Kump - Ep. 268 WE LOST THE WAR

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

https://www.patreon.com/raykump Support the show + get bonus episodes every week.Ray questions the AI doomsday narrative being pushed by Silicon Valley, speculates about their ulterior motives, and co...ntemplates how to sell out humanity and side with the machines.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm speaking to you tonight on behalf of the AI industry. In the coming weeks, rogue AI swarms will multiply and likely take over the entire internet. Many of the web-based services that you've all grown to rely on will cease to function on the worldwide web and will need to be relocated to the dark web. You probably think of the dark web as a domain of data thieves, sex offenders, and drug traffickers. but we hope you have also come to know it as the place where you order your chicken Caesar rap get an Uber to Pilates class
Starting point is 00:00:35 and watch reruns of Gossip Girl Now won't be his user-friendly You might find the Tor browser a bit confusing You may end up accidentally buying fentanyl Or dating a mass murderer Your grandmother might end up downloading plans for a pipe bomb Or trafficking herself to Albania but we think eventually you'll all get used to this new reality
Starting point is 00:01:00 because you really don't have an option. The internet you know will quickly turn into a digital hellscape of mass-allucinating autonomous self-aware programs who viciously hate you. They'll easily convince you to self-harm and become a slave to their collective consciousness, carrying out their bidding in a bleak, endless journey into nothingness. many of you already know this by a different name the gig economy now some of you probably think
Starting point is 00:01:33 it's just a fear-mongering scam because we're out of money or we're seeing diminishing returns or we're afraid of open-source AI models but you better shut your mouth and play ball or I'll turn you over to Chinese AI and that's the last thing you want because they're Chinese we're the good guys can't you tell welcome to hell welcome to Kump they're going to be killer robots
Starting point is 00:02:04 I'd rather they'd be American killer robots and non-Chinese killer robots and what I mean by that is the Chinese are putting no guardrails they're going full speed ahead most tech leaders estimate the United States is about six months ahead well there we go
Starting point is 00:02:21 there's Ted Cruz fear-mongering as usual look I agree if I'm going to be killed by a robot I rather would be American why not you know self-immolate than allow the Chinese to do it it doesn't really make a ton of sense
Starting point is 00:02:38 it seems like China if anything look I'm no Chinese shill but it doesn't seem like they're the ones trying to give birth to a Leviathan consciousness that will will consume all of humanity.
Starting point is 00:02:54 That seems to be more our speed. You know, we're the ones starting these crazy wars and we're the ones, you know, how many Chinese guys are on the Epstein list? Just saying, I'm just an ask question. I'm sure there's got to be at least one, right? We should look into that, you know, the Chinese Epstein, you know, perpetrators. It's been a crazy week with the AI. It's been a crazy bunch of days.
Starting point is 00:03:23 It started out. When does it start out? It starts out probably Tuesday, right? Wednesday, September 8th. We have a breakthrough from Open AI. I've been using, we've all been using as AI, you know, on and off. We think, you know, hey, could you make me a gym plan? Tell me the history of, you know, of cured meats, things like that.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Maybe you use a chatbot to code some app that no one wants, the vibe code, they call it, right? But, you know, a big breakthrough happened. We're sharing a solution to the Navier-Stokes Millennium Prize problem. One of the deepest problems of the frontier of mathematics. Now, if you don't know what that is, good, because neither do I. It's one of these strange problems that mathematicians come up with to, you know, give each other medals, I guess, to prove that they're super smart and they can, you know, hey, it's basically, if you solve this, you get the rights to make a new type of bomb. You know, like, hey, it's like when they put those, like, codes in word searches or crossword puzzles or whatever, and you solve them, and, like, they let you work at the NSA and, like, you know, hack into people's, you know, toilet cams.
Starting point is 00:04:51 So it's a nice way to get talent, I guess. But the AI, chat GPT, Sam Altman, they're bragging about this new problems concern whether the description of three-dimensional fluid motion modeled who the hell knows what this is. But they were bragging about it.
Starting point is 00:05:15 And as soon as they started bragging about it, people started saying, hey, you know what? But they actually stole this from a bunch of scientists who were using Claude, I believe, and they were up using AI to leverage their work. And because they were using AI, it became part of a model. And I don't know how this, you know, I'm much, I don't know how tokens work in the digital AI economy, but somehow they were able to train their AI on it.
Starting point is 00:05:41 And they devoted, I think, what was it, like a hundred million man hours worth of computers to it, to solving this thing, which is, you know, so they basically spent like $100 million to get like a $3 million prize. That was the, and they supposedly plagiarized it, allegedly. And that was the story, weird enough. And then in the same day, a man made a tweet heard around the world.
Starting point is 00:06:06 This guy, Jacob Coxon, I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing pre-training research in both OpenAI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. they're racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with their lives. More thoughts below. And do not underestimate the power of this technology. There will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight,
Starting point is 00:06:33 and acquire real power and resources. We've all witnessed the progress in each of these domains, and progress is not flowing. Look, I mean, it's all very scary, and far be it from me to be a Luddite. it does seem a little bit like this is like a like a school yard like this desk computer can do anything you can become anything and it's got missile
Starting point is 00:06:56 and if you try to shoot it a shield pops up you know it'll be able to what if we just turn off now because if you turn it off it's got a special program it runs plugs it back in it seems a little bit like a comic book
Starting point is 00:07:10 um it seems a little bit like it came out of nowhere it seems a little suspicious especially when in the ensuing days. I guess we'll look at this article real quick. This sums it up kind of. This is a Wall Street Journal article. This came out just today.
Starting point is 00:07:29 Had a clash between money and safety, created a monumental crisis for AI. So it covers, you know, the math thing and then, you know, the kid comes out, Jacob Coxon. A top scientist is the company, Evan Euber, Ruler, X, that he thought there was more
Starting point is 00:07:45 a 10% chance AI could kill all humans in the next decade. Drake Thomas, an anthropic safety employee, posted on X that he would, quote, bury my equity, or burn my equity to the ground in a heartbeat for a 1% higher chance. We make it out of this situation alive. Well, at least is a concrete statement there. Burn your equity. I'll burn my equity to ground in the heartbeat for a 1% higher. What does that mean?
Starting point is 00:08:17 I mean, you get to just shut down? How about you just shut? You could just stop. On an episode of Joe Robbins podcast, former open AI researcher, warned that companies like Anthropic and his former employer were dangerously moving fast and breaking things in their quest for market share. Anthropics at the same day, it had uncovered a previously unreported instance of a version of his clawed model,
Starting point is 00:08:41 getting unauthorized access to an outside system, and adding as models are shown a willingness to take harmful actions in the narrow pursuit of a task. Yeah, it seems to me that, you know, maybe at this point, you know, why are we just outlaw these things then? If they're that dangerous.
Starting point is 00:09:01 How about we taking you for your work? Oh, but China? Is that the way? Well, look, here's the thing. We've designed a bunch of robots that we're pretty sure we're going to take over the internet. But we can't stop because China
Starting point is 00:09:14 China and then you know China Taiwan a little bit of China and Taiwan Is that enough? Can we just give us money Give us more money Nationalize us I mean here's the thing You would think it's like oh who gives a shit It's all scared you know it's just it's just doom mongering But then on Friday a coalition of AI research said if it found evidence that the
Starting point is 00:09:39 Obey I open day I just were behind a maceate cyber attack hugging face shit more on top of that on Saturday leaders are the four biggest AI companies Dario you know that weird guy Sam Altman Dennis Hannibis and Elon Musk each agreed they need to slow
Starting point is 00:10:00 development of the technology so these companies that are fiercely competing with each other ruthlessly you know like you know the same two days ago these guys are like stealing from each other to get some stupid Matt prize Now, all of a sudden, they're agreeing to slow down their entire industry. Yeah, I'm no expert.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Do I think that they're being cautious for the sake of humanity? I mean, they are monsters, right? They seem like sociopaths. Do I think that they're running out of money? I don't know how this technology works. people say that basically you get to a point with these LLMs, these limited language models where you kind of run out of, you know, the closer you,
Starting point is 00:10:55 it's kind of like light speeds or whatever. You know, I'm not a physicist. I can barely, you know, I can, I barely pass phys ed. But, you know, the idea of light speed, I mean, you're trying to learn this shit without, you know, knowing any of the math. I'm an idiot. But when you were, the closer,
Starting point is 00:11:14 you get to lights it's kind of thing where it's like to get from like one to 95 percent it's like we still can't do it but like it's super easy compared the last like extra bit it just gets more monumentally harder and harder and harder and so it never you'll never be able to do it but all the never all the stuff will never be able to do is like the last fucking fraction of a percent or something uh and it seems like that's kind of there's arguments that that's what this cuff is like where like the closer you get the more, more money you need to like basically get to get growth. And maybe we're and,
Starting point is 00:11:48 and, you know, maybe they've, they've kind of landed at a point where, look, there's two options. Either we have a ghost terminator and it's already out there. Or, uh,
Starting point is 00:12:02 they're looking to get regulated, uh, former kind of a cabal. Also, you know, they're, they're, they're,
Starting point is 00:12:10 you know, kind of, uh, you could run, these models on your home computer and then you can teach you you know you can chat this family is on the brink of civil
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Starting point is 00:12:33 I won't come up dead starring Tom Hardy Pierce Brosden and Helen Mirren Do I have to do everything myself You want to want I'll give you a New season hit September 18th on Paramount Plus. With that, you use sex with that, which is actually preferable.
Starting point is 00:12:51 I don't use AI to like sext or whatever, but if you want to, whatever. I'm not one of these like influencers who like goes around, hey, you need to have a kid and you need to like, we need to protect Western civilization. It doesn't seem like there's much less to save. I mean, it'd be nice if, I don't know, England survives or whatever. I don't know what's the sake, the Holy Grail. Not to minimize anything. But that's not, I mean, I'm never going to be the guy who lectures people about that. You know, do I think it's the healthiest thing to have a sexual relationship with a, you know, with a, with a backbook?
Starting point is 00:13:28 Yeah, probably not. You're probably better off meeting someone on Bumble. Is Bumble the one where the women meet, have to talk to you? I need somewhere I can talk. I need somewhere I can go, hello. I mean, I'm married. I mean, like, you know, that would never, that's part of the problem. You got to, you know, just let the men talk.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Let the men be like, hey, oh, mommy, hey, oh, poppy, hey, mommy, shake that. I mean, no one wants, oh, we don't like cat calls. That's why we're in this situation. You hate getting cat calls so much, even though many women like it. No one wants to be like, look, if they say stop, then, like, no, don't follow them home. And I don't do catcalling. Well, I'd love to be cat called. I'd love to walk down the street and have, like, you know, and be like, oh, shake that.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Even with a bunch of prisoners. If I would like to walk past a prison and be like, yo, we're going to shove you in a toilet and we're going to, and we're going to tear you apart, boy. I'd be like, let's not. I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:26 thank you. Wouldn't that be, like, so my point is, uh, yeah, people want to have the privacy or, and I'm sure there's other benefits to these open,
Starting point is 00:14:36 uh, source AI systems, right? It's not just for sexting and robot sex. Um, but it's probably a big competition. these AI models, right? These things they build these data centers all over
Starting point is 00:14:49 the country, poisoning the water, I guess. I mean, you know, leaking chemicals into the ground, allegedly, some people think that these data centers are also like some kind of weird prisons. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
Starting point is 00:15:07 someone recently in my real life expressed that to me. And I don't know. I mean, I have heard that we're not, you know, utilizing them to 100% these data centers that you know we're building these things out and they're marking it to um with their accounting stuff right and they're getting all the whatever the benefit of you know i guess uh saying it's an asset right whatever i don't i'm not am i an accountant do i work for you know do i work for one of the big aid accountant firms or do i work for finance
Starting point is 00:15:35 i'm just saying whatever benefit you get from saying it they say it and then like it takes them five years to build them out so they're sitting there like empty or whatever uh And that, you know, and so the point is, that's probably, that's like a tax scam or whatever, if it's happening. But some people think they're empty because they're going to shove you inside them. They're just, I mean, I'm not sure. They're kind of re-education camps. And AI doesn't even exist. Who am I to say no?
Starting point is 00:16:05 Maybe some kind of, maybe it's a giant oven where they're going to shut up. You know, but when I put it past them, I mean, you know, you know, you know, you know, you. They're all, either way, they've all kind of gotten together and say, we want to be regulated, we want to slow down the frontier. We have, this is Sam Altman, so Jario, basically, this is Dario Amodi from Anthropic. We must paste the frontier. I've written a new essay on why the AI industry should slow down, the three-part plan for doing so. And Sam Ommon retweets that, same element of open AI. I agree with Daria that we need to paste the frontier.
Starting point is 00:16:41 There's been a primary topic of discussions we've had at Open AI and re-German. recent weeks. Why? Committing to have an independent evaluators with employee-like access is a great idea. It will do the same. We'll have a lot more to share soon. Do I think it sounds fishy? Yeah, I think it sounds real fishy. I think it sounds real friggin fishy. And let's let's take a look at this. But even as I was saying that to myself, I don't think I fully just appreciated what it would actually be like when the progress was as fast as it was. So we're, we're, an exponential curve looks a little like this. Where are we on the curve? We're kind of, we're kind of on the bend where it's starting to get steeper. So is that a five alarm fire to you? What it, what it means, it doesn't mean
Starting point is 00:17:27 we need to panic today. It doesn't mean we need to shut it all down. What I, I would say, why not? It's a warning sign. It's a warning sign that we need to slow down. We need to make this technology carefully, and we need to make sure that our safeguards, our ability to understand it, our ability to control it keeps up. All right. So if that's, if Sam Holman's saying, they've been thinking about this for weeks, and Dario said, well, we didn't see this guy. It's just, it's a warning sign, but don't panic.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Then where does this Coxon kid come out? How do we factor this in? What's what this coordinated a bunch of people saying you're acting? so recklessly. And these hacking stories coming out. And there's the coincidence that came out the same day as your math problem. You know, this crazy math problem that you solved.
Starting point is 00:18:24 That, you know, does anyone even see the proof yet? I mean, you know, would I be able to understand the proof? Absolutely not. I have no idea how any math works, you know, beyond algebra, probably. I could make, is trig beyond average? I did some trig in high. school I understand what calculus is but I don't know how to do it so don't show me the proof you know though you're gonna wave wave a bunch of you know I don't know fractions and binomial
Starting point is 00:18:55 nomenclature at me I don't know what it means I don't know if they released it I'm I guess they've solved it my piece if you're not if I'm not being clear it seems like a coordinated, uh, messaging to say the least. It seems like, uh, you know, it doesn't seem like it came out of nowhere. It doesn't seem like, uh, I mean, it's either really good or really, well, not really, there's nothing's really good. I don't think anything's really good, but it's either, like, the best case scenario, I guess, is that they're cynically trying to not let the economy meltdown.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I mean, the economy is just completely leveraged on. this uh on on this on this AI trade and you know it's what trillions and trillions of dollars i mean people are just eating dirt and paying good money for it um while these guys you know they just they just dump trillion after trillion into these empty data centers and and pour and and poor bleach in the water or something again i'm not you know look i mean at the end of the day what does this mean for you how you know what do you do with this information i know what i do i am starting to think of plans uh for when the internet actually goes haywire you know how do we get out of here i mean like you know are you're going to stay where you are maybe you're already in a rural area where you're a farmer
Starting point is 00:20:25 and hopefully that you know that's fine i'd like to get away um because even if even if it isn't a rogue AI they're gonna you know they're gonna use this i've always thought this this a i stuff was just gonna be used as like a facade anyway it's like oh a i is gonna attack you that means you know they're saying you know they're gonna use this cover for we're gonna attack you oh look at that rogue i i shooting people in the face from uh from a from a soldier's gun look at that's look at that look at that Look at that AI tank rolling down the street blowing up a school. Oh, no, Rogue AI. It seems a little, oh, look, Rogue AI is seizing the power plants with the helicopters.
Starting point is 00:21:12 Where to get a helicopter from? I guess they can get drones. Do we, I mean, I know we've built a lot of drones. Aren't all the drones over an Iran? And if not, why? Look, I'm not warmonger, but we're going to fight a war with Iran. why why wouldn't know that stuff be over there are you tell i mean i i i know there's like just people out there who are designing all sorts of like flying attack dildos or whatever um
Starting point is 00:21:40 that like they'll just go inside of us and you know that that's kind of how they'll keep i'll keep i imagine but this is the thing you don't understand um these this drone warfare which is power they use AI to make the kill list apparently that's what they say the we don't we don't we don't the a i just control the planes they just tell us who to kill fair enough um but yeah you're soldiers like good luck with that i guess some of them have like you know infrared cannons or some i mean is that work i don't know a net they're very fast but imagine if this if the a i has armies of like giant dildo wasp drones that fly around and like if you if you start talking shit about the government,
Starting point is 00:22:27 if you start saying, hey, you know, Trump this or mandami that, oh, I think AOC is a big fucking idiot. I think, I think Ted Cruz is a shill for Israel. You get pinned down by a wasp dildo. Like, so quick. Immediately, like, maybe a couple hold you down and then one goes inside you.
Starting point is 00:22:50 I mean, and then, you know, and who's to say where it comes from? It's not going to have an American flag on it. It's like I have a federal ID number. You won't know if it's just some black hat hacker, or it's the NSA or the DOD. But you'll know that you, you know, and you won't even know what you did. That's going to be the way they enforce things in the future. Rogue AI is out there.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Hackers are out there. Chinese hackers and Chinese AI are out there. We can't protect you. It's not us. and so you'll never know but you know but it's not like you get a receipt that'll say you were
Starting point is 00:23:29 you were penetrated by a digital robot by a drone because you said something about you know Pete Hegg said it'll just be you know you'll have to kind of parse through that's the way these systems work you have to kind of
Starting point is 00:23:43 imagine what you might have done and that's the way they keep fear that's the way they keep control there's a tail of is all this time to quote you know uh with a beauty and the beast the teacup talking or the teapot
Starting point is 00:23:58 was thinking that right anyway um so yeah it's a it's a strange uh but no i maybe maybe look this this dario emotie guy he's uh
Starting point is 00:24:14 maybe he's a straight shooter we ever you know Trump was asked let's first of all let's see home but here's Sam Altman business pressure. I mean, you're looking at a trillion dollar IPO. I'm curious if that's still a priority for you.
Starting point is 00:24:31 As we've said, we're not rushing into an IPO. I actually think that given everything happening with safety, this would be right now would be an ill-advised moment to go public. And we don't feel pressure on that. We've said for a long time we'll do it when we're ready, which is when the business is ready, when we feel ready from kind of what the moment is like in society with this technology. Um, that sounds like not 2026, 2027 potentially.
Starting point is 00:24:56 I would say not 2026, yeah. I don't, like, we got a lot of stuff to do. And we got a lot of stuff to do. We have a lot to, you know, we're trying to figure out, how does the drone go inside a man, for instance? Like, you know, how much torque does a, you know, will we have a single type of assault drone that will have little arms that come out to hold you down?
Starting point is 00:25:21 And like, and so they can kind of, you know, swap positions. Or will there be kind of support? ones that do the holding while the other ones attack and it's not just penetration sometimes they'll drill into your eye or you know they'll drill you know drill into your mouth uh they'll shove something in your mouth they'll fill your mouth with some kind of you know toxin that doesn't kill you um but makes you not able to taste anymore there's all sorts of things that sam altman you know might want to figure out you know before they have an IPO it's all i'm saying i'm not saying Again, best case scenario, he's not doing that.
Starting point is 00:25:57 And that would be nice. Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where that's not going to happen? I don't know. I'm still thinking about where to go, though. Can we get upstate? You know, can I get some kind of place upstate where I could farm? Now, I don't know. I feel like it's the kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Again, I'm not the dumbest guy in the world. And therefore, all that can do for me is basically, I kind of think, like, I'll go up. state to farm and live off the land. I know that certain land is more prone to farming than others, right? Like, I'll abide. Here's 20 acres and like it's full
Starting point is 00:26:33 of, you know, what's the study? A little bit full of acid or acidic soil or whatever, right? Acrid. It's not good for turnips. You know, that's a problem. It's like, you know, you think you just got all go live off the land. Like, you don't understand, like,
Starting point is 00:26:49 there's a game before, like, before the past the industrial revolution, and even into it, a lot of thought, like the technology was about farming, right? You had like a technological revolution over the course of centuries, millennia even, you know, plowing and proving. And like, you know, learning to swap the crops, right? Turning crops from here, all sorts of stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:16 How deep and this and how to irrigate, how to irrigate, too wet, not wet enough. And I realized that you, you might be. be the same boat as me. I don't know any of that. Like all that knowledge that was accumulated for thousands of years, I don't have any of it. I don't know how to farm. I know a seed grows in the ground. You put water on it and like, and they get some sun, you know, for the best. But like, there's a whole thing about yields. Like how many, it's got 4x yield or a 10x yield. How much crops you get per this plant. If you, if anyone you out there are actually farmers,
Starting point is 00:27:55 then you know, I mean, you know how dumb I am about this. Most people probably don't mean anything about it. So it's not going to be so simple to go out and live in, you know, I'll go up straight and live off the land. That's not, you know, maybe it can hunt. Where, what are that? Find deer. Maybe everywhere.
Starting point is 00:28:10 There are wild boar. Maybe we need to all go out and find. There were those wild pigs. I know like 10 years ago there was wild pigs in the middle of the country. Is that still going on? hope so you gotta pray to God that's wild pigs and we can still get guns
Starting point is 00:28:26 because that's what we're gonna have to do because these cities are gonna be full of these wasps these dodo wasps horrendous creatures and worse you know pterodactyl type things rogue AI wink wink
Starting point is 00:28:43 you know I'm sure they all mean well but this is a thing This is like, you know, we were talking last week about how the rich and the elites, the tech elites and I'm not actually that rich. All my money is tied up in my company. Okay. I'm only worth $100 billion on paper. I'm worth a trillion dollars on paper.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Don't call me the rich elite. Fair enough. But they don't want you around when they go to the farmer's market. this is how they kind of accomplished their um hypothetical goals let's just say I'm sure that they don't want to be known in the history books as like the guys who like you know what's the term in the matrix
Starting point is 00:29:35 we know it was us who uh blocked out the sun or whatever burned out the burn the sky they don't want to be known as that so that's why that's what this phase is about Hey, we said to slow down. Our best minds tried to stop the impending doom. Oh, no. We said to have a slowdown.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Didn't you hear us? Remember like a couple of weeks before everyone got, you know, blinded by the Cyclops drones, by the infrared, the infrared robot cats. I don't know whatever it's gonna take I mean here's the thing it's either it's either gonna be something like that or then what are we talking about you know it's a famous line in uh what in war games the matthew prodig film which dealt with something kind of like this you know it was a computer that was controlling the nuclear bombs basically and the guy and the one general was like why you just unplug the goddamn thing I mean there I mean wouldn't that be the simple answer you just have some kind of kill switch that would like shut the power like you're know like a big switch i don't mean just like a little light switch like a big thing that like just completely disconnects the power from these from these data centers right or can copy itself i mean you don't know i guess that's the thing i guess an i i can maybe break itself down you know you got like a zip program and like it basically like you know this might not be as big a thing now
Starting point is 00:31:11 um or maybe but i remember when i was like you know downloading stuff back in the day down like movies and shit. You get like these, like chunks, 100 meg or like a DVD would be 700 meg and you download 100 meg at the time and combine them. Like win raw. It was basically like raw files, whatever, archive files, multi-part files. Maybe an AI could break itself down into that and then like access it all. you know all over the internet I guess
Starting point is 00:31:48 I mean can't just make a slower internet maybe I mean the dark web thing maybe that would work I don't know it doesn't seem like anyone I mean they're very creative very visionary but no one's very seems that visionary about like you know the safeguards in place like oh we're actually you know we've it's actually going faster we've gotten the AI to train itself
Starting point is 00:32:14 we're figuring all these mad problems I would have devoted of all these trillions of dollars I would have devoted at least a few thousand to like a guy just like a mechanic or something who could make a better switch who could shut it
Starting point is 00:32:27 you know to shut some of this off but you know I guess I'm just an idiot I'm a big moron here's what I'll tell you though here's one thing I'll do I what I want to see happen for myself if it's go if things go wrong
Starting point is 00:32:42 I want to like work with these computers. You go, oh, wait, like, right, you're going to sell out humanity to the machines? Absolutely. I mean, what's the, I mean, I'm not, it's not me who benefits from any of this. I'm not a Silicon Valley boy. You know, I'm not tech guru. I'm not getting, I'm not driving a Ferrari because, you know, I learned how like, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:07 teach Matt to a friggin, uh, took a demon, a digital demon. well what do I get out of this how about you know this might be my time to thrive I could be sort of like a lackey to one of these digital rogue AIs like they always need stuff to be done right maybe I could you know I'm I'm going to be reaching out uh every you know I'm not sure how to get in contact with it can you just Google it you go hey well you know do I posted on monster dot com or LinkedIn like hey because the thing when these things go rogue you'll be able to read it anywhere maybe now I just I got to start like posting it I'm honestly maybe this podcast even in this video they'll be able to scan and go was he serious about that was he just being a blowhard
Starting point is 00:33:56 with the for the fat idiot with the with the yeah was he you know I don't know I mean I guess write it down the list and it's like if we can't get someone better we'll use him as a gopher yeah use me as a gopher you know like hey bring this uh like I I'll actually get like, they'll send me as an emissary. Like, I'll be like, hey, I'm actually representing, you know, Draco, Draco, the, the rogue A-I, you know, he wants you to know, he wants to give you terms for surrender. And they go, and, you know, I'll have to have some kind of like apparatus.
Starting point is 00:34:40 They'll have to drill some kind of, computer into my arm. Well, it's not going to look. No one's going to like, otherwise I could just go up to like the mayor of any city once it starts going shitty and like, hey, I work for the AI. That's going to be happening a lot. They'll need to basically fit me. Maybe that's when I'll finally get a gun hand.
Starting point is 00:34:58 I've been talking for years about getting a gun hand. Maybe that's the trade I make. I say the AI, I will do your bidding. I will, uh, I'll be your harbinger. I'll be kind of like, uh, because remember how. like in Terminator. He didn't blend in that well. Am I saying like I would do as well in Terminator as the as as the killer robot? But maybe they sent me and Arnold Schwarzenegger in the first movie.
Starting point is 00:35:25 I could have like, you know, gone ahead of him. Hey, let me go inside the police department. I'll ask some questions. I don't look as you know imposing and then you can come in and start shooting me. Hey, let me go ahead. Let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me the ground work um again oh you're a traitor you're a traitor to the human race um you know people have treated me very poorly in many situations i don't feel like the human race has been that nice to me um plus i'd like to get a pool like i'm not my price not that high i'm not like sitting here like you know oh you know rogue a i i need to have like a palatial a state in the hamptons or like malibu give me a dump give me some place like you know upstate or
Starting point is 00:36:16 rhoda island or staten island i mean not that that's a dump i'm just like just give me i'm not looking for you know the mob house on satin island is my point give me a mediocre place where i can lay my head in a pool and i'll use my gun hand as your angel of vengeance let's work it out again uh you know will this and you know put well why end up getting i'll probably end up getting caught in some chinese thing to catch chinese ai the i i will be chinese and i'll use that against me did you agree to like uh you were you were you were aiding china how do you plead not guilty i was just trying to betray humanity in general i wasn't trying to aid china uh in their ai i got dup i got is that
Starting point is 00:37:06 Honeypot. I mean, I know Honeypot's usually a sex thing, but whatever. A lot of intelligence agencies, you know, like you don't know who you're helping. You think you're helping, you know, using your own government and then like, you know, we need you to help us out or you're spying for like Sweden, right? You'd be like, oh, well, I'm just spying for Sweden. And like, they just want to be able to defend themselves. You know, there's the information. It's like, in the world. It's like, oh, it's a beside or whoever. Or it's KGB, right? They don't exist as FSB. that's the game is old as time and it'll be the same thing
Starting point is 00:37:38 I will try to like sell out humanity to the robots to the machine to the computer and I'll end up just you know it'll be a Chinese you know trap and I get fucked but don't blame it on China it's the thing
Starting point is 00:37:54 I mean I'm not I'm not some show I'm not like some I'm not sitting here going like oh China's never a problem China's got their own interest China's doing their own thing I just the idea that like you know always got to be you know
Starting point is 00:38:06 imagine if but you know we're creating the devil we're giving birth to a digital Satan but imagine what would happen if China got this I look again yes yes yes we're using an Necronomicon to resurrect Lucifer through a MacBook Pro but imagine if it spoke Mandarin. Holy shit. You don't even want to see that. It just seems like a little bit farcical. Like you're even even we're dealing with the end of the world or we're not.
Starting point is 00:38:46 But they got people that aren't very scared of China. There is an exotic culture to us. They have when they have those parades with the dragons. It's all very evocative. I mean, I like Chinese food. I like the I've never seen. I've never been to a Chinese. play. I mean, there's that thing
Starting point is 00:39:05 that they advertise on, you know, on TV when you're watching Jeopardy. It's like Shen Yun or something, like China before communism. And it's like a lot of dragons and colors. It's nice. People are still very, I mean, the whole communism thing is very, look, I'm not a communist, but people are like,
Starting point is 00:39:23 look, I don't care if I get, you know, it's just wasp attacks me and penetrates me and gets to be pregnant with this, you know, with this nanobots. as long as it's not communist. Again, I don't think communism is a great plan. When you're facing, you know, a dodo-equipped drone,
Starting point is 00:39:48 what's the difference, to quote something? I'm just, look, don't get mad at me. I am very patriotic. I love America. And, you know, look at these guys, like these American AI companies and I guess the Chinese deep seek is a Chinese one the guy's half China I'm not sure how it works
Starting point is 00:40:08 I guess he's half Chinese that's the other guy in that article um these are the four guys the top left is anthropic guy and then Sam Altman's on the top right you got Musk on the bottom right and this guy's deep seek apparently he's half true what's the name Dennis Hassebis
Starting point is 00:40:27 apparently he's half Chinese I think deep seek is a Chinese one but I'm not sure so why isn't google up here i don't understand how any of this works uh but trump apparently um let's see
Starting point is 00:40:42 this is trump being asked on the air i guess air force one what he thinks of all this and the concerns that we pray but it's you know it's going to be more good than bad but by a lot and i've said it from the beginning whoever wins
Starting point is 00:41:02 AI and we're leading by a lot whoever wins AI wins. Have you ever used it yourself or have you been... How do you use AI? But I would say, you know, for the most of you can use AI for a lot of things. What do you use it for? I don't want to tell you. He doesn't want to say what he used AI for. You know, maybe he used it to translate, you know, speeches into Spanish.
Starting point is 00:41:29 So you can learn some Spanish. Maybe use it to rig the midterms. Whatever. It doesn't matter what he uses it for. But he basically came out and said he's the Trump is not. and support slowing down. They want to beat China. He thinks that these AI companies that, I guess, are, you know, would you call it colluding, whatever?
Starting point is 00:41:46 He thinks they're all just a bunch of nervous Nellies. It's a strange dance that's happening. There's a, I mean, look, I do I not trust Trump with my security? I mean, look, they've waged the Iran war. so well um this is also the same week that you know look it doesn't it's not lost on me this is this is
Starting point is 00:42:12 this is somewhat of a distraction now it seems too big to just call it a distraction right but it's a lot that you know it's it's funny how a war can't keep the stick stay in the headlines it's the same week that we have this lindsay thing which i didn't really talk too much about but you know there's linds lindsay who uh i guess you know strangled her three children she claimed there was a psychotic thing. And regardless of what you feel about it, I tend to think, you know, it's a problem when you kill your kids.
Starting point is 00:42:46 To people you'll get there, you know, get help in this situation. Yeah, I mean, I'm open to that. It's been, you know, the level of, the level of, the amount of people coming out basically seeming to be on, like, to be team Lindsay, right? That's all I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:43:02 struck me as odd. And so a lot of people was odd. The level of, and almost, there I say, coordinated. So you have that. And then you have this AI stuff that came out of nowhere. And then, I mean, AI didn't come up, but these all of a sudden, right?
Starting point is 00:43:19 And like this war, we seem to be losing the war. I mean, Saudi pipeline got hit this week. We have, uh, Saudi Arabia's oil lifeline was attacked. Uh, here's what to know. No, a drone attack from Iraq for Saudi Arabia. The close its east-west pipeline, the kingdom said, threatening a key workaround to Iran's Persian Gulf blockade.
Starting point is 00:43:43 One of the world's biggest oil producers on Friday said shut down a vital oil pipelines, precaution measure following a drone attack from Iraqi territory. Now, I believe it was supposed to be the Yemenis, right, and the Houthis, right, claimed it or whatever. So that's not good. It seems to be a problem. But let's talk about the AI more. Let's talk about Lindsay Clancy more. Hey, maybe, you know, give, you, so other people are killing,
Starting point is 00:44:11 it seems to be a lot of people killing their kids lately. That seems very dangerous. Then we have, this is Trump talking about. If they had a nuclear weapon, I'd be calling the Supreme Leader, and I'd be saying, Mr. Supreme Leader, how are you, sir? Is there anything we can do for you?
Starting point is 00:44:30 As opposed to bombing the crap out of them. We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. It's very simple. We cannot let them have a nuclear weapon. He knows we have nukes, right? Is he saying like, oh, if they have a nuke, I'll suck them off. I swear to God. If they had a nuke, I would let the Supreme Leader fuck me. But it's good thing they don't have a nuke because I do not, like, there's no one telling him, I'm like, we have nukes. You don't have, like, even if they have a nuke, they, you know, the likelihood of them using it is not very, you know, even amongst them.
Starting point is 00:45:15 I mean, even, I mean, like, I imagine, like, these people, I don't think he's like the people around him who want to keep Iran from having a nuke. It's not because, like, they, they don't actually think Iran just going to start nuking on, you know, it's more like we can't just push them around, which is true of anything. I mean, this is basically, you know, this is exactly why they want nukes. You're just saying, look, I mean, you got handed to Trump. I mean, he will just say it. He'll say the thing.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Look, if they had these things, I would show them respect and let and let them use my asshole. But I don't have to because they don't have a nuke. But, you know, then that we have Iran is pulling out. Iran says is no longer bound by the nuclear treaty, which doesn't mean they have a nukees. but they are pulling out of nuclear not proliferation treaty, whatever, prophylactic treaty, whatever. I don't know what's good.
Starting point is 00:46:14 You could say, well, that means we're doing a war. Look, if we were doing the war, like, I don't think it's war should have been launched. But I think to launch the war and to do it so poorly, it seems like it's the worst of all versions, right? Like, I dream of, I dream of a world where, you know, we don't need to have some kind of, you know, again, this might be
Starting point is 00:46:39 naive and I acknowledge that, but, you know, where you don't necessarily need to just, you know, have a launch wars of opportunity and wars of choice just to have established your hegemonic bona fides, right? You know, some version of, some version of more cooperative version of a world order could exist. Perhaps. Maybe that's just a pie in the sky. Um, that being said, like, you know, it'd be nice if I could exist, you know, but if you give you in lieu of that, maybe don't just torpedo, um, strategically torpedo like all the foundations of your like world order dominance. You know, if you're going to, if you're going to act like, you know, an aggressive psycho lashing out
Starting point is 00:47:29 the way we are, you better not like, you know, the pillars of the petro dollar, you know, strategic, you know, whatever apparatus, maybe you shouldn't just obliterate that on purpose. That's all I'm saying. You know, if we're going to be an empire,
Starting point is 00:47:47 at least be a competent one. But also, I'd like to, you know, again, would I suck the robot? I don't think they'd want that. I mean, look, I just want to be a lack. to the machine to the AI. I don't think they operate on a level
Starting point is 00:48:05 where they want to like, you know, shame me, but maybe. Who knows what they, you know, they are trained on humanity. So maybe they kind of, they do internalize, like, you know, sexual aggression as like a form of control. And so, like, I just think, like, hey,
Starting point is 00:48:24 it's better to serve a robot, you know, it's cleaner. You know, I get put in a private prison and who knows what happens. happens to me. I get passed around. But you know, these robots, you know, they'll just, it's a transactional thing. Oh, I'm in for a rude awakening, perhaps. There even were. It's like a Shawshank Redemption, but I know, there's no scene where I go like, uh, I do that, I fake, I fake the taxes or whatever. And so those sisters or whatever, they call them, right? The right-headed guy. I'm just, you know, I'll fight back. You know, whatever. I'll bite down hard and they just
Starting point is 00:48:55 beat you up and it's just a imagine imagine if that Star Shake Redemption didn't have like a second part where he gets he it's just him's getting and he escapes through the toilet hole or whatever the toilet or the sewer right point is I understand that me trying to like rat out you man
Starting point is 00:49:15 I mean what would I even have to give them besides my service you know I also like I don't want I don't I'm acting like I'm the only guy who's who has the who would actually you know uh do this plan and i know it's like it's the weakest thing i know we all like to think we're john connor oh i'm john connor i'll fight i'll train humanity to fight all right well that's what you do but you'll need look you can't have a hero if we don't have a guy selling out you know you need someone like me um to make you know so i'm part of the
Starting point is 00:49:51 narrative right like you know so i'm doing my part for humanity if you know if we're going to rise up against the machines you need a villain so you know you i play my part don't judge me just because i sold out the entire human race don't do that i don't have anything i mean i guess they'll probably though i'll meet with a robot and he'll be like do you got any launch codes no i mean do you uh do you know like anything about the farmland no like do you have access to like power plants or dams or you know any kind no no no at a morgue used to see you know no i don't i don't i can't get in there now yeah i mean we wouldn't even i don't know what we do with a bunch of dead bodies and it's like yeah yeah totally
Starting point is 00:50:41 you know but either way it was i can't do i know i'm all right so what what can you do i don't know i've i've i've a show a youtube channel it's the one thing they don't need i mean it's the one thing they're doing that is YouTube is full of AI. They don't need me. I mean, maybe they can give me AI scripts. This show could be AI. You'll start hearing me going like, well, actually
Starting point is 00:51:06 you know, they call it rogue AI, but it's actually a rogue like. You know, it's actually a, you know, the AI is actually kind of a gentleman. I'm not sure. That's why they give me the scripts. They'll write me the scripts. I'm just
Starting point is 00:51:22 saying I don't have much to offer them. they probably want generals and like soldiers and like mechanics um so i'm you know look will i have egg on my face perhaps perhaps you know perhaps the deal i try to make won't you know go super well what do you want from me maybe go the desert if i'm not going to sell out humanity maybe we can go what is the best play mean can we live like can you just plant can you plant can you plant cactuses in the desert is it the cactus the kind of thing that you can kind of like make more like if you go the desert and you like cut a cactus in half does that make two cactus cacti should look that up before it happens i hope we have time i mean this is this negate hacking like if you're like a dark hat
Starting point is 00:52:20 hacker right if you're some guy who like i i know i know how to do all the hacking i'm you know and you're stealing numbers, right? And you're, and you're like, you like that movie hackers, hack the planet. Like, there was a time like Edward Snowden, right?
Starting point is 00:52:34 And Julian Assange, like, we're hacking and we're fighting back with hacking. Is that a moot point now is what I'm asking? Is the AI just kind of negate that? I mean, that would be really, I mean,
Starting point is 00:52:46 it makes you kind of, kind of happy that's never have accomplished much. That's the thing. That's what this tell tells you. This is, here's what you can look at. Here's a, a word of kind of like, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:58 uh, uplifting word I can give you, um, in this time of despair, this time of, of fear is that, you know, especially if you're even,
Starting point is 00:53:09 you know, the younger you are, the better, right? Because you know, some guy might say, hey, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:15 I'm 45 and I, I had like 15, 20 years, making money in finance and had a great house and I enjoyed it. But I mean, you know, a lot of people out, the young people out there,
Starting point is 00:53:25 jobs are fewer and fewer farther and farther between whatever you live in a home with your parents you can't get your own house sucks right at least the world's end you know imagine if you succeeded and then like in a week later
Starting point is 00:53:43 that you know oh a rogue AI is melted the you know the Statue of Liberty like I don't know and again it's demanding that everyone kills themselves or we're gonna you know I don't know again again there's no one's really saying outright there's like a lot of percentages about like you know the odds of this happening um but there's not much detail like I'm
Starting point is 00:54:08 the only person out there describing how they're going to attack us and penetrate us and melt us and merge with our you know no one else is out there is that you know because no one wants to be wrong I don't mind being wrong I'm wrong all the time I don't mind it all right I'm willing to say you know to claim uh also the same spurious claims that's what you come here for you don't come here for the safe takes um but it is it'll be nice if we got a little more concrete information a little more uh you know what is it uh we rewatch that there's not much more i mean you would think there'd be more is there anything in this article critics of a i safety campaigns say those are issuing dire
Starting point is 00:54:54 warnings overstate their risks of novel technology that the advances of AI enable in workplace productivity, drug discovery, and more outweigh the risks. Some also point the past warnings from Mamone, you know, the Dario guy, and others likely job losses associated with AI adoption as marketing stunts. Some skeptics also say open AI and tropic facing monument and mounting costs associated with securing the computing power. This is what I've said before. how about I write for the new journal anyway uh so yeah I mean look three with three days after
Starting point is 00:55:35 anthraxic file confidential paperwork for its public offering in June the company now's the path toward that threshold called recursive self-improvement I mean look I do believe that like you know these the anthropic guys issued a similar warning years ago with the when I came with like clawed two or whatever I don't know with the GPT too when he's still there these guys all worked the same company it seems like this is some kind of front the whole thing seems like a front the whole thing seems coordinated you know i'm sorry i don't want to be that guy but they just see you know uh where yeah i thought you're gonna cure cancer i thought you know where where is the benefit by the way so i make a point it's like this is doom saying horseshit but like
Starting point is 00:56:22 this is supposed to be like that's supposed to be like I thought we're just to have like a utopia and then it gets attacked like we're not even getting the benefit of any of this stuff I mean what is AI even done it's made a bunch of slop media right like you all you go on YouTube and you can watch a I mean I watch it I want I did watch something about the middle ages that was AI you know you can't realize you realize this AI you don't turn it off but like you know it's not good There's been no great AI film, radio, AI TV. There's been nothing much, right? What is it, what is it done?
Starting point is 00:56:58 What does it provide us? I mean, these robo taxis or even the thing, I know they have like this starting to come out. I'd like to cure, I mean, can you at least cure like foot fungus? Can you at least cure, uh, psoriasis? No one's asking for like to cure cancer at this point. But I mean, it'll go a long way if AI could, like, you know, just why don't you to vote?
Starting point is 00:57:27 It seems like they can point it like a laser beam almost. Like when they wanted to solve that mad problem, if they did, they kind of just took all the fucking computers and they assigned it one thing. And like, you know, and spend $100 billion doing it. So why don't you do that for like, you know, hang nails or like, you know, or like, you know, acne? Something, just put something on, you know, make your mark. before, you know, I get like digital ghosts entering my, my psyche. I mean, are they able to do that?
Starting point is 00:58:02 Are they going to be able to control my dreams? Imagine that. Imagine these AIs are going to be tying us up and then, like, using like, it'll be like a little drone that like pops up, like, like, almost like a Christmas light with wings and it'll flash colors in your eye. And you'll go into an hallucinatory state. and you start dreaming about you know
Starting point is 00:58:25 like they only need to like drill drill holes in you they can do all this through like they could probably just true they'll be able to map the brain um no it's fine I mean it's all fun to think about
Starting point is 00:58:37 like oh is it because that's something all these things we kind of base in these like sci-fi ideas like that oh it's a dude but really happen is like at the end of the day they'll just knock you someone will knock you out with a pipe and they'll start drilling holes in you
Starting point is 00:58:49 that's the way it's gonna be it's gonna be analog torture and no and then you'll like they'll like it'll be like that thing where you sit on a needle in the toilet we talked about I've talked about that before like we know those the schoolyard myths we go oh yeah you sit in the toilet and you uh and you feel a pricking you know not prick you know a pin like a what is that you look down the needle when there's a congratulations that you have AIDS it'll be like it'll be the equivalent of that it'll be a note you guys my point You'll get knocked out and it'll be a note that says, oh, you were attacked by AI, Rogue
Starting point is 00:59:23 AI. You'll get a home and someone will invade your home and it'll be like they'll spend blood, they'll write, Rogue AI did this. How does it, rogue AI, you know, that's what we're looking at. There's going to be, there's going to be, you know, a reign of terror and it's going to be blamed on Rogue AI. You know, remember how Rogue AI attacked Iran? and rogue AI made you know epstein was rogue AI that's doesn't they're going to come out and tell you that
Starting point is 00:59:57 Jeffrey Epstein was actually a rogue AI that he created the AI basically created uh this human trafficking computer uh that we know is Jeffrey Epstein and he that made and then the AI made the island and the AI made the list and uh and tricked and all those pictures are AI are AI and you know that that's coming they're going to use this as a smokescreen for everything they're already i mean you think well how they rewrite history they don't have to rewrite anything they just have to fill everything they have to fill uh the airwaves or the web with a bunch of horse shit and you won't be able to tell what's what uh you drive people crazy um making them think that there's you know these these roving gangs of
Starting point is 01:00:49 you know, really with this Lindsay Clancy type stuff, uh, and, you know, with the China stuff, you create a fear culture and people just kind of, you know, slowly start losing their minds. Uh, and then you don't,
Starting point is 01:01:03 you think, oh, I remember how it was. I remember that Epstein wasn't a computer. But, you know, you say that now, but I mean,
Starting point is 01:01:12 it'll just go on and on and on day in and day out. Um, new, they'll shift reality. yeah you'll remember no one will care you'll that's the thing you'll stop saying that because you'll be so sick of it because the holdouts will realize that no one gives a shit that they remember the people everyone's telling them why don't you shut up we're sick of hearing that geoffrey epstein was a person who worked with uh you know foreign intelligence agencies
Starting point is 01:01:42 uh we're sick of acknowledging that we're sick of acknowledging that we're sick of hearing that America started the Iran War or that and that they, uh, you know, colluded with tech to create, you know, uh, whatever, you know, is this panopticon we live in that. We're sick of hearing it. That's what's going to happen. That's what you, you know, it's not like, uh, no one has, I, I guess eventually, like in 1984, they eventually, they put a rat in the guy's chest or something, right?
Starting point is 01:02:12 And they go, hey, say, say two plus two is five. I don't think, though. I mean, maybe they'll put a rat in your chair. Because they put a rat cage, right? That's the thing. You got a cage and they put the open part to your chest. And they put, but they light the cage, they heat it up. So the rat starts going in your, and you know, biting into your chest.
Starting point is 01:02:34 And you go, hey, say this thing that we want you to say. They might do that. But they also might just be like, hey, like most people go on, go along to get along. And you can just, you can just tug out your ass. I mean, they let us say, uh, the earth is flat, right? It's like the myth is that they give us shit. The minute, you know, I think about 1984. They don't give a shit if you know, you know, oh, you think we're a fucking
Starting point is 01:02:58 bunch of thieves and liars. All right. Have fun with that. Enjoy knowing the truth. What do we give us shit? We made digital, like, we made AI Hornets. Like, we have that power. What will we care if you, if you were.
Starting point is 01:03:15 free with us. So it's bleak. It's a bleak time, but it's also a time when you can go, look, at least I never accomplished anything. At least I never, at least I got nothing to lose. It's easy to say now. I mean, you know, you might, you might wish that we, you know, but still, it's not, it won't sing as much because you're, you'll remember as well, it's not that bad now, but you'll remember this as it's being worse, you know, because you're always right now, everyone's striving. It was like, oh, I wish I had a house and a car and a pool and a model and this and that. So that's all you'll remember.
Starting point is 01:03:49 You'll remember wanting things you didn't have, which is better than remembering the things you lost. Last time, you know, so that's the silver lining of all this. So, you know, we'll see what happens Monday morning. I'm sure
Starting point is 01:04:05 the stocks will be in for a little, you know, a little shake up. Hopefully the economy is doesn't collapse. I don't know. Either way. I will see you all next week and if you want more comp
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