Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #142 Darin Olien

Episode Date: February 10, 2020

Darin Olien Superfood Hunter & Formulator, Founder and visionary of SuperLife, is often called “the Indiana Jones of superfoods.” He is a widely recognized exotic superfoods hunter, supplement formulator, and environmental activist who travels the planet discovering new and underutilized medicinal plants. On this episode we jump into a number of superfoods, his book SuperLife and his work with indigenous people.   Connect with Darin: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/superlifeliving/?hl=de Twitter - https://twitter.com/superlifeliving YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi7JXoAdBwdpIDmu91pPMrQ   Show Notes: Buy Darin's Book SuperLife - https://www.amazon.com/SuperLife-Simple-Healthy-Eternally-Awesome/dp/0062297198 Baruka Nuts - https://bit.ly/38qFLUp     Check Out:  Kyle's Inner Circle Course (Private 1 on 1 Coaching) https://www.kingsbu.com/inner-circle   Natasha Kingsbury's E book (30 recipes)   Purchase for $5 at https://www.kingsbu.com   Show Sponsors: Barukas  https://bit.ly/38qFLUp (use codeword Kyle at checkout)     OneFarm Formally (Waayb CBD) www.onefarm.com/kyle (Get 15% off using code word Kyle at checkout)   Sated Keto Shakes  https://sated.com/kyle  use codeword Kyle for 20% Off Storewide    AMP Human PR Lotion www.amphuman.com/kyle (for 20% off)     Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on: Website | https://www.kingsbu.com/ ( Supplement List & Newsletter)   Get 10% off at Onnit by going to https://www.onnit.com/podcast/   Subscribe to Kyle Kingsbury Podcast iTunes | https://apple.co/2P0GEJu Stitcher | https://bit.ly/2DzUSyp Spotify | https://spoti.fi/2ybfVTY  

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the show with my buddy, Darren Olean. He is known as the superfood hunter and wrote a book that I read a few years back called Super Life, which is absolutely fantastic. I've heard him first on the Ben Greenfield Fitness Show and had a chance to meet him and get to know him out at the XPT event I did a few years back with Gabby Reese and Laird Hamilton, one of many awesome people that I met there. And Darren is a guy who I continue to train with and chat with and really just learn from. He's a fantastic human. He's also the most yoked vegan I've ever met. I think on his 46th birthday, he did 10 pull-ups with a hundred pound weight vest on, which is something I can't do now at 37. So all that to say, I've learned a lot from this guy

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That's barucas.com slash Kyle. And you'll be able to try some of the healthiest nuts in the world that taste fantastic, have a full spectrum of amino acids, some really good prebiotic fiber, and a whole host of micronutrients. And you're going to learn more about them right now. Thanks for tuning in. I love y'all. Let me know how the show goes via kingsboo.com since I'm off social media and we can still communicate there. There's our sound clap. We're rocking and rolling for round two with Darren Oli and round one gone to the ethers. Never to be heard of again. Never.

Private conversation. Yeah. One-on-one. Well, let's see if I can rehash as much of the gems that we had in our first conversation. For those listening now wondering why the first one never came out, I had used a different piece of recording equipment on my last trip to LA and was re-recording over each episode that I did. Each fresh one re-recorded over the last one. And the only one I kept was Laird Hamilton's, which is a pretty good one to have considering how many times he's out of town. Right.

And busy and out on the ocean. Uh-huh. But this was great. Gave me another opportunity to get to hang with you. We got another workout in at Gabby and Larry's place and now I get to see the compound. Yeah. The new location. For sure. Well, let's, I think, you know, let's just jump right into what life was like for you growing up on the farm being connected to nature and kind of what led you on the path to become the superfood hunter oh gosh um well i i um uh without going all the way back but um you know i was a premature kid so uh three and a half pounds uh my My impetus of life was very intense, meaning that I had a 50-50 chance

of surviving. And so I had a bunch of physical issues straight away. They were like, is his brain developed? Is his lungs developed? His thyroid has issues? There was a lot of things. I had a resting heart rate at eight years old of 120 beats per minute upon waking. So there was a lot of stuff. And that choice became something to where working towards what I want and being clear started then. And really, my dad filled in the gaps of that not being conscious of me, but really my father seeing me early in life struggling with physical issues and things like that, and then being hit with something and then having to get myself up and strive anyway. So at 13 years old, I picked up my first, I saw in the Minneapolis Star and Tribune, a cleanse. It was going through the fads of cleanses, and it was a grapefruit cleanse. And so I did that at 13 in the middle of Minnesota. And it was the first time making a dietary change because I was pounding six bottles of Coke a day as a kid

with crazy thyroid and just all over the place. So medicating with sugar and stimulants was something I was doing straight away. And I come from an addictive family. My father ultimately passed away from alcohol. And so that was what I was doing to kind of normalize myself. So when I did the grapefruit cleanse, it was the first time that I felt had control over strength and making myself stronger because my first kind of steps into this reality was things are fragile, you might die. That was because I was three and a half pounds and in 1970, there wasn't a good chance of people surviving. So when I picked up that weight and started getting apprenticed by these athletes in my hometown and all of that stuff, I went from gaining 50 pounds in a couple

years and playing football and then starting my sophomore year in college as a fullback. And then the first game of the season, I tore my sacral ligaments. And then that put me towards the, okay, I need to sort this out myself because the allopathic, even the traditional physical therapy wasn't taking me to a place of homeostasis. So I then took it on and learned through education of physiology, nutrition, kinesiology, all of that stuff, and majored in that. Jumping to Colorado after graduation, working with an exercise physiologist and a doctor who was doing functional medicine research, and he would just drop because it was kind of pre pre-internet

or at least so you know baby steps of the internet at that point so he was dropping off these you know stacks of functional research and just pushing me going this is this is where things are going and this was an 85 year old retired doctor wow so so these things started and then i went back to school getting a degree in a master's in psychology because i was interested in the really wasn't from a mental psychological standpoint but really if i were to answer it honestly it was the consciousness as it related to someone's intention because because I would see people make different choices or heal from injury differently, or there was so many things

that were affecting any one person. I just started to get that curiosity of consciousness and curiosity of that intersection between how that related to the physical world and the physical body so um that was very significant for me and then and then that journey continues as a you know a conscious person um taking responsibility for myself and then trying to facilitate um other things but but then as that, I mean, the whole time I'm playing with herbs after school and, you know, after I graduated college,

I was playing with a lot of stuff. And so when I would see and turn, you know, bags over and see supplementation, I would see like, okay, this was a great formula, but they took a left turn here and here and here. Why did they do that? I don't get it. And then seeing food systems doing the same thing, seeing things on the shelves and like, why are they, that's harmful. And so it kind of just hit me. I was like, I'm going to look into this more. so i started formulating maybe in 2002 um and like more professionally and i was going to come out and then i started journeying to india and and south america and then of course the medicine chest just started opening up in terms of, I went there for a couple reasons to learn about, uh, Sasha Inchi, Maka, um, uh, you know, a variety of things within those compounds from the indigenous people.

But then I ended up walking away with 20 things I've never heard of, like know uh you know sitting down going to the market trying camu camu for the first time raw fresh uh like sucking on a vitamin c pill that was just like but in its fruit form um and and lucuma which is this incredible butterscotch, avocado-looking natural pudding that the Amazon creates. So things and sitting with some of the elder people and eating potatoes that were fermented for 50 years that was stronger than any antibiotic in the world from these old ladies sitting around making these potions and i was just like holy shit and i and you know in this day and age it's fun to feel to feel like you're discovering something obviously i'm not you're rediscovering it almost for yourself and then you're like you're looking around good no one I know knows about this stuff so that started my number one the responsibility

of formulating was like for me coming from my father was an ag professor at the University of Minnesota I have cousins to this day who wear cowboy hats and farm and like that's that's my world and I'm a worker I walked bean bean fields, I threw hay bales. So for me to show up in the middle of nowhere, it happened to be the Amazon, was just a responsibility. It wasn't to come up with a title of who I am and I'm a superfood hunter. That was given to me.

That wasn't something I was looking for. But it was the responsibility that i took on that was if i'm gonna if i'm gonna look at this stuff and i'm gonna hope to get some of these medicinal plants these botanicals these fruits these herbs out in the world i have to be there i have to see my people and my people are the earth people. My people are the farmers. I have to understand what they're doing. And I want to learn that way. For me, school wasn't my favorite. I want to get dirty.

I want to see what's happening. I want to be on an uncomfortable car ride for nine hours to meet a farmer in the middle of nowhere. I want to be on a water buffalo in the Philippines so that I can meet this artisan cacao grower of five generations. Those are the things that mean something to me because I realized that superfood hunting, the food, the herb, the botanical

might have been the muse. And although i want it to be in the world to do its medicinal activity for many people but i come to realize superfood hunting is the the the super is also understanding that it's it's a it's it's about the that it's about the people. It's about honoring the tradition. It's about honoring how they're using the plant. In the middle of India, looking at Ashwagandha, and you're like, I'm sitting there having lunch with a guy that's 80 years old that you look in his eye and he looks like he's 25 and just sparks, literally this is the responsibility of what I want to do to pass a botanical, a food, if it's barucas so that it's good for the people. Their world is better because we created a fair relationship so that they can do the thing that they're supposed to do. their tribe, and their natural environment. That has to be sustainable. That has to be fair. That has to be better than it was before we got there. And then the processing of the botanical. It has to meet, obviously, USA standards. It has to meet quality standards. It has to be, listen, if you're not, you know, anyone who's selling anything, if you don't have eyes on the ground in some form, then you're probably not getting, I'm not saying that everything's, you know, adulterated.

But you're probably not getting the top quality that you really would want. And there's opportunity for all kinds of exposure to things that you would never imagine like i'm at the source of of where most of people are getting this one ingredient and i'm looking at it going there is a bird right there like inevitably shitting in that vat of green juices that's being dried or powdered or whatever it is, you would be shocked. Because if someone doesn't trace that, they can always find someone to sell it to. And always find someone that doesn't care enough

or is naive enough. because I'm not going to say everyone's a bad person and they're selling schwag, but there's a naivete to like, yeah, it's got a C of A, it's got a white paper, it's been tested. Anyway, that's a much bigger rabbit hole but that sets the tone of why i continued the more i saw the more i realized the responsibility of of quality products uh and fair relationships around the world and bettering the environment in that process and creating sustainable economy while you're providing a phenomenal nutrient-dense botanical food to the end consumer. And that's not easy.

All of that, what I just explained, is super time-sensitive or consuming and takes money, it takes resources, and it takes patience. So, I mean, not to, but the Barucas situation, it was a perfect storm in the sense of that because Barucas became something that it was so evidently clear into shit you don't know way more than you know, which is incredible. So when I didn't know about this nut, when we tested it ourselves and saw that the micronutrients blew every freaking nut away. And then when I ended up going to Brazil to see the savanna of Brazil that was

being decimated faster than any landmass in the world of unsustainable farming practices for unsustainable beef production, soy and corn, and just annihilating this beautiful savanna in a rapid rate, faster, again, than any landmass on the planet, faster than the Amazon. So when I saw that, number one, I shed a tear. But then I also realized the baruzeta tree that this nut comes from, we could create a value, even though the any nut we've ever seen, but it also tasted like a freaking peanut without the allergies. So I'm like, holy shit, this thing is not going to be a barrier to entry. When we could then go, we can create value back for these people so that they could forge a wild food on their own lands and that we could plant trees for every five pounds that we sell of this and create fair wages by having hundreds and hundreds of meetings of tribal leaders of indigenous people to understand the economics, the real economics in the situation,

when we realized we were checking all these boxes, taste, micronutrients, better for the people, better for the environment, instead of the value being just destroyed and them having to give up their land for all this other stuff, I realized that this is a culmination of one of the greatest kind of discoveries when you look at the super side of it,

the super food, the super economy, the super for the environment, all of these things kind of come together. And so that's why I doubled down instead of formulating for someone else or doing whatever, we decided to make this our own product so that we could support this whole system. From the ground up. Absolutely. Yeah. I want to rewind for one second and then I definitely want to get into Barucas and some of the ways that you've worked with different cultures to really put it in perspective for people but um you you worked for shakeology yeah so beach body i formulated uh shakeology in 2000 started in 2006 it launched in 2008 and that did very very well yeah man no one could have imagined. So it was a really bold step because it's not a protein shake. Protein was just one pillar of some of the greatest botanicals that you could put in a dry formula from around the world. have prebiotics, probiotics, clinically substantiated. You've got all of these things that are supporting indigenous people

and quality assurance, millions of dollars spent in all over the world, making sure that that is of the highest standards, which the story doesn't get out there that much. People get lost with, oh, it's Beachbody. It's this pretty package. It's all this stuff. No, no, no, no.

When people realize the extent at which i've put into this what isabel daigler put in with carl put into it what they back it up they don't even realize what is in that bag and so yes it it in 10 years it did 3.5 billion dollars in sales like what i can't even i still can't even get my head around that but the beautiful thing kyle is when you can do something like that and know at the core of me that those plants that have been tested and that are validated and are backed up by a big company. Because I told Carl, I'm out if this goes sideways. I don't have to be here. I don't work for you. And so they've always backed that up. So when you realize that that's going on, however the business model is, that's not my business model. It's not my company. I did what I did at the highest integrity I could, and they backed it up. And so for that, I am just eternally grateful to have come into that situation

to be able to do my thing and to have a company market it to millions of people. So that's like, I've used this example before, it's like an artist that creates a song and he gets to understand that people are enjoying and being moved by his or her song. For me, Shakeology is my song that I've got to put in the world. And the orchestra of that formula is the plants. Like when you've got cordyceps and ashwagandha and chaga and schizandra and some of the great

freaking amazing adaptogenic herbs that are helping people deal with stress in a day that we need it more than ever. When you have prebiotics and probiotics, you have all of this stuff. That's an orifice. That's a symphony that I know is going and doing great things. So yeah, so that, you know, it was a blessing to be able to have that opportunity to formulate that thing. Yeah, that's beautiful, brother. Well, let's dive into some of the ways that you've obviously already touched on it. But I think I had heard you on Ben Greenfield's show two or three years ago, and you were talking about moringa leaves in Africa. Yeah.

This sacred tree. And most people from the West, when they go to make a business deal, they're going to respond to whatever their supply chain is with cash. And you realize that's not going to cut it here. What's needed in Africa, especially in that particular region, is water. Not just water for the people, but clean water to handle the new load of the moringa leaves. Yeah. handle the new load of the moringa leaves yeah yeah so i mean moringa i've studied and and seen in six seven countries or so and um there was a lot of research saying that there are certain uh you know moringa does really well next to the equator it's very strong it can grow in hell and florida really well it could grow here a little bit it doesn't like the cold, it's very strong. It can grow in hell in Florida really well.

It could grow here a little bit. It doesn't like the cold when it gets cold. But in Africa, the high selenium content in the soil, you know, it would get strangled with not getting enough water, which it actually started thriving in. So Moringa is very interesting that way um so so i did a lot of work in senegal western africa um and i mean the biggest challenge for that project is just getting

money into it enough money to develop it enough um but but that's something moringa is is another powerfully gifting plant because from a micronutrient standpoint it's probably one of the best so you're you are getting they call it the vitamin tree and they also the slang is they call it in africa western africa they call it never die right so you eat it you never die and also it gets beat up and it it never dies right so it can grow in extreme situations i also did a pilot in arizona for my own research with the Navajo Nation. And we grew some in the hot area of Arizona. And we had three different rows. And one we watered, I think it was once a week. The other one we watered once every two weeks. And then the other one we watered once every three to four weeks. Guess which oneed once every three to four weeks guess

which one grew more three to four weeks yeah the one that was was more challenged grew at least twice as much as the other two and when when we harvested it i had it directly sent to a supplier in Palm Desert, and we harvested it. And the trick with moringa is you need to harvest it immediately. As soon as you harvest it, you need to get it from oxidizing and process it, wash it and dry it. And that's where most of the moringa on the market unfortunately it's just they don't understand that they just grow it and then there's a huge amount of time that it doesn't get to the the the drying or the final processing and there's twigs in it and it's brown and it's yellow and it's not really vibrant so it's moringa is sitting with 35 known antioxidants

in one plant it's sitting with um five you know what is it five times more vitamins five to ten times more vitamin c than oranges um and then uh vitamin a uh E, like it's just huge micronutrient. And then, of course, all the amino acids, which is gnarly for a plant, and chlorophyll and all of that stuff. But if you do it correctly, if you dry it, harvest it, and grow it correctly. So, yeah, that's an ongoing thing i think i haven't seen very much uh uh i haven't seen many good products of moringa in the market just for that reason so um but that's that's one that needs more attention i think yeah yeah so how have you how have you worked with,

was it, I'm not sure if it was you or not, but wasn't there a situation where you worked with the technology people to create some type of bubble that could pull water out of the air to help deliver extra water to the Moringa as well as the tribe? Well, it wasn't directly Moringa as well as the tribe? Well, it wasn't directly Moringa, but I had for about 15 years ago, 20 years ago,

I started looking at, because obviously if you're running around Africa, if you're running around India, there's water issues. Throw a dart. There's anywhere in the country, in many countries actually, there's water issues. Throw a dart. There's anywhere in the country, in many countries, actually, there's water issues. So how do you create a water source? That was always something that I and Ben, I think we got into that too, but it was atmospheric water, essentially figuring out how to condense the the humidity out of the air and then and then create a clean water source from it it the the biggest downs and we then there is many companies

over the years that have done that so um and you can even have a machine in your house doing that. But the problem is that that technology as of now just requires a huge amount of power. So now you have that issue. So you can look up this. Anyone can look up atmospheric water generation. And you can find this incredible company is doing the big units and create a lot, but it's the power. It's the power that's the issue. I'm also, I can't get into any details,

but a friend of mine is doing a lot of green tech. So he has created an ability. It's kind of crazy to say it. Tiptoe to say around it well it's a little crazy for people that without giving the full context but let me just drop this bomb and eventually i'll be able to say more in a year or so so he's he was also very aware of atmospheric water and i've known him and he's an inventor now and you can't even I'm not gonna mention his name yet but you can't find him on Google you can't he was in Sierra Leone in the 90s got caught in civil unrest he got out of there he was doing some interesting diamond and gold excavation using vibrational frequencies that would

vibrate the rock off of gold and stuff. So he started getting into tech stuff that was really interesting. And so long story short, I was consulting with him about Africa because of his experience in there and just trying to navigate Africa, which is there's a reason why they say TIA, this is Africa. Because when something doesn't make sense and you're in Africa, it doesn't make sense. You're like, how does this function? There's a lot of things that just don't make sense in africa like if you show up with a solar panel and and and try to you know give someone power it's probably going to be stolen stripped of all its wires and then they'll sell the copper wire because they get something right away and they can make money okay it doesn't like why would you do that it's just they they

their their mentality is right now. What can I get right now? It's hard for me to think of the future of this solar panel being good for my future. Because right now, I can sell that copper wire and make a dollar and buy some food. So Africa is really interesting in that way so chris now is developing technology where at any at any temperature on planet earth he can create using different um uh refrigerants special refrigerants that uh are super cold like super super cold so at any temperature on planet earth when it comes up against it it creates water with so it can create a thousand gallons of water at two percent humidity like it's Like it's super efficient. At the same time,

it's creating by that transference of air coming in, he's peeling off the nitrogen and using that as fuel. So then it becomes a power source and a water wall all at the same time. Yeah, so it's deep. And I apologize to the audience

to not get more detailed into that because I can't. But the point is that water, power, food, it's very basic stuff. So there's a lot of ideas, but the ideas without the understanding of culture, place, country, people, if you don't understand that and you haven't't traveled there the shit just doesn't work so you have to understand how you can get around those types of things or work with what the situation is um and that is a constant so every ingredient that anyone can there is a journey of how that freaking thing has gotten to you. Yeah. I've been in, you know, at 17,000 feet looking at rhodiola, which was one of the great

adaptogens, you know, with white, uh, just me in a talk about breathing, you know, this from all the breathing stuff I've done, I was the only one out of 15 people that were with me and this Tibetan guy running up this last little stretch at 17,000, 18,000 feet. And because I wanted to get to this specific rhodiola plant. And I'm like, yeah, because you train so that you can do shit. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? You want it to be useful in the real world. Exactly.

Like that's ultimately I want to live the kind of life that I want without the limitations of like, oh, I can't get there. Oh, really? You're halfway around the world and you've got a headache, you can't move, you got altitude sickness and all that stuff.

Well, that's all of those people. And it just wasn't going to be me. So, but the point is that each one of these ingredients has a very very specific journey and then from a cultural standpoint from a efficacy standpoint from a quality standpoint each one of those things need to be acknowledged and understood so that that bloody botanical that you're paying and spending your hard-earned money on, that that is going to do its job because it was taken care of so that, you know, I know you know of plant medicines. So we know that even if you take a plant medicine and it's quote unquote, you don't feel it, you need to have some assurance that that is got the essence of what it is in there and has been used for thousands of years.

And it is the responsibility of the companies to do that. And yes, it's hard. And yes, it takes time. And yes, it takes energy and resources. But we need to do that. We can't just take. We have to make sure that it's better. The situation is better in everything that we know of, in the best way that we know.

And listen, you think you're doing it right and all of a sudden you gotta make a different know. And listen, you think you're doing it right, and all of a sudden you got to make a different choice. And that happens all the time. But that's any job, or that's, excuse me, that's any, you know, trying to create any business. So anyway, but yeah, that's to take responsibility of plants and to let them do their thing. That's really what I just want to get out of the way and just let them do their thing so that people can consume them and kick ass in their life. That's really, for me, my health of people, health of the planet really comes down to that. I want people to enjoy their life and I want them to have more energy, vitality so they can kick ass

and then dream what their life is and live that dream. And we all know if we're aching and in pain and don't have energy, guess what? You don't get. You don't get to live the kind of dream life that you actually could have. So I'm not obsessed about, in my world, I'm not obsessed about nutrition. I'm not dogmatic about it. I don't. It's so automated now that I'm free to live. And I don't care what other people are doing. I mean, ultimately in that way. Yeah. There are certain things you got to let go of

in order to really appreciate all that you have and to have that focal point come from within and that allows you to really live without barriers and boundaries. 100%. If you're so focused on all the shit that's going wrong in the world, that can get very tiring, just spend an hour watching the news. But let's talk a bit more about barucas.

And then I do want to get into plant medicines. And I do want to talk about the diet talk, because that's definitely a big one. So you left Shakeologyology you started your own company yep and you have still been on this path of working with different people you found these baruca nuts which i think i heard about a couple years ago it was right before they came out right yeah yeah so we uh so a brazilian reached out to me i was in the Amazon the eastern side of the Amazon of the Brazilian side and looking at I was in we're I think I was investigating some Paul palms some palm fruits on that side and then the Brazilian saw like through

social media or something he reached out to me he said hey have you heard of these you know the the barrosita tree and the brew nuts and all of this stuff? And I was like, no, tell me. And so he sent me a bunch of research. I started reading. I'm like, okay, this is cool. There's some legit stuff here.

He sent me a sample and I ate that sucker and that marriage was on. Right from the start. I was like, I mean, I'm as obsessed with these things eating them daily i'm not this isn't even a fucking plug like i literally as as obsessed as i am on the first day i am now so when i ate those i was like wow these are incredible but of course i go into okay but what what's the reality of the situation it's a huge landmass so the saharu which is the savannah the southern side so there's the amazon

which is more north and then there's the southern it's it's it's three states of texas wow it's huge brasilia is like in the middle kind of and it goes all the way on the western side a place called mato grosso and then just a huge span so what's the situation how is a wild food keep in mind this is a wild food this is not there's no you know monocropping and fucking glyphosate getting sprayed on the ground yeah there's nothing this is a like how do you even possibly so my first trip in the investigation was like let's not do a deal let's just let me come and let's see if this is even possible so of course you have tons of meetings and we even from the indigenous people all the way to the phds and some guys who did their thesis on the badozeta tree and like okay what's the population of the tree what's the population of people that

could gather it naturally when it falls because you can't pick it early so there's something else to that that you cannot pick it early it literally won't let you if you pick it early the nuts not even formed so he can't do it it has to fall so that's beautiful and so when it falls um you know you pick it up it's got um a very hard shell it's got a fruit layer very tough fruit layer on the outside which is incredibly sweet and there's a story about that i'll tell you but indigenously they used to take this whole fruit with the hard shell and with one nut inside they used to throw it on an embered fire like and then in the morning it would be toasted, and it would be easier to crack open, and that's how they would consume it.

Because you come to find out this thing is really hard to break open, like extremely hard, and so they're smacking it with a rock, they make like a machete with a bolt on one end, and they're cracking it open. And it's like, that's hard to do, and so especially to scale something like that. So we spent a lot of time going to these villages, talking to the people, talking to the agronomists,

talking to the foresters, talking to the PhD people. What is the situation? How could we gather? Is there communities? Oh yes, there's some co-ops, there's some places, there's some things. Does anyone have a facility? Yes, there's a few people. Are they even close to being certified for export? Absolutely not. Okay, that's going to be a big chunk of time, energy, and resources.

And then just to coordinate something of a wild food in a landmass that's three states of frickin' Texas. A third of the United States. That's like, holy shit. But there was something about it. I pulled in some friends of mine that I had worked with in other countries. Well, I've been here and with other countries. And they were used to, they understood the trade, they understand how I worked, and then they had their own way of

commercializing. And so we are all on the same page. And so we got some good investment. And then we started and we're still figuring things out. We're still developing technology to speed up the cracking process. We figured out shaving techniques of the fruit because the fruit is super high in fiber. Prebiotics as well, which is fantastic, super low glycemic, but you get that great flavor, that great

sweetness. And then when you add it with the alchemy of the nut, there's just this beautiful natural trail mix that happens. But the nut itself, because it develops one nut per fruit in a place that gets highly stressed. So the sahadu is an incredible biome. And this tree is a nitrogen fixer. So it pulls nitrogen out of the air. It creates usable nitrogen for other plants by the microbial activity of the root system, and then literally gives nitrogen to the forest, which is, that's a grandfather tree right there. Like that is a special tree. And that is revered tree from a spiritual perspective and also from this super nut. So this nut gathers this this high, high antioxidants, like 374% more antioxidants than an almond. Think about it. Wild food, guess what happens? You get more micronutrients by far. You get more antioxidants by far. You get a complete protein in this nut you've get three times more fiber than any nut

like this sucker is like that's a gift and it tastes so freaking good right so so once we looked at how hard this is gonna be fuck it let it, let's do it. You know what I mean? Because of what that is. Yeah. Because it's all going to be hard. My line of work of trying to bring out a new thing, it's going to be hard to get something from essentially a third world situation to the United States. So we ended up acquiring the facility, getting completely HACCP certified, GMP certified, upgrading the facility, upgrading the processes. And past all of the audits,

we're going to some big retailers. Although we're not pushing for retail, they're coming to us. We'd rather... Your listeners, the people who kick ass and care about a lot of things and care about nutrition and care about being healthy and being great as people and supporting companies that are actually doing good, your listeners are like the perfect people so if we can just have those people give a shit and get a great fucking snack then then then they know that they're helping the environment by by their win of getting this beautiful snack and and it's helping out all of these pillars that's what we want the direct like just online like that's that's ideal but it's naturally happening where we're opening up to retailers and some big boys and and and worldly distributors and stuff like that but it's exciting it's and you know now we're coming out with some butters and the butter is it'll blow

your fucking mind like It's absolutely incredible. Especially, I got to try a spoonful of the beruca with the cashew, wild cashew, which is incredibly sweet and just fantastic all by itself. And then we tried the beruca with the coconut oil. And then of course, that's going to be the next iteration is all three together. That's the perfect travel food yeah it's crazy and i'm i'm digging in some some bigger

formulations with burgers right now um which is really exciting for me because it's been a while since i really formulated intensely um so we're gonna play with this sucker uh we're we're excited it's a it's a we've got an incredible team and uh we all believe in in the mission and that's important and uh you know the the investor and myself we're not taking a penny from this company until it's well on its way. So this is definitely a labor of love and I've dedicated my life to this stuff and this is fun. It's really, it's hard work, but it's super fun when you can see, just for me, it's really simple. When you took a spoonful just before this

and your face you didn't need to you can't fucking fake it yeah you didn't need to say anything that to me that's again goes back to the song like playing a song and getting someone to enjoy it for me knowing where that came from the journey that that that had, the care that we've put into it to get that into a jar, for you to put a spoon in there and eat it and have the joy, all the while knowing the nutrients that it's giving your body, that to me is the muse of a gift that I get to sit in. And I love that. It is a joy. I mean, listen,

if I was infinitely wealthy, I'd just give this all away. I would, because that's the fun, man. Well, it's still a gift, brother. It's still a gift. And the way the world works, there's nothing wrong with feeding yourself. Totally not. So let's actually jump straight into veganism, and then we can fall back on a bit of the more esoteric and your journeys with plant medicines, which I think will tie this all together. But you know, I first met you, I've mentioned this a number of times,

but you're the most yoked vegan I've ever met. And I know on your 46th birthday, you threw on a hundred pound weight vest and knocked out 10 pull-ups, which I don't think I could do today at 37. So, huge props, huge praise to you. This is a polarizing topic. It's a polarizing... I mean, we're in a fucking polarizing world right now, right? You have extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. You have extremists on both sides of diet, you have a more nuanced approach, which I think is beautiful and welcome in today's line of arguing. It's not conversation,

it's more, I'm right, you're wrong, and here's why. And I think your non-dogmatic approach, but also the fact that you walk the walk. I think it's unfortunate to think this way, but I'm trying to live without judgment. However, I noticed things. And there was a Beyond Burger guy at the airport when I flew into town, and he had Beyond Burger stuff all over his gear. He had Beyond Burger all over his clothes. Wow. And he was not a walking billboard for health. He was not the guy to promote that, right? And it's not like, oh, I don't look at a bodybuilder and say, what do you eat? I want to eat like you so I can look like you. I know it doesn't work that way.

But you are a specimen. You walk the walk and you look the part. So dive into your practices and what led you to become a vegan. And obviously, I think your degree of veganism is probably different than anyone else on the planets because of the superfoods that you consume and the fact that you understand all the working mechanics behind what you put in your body and it matters. Oreos are a vegan food. And I know fucking vegans who have eaten Oreos and said, well, it's vegan. It's fine. I'm not... And it's like, no, it's not. You're putting garbage in your body

and that has a consequence. But that's enough of my rambling. Let's dive into this topic because reading your book, I was thrilled to see that your encouragement is in people eating more plants and putting the highest quality food they can in their body. And if they do eat meat, do eat the best quality for the animal, for the earth and for yourself yeah yeah uh well thank you and i appreciate that and uh a hundred percent you're right i am so sick of the arguing myself i'm just like it's just i i just turn it off like i don't even want to hear it and yeah of course you you know you want to pump your chest up and all of that stuff, but it's exhausting. And so jumping back, my journey from a physiology background, exercise background,

listen, I was playing football. I was 30 pounds heavier in terms of not, you know, muscle and just like really, you know, doing the thing coming from Minnesota. Like, you know, of course I ate what everyone else ate, thinking I need all this protein. And so then when I started kind of looking back at some mechanisms without getting too nerdy, I was like, there is a, number one, your digestive system has to be dialed to have the hydrochloric acids to break down flesh efficiently and the right enzymatic activity, the protease that's needed for the uptake of amino acids or at least the breakdown into the amino acids. And there's a lot of energy that it takes to do that. But there was this thing that I discovered that I wasn't aware of, but made a lot of sense. There is an expenditure to finding concentration

as a protein in our evolution, right? So let's say hunter-gatherer, like it's effort to get a concentrated form, an animal or whatever of protein. So it makes sense that the body has its own recycling center of amino acids. So when you have autophagy or whatever and you're getting rid of old cell and you need to dump them, your body breaks those down and it doesn't want to give up valuable amino acids. So there's a reuptake ability that your body has. And so your body, so people don't put that in the equation.

And I was like, that makes a lot of sense. Like, why isn't anyone talking about, they're just talking about, okay, well, you know, for every pound, you got to take this much protein with all the fucking calculations. I was like, let's put this to the test. So I don't know, 12 years ago or so, I just, it was probably, it was like, listen, it's a study of one. But I increased, I was doing a lot of HIIT workouts, and I was doing some biathlons and triathlons. So I increased everything. And I went off. Like I was eating fish at that point.

I already had started kind of weaning off, but then it was just kind of like, let's just really try it. And it was scary because you're like, well, that's what I've always done. And even me, I was like, but how do I stay strong? So I'm like, let's try it. So I quit all forms of animal products. And I just started obviously experimenting in plants and I was exposed to superfoods. So I'm like, well, I can get this from that. I'm like, okay, well, that's a complete protein. Okay, this is not that scary. And so I just started cranking my workouts. And I was like, holy shit. And of course, these are all the cliche things,

but this was real for me. I was recovering faster. I was in the middle of endurance races and just going, I've never felt this second wave. And I was just like, fuck no. And so of course, those are all the anecdotal things that were happening. And then through probably the, which I really wish I would have studied and had tested the microbiome shift. Because obviously when you're eating anything, if you're out foraging right here in my land and you're just eating that, your microbes are going to be changing. Yeah, rapidly. That then started shifting. And I literally, you went from I'm craving such and such meat or chicken or dairy and casein is so addictive for the body and all of this stuff. So I was going through that normal process, but I stayed with it. And just magically, it just, boom, everything switched. And for a while, Kyle, I was still checking in all the time, years. I was like, do you want meat? Do you want a piece of fish? I was asking my body all the time and it just went away. And so I just never looked back. And for me, yeah, Laird brings this up too.

It's like, I'm not gonna say I'm an anomaly, that's silly, but I definitely am eating high quality food i mean i'm definitely um uh exposing my body to some serious plants and those plants are fucking kicking ass and um and i always strive to do that and again this is automated at this point so i i'm it doesn't, it may feel that for people when they're making any change, but at a certain point, I'm just like, I'm dialed. And I do see, I mean, I, listen, I hate both sides when they are so gnarly and judgmental. It's like, Jesus Christ, man, I can't even imagine living in that body with that much judgment. This is trumping any nutrition. I don't care if you're that judgmental.

There is no amount of nutrition that's going to thwart that. There's no that can go over that. The consciousness around that is basically saying, fuck you to anything else, because that will influence your body more than anything else. I mean, I remember this doctor that I studied with, Dr. Mohsen Hurmanish. His daughter was in a PhD program for nutrition, and she asked one question for a thesis. She was like, what's the most influential thing that one could do for their health? And through all of her research, she found and made a thesis on it that being in creation and creatively in the flow, This is kind of answering the question, but being in the flow of what your passions, your creativity was gifting your body more than any biological nutrient that she was getting her PhD in. And she didn't. She kicked ass in the thesis and I read it and I lost it somewhere, but I have to see if she can give it back to me.

But, and that also goes for, you know, Harvard's got one of the longest long-term longevity studies on the planet. It's over 70 years long. And you know what? The greatest thing for longevity that they're finding was community. Having influence. Of course, everyone wants to know what's the, I mean, dude, for how many people said, what's the best superfood? I could be retired. Give me the pill. Yeah. But of course, that all, it's part of the wheel right so you know and this this opens up the door that we're gonna probably end on but that consciousness as well as the the powerful plants the listen if i don't resonate anymore to eating meat, I'm in dissonance

with my body or my consciousness or my soul, whatever you want to call it. That's my journey. That's me. I'm no longer resonating with that. So if I go over, and this goes into fads. If people take something and say, I'm gonna do that because I think they're cool and I'm gonna follow them because they have six abs and they're in dissonance with their truth, you're not gonna get the results. And this goes back to why i was studying psychology because i

would see it ultimately i didn't have enough knowledge to what i was seeing but i was seeing something that was the dissonance between truth of a person and dogmatic this is what i should do and should work the same for everybody follow Follow the leader. Yeah. Or just follow this perceived perfect plan. Good luck with that. So, anyway, so for me, yeah, man, I wish people could understand the access of, like, I will always go, just like I said in the book, I will say from everything I know, from all the plants that I've had intimate connections with and dove into and indigenously looked at and been in research facilities and seeing the fucking magnificence of just even normal plants. Like an apple has 300 active compounds in it. The reason why they say apple a day keeps the doctor away, that's just a representation of this. These plants are powerful.

We're micro-dosing ourselves with either crappy chemicals, glyphosate, whatever, and that's killing us slowly. Or we're microdosing with high nutrient value, light giving, potent, vital foods. And so there's also, let's just dive a little deeper. When I eat something, when I eat this raw living spirulina

that was in my like a food, it's not dried. It's got B12, B6, B3. It's got more nutrients by a factor of 10 than the dried stuff. And I know where it's from, and I know the owners, and I know how it's grown in a hermetically sealed thing, and I know the vitality of it. Or if I think about and consume the rhodiola that i know where it's from i'm in serious harmony with those things and when that i'm in serious harmony with these barucas and even with you like i'm giving you energy even as i mean we're going deep but i love that you're here because you bring this shit out of me which is great because i often don't get to, but I'm in harmony. I want

you to experience the vitality of this fucking epic nut, this powerful nut that could actually save the Sahadu, that actually has the power to do it and give you its life force. And it shows up in micronutrients and antioxidants and fiber and protein and all of these things that represent something. But it's also a biological blueprint and building blocks, but it's all part of the whole. So back to the plant-based thing, I'm just jacked on the resonance that I have, the celebratory nature I have. I mean, when people say, yeah, but I just want to live. So I want to eat that steak. And I'm like, that's cool. But if you think that I am not celebrating my food, man, you are smoking crack. Because I'm lit up with food and herbs and supplements.

And hell, my dog's name is Chaga. So that gives you a little hint into some of my favorite mushrooms. But my dog, he's drinking structured hydrogen water. He's eating medicinal mushrooms. He's eating spirulina and also organic meats. I've looked at the physiology of a dog. They can convert enzymes. They can convert more than a full carnivore cat. They have a flex that's more advantageous to eating other things.

But 75%, they're eating meat. So is it a little weird to have meat and make it up? Not when I know it's good for my dog. Yeah, when the life of that animal was better than most of the animals on this planet. Right, right. No doubt about it. Well, I think we got a little bit more time. Let's dive into a bit more of the spirituality and some of the work that you've had with plant medicines. Because I think in my personal experience, that's something that's helped me to understand nature better.

That I'm not separate from it. That I'm a part of the whole. That all is consciousness. Whatever soul I have is in everything that's here. It's in all of it. It's in your yurt right now. It's in everything that exists. Because all's in all of it. It's in your yurt right now. It's in everything that exists because all is of or nothing is. And that connection for me to the plants has grown immensely because of those downloads. And it's that deep knowing with a capital K that's inarguable,

but it is through personal experience. So I'd love for you to share some of your personal experiences and really what ways you've been opened up to different thoughts around life. Because I'm sure it kind of went against the grain of what you were taught growing up in Minnesota. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for that. Because it's not something I get to you earlier today when we were gasping for oxygen that I'm coming up on 20-year anniversary of my first ayahuasca experience. Now let's set the stage.

Yeah, I was out of Minnesota, but I was 27. I never had done a drug. I mean, like I was a teetotaler, so I stopped alcohol because I had an addictive personality. I saw my dad suffering from it. So thank God I got out of alcohol. I never had smoked pot at that point. And then when that mother plant spoke to me, like this guy in Colorado, you know, I don't know if he was a full shaman,

but whatever, I just knew there was something that just hit me and I knew I was going to do it. And I was like freaking out. Like there was a knowing, but then there was this other part of me going, you haven't, you don't even know what this is. You've never even done a drug. What are you doing? And I showed up and I did it. And, uh, uh, you know, um um each journey is unique but i seven hours of let me say this which you'll probably appreciate the very first thing that that mother plant told me, like you and I were sitting,

it was coming in. I don't know if I had thrown up yet or not or whatever, but it came in and all of a sudden just she revealed herself and she was just like, basically it was like, thanks for coming. You never need me again,

which was very interesting because it's right here always it's here right here and i didn't fully understand what that means how do you know it because you're sitting there in an ayahuasca fucking getting your fucking ripped open and you're like what do you mean this is here um and so i kind of blew it off and that sets me up for some not so fun journeys afterwards but that first journey it there was so much that went on but the recapitulation of the hints of intuition, it almost went through my entire life going, remember when you sensed that and that and that and that and that about this person, about this thing, about this, all that's true. It's up to you to acknowledge that and take action on it. That's what she was saying when she says it's right here.

You don't need to take anything. You don't need to take me to acknowledge that she showed me, like if you learn to listen, she's always here. It's right here if you're willing. And that's where I have an issue with people. When I say issue, I don't really have an issue. You have an observation. I have an observation of people like, I've done it 100 times, 300 times, and all of a sudden you look at their life going,

Yeah, same, same. What have you put into practice how have you embodied the work yeah exactly it's the work and and that shit is the hard part because that's when cool you're everything's good and your house burns down and everything now what who are you is it here or are you going to be off distracted in this reality and whatever, but the work, your relationship, whatever, it's here. This is the work. So constantly going back in to understand that for me, it just teed me up to kind of full circle when I got here at three and a half pounds. I can work. So if she's going to tell me that it's here and I just need to show up, that's work. I get it. I'm going to do that.

I can do that. And to me, confronting somebody, saying my truth, being willing to be vulnerable i love that shit because on the other side of it there's always fucking the the the the verge of and a good addiction yeah it's like when you real like oh fuck this is gonna be uncomfortable like I just had like this past week like a huge environmental deal that I'm working on and fucking some shit went sideways and I was the only one communicating to this guy and he's relying on me and i had to fucking call him and i was like i'm fucking heartbeats going and i just sat got quiet sent him energy like connectedness connected us before the phone call and say hey dude i love you whatever that is for people like i i'm good we're good i'm here i'm your team i'm your partner and

then i called him and this is a hot head from nicaragua and colombia like i expected him on this one level to blow up. He had done that in other weird sort of ways. Oh my God, this guy, he was like, we had a conversation like it was melted butter. I was like, Jesus. So that's the work, man. Like the plant medicine, and this is where breathing comes in too for me, that shit will open those doors for me. And it's not, you know, the rockets necessarily and the

light show and the journey tunnels and the, you know, it's not necessarily all of that, but there is just by doing conscious breathing, whether it's nose breathing from McEwen's book or whatever, if I just breathe, it honors her and me because it lets me access. And that muscle that I get to work is what she was talking about. Yeah, it's the tuning fork that allows our antenna to open up and receive the downloads 100 yeah brother well you've said a couple of things that i've been i've been meditating on from my last couple experiences from roomie and i just want to mention these and then we'll we'll let people uh know where they can find you there is a voice that doesn't use words.

Listen. Why should I seek? I am the same as he. His essence speaks through me. I have been looking for myself. And of course, you know, people hear the as above, so below. If we live in a holographic fractal universe,

that means all is within. And if it's 100% interconnected, which I believe, then this makes sense. You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop. Wow. Thank you for that. Yeah, brother.

I think it flows right in line with that first day experience of yours. Fuck yeah, that's good. I mean, just having this conversation, it resonates so much because just talking about it, we're acknowledging the journey and it's beautiful because it starts, there's a vibe that starts happening just by the, which is why I'm just, I'm grateful that you've even asked the questions because it's just, it's a gift to me even in this moment to be able to let that, let part of myself get to open a little more because of that you know because of her because of that because of the plant because of you know whatever the start was was it me was it her was it whatever but um thank you yeah thank you brother yeah i knew when we had to redo this

interview that it was it was gonna be just as good if not better um where can people find you online your website and i definitely want to uh hook people up as many people as i can with these barucas because they are incredible and they're my favorite snack to travel with yeah so we're giving all your people so they can promo code kyle and then we're giving all your people 15% off. Awesome. Yep. And barukas.com, B-A-R-U-K-A-S.com. I'm switching out my website. It's going to be darrenoleen.com. For now, it's superlife, but superlife.com. So if you dial in on that, it's going to redirect. We'll link to all three so people can get to wherever.

And then just social media. It's either Darren O'Lean or Super Life Living. So, yeah. Awesome, brother. And your book, we'll link to that in the show notes as well. Yeah, Super Life, the five fixes that will help you. Well, we switched the title, but just Super Life. It's all over Amazon.

Yeah, yeah. Awesome, brother. I love you so much. Thank you for having me, my brother. Yeah, man. Thank you guys for tuning in to today's show with my boy, Darren Olian. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Remember, check out his website, baruchas.com slash Kyle to get yourself a discount on these fantastic nuts. That's B-A-R-U-K-A-S.com slash Kyle, and you'll get a

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