Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #16 The Power Of Music, Dance and Sound with Porangui

Episode Date: January 15, 2018

Porangui stops by Onnit to talk about the importance of dance, movement and play and teaches us about the magic of sound and voice. Connect with Porangui on his Website or Facebook Check out Ayahuasca Remixed and the Shamanic Soul Retreat Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on Twitter and on Instagram Get 10% off at Onnit by going to Onnit.com/Podcast         Onnit Twitter        Onnit Instagram

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My man, Borangi joins the Onnit podcast with me, your host, Kyle Kingsbury, Director of Human Optimization at Onnit. And we had an absolute blast. I got to meet this guy at Spirit Ranch in Sedona. He's a musician by trade, but he's a lot more than that. And he teaches people the importance of dance and song and how it's something we've lost in our modern culture. This is something, you know, if you're into paleo and you're into ancestral living and maybe you've read Sex at Dawn and different books where you're like, oh shit,

human beings used to live differently than we do now. How does that affect us now? Those are great questions to ask. And I often find myself in my car with no music on thinking about stuff like that. One of the things we've lost in addition to our rites of passage in this tribal setting that we come from is song and dance and being around a fucking fireplace and just letting loose and feeling our bodies in space and perangi really dives deeper than that and i'm very fortunate to have gone through some of his practices and teachings and been guided by his wisdom at spirit ranch for a week with him and a few other great amazing teachers but i think you guys are going to get a lot out of this podcast give it a listen and then also check out the show notes because perangi just

launched an awesome album the ayahuasca remix album and we'll link to that in the show notes so you guys can check it out it's a fantastic album he did the original ayahuasca soundtrack for aubrey marcus's uh ayahuasca documentary. And he's been a guest on the Aubrey Marcus podcast as well. So check them out there. Check them out here. Hope you guys love the show. What? Hey! You! What? Hey! You! What? Hey! You! What? Hey! You! What? Hey! You! What? Hey! Welcome to the Audit Podcast. We are joined by my main man, Orangi. Oba. My brother. We got to learn some some sweet words right yes we do that's that's that's the bonus word that one was okay uncle notch taught me that word

i was gonna say who taught you that one yeah 27 times world champion yeah so beleza beauty beauty yeah man you know it brother yeah so i met you at spirit ranch not long ago in sedona arizona that's right and it was incredible and you are an incredible musician you taught me that little body number how to play with sound how to organize and blocks right musical blocks that's right Most people don't know musical blocks. Rhythm blocks, as we like to call it. Rhythm blocks. There you go.

From Keith Terry, an amazing percussionist and tap dancer, teacher of mine. Just an incredible way to start to access music and start to think of polyrhythm and putting together the complexity of the mathematics, if you will, of music and starting to put that into our bodies, right? Because it because it's something big part of my work is about embodiment you know how do we embody these things a lot of times there's this process from learning something where it's still this cognitive thing which stays up here in our frontal cortex and we're thinking about it and to the point where we then do it enough times we pattern it we start to then embody it and that point at which it no longer be thinking about it

puts us it's then within us just like when you're in the ring i'm sure right and you're just that's exactly what i was thinking right that's that's bruce lee 101 bruce lee 101 train it until you don't have to think it's reflex it just becomes part of you and the key then for me what i find is once we've embodied these practices and we layer then more practices on top of it and so you almost the kind of the idea is to max out the bandwidth of our of our ego if you will of our cognitive brain you know this this waking consciousness that sometimes can be not very conscious in fact and so we want to like the unconscious conscious brain unconscious conscious exactly mindless brain that fucking never ceases

monkey chatter exactly so we want almost like the koan right in zen buddhism we want to confuse it we want to basically get it to the point where it has the brain fart and then it just can't do anything and in that moment we actually reach that deeper state of flow that deep state of awareness of samadhi of enlightenment without they almost be like uh the whirling dervishes in sufism absolutely spinners they just spin until their brain fucking turns off in essence yeah there's so many traditions in rather not turning off but just tuning in right right it's like we really want to get that egoic mind that attached that fearful mind the one that's always craving or always with aversion pushing things away that it doesn't like we want to basically get it into a place where it doesn't have any room.

We want to get it out of the picture as much as possible because basically in those little moments, those little insights, and some people access this through various ways, whatever, on the surfboard, in the ocean, or in the ring perhaps, or perhaps it's when you're in music or when you're dancing. Maybe it comes in whatever way that you access. Some people call it flow flow state right flow consciousness but when we get into that zone where time dissolves and that's usually for me it's like one of the big cues it's like time when you don't

track time anymore you totally forgot what time is you're not checking your phone or whatever that's when you know you're you're in the sweet spot yeah right and when you're there that's the longer you can extend that space right it's almost like it's like going to the gym right and when you're there that's the longer you can extend that space right it's almost like it's like going to the gym it's like you're working out you're trying to create so that it's not just a single moment it turns into many moments and then many moments after many moments and just like meditation same idea right same principle just in that way you do it in depending on the style of meditation but it's it is a waking living meditation for me it's an embodiment practice is the kind of my meditation. For me, it's an embodiment practice.

It's kind of my portal that I encourage people. It's through that embodied awareness and presence. And I really believe one of the most powerful gateways is music and dance, which are two sides of the same thing. You're 1,000%. It's funny because the last day when we finished at Spirit Ranch, we did an ecstatic dance. For those that aren't familiar, you basically just dance without inhibition and to dance like no one's watching, as the quote says, right?

But to make sure no one was watching, we all got blindfolded. That's right. And it's funny because when I was thrown on the blindfold, I realized that I hold back when I dance in front of my wife. Not because, I don't know. We give each other shit like fucking two dudes in the locker room. And it's always fun. But I am self-conscious of the way I move in front of her because she moves fucking beautifully.

She's an incredible dancer. Always has been. Incredible yogi. And to see her body move and articulate in ways i'm like shit son i got nothing like that but with the blindfold on it was just it was like a fucking weight being lifted you know and i don't know that i danced well per se by by you know standards you were killing but i'm just saying i fucking felt incredible and it was incredibly liberating to move my body in ways but i'm just saying i fucking felt incredible and it was

incredibly liberating to move my body in ways that i hadn't if i thought people were watching right and what an incredible tool to understand like hey dance like nobody's watching we're gonna make sure nobody's watching so you really can just let yourself go and be in the sound and be in your body and the other thing that was incredible about it was without looking without seeing myself in visual space i truly had to go within to feel my fucking body yeah every step i took if i spun around i don't want to fall on my ass or knock into the speaker right so i have to be mindful of sound and you guys were running around with shakers and little drums making sure our man ian from on it was

staying in his spot you know people so people don't knock into each other right just keeping it safe safe space right safe space so you could just let go completely not have to worry about it yeah yeah yeah and and just being mindful of the sound too like oh yeah i hear the shaker getting louder maybe i need to go this way like it just fucking tapped me in and centered me in a way that few things can right right so there are many tools right many many paths one truth yeah and so in that you know again i've said it a fucking not a hundred times it's maybe 12 episodes deep by now but the point is like for people that don't want to sit in a room to meditate you can be mindful in many practices and you can tap into flow with many practices right absolutely and for people that

aren't sure about flow flow is fucking deep peace flow is stillness of the mind flow is fucking feeling incredible that's what flow is you know flow is just fucking flow is timeless yeah and literally timeless right anybody that's done a float yeah for an hour and you fucking snap out of it the light comes on the whales start going you're like what it ended how long was i in here yeah yeah that's the timelessness we're talking about right right and i think a really powerful distinction to to raise is that you know we can enter these states through the gateway of our passion like what is our passion what is that thing that we do that just lights us up you know and that could be

anything it could be from from being a fighter it could be working out in the gym it could be dancing it could be climbing a mountain it could be any of those things you start to access it could be drawing it could be any of those things um cooking food can even be although usually food you got to watch your time because you don't want to burn it. But you know what I'm saying? If you're watching it in the moment, you're going to know when it's done. You know, and you just start creating. And there's an aspect of creativity that I think is essential to the formula.

You know, and I've been teasing, this has been my life's work. It's like, how do we access these states? And I really feel there's something to be said about art forms, especially, and I've found, that engage, that are temporal. In other words, they happen in the moment now, and then they're always, they're gone forever. You know, so really beautiful examples, of course, in art, because you have sculpture art, you have painting, there's all these forms of creative expression, but specifically music and dance are two performance-based art forms in that they happen in the moment and then they're gone forever and see the advent of technology of our little light boxes right that record and videotape and you know this thing right now that

we're doing is the trippy thing because in fact it's dead when people are going to be listening to this later it's actually dead it's gone this This moment is no longer there. And what we have is this vague kind of like memory, if you will, this Akashic record of this thing that lives on a hard drive or in the cloud or whatever. And people can experience it in some faded version of it. But they're not here in the room with us right now. There's an energy that happens right now and the magic that you and I are riffing just back and forth. And so it's the same example. You go to a concert, a live performance, versus you're listening to your earbuds. Now, you can go into a state with those earbuds

and listening to that music, but we almost take it for granted the magic that happens when our ancestors were sitting around the fire. There was nothing else. This is our television, and we're making music, and we're all participating. And grandma and grandpa and the grandkids and everybody's clapping and singing in some

way, shape or form. It doesn't matter what culture. Everybody, all of our ancestors at some point had these forms of rituals and these forms of getting together and creating community and creating this flow state. And that was how they would connect to spirit and they would communicate. So just like the rhythm blocks that we were talking about, right? We actually had those words. It's like the question and answer, right? You're saying, hey, you, and I'm saying what in response to you, right? These two different patterns interlocking

with each other, creating this polyrhythm, this metarhythm that's more complex than both of us apart. And there's a communication that happens. And that communication is really a key aspect as well. It's not just flow for the state of flow there's actually this this deeper meaning deeper purpose we connect back into source right and this i think is really the key and it's like think of prayer right if we just want to talk about spirituality in the simple you know the church or whatever your spiritual path is there's a simple commonality of prayer praying what. What are we asking for? Who are we talking to? Why are we talking to them? We're connecting to something beyond, something

from the infinite, from the mystery, from the void, right? From the very beginning, from before there was the Big Bang, you know? So when we start to access those realms, and whether we do that in a, in this normal waking state, or if we do that in a plant medicine state, or whatever it is, in a meditative state, it's still, we're a plant medicine state, or whatever it is, in a meditative state, it's still, we're trying to commune, we're trying to communicate. And so music and dance have been used by people across the world from the before recorded history to communicate, whether that was communicating, preparing, communicating to gods for support for going into battle, or that was communicating to give us energy to harvest, to have a good harvest, to bring the rain, for fertility, for mating,

for having family, for creating a wedding, a ceremony of joining a union. Celebration. Celebration. Carnaval. I mean, come on. It's always a form of communicating. And so I think that's a really powerful thing, that something about us, I think, is the two-legged on the earth.

Recently I had this kind of epiphany, actually. I feel like it's part of our birthright. It's part of a birthright as a human being that a lot of us never realize because we get kind of lazy because nowadays we have iPhones and we have TV and media is so easily accessible because we can just put in some earbuds or turn on YouTube or whatever and we're getting that that sound that music that movement the light on the light box right but we forget of the power and the visceral magic when just 70 plus years ago that didn't exist i mean that's not very long that's literally just one human lifetime it's like one generation this is all link of an eye and now we're moving rapidly into virtual reality and these other augmented forms of you know integrating and living and literally hybridizing ourselves

with technology and so it's really important i think now more than ever to recognize the power and the magic of the analog experience of creating music within ourselves so that's why like at the retreats you know we're trying to really activate us because a lot of us have this story and this agreement that we're not musical, that we're not dancers, you know. Oh, my God, like you said, you know, she dances way better than me. Like, just that languaging is speaking to this deeper judgment that probably traces back to some point when you were a young man, maybe a boy, and you were moving and someone made you think about it, made you self-aware,

and in that moment made you feel shame, made you self-aware and in that moment made you feel shame perhaps or you know that you weren't good enough and immediately that egoic separation created this agreement that i i don't dance i don't know how to dance or if i do you know it's like gotta be with yeah i'm cool i'm just gonna do my little bebop in the corner with the rest of the guys right yeah that's the agreement right four agreements like fucking somebody says something and you agree to it it doesn't it doesn't stick if you don't fucking agree to it well right it has no agreements all the time right so it takes your power by by making the agreement by believing it's like you swallow the pill and you give away your power so the key here is to unravel the

agreement throw that out and get that the judgmental voice out don't care and so we start with the blindfold but eventually we take the blindfold off right that's what we did later that night that's right remix album that's right and everyone just let loose and you just felt because the energy had just totally shifted everyone was just you know we've already done this and so it's a really big medicine in that i think that's there's a lot of healing that happens in that so the gateway is fun to get to it but the underneath the work we're doing is deep psychological work deep spiritual somatic work you know of literally unlocking trauma unlocking these old agreements of someone yelling at us or someone tells we weren't any good

someone telling us to suck it up suck it in and disconnecting from our breath from our true power and so this is a big part of this work is going back to that. And I think that's, that's where the magic's at. And I, that's kind of my passion. And so it's activating us like we just did. I love your passion, brother. I really do. Um, it just, it felt fucking primal. Like we showed up a little bit late. We had to drop bear off at the hotel. And, um, it was, I was there with my wife, obviously. And, obviously and we showed up late to this this intro rhythm blocks but the second we got like around maybe two circles worth it just felt like right you know and so much of my work with plant medicines like ayahuasca has because people play a lot of music you know like the and they sing icarosos and you feel it differently. You're tuned in differently.

And in those experiences, my appreciation for music and live music has gone through the roof. My appreciation for movement has gone through the roof. Many messages repeatedly have been yoga, movement, play. It's not that serious. Fucking play. Enjoy life. Right? Totally. It's got to serious. Fucking play. Enjoy life. Right? Totally.

It's got to have the play. This technique that we did in that module of the retreat is something that has been part of my life's work. And I call it, I gave it a name. You've got to give names to things these days. So I call it dance, sing, play. And dance because, and this is kind of really the philosophy is right in that. Dance is the movement practice, right? So move your body, activate your body, whatever that practice may look like.

Movement looks like a lot of things, right? Just move. Once our body is in motion, right, there's a thing that happens. It's like we're embodied. Our souls came into these bodies for a purpose, to move, not not to be still not to be on computers all the time and like disconnected we're connected via the internet but it's like we're actually disconnected though from our bodies very disembodied experience so move second sing and sing is the vocalizations activating these two chords that we're born with right the built- built-in instrument. You know, like we talk about in the beginning, people say there was the word. And I think the piece that's missing from that is

in the beginning, there was the word and the word was sung. And we forget that. You know, our ancestors, they sang first. You know, birds sing. They're communicating, but they're singing. And no one says, oh man, that was a really good essay good essay no it's like they just sing to sing right and that's just their nature and it's like humans sometimes we get we're so in our monkey brain and thinking overthinking things because we have this huge you know mushroom brain nervous system that we got gifted and it's kind of it's our achilles heel because it can literally make us forget about the simple experience of just activating this voice just to make a sound as simple as the yeah you know just opening that heart that ah sound like mama or anahata right the heart chakra opening our hearts up when we just activate these cords it's so simple like when you get home from

that long day of work that stress or whatever it is and you just give a sigh and just like unwinding releasing there's a feeling that's attached to that too you know it's not it's not just like ah yeah you make the noise or whatever like anybody who's let go of a fucking good sigh it you feel that in the body it's palpable palpable right yeah and same goes for for the mudras same goes for the chanting you know and that's that's fucking weird to a lot of people but i'm saying anybody who's been in a large room with rolling ohms going on you fucking feel that through every fiber of your body totally fucking vibrate i feel it in my hands my feet my face my heart yeah my fucking solar plexus i feel it everywhere right and so these are things that

we've had you know and if you don't you might feel where it's stuck yeah right yeah so give it a shot for those of you out here listening to this like oh that's some woo woo funky whatever a bull it's it's just give check out where's the resistance to doing it first of all where's the oh that's not for me that's some whatever shit just look at what's under that where did that come from you, why don't you give it an experiment and then see how you feel? And take it from both of us, right? If you don't feel improvement, if you don't feel a shift in your energy body, just literally in your feeling body, just how you feel in that moment,

then we'll get your money back. Guarantee, you know? Because it really is something. It's magical. Sound is magical. Vibration, we are vibration. I mean, talk to any physicist, you know, working really it's something it's magical sound is magical vibration we are vibration i mean talk to any physicist you know working on those quantum mechanics and we're talking about everything is made of dancing strings like come on it's all vibrating you and

i look like these two bodies but really when we go down and zoom in on the micro macro like deep deep level right subatomic particle level we're just space yeah you get into quantum physics dancing space it's vibrating in and out of existence constantly it's seen and unseen back and forth yeah right right and so we're flickering in each other's awareness field and then we start to when you start to activate that make vibration by your voice which is built in and not just for talking this this these chords evolved far before language evolved right So there's something very primordial about just vibration, connecting to that vibration. When we create it, it moves stagnant energy. And vibration, this is a key piece to this, it comes from the breath. Because without the breath, there is no life. We're an inanimate, just big lump of, you know, water and flesh and, right, fluids. But we're really, we're this animated by breath and so it's the first and

last thing you'll ever do in your life so why not master it you know that's why i feel like the didge and these other things that we talk about right and the omi nobody has made me want to fucking learn didgeridoo more than you have and it's not easy it's it's one thing so aubrey got me to practice a little bit and at first it was like you know like i couldn't i couldn't quite get it and then when i got it i was like oh man that's dope and i was making some different sounds and then i'm out of breath and he's like oh yeah you gotta do circular breathing you gotta inhale as the oxygen's coming out right and i was like what the fuck i'd fucking put my head upside down but. But yeah, what a beautiful practice to learn mastery over breath along with sound and song.

Oh, yeah. And so that's, okay, so great. So that comes back to the three, dance, sing, play. So we got the dance, we got the movement. You got the sing, the vocalization, the melody, the music, right? Then you layer in the play, right? And you were saying play is so important it's just fun and the play is key and the play gets into something which I

feel is an essential part of this formula of getting to flow consciousness and that is improvisation you see because there's something that happens when we improvise when we're put on the spot like you and I right now we don't know what's gonna happen in this conversation we're just kind of letting it flow right and as we get into know what's going to happen in this conversation. We're just kind of letting it flow, right? And as we get into that, magic happens in that dialogue, in that improvisation. So that's what makes things really beautiful. Like think about a match. When you don't know, and I'm assuming, I don't know a lot about fighting, you know, that's not my expertise, that's yours. But some games are fixed, possibly, we don't know. But maybe when they aren't, when we

know it's straight up, we don't know who's going to win. You don't don't know what's gonna happen and so the fact that everyone's on the edge of their seat because they don't know what's happening in the next moment that uncertainty raises the stakes and makes it so much more powerful whatever happens in the moment because of the uncertainty of life the only certainty we have is that life is uncertain that's it the next moment we do not know what's gonna happen meteor is gonna come crashing down in here you know a tsunami we don't know aubrey's gonna run here with the shirt off and yelling at us we have no idea what's really it can dance off anything can happen at any given moment and so that's the magic of life is that when we start to work on improvisation literally

as a tool set like how do we get into that improvisational space with music, with movement, right? With sound and movement. And you start improvising and just riffing and making stuff up. Suddenly a spark happens in that moment. And that spark ignites that possibility of the infinite. And it's a muscle. You got to exercise. And the more you do it, what I believe is that it prepares you for the uncertainty of life.

So that's why i really love an example of martial art that i know very intimately is capoeira and capoeira is really cool not i mean i'm sure on the mat there's probably guys all over who have different opinions left and right about it there's some very very fucking some of the best jujitsu players in the world study capoeira so if you 100 you know i use it in the ufc but well you know they use it in tecan tecan tag tournament video game so i always those are always my favorite characters in the video well you know what though i gotta say like capoeira i think at its core it's its beauty and its majesty is not about the fight it's not about contact capoeira was created for symbolic

fighting which is actually more powerful when you really think about it and let me let me illustrate this because it's something you know i've i've really thought and felt into deeply for many years because capoeira first of all it's not just a martial art it's also a way of living it's actually to be a capoeirista you can't just execute all these movements and be super graceful on your hands or on your feet. Capoeiras also, any capoeirista has to know how to dominate the instrument, the beating bow, you have to play pandero, you have to play all these different instruments, the atabaqui, you have to know how to play the instrument and you need to know how to sing

and sing the songs and you have to know how to drop what song, like a DJ, at the right moment in the game. So it's not just this two-dimensional game. The game is also up here, it's like this musical game, it's like improvising,-dimensional game the game is also up here it's like this musical game it's like improvising like a mestre capoeira he'll drop a song at the right moment when the big guy is playing the little guy he'll sing a song oh siri is a little crab gameleira is this big tree so it's saying the little crab knocked down the big tree so he's gonna drop that song because it's the little guy against the big guy.

So he knows exactly what song to sing. And everyone gets it. So they start all singing it and sending that energy into the game. And the game gets really interesting, man. It's like Goliath and David. It's so powerful. And so this level, you don't see this in other martial arts. It's very rare.

So that's why I love it as an example of an art form where you have to embody the music, the dance, the game, the fight, right? And the improvisation. You don't know what's, it's all question and answers, conversation. And the symbology is powerful about it because check it out. If you hit the guy, there's blood, the game's over. It's kind of boring. It sucks.

It's over and someone's hurt. When you put your foot right here and you hold it like an inch away from the guy's face and show him that he could have just been taken out and then you pull it away and the game keeps going it's so much more powerful because you just took his power without having to show everyone like to hurt him and there's something powerful in that even more powerful than if you just knock him out on the ground you see what i'm saying and that is that ties back far less brain damage too oh way less tbr thankfully we just had dr dan engel on to uh to reset some shit in my brain exactly man exactly right and not to say it

doesn't have that and you know street capoeira definitely can get aggressive and when the egos get all puffed i mean that's all there but the i think the magic in the deeper piece i think that it offers us as humanity i think that it offers us as humanity. I think that it offers us as a mirror of like, here's our potential as humans. When I've met some of my maestres, you know, and gotten to work with them and seen certain capoeiristas that I'm just like, dude, these are the most embodied human beings I've ever met. Like their bodies are fully flexible. They can move in all dimensions, dominate upside down, inside out, like they're like anti-gravity machines. And then at the same time, they are singing. They can do all these things at the same time, play an instrument. I mean, they're so viscerally awake, you know, and that I feel like it's like watching them move through

life, the day-to-day of life outside of a ring, outside of the hoda. You see how graceful they are because they've learned how to be malleable, how to shape shift. In a way, it's a shamanic practice. And just to say this, you know, I think why it has such powerful medicines because where it was born from. Capoeira comes out of slavery. It comes out of oppression. And so that literally, it was the resilience. It was like the lotus coming up out of the mud. And it was a form of these African slaves who then mixed with the indigenous people of Brazil who were also slaves, right, to the colonizers and then mixed with the colonizers.

And so you have this hodgepodge of different cultures all being mixed together into this brew to basically invert that master-slave dynamic. And so because in the hoda, the slave becomes the master because he can literally free his body from gravity, do these flips and move in ways you know what i mean break the force of gravity which holds us all down right in a way and at the same time be able to move in and out and so literally flip that power dynamic and invert

it and that is the liberation that is i feel like they're liberated through sound through music through dance and these things wake us up this This fires all the neurons. You're fully awake human being. And so then your potential, I feel like it's just amplified, man. You're in that flow state constantly because it's just natural for you. So if you're training like that all the time. Yeah. We just talked about that with Paul Cech talking about in the I, we all model taking care of yourself first right so building towards something where you're the very best version of yourself yeah makes you better in your relationships it makes you better with partners with your boss and any interaction as a parent absolutely all of it and what your message is to the world right but that takes taking care of you yeah that might mean

and that should mean learning some language learning some sound learning some movement learning how to treat your body better and how to master your body and if you've ever seen capoeira or a break dancer or anybody get upside down and just fucking spin you're like damn son like there there is a complete control balance coordination and beauty right beleza beleza exactly you know it's funny you bring up you know know, b-boys, or break, break dancing, you know, that's hip-hop culture, right, is very much, like, connected to that same thing, it's a culture that came out of oppression, economic, socioeconomic oppression, right, in New York, in the Bronx, in these places, and so you see the same thing, and, and in fact, a lot of break

dancing took some of the, we borrowed a lot of that from Capoeira, becauseoeira was blending was in new york there was a mixture of dialogue happening so those movements went from you know um locking and popping and literally started to take these other movements and incorporate that into the dance and you have that in hip-hop to be you know hip-hop culture it's not just b-boy it's not just break dancing it's also flowing rapping starting to learn to use the words right improvisation improvisation rightation. Improvisation, right? DJing is also how to understand, how to make music in that way, which is a whole trippy phenomenon, like a postmodern form of music making. Because like I said earlier, you know what we're doing now.

Once anything's recorded, it's dead. It's dead. It's gone, right? And you're looking at this thing that already happened in time and space. But what's cool about like a DJ, for instance, is they're taking dead music, these records, those who do still spin vinyl, but whatever it is, and they're now recontextualizing it into the moment

responding to an audience. So in that moment that they're watching the audience move, they're saying, okay, what track am I dropping now? And then they're remanipulating it, remixing it on the fly. They're basically now making new music out of dead music. And so it's this crazy other spin on it, but still, once again, bringing it back to the fact of what brings it alive is that improvisation. It's that live element.

It's the fact that anything could happen. The record could skip, right? The whole thing. The PA could, you know what I mean? You don't know what's going to happen yet. And that unknowing, living in that place of that little tension then creates the possibility for magic to happen. And that's viscerally palpable medicine for us, I think, as human beings. Like, we need that.

Because if everything just goes to virtual reality and everything's all, like, programmed for us and everything and it's all safe, I think we're going to be the most boring. I mean, I don't think people will become suicidal is my theory, 1000 there's no point that would be like uh the disney film wally you fucking got people floating around on fucking automated automated shit they get the screen two inches from their face they say what they want it pops up underneath their arm and they're you know 400 500 pounds they don't know how to walk anymore everything's gone they watch videos of dancing they watch videos of music things like that but they're not actually doing anymore right right

all of a sudden we're just these yeah we're just these like you know brains floating around and like some kind of uh cyborg cyborg and fucking teenage ninja turtles for anybody that's a little older yeah man so so just to say again um you know capoeira is one example one little example actually when you look at all the cultures and all of the rich varieties of ways that human beings have found modalities and forms art forms creative expression forms to move to make sound and to do so with an improvisational element. I think that's it. So that's why I cultivated this practice I call dancing play and what you experienced at the retreat. It's just another way, I think, to just get anybody, whatever your background, whether you're a fighter, whether

you're a dancer, whether you're a musician or not, whether you work in a cubicle all day or whether you, you know what I mean, fold clothes and laundry at some place whatever your deal is you can come to this and start to activate this these vocal cords start to activate this body right it's hard to make sound fucking teach me that you can do it all right you want to learn right now come on oh dude on the spot all right we're gonna show this in the fucking all right all right you guys ready so all of you out there watching this. I'm going to fuck this up. You got to relax your lips like you're watching TV.

All right. You got the remote control and the little drools coming out of your mouth. Real relaxed. You take your four fingers. You put your four fingers together and you're literally just going to relax your lips and then bounce it off your lips. Real relaxed. If you laugh, you can't do it that's that's the irony you laugh right now

it just won't work you're like you're slapping yourself i gotta i gotta fucking get come on drop in a flow kyle let's go make sure right now make sure you're in low state take it take your rings off don't have any jewelry on okay remember this is your your instrument and uh you know a drum the animal's dead it can't be like yo man hit me a little softer you're alive so there it is put your fingers closer together and relax your mouth even more just real relaxed let your jaw just hang open i hear it it's starting to come putting your jaw forward ah bam there it is and then change the shape once you have it stay in that position keep doing it Bam! There it is. Then change the shape.

Once you have it, stay in that position. Keep doing it. Now change the shape of your mouth. Go from a small amount of air in your mouth, a small chamber to a big chamber. Low pitch, big. Then this little chamber, bring your tongue towards your teeth. It's almost like you're going, ee, ee, like ee're going like that you know and now pop it so it looks like this i'm going to transit from tongue back to tongue forward

you get the idea fuck yes and then you can make slapping his face for people that are just listening to this in your car making sounds with his hand and his lips that's it it's all body is an instrument it's all built in man we are we are musical beings you know it's it's incredible the first drum is right here right the first chord instrument that we ever played before guitar ukulele whatever it's right here i haven been beating my drum since i was a little guy is that right yeah brother yeah yeah so that's it you know so so really just inviting anyone whoever you are wherever you are just find your passion find your practice and start to see how you can bring movement and sound into your practice and improvise with it make stuff up on the fly

it's good to have a piece like a maybe there's a song you love or like you know some hook that it's always in your head that you just you know start there learn that song start to get your voice working and it's in the shower that's great acoustics are amazing they're in the toilet in your car whatever it is out in the fucking car for sure for sure especially especially on the morning commute when you're dreading going to work oh man and the traffic sucks open it up just let it go brain on you think coffee turns the brain on start singing a dope song that you love on your way to work and feel your brain turn on and the more you do it the easier it gets and it's the same thing we were talking at the very beginning here of our conversation you know it's like in the beginning it's it's like we're almost like a robot because you're thinking about it every little thing you're

thinking about so it's like it's like kind of jerky and it's not fluid yet but the more you do it literally the easier it gets because as you embody it it just becomes second nature and at some point and it's a magical moment when suddenly you realize oh wait i'm not thinking about it and you just did it and you didn't even think about it and so what i what i kind of come back to that dancing play it's like when we're doing movement right and we're moving our bodies and then we're making sound with our voice at the same time and then we start doing it improvisationally right making up stuff with someone else remember when we did the circle song so everybody starts making sounds together throwing out fucking any strange noise

and so you start to do this all of a sudden this whole group who never met before is suddenly making some really cool music together and it's like all of a sudden we forget what time it is all of a sudden you take a moment we're like oh wait guys we gotta go get dinner like it's like time disappears and we're all in that flow state and everyone feels totally different no one's nervous no one's scared anyone who came in stressed and feeling you know totally bogged down feeling down on themselves that's gone there's it's an incredible tool too to focus you know and one of the one of the things they talk about in mindfulness practice is the focus you can focus on your breathing you can focus on anything but if you're focusing on rhythm and sound and what beat you're dropping

you're not thinking about getting yelled at by your boss you're not thinking about the the argument you had with your spouse you're not thinking about you know maybe your kids doing something that you don't like like all that shit vanishes and it's such an easy way to tap in whereas you know and i'm not poo-pooing on you know traditional forms of meditation because i fucking practice it i love it but it is a little harder to sit in a dark room quietly and turn the mind off without a little practice without first getting there but all those things all those forms are muscles that can be trained absolutely and it's so much easier to get back there when you've been there before right yeah and again i think it's really good you bring that up there's many paths to the top of the

mountain you know there's many paths to truth i think they they all lead to ultimately the same place of being connected into source being that flow state being really coming into that enlightened place that place where we are you know as buddha would say equanimous where we're neither experiencing aversion where we're trying to push things out of our life that we don't like, that's uncomfortable, or craving, where we gotta have this thing, I gotta have it, you know, we're trying to like cling to something, because all of those is external things that we're trying to fill our, that emptiness, that void. When we cultivate these practices, whatever it is, whether it's through sitting meditation, vipassana work, whether it's through, you know, training to it is whether it's through sitting meditation vipassana work

whether it's through you know training to fight whether it's through being in the gym and working on our body whatever that is for you on the surfboard you know catching waves um it's all about bringing us back into that flow state so that we fill that place that place of emptiness is full and it's full with joy and it's filled with love and that place like you said earlier then overflows and spills into our life that overflowing cup then brings that joy and fills into our boss that's gonna chew us out but we come in with our heart wide open like that and full of love for him that even when he's tripping out we're like okay cool is that it you know with our children when we show up at home instead of like doing and

yelling at our kids because we're just freaking exhausted and stressed and trying to make ends meet or whatever it's like they feel that love it's so palpable and it shifts the energy in the room yeah if feeling the energy in the room if you ever been in it you know around somebody i i use this example a lot but you're in a room and you get weirded out by somebody or somebody's talking and you just like, man, that guy's always fucking negative. You know, then there's the flip side of that coin where like I fucking always love being around that person. They fucking put a smile on my face and they warm me up inside every time I'm fucking spend time with them. You know, just looking at it makes me fucking smile. Right.

That's the flip side. That's when your cup is full that's when you're putting everything you can into yourself so that you're the best possible version of yourself and from there who doesn't want to fucking be the guy that everyone says fuck dude i love being around you you make me feel good you bring out the best in me i want to be better when i'm around you right and and i would say this just just because we've been talking about you know this place of equanimous equanimity it's it's a it's a slippery slope because there's a fine line there of like people doing it for other people to want to be around you right versus just doing it for yourself right there's a thank you for catching

yeah but i gotta you gotta be careful with that one it's a slippery slope yeah because that ego man it's always there it's like like aubrey gotta, you gotta be careful with that one. It's a slippery slope. Yeah. Cause that ego, man, it's always there. It's like, like Aubrey says, right? You gotta be hunting it.

You gotta stock that thing. Cause he's always there. The shadow is always with us. The more we work into the light, the more we attract shadow. It's just the nature of it. That's why we gotta know it and always be putting it in check constantly. They never can put your guard down. Unfortunately,

that's just a part of this existence, I think think and if you're the fucking most spiritual gangster on earth listen to this and you're like i already know this shit i'm the fucking man i got it dialed in then check out jp sears 12 and a half steps to spirit spiritual superiority because it will dive right through all the fucking ways that darkness slides in and the ego starts to pull back what you've been trying to gain right that cart toll said that if if the whole world was filled with fucking beautiful mansions eventually somebody would give up that mansion and take a little cottage in the woods and would dis and get rid of all their possessions and say look at everybody look at how awake i am look their possessions and say, look at everybody. Look at how awake I am.

Look at how woke I am. Look at how awesome I am because I no longer need these things. I'm better than you is what they're fucking trying to say. Right? And it's just another trick. The ego is playing that we can attach our identity to and feel better about ourselves without actually finding that stillness, finding that flow, and just feeling fucking good from within. Absolutely. And so you have to keep, it's diligence, it's dedication, it's discipline.

I mean, those things I don't think ever go away. There's no easy way. I mean, there just isn't. It's in, I have to say, it's like capoeira. The most beautiful, belleza things in life come out of difficult situations. The most remarkable human beings come out of difficult situations the most remarkable human beings on our planet have had the most challenging experience in their life that's just that i think there's something that happens from having to meet resistance and then transcending that resistance when we go through the storm you know as i was telling you you about before right the buffalo buffalo yes i will fucking forgot drop knowledge right now please such such medicine you know the buffalo the great herds of buffalo on

the plains when they would see those massive storms coming they literally instead of running from the storm and going away from it they would turn around and go straight into the storm and that wisdom because the quickest way through the storm was straight through and so they would come out the other side like that quickly the storm storm would pass by in this notion that it's not that we don't have fear fear is there that's part of our primal instinct of survival it's that we do it anyway we have the courage to go right through the torrential storm go right through our greatest fears and when we do so the fear just dissolves it literally is unravel unraveled, you know? So this is the invitation. It's like, and when we come out,

emerge out the other side, we are so much stronger. We're so much more powerful because suddenly we are, literally we have this new sense of grounded, embodied power. And not that kind of egoic power, like I'm more powerful. Not like Trump power.

Like legit power, right? That comes from a place of compassion and from heart. That true sense of the masculine, I think that's like divine masculine. That's the kind of masculine that we want. That's the side of our fathers that we really love in our father's fathers, right? It's the side that wasn't the angry, raging, angry male, you know, abusive male, right? It's the one that literally comes from this place of heart and integrity and like the courageous one, right? That literally will fight that battle because it needs to be fought not because they want to just go out there and start a fight yeah you know and doing so in a way

from justice this true justice comes from this place so it's i feel like this this is what we need so desperately from all men right now especially and women because all we all have masculine and feminine whether we're men or women right and women because all we all have masculine feminine whether we're men or women right and so it's so important because you know the whole feminist movement it can get into a place where it's almost masculine you know in its nature and can be unbalanced as well so it's like how do we integrate these two you know polarities within our own body and again to be that overflowing cup out of a place of equilibrium and that's a dance because there is no homeostasis like once we come to total homeostasis we're dead right the system and again to be that overflowing cup out of a place of equilibrium and that's a dance because

there is no homeostasis like once we come to total homeostasis we're dead right the system has to always be moving and it's a great metaphor if you will parallel to what we're talking about light and darkness so we're constantly being tested we're constantly being thrown into the mix and it's like go into the challenge go into the resistance and there you're going to find the real medicine fuck yeah brother i love it yeah well it feels it feels odd trying to backtrack to your origin but i do want to talk we're fucking we're balls deep into this podcast i don't be like that's what got you started in music seems like a shitty question right now but i would like to talk about um you know when we were up at Spirit Ranch, we did a hike up at Cathedral Rock in Sedona,

and it was fucking incredible. And you told us a story. So I'd like you to tell this story about really, I just got off the podcast with Paul, and Paul Cech, we were talking about purpose and what drives us can give meaning to our life. And without it, we're fucked. Without it, we're fucked. Without it, we're stuck. We're alone. We're in pain. We have depression. We have all the fucking things we see in our sick society. Right. Without purpose, without meaning. Right. So let's talk about

how you found meaning. Yeah. Music and what you're doing and in the body. So, you know, so that story specifically was about this very special date that just passed in November 3rd. So November 3rd, 2003 was a really magical day for me. It was a day that I faced my mortality, one of the first times in my life that I was almost killed. And it's a magical date, and I brought it up because it was November 3rd when I was telling you this story. 2017, yeah. In the full moon, and we're sitting up on Cathedral Rock and literally watching the moon rise,

howling at the moon together. And my album, the latest album that we just put out, just released. And it kind of, all these factors had to, like a line that happened to drop it on that day. And the label, Desert Tracks, amazing record label by my friend Amanani and and trevor who desert dwellers is their project and uh and they have this incredible record label dance music

called desert tracks so they put out the ayahuasca remixed album which is all the music that i did for the film with aubrey the ayahuasca documentary now remixed through these producers right and beautiful album that people should check out. So fucking incredible. It's incredible. Definitely taking the prayer from ceremony and putting it into the dance floor, like get our body and our prayer moving on the dance floor. And so I was just like in awe and literally we're in the retreat and I'm trying to like do this whole album release in parallel. And I just had to surrender it because I'm like, I have to be present for this group. And so we go up the mountain, we're sitting up there on top of Cathedral Rock, right, which is our church, you know, there, red rocks, just beautiful, moon rising. Sunset, then the moon rise.

And sunset, and then moon rise. And, you know, and I tell this story because, you know, it'd been with me, it'd been sitting with me just like, wow, how did November 3rd work out? Because on November 3rd, 2003, I was on my way to see my grandfather, was on his deathbed in intensive care unit in Phoenix, Arizona. And I had come back to Arizona to basically help see him through to his passing and was taking care of him at the time. And actually it was really interesting because I had to get a job to kind of just be in that in the States and everything and what I was doing at the time. So I was working this job at a boys and girls club, with kids doing music and doing these things you know doing prevention work they call it you know with inner school kids and and it was really beautiful work but it was like I was

working like a nine to five and I was like had a little cubicle kind of office thing and and I had to get a car so I had to you know take out a loan and I was like doing car payments and the whole thing and I was like wait so now I'm working this job to pay this car so that i can then be here to this and all of a sudden i felt like i was in the trap i was like oh man this is this is the indebted trap you know and i was just feeling really stagnant and stuck and i was like my passion is music my passion is to be out there sharing this with the world and um and it was a really interesting moment so i'm driving i'd gotten the call like early in the morning your grandfather's in in the critical care unit they just put him on intubation you know the pipe down his throat and they're like please come immediately so i'm i'm on the freeway i'm driving it's maybe like eight

o'clock rush hour traffic you know the 202 six lanes of traffic and i'm cruising along man and and i'm over in the left lane and i'm passing this this giant mac truck and i remember the moment because i had the cd playing and the cd player back then we had cds and i was rocking out this song with this this band this beautiful band called mestre ambrosius and they had this this samba song that was about the leaves the fall leaves you know and this was in the fall right so i'm feeling the leaves like the changing the seasons and like my grandfather's gonna leave me and he's been like a father to me you know um and so i'm driving there and all of a sudden literally as i'm listening to this song i watch that corner of my eye this mac truck just starts swerving and i see it coming in man i like i speed up i just think accelerate and

try to get away from it and as i'm speeding up man it clips the back of my my car and this little suzuki ariel like tiny little compact car and it flies in the air man and all i remember is just seeing like everything just spinning and then i hit the road on my side and the passenger side and i can see the yellow lines passing through and all the glass blasts out the truck hits the car again and like screeching you know on his brakes and so we just he pushes me down the road until we both come to a complete halt and the car's just sitting there man and i remember just like everything's crushed around me and and the song is still playing on the cd player the good i'm like shit you know really good anti-skip exactly and i'm like man and literally my first instinct i'm just like okay i'm gonna turn off the song so i was like stop

the song and i'm like trying to push the door out and i'm like you know checking myself i don't even know if i'm if i'm if i'm missing limbs or what i'm just like in shock you know and all i can think about is my grandfather still like i gotta get there this is not a good delay he's gonna go and i'm just like you know just in shock man i get the door open i climb out and like the truck driver comes over are you okay and i'm like you know okay yeah literally all lanes of traffic stopped like the whole freeway is just shut down right finally they get there the ambulance gets there and stuff and they're like checking me they were like well we got to take you in to get you scanned like i looked like i was okay and i felt i was all i could think was i need to get to my the icu with my grandfather so they take me to county hospital and put me in the icu to do

like the whole mri and everything and it's just this crazy thing you know this moment where like literally i was going to see and and send my grandfather off and then i get literally almost taken out as well in that moment you know and everything in my life is like what am i doing here like this is such a precious little moment that we all have on this earth. It's so brief. It is shorter than a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. And so the invitation for me, the awakening was there's no time to be wasted. And the trippy piece to this whole story is that eventually they released me. About four hours later, I made it in time.

I got to be there with my grandfather and my family. And they were all just tripping. They're all like extra in tears because everyone thought they'd lost both of us like yeah you know they just got the word that i was going to icu and so i get there man and in this really powerful thing happened for me because that debt that i had on that car that was making me keep the job and i was doing that because my grandpa so my grandfather's in this transition the car being totaled i had gap insurance and so it basically covered what i owed the bank on the car so suddenly I had no car but I also didn't need the job anymore and I also no longer had the obligation of my family and it was like first time I was like free

again all of a sudden just like that got this second chance and I in this instant I'm I'm free to do whatever I want and literally that year I ended up going to winter music conference in Florida Miami it's like electronic music conference and I met Oshun Lade who's's a producer and DJ, amazing human being, and got to actually, his record label is called Yoruba Records, and he's a house DJ, he was starting his live project, and he invited me to then join him, and to do this tour, and to live with him for a while in Puerto Rico, and my whole then life as a musician really took its first, you know, launch at that point um so it's just really powerful the way the universe like we call that in you know and we need to like really reset things you know and

sometimes it's done for us you know when it's time it's like you know you have work to do get your ass in gear you know and so it's just really powerful man that the release here of this remix album was the first time i've ever done anything with electronic music kind of full spiral from that time i was with toshonlaidey like to releasing on November 3rd so it's just magic man and just for me I hope it helps us all remember you know there's no time to be wasted do your passion as we were saying earlier like follow find what that is and give it all your energy and then the universe is going to conspire to make that happen it will conspire to make it happen it takes work too and it's not easy it's not the secret it's not wishing for shit it's not a lot of background before that yeah it's not like you'd only had the skill set to teach kids right so when the opportunity was

there and the door was open you were able to step right in with both feet absolutely and it's and it's been ongoing like literally that was 2003 and here we are 2017 and i'm doing it so it's and it's been ongoing like literally that was 2003 and here we are 2017 and i'm doing so it's taken this it's been a long incubation period for me too of like going through different iterations and like figuring out how was this passion going to really be brought into the world in full with its full potency you know and so it's been this growing energy field you know that i'm just like and i have to stay at it work hard put your nose to the stone like that you know and but do it with love and passion and then it's not work yeah it's not work because then it's timeless you're in that flow state you see and it's just exactly on time and that's why we like you know wizards always

on time like today right we rolled into this podcast right on time it's just right on time yeah yeah bro hell yeah brother so you're in austin now yeah the album just released not long ago and you're doing what what i got to experience i think on my second night in sedona a sound healing yeah at black swan yoga and obviously by the time this thing airs that'll be fucking long gone so it's not to advertise it but it's just to say yeah we're gonna be back though for sure so you'll be back for sure and we do this all over the country so yeah people definitely follow it you know get in touch with us you know via my website porangi.com and yeah in our my band camp and all of that just like follow us on the facebook um but we we are touring all over we were just in

north carolina and asheville we just flew in from la and did an incredible concert there so it's it's it's rippling out. We're doing this work. So wherever people are, come connect with us. We're going to come to your area. It's a fucking game changer. And it's funny to me which things that I do now where I feel resistance inside. And I don't ever catch it in the moment. I never say like, oh, fuck, I had blinders on right now.

I see it after the fact right hindsight's 2020 and so getting to spirit ranch and knowing that a lot of the things that we had set up for us i just wondered the depth i questioned how deep and meaningful they would be yeah but you know right out of the gate working with body and sound and sing and doing these things and playing that opened me up it was like oh okay i'm gonna have a fucking good time regardless and my wife is here you know my grand my bear's grandfather is with bear he gets to experience sedona we get to see him each day as well and um going into your sound healing i just had no fucking idea you know i really had no fucking idea. You know, I really had no fucking idea.

Like you play every instrument, you layer them in and time them beautifully so that all the instruments play like a fucking one man concert. You know what I'm saying? Like the one man orchestra. I was like, I'm laying down. I got my eyes closed.

And every now and then I just pop my head up. Like what the fuck is this guy doing? All this shit right now? All of it? All the things, all the sounds I'm hearing are coming from him. No samples at all. Dude, it was mind blowing. And, you know, I speak a lot about plant medicines. You know, I trickle it in here and there on this podcast, but I've spoken, you know, in depth on the Joe Rogan experience and and on aubrey markish podcast about my experiences

but to feel that to connect to that to connect to visionary space where i can fucking i can download information i can see shit and you could call it intuition you could call that insight creativity whatever but with no with no external with no fucking substances that was the first time in my life where i was granted access to those things through your sound healing through the breath work the shamanjelic breath work with anahata yeah and you know and i want to talk about that in a second but it just it just fucking blew my mind that these were things that we could access through different means you know many paths up the mountain. Right. Right. And to

a lot of people out there, the bulk of them are going to say, you know, I don't want to try this thing because it's illegal or I don't want to go to the Amazon because it's too expensive and I can't take two weeks off of work and it's a long ass flight and all. And I don't want to I don't want to fucking be around a bunch of jaguars and fucking snakes and insects and shit the size of my fist whatever the case is whatever resistance we have to committing to something like that there are fucking large commitments even for a guy like myself or a guy like aubrey right aubrey doesn't have an income issue he it's still a fucking issue for him to take time off to do that doesn't like mosquitoes yeah he doesn't like mosquitoes at all but he did get to talk to the grand consciousness of mosquito exactly but you know what i'm saying like i do it's just it's

it's there's a lot of things that prevent us from tapping into that and you don't need those we don't have to go that route like the fact that this shit is accessible to people anywhere anytime that blew my mind that was like oh shit like they're they're there's a there's a you know when i was first getting a podcast i talked with my friends at mind pump and they said make sure you hit the lowest common denominator and there's sometimes i'll talk about some weird shit you know and it may not resonate if you're listening now and not everything resonates with you that's okay that's fucking normal hopefully you're still listening right at a different time in your life you may re-listen and you may say oh that makes sense now suddenly it's shifted yeah yeah absolutely but to hit the lowest common denominator we have

to make it accessible to everyone and that's the beauty of what you're doing that's the beauty of what anahata is doing that's the beauty of what i experienced at spirit ranch yeah you know it's you hit on exactly i think one of the big things for me. It's like there's no doubt about it. I mean, and I've grown up in ceremony, in a lot of tradition, and getting into working with different medicines, different plants as well as part of that. And they are master teachers.

But I think that's the piece where we can get lost with is like they're teachers. And so any teacher, you get to the point as a student where you have to now embody again embody the teaching you can't keep hanging out with the teacher forever like eventually you gotta then take those lessons and now apply them to your life and live them embody them right and i feel like a lot of time people almost it becomes a crutch they're always going back always going back to the same lesson and a lot of times especially you know mama aya she'll she'll let you know like hey you know this already come on you haven't done shit i'm gonna give you the same fucking homework that you didn't do the last time i myself have experienced that many times and one of those lessons for me has been yoga it It's been to open my body up. It's been breathing. And now music. It's been learn music, right?

So I'm happy to say that because of you and thanks to Madre, I've been purchasing fucking instruments. And that's a very cool thing for people to do. Because just playing and practicing and having fun with it, you don't have to have mastery. Like I'm not going to fucking buy a grand piano and try to figure that shit out on youtube but drumming things like that they're inherent in us there is

something primal there like we can tap in right absolutely and there you have it and you know just like you saw you don't have to buy anything either it's all built in like we're saying just here what's these two chords it's most complex instrument on earth is the voice the human voice is so complex people don't even take it like we take it's the most complex instrument on earth is the voice. The human voice is so complex. People don't even take it. Like, we take it for granted. We waste it on talking. When we, it can do so much, man.

It is, the voice is the fingerprint of the soul. The voice is the fingerprint of the soul. It truly, there are no two voices alike anywhere. It doesn't matter. You know, it's each one is so unique. That's why people use it in the security industry as a form of ID, of biometrics, of, you know, anywhere. It doesn't matter. Each one is so unique. That's why people use it in the security industry as a form of ID, of biometrics, of recognition, because they're so unique.

The formance of our voice, the way that the folds are, the shape of the cords, the shape of our hole, our jaw, our tongue, it's totally unique. Each person, and I like to say this when I teach, it's like we're each like a Stradivarius violin. Each one is one of a kind. And it's a work of art. And so it's like tap into what your art is and start to hone it in.

And that's why the breath is right there. It's so accessible. And why we talk about the didge. For me, the didge is a master teacher. It's been one of my teachers for now 12, 13 years. And I'm still a student. Every time I go to the didge, I'm still learning new things. I'm still being challenged. Like there's always an edge with it, with my

breath and how, where I can go. And it's like, it's so inspiring, man, to get into that space. And you just play a didge. You just make a note on a didge. Even if you don't understand circular breathing or what I call spiral breathing, you know, because it's moving through time, like the serpent. That spiral breathing, right breathing right it's like it doesn't matter because just playing it even a note on it you're already strengthening your breath you're starting to access that diaphragm because you can only play it breathing from here you're going to get winded real fast if you're just breathing from your chest it's going to start to vibrate your pineal gland all your cranial bones you're literally going to just relax after three minutes of just blowing on a didge long breaths exhales you're already

going to feel totally in a different mindset than you did when you started you'd be totally raged and pissed grab that didge just and you can get a pvc pipe inch and a half diameter 51 centimeters long just go down to your hardware store buy that literally you can just sand that off get a little beeswax beeswax candle melt that or just heat up a piece of beeswax in a microwave if that's what you got or on the stove dip that in there a couple times to make some layers of a mouthpiece build up that mouthpiece there you go boom done costs you like five dollars okay there's no reason why you don't have something like this right or grab your vacuum cleaner you know there's the guy

who plays the hooverie do look that up on youtube the hooverie do dude it's a real thing it's so funny but like so it doesn't matter but like get that and just start to blow into it and it's amazing it will start to heal you and it'll start to wake you up and move and help you to connect your breath in a way that you never had before so simple right and i really love it this i literally taught a workshop the day before yesterday yeah because yesterday we flew from la the day before we taught a workshop in la on on dig and um it was great because i had all these levels various levels from total beginner to really experienced guys right and i was watching people as they're just just making the sound go through this whole like awakening, all this trauma,

all this stuff where they'd been shut down, like coming up for them, all this fear, this anger, rage, like all the emotions coming up, just breathing through a tube. And it's just like, it's that, it's so simple. And it seems so almost like stupid, dumb, easy, because it's just like in front of us, it's right here, it's breathing. But when you start to access that, man, and do it with intention, it will transform your life. There's a, the British Medical Journal published a study, I believe it was in 2005, that literally they did a clinical study

with didgeridoo with a group that had sleep apnea. And they actually showed statistically that the didge would improve people with sleep apnea, would actually help reverse sleep apnea. And there's people who have shown that it's more effective than surgery. So I mean, how many of you out there snore? And if you don't think you snore, ask your partner.

How many out there snore? You probably do. A lot of us do. But there's so many people who suffer from sleep apnea and who are literally suffocating in their sleep because their tissue in their throat, the epiglottis, it's flaccid it's not strong the tone there's not muscle tone and the fascia is weak and so literally they're choking in their sleep and so it's like all of a sudden start playing did you're strengthening all of that and you're healing

that so you're getting more oxygen you're connecting to source you're dropping to a meditative state you're literally no longer snoring you're getting better sleep it's just like it's kind of just obvious it's like you gotta do this yeah five bucks hardware store come on oxygen breath work and better sleep are fucking tenants of living right tenants of recovery tenants of fat loss tenants of detoxification dude all that it's the groundwork for everything everything right again first last thing you're ever gonna do in this human form is breathe it's the first and last thing you're until your last breath why not master it i'm gonna fucking i'm gonna have you help me pick out a didgeridoo right now online we're doing it bro we're doing this yeah well

it's been an hour i mean uh it has been an hour yeah flow state baby flow state brother i couldn't believe it but um i definitely gonna have you back on you're gonna do a fucking out of this world amazing podcast on the aubrey marcus podcast very shortly yeah hopefully we'll try to time ours slightly separate um absolutely but uh oh where can people find you brother yeah so so again you know on online uh website porangi.com i know it's a mouthful so i spell it out p-o-r-a-n-g-u-i.com uh my name you spell it with an accent on the i normally porangi and uh and you know people who have a hard time always they're like what po what and so uh i just the mnemonic that a friend of mine gave me, a musical friend of mine, Eric Zhang, he says, ghee, clarified butter, pour on the ghee.

So pour on ghee. People remember that. I think a lot of people here are down with some grass-fed ghee. There we go, baby. And so just to say, if you guys are out there and want to experience this work and the retreats that we do, we have a bunch of retreats coming up. We actually have one coming up in December in Hawaii. And again in February it's Ecstatic Dance Retreat actually. We're going to be

doing the dancing like we were talking about with you guys with the blindfolds. But there's going to be like a week where we get to drop in on the big island of Hawaii. Amazing DJs will be there. Desert Dwellers is going to be there playing. Kaminanda. It's going to be out of this world. Plus there's going to be all kinds of other courses and amazing food. And yeah, we is going to be there playing Caminanda. It's going to be out of this world. Plus, there's going to be all kinds of other courses and amazing food.

And yeah, we're going to go check out the whales, go see the lava flow. So if people want to get that experience. When is that in December? It's coming up December 29th. Excuse me, November 29th through December 6th. And then again at the end of February. I think it's like February 24th or 25th through the beginning of March. This might air after November, but we'll definitely get that one.

So the one for February, jump on that, you guys. It's going to be out of this world. Yeah, they're going to have some amazing experiences there. Then we're doing more retreats in Sedona. Actually, with Anahata, we have one coming up, the Shamanic Soul Retreat, which is happening in April. So anybody out there want to experience this stuff and go deeper? I fucking highly highly highly recommend

doing the retreat and i promise you just to touch because i know we're out of time here but i've done wim hof breathing i felt my hands curl i've seen different lights and colors and things like that but i've never gotten to the point that i did with doing the shamanjelic breath work especially talking about vibration on the exhale the second she turned up the music and said fucking make noise when you exhale and people started going like that's fucking changed the game thank you brother you're so welcome it's such an honor bro i fucking love you brother thank you very much we'll have you back and uh check them out man you will and dude spot him out man you will in dude spotify and bandcamp right and bandcamp people can buy the album buy the albums on

bandcamp ayahuasca remix.bandcamp.com yeah and then all of that's accessible through my site but yeah and then we'll we'll keep that updated with events and shows we're going to be touring we'll be on the west coast and east coast so come see us send a big love out to everyone thanks for listening guys hope you appreciate it for all you as much as i do make sure you check out the show notes we got links to this amazing new album i love the remix album and uh we'll check you out next week. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. All right, guys, you've got questions. I've got answers. Every Wednesday at 6 p.m. Central Time, I'm going to be on Onnit's main page on Facebook

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