Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #128 Mind Pump Returns

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

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Hello, friends. We have the return of the Mind Pump crew, Justin, Sal, and my man, Adam, all in their house in San Jose at the Mind Pump Studios. I traveled out to get a hold of these guys, get them back on the podcast. Unfortunately, we don't have a video for this one. There was some cameras set up,

did not realize they weren't rolling, but that's a rookie mistake that happens when I don't bring my podcast producer, I guess. But anywho, never fear. This is a fucking awesome episode. Adam is a new dad. So we talk about all sorts of shit, off topic, off fitness, I guess, and get into fatherhood, get into raising men. Every one of us has a boy. And that's pretty cool because I think that's, we're in a climate now of some disagreement around that issue,

what it means to be a man and how do we raise boys to become men in the modern world. I think that happened pretty late. To be perfectly honest, we talk about all sorts of shit and it was, you know, as always, a great episode.

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you know, if you do a good job communicating the stuff that people are willing to accept, which is, uh, or easy to accept, which is like workout diet. It's, I think it's,

we're the best people to communicate that other side of stuff. I think if you need to come from the, and maybe people are more receptive to it now, but when you come from that side only, when it comes from the woo-woo, whatever you want to call it, side, I think it's hard for the everyday person to hear it. Yeah. And I think the issue too, especially for me, and I'm sure for guys like you who take care of themselves, is like when the great spiritual master comes up and you can't see their belt, it's like, well, you're missing something here, right? The body is a temple. Like he fucking falls deep into spirituality and I'm sure you're not stressed, but you're not doing anything to help yourself here, right?

Yeah, you're lacking this peace. Like here we are in our bodies. It doesn't matter what you believe. If you believe you're an atheist or if you believe there's heaven or you believe we're going to reincarnate, no matter what you believe, you got this body right now.

What was the quote that Max Lugavere put up today? Did you see that? Oh, no, I didn't see it. He posted his tweet, something about, you know, your... God, something about it. It's what we eat is a form of self-respect. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Oh, that's how you treat yourself.

Right. Yeah, it's like if you were feeding a pet, you know, or something you loved, you know, you wouldn't give them shit. You give them the healthy stuff. Dude, that's the funniest thing too. Like at the Westminster dog show. It's like Best in Show. You've got like the most

obese dog handler trying to keep up with like fucking the baddest purebred dog. It's on a grass-fed carnivore diet. Slamming McDonald's in the parking lot and feeding all the good stuff to the dog. The irony.

Not taking care of themselves. That's our message this whole time. Eating well is a form of self-respect. Max said another great one the other day where he was saying, if you go out and party till 2 a.m. every weekend, you're basically starting every Monday, Tuesday jet-lagged. Yeah, because of the sleep.

You don't realize how big of a deal that is. Even just a few hours, right? That's huge. You don't realize how big of a deal that makes. Oh, that was, to me, one of the biggest game changers in being able to take my physique to the next level was that I had to go. I couldn't get over that hump of recovering

because the first two to three days was just trying to get back to square one again. And then you only have three days of good eating and training, And then you're right back to that weekend again. It's like a vicious cycle. How people wonder why you can't. How funny is that? Cause you, I mean, I've, I've trained a few people over time, but nowhere near, not even a quarter of any one of you in particular, how many people come up to you when they first start training and say, all right, do I got to give up alcohol? Yeah. And you're like, well, the people, the people that ask that question are

the ones that actually have the issues right the person who's who's drinking a glass or two of wine at night they're not even gonna fucking bring it up because they know it's fine they don't even say it that way you know what they say to us they say okay i'll change my doubt but i but i'm gonna drink on set like i'm not gonna change that i'm not gonna give up my sunday monday for my glass of wine with dinner. And so you just end up working around it because at the end of the day, look, you determine your values. And

you know, I think if people understand the trade-off, if they still value that experience more than, you know, maybe achieving a certain level of fitness or health, that's okay. As a trainer, I just learned to paint that picture for them, right? Like, yeah, absolutely. You could still have your glass of wine every single night, but you don't, you're not going to look like this

picture that you brought in for me. You know, that's the disconnect is I want to look like this, but I want to do what I want to do. And it's like, well, that person who got to that, this image that you have in your head or that you've brought in to show me what you want to look like, that person is making all kinds of sacrifice and they're not doing those things. And they're working all these extra hours in the gym and they're doing all this stuff to look that way. If you really want to look that way, these are some sacrifices that come along. But there's nothing wrong with you saying, I don't care. I don't need to look that way. I can still be healthy and balanced and have my glasses of wine. So it's really just, I think we just have,

and I, part of that is I think the way we advertise, right. We advertise the 30 day fix and you know, I hate people on social media that are, you know, fitness influencers that are posting things that are like showing the shitty food that they eat,

but then they're six pack abs. Like you fuck with everybody's head. You know, you guys were just talking about that. You're just talking about the rocks cheat meals. Yeah. At the end of the day, I think what's important is that people

understand the total value of the things that they do or the foods that they eat, for example. What are all the values? Think of all the values that you could potentially get from food. There's the obvious ones, which are the macronutrients and the micronutrients and the physiological healthy aspects of value in terms of for my physical body. That's an obvious one.

I don't think I need to discuss that one. But does food provide other value than just that? Absolutely. There's an emotional potential value. How often do people eat because of emotion? Probably most of the time. Is there a potential value to bond with people around you? Has food ever been used in that way? Absolutely. Are there memories attached to the food? Are you using it as a way to help you through a particular process. There's so many different values that you can add to food, for example, or other things. So if you just understand the whole picture, then you make the decision and you're okay. Then you can say, I want a glass of wine or I don't want a glass of wine rather than I can't have a glass of wine.

There's just a lot to tackle initially in the beginning. And we have to really reduce it down to what's the first thing that we've accomplished so far? You got to the gym. You're here talking to me. Let's just celebrate that. Let's emphasize what that looks like. That's just another barrier we're going to have to climb over. And so we'll get to that as far as drawing up what the healthiest, most optimized version of you looks like. And when we just start, you know, taking these, taking these one by one and, and making sure that, uh, you know, they feel like they're, they're, they're progressing, they're, they're getting, you know, further along in their journey.

And that's going to be something that's going to keep repeating because it is slowing you down. You, you, you aren't getting there quite as effectively as you could. So that's something that we're going to keep bringing that up. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're in an interesting time right now. And I think it's becoming more and more interesting because, you know, if you went back 50 years ago and you took a bunch of, you know, scientists and experts in human evolution and you said to them, hey, what do you think would happen to society if we gave everybody access to all the information ever recorded? Easy. They could just look it up right away. I think a lot of them would have said, oh, we would solve all of our problems. If everybody had all that access to information, they'd have all the information they need and we would solve a lot of our issues. I think we're realizing now that's not the case. I think it's not a knowledge or information problem.

I think it's a wisdom problem. So, you know, can a person right now through their phone figure out what's the best diet for them or what food contains and all that stuff? They could very easily. The information's there. Now, can they apply it in real ways? That's a different story. And I don't think that's an information. I don't think me communicating what foods do to your body is going to necessarily help.

I think what needs to be communicated more is, okay, how do you view food? What drives you to eat what you eat? And what are the total values? And then being okay with that. Because really, if you get to the point where, if you get to that point, then it's easy to say, to, to say no to foods that aren't providing you with any value because it doesn't become a, I can't, it's a, I don't want to, that's how I, you know, it took me a long time to get to that point myself.

You know, now it's, you know, Sal, do you, you know, do you eat healthy? Is it hard? What about, do you have cheat days? And it's like, well, no, if I want to eat a burger, I will. Usually I don't, I just don't want to. Does that mean it doesn't taste good? No,

I can completely appreciate the flavor and the hedonist, you know, the hedonism I get from eating a burger. It doesn't mean I don't, it's like, I, it's not like I changed that aspect of, I,

I, I love that stuff, but I don't value as much. I had three this morning. I eat fucking burgers all the time. Did you have three burgers this morning? Twice a week, Tosh will make these big ass grass-fed burgers.

You eat them in bread and everything? Hell no. I don't eat bread. That's not a burger. It is a burger. No, it's fucking meat. Meat on a salad. You gotta eat salad, bro. I haven't done a bun in years. Really?

No bun. Buns don't even turn me on anymore. Not those types of buns. When I was in New York, that's true. Not Rachel's buns. Oh, God. But yeah, like New York, I ate pizza with the gluten, not the fucking gluten-free pizza.

You ate the real pizza. I ate the real deal, Holyfield pizza. I felt like absolute trash. I gained 15 pounds in four days. Whoa! I was gluten intolerant, so I just swallowed a puffer fish. So just held a shit ton of water. I was also drinking like an asshole when I was out there. All that to say about alcohol, I definitely still tear it up

every now and then, but it's not a weekly thing. I'll pick my special events. I got a wedding this weekend. I'm heading to an LA, so I'll probably tear it up there, but still within reason. Not like I used to at ASU. When was the last time that we all linked up? When was the last time we podcasted together? How long has it been?

It's gotta be a year. You guys weren't at Paleo FX last year. No. So it's been over a year? Mm-hmm. It's gotta be. You've got quite a few more podcast interviews under your belt. How's that been feeling? Really good. Can you feel the transitions? No question. And what's cool, too, is, for every big guest we get,

like Peter Atiyah was a bucket list guest, like without question. And so, so, um, so is Lipton, Dr. Lipton coming on tomorrow. Bruce Lipton's like a huge bucket list guest. But like in those interviews, there was, there was a time as I'm sure you guys know, where you get the big guests and you're like, fuck, don't mess this up. You know, and you think about things and you relisten to the podcast. I remember you telling me that when we first podcast, you're like, listen to all your podcasts, listen to all your interviews, make sure you see the weak spots. And that's one of the ways that you get better. Right. And that was a huge, huge help to me. So thank you for that. But yeah, that's one thing that I've noticed is that the

more you do, the better you get at it. But also like that there's no i mean it helped that i was hunting with pete the whole week in hawaii a while back so i actually got to know him we had lots of awesome interesting conversations but um you know like that i haven't i haven't come across that yet where i'm like holy shit here i am with gabby reese or holy shit there's there's none of that weirdness are you going are you starting to go in with more questions prepared that you want to get into or do you just free flow always still? You know what?

So that's an interesting question. I have five for you guys. Oh, yeah. That's why my phone, I'm not looking at text messages or checking the gram right now. But what I found when I interviewed Ramit Sethi

out in New York, I had a laundry list of shit I did. I wanted to get to everything, you know, but what I found with that is it kind of ruins the flow of conversation, you know, especially because it takes away my ability to go along with wherever they're headed. You know, if I have a redirect of, okay, that was question number one, here's number two, you know, and I'm not wording it like that, but it still, it takes away from if they want to travel down a different avenue and I just go with that, it might fuck up my list. Right? So I've done a few interviews like that.

Wednesday Martin was another one where I had a list of questions and I really don't, I'll put a few bullet points down, but I think that's the better way to go because then we can talk about all this stuff that I wouldn't have thought of. Yeah. I think the key is it took us a long time to figure this out. Um, the key is you have the questions you prepare by. It's the prep, but yeah, then you go free flow. Yeah. And, but then you allow the conversation to go where it wants to go naturally. And really what dictates that is what sounded interesting. So as the person's talking and you, you think about the next question, like, oh, I'm going to ask this, but then they say something interesting, go there. You know, there's no issue with that.

It's when you get stuck, like you said, and like, oh, got to ask all my list questions or you have no prep whatsoever. And then you're like, uh. I did feel a level up for us. So we had our good buddy, Jordan Harbinger, who I think is one of the best. A great interviewer. Yeah, probably one of the better,

if not best podcast interviewers that we've ever met. We actually asked him to come in and spend a day with us just working on our interview skills and how can we evolve and get better. And probably the number one takeaway personally for myself was just the show prep time of that person. We always tend to get guests that we're already interested in. So we were able to off the cuff, have great conversation and dialogue because I'm interested in you. I don't need to dive in. But when I started to dive more into their work or what they're currently talking about right now or their blogs and the research, and then I would have like, I would list like 20 to 30 questions, but knowing that I'll never get to all those questions. And the research combined with the writing it down really cements it in my head like that. I can remember all those things. And I just did this with Ryan because we had Ryan Holiday last weekend. And I have all those things in my head now. I didn't get through probably half of them, but I did get through some of them. And because I had done all that prep,

it made it good. Now, I think the next level is setting guests up. There's certain things, for example, like Ryan Holiday, he had a nasty blog written about him in 2012. And I've never heard anybody else talk about this. And I'm like, I want to talk about this. I want to find a way. So one of the things I'm trying to improve upon is knowing that I want to take him to a sensitive area and not being like, we're all said, we're talking about stoicism. I'm like, oh, by the way, somebody wrote a bad article about you in 2012. How do I get him to a topic that I know will be a little fun to discuss? To me, that's the next level of interviewing that I'm trying to get at is knowing I want to take somebody somewhere that'll be a little controversial or make good radio,

but then also not being so generic about it to where it's like, next question, you know, like, can I insert that into the conversation to get that person to flow in the direction that I want them to? So it comes off as a natural conversation.

But meanwhile, I knew I was controlling it to head that direction. Yeah. And it's those unique facts. I think that's what really, it makes the interview more compelling because people listen to a lot of these guests on other podcasts. And it's like, if you have something that's distinctively different, that's going to provide

a lot more value for people to come over and listen to your specific interview. So yeah, we took that from Jordan. He does a really good job of also finding like all these things through wikipedia all these like different like levels of it that we we weren't aware of and really extracting a lot of like really unique information that he'll set them up and it's like wow like i've never heard that from that guest before which is cool yeah the the one thing for me that was uh that took a long time and it's still kind of not 100 there and this. And this was same guy taught us this. He says, you're interviewing the guests for the audience. And the reason why he said that was, you know, I said, gosh, you know, sometimes we'll have a guest come in and I want to like pin him on something. Like they said something I disagree with, but then I kind of

let it go. Or I don't ask him the super hard question. Cause I can tell that they're uncomfortable. And he says, yeah, you're, you're not, you're interviewing them for the audience. He goes, just go for it. They want you to. And if they get angry and pissed off, you still got a great show. The guy gets up and leaves halfway of the podcast. He's still out. I thought, God, that's true. I mean, how many times have you seen great journalists do that? Well, they'll ask the celebrity the hard question and the celebrity's like, you can see it it's it's a great conversation and i thought to my and it makes it hard because i'm such a um i always want to be very hospitable so when someone comes in my studio it's like i want to make you happy i want to be free even if

i don't know you you know you're in my house or whatever so then someone will say something you know like oh yeah you know you know like who was it we interviewed a long time ago um dave asprey that was a just i'll use that as an example i'll use him as an example while we were interviewing him he was talking about the best way to work out and he fucking doesn't know what he's talking about he was talking about some machine that he does for 10 minutes once a week max intensity that's all you buy plate with like a 12 pound kettlebell that's the best way to build muscle and you know i i when i heard him say that you know inside of me i was like you but i didn't say anything cause I want to be polite. Yeah. If I did that interview

now, I would say, ah, stop for a second. That's bullshit. That's actually not the best way to work out. This actually, this actually segues into one of the conversations I wanted to have with you guys about longevity. You just released an episode about it. Yes. And the second guy started talking about it. It really, it, it brought up a lot for me because did you guys listen to David Sinclair on Rogan's? No. Yeah, I did. It's a great one. So, it, it brought up a lot for me because did you guys listen to David Sinclair on Rogan's? No. Yeah, I did. It's a great one. So, but, but there are gaping holes in a longevity masters game and Rogan does call them on it. You know, like he, he works out. It's like, I work out about two hours a week. Well, that's on one day and an hour of that is

stretching. Right. And then it's like some most of it's like moderate intensity cardio, which is exactly what you guys cover in the best way to train. And then he's also on statins for cholesterol. And it's like, bro, that's old news, man. Come on. That's just been fucking debunked already. How are you not up on this? You're up on

resveratrol and NAD and every other shit that you could possibly do. And of course, he has a very and I'm not trying to shit that you could possibly do. And, and of course he has a very, and I'm not trying to shit on Sinclair. He's for sure. Uh, he's brilliant. He's a brilliant man. And I'm happy there are people like him doing what he's doing in the world. But from a personal standpoint, like there's some very key low hanging fruit, you know, that base layer the foundational layer that he's missing on many levels yeah i think um that space of the longevity people the hackers or whatever they're always looking for the latest uh biohack yeah like special hack or biohack or whatever and you know what at some point i'm

pretty sure science is going to figure something like that out. At some point, they'll stumble upon something that's going to be breakthrough. I do believe that. But we haven't yet. The best stuff that we have, the best science that we have is just look at the people in the world who've not just lived the longest, but have also had the best quality of life during that period of time. Just look at that. Because modern science definitely can keep you alive longer, but you're not going to be, it's not going to be a great quality

of life. We see this now. I mean, you look in modern Western societies and lifespan has gone up over the past even couple decades, but you look at the rate of chronic illness and that's also has gone up. And depression, suicide,

all that's still increasing. Yeah. So it's not so much of a hack as much. I mean, it's like trying to learn a hack to becoming a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Okay. Could you,

are there some online courses that you could take to become a black belt? I could probably find one. Just watch videos. And I could probably say I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu. Ain't going to be the same thing as going in the gym

and rolling and training and tapping out and getting my ass kicked for years. I think we look too much into the weird stuff and we don't focus on kind of the basic stuff.

The big rocks, dude. Yeah. You can't take the shortcut to extending your life like that you know it's gonna be funny is when half of these guys all die at 75 and 80 dudes it's gonna blow up the biohacking industry that didn't exist that long ago you don't say like everybody that's waiting my money's on ben greenfield and and the reason why i i say that is because so far of the dave asprey, the Ben's and all these different guys that we've

met, in my opinion, he does the best job of addressing the big rocks first. I mean, the guys is, spends a lot of time in silence. He does, he does a lot of reading, meditating. He, he feeds himself whole foods. I don't know anybody that eats better than Ben. Right. Wouldn't you say that? When I look at him, and I know there's a lot of people who look at him and think he's too woo-wooing out there, but I love that. If there's a guy who's going to experiment and tell me about these fringe things

and for me to hear their experience with it, he's the guy that I want to know. I don't want somebody who says fucking, that's on statins and got all these other issues, but then they've got this fucking hack to share with me. I'm like, come on, bro. If you're not doing the big rock stuff and handling that, I can't take it. Plus, it's also just this,

and I think it's the human condition, it's this incredible arrogance that we have where we're like, oh, we know. We know what to do. Like, okay, antioxidants. Tons of antioxidants. That's great. It prevents cancer. That's what the science says.

And then later on, you learn if you have cancer and you take antioxidants, that shit's going to fucking grow and survive. And if you're on chemo, it's going to prevent the chemo from killing the cancer. You look at mTOR, you know, mammalian target rapamycin. This is a signal that tells muscles to grow. It's also something that signals cancer to grow, depending on the context. And that's just what we know now. We're so arrogant that we think we're going to take a compound or something and because oh, you know, this you know, this, what's that one drug that they all take for

insulin sensitivity that everybody metformin, yeah, oh, metformin oh, look at all studies, it's great, everybody should take this I was talking about that as well, yeah, everybody should take this you know, um again, the arrogance, like we have all the fucking answers, we know all the stuff look, if metformin was taken for

10,000 years and it was part of a if metformin was taken for 10,000 years and it was part of a ancient practice for 10,000 years, I'd be more likely to be like, okay, there may be something to this. But when we're talking about a drug that people have been using for a generation or two now. And that's the whole thing though. Metformin has been around for 10,000 years. It's called berberine. It's fucking in ancient Ayurvedic medicine. It's not the same. It's probably way better for you. And Greenfield has a whole article about that. But we think of things in Western terms as,

all right, we figured out there's an issue here, right? Insulin resistance is an issue. Elevated blood sugar is an issue. And it's a cause of many diseases that we have. So let's figure out a drug for that. But what lowers that right working out lowers that and looking weights and eating right and getting plenty of sleep lowers that lowering your stress response to everything in life like the why zebras don't get ulcers talk that lowers but it's also we're looking at the we have to understand something for example elevated cholesterol, at some levels, at some point when it gets really high, can that potentially kill you?

It can't. If it gets really, really high, it can kill you. But we also don't look at, so we think, okay, take a drug to lower cholesterol. But we don't realize, okay, well, why is the cholesterol high in the body? It sometimes acts as an antioxidant. The body could also be using the cholesterol to repair weaknesses in your arteries. Your arteries may not have great integrity. And so it's using cholesterol kind of like spackle to strengthen the sides.

So if I take a drug that just lowers blood sugar or increase my insulin sensitivity, I'm not looking at the downstream effects or before that. Why is it high in the first place? And so am I solving the problem? Maybe I'm making another problem. Let's look at statins, for example. So I'm going to take statins because statins reliably and consistently lower cholesterol levels and lower LDL cholesterol levels. Reliably and consistently. That's a total fact. Okay. So I'm going to take statins even though I seem to be healthy, but you know what? I think less fact. Okay. So I'm going to take statins even though I seem

to be healthy, but you know what? I think less cholesterol is better. So let me just keep taking these statins. And then I die of heart failure because my liver is not making CoQ10 anymore. And this is something that a lot of people don't realize about statins, that they stop the production of CoQ10, which is an essential nutrient for heart function. So with statins, a lot of times you see increase in heart failure rates because of that one fact. Okay, I'll supplement with CoQ10 then. Okay, maybe. You know, you may be causing other problems. You know what works really well though? All the stuff that we've been doing forever, all the stuff we've been doing for thousands, that's the hard stuff.

And here's the other side of it too. I think the fact that it's hard is one of the benefits. Honestly, do we honestly think that if I had a magic pill, let's say I had perfect science and I had a pill that you could swallow, that would make you lean and muscular and all that stuff. It would just make you fit as if you worked out. Is that going to give you all the benefits of actually going, taking the time, going to the gym, sweating and working hard and working out and going through the pain? Are you going to get all of the benefits of that? No, because a lot of, some of the benefits come from that, the actual struggle of doing it. So, and you know, earlier I said, we're in an interesting time. I think it's interesting because we're getting pretty close to where

we're going to get everything we think we want. You know what I mean? We're going to get everything we think we want. Pretty soon we'll get to the point where we'll have robots we could fuck that are super hot. We'll have... I'm in. Food that... I'm about you guys, but I'm in. Food that's super amazing and tastes good, but doesn't have calories. 3D printers that can print

you anything that you want. Maybe even print you any drug that you want. We're going to have entertainment. What kind of entertainment we want. Maybe we'll reach a point where artificial intelligence works for us. So now we have all this leisure time or whatever. Is that going to give, is that going to solve all of our problems?

No, I think we're going to be in a very precarious situation. I think we're going to sit down and be like, oh, fuck. I got everything I think I want, but it's not making me feel good. I'm not really happy. I'm not really fulfilled. And I think that's maybe why you're seeing more people now go back to the ancient teachings. Because I think they're getting to that point where they're like, you know, because at some point, I think you go back a hundred years, maybe you were struggling so much just to live that you didn't

think you didn't have to think that you had a sense of purpose because you were like, I got to fucking work or not going to eat. You know what I mean? Or my job is hard as fuck. Like that's all I got to focus on. We're getting to the point now where we're kind of chilling, sitting around and comfortable and we're like, why do I feel sad all the time? This doesn't make any sense.

So now we're kind of going back and looking at that old stuff. So I feel like there's a resurgence. Have you guys seen the documentary I feel like there's a resurgence. Have you guys seen the documentary I Am? No, I haven't. It's the director of... He directed the first Ace Ventura. He did Liar Liar. I know which one he's talking about.

He did Bruce Almighty. He did a shit ton of movies. He's the guy who blew up Jim Carrey. I'm going to get him on the podcast soon. He's a fantastic... The documentary is fantastic, but it basically just shows like after he did Ace Ventura, he bought his first house in Beverly Hills and then Liar Liar was infinitely more money, got a second house. And then Bruce Almighty or one of these other last ones,

he gets his third house. It's 33 mil in Beverly Hills. And he's got the movers dropping off every box into his house. He's got this giant double staircase he's sitting in and the last box comes in and he just starts bawling because he realizes he's still not happy. Right. So this is in search of happiness. And it's all through the ancient traditions on ways people find inner peace and inner stillness, which is, that's the way we get to happiness, right? People search for happiness, but it's a search for peace. It's a search for acceptance of what is and really being

content with all that you have in life. You can still have goals, but that ability to enjoy what's going on right now and to be present with that. It's all about non-identification. The Beatitudes in Christianity are like that. And Buddhism talks a lot about, you know, not identifying with things and that's all of that. You know, these days I don't work out to necessarily accomplish any goals. I enjoy the struggle of the workout. And you know what that means? I'll never stop. You know what I mean? I'll never stop because I'm always going to be

able to go and work out and struggle. Because I enjoy that part, I'm going to do that shit all the time. Yeah, I'm never going to try to PR again on Deadlifter Squad. I'm never going to enter another 55K Ultra. But I just fucking love it. We did that acid bath the the other day and I was like, I'll fucking try this. We got a little leaderboard going on it. What was that? It's a, it's all the concept to equipment. So they do this to the CrossFit games and it's a 500 meter row, 500 meter skier again,

thousand meter concept to bike. It's gnarly. I didn't four 55 and I was fucking fried, but it was awesome. It was a five minute workout. I spent 30 minutes warming up before it, but it was amazing. Then that's just a fun thing. I may run that back a couple more times, especially if, if the score gets beat, but commence the pissing contest. But, but it was just a fun, it was a fun, unique way to do that. And I'm not good. You know, I posted the video and of course, like everybody and their moms, like your rowing form sucks. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not a rower. I'm not a crossfitter. But please tell me, like, please tell me, send me a link to a video. I'm happy to improve. If that can improve my time, I'm fucking down. Like I'm not acting like I know

what I'm doing. We live in such an interesting world that we sit around on a, on a platform and look at these pictures of people that we don't even know and then take time out of our day to to make comments like that i find that really fucking fascinating i mean that's to your point like we're we are so fucking bored and we we lack so much purpose in our life that we find we find to ourselves well looking at other people for half of our day and commenting on their stuff. Like, what the fuck is... That's where we're heading right now. It's a scary place. I'm getting my form corrected all the time.

Yeah. Anytime I post a video, they're like, oh, Sal, is your hip supposed to move up that fast? Right. You're bending your knees. Yeah. That's all right, man.

Calm down. Anyway, I think if you... I think you can apply... One of the reasons why I like exercise so much is it's so clear, black and white, in terms of the effect and benefit and struggle and all that stuff. It's very easy.

Once you learn that lesson, you can apply it to a lot of different things. So like, you know, whether it's podcasting or business or speaking in front of people and you find it super challenging, you can go back to the lesson you learned from working out

and the fact that you love the struggle. Start to learn to love that struggle as well. God, imagine if you could love the struggle of everything. You would just get better. I told this story on the podcast not that long ago. This was maybe about six, seven months ago. And we just had a crazy day here. Employees stressing me out, shit going on behind the scenes stressing me out.

And I was frustrated. And when I get like that, I'm really good about keeping my cool and balanced within the workplace. And this is what- And just explode at Katrina when you get home. Yeah, right. But not at her.

Like I vocalize it to her and like she's a great sounding board for me. And I couldn't even get home. I actually called her in the truck and like I've got her on speakerphone and I'm like, rah, rah, rah, rah. I'm going to this. I'm fucking'm fucking this piss me off. I'm fucking like the whole goddamn thing on fire. I'm just like barking. Right. And she's just listening, listening. And then she's like, I'm like done, right. Ranting. And then there's like a little

bit of silence and I'm like, hello, hello, you there? She goes, yeah, no, I'm here. Are you done? And I'm like, yeah, I'm done. She goes, would you want it any other way? And I was like, fuck, you're right. I wouldn't want it easy. And if it was like anybody could do this. And if the fact that it's fucking hard and it's challenging to the point that it pushes me here sometimes is exactly what I absolutely love in it. And if I truly ask myself that and say, man, if this was all these problems that I'm venting about were gone

and I could just snap my fingers and have all those things that I'm talking about handled, would there be any joy in overcoming it and getting through it? There wouldn't be. It would be lame. And I'd be in search of the next thing that challenged me anyways.

So, I mean, just that thought, I try that and practice that. And, I mean, just that thought, like I try that and practice that and I try and teach that when you get in those moments when you're all frustrated with something like that to truly ask yourself, would you want this easy? And when you're in it and you feel it,

it's really, fuck, I want to be done with this. But really though, ask yourself if this was all easy and you could snap your fingers and just have it done all the time. It's like that great... The Twilight Zone.

Yeah, the Twilight episode that Sal shares all the time. I love the meaning behind that. I think it's so amazing because it's exactly right. This guy, this robber gets shot. Yeah, have you ever watched... Did you watch the episode?

I know the episode you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, tell my listeners though. This is awesome. Yeah, so he's a bank robber and he's getting chased by the cops and gets shot or whatever falls down gets up and so it looks like he didn't die or whatever and there's a guy waiting for him this guy with this like white suit on and he goes hey you know welcome you know come with me or whatever and he's he's like who are

you whatever anyway this guy ends up taking him to this opulent hotel room with women and whatever and he says look man you you know you can have anything you want, anything at all. Where you're at now, you get whatever you want. It's great. And so the guy's like, oh, yeah, we'll prove it. You know, bring me a couple of dames or whatever. And he brings up two girls and he's like, what? And then he goes to a casino and he throws the dice and, you know, he gets a seven and

he gets another seven. He's like, oh, my God, this is amazing. Then it fast forward like a couple of weeks and the dude hasn't shaved and he's fucking distraught and he's at the craps table and the girls are like laughing at everything he says and he's like and he throws the dice and it's a seven again he's like ah so then he calls out that guy in the white suit he's like hey i forgot his name he calls him up the guy shows up and he goes what is this crap because every time i roll the dice i win every girl i talk to likes me. I get everything I want. He goes, I need some like challenge.

I need something. And he goes, oh yeah, we could definitely structure that in here somehow. And he goes, no, no, no. He goes, then it would be planned. It's not the same. It's not the same. He's like, ah.

And he goes, this is, I did not picture heaven to be this way. And the guy starts laughing and he goes, we told you this was heaven. It's a really, really good, really, really good lesson or episode. And it's, I mean, it's a hundred percent really good lesson or episode. And I mean, it's 100% true. I think we all want that.

Sometimes we all think to ourselves, we want things to be easy. But no, man, it wouldn't be the same. I had this conversation with, I think it was my daughter. She was really, really intimidated by something. And she went and did it. And then afterwards, I said, wow, you're, you're so brave. I said, I'm so proud of you, how brave you were to do that. And she says, well, I'm not brave. She goes, so-and-so is brave. She's not even scared. She does it all the time.

And I said, okay. I said, I said, do you know who Superman is? And she goes, yeah. I said, well, you know, nothing can kill Superman, right? And she goes, yeah. And I said, do you think he's brave to walk into a fiery building? He knows he's not going to die. And she thought about it. She's like, well, no. And I said, well, okay. I said, you were brave because you were scared, not because it was easy. And I mean, I think that's just it right there.

You can't have all those attributes of bravery and hard work and all that stuff if you don't have the challenge. It doesn't count. Well, you lose purpose. It's probably the reason. And I think being a new father now, I get this and understand this, right? Like so many people that have had a child would probably say that that's their purpose in life, right? Or their legacy is their child now. And I get why that gives so many people so much purpose. And now I have a new purpose, a greater purpose that i've ever had in my life and it's because it's fucking hard it's so hard it's because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do in your life is raising another human being and that's the reason why it gives you such great purpose that's the fucking reason i was just thinking that is the

goddamn secret i was just thinking about that this morning adam uh about what you're saying right now you know what makes it so hard it's not that the like the the logistics of it because that's kind of pretty you know straightforward you know take care of a baby make sure they have food make sure they have shelter give them a kiss every once in a while love them whatever it's not hard in that sense it's hard because you care yeah way more about your kid than anything else so if you because you care so much that's why it's so fucking hard. It's not just your life anymore that's on top of mind. You're living through multiple lives now. It's not just about you continuing on and having the best version that you could do on your own.

Now I want to duplicate that and pass that on and leave legacy through another human being. And that's such a powerful responsibility. Yeah. Have you had any situations yet? I know your boy's still really young, but have you had any situations yet where you're going to make a decision or do something and you think to yourself, okay, well, how would my son think about this? It happens all the time. Isn't that weird? It happens all the time now. Things that I do that, because I think out of all of us,

I probably embody the zero fucks motto that we say. He has one fuck now. Yeah. I do. Plus one. I do. I absolutely do. I mean, in the past,

I have had that mentality so much that it's like, I could sit at peace with the worst case scenario no matter what really easily. Worst case scenario is, oh, I lose this or somebody hates me or whatever and all that. I don't care anybody else's approval, right? But his. Now I feel that when I do things. I mean, I even catch myself like the other day, I just, I wanted to smoke weed. I haven't had weed in a while. And I was like, I want to smoke some weed. And I'm like, fuck, I don't want him to smell it. He's an infant right now.

I'm like, I don't, that conversation is going to come one day. I know that. And I have no problem with that. But I also don't want to accelerate it. You know what I'm saying? I don't want it to like, I don't want it to be conversation's going to come one day. I know that and I have no problem with that, but I also don't want to accelerate it. You know what I'm saying? I don't want it to like, I don't want it to be

like a five-year-old conversation because dad smells like pot and he's never smelled that anywhere else except for at home, right? So I think about that now, you know,

and now I catch myself out on the deck, like, you know, fucking blowing it outside so he doesn't have to smell. Well, you grow up hiding weed

from your parents and then you have kids and you hide weed from your kids. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just shit kids and you hide weed from your kids you know what i mean yeah it's just just shit like that or even too just uh you know the way i am with somebody like the the way i treat somebody or the way i talk to people like when i want my kid to see me right exactly i think about that now i think about those conversations and think like

you know one day he'll be observing me very carefully. And I want to know that he's proud of me. Um, I want to be able to explain myself. Like I think about that. I never thought about that stuff before. And so, yeah, that's new. We had, I was having this conversation with my kids. These guys know the story. I don't think I ever told you Kyle, but years, it was a while ago. I think my, I want to say maybe my kids were... My daughter was probably three or four. My son was like eight or nine, maybe. And we were driving home from my mom's house. And I was...

I don't remember what was going on. I was stressed out. And I'm in the car and I'm already kind of irritated. And we're driving. We go around the corner and there's a bunch of these, you know, I don't know, 16, 17-year-old guys playing basketball. And so they stopped playing. They're playing in the street.

They stop and they kind of part. As I drive through, one of the guys thought it'd be funny to throw his basketball at my car. And so he bounces it off the window, the side window where my daughter, my four year old daughter sitting. Lit on fire. So it's like bang, right? And so I controlled the rage for three seconds you ever get that where you feel it and you're like hold it hold it and then it comes out so i drive for three seconds and then i hit the stop and then i turn around and drive back and the kids run inside their house

and i run out of the car i pull up in the driveway they're all in the house and i don't know what to do and i see their basketball hoop and i fucking broke it. I picked the big, those ones that they, they put on the side of the road. I smashed it, kicked it, crushed it, get in the car, start driving off. And my son is like eight years old. And he's like, he goes, um, what was that? Why'd you do that? And I said, well, they, they, and I'm like, oh shit, I got to explain it to my kid. I thought by myself like oh fuck you know whatever I gotta explain to my kid now so I'm like well I got real real mad and and they threw the ball at the window where your sister's sitting and I

felt overprotective I felt like I needed to protect you guys so I went back and you know that's that's what you saw so we're driving still and my son goes you put us in more danger by pulling going bringing the car back and then opening the car door. And he's being totally logical.

He's right. So at that moment, I had to stop. I've had a few moments like this with my kids where because you're the parent, you want to be right. You want to tell them you'll understand when you get older bullshit. But then the other side of me is like, no, this is a great opportunity to teach them. Number one, dad can admit when he's wrong. And this is a great lesson in that we're all human. So I said, you're right. I said, that was really stupid of me to drive back over there and get pissed off that way. I said, I definitely should have done that.

And I put you guys in more danger. Um, I had another opportunity when, uh, this was when my daughter was a little bit older and I'm putting her in her car seat. And, uh, I don't remember what I did. I dropped something or something like that. And I'm like, shit, close the door. And I get in the car and she's like, you said a bad word.

And I'm like, yeah. You know, and I'm like, Oh, you know, what do I say? Something like,

I'm an adult though. Adults can say bad words. When you get older, you'll be able to say bad words too, but you shouldn't say those. You're a kid. And she goes, okay.

She goes, yeah, but you still shouldn't say those words around little kids you're 100 right yeah boy man they'll teach you some shit i tell you what they really do teach you but it's you know it's it's hard it's the hardest thing in the world because you care so much that's why i was thinking about this one why is it so fucking hard it's easy you know do this that it's basic stuff no it's not just because you care well i think there's a part of you that wants to i mean at least for me like at the bare minimum i want to give him everything that i know which is right good right all the good stuff right well that's

what i'm saying at the bare minimum i want to pass down all my knowledge like so i i mean i know i'm not the smartest the wisest the most successful person in the world by any means, but I have more than he has right now. And so, by bare minimum, I want to give that. But that in itself is a fucking lifetime of, you know, explaining those situations and doing that. And self-awareness. Right. Yeah. No, it's fucking crazy.

It's all experience too, though. You know, like we want to set up all these ways we can teach, but we're all learning through experience. Right. You know,, it's fucking crazy. It's all experience too, though. We want to set up all these ways we can teach, but we're all learning through experience. And that's just it. I think Jordan Peterson talked about that beautifully. Would you set up this perfect little bubble for your children where they were completely safe and didn't have to worry about failure, didn't have to worry about getting hurt, didn't have to experience life in its fullness and realness? The answer is no. If you truly know, you would never choose that because there's no way for them to learn then.

Do you have a little shit? Do you guys have a favorite? I have a favorite Jordan Peterson lesson. I just shared this the other day with, when we were, I think, talking to Ryan, I think when this came up. He said something, I think it was Joe Rogan's interview when he said this.

He talks about, this blew my mind. He's talking about like how we plan for a vacation and like, you know, you got a week long trip next year that you're going to Europe or whatever like that. And, you know, husband and wife, they plan it out to every minute to the hotels and your shopping prices. And, you know, he goes on and on talking about how much energy and effort that we put into trips

and vacation like this and hours and days spent on it. And he goes, you know, it's crazy that we do that. And he goes, how often though do you spend the time thinking about the first 10 minutes that you walk in the door and you greet your spouse? Yet you'll do so much more. That'll equate to five times more than that entire week of that vacation over the course of your life. And how much time you actually spend preparing for that, which arguably will be more important than almost anything else that you do in your life, especially when in comparison to traveling or going away for a week or whatever. And that was just like, for me, because I was like, man, because I'm that guy, right? Like I have a hard transition for me to go from full-blown work mode here and my brain going a hundred miles an hour to walking through my door and then all of a sudden being dad and husband. Like that transition, I need like a one hour, two hour buffer. I've almost put that expectation on my poor partner for so long until that moment.

Like that really fucking was like a game changer for me to go like, dude, stop before you turn the car off and you keep walking to the car, still thinking about work stuff, shut it down. Shut it down, reframe your situation, think about what you're doing. Make sure you walk over to your wife, greet her, kiss her, see your baby. To me, that was one of the most valuable pieces of advice I've ever heard that man speaking. I've heard almost every time.

I haven't heard him talk about that, but I remember Ben Greenfield, the first time I interviewed him, he was talking about how the second his day ends at four, when he goes to pick up River and Taryn, he's no longer on his phone. He's no longer checking emails. He's completely switched gears and he's a hundred percent invested his dad. And that really stuck out to me because when you spend time with him, you see that in action. It's not fucking for the podcast. It's not bullshit. He's all about it. But for me, I do need that transition. So thankfully we have the sauna and it's a one mile loop around on it and I'll go for a walk

and i'll hit the sauna and like that's my decompression time at the end of the day before i choose to go home and be fully invested and there's still times where i fuck up and kids are really smart you'll see as your boy gets older you're on that phone too much some barrel slap that shit right out of my hand and say look at me daddy yeah he doesn't want me on the fucking phone he knows better you know and that's like very, it's straight to the point. He's not pulling punches, you know? But I think about that. Like as long as I can get most of that ironed out

and cut away some space for myself, it's very easy to make that transition. But without it, like on those days where you don't have the time because you're just grinding all the way until five or six and then you get home, those are hard transitions. I think the most important part,

because it's, you're right, like I still fuck that up. But the part to me that I find a lot of value in now is that if and when those moments happen, where, you know, like let's, and because Katrina will do it to me. She doesn't, she'll allow me to be me and do me. And she can see if I got a lot on my mind.

But, you know, like let's say an hour or two hour goes by and I really haven't said hi to her since I've been at the door. She'll give me a soft reminder. It's the difference now when I get that soft reminder than what it would have been before in the past. I would be like, I've got a lot of shit going on with my work. That's why. You know what I'm saying? That's why I'm this way or whatever. Defense mode. Right. Defense mode. Where now

since that piece of advice, yes, I still fuck up sometimes and I still go back to old ways where I still think it's hard to break something that I've been like for fucking 20 years plus in my life. But at least now when I get called out or checked on it, I'm not defensive about it. I go, you're right.

I'm sorry. I love you. Kiss, whatever that. I'm done with my phone. Let's sit down. Let's spend some time together. And then I think I... So to me, that in itself is...

I think that that's the first step, the self-awareness piece of it that comes from it. Right. No doubt about it. Yeah. Well, what, uh, we got, I think we got a time for 10 minutes left, right, Doug? Yeah, we got some time. All right.

So I do have, I do have one question that I'll ask you guys, cause we're all, you guys at least have one boy each, right? Yeah. So everybody here in this room, we're all men, at least as far as I know. And we all have boys that we're raising. What does it mean to raise a boy in the modern era? And how are you prospecting you will help them to become a man? Oh, wow. Somebody, we do on our Instagrams every once in a while, we do the live Q&A, or not live, but the Q&A is what people ask you a question, you answer it. And I got that question

asked of me twice. So people will typically ask fitness questions, but people ask you a question, you answer it. And I got that question asked of me twice. So people will typically ask fitness questions, but every once in a while I'll get a personal one. And somebody asked me, what does it mean to you to be a man, like a good man? And I thought about it for a second. And the best answer I could give was to be an amazing father. Same person then saw my answer and came back and said, well, if I don't plan on having any kids, what would make,

how can I become a good man? And I said, act like a good father would act. And I think that's it, 100%. So rather than saying, what makes a man a good man or how do you turn someone, your son into a good man? Well, what makes a good father? You or what's, how do you turn someone, your son into a good man? Well, what makes a good father? You don't have to have kids, but what makes a good father? What

are the characteristics? Integrity, I think is number one for me. I think, and I think this is true for men and for women, but to be who you are and be honest and integrity is not just about saying what's on your mind. It's also about being vulnerable. That's integrity. So saying I'm scared, I'm afraid, I messed up, I'm wrong. All the stuff you don't want to say or admit, especially to your own kids. That's integrity. I think that's a very important one. Be a consistent provider, a consistent support system, and a consistent protector when needed. I think that's important. I think consistency is sorely lacking with a lot of fathers these days. In some demographics, as much as three out of every four families are raised without fathers. Complete inconsistency.

It's so bad. And it's better now than it was before, I guess. But it's so bad today. And sometimes you'll hear moms complain about this, that if a dad shows up to a few games, you know, kisses his kids and says, I love you, he gets awards for it. Like, oh my, I'll tell you what,

take your kids to the park in the middle of the day when there's moms and nannies and watch how many people come up to you and say how great of a dad you are. Now, at first you feel good about that. Oh yeah, I feel great. But then ask yourself, wait a minute, why is it so awesome that I'm doing that? Look at all these other moms and nannies. Oh, I know why. Because a lot of fathers are inconsistent. So the simple fact that I'm here at the park with my kids is really standing out. So I think being consistent is super, super important. And then another one is brave, not fearless. That doesn't exist. That's bullshit. People say they don't have any fear full of shit. Everybody's scared of something, but to be brave, what does that mean? Well, when shit gets hard and scary as the man of the house or father or leader with your

family, or even if you don't have a family, you just face it. You go ahead and you face it, but with integrity. It's okay to be afraid, but you go forward anyway. I think that's what it means to be a good man. But I think the definition is act like a good father would. And the reason why I say it that way is I think it makes sense. And I think it doesn't trigger anybody. Because I think a lot of times you talk about being a man, sometimes you trigger... You talk about all these masculine traits. Yeah, you talk about all kinds of...

Toxic masculinity. But if I say you be a good father, I think everybody can get on board with that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really know how to answer that in the most eloquent way. So I'll kind of put that. But in terms of what I want

them to become, I have to internalize that and really focus on how I'm modeling that to them. And that's in how my interactions with my wife, my interactions with my friends, my interactions with my family, all of that, I look at internally as how my kids perceive that and how I communicate to other people and how I acknowledge other people and put people in front of me in terms of having respect, but also having respect for myself. And I think that we get lost in the differences between genders. And I think it's unfortunate. There are definitely differences. And that's not something that I'm not trying to downplay the fact that there. I think that it's about being a good human being at the end of the day. And I think that you accomplish that by having good morals, having good integrity, and being consistent in terms of your core values. And I just really want to establish those core values within my two boys so they can be successful and be a good human being to everybody else and be a good light in the world. And I don't get lost in all the nuances of what might be bad, what might hurt somebody's feelings over here or any of that

stuff. It's just being consistently a good example. It's really tough to try and add to all of that because I think that both Sal and Justin hit a lot of that stuff that I think is extremely important. I think the reason why we're such close friends is our values are very similar. The only thing I would probably add that I, that I didn't hear either one or hit is self-awareness. I think it was the single greatest tool that was ever given to me. And it's what I think provides continued growth for the rest of my life. Right. I don't think, and to me, I think that I want to pass that same lesson down to him and, and know that him and know that you are human. You may not always say the right thing. You may not always do the right thing, but that's okay. And to strive to grow and to be a better version of yourself than what you were yesterday. be the single best lesson that I can give to him because at the end of the day, I can't expect him

to be the man that I was or a better man than me or just like me. He's going to find his own path. But I can teach him to be a better version of himself every day and to seek that. And then also to Justin's point, to be the best example that I possibly can so he has something to model after. So to me, that's about the only So he has something to model after, right? So to me, that's about the only thing I could add to, I think, what they say, because I think they both said it really, really well. And then maybe I plan to read a lot of Dr. Seuss to him

and unpack those. Yeah, hell yeah. I think Dr. Seuss is one of the greatest philosophers of all time. I wish I understood the message that he was delivering in all of his writings as a kid. I wish somebody unpacked it for me. I just read them as a rhyme.

Yeah, just entertaining. Yeah, as a kid, you just read them as a rhyme where I can't wait to teach my son, like, you know what he means by this, and where that applies in your life. I think there's so many great lessons that are taught in a lot of his books.

There's a fantastic book we got there from Dr. Se it's the places you'll go yeah it's fucking man the first time i read it i got welled up big time yeah yeah it blows your mind as an adult reading i read so much dr seuss the kid knew i no idea what he was saying half the time you know no idea yeah just rhymed and it was funny good pictures yes exactly Yes, exactly. But as an adult going back and reading a lot of it, like, whoa, that's fucking deep for a kid right there. Like, I wonder how many parents actually take the time to ask the kid, like, do you know what that means? And like, where this may apply in your life

and then kind of helping them unpack and give them an example. Like, I just, it's something that I, once I understood what was being taught in there, it was something I was like, man, when I have like we're gonna not only read these but I'm gonna teach them what's what's being taught in this I think that's a good question that you asked though Kyle because um I think a lot of the some of the a lot of the issues that were that we may see today is the result of a lot of uh men not being good men and I don't mean by being bad that's not what

I'm talking about. Obviously, you know, someone committing crimes and hurting people, that's obviously bad. I'm talking about there's a lot of guys that just were not good fathers or didn't act like good fathers. And it's happened now for a few generations.

And I think we're seeing a lot of problems because of that. I would like to see society start to value fatherhood again and put it up as a high high value again i think for a long time we've made fun of dads it's not that big of a deal it's not important we've we've placed more value um on being a bachelor and i think we've done i think that we've done that for parenting in general and even women one of the things I'm struggling with right now is, you know, I've fallen in love with

an extremely independent woman who was raised to make her own money. Don't, don't, you don't have to ever rely on a man to provide for you. And, and I was attracted to that. I love, that's one of my favorite things. And I'm in this weird position right now because now having a child and seeing her with them and knowing like, I want her to be with them as much as possible. And we don't need the extra money that she's going through, but yet that's what she loves and her independence. And I think there's a problem in our society right now that we've pushed this agenda so much of, you know, I am woman, hear me roar and independence and more women in the boardroom,

more women as CEOs that we've almost devalued the and more women in the boardroom, more women as CEOs, that we've almost devalued the value of them in the house and being a mother. Now that I see that, I go, holy shit, I was so attracted to you being this executive woman and a grinder, but now seeing you as a mother with my son and knowing the importance of that

and that you're impacting one of my blood for the rest of his life, holy fuck, that's way more. You're right. Parenthood has just been raising kids. Being a parent has just been devalued across the board. And it's not to say you can't choose to do what you want, but I think, and I've heard, I know this,

just through training a lot of clients and a lot of my friends, where they feel criticized for, well, I have this master's degree, but I don't want to work. I want to be here with my kids. But I think I need to worry, almost feeling the pressure of not being... Oh, my wife got that from her old coworkers.

It's like, oh, what a waste. Coming back to be a stay-at-home mom and take care of my kids. And it's so unfortunate that you feel that way. Like, like, I just don't see that at all. It's, it is such a blessing that she could be there, you know, like helping to build and develop their minds. We just got done saying, it's the hardest fucking thing you'll ever do in your life. So it deserves the most respect ever. You know what I'm saying? It's harder than running a company. It's harder than doing all that stuff

like that. You know what I'm saying? So it,. And I guess I never thought about it as much as I've been thinking about it now with a three-month-old at home. And I'm going like, fuck. And so it's a real fine dance that I'm dancing right now because I also love my girl and I want her to do what makes her happy. And so I'm like, whatever you want to to do if you want to stay home with them or whatever i'm wanting that and lean towards that but then i also don't want to kill her independence and push her that way but i really do feel like it's it's been this agenda that's being pushed for so long and and i fell right into the trap too of thinking that way because it was an attractive quality but now that i i see things differently being a father now i'm like

fuck man that is such an important and for men it's like it's all about like how many girls you could sleep with how much money you have and flashy and you know the the lone wolf and i'm not tied down and that's really cool oh you're a dad oh fucking you're tied down oh that sucks you can't do whatever you want you can't and and it's just it's crazy it's crazy to me you, being a dad needs to be cool again. You know what I'm saying? Where you, oh, oh, you're a father. Oh, you're fucking good dad. That's the man right there. Like, oh, you're, you're 40 years old. You're not, you know, you, you want to go party and do whatever, but you're not really responsible. Maybe you should become

a little bit more responsible. Maybe there should be a little bit more pressure on that. I'm not saying that, you know, you make your own choices. I get that. But it's been the reverse for so long. You know, dads get made fun of on TV. You know, it's like a shitty job. It's like, no, man, it's fucking the most important thing you'll ever do. It needs to be cool again. And if you're a fucking man and you have a kid and you're not there, you need to have some serious societal pressure. Your buddies need to call you an asshole. A lot of guys don't do that to their buddy. Oh, you got a kid. Oh, you never went through whatever.

Let's go hang out. Let's go to the bar. No, man, you're a piece of shit. Go take care of your kids. You know what I'm saying? I feel like it needs to go back in that direction a little bit. And also just putting it up there. Like, this is the greatest thing you'll ever do.

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