Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #120 Matt Maruca

Episode Date: October 28, 2019

Matt Maruca drops by to talk about the epidemic of chronic disease in our society and how adding more natural light and removing the unnatural blue light from our daily lives can help to prevent  anxiety, depression, heart disease, obesity, autoimmune disease, and/or cancer.  We also talk about the field of Quantum Biology and how it creates an understanding of health and life that allows anyone to create optimal health and prevent or reverse these chronic diseases.   Connect with Matt| Website- http://mattmaruca.com/about/ YouTube - https://bit.ly/2paEQGf Podcast - http://mattmaruca.com/podcasts/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelightdiet/?hl=en   Show Notes| Dr. Jack Kruse | https://jackkruse.com/ Dr Jack Kruse Interview on The Life Stylist Podcast | http://bit.ly/2kGITYE Otto Warburg | http://bit.ly/2lNYkOR Leptin Reset | https://jackkruse.com/leptin-reset-easy-start-guide/ Dr Doug Wallace | http://bit.ly/2kQ4sWs Joov Lights | https://joovv.com/ Eat the Sun | http://www.eatthesunmovie.com/synopsis.html    Show Sponsors| Molekule https://molekule.com (use codeword Kyle at checkout for 10% off your first order)   Butcher Box www.butcherbox.com/kyle $20 off your first box (Limited Time offer) Plus two pounds of grass fed beef for the life of your subscription    Waayb CBD www.waayb.com (Get 10% off using code word Kyle at checkout)   Onnit - Golden Ticket Sweepstakes Get 10% off all foods and supplements at Onnit by going to https://www.onnit.com/kyle/     Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on: Website | https://www.kingsbu.com Twitter | https://bit.ly/2DrhtKn Instagram | https://bit.ly/2DxeDrk    Subscribe to the Kyle Kingsbury Podcast iTunes | https://apple.co/2P0GEJu Stitcher | https://bit.ly/2DzUSyp Spotify | https://spoti.fi/2ybfVTY IHeartRadio | https://ihr.fm/2Ib3HCg Google Play Music | https://bit.ly/2HPdhKY

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And I'll be perfectly honest. Some of it was over my head. But I learned a lot from this guy. I'm going to have him back on the show. And he is a wealth of knowledge. He's studied under guys like Dr. Jack Cruz and a couple other really potent people that I want to get on the show as well. It's just a fantastic conversation.

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this one and I appreciate you all Matt Maruca so you say it guys are going to dig this one, and I appreciate you all. Matt Maruca? Is that how you say it? Yeah. All right. Maruca in Italian. Matt Maruca is in the house. Yeah. All right.

Did I get that right? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, easy enough. Get that like a fist from you. All right. There we go. You can move it around. Uh-huh.

That's super handy. Let's see here. So I heard you on Luke Story's podcast, obviously even making your rounds to all the homies. And you're here in Austin. Thank you for reaching out to one of my team members to come on the show because I'm fucking blown away by your work. You know, we've had a brief conversation prior to this. And something that I was reminded of is, you know, and you'll get into this, of course, is that Dr. Jack Cruz is a wealth of knowledge, but he's also not that palatable for a lot of people. So one of the things you've done is you've taken his work and mastery and distilled

it down for others to share. And that's something I had this vision on mushrooms one night. I know some people are tired of me talking about a psychedelics but i had this vision of me eating a book and then regurgitating it to the world into a microphone and so it was like that's part of what i do is i distill the information from the masters and bring it to the masses and it was really fucking cool but that's that's what i see in you and you're fucking young man how old are you now 20 20 on the button. You were 18 when I first heard you on Luke's show. Yeah, as of August 12th. That's awesome. Well, let's dive right in.

Let's dive right in to, you know, I think all of the people that I find to be wizards in the space of health and wellness got there because of the fact that they had their backs against the wall. Their health was fucking shot. Look at guys like Mark Sisson, Rob Wolf. Everyone had a reason. So let's get your reason for getting into this and when that started.

Absolutely. So I got to turn my phone on silence. Can't leave everyone without a little suspense, can you? So I use airplane mode because then you can't get any signals coming in but um so i was 14 years old and living growing up in philadelphia a suburb and i was fortunate to have such a great group of friends around who always brought me outside like i was always playing basketball on the courts always actually we were smoking a lot of weed which was not i think a good thing it was a symptom of the fact that you know we had issues going on and we needed that crutch just to feel good.

Now probably a better numbing agent than alcohol. Probably. So yeah, absolutely. I wasn't drinking alcohol. Cause you know, people always said, Oh, weed's good for you. Alcohol's really bad. That was like the thing that I just bought into now personally. Um, I don't know if one could talk about this on air, but anything on air, I don't, I, if I smoke weed, it's Now, personally, I don't know if one could talk about this on air, but whatever. Oh, you can talk about anything on air. I talk about drugs all the time. Yeah. I don't, if I smoke weed, it's like it shorts my circuit. I don't do it because I don't feel well if I do. So it's almost like when I was deficient in, I guess you could say light, it was like a benefit. It made me feel better. But now that I'm not as much, it shorts me out. But so I was having acne breakouts and

you're 14, you're in high school, you want to meet girls, you want to, you know, have fun and getting acne is like just not fun. Right. So it was really, really like not good. And I was all the while having headaches, allergies and gut issues. But these things I had grown to believe were uncurable. They're par for the course. A lot of people have. Not everybody has everything, but a lot of people have it. Enough people have asthma. Enough people have these things that you're just like, oh, that's normal. I was like, it's normal. It's fine. Even though I would eat a meal, I didn't know why, and I would have just constant gas bloating. It was pretty miserable, but I totally just disregarded it. I was like, well, you know, one doctor said I should take aspirin or

whatever, Claritin for my allergies. You know, the gastroenterologist said, just take Tums when you have like stomach issues, it'll like do something, you know, it was literally the extent of their explanations, like maybe it'll work. And then same thing for headaches, like just pop some Advil and you know, that's about the best you can do. And that's it. So that was my current understanding. So I tried the paleo diet because I had just had some light bulb and the light bulb was something to the extent of maybe my guts damaged and all this greasy food I was eating was causing these breakouts because my mom had told me greasy food can cause breakouts. So I was like, how to heal a damaged gut?

I was like Googling. And of course the Whole30 came up, Paleo. And I did that just for my skin. And in one week, I stopped having headaches. I basically stopped having gut issues. And my allergies went like very quickly, improved significantly. Just from removing. And I was a vegetarian from age like seven to like 13 or so, because I don't know why I think I had a

vegan babysitter who totally like kind of planted those seeds and that totally accelerated. Yeah, exactly. It totally accelerated the demise because, you know, I was like super skinny, extremely pale. And, um, yeah, it was, I was like super skinny, extremely pale. And yeah, it was, it wasn't a good situation. So when that happened, it was like, like, how did I not know that basically everyone's diet is killing us? It was really like one of those things where, you know, especially at that age and you, you know, you're always looking for something to kind of give you the answers, especially when you're, I think in that pubescent age, trying to like figure the world out. And so to get hooked on that, I became like an evangelist, you know, trying to sell my friends, my family and everything.

But the thing was, I only had about 75% improvement, I would say, compared to what I just intuited was really possible. I was still having some allergies, some gut issues, and some headaches. So I went from paleo to autoimmune paleo. You know, no nuts, no dairy, familiar with the whole deal. Low FODMAP. Low FODMAP I tried at some point. The whole thing. And even then, I was still not feeling optimal. So I was like, because it's all about food, which is what I thought at the time, I was thinking, well, I got to heal my gut

because my gut still must be damaged. That's like the paleo worldview. It's like damaged gut equals proteins coming into the bloodstream equals immune reaction and disease essentially. But it all starts with the gut. They use the quote from Hippocrates, you know, like all disease begins in the gut. And maybe it does, but it doesn't necessarily happen because of food.

But anyhow, so I went on the gaps diet. Have you heard of this? So this was like six years ago. I don't know if it was definitely not as popular as it is now, but bone broth, cooked meats and well-cooked vegetables within like a very tight range of things. And so I was actually felt like I was starving. You know, I was like cooking my own food. My parents, my mom, who I lived with growing up, I'm also a triplet. So I have two sisters the same age and a little brother. So, you know, like my mom was pretty supportive.

She was like, you got to do what you got to do. You know, I don't fully understand it, but she just was always supportive, which was great. And my dad just kind of saw that I was doing something trying to improve my health and I was all into it. And like they, you know, bought whatever food I wanted or I could buy my own groceries and they would, you know, reimburse me. But eventually it got to a point where I was like pretty miserable because I kind of thought, okay, the diet is the answer to this pain that I was having essentially and struggling, but I couldn't get it right. Like I just couldn't

dial it in. It just wasn't working. And so it was the stricter diet, the stricter diet to the point where I literally felt like I was starving on the, on the ketogenic diet in the form of gaps. And so I ended up basically 15 years old at this point, like letting myself kind of go off the rails on repeated occasions. In other words, I would have one thing like a piece of chocolate or something that I was craving. And then the idea of these autoimmune diets is if you eat the thing you can't eat, then it activates the immune system and you pretty much have undone a lot of your work, you know, and cause you've re, you know, activated and it's a mess. So I, I totally believe this a

hundred percent. So when I had one thing I couldn't have, quote unquote, I literally would go and eat the next thing and the next thing until I was literally spooning down like multiple pints of ice cream. Just like, and I, it was, yeah, it was pretty messy. But the thing was, it was like pleasurable. But at the same time, I came to like hate myself. I came to be really depressed, miserable,

thinking that my lack of self-control, lack of ability to stick to these diets was the reason that I was still struggling and that there was no other factor other than just the lack of my ability to stick to the diets. But then after my dad offered me to work with like any, he was like, pick any doctor of your choice. You know, I can't see you struggling like this. I'm like, my dad's a really great guy. He's like, just pick some doctor, whether they're alternative, whatever, you know, I'll pay for it, get her everything. So I did that with a functional doc. I took these supplements, did a protocol, um, changed, and it didn't really change that much for me. You know, anyhow, I learned about this, this, uh,

mentor teacher of mine now, Dr. Cruz, Dr. Jack Cruz in the paleo world, he had been sort of excommunicated because he went into the first paleo effects conference and basically said light is more important for biology than food. And if someone disagrees, they're wrong. And so I think people were really turned off by that, especially early in the paleo years. And so, but he had his own community teaching to people who these other things didn't work for. And I was reading about this leptin reset that certain people were posting about. I was like, why am I craving carbs?

That was the fundamental issue. It was like my body wasn't functionally succeeding in ketosis. I felt like I was starving to death, basically. And I didn't get it. But so these people on these different forums were like, have you checked out Dr. Kruse's reset, leptin reset? I'm like, no, I'll check it out. So I did that. And it was totally something I had never considered before was light and how it could affect the body. Literally never once in my entire life did I ever consider how light could affect biology, artificial light, sunlight. I don't think once, except maybe, you know, that the sun made me feel good. But even then, it was never a consideration. And I think that's where most of the world is

today, which is something I'm looking to sort of influence in a positive direction. So I started doing that. And then I started feeling significantly better just from waking up in the morning, watching the sunrise and eating a big protein breakfast. And that sort of reset my rhythm. After the fact, I know the reason why I wasn't succeeding in ketosis, or at least the most likely was that in cancer states, there's a guy named Warburg, Otto Warburg, like old research, you know, the Warburg shift, the mitochondria are burning. They effectively always will choose sugar in these cancerous states and they prefer it. And it's pretty much all they can burn. So there's a level of like

the mitochondria are messed up and sugar is easier to burn than fat essentially. So they choose that. So as far as I understand now, that's probably what was happening. You know, not that my cells were cancerous or precancerous, but they were on that track of dysfunction. Mitochondria shot, not doing well, burning fat for fuel. Exactly. So just, it was like sugar, sugar, sugar. So that's why after a couple, like a week, even on a gaps diet, I just couldn't resist when I'm out with my friends or whatever, you know, they're eating chips and soda and candy and I'll just have like one thing and then guilt myself. And, but, but I felt great when I did that. I felt really good, at least before I went past the point of satisfaction and satiation

to the point of just like absolutely destroying myself out of like self-hatred and just like misery. So then it was like, no, I want to vomit. But it was for sure some level of an eating disorder at that point. But anyhow, so there was very little looking at the fundamental root cause. And that's the thing in the whole paleo community I see, or the food community generally. There's not much questioning like, why do people have these autoimmune diseases? It's like, we'll cut all the foods out that trigger it.

But there's very little like, why is it happening in the first place? It's almost like people kind of imply based on their methodology that it's the food itself that's causing the dysfunction. But if we look holistically at the population and even historically that people have eaten grains for 10,000 years and only in the last 130 so years have these diseases begun to really skyrocket. So yes, there's more GMO, there's worse food. But even within my peer group,

my friends were eating terrible diets too. So by the logic of the food focused world, these, my friends should be also having the same issues I was, but there's a component that was different between me and them. And I believe now that that was the mitochondria. So that was sort of my like intro into all this stuff. Yeah, there's a lot there. I mean, for people that don't know, leptin is a hormone and what is it in charge of? Energy accounting. So it lets the brain know when you're full and when you're satiated. Yeah. And particularly, so fat produces leptin. So it's produced in our fat stores and then it signals to the hypothalamus in the brain, which is like the master, you know, regulator of pretty much all of our glands, all of our

hormone releases and everything, which, and it's happens to be, we'll get into this directly wired to the eye by the optic nerve. And that's kind of the fascinating part of where we're going with this. But when someone is leptin resistant, which is this sort of thing that Dr. Cruz put together, this idea that obesity isn't the result of excess calorie intake and not burning it off because, you know, it's the calories in calories out theory, but rather that people who are obese, like I was just in the airplane yesterday flying from London back here. And there's a guy who's overweight next to me.

And I just noticed, you know, I haven't had a thing for breakfast at London time in the morning when I get, when I left my hotel, I didn't take the first meal on the plane at the beginning of 10 hours. I didn't take the last meal on the plane. And then I went straight to Terry Black's and chowed down and had my one meal for the day within like a long extended day because of the six hour time difference. Whereas this one guy who's overweight next to me on the plane, he was having like some grapes, some fruits and like constantly, not that that's the case with everyone, but I believe generally the case with someone who's overweight is that they are constantly craving energy. And so there's this, I can say, almost unkind attitude towards people who are overweight,

or I should say it's more just lacking knowledge, that they just lack self-control. And I'm sure a lot of people who are overweight hate themselves for this, because they feel like they lack self-control and they're responsible, but that's not the case. It's similar to where I was as well. It's a fundamental,

and this was Dr. Cruz's sort of thinking when he was first diving into this as an obese, you know, 360 pound neurosurgeon who couldn't figure out why he was so messed up. He had been doing night shifts for the prior 13 years, which we'll get into how that was sort of the cause. But, but basically there's something going wrong in the person's brain, in the accounting centers for all the energy, you know? And so this dude next to me, it's like, he eats that sugar based food and then, you know, insulin spikes stores the fat, but then instead of being able to go in and tap into the fat and burn the fat, which was also my issue, unable to do that really well. Although I was super skinny, I was on the other side of the spectrum. He just needs to consume sugar again. So it's like insulin drops, blood sugar, three hours later, you're hungry for

carbohydrate again. So it's just packing the fat on. So that's one huge issue that's happening. And is this leptin reset? Is it a video that Dr. Cruz did? It's a blog. Okay. Well, we'll link to that in the show notes. Absolutely. So, I mean, I mean, I think, I think certainly we've covered a lot here on this show already about diet and nutrition, and I think it's for sure one of the cornerstone pieces. What fascinates me about Dr. Cruz and yourself is the fact that this other picture around light and circadian

rhythms. So let's get into what's happening with artificial lighting, you know, especially with, you know, incandescent bulbs and fluorescent light bulbs, things of that nature, versus when we get the full spectrum light from the sun. This is really fun. So can I tell you, can I give a story? So to me, when we're looking at the diseases we're facing today,

it's really handy to look at what is disease, you know, like get the definitions clear. It's just in logic, you know, the discipline of logic, you have to define your premises and define your terms. And so for me, disease is failure of the body to carry out its functions properly. There's another actual dictionary definition, but to me, that the illness within the body, it results from not carrying out the functions properly. And so then we would need to define what is a living organism and what are the functions that it needs to be carrying out essentially at the most basic level. I don't. I think it's kind of like, if we don't understand how life works, we can't really understand disease because it's a fundamental malfunctioning of our systems. And so we're always at the higher levels now, like trying to, you know, fix the symptoms and

try to have some level of understanding. But at least for me as a curious, you know, 15, 16 year old at the time, the current explanations were very inadequate. And that's when Dr. Cruz focusing on his, the thing he would always repeat was like, does the mitochondria take in proteins, carbs, and fats or electrons and protons, you know, and it's, it's the latter. So it was like, maybe it's not just about the food. Maybe it's, there's some other pieces involved. It was a simple analogy to make the case. So looking at how life works, are you familiar with like the origin of life story to some extent? Give it to me here. Okay. So basically, the leading theory, there's others, but this one is the one that makes by far the most sense.

There's these vents at the bottom of the ocean there's two types one's called black smokers which they think is where life came it's super they're super energetic and powerful that's not where life began based on the research it's at these more quiet alkaline hydrothermal vents what alkaline refers to is this fluid that's seeping up and it's being heated and basically charged up by the hot magma under the earth's surface. So it's basically fluid coming up, going through these vents. And then the vent is porous. So it's made of minerals and rocks, but there's billions of tiny little pores. And so there's seawater also where this alkaline water or fluid from inside the earth is meeting the seawater.

And then the water from the sea is filling into these pores and water from the earth, the fluid is filling into these pores. And so what's happening because one is more alkaline and the ocean water is more acidic, that just means there's a difference in the pH, so the amount of protons basically. And so that difference in protons is called like a proton gradient.

There's more on one place and less on the other. And just for example, if you have, I use the analogy of people packed really tight in a room and then there's an empty room next to it. If the room was so packed in here that we were all sweating and everything, we would want to dissipate into the other room. And that's how molecules are. If they have the same charge, they want to, you know, dissipate. So these proton gradients, there's more on one side of poor, less on another there's potential energy because there's more on one side and less, and they want to move, but they can't. And so basically that potential energy based on the research, and they've even done this on like a benchtop reactor in a lab using this proton

gradient. It just started naturally catalyzing the reaction between carbons and hydrogens that were present in that vent, which essentially were the first organic molecules that ever came together, basically carbon hydrogen based molecules. And so eventually over time, these sort of structured themselves based on what was like energetically favorable into these proto cells. But the proto cells were dependent on the energy energy which was provided by the constant flow of this alkaline fluid pushed by the infrared light, the heat of the magma in the earth combining or I guess coming across the ocean water. And that was like we could call the spark of life because there's a gradient energy and it started these cells. And eventually, the coolest part was that the cell sort of developed autonomy. They developed the ability with that initial spark to move out into the world and begin to do what they had been doing, but by basically maintaining the spark themselves. So basically having their own proton

gradient that the cell itself uses. And so then the cell can go on and basically make a living. And so what life from there on became is like an investor. That's the best analogy. Life takes a little input of energy and then breaks molecules out of their present configurations, allowing them to react with new molecules where they're more satisfied. In other words, it's like a lower energy state when they're reacted together, once they're bound. But in the process of them coming together, it is releasing a lot of energy and life uses that to further its spark essentially to continue going on and it just kind of goes on. The best analogy for that is fire. So if you think about

fire, I always was fascinated by fire. These little fascinations of mine as a kid all sort of came together with these understandings. So it's fascinating how fire works. There's always a hydrogen-based fuel source, leaves, wood, paper, petrol, something like that, gasoline. And the hydrogens are bound to carbons and there's energy in the electrons that are binding the carbons and the hydrogens, which came from the sun, whether it's fresh from like a tree or from fossil fuels from literally millions of years ago, there's still sunlight energy in those bonds. And so what happens if you use a spark, if you apply a spark to those to that substrate i guess um in the presence of oxygen that spark is enough energy to break a couple of hydrogens free

from whatever they're the carbons they're bound to no matter what form it is and for example if you consider trying to light a log on fire with a single spark versus a single leaf it would be easier for the single leaf because it's less tightly wound up. Like in a log, it's tight cellulose. In a leaf, it's also cellulose, but it's less tightly wound and you can snap it with your hands. So the spark breaks the hydrogens free and then the hydrogens begin to react with oxygen in the air to make water because they're satisfied. And that releases the energy stored in the electrons that were binding the hydrogen and the carbon together because the hydrogen would rather be with the oxygen except when there's energy to excite it to bind it with carbon. That's how like life and plants and trees build themselves. So no energy, hydrogen and oxygen are buddies and they make

water and most of the world is covered in it. But if there's light, it can actually increase the energy of the hydrogen's electrons. So it's satisfied with carbon. But what this basically means is hydrogens break free react with oxygen and that releases a bunch of energy and so you don't need a spark anymore you only need one spark because each time that energy is released it's the new spark for the reaction to continue so that's why for example i was living in malibu like last fall and last year and there was one day i was in san diego and i was like going back and someone's like dude are you okay i was like what's going on i look it up it's like Malibu's on fire. I can't

go back. Um, that was interesting. Cause I had to go to Mexico the following Monday. It was like labor day weekend or some president's day weekend or something. So I like basically had to, I had to event Cancun and my passport was trapped in the wildfire. It was like a no-go zone. You know, it was like the whole PCH four four lanes, southbound, five hours. You were? Yeah, no fun. So anyway, I figured out in case anyone ever needs to go to Cancun from LA

without a passport, you can cross the border into Tijuana oftentimes without even being asked for anything and then just take a domestic flight anywhere in Mexico. It was pretty cool. So it was pretty fun. Yeah, it was really great.

I had to get an emergency passport to come back, but it was dope. I was like, I lost my passport anyway. Um, so yeah, that's basically what life is doing. Just like a spark. It there's the, the energetic opportunity, which is present, but we basically spark molecules. You and I do it. Like, for example, when I'm drinking the shake, I'm taking actual like energy right now, just a little bit to put it down my throat. But then from there, and the body uses energy, you know, in the mitochondria, which we'll get to, to break the, I guess in this, is it mostly fat-based, the coconut cream? Fat and a little bit of berries, yeah.

A little bit of berries. So the sugars will probably burn first, but either way, we're going to input energy, break them down. So basically break the sugar, break the hydrogens off through the glycolysis and then through the Krebs cycle in the mitochondria. And then we're going to end up with just the hydrogens, whether it's from the fat or from the carbs. And then the hydrogens are going to basically plop their electrons onto the electron transport chain. And the electrons are basically being sucked towards oxygen, just like the fire, but it's a controlled fire that's happening in us. So there's oxygen, you know,

and we're breathing all the time. And I didn't, I was also fascinated, like I never knew why we breathe all the time. Then I learned it's just because the mitochondria need oxygen to burn our fuel to make ATP. So there's the oxygen sucking the electrons from the hydrogen. And every time the electrons,

instead of going straight and just releasing all the energy and losing it, we kind of like, we funnel out every single last drop of energy we can seal off of the electrons. So every time the electrons hop from one protein to a next on this electron transport chain in the mitochondria, what we do is we take protons, hydrogen atoms that are in the center of the mitochondria because it's like there's an outer membrane in the mitochondria, then an inner membrane, and then there's a central space and there's protons in here. And we basically, electrons jump across this chain. And then as the energy sucked off, that energy is used to pump these protons from low concentration to a higher concentration in the intermembrane space.

And so what we're doing in our mitochondria is recreating that original proton gradient from the vents at the bottom of the ocean, which all life, it's one of the four things that's common to all life is the use of proton gradients to generate energy. It's called chemiosmosis. But so now that there's more protons

in this intermembrane space, they want to flow back down just like people packed in a room. So what did life do? Well, at least the mitochondria, which evolved into, with a union, like an alliance with another cell allowed to evolve complex life. What we did is we installed a electric revolving door called ATP synthase, which means that all the people in this room who want to leave, you can leave, but you have to go through the electric revolving door and push it and basically give us energy. And so we pump all the protons into this tight space and we let them go back down where they

want to go down the gradient, but they have to go through the ATP synthase and the flow of positively charged protocols, just I'm losing my brain, particles is the same as the flow of negatively charged particles like electrons, it's electricity, it's protonicity. It flows through there, makes the ATPase spin. And then that basically gives us ADP and keeps us alive. And so the better we can do that, the better we're going to function and live.

And the worse we do that, the more problems that we're essentially going to have. So that's the basics of mitochondrial function in life. But we'll get to how it's applicable to people. That was super deep. That was probably deeper than, I don't know, I've had like Dr. Dominic D'Agostino on and different people. I don't think we've gotten that far in the woods.

So I appreciate you for still with us. One of the things I want to get to here- Oh, they'll be with us. You know, with regard to mitochondrial health in general, I think a lot of people are now coming to realize just how important they are in reducing all-cause mortality. And a lot of things that affect that, whether it be sauna or cold tubs, fasting, all have a positive influence on mitochondrial function and resetting the body. All those things lower all cause

mortality. Yes. So let, I mean, let's, let's talk about that. What are the ways, what are the, what are the brass tacks ways we improve mitochondrial function? So you see, I'm evading your original question of light because we're slowly getting there because that was the question. Trust me, I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. So light, but so basically, um, the, the best part of this is that the story continues. So what happened was, and trust me, I'll get it right for you. So basically, the way we went from these single-celled tiny organisms to the super complex organisms was because two of these primitive cells that left these vents, which used proton gradients across membranes, decided to make an alliance.

One would basically be structure and function and the other would be energy generation. The energy generation is the mitochondria. And what the mitochondria did, they used to have like a full genome, let's say a thousand genes, cut it down to 13 genes. So now the most energy expensive process

in a living organism, which is the maintenance and expression of a genome in the form of proteins is now reduced like 90 something percent in every single mitochondria. And because what they realize is they only need one set of genes in the cell and they can just copy it across every other one. For example, it's like having a thousand kids in a room or a hundred kids in a room all doing the same task when you could just have the smartest kid do it and then just copy it across the rest. And that's sort of the idea. So that's what life did. And that's why all of our genes, except a few, are all concentrated now in the nucleus of our cell. That's like the host,

you could almost say the slave master, is the one that manages the thinking part of things and also getting nutrients. And the mitochondria are like, dope, we don't have to go out and forage and get all the nutrients anymore. Like someone's just taking care of us. And all we have to do is make energy. We have more than enough for ourselves and all the leftovers go to the boss. And that's basically what happened. And so that, let's say merger alliance allowed life to get mega, mega complex. In other words, we went from single cells that are all over this table that we literally can't even see, we're so much bigger than them, to an organism that's composed of trillions of cells, which are

each of our hundred trillion human cells has between hundreds and a thousand mitochondria. So like we are made of quintillions of basically little bacteria. We're like a bacterial super colony. So getting to the question of all cause mortality, how does it relate? Well, there is, the key is that for people to grasp is that our function, like my human brain, high level functioning, the human heart, all of the organs are based on mitochondria generating energy. You know, if we didn't have mitochondria, we wouldn't have been able to be complex. And if, if for any reason, mitochondrial function declines, it's kind of like if a government's budget was cut by 5%, like it seems like only 5%, like 5%, like you're going to be laying off a lot of people and in the

body, no bueno. So there's a researcher from Philly named Dr. Douglas Wallace. Are you familiar with him? Only from hearing him, you talk about him. So he basically showed in his work on mitochondria over the last decades that although he started studying rare mitochondrial diseases,

he was looking at the modern epidemic of obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, autism, all this stuff, depression, anxiety, and wondering like, maybe there's a mitochondrial link. So they started studying it a couple years ago, decade plus ago now, and probably before I was even born. And honestly, and what they found was that all of the chronic diseases that Western medicine hasn't been able to solve, studying the genome and trying to use drugs to solve, the mitochondria are failing.

So in Alzheimer's, the mitochondria in the brain are failing. In heart disease, the mitochondria in the heart are failing or at least functioning 70% as opposed to 100%. We can get away with functioning at a lower percentage. I mean, I would presume that the average person is maybe like 50, 60% of what we could be, if not less, but we're still like not diseased, you know, but we're getting to a point where we're way below that. And so all these modern diseases have been definitively proven by someone who's now winning

like awards for his research and his lab and everything that they're mitochondrial in origin. So as it relates to all the stuff you've just mentioned that improves all cause mortality or reduces all cause mortality, I should say, all of these things are acting on improving mitochondrial function. And so in this way, it's like, you know, people like to follow the cliche, like nothing works for everyone or, you know, there's no one size fits all approach, but like, actually, if you improve the function of the mitochondria, like everything works better because everything is powered by energy. It's kind of like, if you give a business more money to carry it, like a successful business, more money, it's already thriving, put more money in

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And now back to the show. Yeah, let's talk about light because obviously we haven't biohacked this office. We're indoors. We've got windows here, but we can talk about how the window pane affects natural sunlight. And then we can look at all the different lights that were exposed. I'm more concerned about the gym, to be honest. Yeah. Let's, let's talk about the, let's talk about light. Let's just dive into that and how it affects us. And something, you know, that you were talking about with Luke that really fascinated with me was how much blood passes through the

optic nerve and how important that is. Yeah. Through the eyes. Yeah. So at some point in the whole evolutionary scale, mitochondria may not have started off as light based organisms, but they evolved into being powered by light. So for example, sunlight affects light in general, but sunlight being the only natural form of light besides firelight, moonlight, starlight, and lightning flashes before 1879 when we had the light bulb. You know, moonlight, we can almost discount. It has an impact for sure, and the moon's gravity has an impact. So anyone who's into that stuff, I'm not discounting it. It's very important. But as far as like affecting our light systems in our body, it's very minimal.

For example, the bright sun on a sunny summer day like today is between 50 and 100,000 lux of intensity. And so our eyes adjust so it doesn't seem like it's crazy strong. But moonlight, like a full moon is half of one lux. So just that's 100,000 full difference from 50,000 to half of a lux. So it doesn't affect our systems very tremendously, nor does, neither does a flash of lightning. It's tiny. Starlight, extremely dim, of course. And then fire is based on red, infrared,

and yellow and orange frequencies. It doesn't have blue. It doesn't have the higher energy ultraviolet frequencies because when that light was taken by the plant, it was basically slowed down and kept in bonds. And it's more in the form of this infrared and heat when we burn it out, when we release it through the reaction we talked about.

So we didn't have any light besides sunlight powering us all this time. It's just something I mentioned. I say this because it's easy for one to realize like, oh, we have all these bulbs. To think that light, when someone thinks light, it's easy to think light bulb first. But really like light is sunlight essentially, as far as life is concerned. Yeah. It's like you were born now with cell phones. We assume exactly. It's

like normal, but it's really not normal artificial light as far as life goes. So in the mitochondria, one of the ways that light affects us directly is by the red frequencies work on these proteins in that electron chain where I was describing the electrons hop across and basically help the electrons to move a lot more efficiently. So have you worked with like Juve, for example, red light panels? Yeah. I had those guys on the show, Scott Nelson, and I think one other one. And then we've got an elite system at the house and I love it. Yeah. There you go. So that is amazing. And they're always talking about the mitochondrial benefits

because the research is clear. These proteins in the mitochondrial electron transport chain, which we basically use as our main generator, is they absorb specific frequencies of red light, red and infrared light, and that optimizes basically energy generation. There's even studies that show that without food consumption, we can still generate ATP just with the energy coming from red and infrared light.

Now, like, what is that? Eating the sun? Essentially, yes. Was that documentary on Netflix, Ryan? Did you see that? Eating the sun? Yeah. So I definitely want to get into that too. Like looking at, I don't recommend people give up food entirely and just fast for the rest of their lives. I think it's possible from what I've learned. It might be possible, but I think that, you know, I don't know. Not that it's desirable. I'm not saying I like my food. People are extreme as fuck. So it's like you get hooked on this one new thing and there's a benefit. But I think the, I don't want to take too much of this time for me to input my own two cents, but I just want to say that I think the key here as we outline some of these things is that if we

can take and be mindful of a bit around diet and a bit around light and a bit around movement and a bit around temperature extremes, I think all those things will get us a very good part of the way in healing our body and getting optimal mitochondrial function without saying, I'll never eat carbs again, or I'm going to fast for 40 days and 40 nights or any of this shit. Just really playing that idea I want to reiterate is that as we learn about these things, we dive into them and they're good. And even today, I tried to get up with my son and watch the sunrise for the first 20 minutes where I can actually stare at the fucking sun. But we had cloud coverage, so I missed out. Still, it was good to get outside. But yeah, the clouds prevented us. Yeah. Yeah.

I was at Barton Springs. I got like 10 minutes because the clouds did take up the mass portion of the horizon. So the analogy from my story that comes into the picture in regards to what you just said, that everyone should have some pieces of everything. It is important, you know, to not just focus on one thing per se. But the reason light is so important to me is that the mitochondria, you know, these engines that now they generate our energy, they keep us alive. If we stop breathing, you know, if someone wants to test it, don't breathe for five minutes, you're out, you know, or cyanide, the poison that captured soldiers or spies would use to eat and they die immediately. It just immediately, it's like the anti-red light panel.

It just stops the flow of electrons at cytochrome C oxidase, which is one of those proteins. And so we die immediately when we take cyanide for that reason, because the proton gradient collapses and life is over and you can't spark it back, generally speaking. So this is our engine. And even Dr. Wallace, he's now shown that when the engines are reduced, their functions reduced, disease is the manifestation. Death is the ultimate result. So as these things are engines, it's handy to compare them like a car engine. They both, just like a car, they both burn hydrogen-based fuel source with oxygen to create basically a push to do work, to do stuff.

So in a car, there's, you know, the fuel going in, but then there's the ignition system and the spark plugs that basically ignite the gas and make the pistons fire as a result. If the spark plugs in that engine are worn down or faulty, that's gonna lead to misfiring in the car, inability to accelerate, or maybe the engine

won't start at all. So if we were to put premium fuel into that engine or fuel additives, it's not going to solve the broken spark plugs, the failures in the ignition system, because it's not addressing that issue, which is, again, more holistic and bigger picture than just the fuel going into the engine. But it turns out it's the same in our body. So if we have an altered ignition system, which is essentially those proteins in the mitochondria, and they're affected by light, if that's altered in any way, there's other factors we'll talk about as well relating to melatonin and its role in repairing these when we're not exposed to bright

light at night. But if there's issues in the ignition system in the mitochondria, putting in premium fuel or even fuel additives, so like vitamins into the body, it is never addressing the root issue of the damaged ignition system, which in the body is caused by light, improved and altered by light, not by the fuel going in. So someone like I was, for example, spending lots of money, it was my parents' money in this case,

on vitamins and supplements. I never felt almost any effect from them. It doesn't mean they can't be, they won't have effects when used properly because I know you guys have lots of ones that well-tested and they're in certain contexts, but I was kind of just throwing everything in the kitchen sink at the issues,

hoping they would get better. And then it's the same thing with the food too. It's like, you could be spending tons of money on diet, but if the engine's not burning through it well, you could still have diseases and they're not related to the food. And the food isn't gonna fix the ignition system. That's why the con,

that's like the key analogy I always give, because that's why the conversation has to be wholesome, you know, it has to have all the angles. So yes, you know, people should focus on also temperature therapy that also improves the mitochondria, cold exposure and, and diet, but to miss the factor that is the main driver of the ignition system in the mitochondria. And I believe like the, the main driver in the modern disease epidemic, the alteration in light, particularly, and I believe the main driver in the modern disease epidemic, the alteration in light, particularly the move to an indoor lifestyle,

absence of sunlight, too much artificial light, only natural light coming behind glass, which is no longer natural light, that is the issue. And no amount of focus on food alone will solve it, or on temperature therapy, per se. There's almost a hierarchy to the systems that we can focus on. So there's almost a hierarchy to the systems that we can focus on. So we've, we've, I would say for sure can say that light is a huge, if you look at,

I mean, one of the ways I try to picture these things is that you try to understand, and I know you get into this with diet related with Luke, where you talk about Weston a prices work and go by the equator. Obviously you're going to have smaller prey, like fish and fowl, and a lot more carbohydrates readily available. obviously you're going to have smaller prey like fish and fowl and a lot more carbohydrates readily available. If you move closer to the poles, like a lot of people who immigrated here from Northern Europe, myself included, then you would have access to bigger game, cattle, buffalo, bison, and you'd only have carbs seasonally, right? So there are factors like that. I like to think of, you know, and a lot of this comes from Paul Cech, who learned a lot

from Weston A. Price. But this idea that think of a world without refrigeration. Think of a world pre-shipping where you couldn't get bananas 24-7 and berries from Mexico 24-7. You had shit that was in season. And another way you can look at that is if you rewind the clock, like you've just mentioned, past 1872 or whatever the fucking date is, to a time where we only had candles, fire, and sunlight, then you have to understand that the era we're living in right now, it is one giant test.

It's never been done before. It is done for the first time. And we're experimenting on ourselves in a myriad of fucking ways. But now we know the importance of light. So let's talk about how we optimize that. Yeah, I got to throw two things in there. One, it's interesting when, for example, the mitochondria are amazing. They kept some of their genes. Like, for example, if something goes wrong in a power plant, they have a wiring diagram there. The blueprint, which is like the main genome, might be at the mayor's office,

but the wiring diagram stays at the power plant in case of emergency. So the mitochondria all do maintain 13 genes, all of which are inherited from our mothers. So men, sadly, we can only pass across half of a genome, but women pass across all of life. They pass the other half of the genome and the engines that fuel life.

It's fascinating. So that's why actually we have two sexes. That's another fascinating thing that's less well known is that the reason there's men and women is because there had to be one aspect of the species, or I should say, of multicellular life based on mitochondria, which is everything beyond archaea and bacteria. There had to be one for carrying down mitochondria and the other that would splice the genome every generation. And of course that evolved in many, you know, the women who carry the mitochondria, they have the baby now. So that evolved in the human case to be the man is more protecting, foraging, but the women do pass on life. It's fascinating. So the mitochondria

for these reasons have the ability to adapt much faster to altered environmental signals than the nuclear genome. Because in a cell, again, there's nearly a thousand mitochondria, depending on nerve cells have more, heart cells have more, other cells have fewer, muscles will have more because they require more energy. So when the Sherpas, for example, people went to the tops of the Himalayan mountains, they had half of as much oxygen, for example, you know, the percentage is the same, but the air density is way lower.

And so the mitochondria, which generates energy with oxygen is like freaking out. And so what happens is that decrease in energy production leads to an increase in reactive oxygen species. This is how it works in short, decrease energy production, increase in reactive oxygen species, free radicals, which cause the mitochondrial DNA to mutate those 13 genes, which is an attempt to find a solution to an altered environment. So what's happening today is we're living indoors under blue light, which lacks the full spectrum of infrared, red, ultraviolet, and so on. So when you're behind glass or under artificial lights, there's more blue, less red. And the thing is the blue creates a stress signal in the brain to wake us up and to keep us kicking. And so for example, these lights

aren't this one, these lights are cooler. These ones are warmer, but light with more blue. It's like, it's a trick to keep the brain on. It's, it's a trick made by men to turn our brain on by humans to turn the brain on. But the thing is all of evolution, when the brain was on and the body was running under the stimulus of blue light, there was always red light and infrared light present to power those proteins in the mitochondria to allow things to, you know, it was like, we always expected blue lights present. Okay. There's red light too, because that's going to make the mitochondria work better. In other words, the red light panel that the juve has, for example, it's not like it's a benefit. It's like we're evolved to always have the full spectrum of red light on our body, our eyes and

our skin outdoors anytime we're conscious and waking. So it's not like it's getting us beyond where we are. It's like getting us back to where we should be. Although the juve is much more energy dense in the tight space um depending i mean compared to sunrise it's a bit stronger because it's right next to you but compared to midday sun it's not substantially stronger but so our indoor lifestyle less less red light more blue light that's decreasing mitochondrial energy production just like less oxygen for the sherpas so increase exactly exactly so more reactive oxygen species because our, exactly. So more reactive oxygen species because our energy generation is lower,

more reactive oxygen species. And there's tons of studies showing that just blue light alone increases ROS and free radicals and so on in the mitochondria. So increase free radicals, decrease energy production coming first. That's causing the same thing that happened for the evolution, the mutation

for people to live in the Himalayas with less oxygen and still be like total beasts those people are like but the sherpas had a benefit there it was almost like weight training you know you have you have uh altitude um the ability to acclimate to altitude is going to change that for the better as opposed to us staying indoors all day long it's not changing exactly the better well they also have more UV light from the sun, which sort of helps to compensate. They have really dark skin. So it is better. It works. They're able to adapt because there's energy present in the environment that they can take advantage of. But we're just reducing energy. And so we're getting the same lowered energy, increased reactive oxygen species. Dr. Wallace talks about this all the time. And then that's mutating our mitochondrial genes. And so his work to be a little more in depth,

it's not just mitochondrial dysfunction leads to these disease. It's percentage of mutation in the mitochondrial genes, meaning the mitochondria, those basically the spark plugs, they aren't expressed properly anymore. And it's, again, it's an attempt to solve a problem, not necessarily like a problem in and of itself.

And so we're altering our energy. It's like, think of it this way, the human brain and all of our systems evolved with a hundred units of energy required to get to this complexity. Do I think that if humans had stayed in that area or if the environment had allowed it, maybe it shifted, we could have probably kept evolving to some level. But since we've left, I think we've definitely devolved. And there's studies showing that the human brain has, you know, shrunk over generations since the Cro-Magnon, you know, the Mediterranean European humans. But we are having less energy. So we're going to

devolve over time because again, you can't power a system that requires those hundred units with 50 units and expect it to still function like the same you know it's the same if your phone or if you have a system something that requires a lot of energy and you cut it in half it's like it isn't going to run yeah that's something something i always notice is that obviously i have a desk job here and we podcast indoors for sound purposes for the most part um but if i'm grinding through work and I get emails and shit, I'm on my computer screen and there's big, fast fluorescent bulbs over my head. One of the ways, one of the easiest ways that I can get a key bump of energy is just to go outside with my shoes off and do a one mile walk with my shirt off. You know, our skin is a fucking giant solar panel. Let me soak

in some sun. Let me connect my feet to the earth. Even on a sidewalk, I'm still getting some grounding in. And I come back in after 20 minutes and I'm fucking ready to go. I don't need another shot of caffeine or anything like that. Just a one mile walk and I'm ready to go. I can't drink coffee. It shorts me out. When you have enough. I'm back and forth on that.

We go decaf for like a month straight. And then we jump back on the bandwagon with fully caffeinated. But yeah, you know, and then even with with that obviously we there is an energy crisis obviously why do you think fucking why do you think five-hour energy and and all these energy drinks have blown up and taken over a lot of marketing you've got uh you know gamers that are drinking mountain dew after mountain dew there you go all these different things cigarettes nicotine caffeine it's the same it kind of kicks up the mitochondria briefly, but you don't have the power behind it. So, and I wonder, obviously, if I'm taking care of myself and I'm doing good and I'm getting

red light therapy from the juve, I'm getting outside often, I'm doing cold therapy and sauna and I'm working out and I'm eating a diet that's specific for me during that time of year. Those other substances can have a benefit without just relying on them like a crutch. One cup of coffee feels good to me. It doesn't feel like, fuck, I need a whole pot. This one cup isn't doing anything for me. I drink yerba mate because coffee itself, I still have sensitivities that I'm working on, food sensitivities. So the nut, the seed, coffee itself does affect me.

But the caffeine, a little bit like your mamate without the coffee thing, that is pretty good. And I do feel sharp. I don't want to become dependent on it, of course. And if I ever notice, like I'm craving it, I'm like, oh gosh. But for example, the ancient, yeah, the Ecuadorians, I mean, I figure you've been down to Ecuador, Peru

from what you guys have talked about. I was there doing a ceremony once with not, I should know this, San Pedro. The, yeah. Yeah. The keys to heaven. Yeah, exactly. Were you in Chavin?

San Pedro had the keys to heaven. I was in Quito. Okay. So it was very fortunate circumstance, which we could talk about later. But anyhow, they used tobacco. It was like a sacred plant. So how could tobacco go from being

a sacred plant that, you know, you would figure they would have observed that it caused them like cancers and lung issues if, because they were using it for so long, but it was like a sacred plant that brought healing to some extent. So I'm not saying we should all smoke tobacco and in the modern world, definitely not. Well, this stuff, Mapacho nicotine rustica contains 18 to 20 times more nicotine than North American tobacco. There's also zero additives. It's 100% organic and it's grown in the wild. And I had the same thought process when I traveled down there to do ayahuasca for the first time, was seeing that they were using these rolled tobaccos. And I was like, what the fuck is this?

We're going to smoke cigarettes during the ceremony exactly and that was the whole thing so with mapacho they explained the difference um many indigenous cultures think of this as like the great bridge the communicator plant that opens up your ability to communicate outside yourself in the spirit world if you've seen young guns but um you know for me i had to get over that and uh one of the things that happened was i was at this, what do they call it? It's in fucking Panama each year. I went with my dad. It's like the tribal gathering, and it's all these other indigenous cultures that bring their own medicines, and you get to partake in a myriad of things you might find useful

for altered states of consciousness. I met this guy who was 95 years old. And he's walking around. He's got a big sheeting grin, perfect teeth. Reminded me of somebody out of a Weston A. Price photo. And he had been working with Lopacho since he was five years old for 90 years. And much like Weston A. Price describes, their tribe didn't have a word for cancer because it didn't exist.

They don't have a word for heart disease because it didn't exist. And they don't have fucking toothbrushes and they have perfect teeth. You know what I'm saying? So like they're eating a diet that's in accordance with their body. They're in direct sunlight all fucking day long or under the tree canopies.

They're getting full of nature, right? Yes, I'm loving what you're saying because I was gonna, for example, mention people from the Mediterranean, super centenarians. They smoke cigarettes and drink their whole life, and they still live past 100, certain of these supercentenarians. The oldest person ever to live, I believe, Sean Calmont, she smoked cigarettes her whole life, I believe. I could be wrong about that, but there are several other of the supercentenarians

who smoked cigarettes their whole life. So not that that's good. I'm not advocating that, of course, but clearly there's other factors involved, you know? So that's one thing. And next you touched about the human being a solar panel. We didn't get into this much. And if we, if we were to go through all the steps to the light diet, we would, but I believe based on the research that the human evolving from the ape, one of the key pieces was the loss of hair so that our skin could become a solar panel. Cause we're the only mammal with our skin fully exposed. And we have these amazing mechanisms where when UV light hits the skin, this is also part of the reason sun doesn't cause skin cancer. When UV light hits the skin, it breaks down the keratinocytes, the cells at the top, scatters their DNA, which is the ultimate

absorber of UV light, which brings me to the next point, which we'll get into, which is I think you'll really like about the spirit and how we are a soul, but basically UV light breaks apart the keratinocytes, scatters the DNA. And when DNA absorbs, takes UV light, it takes it from UV super high energy and potentially damaging to red. It re-emits it as red infrared. So now it's super beneficial to the body. So that's the ultimate sunscreen. We're literally designed to have that. Like we have a system to just turn all the sunlight into basically red light. And we get a little of the UV to power certain things like vitamin D synthesis and whatnot. But so we're designed for the sun. We're the solar ape, the solar ape. And we were eating seafood, the omega-3 we put into our eye, the retina has more than anywhere in the body and skin, very likely based on the

research because DHA has the ability when light hits it, because it has so many electrons, to cause a flow basically creating electric current. So it's like photoelectric, essentially light hits it and it creates an electric current that the body can use more easily, like the impulses for vision, for example. So we are like designed to be a solar being as humans. And I do believe that that's what part of what powered the human brain to be able to become such a complex system. And so just by being living an indoor lifestyle where I believe truly reducing our consciousness. And that gets to the third thing that I just am so fascinated you're bringing up spirit and so on. Well, this is little known fact that I

may or may not have mentioned on the Luke story podcast. But in the early 1900s, there were researchers studying cells and light in cells. And one guy discovered that the stimulus for mitosis of cells, the division of cells was little pulses the cells make of ultraviolet light. So if the sun causes cancer, first of all, of ultraviolet light. So if the sun causes cancer, first of all, if ultraviolet light, the theory goes, causes cancer, why would it be that our cells are using it for the most fundamental process that's going on all the time, mitosis? So cells communicate with extreme low frequency ultraviolet light. Other fascinating things that they discovered, him and his predecessors researching these bio photons, so photons emitted by an organism, was that healthy cells retain light very well and unhealthy cells

leak light more. So a cell that's stressed leaks light and it also has less coherence in its light with the way they would be able to image with these photo multipliers, super sensitive devices because these lights tiny amounts. The most fascinating thing I read in this textbook about this stuff was that they found that when an organism died, it emitted light, the same light that it was leaking if it was sick, retaining if it was healthy. Once an organism dies and that proton gradient in the mitochondria collapses, we can't carry out our functions anymore. We leak light for 18 hours. So that was actually found in these organisms.

I don't believe they were testing dead humans. They may have been though, because you know, when someone's dead, you can test them if they're open to it. But animals and so on were leaking light. And I was like, oh, maybe that's what the soul is. You know, this thing that leaves the body and all these ancient traditions that don't even, it isn't even a question as to whether or not we have a soul. We are a soul. We're being of light. It's just like believed and almost known. And the Western research is actually there. So that is a whole different can of worms. Like, you know,

this research implying that we are these electromagnetic organisms and that my heart field is touching your heart field right now. And actually everyone else is on earth because electromagnetic fields travel to infinite distances. So this whole thing led me from being like an atheist when I was younger, just thinking like, God, stupid idea, you know, to like, oh, maybe God is sort of man's way of explaining the forces that govern the universe. And we sort of try to wager and bargain with God by saying prayers and all this stuff. It was like, whoa. So I've actually since become not only just, I wouldn't say per se religious, but exceptionally spiritual and fascinated by, you know, learning about the Bible and other spiritual traditions,

because it's like we are beings of light and they knew a lot of this stuff. And maybe by practicing certain things that people knew led to good results as a human going through the human experience, maybe we can have benefits. That to me is the most fascinating part of all the light stuff, you know, everything else aside. Another part I thought I would, I really wanted to mention, cause I know at least on Aubrey's show, you know, there's lots of talk about sex and all this stuff, but like one, when we have sex, all the, a lot of blood, which is like a very highly light charged fluid, you know, sunlight,

which we haven't gotten into the mechanisms, but hits the skin. And essentially a release is something called nitric oxide. And that causes the vessels to dilate such that a huge percentage of blood comes into the capillaries in the skin so that UV light can actually reach it. So we actually have mechanisms when we go in the sun, just like

leaves on a plant turn towards the light when they are getting some, our blood will come to the surface so we can get ultraviolet light. And we have porphyrin pigments. These are pigments that are specifically absorbing ultraviolet light that are on our red blood cells. So these absorb light and it's like, hmm, maybe we are being of light and maybe UV light isn't so bad for us. We have pigments designed to absorb it. But that means like when people have sex, all the blood flows to, for example, the vagina, penis, and so on. And people are like sharing light, literally, you know, it's like sampling light. And if someone is like supercharged and energized, you could probably feel that a lot.

And another fascinating thing is the body from the biophoton research. They showed that the fingertips emit more biophotons than anywhere else. Same thing the Qigong masters, you know, describe the fingertips emit more Qi. So probably related, if not the same thing. And the lips too. So it's like, why do people hold hands and kiss on the lips like why don't we rub bellies next to each other like do this with people we love like rubbing our arms or something no like we're sharing sampling the bio photons because

you could get a read of someone's field it's fascinating yeah i would say i thought you guys would appreciate this being the one you know talking about relationships spirit the next girl i come across that i want to have sex with. I'm going to ask her if I can share my light with her. Yeah, that would be a very accurate way of doing so. So, well, let's talk about the eyes because, you know, we, we, all right, we've, we've at least figured out on some level. Um, if you're still following that, there's certain things we have to deal with in the modern world. Uh, if you were required to work indoors like I am, hopefully you can get out for a walk before work starts,

at least a midday, and then after work. And I make that like clockwork. Oftentimes, because I have a lot of freedom here, I can walk for fucking hours while I listen to Audible or just hang out in nature. And I can do a 10-mile walk if I want to, right? A lot of people don't have time for that. So I'm not saying that's the case for everyone.

But if we can get outside more often, and I mean, not just on the weekends, but more often during our daily routine, maybe we mitigate some of that with a juve light or something similar. And then, but what are we going to do about our eyes here? Because there are ways that we can fix that. You have a company that helps with blue light blocking it actually looks really fucking cool thanks raw optics yeah the sun god yeah so

that fuck yeah it reminds me of um god what's that movie with uh kurt russell stargate yeah i'm not doing raw i just waved it it's You probably weren't aware of that. Anywho, though, I mean, all that to say, like, if we can, what do we do here? Because we know blue light keeps us awake. Are we supposed to wear blue blockers indoors during the day, even though we want blue light to make us awake? Yeah, we want blue light from the sun. But from artificial lights, I would wear daytime blue blocking lenses because they filter the blue.

It depends. Like these lights, I wouldn't wear them because there's really warm and there's very little blue coming off a bulb like that. But if we were in a room with fluorescent tubes, which mimic, you know, the cool ones, which mimic that, like a hospital, I would probably want to wear blue blockers. And another factor that's not present in the sun is there's a flicker because of, you know, the alternating

current power grid, because we took, I guess we took Tesla's way of doing things rather than whoever the competitor was. But we have this power grid that basically vibrates. It's like 60 hertz in the US. So on and off 60 times, so 120 alterations per second. So any light that's powered into that, like these fluorescent tubes, they're literally, they're not just constantly on, they're actually on and off that many times in a second. And so that's like a, it's a big stressor to the brain that can trigger migraine headaches and all this stuff. So that's a main reason I would want to filter blue at least during the day, because it's the more energetic part of the spectrum. And it's not balanced by the red component in these lights. And because it's the more energetic part of the spectrum and it's not

balanced by the red component in these lights. And because it's more energy and it signals so many of these processes via the eye into the hypothalamus, which we didn't touch on too much, but it's, you know, yeah, the blue light comes in, goes through these type of cells called retinal ganglion cells. So they always knew there were rods and cones. But then in the, there was some studies that were showing like there's some effects happening in the brain and the body, even when they make an animal blind and the rods and the cones, or they're born, they're bred so that the rods and cones don't work. There was still stuff happening hormonally. So they're like, there must be a third type of photoreceptor cells controlling this other stuff, which is the key

to get is that, as you know, the eye isn't just a camera. It's also sort of a clock and a light receptor. It controls our circadian rhythm. So the blue component, the reason there's more concern for me is because it controls these other systems like our circadian rhythm. And it's that in particular, and it's, you know, signals the creation of more ACTH and cortisol because that wakes us up from the sun in the day. But so if we have a light that's flickering going on and off, it's sort of like Dr. Cruz says, Mike Tyson pounding on your paraventricular nucleus all the time. And that would probably hurt. I mean, you've been hit in the head many times. Can you imagine what your very sensitive

organs in the brain are, you know, feeling when they're just getting repetitively hit by this blue light, which is not only unbalanced, but it's also, it's not balanced and it's just flickering. It's not good. So yes, that's why we want to wear blue blockers during the day. At night, it's more important because that's when we need to preserve our natural melatonin level. So as a holistic approach, the best way,

and this is why I came up with what I call the light diet, sort of a compilation of these different researchers and particularly Dr. Cruz's protocols in a way that easily can be applied. Step one is just going to sleep with the sun because then you're not gonna be exposed to tons of artificial light at night. But if you are gonna stay up because we have society,

we have all this stuff, at least use blue blockers. And for example, people can change out the lights in their house so they're warmer like this. This is way better than cool lights. Yeah, I got a few. We can link to these in the show notes.

I have a few from Good Sense. They're like an amber bulb. There you go. And so we have, you know, reading light, hall light, and a kitchen light or the dining room light are all these bulbs. They're, I think, like think like 30 bucks on amazon again we'll link to them i have no

affiliation with these guys but they're fantastic so the second the sun goes down all the other lights in the house are off those lights are on as long as we need them bear has a little a little uh a really tiny one i forget the name of it but um that's the hall light for him so when he you know opens his door and comes to crawl into bed with me in the middle of the night, like he does fucking every night, he has that little yellow light to help him. That's great. Yeah. That's the biggest win because then you're not disrupting the circadian system. That's the benefit. If it was like all light affected the circadian rhythm, a hundred percent the same, then we would literally have to be in darkness at night. Otherwise we're going to have health effects but because it doesn't it's specifically that blue range and the reason

being that when the sun comes up blue is more it's higher energy so if you imagine like a pack of wolves running through the forest the faster wolves might be more prone because there's lots of them to run into trees the ones just a little bit slower can kind of weave around that's the same thing with the air molecules that's why the sky is blue because when the sun comes through the atmosphere the higher energy molecules like the blue and the purple wavelengths are scattered more because they hit the molecules in the air faster and then they're scattered so the result is the sun that although the sun is actually white like the stars the sun appears yellow because when you have white and you remove blue the complementary color it appears more yellow and so and then all the blue is scattered and therefore the sky is blue, which I, again,

when I learned this, I was like, is it that simple? But yeah, that's why the sky is blue. And that's also why when the sun comes up in the morning and in the evening, it has to go through a lot more atmosphere to get to us compared to when it's direct. That's why when the sun comes up, it's more orange or red because there's all the, you know, the UV, there's no UV. That's why you can look at it. It's all filtered out. And the blue is pretty much all filtered out too at those two times. That's why you can stare at it for exactly because the UV is out. Yeah, exactly. And so as it goes up though, it has to go through less atmosphere. And so that's why like if you're closer to the equator or it's more summertime, the sun's going to be in a higher angle of inclination. And it's just, it's so fascinating that just that higher angle of inclination alone is the difference between

summer and winter. Just the higher the sun can go and the more of its power can reach the earth, that literally makes the difference between all of the trees and plants and everything being blooming and alive and everyone being happy and energized versus everyone being like cold and dark and still and calm and everything's dead. Just the angle of inclination of the sun and the filtering from the atmosphere. It's fascinating. I would say, you know, if we didn't have the atmosphere, we wouldn't exist because, or the magnetic field, which also kind of deflect some of the sun's harmful rays. So yeah, that's why like blue blockers, they have a night ones are either orange or reddish orange or red. It's sort of like

mimicking basically the setting sun that doesn't disrupt the circadian rhythm. Whereas when it's coming up in the morning, the blue is increasing more than almost any other color that that will disrupt the system if we have it at night. But yeah, that's why these receptors are dialed to blue because it sort of changes more than any other color throughout the day and pretty consistently, except until the last, you know, 1879 was like the first time man literally ever was able to alter it. But the key is that we only had like burning lights. So incandescent, you know, bulbs with a filament, they generate a lot of red and a lot of heat, kind of like these ones. I think these are incandescent too. If I touched it, probably

really hot. Although they're becoming outlawed in certain states, but I think Trump might've passed an order that makes them illegal again, which would be a really good thing. Because when you, so what happened in the last few decades, which I believe is the main reason that these diseases are skyrocketing, these mitochondrial chronic diseases we're facing, we started using not only more fluorescents, although those have been in use in offices and hospitals since like the 60s, 70s, I think, plenty, even earlier. But we started using the LED a ton.

And the LED is pretty much one of the worst lights ever made because generally it has a lot more blue and has a very specific spike of blue. So I actually have like a spectrometer, digital spectral meter we could use. And I could even, if you want me to do a demo, I could point it at this light and show the spectral curve versus this, or we can do it at the end. Yeah, we'll do it at the end. Cool. So yeah. And we could put it somewhere maybe if someone wants to see it, but anyhow,

yeah. So basically, um, that's like the key. You basically hit the nail on the head first, the first step of the light diet for me, getting this fixed, isn't even getting the sunrise. It's actually even before that. It's getting to sleep earlier and with less artificial light so that we're gonna have normalized melatonin secretion and production and all this stuff. So we're gonna repair properly

and then we're gonna sleep better. And for example, Sky, I went to Barton Springs with him this morning. He told me that just from his aura, he knows that when he gets more hours of sleep before midnight, he has way more deep sleep. But after midnight, it's generally not as good. And there's like these sayings, cliches people say that, you know, the number of hours you

get before midnight, each hour is like two hours worth of sleep to some extent. And my belief on why that is, is because it's lined up with our circadian rhythm, the way it's supposed to be. Whereas if we stay up later at night, we're demanding a lot of the body to be functional without having the sunlight energy and the red in particular, that's actually helping to power that. So a couple hours maybe is okay, two, three hours, but any more than that, and you're really getting yourself, you're killing yourself, I believe. Well, I think there's no question about that. If you read Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker, he will tell you all the ways to kill yourself by a lack of sleep. Exactly. And so there's that. And then, yeah, I actually haven't read that one yet. I totally

should. But then also, if we do the phase shift of the circadian rhythm by staying up late with artificial lights, we're not going to be awoken like the birds by the morning light or even before that. And so we're going to miss the daily signal. It's called zeitgeber in German, but in English too, it means time giver. And it basically sets the rhythm to continue that morning exposure. So it's like someone's up till 10, 11, 12 every night and you're sleeping till eight and you're missing that six, seven, those hours you have problems. And of course there's a quote, early to bed and early to rise can make any man healthy, wealthy, and wise. And it's totally true because you just sharpen up in the morning with the light. Everything works better for the reasons we've discussed.

Yeah. I've got to get up earlier than the sunrise here to take my son to school. And it's been great. His Toshel, she'll prepare breakfast for him. And a lot of times I'll walk the dog to take care of one other chore, but that's my morning movement program. And Aubrey talks about this in his book on the day on your life, the morning routine that he recommends the most is to start your day with a 16 to 20 ounces of room temp water with little sea salt, Himalayan pink or Celtic sea salt, and then have a morning movement program. Doesn't mean you need to have a full blown fucking workout, but go for a walk, do some sun salutations, jump on a trampoline, something just to get the engine going and do that outside. That's huge. Be out, see the light,

let the light hit your face and your skin and your solar panels. And that's like one of the big, it's a low hanging fucking fruit, but it's one of the biggest changes I've made to my life. And one of the things that I'll do now is I do sun gaze, not every day of the week, but quite a bit, I'll get to see the sunrise. And I promise you, sunrise is shit on sunsets. Like there is, if you're on a beach somewhere, sunsets are dope don't get me wrong but a sunrise is just like your whole fucking day exactly it's different from that you know energy wise mood elevation the whole fucking nine and uh yeah it's just it's just it's just a different animal i think you're the first person i've heard say that but i appreciate it so much because i completely agree

it's it's the best way to start any day. Truly. Yeah. It's like the Navy Admiral in the commencement speech. It says, if you make your bed every day, you'll at least have accomplished that one thing. I think when you have a list of boxes to check off that are for you, things that add wealth to your well-being and your life, that watching a sunrise at least as often as you can is pretty fucking special. It's pretty special box to check off. And the whole rest of the day, it's a lot better than just making your bed. I mean, not just for your health, but also for your mood, how you feel, the energy you have going into the day. It's a fucking phenomenal practice. Absolutely. And the ancients, even in

India, Ayurveda, they discuss sun gazing as a powerful practice because of its effects on the pineal gland. So even though we're making or secreting our melatonin late in the evening, the initial signaling for the creation of melatonin and tons of other key hormones is from that sunrise. And, you know, there's some anecdotes that people who sun gaze have a pineal gland that's significantly larger. I mean, in the pineal gland, it's considered the third eye, you know, I think the sort of seat

of higher consciousness in some level. And it's also that tattoo a lot of people get, which is the logo of Ra. It's like the eye of Horus or the eye of Ra. That's apparently a cross section of the pineal gland, what it looks like in the brain based on their mummification knowledge. So imagine just from sun gazing, they already know this in the East, but

how much higher one's consciousness can be from the way the light affects our systems. I think it's pretty profound. That's one of the reasons I'm, you know, stoked to continue doing it. That's awesome, brother. Well, I mean, let's, uh, what do you, what do you call it? The light diet? Yeah. The light diet. Let's, let's talk about that a bit more in detail because this is something that you're offering is it a course you have online i don't yet um okay i'm working on a course and potentially a book eventually but mostly just i share it in podcasts well let's let's go through let's go down the list of that and hammer it out i think i have about 23 more minutes with you so perfect so basically yeah step, sleep with the sun.

And if you're up late, use the blue free lights and blue blocking glasses because there's softwares on screens like Iris for computers or Flux. And then there's an iPhone hack. Do you have the red hack on your iPhone? I haven't done the red hack. I leave it on night shift mode the whole time. That's really good. But the red one is even better for night because it cuts it all. But people can Google how to make your iPhone

red. There's videos on it. There you go. That's a good one. So there's that. And the thing is, though, even with the screens, blue blocking glasses are always necessary because the software has never fully removed the blue spike. And so in the day, it's like, it's very inconsequential, that tiny bit that will still come through, but at night, no bueno. So blue blockers are great because they sit on the eye and they protect you from everything. So then the second step we already discussed as well, rise with the sun, sleep with the sun, rise with the sun. It has all these hormonal benefits, setting that hypothalamus, you know, via these, that third photoreceptor cell in the eye, talking, setting that hypothalamus, you know, via these, that third photoreceptor cell in the eye, talking directly to the hypothalamus, signaling the

circadian rhythms, suprachiasmatic nucleus in the brain. And then one could do with that eating a good protein-based breakfast, kind of like from Tim Ferriss said this in his slow carb diet, like have, I think it was 30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of rising. And that worked really well. Dr. Cruz actually says the same thing. That's the cornerstone of the leptin reset is a big ass breakfast within 30 minutes of rising 50 grams of protein, he says, because that like, there's a few things that set the circadian rhythm in the morning, it's light, food and movement. So those you hit those three, you're pretty golden, you know, I would presume

like a little maybe a little bit of movement before like sun salutations at sunrise, then have your breakfast is smarter than trying to move after you've eaten unless you're done digesting a couple hours later. But I think that's a pretty good protocol to follow in general. So rising with the sun, great. Also key because people always ask like how long to be in the sun? How long should I watch the sunrise? You know, the first 15 to 30 minutes, you can generally look right at it depending on where you are. If you're on the equator, it'll get really strong really fast.

So you might only get 15, 20 minutes, but you can generally get it fresh off the horizon. So the key is to be out until there's UVA light, which you can feel is heat on the skin because of the reaction of it when it hits our cells and it's dissipated by those, the DNA basically, the keratinocytes that make up our solar callus, which is like our callus that's on our feet, but basically for our skin. So the solar callus. Then, for example, the next step would be

sunbathe and live outdoors during the day. So the morning light sort of sets our rhythm, but sunbathing later in the morning or in the middle of the day, it actually has the benefit of charging up our cells. There's a researcher, you've probably heard of the fourth phase of water and Gerald Pollack. I heard him on Greenfield as well.

Yeah, he's awesome. And his book, people can read the fourth phase of water. It's just fascinating water research, but basically to not get too deep, water stores energy and water in cells is very different from water in a glass. It's in this structured phase. And what structures it is infrared light,

which interestingly enough, it's the frequencies that our skin lets pass through completely. You know, the red light panels provide it. It makes the mitochondria work better, but it also affects our water. Our mitochondria generate infrared light because they're only 39% efficient and all the rest is dissipated as heat. But the water around them captures that and takes advantage of it. It

doesn't all get, you know, expelled by the body. Exactly. Yeah. And that, and so once the gel-like structure is formed, he has also shown that UV light, so it starts with the red light structuring it, but once it's formed, UV light turns it into like a massive mega battery basically. So it's almost like it's really important for people if you are going to get sunlight to start with morning exposure and that sun gazing in those early hours and then go out, if you're going to go in the middle of the day, make sure you had your morning exposure. Otherwise your, your body isn't as prepped anyway, because that's how you'll burn. Also with any type of sunbathing past like the earliest hours of the sun, I always have to recommend to people, you know, start with five or 10 minutes and build up just because burning isn't good and it's gonna wear out the skin and

create, you know, wrinkles. People ask like, is it black or white you know it's different for everyone right it is somebody i remember taking a photo with my son he was maybe i don't know he was maybe like two weeks old and the pediatrician told us um keep him out of the sunlight until he's like eight weeks old and i laughed in her face i was like you gotta be fucking kidding me were you do you think that we that this is how it went down from the fucking dawn of time for anything that's living on earth let alone human beings for us to fucking avoid sunlight i go even fucking somebody from sweden should expose their kids to the sun in sweden not necessarily in ecuador or peru but you know what i'm you don't get that yeah within reason right but it was just it was comical to me and uh you know i was born with jaundice um what do they do they put you under

fake lights that try to mimic the sun what did native americans do for jaundice they fucking laid their kids on the ground naked and let the sunlight get rid of it right yeah exactly so i mean my point was totally it was it just blew my mind that that's kind of what we're up against here. It's a big issue. With textbook Western medicine versus what's really happening when we connect to the way our ancestors live. And, you know, I put bear out there. And then, of course, I talked about this, how ridiculous it was. And then somebody chimed in from Sweden saying, well, maybe for you, that's fine, but I'll burn and I don't want to get cancer. Right? So look, there's no doubt

we have to set parameters around what we're capable of. If I want to start back squatting, I start with the fucking bar. I don't walk in and think I'm going to hit 500 pounds for a max effort back squat. It doesn't work that way. I got to work my way up to it. And we're from California. My son's born in California, same near right down the street from where I was. So we're tuned, you know, with our genetics to that landing place. We come here to Austin, which is further South than San Diego. And I would get a little red in the first summer we were here. But by the end of this summer, I've been, I can be outdoors all day long and not burn. So there is a way that you can make that work. And my son is a fucking gorgeous tan right now. If you see him

walking around, it's ridiculous. But, um, you know, we, you know, and that, that also goes with reason too. Like I'm not, I don't keep him out from 10 AM to 4 PM and the brightest, hottest part of the day. I'll work with him for a couple hours in the sun, you know, and then we pull them out in the winter, in the Northern hemisphere, the Southern hemisphere, away from the tropics, midday sun can make sense. And even tiny bit, because that's when there's most UVB to make vitamin D. But yeah, tons of midday sun is generally less advisable. Like the morning sun, you know, there were heliotherapists, people who healed people with light. They healed rickets, which was caused by lack of vitamin D in the late 1800s in the Industrial

Revolution. And they cured, there was a Nobel Prize in 1903 for lupus vulgaris, which is tuberculosis of the skin, which was caused by bacteria. And the UV light kills bacteria. So they found that the cure for tuberculosis of the skin was just exposure to UV light. Dr. McColl has even talked about psoriasis being healed through direct sunlight. Oh yeah. All of literally, I mean, that's an autoimmune disease. All of them. I believe that's an autoimmune disease. All of them can be healed by sunlight to at least to some extent and avoidance of artificial light and so on. So another thing,

just in regards to John is it's fascinating. I've also noticed like if you, I was just in Europe, so there's people from Africa from literally like Somalia, you know, the darkest, darkest places, and Ethiopia and so on. And a lot of them have jaundice in their eyes. And the reason is because their pigment is designed to block all the sun because they have so much. For example, between the lightest skin, which I'm very close to, and the darkest skin type, it takes 10 times longer for them to make vitamin D because in the equator, it's a huge beneficial adaptation.

You're not gonna get literally heat stroke and die from being out hunting in the middle of the day. But if you're Northern European, you're not gonna be able to make vitamin D if you have that protection. That's why part of the reason we turned white. So these people had jaundice as adults because at least my great

theory is that they aren't able to break apart i think bilirubin is the molecule that is in excess that leads to jaundice it's just interesting it's a common theme i've noticed in it it must be similar to the same uh component as children you know they're it's very common in europe with the african people who go there so anyhow um yeah so light is key for catalyzing a lot of things in the body separate of the production of energy from food it's like vitamin d no matter how much good food you eat you're not going to make you can get vitamin d to some level from like cod liver oil and seafood but and that kind of thing micro doses but it's not as effective as all these systems

that the body also, in addition to food design or evolved to have occur. That's why it's key, not just to have just food or just light, but both. So that's step three of the light diet, sunbathing and be cautious. Um, step four is consuming fluoride free water because like the fourth phase of water goes, if we have all these toxic chemicals in our water, fluoride, chloride, they're already bad for many reasons. Yeah. And calcification of the pineal gland occurs with excess consumption of fluoride. Dr. Cruz as a neurosurgeon even verified this. He sees the calcified pineal gland in people whose head he operates on. So no tap water, only either bottled spring water. You know, glass bottles are better if you can afford it. You know, getting the big delivery services to save plastic and that stuff.

Five-gallon drums that you reuse. Exactly. That kind of thing. If you can get your own spring. I bet here in a place like Texas, there's a lot of good springs around. I mean, Barton Springs right there. I bet the water's probably good if you could drink it. Even there were studies long ago that showed that people drinking water

from their local regions had like way lower rates of cancer than people drinking water that was moved, which today we pretty much all do. But this was something a sunlight researcher told me about. He's all into the vibrations, but that's four. Five is consuming seafood, as discussed. It builds up not only in our retina and in our skin

to help us absorb light, but also it's the main building block of myelin, which is the sheathing, of course, that conducts electrical signals on nerves and allows us to have a really complex functioning brain. Think of it as the rubber coating that goes along all the electrical wiring in your body. That is the nervous system. And when you lose that, that's when you have cross-connectivity. That's issues that people have with some of the brain disorders. You think you want to stand up, and instead you piss your pants.

So you don't want that. No. You don't want that. Exactly. And that, based on all the theories of human evolution, in addition to the discussion with sunlight, to me that's the most convincing one, is that we move from inland in the savanna as apes to a coastal region

where there was loads of easy to forage shellfish, not necessarily fish at this point, but shellfish that we could literally just crack open and eat. There's even archeological evidence of massive caves with tons of shellfish that humans would probably grill or just eat raw. And this is, they're so high in minerals that the human brain specifically craves like zinc. Oysters are like the best. And they're also aphrodisiacs. It's like, you know, make people want to have sex. Maybe that's indicating of something.

Zinc, selenium, iodine, a lot of these powerhouses that we're nutrient deficient in. Exactly. The thing, well, the thing, exactly. The things that the human brain evolved using. And now we've moved to an environment where we're not consuming that so much anymore. But it's not that we, you know, don't have them or something. It's like, that's what we're supposed to have from the way the human evolved. So it's simple.

You leave the place where you have all this complex brain, you're going to slowly de-evolve. Um, you're not going to have all the stuff. So that's why that's so key. It helps us get in more light, just like the water helps us store the light better, just as the first steps help us also get in more light. And then, so that's four and five, six is getting cold. So again, cold cools, the skin allows us to assimilate more light, like hot on the beach, you get in the ocean, you get more sun and it feels great. Again, you have to stop once you've

had enough for the day, even if you are going to cool in the sun, ice bathing and sunbathing alternating to me is like the best. Yeah. We do the ice bath and then we got one set up similar to Luke and then hit 10 minutes each up similar to luke and then yeah hit 10 minutes each side with the juve or run around and play outside afterwards from the cold and yeah eventually we'll get a nice hot sauna going like gabby and lair do down in malibu yeah exactly i mean i there are ways to hack this stuff on the cheap and that's something that i try to give to people the there's no excuse not to take a cold shower in the winter time that's available everyone has that

right like we certainly don't get that cold here it's not cold at all during the summer here but i have the ice bath so point is you can do that and it's relatively cheap you know i mean 550 bucks i don't ever have to buy an ice bag again you know and i have that delivered straight to my door i can fix it up luke's story we'll link to his uh his his blog where he did a post on how to make your own cold bath at the crib. And it's fantastic. It's huge. We have officially run out of time. I know we could for sure keep going on this. And I definitely want to have you back on because we didn't even get into much of the other biohacks. We talked a bit about cold. We talked a lot about light and the mitochondria, which is really what I wanted to dive into with you today. But I know you're on the cutting edge of all this stuff. We got through a lot. We got through

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