Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #131 Aaron Alexander

Episode Date: December 6, 2019

Aaron Alexander is no stranger to the show. This time around we are discussing breath, self-care, mindfulness and his new book "The Align Method" that's launching later this month.    Connect with Aaron| Website | https://alignpodcast.com/ Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/AlignMovement/ Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/alignpodcast/?hl=en Twitter | https://twitter.com/alignpodcast?lang=en YouTube | https://bit.ly/2meaIEH   Pre Order Aaron's new book https://alignpodcast.com/align-method/ Listen to the Align podcast | https://alignpodcast.com/podcast/   Show Notes| Waking The Tiger by Peter A. Levine | https://amzn.to/31UnZVo Sacred Economics by Charles Eisenstein | http://sacred-economics.com/   Show Sponsors| Butcher Box (Bacon for Life Special) Use codeword Kyle www.butcherbox.com/kyle   Indochino Visit www.indochino.com Use codeword Kyle at checkout for 30%off your total purchase of $399 or more plus free shipping   Fit For Service Mastermind | Open Enrollment Now Open aubreymarcus.com/fitforservice   Onnit  Get 10% off all foods and supplements at Onnit by going to https://www.onnit.com/kyle/   Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on: Website | https://www.kingsbu.com Twitter | https://bit.ly/2DrhtKn Instagram | https://bit.ly/2DxeDrk    Subscribe to the Kyle Kingsbury Podcast iTunes | https://apple.co/2P0GEJu Stitcher | https://bit.ly/2DzUSyp Spotify | https://spoti.fi/2ybfVTY IHeartRadio | https://ihr.fm/2Ib3HCg Google Play Music | https://bit.ly/2HPdhKY

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Thank you guys for tuning in to today's show with my dude, Aaron Alexander. Of course, you know this won't be the last podcast we shared together, but this was a damn good one. Let us know what you think and check out my website, kingsboo.com. Thanks for tuning in. All right. So if you hear pages ruffling, it's just Aaron going through his green book, as I always mentioned, or I had mentioned before, it's kind of akin to Henry, Henry Winkler in the water boy. He's got his playbook with all the special plays yep that red steals from him yep but you still got it you still got your mojo still got it all right so this is actually uh part due i know you've been on the podcast more than two times but

we uh we had some technical difficulties out in venice when I recorded and unfortunately lost fucking five episodes. So I'm in the process of, thankfully, we still got Laird Hamilton, who is hard to reach. Just not because he's not, he's unreachable just because he travels so damn much. But I can get the other ones. And you're in town. So we got this. Back to back champions. I was a bit of a sappy bitch in the last one anyway.

So I think this is, I think it was good think you were great you know but you know what you just you wanted to talk more about the book which is what we're going to do today and of course uh we talk about anything we i want to go down the rabbit hole on everything that's what makes these conversations beautiful darling all right and if you hear ice rumbling i'm sorry i never use ice in my yerba mate but we've got a new lady in the cafe and i'm not gonna blame anybody or name names but all right there's ice in there so let's start this thing forgive us for page turning and ice shaking but it's gonna happen during the podcast you got a fucking brand new book the align method five movement principles there we go for a stronger body sharper mind and stress-proof life.

I love this. This is like your life's work all rolled into one, as many people's first books are. But the stress-proof life, that's the one that stands out to me. Obviously, we know from movement practices how much sharper our mind is, how much more energy we have throughout the day. But the stress-proof life, that's the one that really sticks out because there's a lot of books on biohacking and just different things that will ultimately bring you some degree of happiness and energy and recovery and improve your life. But the stress-proof, how do we get there? Yeah. Well, it feels as though statistically people are going more towards the direction of anxiety and depression and even things like suicidal ideation is way up i don't

know what the exact statistic is but with adolescence in the last 10 years it's going up dramatically um obesity like all this there's a lot of good things happening in the world as well and statistics oftentimes i think it's it's helpful to not get completely mired in statistic obesity, like all this stuff. There's a lot of good things happening in the world as well. And statistics, oftentimes, I think it's helpful to not get completely mired in statistic. There's a Mark Twain quote. He said, there's lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics. So I think that it's easy to paint the world in any color that you want, depending upon what kind of book you're trying to write and what you're trying to convince people. No doubt. I think we talked about Civilize to Death by our buddy, Chris Ryan. And he dives right into that. If you're trying to convince people. No doubt. Oh, I think we talked about civilized to death by our buddy, Chris Ryan. Yeah. And he dives right into that. Like if you're looking through one lens, you can say there's never been a greater time. There's never been a, you know,

more wealthy people. And at the same time, there's never been a greater population that goes without food. There's never been more people on the earth who don't have clean water. There's never been a, this high of obesity. There's never been this high of autoimmune disease. And the list goes on and on. And obviously, Chris tells a very straight to the point tale that pulls no punches. And in the end, he shows you the way out, which I think is fantastic. So it's not just a doom and gloom book. I highly recommend that for people.

But let's dive into your book here and talk about how we build the stronger body, sharper mind, and stress-proof life. Well, so with the stress-proof life, just prefacing with it's not all fire and brimstone um although i did grow up fairly catholic so it's like it's still it's in my my dna to go there um you know but our environment is such that it chronically folds us into positions that if you didn't know what the person was on their cell phone there's that really popular photographer, that image where he, or various images where he took different photographs and he removed the cell phone from people

that are just looking at their phone. And they look super sad, super depressed. Like someone on a subway or a park bench. Yeah, laying with their partner in bed, like all that stuff. So culturally, we look at those people like, oh, cool, like totally normal. They're on their phone.

They're doing their thing. Like, great, awesome. But if you take that phone out, any hunter or hunter gatherer you just didn't see the phone there you'd be like oh man like what's wrong like how can i help you you know and then depression is the number one leading cause of disability worldwide presently it's supposed to be by 2020 but it happened sooner than that um and so the conversation that i see is lacking in all of the different different podcast spheres and such is like the mechanics of depression and the mechanics of anxiety and the mechanics of feeling good and feeling elated and happy and proud and strong. So that's what the book in large part gets into is how we can start to integrate more effective mechanics into literally every aspect of our life so that we can feel better at any moment. Yeah, we talked about that before, kind of how we can reverse engineer. And I don't

like the term fake it till you make it, but Bruce Lipton said it. And he's certainly, I don't think he was the first person to say it, but he's certainly somebody I respect. But we know scientifically we can start to reverse symptoms of sadness if we force a smile and hold it. Yeah. Right? We know through breathwork practices that if we get excited and our heart starts racing and we start breathing quickly or there's anxiety, that type of other form of excitement, and we start breathing quickly, if we pay attention to the breath and slow it down, that can reverse engineer the neurochemistry and the hormonal production within the body. Right? So what you're talking about here is all these things, but also posturally. If you're in the

position of a sad person all day long, that's going to have an impact on your neurochemistry and the way your body physically expresses from the inside out. Yeah, absolutely. And then within that, I think it's really easy to get wrapped up in assuming that you almost having like postural shame, you know, just like anything, you get yourself wrapped up into this double bind where it's like, oh man, like it's not good to not feel good. It's not good to slouch over, to feel defeated for a moment, or to feel sad, or to feel like, fuck it. Like sometimes it's perfectly fine to put yourself into that position. I think feel all the way into the bottom of that so you can actually come out as opposed to always kind of we're talking about like ultra running and all

that yesterday of like always kind of having the devil at your tails I think sometimes I was listening to Graham Hancock and he was talking about psychedelic experience he was like you know when the snake is open in its mouth and he's looking at you, you just jump right in that motherfucker. So I think there's value with that as well, posturally. You don't need to feel shamed to have any, just be where you're at. So the end goal with the book, and that's how I finished the book, is to let go of all these rules and these regulations of how I'm supposed to be. Because as long as you're living in that how I'm supposed to be,

you're always going to be separate from your truest version of yourself. So I don't want it to get stuck in like, okay, you need to be in this upright, what I call the aligned posture all the time. And that'd be weird. It's just different colors on the palette. So that would be more of maybe like a blue or like a purple or something kind of fun. But it's really great to color with browns and blacks and grays and all that. Like it's a gray day outside right now.

It's not a bad thing. And so a lot of these posture books be like, oh, it's a gray day. Okay, earth is failing. It was like, no, it's a gray day. It's cool. Get into it. Yeah, I like that.

And since you brought it up with Graham Hancock, there's been plenty of times where if I start to feel sad in a ceremony, I'll just lean over my puke bucket specifically with ayahuasca or a heroic dose of mushrooms. And I'll just get in that position. And that's what helps me process sadness and pain and let go. Have you felt that? Cause I felt that consistency is consistently that connection of if I'm in a psychedelic experience, my posture will change. And I'm also like, I'm, you know, I've eaten my

own placebo with this. So it would of course be like a kind of like a, in my mind. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. But have you, cause I've noticed that if I'm going into what I would conceive to be like a dark place in quotations, um, and I'm kind of like hunching over and going into that position, I'll notice it'll get, the darkness almost gets faster and deeper. I'm like, Oh, I'm really going in and then I'll have to pull myself out and then maybe take a walk outside or you know just kind of come up and catch my breath and then i'll come back into more of like what feels to be a better state yeah i mean it's there's definitely something to that rogan talked about that a long time ago having a dmt trip where it was really dark and ominous and his his mind was having a lot of

negative thoughts. And then as he shifted into positive thinking, like it had a complete visual change and the feeling in his body changed immediately. Right. So he saw the correspondence between that. And that's something that he refers to, even though he's, I think fairly against, you know, woo woo stuff and, and maybe a little bit less into some of the stuff we're talking about. But I think that you can, you can see that for yourself and it's palpable. And that's what's cool about the direct experience of the psychedelic experience. I'll find myself doing yoga for like the first 30 minutes of any ceremony,

just because wherever there's tension in the body, I breathe through it. And it feels like the plants allow me to connect to my body easier and just unwind any tension. And oftentimes I'll feel something that wants to stick around and needs more attention. And then I can dive into that. And there's usually something there, mental, emotional attached with it. Yeah. It's interesting in the book, I mentioned a specific study from San Francisco University where they took a bunch of students and they had them go into these positions that we're describing right now. And they had them go into the book, it called the MOPI posture, postural archetype. So they go into that book i call it the mopey posture postural

archetype um so they go into that kind of mopey hunched over position and it was easier for them the the students to access more depressive type memories and then when they're going in upright strong proud i call aligned position uh all of a sudden it's easier for them to access more like feel-good memories so there's some some deep primordial connections since you were, you know, I don't know, probably like a single cell organism, um, of where your structure changes to a certain position. It's an indication that, okay, we're winning, we're fed, we're, we're sexed, we're happy, we're, we're supported, we're loved. And then there's another position where, oh God, okay. Everything contracts up, you shrink, you fold your shoulders, you get ready to fight.

And so that's been tapped into our system since the beginning of ever and that even actually kind of hacks our memories in a sense it's pretty darn interesting yeah that's super interesting well let's talk about this we have we have a modern world for it affects everyone even even people in the amazon are affected by it doesn't matter where you where you're at. You're affected by the modern world. Yeah. There's a lot to, and I, and I think I asked you this before. I doubt you've seen it since then,

but for those who have seen Joker, the parallels between that movie and what's going on in modern society are fucking there. It's, it, it was done in a way that that was frightening a lot of people. But I think if you understand that that's how a lot of people experience life. Obviously, not everyone who's taking a grip of pharmaceutical medications for depression and anxiety are going to go out and kill a bunch of people, but

there's a lot of parallels there. I think about a lot of this stuff that we've gotten into from tribe, community, things that have been lost that are hard to retrace our steps to. But it's all internal work. So I think a lot of your book, and obviously I know you cover towards the end, the importance of community and things like that. Point out some of the areas that we're fucking up. Obviously you talked about being in the seated position

all day long on our phones, in the car, on the couch, at dinner, wherever we are, we're in a chair for the most part. I think the biggest thing is repression you know culturally we are repressed to like we were at barton springs yesterday and i was so amazed that girls could take their top off like whoa that must have happened after i left and then with my friend micah that's here now and she's like yeah you could take your top off anywhere in austin or in texas apparently which i don't know it's not like common but it's like

it's not against the law I don't know if that's accurate that's what Micah said that's surprising still in the bible belt yeah exactly maybe it's just awesome I don't know well regardless that's beside the point it's just fascinating to me the amount of shame that we have around this little sector of skin. All of a sudden there's a discoloration. You're like, oh God, like nobody can see that. You know, we kind of shrink up around that. And I think like scoliosis is more common around adolescent girls. You know, so as their chest starts to change shape and blood starts coming out of their body and men are looking at them more as like some prey species, it's like,

it makes sense that they would perhaps want to hide a little bit in that in that moment in time and then structurally what they do is they kind of wrap their spines up into these positions and this isn't fact this is just an idea that i think is interesting but there's a consistent trend that when they're in that time in their life that it would make sense to hide. Posturally, their body starts to go in more of a hiding shape. And then in order to unwind that postural pattern, you can do all sorts of NMTs or chiropractic adjustments or rolfing or whatever. But if you don't tap into that person being proud to be who they are in their body, proud every square inch of their skin. There's nothing to are in their body proud every square inch of their skin there's nothing to

shame in your body it's gonna be really hard to stand in an upright position and be proud and open as you walk down the street especially in the modern culture where it's like well i guess any culture we we kind of i think about do you ever think about that sometimes being a woman and having like i do it when i see a a pretty walking in the room. I like look her all the way up and down every time. Without a doubt. I can't stop. And so there's like a group of males around and one girl walks in every male. I couldn't imagine how that would be like.

Anyways. I think that'd be pretty cool. I think, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's so good. I mean,

is it a good thing? I think that's probably a good thing, right? I think it's embedded, you know, I mean, obviously what happens after that, we'll tell the tale. It's good or bad. I mean, is it a good thing? I think it's probably a good thing, right? I think it's embedded. I mean, obviously, what happens after that will tell the tale if it's good or bad. I'm just saying, I think that initial response is a good response. And the only reason it would be perceived as bad is if something bad happened after that previously. Yeah, and the only thing the reason...

There's a previous experience that created that pattern of, it's not good when people look me up and down. And the likelihood of something bad happening typically would be a product of repression amongst the males yeah you know so if you're a bunch of ticking time bombs volcanoes not the oozy kind but the explosive kind uh because you're just jerking off motion when you said explosive kind no i didn't i'm not sure if it was on purpose it was one pump did i it was one pump well Body language. This is reminding me a lot of Jordan Peterson's 12 Steps to Something Life, but his first step where he talks about the lobsters, how the lobster who wins as a young lobster continues to have the best posture,

and the one who fails will get smaller. And even if it grows back to be bigger because it's young, it'll still lose fights later on when it comes to male territorial stuff because it's embraced that wimpy posture as opposed to the big one. I've noticed just for myself, like being six foot three and you're a tall dude, like you got an inch on me. But walking into rooms or different spaces where I definitely feel like the largest person in the room, I don't necessarily want to like stand up nice and tall and erect with the aligned posture. Cause I just want to fit in and I've, I've caught this. I mean, this was basically from 16 through, I don't know, 30 or 32. And then, you know, in the last five years I've worked on that to not really give a fuck. Yeah. But, um, I find that interesting too like the oh yeah the social

the social embedment of wanting to fit in you know so like i'm not going nobody else is standing up tall so i'm not going to be the guy who stands up tall you know yeah yeah i mean that's something that i i noticed that with regularity notice parts of my own body that I'm ashamed of. You know, it's like my anus. I don't think it's especially attractive. You know, but I'm like, where did I, like, I developed that idea. You know, there's some cultures where they worship the phallus, other cultures where it's really cool to have big tits,

other cultures, like, depending upon your cultural indoctrination, that dictates your perception of your own body which is very fascinating the the uh something i wanted to to mention in relation to the previous repression stuff is there's a a guy called peter levine wrote a book called awakening the tiger i feel like i might have talked to you about this before um and in that he has a really and i actually describe actually describe it in my book as well, a beautiful description of the way that animals in nature, they have trapped, repressed emotions, and then they let them out. The moment would be a lion attacks a zebra, for example. All of a sudden, that's like a lot of emotion and a lot of sensation, a lot of fear and a lot of, ah! The zebra is doing everything it can to

get out. And eventually, it can go into this state of immobilization, where its nervous system essentially just shuts down, because it's like, okay, I've been caught. There's nothing I can do. I should just, the safest thing for me to do right now is just shut down. Same thing like a cat and a mouse. You see a bird fly into a window. It conks out and just lays there and kind of like gathers its bits for a while and then eventually it goes back into this kind of convulsive kind of shaking sensation and it wiggles its feathers out and wiggles its you know if it's a zebra wiggles its legs out and shakes his face over a little bit and then okay and then it runs out into nature you know and so that moment of shaking itself out that's like it

looks a lot like weird things you see it maybe like an ecstatic dance thing or maybe you'd see in some type of breathwork ceremony or maybe it's like a psychedelic ceremony wild wild country you know like the kundalini practice all that yeah yeah yeah so that's what they're doing is they're trying to jump start those systems that have been a part of our physiology since the beginning of ever you know so you can there's all sorts of different tools which i have some of them in the book um of ways that we can start to tap into that that deeper mammalian reptilian self to let go of some of that trap trauma so you can step out just for a moment of this story of okay i am kyle kingsbury father of bear husband of tosh you know dude it on it that does

cool shit like this is like i drive this car i got this truck and then i got this oh you can protect yourself within that story and then there's a whole other layer that's actually running all the things that kind of caused you to purchase these items and these clothes and arrive you in this position and choose this wife. So we have access to tools to tap us, to get us underneath our own hood. Yeah, you can start to pull the curtain back. It reminds me of trauma release therapy. Have you heard of that?

Yeah. Yeah, like they purposely put you in a state where you will shake. And it's a simple position. I think you can look at it. I'm sure you can just google it and look it up it's not a doctor thing your legs are splayed open yeah your legs are splayed open almost like butterfly position while you lay on your back and you do like guided breath work and just start letting the legs shake you like hold them halfway up yeah so they will start to tremble and then you allow the tremble to take place yeah we need that stuff man and so the, where it gets weird is, and weird is actually a good word. So I kind of retract that weird as a,

it's an old English word, W Y R D. It means, it means fate. So it means to be originally meant to be in control of one's fate. So if you're not weird, you're probably just a part of the pack, walking themselves off the cliff. So like it's in your to be cheap be weird it's in your favor to be weird um but culturally it's pretty darn strange that probably has a great meaning as well if you look at the etymology of it um to shake yourself out you know or to have a face twitch for a second or like if your mask this biological mask i got that that term from wednesday martin the last podcast we did um if that starts to go funny for a second i.e like orgasm yeah you know you know that wasn't a very good orgasm phase but nonetheless like if you go in that wasn't a very good orgasm sound either i hope that's how you

i usually weep I usually weep. Yeah, that wouldn't be weird at all. I have a weepy orgasm. But if you do that in public, it's pretty darn unacceptable. What is acceptable, though, is if you stuff your face back into your cell phone, if you zip your tie back up and get tight and organize yourself,

if you just get all your lines, right. Okay. Okay. I'm back. It's like a bill burn. His latest comedy special. And he's like,

no, no, no. That ain't just rising up. Let's stuff it back down. And he pushes it back down. You know, it's just,

it's a little high. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a, it's an interesting, and we've talked about this before as well. The,

the, if you are willing to put yourself into some of those like natural biological states in public it's gonna be very strange uh but in a sense you're kind of a like a revolutionary or a pioneer you know and that you're saying like listen this, this is what my biology is doing. I'm going to do it, you know, and I'm just going to, this is if you guys have judgment or something like that, that's fine. But what that potentially, and it doesn't need to be that you're shaking out. It could just be like you're being honest with somebody. You're like speaking your truth, you know, but by you doing that all of a sudden, at first it's painful and scary, but then eventually it opens the door for everybody else to start doing the same thing. We were at that dinner thing that I threw in LA, whatever that was, two weeks ago, three weeks ago, something like that.

And in the beginning, I had had everybody circle up. And there's probably like, I don't know how many, like almost 30 of us, fucking Chuck Liddell, various amazing human beings in the lineup of folks. And we're having everybody breathe into each other's ribs, having eye contact, looking at each other. Then we start breathing and huffing and puffing. And then on the way out, we kind of slowly led people into screaming as loud as they possibly could you know so while hitting the forward fold and still holding each other's ribs holding each other's ribs man and you know if we just jumped straight to that like people were taking their hey welcome

like it wouldn't work out so well. But gradually we move them into that. And then the other side of that, us just staring at each other, screaming like animals, is really deep connection. Yeah. And it's, I mean, like there's no question

for not everyone joined in on the screaming. Some people kept their mouth shut. I can't believe that. I thought everybody was screaming. I wish you didn't tell me. I was paying attention because I wanted to know, you know, I mean, there was a lot wish you didn't tell me. I was paying attention because I wanted to know. You know, I mean, there's a lot of people there that I respect.

A lot of people who are, you know, very high up in whatever field that they're doing. You know, like Mark Sissons. There's a lot of, I mean, we could name drop all day long, but there are some fucking awesome people. I named Chuck Liddell intentionally because he was my childhood hero. He was like my, I played video games. I was Chuck. So then when I was screaming with Chuck, I'm like, all right. Yeah. I'm very excited. Chuck's phenomenal. And same with his wife, Heidi. But, uh, you know, like, I think one of those things is sure. It's weird. There's no doubt. There's no doubt. It's weird. But when it's done,

I felt legitimately high. I felt high. I had energy. And I told you beforehand that like, it's funny. Cause like you, I don't know how you coaxed everyone into going. You did, you work some magic, you know, like you, you were able to get everybody to show up and quite a few awesome people were there. Everyone was awesome that went there, but, um, I was super tired. I had just done a really hard workout at Gabby and Laird's place, more name drops and some podcasts. And I was was fucking spent it's like a whole week of doing this in California and I just really wanted to sleep but I was like nah let me show up for a little bit I'll drive my own car and if I need to I can leave early after that I had a fucking second wind yeah man right when did three minutes in the ice bath at

32 degrees like I was fucking balling central governor central governor theory yeah it was phenomenal right and I think that's that's one of the key ingredients when you think of people like Wim Hof where they say feeling is believing, right? Like these practices that you mentioned in the book from breath work to body position to all these things, they make you feel different very quickly. It's not like, hey, in 10 years, you're going to get it. It's like, no, right now you'll get it. Yeah. Another interesting tool that we have a whole chapter in the book about sight, the way that you can start to leverage sight as a tool for your own fitness and wellness. I had Andrew Huberman, who you've had on here, I think multiple times. Yeah, a couple of times now. He's like, in the world of, I don't know,

I don't know what that world is even called. Vision, biology, therapy. Do you know what the term is? What is it? What's his title? I don't know. He is, you know, a neuroscientist and he's got the human lab at Stanford and he's studying all sorts of shit. I mean, his studies vary. It's funny. I know where you're going to go with this and I'll circle back to it in a second, but I haven't even brought up the visual stuff that he's working on. He's working on carrying blindness. He's really deep in that field. we've just been talking about things i don't know how many blind people listen to the show obviously the podcasts are good for blind people yeah um but uh you know we talk about some of the studies that he's doing where he's looking at

people with things anything from mild anxiety to ptsd know, and he's working on different VR programs, hypnosis, breath work, and he's studying all that and how that changes brain chemistry and allows you to sleep better and let go of negative thinking and all that shit. So he's dialed the fuck in. Yeah, I'm on board. He's my hero in that world. I'm looking for him to do a podcast with him this month, actually. I'm just like, I'm in awe of the depth that he's going in that direction i'm very grateful that you know a large part of that chapter was based off of his work um and so he was kind enough to review the chapter and and you know kind of give it like that all right this is cool this is great um but within that you know we don't think we think of fitness as muscle ups

pistol squats bicep curls tricep kickbacks like that's like our my previous concept of fitness as muscle ups, pistol squats, bicep curls, tricep kickbacks. That's my previous concept of fitness. But that fitness, like right now we're doing fitness. This conversation is an expression of fitness. The way that you're sitting in that chair, the way that you're breathing, the way that you're looking or not looking at me or looking out the window. All of that has one-to-one effects on your hormonal system, on your whole physiology. So you can start to tap in to, as you're working out, perhaps something that you could do, you could start stacking layers and say, maybe I'll work out outside. That way I can look out into the trees and out into the distance.

As I'm working, I'm doing a meeting. Okay, let's make sure that we do the meeting. Either ideally, let's just walk outside. There's a whole chapter about the value of walking. But if walking isn't an option, let's at least open a window. Ideally, let's open the window all the way if that's possible so we can let that full spectrum of light come in and we're not just blocking out

half of the spectrum with the window. So we can start to stack those variables and just leveraging site. Realize that every time you're looking down at your phone, you're literally putting yourself into more of an executive function, fight, flight, get up in Adam's state. So if you come back and you're stressed out and your way of unwinding is looking at Instagram updates, you're actually just digging yourself deeper into that stress pit. So what you really need to do is you need to put the fucking phone down

and look up at some trees. Look up at a cloud. You could go blurring your vision is another really nice option. So if you're in that myopic, close, staring down at the... Wednesday Martin said another thing. She said it's like you're looking at the... You're trying to shoot the Instagram post in between the eyes you know so you're like reptilian mammalian self's like okay I'm focusing in I'm pulling the bow back you know all my attention is in that point the opposite of what you could do is blur your vision you know so

if you're a person that's really focused, really stressed, really type A personality, play with just kind of letting your eyes kind of go glazing, let yourself go into more of that blur and then emphasize that breath out as you're doing that. It's an immediate tool that you have access to literally right now as you're driving your car. Well, maybe don't blur your vision during that, but emphasize that breath out as you're driving your car. If you're feeling a little stressed before a meeting,

whatever it may be, start to leverage sight, look out into the distance. And then another thing that I'm starting to get into is leveraging breath. But we always have this whole palette of tools that we can access for our fitness and for our wellness and our well-being. But typically what we think of as fitness, wellness, well-being is wind sprints and more time on the treadmill. It's so much bigger than that. Yeah, for sure. When you first talked to me about that, the nearsightedness, obviously it's an issue,

but also just our focal point. If we were foraging and we found an edible mushroom or some nettle that we were going to use for harvest, we'd look, we'd say, okay, we'd recognize it and we'd pick it, but we wouldn't stay fixed on it. Yep, exactly. So the only things we stay fixed on are predators or really shitty situations where we have to be very mindful of that. So if we fixate on something near to us, like a hawk.

Or a shark. Yeah. Hopefully, we are hunting that thing that we're fixed on, and it's not the opposite effect. But you can see why that would dial us in and crank up all that neurochemistry in a way that can be helpful at times but if it's done chronically which it is now it's a big issue yeah and what's cool about that expansiveness like i mean some of my best ceremonies have been on a mountain in sedona you know where i can just see for fucking miles in all directions right yeah and i just think

about that like uh how important that is for me and you know they have you know obviously we've we we kind of laugh at the forest bathing term you know that they're studying now in japan but uh i think aubrey talked about it in his book and it's it's in the book unplugged with dr andy galpin and brian mckenzie is that in Japan, where they have a very high suicide rate, if they went for a 30-minute walk in nature three days a week, and I think I'm getting that right, it might be five days a week, but if they went for this 30-minute walk in nature, they had a 60% reduction in all-cause depression. But if they went for that same walk in the city, they wouldn't have the same results. Now, Austin's usually always green. It rains a lot. It's gorgeous. And I do this one

mile walk around on it multiple times a day. Sometimes I'll walk 10 miles in a fucking day, listening to Audible or meditating. And what's cool is even though there's cars and exhaust and people honking and construction and all that kind of shit, there's a lot of trees and there's always the sky. There's always clouds. Even on a blue, sunshiny day, there's some clouds I can stare out at, right? And that to me, now that you mentioned all this, I think is really what shifts my mood. You know, moving is great. And a lot of times, and I've mentioned this, I know a ton of times before, if people have trouble sitting still, that's what yoga was invented for. The physical practice of yoga is one of four

practices in order to allow us to be still right and I think walking is tremendous it's tremendous for me but it's also because I'm not walking and looking at my fucking cell phone even if I'm listening to audible that's in my fanny pack and I'm staring off into space looking at different things taking it

all in watching birds looking at crickets coming in we had a we had like a cricket migration where they come in and mate all the way from Austin to New Braunfels. And it's awesome. They're fucking everywhere. There's just like hundreds of thousands of them all over, you know, singing during the day, like they're inescapable, but it's cool because you just feel connected to nature. You know, you know what happens to those, to grasshoppers. I know, I know that, you know know this. The grasshoppers can turn to locusts or specific species, but unless they start off as grasshoppers, and then when food becomes short, they come from, say, like an agricultural age like this one where you have an abundance of food. If all of a sudden that gets short and they get put close up to each other and they start rubbing each other and

perturbating each other's sides for i think it's like five hours i saw a youtube video perturbating explain it to me perturbating over my head oh it's just like agitating okay you know all right yeah imagine like if i'm like tickling your balls that would be pleasant but if there's a hundred people in a room doing that i might get freaked out perturbating okay smacking them around anyways probably have to cut that part out um no edits no fucking edits so locusts locusts so if you start perturbating we start having to you know rub up against each other and and be in those close confined states stacked up on top of each other. I'm kind of describing a city. All of a sudden, their physiology completely transforms

and the shape of their head changes and their thorax and they become cannibalistic and they just become these like jerks. And then you see a similar thing, not necessarily that people become locusts, but you see when people go into cities, they start talking a lot faster. And then when you're walking down the street, it becomes a lot easier to walk over that homeless person or just, you know, someone drops their thing or someone's maybe getting mugged or something's weird. You're like, oh, somebody else to take care of it. In a small town, it doesn't work like that. In a small town, it's like, I'm looking out

for you, you're looking out for me. You know's just interesting, a quote from Einstein that I mentioned to you before is the field contains and regulates the particle. So it's like we think that we're these isolated separate particles, but in reality, we are the field. There's no separation. So you can start to tap in, another chapter section in the book is being able to tap into your environment augment your environment because you are your environment you know it's not oh i'm gonna get you know i'm gonna put my desk near the window or i'm gonna start spending more time sitting on the ground i'm gonna get some floor cushions or a comfy rug or whatever because it's like you know it might be good for my hips like no it's gonna change your whole perspective on the world man you know if you start to shift your posture and shift the way that you look,

the sounds that you hear in your environment, the amount of contact that you have in your day-to-day, I'm kind of just pointing out different specific sections in there. It doesn't just do the, what is it, the sum is greater, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Your environment shapes you. Those specific points, those specific variables, they aggregate into much more than the individual to start.

That was kind of a rambling thought. I was excited about the grasshoppers. Yeah, I was thinking about grasshoppers. Was that in Civilized to Death? It's all over the place, but he did mention them in Civilized to Death. And then another great book, Sacred Economics. You turned me on to that charles eisenstein highly recommend it we'll link to it in the show notes i'm about halfway through it it's one of my fucking favorites and i always i always love that because like i you're one of my closest friends

and i appreciate the fuck out of you but when somebody else who's on the path of learning and growth says you have to read this book. I'm like, fuck yes, right now, purchased. And it's insane. But what reminded me of that book was as you were talking about this ideation we have around our separateness from nature. We're not. That even goes into, it's fucking everywhere. It's in every system. It's in our economy. It's in all this shit, but it's also in Western medicine. And that's the big thing that grossed me out in listening to David Sinclair on Rogan's, who's the lifespan guy. And I'm highly appreciative of people like him in the world because they're going to figure out certain things that have to do with extending lifespan and longevity. That's all great. But it's the idea that a lot of these scientists

have that we can beat nature. We can master it. We can figure it out. And this is the same thing, you know, from, from, uh, it's parts of the tech sector where we're going to be able to take our consciousness and put it into machines,

like fucking die, die, transition to the next thing. You're not going anywhere. Let your fucking consciousness go somewhere else for a while and experience that. Don't fuck. How fucking boring would it be to hang out in some fucking uh computer generated virtual reality or even if you could go into a some type

of robot and hang out here on earth if you were immortal it would suck yeah you'd be the shittiest that would be hell yeah you'd watch everyone you love die i think it's interesting that those belief systems from the scientific model that we're entrenched in are pretty darn acceptable and pretty cool but the idea of someone having some experience with an entity or some voice you know that your inner the greek daemon like the inner voice inside of you speaking to you guiding your life is like that person needs to be locked up yeah people even fucking freak out about intuition they're like what the fuck is intuition you You know, like, it's like, well, yeah, you, maybe you don't get it if you, if you have been closed off from that part of you, but it does exist. Yeah. Right. With the,

the Charles Eisenstein stuff, something I'm glad that you brought that up because it's a topic that I want to understand deeper. Um, but I think it's it's really interesting the way that our how entrenched we are in the our our financial system you know and it's like i was doing a uh interview with paul check and he was talking about how like you can't get away from christianity like it's so deeply entrenched in your culture it's entrenched in the you know just everything from the from the drop like you can say like, oh, I'm this or that, but nonetheless, like the culture that you're raised in, the cup that you're in is based off of that. You know, in our financial system, it's a similar thing. Like

since you were a little, you know, fetus, pre-fetus, like you've been in this financial system where it's, we're rewarded for presently, for the most part, it can shift. And I think it is shifting in small ways. But you're rewarded for destroying resources, for destroying natural resources. So I was having this metaphor pop up from the other day of like, if someone came to your house, a neighbor came over and was like, hey, dude, your yard is a little shabby. I'd like to kind of spruce it up. And so here's what I want to do. I want you to lend me $10,000. I'm going to go out. I'm going to buy these rocks and get new grass and trees and all this stuff. I'm going to fix it up. It's going to be beautiful. It's going to increase the value of your house by

probably $60,000. So just give me this $10,000, fix it up. It's only going to take me a month and it's going to hook up the whole neighborhood. You'd be like, yes, like amazing. Yeah, absolutely. Like you care about the neighborhood. I love that. Let's do that. Culturally, if you do that to the bank and you say, hey, I'm going to go to the bank, like, hey, man, I need, I need, you know, $100,000. I want to take care of these woods. You know, I got this plot of land. I want to just make it beautiful. I want to introduce new fungus, mycoforestry is the thing I recently learned about. I want to make it great. I want to help the earth. The bank's like, I don't give a shit unless you can pay me back 20% on top of that or whatever it is. The analogy with the person, if they came to your

house, your neighbor comes over and says, hey, listen, I want to borrow $10,000 and I want to dig this big nasty hole in your front yard. I want to destroy your whole fucking front yard. And we're going to get some of this rock substance that we've deemed valuable as a culture. I'm going to pull it out. I'm going to sell it. And then I'm going to come back. I'm going to pay you $14,000 in a month. Do you want to do it? You'd be like, no, you're going to fucking ruin my yard. You're going to ruin the neighborhood. What are you talking about? But the present banking system is set up that it's like, yeah, cool. Sweet. I'll get that extra $4,000. Okay, cool. We're in. So if we can somehow start to shift the model in such a way that we praise each other for

helping each other and helping ourselves and taking care of the forest and taking care of the roads and picking up trash just because, like if there was some way to reward that person that walks down the street and just picks up trash, but presently that doesn't exist. So we walk over the trash and we go make money. Yeah. I think about that. I think about that. And obviously I'm only halfway through the book and the book is a lot, a lot around gift economy. And that's something that I first experienced at Burning Man. And for people who haven't been, I understand like tired of the Burning Man stories. I get it. But to be in a place where there is no money exchange. And if you ask for something, you're highly likely to get it maybe not from the first person you ask but somebody will deliver what you want or need and in return you either give them back something

of yours or you pay the gift to somebody else but they know in the act of giving that that is reciprocal that on the playa they will the gift will be returned to them in one form or another and that's really cool because that is you know as, as Chris gets through in Civilize to Death, that is the hunter-gatherer way. It is the idea that you will trade and you'll give things and you just move that around. It's in full circle. You're always giving and in the turn of that, you're always receiving. I don't know how you quantify that. I think in a way, it's almost, I don't know,

unless you're doing it, it depends what the intention is. If you're doing it for virtue signaling to say like, Hey, I'm the fucking great guy. I'm the one that cleans up this neighborhood, you know, then you can be an asshole about it.

But I eat me on a podcast. We did talk about that in the last one. You clean up a Santa Monica beach, three pieces a day. And I clean up, I clean up my daily walk, not, not every day, but every now and then I'll get bare some gloves and we'll go pick up trash around the neighborhood. Um, I think it's almost better though. It's not better because of the way,

uh, you know, there's no reward for doing good things, but if you can create that internal reward, then it is good. Right. So like, I think with regard to picking up trash and being a good person and being kind and leading with your heart and all that shit, the reward is in and of itself, right? And that's the idea behind the gift giving. It's not with the intention of, well, I know I'm going to get mine coming back to me and it's going to be at least as good, if not better. If you take that out of it and it's just the act of the gift itself, I want to give this gift to you. If that's the only thing you're going for in that exchange, that's where there's the fucking real medicine, right? And the

same thing goes for being kind. It's not like, well, if I'm kind to Aaron, then at least one other person will be kind to me. That's the way the world works. Well, not necessarily, right? But if I want to be kind just for the sake of being kind that's a really fucking good quality to have but the thing is is that is the way the world works you know like if if you your relationships is the most valuable form of currency that you have access to like we've been duped into believing that financial currency is the thing but that shit's fluctuating you know like at any day we get the call the memo from Trump or whoever like, oh, sorry, American currency just dropped like three quarters. So that money that you thought was worth this much, now it's a quarter of that. And we don't know what direction it's going from here. So if you have been burning your relationships for the last 25 years in the name of creating

currency, and then all of a sudden you're setting yourself up for that. You'd have to have some degree of underlying subconscious anxiety if you're putting all of your marbles into that because inherently, it has no legs. It has no support. But relationships, no matter what the fuck happens to society, if you have relationships and people really care about Kyle Kingsbury because he helps the tribe, no matter what, you're good. And also, by the way, you'll get more currency. Whatever the model that we're operating in, you'll be abundant in that. So if currency shifts to all of a sudden Mountain Valley bottles, that's gold. Kyle Kingsbury will have more Mountain Valley spring water bottles because people want to give him those bottles because they want him around

no but i think that we're duped we don't really get taught about relationships and i don't do we get taught about relationships in school is that even i don't think so relationship building even even that's the thing man that's it that's one of its there's a lot of that there's a lot of it yeah there's a lot of it for sure we need a class i think we were so we were on environment um we talk about talk about how you model a perfect environment and i know i've mentioned this before but we got you know 100 square feet of mma mats in our living room oh yeah and we've had them since we lived in my mom's garage which was the first time i met you came and stayed down with us for a couple days while you're moving to santa mon And that's something I will, obviously I may end

up for having to replace those at some point, but there will, they will be in every house I have until the day I die because it's an invitation for us to get on the floor. It's an invitation for us to wrestle or do jujitsu or do yoga, or just fucking hang out and stretch. We play all of our board games there. We play Uno with Bear. We play Roomie Cube. It's always on that fucking mat. And it's because it's right there in the center of the living room, right? It's accessible. It's convenient. And I walk across it wherever I go. If I'm going to bed, I walk across the mat. If I'm going to the kitchen, I walk back across the mat. The mat is always there. It's the center piece of the whole fucking house. So it's so easy to access that. Yeah. So one thing that's interesting, your feet have 7,000 nerve endings distributing information

of what's happening in your environment all the time. And it's like reflexology and all that stuff. It's good for you to have that adaptation and that stimulation. So being barefoot and having various different contoured surfaces in your environment is a really big deal for creativity, for health, longevity. So it's a good idea to start doing that. The other thing is making it so that your visual field has those health-inducing variables present all the time. So throwing a pull-up bar in between the doorway is a really big deal. Every time you walk through the door, you do a little swing thing. Now all of a sudden, you're mobilizing your shoulders, you're opening up lung capacity, you're even mobilizing the

tissue around your heart. Your organs aren't just these isolated things that live in a vacuum. Your movement is massaging your organs. That's what contralateral motion is. Walking. As you're walking, you can think of yourself, it's almost like you're twisting out the rag that is your internal viscera. So if you have organ issues, maybe go for a walk. And also, along with that, maybe do all the other things. Pay attention to your breath.

Look out into the distance. Pay attention to soothing sounds. It's going to calm your autonomic nervous system. And so you can go into more of like a rest, digest, heal type place. With putting something like mats on the floor is genius. You know, if you have a family and you give a shit about yourself or your kids or your, you know, anybody that comes into your home, by inviting them to make that journey down to the ground, you're tapping them back into, again, into their primordial roots. That's where you've come from since the beginning of ever. And so, since chairs, like Egyptian times, you have like royalty sitting in chairs and it's diamonds and gold and

the disease of affluence, affluenza. You go into that position where you're sitting hunched up in the chair, you're standing hunched up in the chair you know you're standing over other people while all the all the peasants are sitting on the ground mobilizing their hips and their knees and their ankles and circulating fluids and moving lymphatic fluid and you know doing all the things that naturally heals their body um that king i.e now all of us you know we're aspiring to be those kings sitting up in the you know the range rover or the chair all day at the office in front of the fancy computer uh they get sick you know so the the the key is to start to bring change your visual field you know you need to put

those things in front of you that causes your like lubricates your trip down to the floor it's not this thing where i have to i have to sit in my, drive to the gym in order to like do some hip stretching. You know, if you just put that mat down there, all of a sudden you're going to go through that whole range of motion on a regular basis. And in the book, I recommend 30 minutes a day, which is low, like very low. But nonetheless, if you just do that 30 minutes a day, it's going to be, you know, it's going to potentially, for one thing, it's going to prevent you from having fall risk as an elderly person, which is the number one leading reason that elderly need assisted living. So if you give a shit about your kids even, for you to be a burden

when you're 85 years old because you can't get up off of the ground, now all of a sudden you have to reach out you have to have a red button or a cell phone nearby because daddy fell down and you can't get up life alert life alert yeah you know like that's real shit you know and it's like me thinking about my parents in that situation like it like literally brings a tear to my eye you know i had that moment recently where i was like oh yeah you're going on the floor mobilizing hips all that stuff and then in another interview i was i was talking about like and like really visualizing like my mom you know going down to the ground and not being able to get up you know it's like fuck man yeah you know and when while we have access to our legs and to our hips

and to you know all of our parts we need to use them or we will lose them you know and what culture has done is it's sold us the opportunity to outsource all of our movement uh and then it you know so we're paying for movement essentially you know that's the model and then eventually we lose that then we're dependent on that and then a small group of people get wealthy and then, you know, everyone else gets sick. Damn. Well, what else we got in here? What else we got in the green book?

That was awesome. That was damn awesome. Yeah. I don't know. All sorts of good shit, man. Touch is a really important thing. Yeah. Yeah.

That was something we talked about before. I think at the party was, I was something we talked about before. I think at the, at the party was, I was talking to Amanda Bucci, who's, Amanda Bucci. I love saying her name like that. She's, you know,

she's got quite a following on Instagram. A lot of her, a lot of what she does, she teaches people how to grow their Instagram following and build, build businesses through social media. And she's just, I mean, that's what she does.

It's not who she is, obviously. She's fucking amazing. She's an amazing person. I was totally drawn to her. I really enjoyed talking with her. And totally forgot where I was going with this. Touch. We just talked touch.

Yeah, so I was talking about this post. Community, bringing them together. At one of the events that Aubrey threw in Santa Monica, I was pretty spent and I'm just kind of sitting on a bench and you just come up behind me and just start digging your elbow in. Oh, we have a picture of that. I posted an image on the Instagram about monkeys grooming each other. Yeah, you talked about that grooming and the need for physical touch. And like, I'm just sitting there, eyes closed, like melting into your elbow. And it's so much more critical than just scheduling a massage once a month.

I think about that too. I think about families that really don't have that. I think of, I've certainly mentioned some of the ways that, some of the things I didn't appreciate about my childhood on different podcasts that I've worked through in plant medicines, but there was a lot that I did appreciate. And one of those things was that both my parents were very loving and they showed that affection through touch. My dad would wrestle. He'd play when I had growing pains, he'd massage my legs. He'd give me a

massage anyways, just like pre-football, post-football games, things like that. And my mom's just a big love ball. She would always hold us and we'd snuggle while we watch movies. And if we're at the theaters, we lift the arm up and just cuddle in next to each other to watch. So I always had that. And I think for me, it's just something that I kind of knew. It's almost like this is water. Like I hadn't paid attention to it because I was unaware, but then I would recognize that as I grew older, like I'd want to hug somebody and they'd kind of feel like, uh, that was weird. You know? And it's like, is it, is it, it's not weird to me, but it's weird for a lot of people who don't have that. Yeah. Right. But talk about that because that's, that's like a huge piece. And I know, you know,

I've mentioned the five love languages is a great book. What people misunderstand about that book is that you're primarily trying to, to find out what your top three love languages are, whether that's touch, gift-giving, acts of service, quality time, and whatever the fifth one is. Blow jobs. Yeah. But you think about those things and you're like, oh, I'm a touch person, or oh, I'm quality time, or I'm definitely acts of service. You show me love by doing the laundry and vacuuming the house and doing the dishes. It's all a sliding scale, right?

And that doesn't nullify anyone from having touch as a love language. And I wonder if people who, say, have acts of service, if that was just a program. Like they saw their dad show their mom love by doing yard work and doing the dishes and making dinner each night. So that's how daddy showed mommy love. And now that's the way I receive love. Right. And I wonder if people have touch at number in the number five position because they didn't receive it when they were a kid. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't know too many people that do have touch on the number five position when I asked. She didn't, she didn't have it, you know, her number one's touch and she definitely didn't get that kind of,. I think most people at an organism level,

I think touch would be at least top two. I think if you have some... But I don't know. I haven't asked enough people. But most people that I hang out with, they're like, oh, touch, touch, touch. But I'm in a touch culture, so the bubbles that I live in are different.

But yeah, man. I mean, touch is... There's the Romanian orphanages is an interesting example of when kids, this happened in the late 80s, there was an excess of Romanian orphans, there was like the dictator was doing all sorts of weird stuff or causing, they were saying you can't use birth control, and they wanted to create as many humans as possible, and it all fell apart, and then we have all these kids. And during that time, there weren't enough caretakers to contact the babies and they just literally stopped growing.

And they have all these emotional disorders growing up and it's like not getting that signal. Touch is essentially the primary signal that you're cared for, you're loved, you're supported, you're accepted. If someone gets me a new watch or something like that it's like cool like i feel that like i guess you got me a gift you know it feels good you care for you paid for it um but if you don't give me the watch and give me a hug it's gonna feel weird you know and weird not in like the control of your own fate way but we're kind of like oh

interesting like what is this some kind of transaction you know but touch it's like no like i'm exchanging you like we're like i'm breathing you in you know in hawaii they call haole's or white people uh so i moved out there when i was 18 lived out there for like five years and so i was a minority in hawaii which is exciting um just as like a learning experience and so i was a haole and haole means without breath and so when the white man came to hawaii they instead of breathing each other in like i'm describing now so they'd go up and do like this little like eskimo kiss where they breathe each other's air in exchange each other you know i am you you are me there's no separation like come in um you know so we have that connection that's an indication of full

acceptance you know and getting a gift you're not breathing somebody in with a gift and so that's that sensation of being the primary thing that most people maybe just me have fear of is not being loved and not being enough you know so for you to reach out and hold somebody it's like a pretty strong indication that no i do love you i do care like you are enough it's really important fuck yeah brother anything else you want to toss in there that's i don't know man buy the book there's that get it the align method it's that. Get it. The Align Method. It's available right now on pre-sale. It launches when? December 24th. So if you pre-order it now, whenever

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