got to actually check it was all right it's not legal because of that that's what you see one you see one reference point I'm definitely not going away with this anyway I think we solved it yeah I think uh all right peter

this RIP this girl who I guess hope is what she wanted yeah

really that best case is what she wanted right apparently she changed her mind

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