Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #117 Jason Ellis

Episode Date: October 18, 2019

On this episode I'm out in Venice with my good friend Jason Ellis. Jason is an Australian satellite radio host, professional skateboarder, mixed martial arts fighter, truck racer, boxer, rock singer, actor, and author. We get into his early career life, MMA fighting and plant medicines.    Connect with Jason| Website- https://officialjasonellis.com Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/wolfmate/?hl=en High and Dry Podcast- https://apple.co/2WH3854   Show Notes| Ellis Mania 19 Tickets - https://outlawenergydrinks.com/collections/tickets   Show Sponsors| Onnit Hydrocore Bag https://www.onnit.com/hydrocore-bag/ Get 10% off all foods and supplements at Onnit by going to https://www.onnit.com/kyle/   Vital Farms https://vitalfarms.com/ghee (For a chance to win Onnit Products and a 1 year supply of Vital Farms Ghee for free   Caldera Lab https://calderalab.com/kyle Use codeword Kyle at checkout for 20% off your first purchase of (The Good)   Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on: Website | https://www.kingsbu.com Twitter | https://bit.ly/2DrhtKn Instagram | https://bit.ly/2DxeDrk    Subscribe to the Kyle Kingsbury Podcast itunes | https://apple.co/2P0GEJu Stitcher | https://bit.ly/2DzUSyp Spotify | https://spoti.fi/2ybfVTY IHeartRadio | https://ihr.fm/2Ib3HCg Google Play Music | https://bit.ly/2HPdhKY  

Hello, friends. Today, we've got an awesome guest, my man, Jason Ellis. Jason Ellis is a host of SiriusXM show that is really cool. He's had me on his show. I mean, he's had just about fucking everybody on his show. Longtime professional skateboarder, was on the Tony Hawk tour, and is a huge fan of MMA and boxing, so started training in that as he retired from the skateboarding game. And he's just a fucking fantastic human. He's one guy that I've really gotten to know over the years. Of course, heard him first on the Aubrey Marcus podcast and met him out and on it. And he invited me last year out to Ellis Mania, where we got to fight each other for charity, which was super fun for me because I was on the winning end of that.

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Without further ado, my man, Jason Ellis. We're clapped in. I saw that. Pull that thing up to your mouth. What thing? Oh, this thing? You tell me how to use a microphone? You like that?

That's awesome. There's a nice little jab, right? I'm going to show i'll show you some kettlebells afterwards put it to my face he's still away from you it's fucking close enough i'm really loud see i know what i'm doing you don't quit buttering his nuts ryan enough i'm very piercing into a microphone i know that's good hey well i'm over here and i'm still fucking annoying as hell yeah but you start looking around the place we're gonna have audio loss dude this is not gonna go well if you're gonna critique my fucking radio skills from the start well let's uh i know i'm not certain of who listens to my show, other than the fact that I think it's like 80% dudes.

But I am nearly positive that a vast majority of Aubrey's listeners listen to this show. So I don't want to, as much as I want to have that same show, I don't want to have that same show. Does that make sense? Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, because the fact that your show on Aubrey's was really what made me a fan of you. And we'll link to that in the show notes, so we don't have to rehash it, but that really

was a fucking beautiful show that you did with Aubrey. Cool. Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad we're not going to talk about that. That's awesome. Let's talk about fighting and shit? Yeah, let's talk about fighting and shit. And let's also talk, I do want to get, we just had your boy, Matt Cuthbert, on the show right before you yeah i love him he's such a great guy right such a great guy but i do want to get kind of the at least the background on how you

got into radio and all that and and you know your appearances on stern and what that led to you having your own radio show and getting here with podcasting okay uh radio was more of an accident i did say one time when i was younger that i felt that i had potential to move into radio because i always knew that i could talk i was always a bit of a talker uh but that was more of a joke that i would make you know like oh when i retire from skateboard i'll be in radio and then it was just flat out Tony Hawk got a radio show. And it was an odd relationship where I was more of a party kind of. But I wouldn't say punk rock because I wasn't into punk rock. I was into metal. But I was definitely a dark horse of skateboarding.

And Tony Hawk is the Tony Hawk of skateboarding. And me and him became friends because he's kind of a sick fuck. Like he's kind of into really tweaked humor and stuff. So me and him became friends because he's kind of a sick fuck. Like he's kind of into really tweaked humor and stuff. So me and him became friends. And then he said to me, do you want to be a co-host of my radio show? I'll pay you. And I was like, why would I not want to do that? That sounds awesome. And I didn't know that he thought that I'd be good at it, but the day I did it, the first day I did it on his show soon as I started I I knew it I was like oh my god I'm good at this and I remember skateboarding and all the other things that I've dabbled and given my my life to to try and figure out how to be good at it and all of them were way harder from the start than this This was the first thing I ever did where I went, I'm like Tony Hawk on this.

Like this is natural to me. Skateboarding was a prick. I sucked at it. I was the worst at it. I just kept going. So when I did that and then the bosses were there because they were there to kiss Tony's ass, they were like, who the fuck is this guy?

And then one of the guys said, hey man, you're doing really good. Turn it up a little bit after the break. Let's see what you got. And I remember thinking it started to feel like I'm being used as an athlete again. They're like, this guy's got something. And I was like, do I?

Oh, man. Cool. Am I cool again? I've got a gift again? And it was one that was longevity you know you know i you know longevity like you're an athlete that whole thing where i was like i don't want to stop being good at skateboarding it's tough to get over i really didn't want to not ever be really good at that but it happens and then radio i was like man i might be able to die doing this yeah like it's not even that far-fetched that i

could just be like you know and fucking die. That was my job all the way. There's a lot of old farts on the radio, even on TV. Look at how long Larry King's done it. He's got a fucking farm. Cowboy. It just tells whatever he wants. That sounds cool. Hell yeah.

When did you get with Sirius? That was it. His show was on SiriusXM. Oh, okay. So you already had the in? That was it. His show was on SiriusXM. Oh, okay. So you already had the in. I've never been on terrestrial radio. I don't know how that works. I've been told by my bosses that I don't realize how lucky I have it because in terrestrial we have more bosses

and you obviously can't talk the way I talk. So from the start, I didn't have any terrestrial ability, which kind of made it more attractive to listeners, I think, because you got SiriusXM and there was this guy that talked like he'd never been on radio before, before podcasting was big. So, you know, fuck this and blah, blah, blah about my life. I was very honest from the start. So I think that's why it works.

But it was a music channel. I got a DJ job. I was just supposed to talk in between songs for like one minute. And then I kind of just talked longer and I kind of get yelled at. And I didn't really care because I was still a skateboarder. So I was like, fuck you. Yeah, you're a suit. I talk longer.

Yeah. And then I had a meeting in New York and I was like, I'm sick of everyone fucking telling me to stop talking. Everybody calls. Everyone says they want me to keep talking. Why don't you just let me talk? And he just said, all right, how long do you want to talk for? I was like, I want to talk like an hour and then play a song and then another hour.

He's like, okay. I was like, really? He's like, yep. I'm like, okay, well, I'll see you later. Yep, see you later. I'm like, fuck, did that just happen? And that was it. Just kept going and turned into a radio show.

And I had a really giant attitude where I told everybody, fuck you. Don't give a fuck. And I'll play this and I'll do that. And all the bosses hated me. And they didn't fire me. And everybody just freakishly listened. And I had millions of people that listened accidentally from me talking about fucking Slipkknot cereal and shit just being super high and saying weird shit and you you i mean my brother-in-law a lot of people got turned on you

through howard how'd you get hooked up with howard i got uh there was a comedian friend of mine bob levy like an older guy east coast like really weird like tough guy comic like old school version i feel and he was on the show a bit and he was friends with Stern and been on the Stern show a bunch. And he said, I was trying to get on there. He's like, you got to pitch him a bit. And he came up with the idea, not me. I wish I could take responsibility for it.

But he was like, you should try challenging another guy on there who is also uncircumcised. So how many M&Ms you can put in your foreskin, they'll love it. Aubrey loves this. Right. Oh, yeah, no, I keep forgetting that that dude brings that up in front of girls to make me seem like I would be fun in bed

or attractive. He looks at me like I just gave you a compliment in front of these ladies by saying you put candy in your dick and spin it around on a Howard Sturgeon. I'm like, I don't feel like everybody wants to fuck that guy. But whatever. He's like, yeah, it's working. He put all kinds of tires in there. Just keep saying.

Yeah. He always ups the ante. He's like 50 peanut M&Ms or 50 golf balls. Jolly ranches, whatever you want to say. But yeah, so he pitched it. Well, he said pitch that. And as soon as I did, they said they love it. And we want you to come.

And got flown in and got like a bunch. They do like interviews before the interview, like three. Oh, wow. Yeah, very serious. So I was like, man, this is really crazy. And it was kind of, it's that same as skateboarding to me i was like this is i got uh put in with the big dogs and this is where i go right now like this is everything to me like i was so fucking nervous but also super amped like i did push-ups in the green room

i was not fucked which would suck because it made my dick smaller. I didn't realize that. But at the same time, I was like, I was so past trying. I just wanted everyone to listen to my show by doing so good on the Howard Stern show. That was the fucking whole point. So my penis didn't really count. Maybe when I first took all my clothes off and I was like in front of Stern, I don't take my clothes off in front of people. I kind of do now, but not then.

And I'm just like, man, I can't believe it's, I'm doing this, you know, like this better work because this is a tad humiliating, you know, like some dudes like trying to hold my foreskin to get more M&Ms in there. And I'm like, oh my God, I hope this is a really successful thing you know because you can't tell it's just those people in there they're laughing but i don't know but i tried to be as funny and as quick-witted as i could involving while my dick was out you know and i felt like they liked it and they wanted me back and people started listening to the show more because they're like hey man that was really cool didn't even know you had a show.

So that helped a lot. And then he had me on a couple of times. So that goes a long way too. That's awesome. And when did you start your podcast? Because you had Elastronics first and then. I didn't even want to do that. But Aubrey said, you should have a podcast.

I'm like, I have a radio show. He's like, you should have a podcast too. Wouldn't hurt. You can make some extra money. And I was like, really? He's like, I'll pay you. I'm like, oh, well, then, yeah, I should have a podcast too. Wouldn't hurt. You can make some extra money. And I was like, really? He's like, I'll pay you. I'm like, oh, well then yeah, I'll have a podcast. So I had a podcast and it was with Tully.

And then I was going to have Kevin on it. Another guy that works on the Jason Ellis show. And I was like, we're going to do it at my house. And they're like, yeah, I don't want to go to your house. And I'm like, okay, well it's for money. That's so well. I was going to pay you. You could be 20 miles away from somebody. And they're like, we're going to do it at my house. And they're like, yeah, I don't want to go to your house. And I'm like, okay, well, it's for money. That's so well. I was going to pay you. You could be 20 miles away from somebody.

And they're like, no, no, no. That's going to take an hour and a half to get to you. And we're talking, they were three miles away. But anyway, I said, okay, well, then I'll do it by myself. And it was kind of scattered. No real plan. Just busy doing my other show, you know? And then I would just do this by myself for an hour and

i just didn't think it was that good i felt like i needed more organization i felt like there was a social media part of it that was missing and the more i the more i focused on it the more i was trying to find a change that's where mike cathwood came in because i know him to be a great radio personality a talented guy who, you know, we started lifting weights together and I talked to him about the podcast thing. He's like, I know these guys control forever that do like crazy media and visual and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, man, we talked to them. He's like, I'd do a show with you.

And I'm like, you would? And then I thought, I don't want to half-ass anything, you know? Yeah. So let's just fucking go as hard as we can. And as soon as we started, I don't think we really knew what we were going to do. But I think it's starting to evolve into something that might not be the most popular avenue,

but I don't care about that. Like, I don't do, I did that. I've done that more than you, more than anybody. I've been trying to be popular my whole fucking life i got it i get it i mean it's pretty good it's fun i got some free shit it's awesome but it's not what it's about i don't care anymore and i and i got a job so i don't have to i don't have to uh uphold any shit for you i i can just give it to you the way i want to give it to you if you don't like it don't listen to it okay yeah but this shit is trying to help people i feel like catholic is one of those people who's a straight

man that really understands that community like the gay and lesbian and trans people and he has a really kind heart for all walks of life so it makes him super understanding and and he wants to dive into stuff that most of the time when i do shows, people don't want to get into that because it's not their cup of tea or whatever that is, and I get that. But I'm trying to help those people that you don't know about that think that nobody cares about them and thinks that they're wrong for existing. Yeah, I think that's a big one.

I really like the podcast for that. We can do other stuff too, but that bit, I feel like, is the most important part to me. Yeah, I was talking with mike about the importance of that uh paul check brought up this prostitute archetype and i've i know i'm beating a dead horse here to my listeners but uh the quick of it is the prostitute archetype used incorrectly is when you do something you don't like with no means to an end you just continue it to do it like a 40 year old stripper who knows nothing else or even a fucking

50 year old fighter who can't get out of the game right there's no transitionary period i'm gonna do this as long as i can and who gives a fuck about what happens after that then you have the prostitute archetype where you do the thing you don't like as a means to the end that would be the stripper who saves up to go to college or or whatever any any avenue right. But it kind of, it goes in tandem. Like you don't have to have the job you don't like and save up all the while to transition that works too, but you could still do something. Maybe you'd like it. Maybe you don't, but then you have your true passion on the side of that. And that goes in tandem and that doesn't even have to pay the bills, right? It could just be something you've really fucking enjoy. And as long as you're doing that,

you're able to be creative. You feel like you have a voice. You feel like you really fucking enjoy and as long as you're doing that you're able to be creative you feel like you have a voice you feel like you can fucking express yourself in a way that maybe you can't in your everyday day to work right i feel like if people don't use that creative then they don't know it's gone they don't know they weren't they were uh supposed to be using it yeah like some people just get stuck in that little rut i mean a lot of people do where they're just like i just do this miserable job and i take it every day and i wake up it's not that great everybody else's life is probably better but i'm still showing up and that's your existence i'm not about that that's hard living if i know so many people in australia that did that you know that made that inspired me more to i got a job and i got a plane ticket and i got the fuck out of there because i was like i'm not gonna do that i could tell i'm not i was always thinking of stuff i was living

in the complete opposite dimension of everybody else i was like go nine to five go i was like i was like i'm gonna be gonna do i'm gonna create gonna do this very i mean i used to take time off school and just hide in an alleyway until from nine till three no problem just sit on the ground and just think of skateboard tricks i could just see them you wouldn't practice skating you just visualize i didn't want to get caught oh okay i mean i was so ridiculous but i was so bad at lying and stuff so i just hid in the out in this alleyway because i figured if i got on a train or something that somebody's parents or somebody might spot jason on the train today and I'd be fucked. Yeah.

I don't know how long that worked. But daydreaming worked good. I could do that good. Yeah. Well, there is so much to that. You know, like visualization does fucking work. So that's really cool that that was kind of how you put the practice work in. Yeah.

I feel like it. I still use it. When I used to do really hard tricks when I was really good, I would do it in my head over and over again on the deck. Just keep – and I could talk to you while I was doing it. It's just in – I was seeing it, doing it, what your hand's going to do, when your timing is, over and over again. And then that's why I would get super angry because it wasn't working out in my head.

It wouldn't make any sense, but I'd be walking up and down on the deck super frustrated because I'm like, I don't fucking want to do that. You're going to get fucking knocked out. Damn it. Figure it out. People, you watch some guys, they'll do stuff with their fingers and it's their legs. You can see them going, trying to figure out shit in their head.

When did you transition into MMA and start getting into more of the fighting background? That's just from when I'm, when I did the radio show and started to have a job, I knew that I couldn't, but that was the end of you're going to not get paid when people figure that out. And I was already on my way out. So I moved to Temecula and to get a house.

Cause I got a wife, she got pregnant and I found a gym because there was no ramp in Temecula. And I was like, I got to do something. And I'd been getting into watching pride fights. And I was super into Ernesto Hoost. You remember when he fucking beat Bob Satwo? Just a leg kick. I wasn't even familiar with a man that could kick a leg

and make a beast stop moving from a kick to the leg host is one of the greatest of all time i was so intrigued by this man and how he had this technique that stopped this giant i mean i've still never seen anybody more terrifying than that dude when he was in his prime and that leg kick made that dude stop walking and i'm like i gotta learn how to do that and then i met kick cope at carrie and alicia's wedding and we became friends and then i trained with him and gina carano they taught me how to jump rope taught me how to kick the heavy bag this video of me kicking a heavy bag and it hurting my shin because i'd never kicked a heavy beat i was like no idea what's going on and gina corona sparred me and kicked me in the head and he was saying crocodile crocodile to her and i'm

standing there like an idiot going the fuck does crocodile mean is that an awesome reference giant fucking leg tail hits me in the side of the head i was like oh oh okay you guys are doing that so that got me into that and i used to drive to vegas and train with kit on the weekends got in bug got me loved kickboxing he would beat me up i thought it was great and then uh i went to team quest because i lived in temecula dan henderson spot yeah and i just trained there and and every now and then i'd see you know dan henderson and i was familiar with pride and what he did to vanderley not so long ago because it was around that time and he walked by i'm like holy shit the dudes that are on tv are in this fucking gym in temecula no way and

then ryan parsons who was his team guy was he knew he was he was like, hey, man, you skateboarder? I was like, yeah. He's like, yeah, you're a pro skateboarder. I'm like, yeah, yeah. And then he's like, what are you doing here? I'm like, training. I want to learn MMA. He's like, you should train with the team.

I'm like, really? Yeah, anytime you want. So now I'm just in team practice. And I met Mayhem, Sokuju. Sokuju was the first person i sparred he's like what yeah and he's like uh big fucking giants and he's already sweating and shit i don't know nothing dude and he's like you know just you can throw some punches throw some punches and he and i threw he's like you throw harder than that come on come on and i remember like throwing a right

hand and hitting him and he goes oh it's good it's good. It's good. And me going, it's good. Who are these people? Just freaked out by, you know, and then, and then, um, Mo the wall was there learning MMA with me.

So it was like, I was learning in May with a guy that was so fucking further ahead of me every step. Cause he was this crazy athlete who was this crazy wrestler. And he's like, what do you mean? How you do? Oh, like this. And this and i'm like that doesn't i don't do it like that i love mo man i gotta i had a chance to train with him he's always a student in the game he just recently retired i know but just a great fucking dude he helped me a lot he helped me like we went through a lot and i broke out with my chick and he uh him and uh soa palele were like being befriending me and be like and so we're talking about being in prison and hey man the only person that came

to see me was my chick man so remember you gotta hold on to that shit mo like trying to help me like we became friends mo broke up with the chick once and called me it was like what should i do man i'm like man we're really like that may Mayhem, Gabe Rudiger, all those people I started training with. But they just let me in, dude. And I just became the worst guy on the team of Team Quest and was super pumped on it. We're doing sprints. And Ryan would bring up every now and then, there's a fucking retired pro skateboarder over here.

If you can't beat this guy you shouldn't be here and i'm like you're like thanks for the vote of confidence everybody beat me but i beat gabe a couple of times because he was so fucking lazy that's why i thought i could beat him in the boxing fight in ellis mania that's how that whole thing happened i said something on the radio about but you had so you had three professional m fights. Is that correct? No, two. Two. Okay. And then was that at Ellis Mania or was that?

Oh, you mean when I fought Gabe? Yeah. When I fought Gabe, I'd had one pro fight. Okay. And you started, when did you start putting together the Ellis Manias?

Ah, man, that's gotta be 12 years ago at least. And it was just at Fortune's boxing gym. And the only reason I know Fortune is because Mayhem and Rio Chonin went up to Hollywood and took me there to sharpen my hands because I'm on Team Quest and I'm doing what everyone else is doing. I got to sharpen my hands up for my fight that I'm never going to have.

Because at that point, I was just happy to... I'm like, well, you guys are going to sharpen your hands. What the fuck is that? And then as soon as I met Justin, he's like, how's it going? I was like, how's it going? Where are how's it going where are you from melbourne where you from sydney right and then me and him became outback friends and i quit mma and just became a boxer because he convinced me that all that shit was for pussies and jumping roads for pussies, speed bags for pussies, warming ups for pussies, wrappings for pussies. What else was for pussies?

A lot of stuff was for pussies. So you guys would just come in and spar? I just went to the gym and did this and sparred people like before work all the time. I did not know any other way. I did not realize until many years later that I was hurting my friends and I was hurting myself and I was being like super irresponsible with the sport because no offense to him he's just old school he didn't mean he didn't want me to be a bad person but I mean when I sparred people and I'd go under the rope and he'd be like, Hey, knock this cunt out. And I go, it's 10 AM on

a Tuesday. He knocked the he's I, we all know him and you didn't, he can't hear you say that. What kind of an asshole are you? I'm not knocking this. It's just weird that he would always do that. Yeah. I think, I think a lot of people in mma and uh certainly in boxing like that that old there was an old school mentality there you know and then now we've seen the shift obviously with all the fighters getting hurt pre-fight specifically in mma like the week of or the week before and um yeah everything takes time to evolve you know football did they used to have leather helmets all over hockey everybody's you gotta say oh you kids don't even you guys wear helmets it's like and then you got to feel bad because you're in this macho game you got to feel bad or insecure for not having a helmet on you know like oh yeah i guess i i guess

i am a bit of a pussy because i got a helmet on it's like what if i just want to remember tomorrow you dickhead like how do i how am i a pussy because i want to recall my life yeah i mean it's it's there there's so much there because it's such a thing that gets overlooked and i think when we get into things like that it's not you obviously understand you're going to sacrifice your body to do something you love and care about right but there is like it's still like maybe i do pay attention to that a little bit you know just a little like if i make sacrifice i'm i've got no problem making sacrifices losing days of my of my existence for the things i love i i did that for skateboarding i love that more than anybody on the

planet more than any human more than myself all i wanted was to be good on that fucking skateboard. Dying for it. Dying to win a contest. I would have done that a thousand times. If I try to get, like, make a deal with the devil. Like, I would go do it. Take my soul. Just let me win, like, three contests. Fuck my whole life for it.

So when you have that mindset when you're like 17 to 30 it's not so hard to make you know like oh i'm gonna get hurt if i do this or i won't walk as much if i do mma more or you know kick people i'm like i'll until i really see like jiu-jitsu i'm like okay i really see a thing where my knees from skateboarding my hips if i keep doing this i will like not be able to walk properly like i'll probably start to really waddle i'm like you probably should let that one go and it wasn't like my passion anyway so it's not so bad but boxing i feel my i can't kick as much anymore but i can still use my hands and i can

still move just you know and because i'm so old school i was trained just to punch and stand in the middle all these new things that i'm learning now doesn't matter if i get older i'm better every day because i just never even tried to cut angles yeah we were we were in cabo and you were talking about that like that transition and and you, giving the caveat of your age and your experience level and not thinking you're going to rise in the ranks or anything like that. But just knowing like this is something I can continue to learn and be a student of that gives you great satisfaction. Amazing satisfaction. Me, you and John Beer were sitting on the boat on some substances on this yacht, trading war stories. And we immediately shifted into how we hack flow

because i think it started with meditation remember that yeah so we're talking about meditation and and um you know just how you find quiet mind and like the greatest hack of all time for that is to find something you really love and enjoy doing and then in that moment you're not thinking of fucking anything else it's the deepest quiet mind you can ever attain right but how boxing now is that for you? Yeah. No, I've always got to find one. It used to be people would say, oh, you're an extremist.

You're always going to find something extreme. I'm like, no, I really don't like that word. And I don't, I'd rather be into golf because I realized the less, I mean, the injuries are not really there, but it needs, all I want is to find the thing where i'm in a meditation state and for me meditating is hard if i can hit a heavy bag for 45 minutes there's a bunch of meditation in there like if nobody disturbs me i have one in my backyard i can disappear you know every now and then i'll be like i'm getting my arms getting burned or something but this sun will make remind me that i've been out there but i'm'm just doing, you know what I'm saying?

Move my foot. And I'm like, no, that wasn't right. Keep working on that one and I'm gone. I'm gone in my little world, whatever it is. So you've, I mean, we've, fuck, you've got to, I'm sure from skating, you've got more injuries than I do. I'm going to Columbia to get stem cell. Are are you what are you going to do in columbia i'm getting stem cell on both my knees my are they doing the baby dust doing who the baby dust

what kind of stem cells are getting there the the shit that's not allowed states oh they have umbilical stateside okay okay so it's probably cheaper there then i really like i got an umbilical they did chuck liddell oh recently and they're doing matt hughes right now okay and they so i i know they're good people i had stem cells in the left knee with umbilical and i think it was fucking incredible like absolutely incredible so there's certain ben greenfields tell me that there's certain types of stem cells that work better in different parts of the body like if you were going to go in the spine you wouldn't necessarily use umbilical and maybe that's right or wrong but there are specific places where it works more effectively but i love the umbilical yeah because i had it out of the for the moon back and they explained to me

that you're 47 and there's not as there's not as many stem cells you don't have as many so when we're what we're injecting into you there isn't really as much as say what we're going to give to you that you know the amount i don't know cc's it sounded like a fucking shitload of stem cell in all and then they're like well extra your hip and if that needs some as well because i might i had some in my hip but we'll do that as well okay i'm just like cover all the bases yeah five days just in columbia getting worked that'll be awesome that's what keeps things stuck together because they are pretty loose it they it i was surprised how well it worked and how quick it worked we did um systemic in the vein we did in the knee and we also did intranasal vein like i got plugged fucking mainline that

shit like heroin and that's supposed to just go kind of where your body needs it most of that i think goes to the gut to heal the gut. Cause that's, I definitely felt it. And here's how I felt it. And I couldn't tell. And I was talking with Dr. Craig Conover, who's, who's I don't need to name drop. He's, he's, he's a doctor for a lot of who's, who's in, in health and wellness and podcasting and whatever, but he's a great guy. He's, he's Aubrey and my, that's their go-to guy. But he, I don't know if he got this protocol from Dr. Dan Engel, but, or maybe they're just doing the same thing, but they put like this six inch catheter down your nose and it goes into your nasal sinus cavity, like way

deep. Yeah. And they screw in, it's got a little hook, so it screws in the syringe. And we had like one milliliter of glutathione and then one milliliter of stem cells and you can feel the pressure build up in this that side of the face as they do it and you have to lay back like it's this weird fucking angle you lay back to let it seep in and that's the other side and it's for cognitive function the idea that you're going to get this closest to the brain so hopefully the brain will will have more uptake of it oh but stem cells being there to help with cte and traumatic brain injury and those kind of things and one of the side effects that i wasn't really sure of i remember i would tell him every week i'm like bro i fucking need like 10 hours of sleep each night and um you get 10 hours of sleep i was i had to

then i couldn't because of my son but i'd go take like a two-hour nap. Yeah. And he was telling me that it's kind of like you have. It's not like. It's not kind of like it is. You have these baby cells brand new in life, in your body. And when they take to become something, it's like they're growing for the first time. So you need extra rest and you need to give them time to take hold so it was like the more you

rest the better it works yeah and pretty light in the training during that time i'd push myself here and there test the knee those kind of things but it seemed like the pain in my knee went away overnight and then over time was able to build better range of motion and and follow the protocol i see like a whole new uh goal in my life now from stem cell. Like at one point I was like, you're just going to keep running until I figured it was any day. I just be like, all right, dude, you got to stop. I mean like stop doing things where you're smacking yourself on the ground.

But I don't feel like that now. I feel like what will I, what stunt will I do when I'm 60?. I feel like what will I, what stunt will I do when I'm 60? You know, like who will I fight? What's, what's the jump going to be like? Am I going to shoot out of a rocket on the radio?

Like, cause I don't see me stopping. I don't see why I would have to stop. If I heard it, I'll just get more. And then I do more testosterone and more hgh and fucking go in the freezing water and the infrared and hips stretch flexors and fast a little longer i just i just do all of it all day and i feel stronger and better than i did it's i feel like there was a i did antidepressants for like six years and i i felt

like that kind of helped age me you know and i and it also gave me this feeling that my body was indeed slowing down and could not keep going at the rate that i like to like going to the gym every day and doing go to the ramp for a little bit if i did i'd be so sore that i'd have to not do stuff for a couple days but once i did the ayahuasca and got off the meds, sure, I got a better attitude in life because I went through a lot of shit in that three days. Because when I talk to you guys and all the other people that do it, it seems like what I did was, I didn't think it was bad, but it sounds like it was bad compared to, because all I had was three days of hard work. And I was like, that's what I thought I was doing.

Hard was going to be really, really tough. And then I was going to feel better after it. And then some people were like, man, it's amazing. I'm like, I don't remember one moment of me going, this is amazing. It's not a word I would use. I'd be like, oh my God. Okay, okay.

We just got back from Sultara and it was me, Tosh, Christian, and Caitlin. And it was awesome. And I say that because of the fact that I appreciate the work and how hard it is. Because you were doing some work, right? Fucking yeah. It was 23 through 26, 26 ceremonies. And my 25th was by far the hardest night of my life by far i didn't sleep

one minute i relived every fucking it seemed and i'm sure it's not every but it seemed like every childhood memory that i had a problem with was not only revisited but i it unpacked in a way where it felt like it was happening for the first time so like the level of fear the level of pain the level of sadness it was like it was like fuck me there's so much and i was begging ayahuasca for mercy that's what i was the whole night and fucking so nauseated i couldn't puke but i felt like i had to puke stop just make it stop i get it i said shit like that yeah and then i'll get up and be like stop okay i'm sorry just stop it and then i'd go back down and be like no no no this is it happened it happened to you you need to know that it happened

here i'm like oh my and then i'd say okay i got it and be like no you don't i can tell you don't that's why i'm gonna show you a little more a little worse a little close up yeah i think that's an important piece to understand like uh you have to know when you go it helps to know you a little more, a little worse, a little close up. Yeah. I think that's an important piece to understand. Like, uh, you have to know when you go, it helps to know the full gamut of what's possible when you work with things that are that powerful. And for, for people that listen, they're like, Oh, you know, all right. It's not for everyone. All right. Uh, you have to do some things in prep and, and, and you, I don't know until you do it, you don't, you can't really know, but even in doing it, that's my whole point I'm making is that like I had 24 ceremonies where I went through some stuff. I worked on stuff. Some were beautiful. Some were amazing in air quotes,

like people say, where it was like pure fucking euphoria and bliss and awesome visions of the future and our son being born and things like that. And then other ones were a grind and then 25 ceremonies into it it's like all right you're ready for this and then it was holy shit it's so much it was almost too much until it finally there was it to fade and in the transition into gratitude and like okay i guess mine's not the opposite and i need to do 25 before i have one of these good ones. I just do 25 off. Fuck, all right, I get it. Because I am worried about that.

I did notice the third night because I really had, like I got something out like emotion-wise from seeing my dog and I started to fucking really cry and then knowing all the other people that I had to face in that frame of mind, because that was, that made me hysterical. And that's my dog. I mean, I lost my brother, my father, all the abuse and stuff, and that he died.

I don't want to see him. But at the same time, I know that if I do, I'll be better for it. And I'm thirsty for better. I just want to be happier all the time. So I kind of want to do that. But just knowing that I'm going to have to do that made me really not look forward to doing Ayahuasca again. But at the same time, I know I'm going to do it.

Like whenever I don't have to go to work and you guys go, I'm going. And I don't expect to get a fucking free one. I don't expect to be like, oh, man, finally, I get it. I mean, that would be a really cool thing if it happened, but I expect, oh, you're back. Well, guess what? I'm going to work. That's good. So you got off SSRIs for the ceremony.

Yeah, and I had the brain zaps and all kinds of shit that made me really realize that I need to not get back on that. Because it was a big deal and that was the last time you took them yeah well i mean it was a month or maybe yeah a month it took me because i weaned off because i tried to do it before and i would get angry or get sad and i get back on them because i didn't want to bum out katie or anybody i'm like nobody needs to be around this i'll just keep taking them but then the doctor that was prescribing me, he was like, why do you need to get off them? And I was like, because you said after a couple years when I was better,

I could get off them. He's like, but they don't hurt you. And I was like, wait, so you're saying just stay on them forever? And then he's like, well, no harm, no fail. And he's like, you know, the statistics of when you get off antidepressants, how many people get depressed again. And I just started to, because I'm not like a book smart guy, but I can smell bullshit pretty good. how many people get depressed again. And I just started to, because I'm not like a book smart guy,

but I can smell bullshit pretty good. Yeah. And I was like, oh, fuck. You're full of shit. I'm like, fuck this guy. I'm fucking getting on ayahuasca right now. And then I didn't even tell that dude. I just half, two weeks, half.

And I could feel it. And then the brain zap things, it happened at work. My friend who used to do Lexapro, I was like, what the fuck was that? And he's like, did you get a brain zap? And I'm like, what the hell is a brain zap? Why would you know that? He's like, you're getting off antidepressants, right?

Lexapro, man, it used to happen to me. And then I told Katie and she Googled it. And then, yeah, man, you can, your brain will zap for like a month when you're trying to get off the shit that makes you a little less you, made me fatter, made me lazier, made me, sure, I'm not like super bummed out when I get bad news, but that's never healing. Like I need to know the bad news. I want to feel the worst part about it, whatever it is, and deal with it. Face it. Not just be deal with it face it not just

be like it's not so bad well you're really taking that good jason yeah i'm fucking taking everything pretty good i don't really care yeah anything anymore that speaks to so much in society you know like with some of the issues we have not only just with the rise of necessary as an antidepressants but also the rise in pain medication medication. How we look at pain, how we treat pain, how we look at depression, how we treat depression versus really finding that root cause. The pain is the signal for me to pay attention to something going on in my body. And there's a million ways to go about that. But oftentimes, unfortunately, when we go to the doctor, it's malpractice for them not to hook you up with the pain pill.

But you at the same time would prefer the doctor to give you the way out, to give you a way to dodge it. So it's not entirely their fault. I feel like we're just instinctively wanting you to give me a warm blanket. I don't want the doctor to tell me to face shit. I want the doctor to give me a Band-Aid and tell me it's going to be better. That's what everybody prefers to have. It's like your instinct is to go, oh, God, i don't want to know about that let me just pretend that didn't happen and not not analyze it not face that it might have done something to you for a guy that

like has just keeps peeling back the scars and trying to heal them and realizing that every time i do one i'm like a happier person with just my day-to-day existence like the key you mean the fucking key to my life man is like sometimes i'm just happy in my car sometimes i'm really happy when my kid is pumped on his new sneakers that just wasn't a thing for me man i used to just be fucking dark all the time for no reason and i thought it was cool i was like it's metal you're so happy about you pussy you know i'm like that's how i'm existing like a hard motherfucker bummed down all the time and then i realized being angry is sad so then i realized i was just a big sad guy with a bunch of fucking scary tattoos because he's super scared trying to keep people away from him i figured myself out it's a little too late because i can't get this shit off this is all a fucking

this is all like i'm terrified because i don't trust anybody you took something from me when i was a kid and i'm gonna take it back and if you try to take it again i will fucking kill you like mentally fucking scarred dude like i feel it when i talk about it like i'm gonna fucking cry and kill somebody because somebody did me so bad but it's not it's over i won i don't need to do it anymore yeah keep trying to find other reasons to be happy like you assholes all you people who make you know smile all the time yeah i made me so thirsty you had a big smile maybe not when you were nursing that first hangover. I was hurting after the first day. Yeah, that's tough.

I was like, we had sort of painted a picture. You know, Aubrey hooked up this fucking beautiful experience out in Cabo for Whitney's 30th birthday. And we had like, we had a full staff at this house that were making drinks. I've never seen it. It was incredible. Our own chefs, the whole nine. Don't get me wrong. I don't live this way.

I don't roll like that. But it was cool to be a part of. And it was fucking unique. So, you know, we're out at the pool. There's not many clothes being worn. And, you know, this guy keeps coming back up to us with a tray full of fucking the most delicious margaritas I've ever had. I could taste the alcohols. There's tequila.

But it didn't taste bad. No, I wasn't having a bad time. We put a few of those down. And, you know, I don't know how old you are 47 47 i'm 37 yeah i fucking felt it the next day you got to pay for something like that it was the happiest i've ever been in that much pain so i'm still happy i'm still having a good time i didn't have a bad time at all even when i had one of those dip tobacco things that moves yeah but i had one after i already did not feel very good and that was the complete reverse the girl was sudden i was like ah why is that burning it was like and i'm like oh i'm like oh no what have i done to

myself and i'm like this is the worst i felt the whole time and then like super hot cheeks were rubbing my back and stuff and i'm like it's still good i feel like i'm gonna vomit but it's still good i feel you know i mean i feel like i'm just i just got this really bad pain in my stomach in my face but i feel loved so it's okay yeah there was lots of love that's amazing i'm super in love with people from there hell yeah brother more than others no doubt well shit man what uh what else are we what else are we going to talk about here um we touched ayahuasca we touched fighting um what are some of the things that you do now to just to enhance your quality of life um well i I got an infrared sauna and I got the fridge, the cold plants. Oh, no shit.

I got it yesterday. Awesome. Yeah. So I kind of haven't figured out how to do it. You haven't loaded it yet? Oh, I loaded it. So it's full of water. Yeah.

And I put too much water in it and I made it too cold. Okay. That happened to me. I froze it to a solid block once. Well, I didn't freeze it, but it didn't freeze. It looked great. And I did the sauna thing and then I got in there and I'm watching the timer and I'm like,

I don't start shaking usually in the first 50 seconds. I'm like, this is way colder than it's supposed to be. What was the temperature you had it at? I don't have the temperature thing on. It's like 10 bucks on Amazon for a little floaty one. I just got the fridge yesterday fridge yesterday somebody google i i posted last night me in it going uh maybe it's too cold and then people started telling me about this temperature thing that you can put in your

free in your freezer and i was like okay well i'll do that but in the meantime i yeah i only did like a minute last night because i was like you know my teeth don't chatter in the first minute. Usually that's way later. That's good though. I think it's important. I'll let mine fluctuate between 35 and 55. If it's at 35, right around freezing, I'll get in there for one to three minutes.

Maybe longer if I'm pushing myself. In the mid 40s, that's where I like it most, like low 40s, then I can do five, 10 minutes. When I get to the 55, then I'll hit 15 minutes. But you can scale it like that. So I think it's- I'm going to help Katie because she got back problems from that back surgery. And that's why I bought it because I go to the spa and I do it.

But then I realized she's really hurt and doesn't have that athlete mentality. She doesn't see the purpose in it. I'm like, I'm better every day if I go in this cold plunge. And you have back pain. Why are you not in it? Like, you have to go in every day. So I made her get in it, and then I realized that it was too cold. But if I had it, like, the 55, I think I could get her to stay in there.

And that's – I just want to warm her up. I don't want to go you know man lift all this shit take this and then get in the freezer thing and feel the pain focus on the pain you know you'll be a fucking man like i don't she's not gonna stay i need this to be like a routine in your life like every morning let's get up and do the infrared get hot as hell and then get in there you'll feel way better like because your back is it's it's pretty bad she just went to the doctor yesterday she might have to have like another surgery oh fuck man that's tough to hear but

it's up to her she has a year to do something with it and i try to tell her like there's a thing you know you can mentally make yourself better like if you think about it all the time i would be thinking about having my back straighter and i would do things to make it feel less pain and i would always think about it even when i'm talking to make it feel less pain. And I would always think about it. Even when I'm talking to people, it's like I'm flat footed. So now I dance salsa music all the time. And when I'm talking to people and I'm standing, my toes are touching the ground on purpose. So my heel is not because I'm thinking about making my feet faster all the time, even when it's not feet faster time. That's how you get better at stuff. Yeah. And there is

like a really bad salsa dancer. I definitely want to talk about that because I forgot about it. Now you bring it up. I remember you tell me that in Cabo. Try for hours, dude. For Katie, like it is, it's not just pain relieving. It's going to lower inflammation. Like, so there is like a medical benefit to her to be in that. And, you know, to your point, I remember I got this download before I put my dad through a mushroom ceremony. And the download was, make him enjoy it as best you can. Still give him something where he can do the work. Because that was the whole goal, was to do the work with my dad.

But don't blow the fucking rails off. So it's a one and done and he'll never do it again. Exactly. For people listening, they're like, well, I'm not putting my dad through a mushroom experience that's totally fine but think if you introduce anyone to something new and just think back to any personal trainer you had from fucking 24-hour fitness or globo gym they're like i'll fucking crush that guy and he'll be back for more because nobody's gonna work him out harder than me and it's like no bitch that's unsustainable right and people get super pumped on a life-changing move

but you don't realize that you know like if you're gonna eat well for a little bit because you feel like you're fat it's not for a little bit it's supposed to be forever because otherwise you go back to the same thing of i got fat and i gotta do this diet thing again if you're sore every now and then like i told my friend that they said he's been sleeping well um he's kind of out of shape god i'm like do you work out no no i would never do that and i'm like what about let's say i was right if if you worked out and then you slept brilliantly that night would you consider working out every day and i could see that he wanted to say no you know i mean like no i would that sounds fucking ridiculous and i'm like but you're coming to me on the radio saying you can't sleep and i'm

giving you a potential one you could check it out i could be wrong but you're not even willing to check it out and even and then and then before we even check it out you've already admitted to me if it worked you still be like oh because you hate the the thought of working check it out, you've already admitted to me, if it worked, you'd still be like, oh, because you hate the thought of working out. It's like maybe somebody did some really hard workout on you, but if you just started doing something different, like some people I can tell, I love this guy. He's a great friend. I love Will.

But he's not going to work out. He's seen me get better. He knows you guys. He knows Arnott. He knows everybody and how they're all happy. He's seen the get better he knows you guys he knows on it he knows or he knows everybody and how they're all happy he's seen the happy and the fitness he's aware of these people nope i'm gonna go to the burger store on the way home we eat burger and i'm not gonna understand why i don't sleep that well forever the end yeah that's uh that's like that's like joey

pan and leonie in the matrix when he's talking to the bad guy. Just about like, why did I take the blue pill? You know, like, I want to eat this steak and know that it's a real steak and just not like you're aware. There's certain people in the planet right now as consciousness changes and people are starting to grow and figure shit out that they see what's on the other side. And they're like, no, fuck that. I'm going back to McDonald's. Right. Because people like you show too much you know that like because you do you do too much like i admire you and i think it's awesome what the things that you do and the

things you've achieved and how deep you'll go to to like fix make yourself a better person but i also understand that for the average person seeing you that's terrifying you could scare them into wanting to be a part of it because it's almost unreachable to look like you and do what you do well but that doesn't find you could that doesn't mean you shouldn't you can't write him off because he's actually really onto something it surprises me so many times when i get that you're like well i'm never going to be as fit as carl kingsbury's what just don't do anything like why don't you do a little bit of what carl does and and see how that works it always surprises me that the average person that is like uh intrigued in it would like to be fit it would like to be healthier like it's

on their mind but you're too fit for them to even bother to do any of it because you won't be you i'm like what about if you're just a little happier and lighter you, but people don't say that a lot. I feel like that's the whole thing though. You got to have like the it's fuck. I didn't start with all this shit and I'm a fucking chest freezer in my house and do all the things that I do overnight. You layer them in one by one and you see what works and what doesn't. And it's different for everyone. But like having that piece by piece mentality, that just comes from a continued hunger to do better. Like I do want my quality of life to be better. And I know that there's room for improvement in all areas. I don't need to try to tackle them all at once. I can just see what works in one department and then I'll move to a different department and see what works and kind of just

inch my way along until what you see is where I'm at now. Yeah, but your benefits shake people. It's like Whitney. She's too hot on Instagram. People can't handle it. They're just pissed at her because she's too magnificent for you to comprehend. It's like the closest thing to normal people getting to be athletes is they drink Gatorade.

And that's a lie. The least athletic thing. You're just drinking a Coke with no bubbles. So I definitely want to talk about dancing because that's something that I've wanted to get into

with Tosh. I'm sure there's people shaking their heads. You want to dance? Fuck yeah. Wait, you don't dance? When did you want to start dancing? Did you just start?

Did I trigger it? No, you didn't trigger it. You want to fucking dance with me? You brought it back. Is that some shit going on right now? That would be great. Maybe that'll be

the next main event at LS Mania. Oh, just the dance? Literally just dancing. I'd way rather that could be cool me again that fucking hurt we still got spots in this eye you know that whenever the sun's on me i can just fucking things floating around in there still that's pretty this is a good compliment not that i wanted that to happen every time it happens i'm like ah fuck i can see fucking lights and shit but uh we yeah we were looking at we're looking at like what are cool things.

Because, you know, we do. It's really important for, we don't need to get into the polyamory discussion, but even just like the relationship discussion, it's really important, especially for parents to continue to have dates with their significant other. Yeah. It's really important. And that's something that I failed to accomplish until opening up the thing and seeing like, oh, this is glaring in my face now.

It's a big deal. Let's make that happen. You're not a hopeless romantic? No. But that said, like, what do you do? You know, like it's cheap. Dinner in a movie is usually pretty cheap and it's fun. We love going to the movies,

but there's definitely more to life than that. It's like, can we learn something new together? It's a tough car when you're a destroyer you know you you like me you're attracted to me because i am a destroyer and now you want me to get you flowers i fuck shit up i don't understand what is love i am a warlord and you're into it you're into it you're into warlord people so i get you it's gonna be you had it's tough like for me i didn't understand how to be romantic because i worked very hard on being a neanderthal you know i'm a crazy son of a bitch what love what hugging shit in public had to make some serious adjustments in my life before i did ayahuasca

i get i feel sorry for you, man. You're too tough. Some bitches just can't understand it. You know what I mean? Like, he needs to take you to the movies. I'm like, he's doing the best he fucking can, all right? But lucky he didn't just rip a brick in half and throw it through a window, because that's what's supposed to be happening right now. Like, I'm supposed to take shrooms, get naked, paint myself blue,

and hit somebody in the fucking head with a rock. That's what I came here to do, and now I'm'm making these weird adjustments going to the grocery store and getting roses it's fucking tough out there for us man yeah you gotta but i was just thinking like past past what like a traditional date looks like can we learn something new can we do an activity together that brings us together but also it you know enriches each of us individually and i think dancing is fucking cool for that because I'm not super coordinated. I'm coordinated at fighting.

I'm coordinated at, you know, knowing how to run and cut lines and football and doing different things like that. Cause I've drilled it over and over again. You're going to pick it up faster with all those backgrounds. You're going to pick it up faster. Okay.

Cause I feel like that's, it's to me, dancing is like, uh, what's those, the footwork pattern things you do? You know, the steppy. Oh, the ladders. The ladders.

Because I've been doing tons of that shit for angles with boxing. And I can tell from me practicing salsa dancing that my feet have got faster. Like my footwork is a little bit faster. Even my coach said, he's like, dude, you're a thousand times faster through this thing than you had than you used to be and i'm like i know why because i'm always poorly dancing salsa at home at my house i put headphones on i listen to mark anthony and they got this little mirror in my fucking radio room and i just fucking come on my hips gonna get those hips that's a problem i'm a bit tight you know loosen it up hip mobility for salsa i don't know where because i a bit tight, you know. I've got to loosen it up.

Hip mobility for salsa dancing. I don't know why, because I'm super wired. There's something wrong with me. It's like denying the rhythm, you know. I've got to fight this fucking uncoordinated beast that just wants to... You've got to fight the genetics out of you. Dance them out.

I can tell. It's like I'm thinking about it too much. Just got to let it go, you know. Have you microdosed during dancing? yep how did that go? see I only I don't want to dance around anybody

because I don't have it and I just want to because I can tell I dance better when I'm by myself because I'm just trying to feel the music and try to do because there's steps. And I keep thinking about the steps. You've got to try and think about the steps until they become natural.

They're not natural yet. I still have to go one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three. It's in my head. So once that's gone, because I'll start dancing and forget about the one, two, three, and so will my legs. And then I'll be like, God damn it, you look great up here, but your fucking legs aren't doing it.

Well, come on, legs. And then legs start be like, God damn it. You look great up here, but your fucking legs aren't doing it. Well, come on, legs. And then legs start doing it. And then hips don't do it. I'm like, man, this is a new, this is a craft. And it's a craft that doesn't hurt. So this really intrigues me to be, because I found out there's like these Cuban clubs where old guys wear like these cool flower shirts with gold chains and super hot chicks grind on their leg and shit

because they know how to dance salsa good. So I could just go have a couple of rums, smoke a cigar, and just have some hot bitch grind on my leg. Hey, I'm out of here. Are there any out here in LA? Yes. I'm going with you.

You're not coming until I figure out how to dance. Same. But apparently girls go, and they don't know how to do it but because they're cute and they're kind of doing it they get away with it but he was like you just go in there man just move around with everybody apparently it's like an apartment and then you go to the back of the apartment and then go down some staircase like it's a secret club oh hey oh yeah my coach is cuban the plot thickened it's gonna be sick but I'm not ready for it yet. More to work on.

Way more work. Because when I watch my coach, that's when it's very obvious. I'll do it at home and I'm like, I think I got it. Then I'll be like, coach, look at this. Turn Mark Anthony on. And he's like, whew. Not yet. Dude, it's been great having you here.

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