Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #170 Anahata Ananda

Episode Date: September 10, 2020

Anahata Ananda blends the compassion and tenderness of an Angel and the wisdom and strength of a Shaman to guide profound journeys of core healing and spiritual awakening. As a Certified High-Performance Coach, Shamanic Healer and Soul Guide, Anahata has guided thousands of individuals through core life shifts, helping them to turn their life around and manifest the life of their dreams. Anahata is the host of the internationally acclaimed Shamangelic Healing Podcast. She is the founder of Shamangelic Healing, based in Sedona Arizona, where she offers high-performance coaching, inspirational workshops, group retreats, private healing sessions, and online courses. For more about Anahata's services, visit: ShamangelicHealing.com   Shamangelic Healing Podcast with Anahata Ananda: https://shamangelichealing.com/podcast   Free Guided Animal Spirit Journey: https://shamangelic.pages.ontraport.net/FreeGift_KyleKingsbury   Social Media Links: www.facebook.com/ShamangelicHealing www.instagram.com/AnahataAnanda www.youtube.com/ShamangelicHealing     Head to https://sovereignty.co/kyle/ to grab my favorite CGN/ Nootropic. There is nothing like this product for energy and cognitive function!   Check out Dry Farm Wines and get a bottle for a penny | DryFarmWines.com/Kyle Dry Farm is 100% organic and biodynamic grown wines from all over the world with about 1g of carbohydrate per bottle! Keto wine with none of the garbage- it is truly the healthiest wine on Earth and the only wine I drink.    OneFarm Formally (Waayb CBD) www.onefarm.com/kyle (Get 15% off everything using code word KYLE at checkout). Check out the BRAND NEW night serums and facial creams and (as always) the best full spectrum CBD products.    Get 20% off Lucy Nicotine Gum at Lucy.co using the Promo Code KKP at Checkout   Connect with Kyle Kingsbury on: Instagram | https://bit.ly/3asW9Vm   Subscribe to the Kyle Kingsbury Podcast Itunes | https://apple.co/2P0GEJu Stitcher | https://bit.ly/2DzUSyp Spotify | https://spoti.fi/2ybfVTY IHeartRadio | https://ihr.fm/2Ib3HCg Google Play Music | https://bit.ly/2HPdhKY        

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It's our view. If you're watching this on YouTube, you don't quite have the same view, but at least you get to look at our pretty faces. And let's see, we had an excellent conversation the last time you were on the show that needs to be rekindled because the files were lost. And as we've come to understand, there are no mistakes. So I'm joining you here. You made your way to Austin in February. It must be even better now with a few more months of experience and lessons and humility. Yeah. And we, you know, it's funny because we, you know,

we guided a breath work with you and we're going to dive into that on Aubrey's birthday at a black swan yoga. And it was such an incredible experience. I mean, as you know, you've, you've been doing this for many years. Each time you go through it on that side of it, it's a, it's, it's really eye opening and heart opening. And, um, you know, Aubrey said he couldn't imagine what a shift to, by the way, but he couldn't imagine spending his birthday any other way, you know, Aubrey said he couldn't imagine what a shift too, by the way, but he couldn't imagine spending his birthday any other way, you know, really, really powerful and special. And I definitely want to talk about that. But if we think of a, of a why,

there might be a good reason why you're someone I can have on the show every freaking quarter. No problem. Um, so much wisdom to share, but what's happened since February 28th and now, yeah, we got, we got a lot going on. Um, and now perhaps more than ever, there is an importance for us to find peace within, to remain, uh, in our center you know with a clear head and a clear heart so that we make proper decisions and and really just operate from that space knowing where peace lies not outside of us so and there's just so much to talk about here let's let's talk let first start, I guess, with everything that's happened and everything that's going on outside of us. How can we find a space within us?

How can we learn where our center is so that we can operate from a place of equanimity? Beautiful question. And it is so necessary. And this whole experience has called us in. And if we're not accustomed to going in, it's kind of forcing it. And if we avoid going in, it just is a chaos amplifier. And so for those that know how to do it or have had practice doing it, it becomes something that needs to be a daily practice instead of just, I visit this occasionally during chaos. It becomes a medicine tool that we use daily just because it is such a shit show every single day. A new level of uncertainty, a new level of censorship, a new

level of unpredictability that the human in its natural construct is not accustomed to handle so much change all at once and just goes into shock lockdown that's why we see you know alcohol and sedation we see so much uh rising domestic violence yeah because we're going to go back to our teddy bears our comfort we're going to go back to what is familiar and that isn't always things that are in our highest and best good. Our shadow comes out and we sedate or we blame or get angry or act out. And so as we move closer to the eye of the needle as a species where things need to evolve in order for us to maintain staying here on the planet. Basically, let's just cut to it. We're talking about whether or not we are really going to sustain in a thriving state

as a species, or if we're just going to self-destruct along with the planet. And, you know, as hummingbird just goes by, this is the opportunity to evolve our frequency to one of joy, to one of collaboration, cooperation. And in doing so, we have to learn the skill of unplugging, slowing down, and going inward. And that's where we're going to find our joy, because the joy is not going to come from the outside means or external stimulation or external validation. And all of those that have provided that for a short term certainly aren't sustainable. And so this is a time where we get to drop in and learn, if we haven't yet learned, how to unplug, how to get quiet, how to listen, and how to feel. And these are all feminine qualities. And, you know, because if we rush into action, we tend to jump from one fire into a hotter fire. We tend to add gas to the flames

of things that are already hot and cause more trouble and cause more harm. And so this is about being extremely mindful about our choices right now, which requires stillness and reflection, so that the internal alignment can happen before the external movement is chosen. And the eye of the needle is a very, very narrow space. There's a lot outside of the eye of the needle that is not your path, that is not true, that is not aligned, that is not the right time, or it's not going to support who you are becoming or what is needed in the future new paradigm. So the eye of the needle for all of us is getting us to focus, focus, focus, and be

really discerning about what is mine, what is not, what is true, what is false, what is aligned and what isn't, and have some radical, courageous honesty to be able to discern that. And this is where the tribe comes in to help encourage that, support that. And so that we, in that process of figuring that out on our own, that we're not alone in that process. This is where the tribe is so important right now yeah absolutely and i think for many of us and for most of my life you know uh social media is a climate that's not always the best and i've certainly i see the pros and many many more cons than i do see in the pros but it is it's it's funny to me how many people point out like oh yeah you know you got your rich

friends and you can just fly to the amazon and do all these things and we don't have access to that. Truthfully, I've compassionately responded with love in situations like that and let people know like, yeah, I lived in my mom's garage for six years. We definitely paid our dues and at the same time are very fortunate. No two ways about it. But like many people, especially in the West, I didn't grow up with elders who knew the way, who had a remembrance and a reverence for all things sacred, who knew how to tune in and the importance of being in nature and being on the land and in connecting in that way. I don't think most of us in modern culture have had that in our modern day communities. That's why we're so empty and soulless in the West is because we have been devoid of that anchor

and that guiding, that path to guide ethics and integrity and to always have nature as a playground, as a sanctuary, as a church, and as a classroom. And this is one of the things that I know that you are teaching your kids to do. And it's something that I brought to my kids, is that if I expose them to nature as a sanctuary, then anytime they get stuck, lost, overwhelmed, sick, they will always find their way back. I don't need to be there. They'll find their medicine by rock climbing. They'll find their medicine by taking time away from the busyness of every day and find water to play in. And so this is accessible to everybody, even if you are quarantined into your living room, because our mind does not have, you know, no one has a quarantine on our ability of our mind to

travel. And we have, we've been gifted with an imaginative mind that no one can censor. And this is our superpower as a species. And it is so underutilized, is to be able to say, well, I can go to the Amazon. I can go to the top of the mountain. I can be the mountain. I can sit with any elder from any time, from any tribe in my mind space. I can be a student. I can learn. I can be healed. I can see things. I can be shown things. I can learn things when I allow myself to be the student. The whole point of going to the jungle and sitting in a maloca is to allow your, it just puts yourself in the position of being a student. You can do that in your backyard. You can do that in your living room. You can just ask a tree, a plant, an element, what medicine, what can I learn from you today? And that doesn't require us to be in any other

geography other than an open-mindedness geography in the mind. And this is a superpower so under utilized by us because we feel like we have to go somebody or somebody else has to do mind. And this is a superpower so underutilized by us because we feel like we have to go somebody or somebody else has to do it. And because so many of us are so lost, we sometimes have a guide or a plant to show the way until we can find our own way and we learn our own way. Because it's not ideal to develop whole different types of codependent relationships either. We want, you know, mushrooms might get you to see the beauty in nature in the little things of a teeny flower.

But once your eyes are opened, then they don't necessarily have to, then they're open. When ayahuasca shows you your shadow and you get accustomed to facing your fears, well, then you can go in the darkness without her holding your hand. You can do that with that willingness to say, what am I afraid to feel right now? Where am I afraid to be seen? Who am I afraid to fail in front of? And where is my heart afraid to love again? Those are questions you can ask yourself. I absolutely love those questions. And I feel like, I forget the book I was reading, but they talked about how we have really been taught concentration and meditation. But in between the two, if we look at this triangle, there's contemplation where we are in a reflective reflective state but it is a state of peace it is a state of calm it's not the monkey

mind going from problem to problem it is a restful inquisitive and mindful space where we actually sit with the thing that's troubling us and i think these these questions of inquiry are are super important because at the end of the day, can I be with this? Can I be with this uncertainty? Can I be with the unraveling of systems that for so long we trusted in the great significance of America and the great potentials of modern society? And then we see, hey, our food systems might kind of be screwed up. Our financial system might be kind of screwed up. We might need to rework quite a bit of what we have going on in preparation for anything,

in preparation for the grid going down, in preparation for financial collapse, in seeing, as Charles Eisenstein puts it, the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible. But it is in the acceptance of these things that can be tricky. And I feel like sitting with that, it's very challenging. It's very challenging because everything's changing rapidly. And I think these questions can help us reflect on these things in a way that maybe just trying to quiet the mind doesn't quite work, right? This is self-inquiry. Self-inquiry is a powerful pathway to awareness.

And nobody else can answer those questions because of our own constructs. And that's where, what am I feeling? What do I believe? And then we get to look at the disillusionment of that when we see, oh, when we had a parent on a pedestal. And then the disillusionment happens.

Oh, they're flawed. Oh, they don't actually have the answers to every question that I have. Oh, I followed them down the path and they don't actually know the way. And so we get to sit with our own disillusionment, whether it's the government, whether it's a parent, whether it's, wow, I followed a path that wasn't mine and I lost who I am. Or I sedated myself out of my own are, not from a place of a judgment or a critic or from a place of blame, but from a place of inner reflection. Where am I?

Where am I? And if we don't honestly look at that and we don't honestly look at, what are the weeds in the garden along with me? And we can sit there saying, well, my garden's full of weeds and it's his fault and she didn't show me the way and my dad placed this there and society did this as a child. That's fine. It's still your garden. All of that may be true. And yet you're an adult with your own garden and it has now a fence around it that you can create that says, now I am the keeper and I choose how I learn. I am the only one that can remove weeds, sometimes with assistance if needed, from my garden.

And I'm also the gardener. So that means that I'm the one in charge of the seeds and selecting those seeds so that mother, father, teacher, other is not in charge of selecting the heirloom seeds that fit your garden for this season. You're the only one that can feel and discern that. Even if you're in this deep soulful partnership with another, that's still not their role to determine what seeds are you to plant in your fertile garden right now. What weeds would choke out those seeds?

What is not yours? What is yours? What's blocking that? Is it a fear, a doubt, a limitation, a pain, a wound? And the courageous act of, okay, well, let me clean house. If this is the state of my garden, whether it's being honest about your physical health or your wounded heart or your bruised ego or insecurities whatever is there with inquiry and compassion and awareness we can meet it and then say okay well what doesn't belong and how do i get rid of it not from a a place of anger, but from a place of, I don't need to hold this resentment any longer, or I don't need to feed this insecurity that I'm not good enough, or that my voice doesn't matter, or that I'm unlovable. All of these stories that were weeded into our garden and choked out our own light.

Then we have the responsibility to our own soul's path to weed those things out and then get into the deep listening, which no one can do for us. They can support us with the process, but no one can actually do it for us, is that deep inquiry of what seeds are my passion seeds right now that are being called to nourish, be nourished, just as you felt years ago that there was a seed of another child coming. And you knew that that was a passion seed. You shared that truth with me. You fed it, you nourished it, you waited for it, you tilled the soil. And here comes the fruit of that, that intention

and feeding that seed in this little wolf cub. And you will also, you know, have the opportunity to watch her and support her finding her own path and her own seeds. And this is the journey right now of the individual path, but supported by the tribe. Because we need, you know, we do need the support in the community now, but also the awareness that I have to make these choices. I have to weed the garden, and it's my responsibility to nourish these seeds, but I don't have to do it alone. Yeah. Community's been one. I think that's been really circling. We've had everyone's interpretations of animal insect and plant medicine is different, but

we've had a lot of honeybee medicine and that is big time community. They were coming into our house and Tosh was like, there's too many fucking honeybees in here. What's going on? I'm like, oh, I think this is not a mistake, you know? And certainly in feeling into that within our nuclear family, the growing of that tribe, as well as the growing of Fit for Service and the growing of the community in Austin. You know, I've had a lot of friends, you know, reach out to us, Aubrey and I, and they're moving in and not in the house, but they're moving into Austin.

And we all have these lands we connect to. I spent seven years in Arizona and this is always my second home. Yeah. As it is for Aubrey as well. Yeah. It's just incredible here, this space, but we, all that to say, like, it is so critical that we start to think in that way, that we're not just thinking about our nation or our, you know, giant space globally for sure, but, but bringing it back down to the community,

finding elders and teachers that can guide us, whether that's through books or podcasts or online with yourself and the services that you've really taught me so much with. I'd love to really break down some of the differences between the divine feminine and the divine masculine. I know we touched on that in previous podcasts, but so important in times like this that we understand how to listen internally and what is the right action with discernment, you know, that Archangel Michael medicine in times that are, that are, you know, here we are, I don't need to describe it. I mean, here we are. So I'd like to dive into that and then circle back to some of these practices that are so

transformative. Yeah. Thank you for that. It feels like it's time for us to return to some of these practices that are so transformative. Yeah, thank you for that. It feels like it's time for us to return to some of the more traditional ways of connecting deep to the land and also honoring the power and the medicine of the feminine and masculine. And I don't mean just female or male. We're talking about that the left side of our bodies and the right side of our brain is really expressed more the feminine nature, the creativity, the tenderness, receptivity. And right now, with everything that's

happening, it's essential that the feminine lead that the listening the stillness the compassion the nurturing and the healing and the patience all of those qualities really come forward more as it gets bumpy really bumpy and we get bruised around a lot by relationship changes, by career changes, financial shifts. It's been bumpy. And if we don't honor the bruises that are happening, and if we don't listen to what is this trying to invite me to let go of, then we create our own pain and suffering by holding on to things that are not supporting who we're becoming, or they're keeping us from growing into the next, going into the next chapter. And so in the process of letting go, it's painful, and it's scary, and it's uncomfortable. And that's where the feminine

qualities of compassion and patience and nurturing are so vital during these times. And the listening is, and what's my next move? And so if we look at the tribe, when the tribe, you know, traditionally on the land, they didn't have, you know, Google Maps. They didn't have, you know, the internet. They did not have weather that they can just pull up on their phone. They had to deeply listen and intuit. Is it time to move the tribe? Is winter coming early? Where are the buffalo? You know, they had to intuit these things. They had to connect to that place of spirituality and consciousness, which is all actually held on the feminine side, the seer, the oracle, the intuitive, all of the feeling, the sensitive, the ceremonialist,

all held on the side of the feminine that acknowledges change, listens, and then is the GPS that points the way. Then what happens is we bring forward the masculine. And the masculine who listens and honors and comes from that compassionate place, partnering with the feminine, now has clear direction and is not coming angry, rushed, arrogant, pushy, or forceful. When the masculine part of us is paired with that intuitive, receptive presence, then he knows exactly where he's going. And she's going to help guide as he takes the first step, the courageous step into the unknown. And this is the power of the divine masculine, is the courageous step into the unknown, to face our fears, to let go of things, to move forward, to speak up, to stand for things

that are absolutely not okay. This is where our masculine comes in. As we see with the latest big movements, our shadow collectively is coming up right in our face for us to see how ugly the darkness is and how destructive it is unless we bring it out to the shadows bring it out of the shadows and into the daylight to be seen and involved and transformed so those people that are the warriors are going to be the truth tellers they're going to be the way showers they're not always going to be popular they're all they're going to take you know often criticism from those that would keep it the same. Pioneers get a lot of arrows in the back.

Exactly, because they're leading the way. And yet that becomes an innovation. Oh, to craft an arrow a different way because it lands more succinctly in its target, then it becomes the way. So these are the way showers, the innovators. And the divine masculine is that. He stands for truth. Archangel Michael has his sword of truth. And it's a sword of light. It's a sword of consciousness. It's not a man-made sword. And so it cuts through the veil of what is false and what is true, what is ethical, what is not, what is fear and what is faith and courageously moves boldly into the unknown. And as we create the new paradigm and the old paradigm falls, we're going to need

that divine masculine to be a leader. And in a cooperative way, the old paradigm of the unhealthy masculine is to be the tyrant, to be the bully, to be the hoarder, to be the king that is the oppressor. And that's not the way of the paradigm going forward. It's going to be where the leaders are the tribe gatherers and knows that, wow, when we blend our skills and when we blend our different perspectives, we're stronger because this person in the tribe has this gift and this person has this ability to see, this one can hunt, this one can feel, This one is phenomenal at weaving. This one plants the seeds. And that's where the fabric of the tribe is stronger with our diversity. And we're not

trying to be the same. We're not holding power in the seat of one person's control. It is diversified. And when we would have the NEP, when we would have, which is the sweat lodge, or when we would have the Peace Pipe Council, the Peace Pipe was shared equally among everyone that was at the circle because the opinions and perspectives were all valued and weighted. It says, wow, you know what? Hadn't thought about that. Hadn't considered that. That's a good idea. And then all of those ideas, all of that perspective is then woven into with the seer or the oracle feeling what is the next right step. So we have this power within us to have the feminine to look at, where am I wounded? Where am I holding on to something? Because an animal in nature doesn't hunt when it's wounded. It does not hunt. Anytime we see a deer or a bear that has a gash, it goes in and it hibernates and it heals.

That's not the time to be active. It's not the time to hunt because we tend to become dinner. We tend to become prey and be our own worst enemy by the arrogance of saying, I can go out and serve right now when I'm actually wounded. And so this is a wonderful time to sit and look at how can I be fit for service and what is in the way of that and let that be my main priority. That's the feminine, wise enough to nurture, listen, and heal. Receive divine guidance to be then, and then how do I move going forward? And I believe that that marriage of the feminine and masculine together is really the sacred

union of the human superpowers is when the feminine and the masculine are in sacred union together, deeply respecting what each is bringing to the table and working together in harmony. I feel like that's where our greatest solutions are coming from and a paradigm that is sustainable will be birthed from vote from that union it's so important and it totally flies in the face of everything i was taught as a kid you know it's uh and it's it's an odd thing too you know uh i guess in a backwards way ayahuasca taught me the importance of meditation and taught like, this is something you need to do. It's not like it just dropped me into meditation.

It let me know this is a practice I need to start with. And in that, um, and having read it, you know, many books and connected to the land of different places to tune in to that frequency by slowing down, by physically slowing down and by slowing down my mind.

But entire books have been written about intuition. You know, Osho has one. And it's funny because that just gets labeled like a female's intuition. It's like, look, we're all, we all have feminine and masculine properties within us. If we can acknowledge that and respectfully ask for those things to show up, where am I out of balance? Fine-tuning that and leaning into wherever we've been absent from, we can start to find that inner guidance. And I think it's such an important piece that really has been lost in the modern world. Amit Goswami wrote this incredible book called Quantum

Spirituality. He also wrote The Physics of God, which Dr. Dan Engel recommended to me. It's an incredible book. And he talked about that. And I know I mentioned it here before, but we have this do, do, do, do, do mentality. And it's the do, be, do, be, do song that we got to sing through the states of being where we can find that guidance. And it's in those states of being where we tap into the feminine, we tap into our intuition. And really what we're using, the mind's design is to be a tool. It's not to be the whole thing. The mind is not the entire thing. And the more we consciously try to figure out everything that's impossible to figure out right like it's it's

impossible to see the future at this point right so like can i be with this can i sit and just know what the can i learn from me what's right what is the next step for me and let that intuition guide it and then bring in the masculine to do whatever it is that i've been gifted with the information the knowing that goes well beyond the conscious thinking. Absolutely. And this reminds me what you were talking about earlier, is that it is the stillness that allows spirit in, that consciousness of God,

inspired or inspiration comes from inspiritos, to bring spirit in. So we have to be still enough to be a vessel to allow spirit to come in. So that the mind, the monkey mind thinks it's the wizard of Oz and it thinks it's the wizard and the grand orchestrator. And when there is humility, which is a divine masculine quality, the humble warrior says, show me the way. The arrogant warrior says, I am the way, I know the way. And then in doing so, doesn't see that there are many ways that are easier, more effective, more productive, less destructive. And so this has been the blindness for the last thousands of years of the ego saying, well, I know the way. And we've lost that. What we're regaining, what we're remembering is the power of humility to ask for help, to be vulnerable,

to do it together, and to be the student, to be the perpetual student, and to know that there is always a blind spot in the human mind. There are always these constructs of false programs that are planted in there by someone else that we are dancing with that inhibit the ability to see clearly through our human lens. And if there is a humility enough and awareness enough to know that my glasses are foggy, and that doesn't mean I'm less than just because I don't have a clear lens. But when I quiet myself and I actually close those very clouded eyes, that's why

we see in the Buddha, his human eyes are closed. And that allows his third eye, which is 5D, 7D dimensional, it's not just 2D, and it is then absence of the blind spot and it can see full spectrum that when we're in that state of enlightenment or inspiration we can bring spirit we can bring light in and we become wiser in those spaces not from a place of I'm smarter than you but we bring in a broader perspective that when we're in our primal survival mode is a very narrow part of the brain that doesn't see other possibilities. It does not look long-term and it does not consider the whole tribe. And that's what's happening with the way that big business is treating the planet.

It is very primal. My profit's now today. It's not thinking seven generations down the line. It's not thinking big picture. It's thinking about my pocket and that's it. And that is not a sustainable perspective. And so those of us in the tribe that are wise enough to pull back from that very narrow me, mine, present only perspective. And it's a more feminine part of the brain to look way back. And like we have hawks here in Sedona and eagles. Let's rise above and see the big picture. What's the long game here? Whether it's physiology, what's the long game? Because I can be a fighter and I can burn out or, you know, I can be a boxer and I can get brain damage. And what's the point? What's the point of, of winning the trophy at the expense of my longevity and my happiness?

I had those thoughts towards the end of my career. I bet you did. Didn't have an option to win the trophy though. But the stuff you're bringing up is so important. I think it was Jung that said, the shadow by definition cannot be seen, right? And there was an incredible podcast. I'll see if I can link to it in the show notes.

If I can't, it's not because I'm lazy or I have a newborn. Simply because Russell Brand, I think, went to a different podcast hosting site or something like that. You got to pay for it now. But one of his three podcasts he did with Jordan Peterson was on the parallels. The Radaford Jordan's 12 Rules for Life book came out and they talked about how his rules are similarly follow the 12-step programs that many of us have seen in Alcoholics Anonymous or different things like that. But step one being that we must humble ourselves. We must say, I can't figure this out without your help and fill in that blank, whether that's God, a mentor, a book, someone that can help you see your blind spot, someone that can help you

sort this out. And we have to come to that place of humility to say, I can't fucking figure this out. And then not the whole thing. I mean, just me. We're all in charge of our own kingdom, the kingdom of the entire earth, the kingdom of our community, the kingdom of our workplace, the kingdom of our workplace, the kingdom of our family and the kingdom of ourselves, most importantly, our own inner kingdom. Right. And so, so at the bare minimum, I think a requirement for moving forward is how am I

operating? Am I in a rush? Am I focused on external forces I can't control? Am I worried about things that are outside of what I have sovereignty over, outside of what I can influence? Or am I operating from a place of peace and equanimity? Am I finding my center in knowing, okay, this is something I need help with. Can I humble myself and then ask for help with the thing that's going on within me? Absolutely. And in that, humility is also question, why am I looking at it this way? I think there's a whole nother layer of self-inquiry that says, what is influencing my choice here? Is it from a program I picked up at four that said I'm unimportant or my voice doesn't matter or this is the way it is? And so we're also having the opportunity as we humble ourselves and say, I need help. Also is to question the constructs, question, is this lens

clear? Is it faulty in any way? Or is it somebody else's? So does it not belong to me? Is it outdated? And does it fit my ethics today of who I'm becoming? It might have fit me 10 years ago, and it might even fit me today. But if it doesn't fit who I'm becoming, it's becoming obsolete. And without self-reflection and inquiry, we have programs, faulty programs, outdated programmings running our choices that are decades old, that were acquired and corrupt when they were implemented. So in the self-inquiry process, as we humble ourselves and we look at it, it's also questioning what is the lens through

which I'm seeing? And does it need to be upgraded? Does it need to be evolved? Is it time to let go of that way of doing, being, sedating, seeing, believing, walking, choosing, loving, making an income? And is there an opportunity in that humility? Is there an opportunity here for me to learn a new tool that is more appropriate for today? Because I think so many of us are still using an old outdated tool and finding incredible frustration and diminishing returns that, well, when I just force, when I just push, when I hustle, this has worked before. It worked for my dad. And this is what I learned. And it worked for me in many ways. And yet here, it's having diminishing returns. And unless I'm willing

to look at it and identify that perhaps the way I'm doing this is an outdated way and that there is a better, more conscious, more evolved way or that fits my path and who I'm becoming. So there's another layer. There's many layers. But that's another inquiry form that I've been diving through for decades is dismantling. Wait, that isn't even true. That isn't even the way I've been making my decisions about romance or about the next step or whatever it is about money, value, whatever it is. It's actually completely false. And which is another humbling and scary and uncomfortable space to look at. But this is the ground I've stood on to hustle, to force, to push, to bully, whatever it is, or to sedate or to ignore or to when it gets uncomfortable, I hide. Or when it gets uncomfortable, I sedate.

When it gets uncomfortable, I blame. Distraction. Distraction, you name it. And to actually take the time to sit with, is this process or this belief or this strategy or this tool or this choice actually sustainable? Is it getting me the results that I really want going forward? And that may mean dropping a pattern or addiction of being right in relationship, let's just say, as one that says, do I want to be

right or do I want to understand my partner or do I want to win the argument? And I realized that that was one I brushed up against that said, wow, well, I was taught to win the argument, draw blood if needed, and got good at that. And I also got really bloodied from that approach with others that were throwing daggers as well, because I was taught by a dagger thrower to throw daggers. And I wasn't taught by a peacekeeper. And it took me a long time to really look at that pattern and saying, being right isn't necessarily a sustainable choice or pathway or tool. But can I choose to evolve that and to seek understanding as a pathway

to understand why somebody is feeling what they're feeling or believing what they're believing in? And to question why I'm feeling what I'm believing in. Is it coming from a contracted space or can it be upgraded to an expanded space? And that's been a deep rabbit hole of the disillusionment and the dissolving of so many things that I've been taught that are just destructive choices, whether it was sedating. Yeah, that was a big one is, you know, just sedating with alcohol, numbing. And my drug of choice was alcohol to the point where I was like, I'm poisoning myself. Like I finally got

to see it. I'm actually poisoning myself. And this isn't at anybody else's hand but my own and do I want to keep doing this and that level of radical honesty and compassion and truth was so liberating so in the self-discovery you're going to find things that you've been familiar with and dancing with that have been woven into the fabric of who you are and that have created some form of stability and comfort or knowingness like this is what's familiar that will be inviting you to dissolve it and let go of it which is a whole nother part of the courageous path of the spiritual warrior and we got to find that courage now no question question. All of us do. I want to talk, I want to bridge here, you know, even if we have had access and obviously there are qualifiers for that access from being able to take time off work, time away from family, financial, no doubt, to make it to the Amazon, to go on the pilgrimage, you know, to Mecca, to wherever it is that you're going to take these these deeper um fast tracks into your own personal well-being um but something that's available to us at all

times is the breath and is one of the most critical things you know when you think about everything from the physiology you know and thank God for guys like Wim Hof and all the science that's come from him in studying a man like him, but also even taking it further into holotropic breathing and shamanjelic breathing and what you're doing. And it's funny, I don't know if I've said this on the podcast before, but I certainly have, you know, to the fit for service members who have many of which have been through, um, your breath work guidance is that the first time I did it, having all the experience with plant medicines and psychedelics, I remember talking to John Wolfe at Onnit and I was like, I was like, you know, he's, he's got some plant medicine experience.

And I was like, but how is it? And he's like, dude, it's, it's bro. It's visionary. And I was like, you have visions on it. And he's like, yeah, yeah, you have, you have fucking visions. And I was like, all right, cool. And I still like half believed him. And I was like, I'll do it just so I have, I mean, I always want to, I always want to give people, meet them where they're at, but then give people a variety of tools, right? We all need tools and we need a medicine bag that can accommodate people who aren't willing to jump into the legal gray area or the, the not legal area, you know, and I'm fully respectful of that. There are some people

who through conditioning or through worry of going to jail, which is very real, um, who don't want to, you know, have a mushroom ceremony in their backyard or on the land or any of these things. But, but, uh, to be able to give somebody an access point, you know, is it's important to me and I was blown the fuck away. I mean, I was, I was on a different, I mean, it was so visionary and I really unmistakable from a plant other than the fact that I had to push myself there. You know, there is, it is, there's a level of give that's necessary

when you go through the breath work that you can't just, you don't just swallow the pill and get taken to the visionary state. You have to work for it. And I think that's also really important. You know, it's not somebody taking you by the hand and dragging you there. Like you fully, you have to be the one that's committed to taking yourself as deep as you need to go at that time. But when

you're there, undeniable, the level of vision, undeniable, the level, the palpability and the feel of it, of getting cracked wide open as deep as any medicine journey that I've done. And that says a lot. It really does. And I just want to, I want to dive into that. You know, you've been doing this for a very long time. You've been guiding people, you've been teaching people how to become guides and it is such an important practice. And of course here in, in I think a month or so, we'll be back in Sedona guiding people through that. But I'd love for you to touch on that, the importance of this, what it does for us, and the fact that we have access to this. because it can be tailored and meet anybody where they are. And the way I facilitate breathwork, as you know, is different than most. And it's a shamanic journey for sure.

And what is unique about what I call shamanjelic breathwork is that for me, it's really about creating the womb space, a safe space, a welcoming space that allows someone to feel what they're ready to feel, to see what they're ready to see or to express what they're ready to express. And that's going to look different for everybody. There's no right ceremony. There's no right experience. It might be visionary. It might be emotional. It might be physical. There's no one way. There's no right way. And every time I've received, you know, a breath work experience or journey ceremony, it's always been different when I'm not trying to control it. And this is a, there's a level of surrender that says, you know, I trust the journey to take me where I'm meant to go. And I trust the breath as a shaman to take each participant. And I'm guided by the breath as the shaman to weave deeply into the field and the journey of each person and potentiate, support, guide, hold, expand, express, tailored with each person. And I think

that's what's different is that it's less for me and the approach that I use about whether you're doing a triple inhale and a three-second infinity loop exhale with one half lung and then the other lung holding. For me, it's not that you're not breathing because it's about the willingness to allow the breath to drop into the basement of the most tender places where your inner child is existing. The courageous superhero of your inner child that is confident and capable and at the same time and is wanting to be set free completely and knows its own power and its own path and its own truth and its own voice and all of the things that are inhibiting that, The great pain or rejection, abandonment, the stories, the wounds, the traumas. And shamanjelic breathwork is a pathway in to hold the soul and meet the soul

wherever we find the breath in that moment of the journey. And because it is an eyes closed journey, we can move through layers of time. It's not like we're just meeting the inner child at seven, because we might also meet a past lifetime. We might meet a guide. We might meet a future self. I'm not in charge of where that goes. My responsibility is to be the steward to deepen the journey and you know one of my favorite times facilitating with you brothers is right here at spirit ranch and there was i think eight of you doing a brotherhood weekend and you all big dudes like like dude dudes. Yeah, Tate, Fletcher. Right, McCobb. Yeah, exactly.

And big dudes, dude dudes. And yet having the blessing and the opportunity to hold the feminine space for each of you to be gentle, to cry, to be seen, to be held, to be vulnerable without the walls, the facade, the hats, the barriers, the shields, the weapons. And actually, because so many of you coming in as men have played the warrior in past lives. You've had to have the weapon. You've had to have the shield because you were protecting the women and children and have come in with that paradigm still intact at times that it's not safe for me to put down my shield. It's not safe for me to put down my weapon because you can't trust anybody. And I have to protect my back. And I can't be vulnerable because I may be taken advantage of.

And these are old paradigms that are dissolving so that the brothers can actually be vulnerable in each other's space. And that it's not seen as a weakness because you were not at war anymore and that's a big that's a big shift we're not at war right now you know we we we're not we don't need the weapons right now and but i but i've gone to bed with my with my knife I've gone to bed with my shield for so many lifetimes because you had to. And it's a big shift to move out of the warrior space. And that doesn't mean we're not still holding the role as protector and guardian when it's time. But for most of the time, that's not what is needed. Just like I see you with wolf or with bear. There's no weapon, there's no wall, your silliness, you're not guarding anything. You have bared your soul here

on this podcast, your personal life, your journey, your feelings, your emotion, your tears. You have dropped the weapons, you have dropped the shields. and one of my favorite experiences in in in facilitating breath work is to be able to meet somebody especially bros that are have a warrior vibe in their tenderness to roll them over on the side and hold them you know like the little boys at times that you are and to to meet and see and hold that part that is wounded afraid neglected um a man feels abandoned or not good enough at times and just keeps the facade up and there's such power in that when all of you do that together and you support each other in doing that. And, you know, I do women's circles where, wow, we can actually pull the daggers out of each

other's backs that we placed there because we're jealous or insecure of another sister. And I feel like we're not good enough. And so I feel like the breath work is a deep journey into the tenderness, into the shadows. And also, you know, when we get into the shadow part, the shaman isn't afraid to go into the darkness and look at the shadow and the pain and allow rage if rage needs to come. The first time I did breath work, Kyle, rage was the first thing that came out with breathwork, followed by sobbing and sobbing and the sadness of the wounds and the disappointments and the losses that never got grieved because nobody knew how to hold space for grief. Nobody knew how to honor sacred anger. And so for all of those watching and listening, Shamanjelic Breathwork is the safe container

to allow the primal expression its space, whether that is sadness, whether that is rage, whether that is grief, whether that is a boundary that wasn't able to be set as a child, like, no, this is my body, or no, this is not okay, that we give space to that. And I think that that's what's so powerful healing. And we also give space to be fabulous and to allow your wings to spread and to allow. Peacock medicine. Yes. Yes, absolutely. And your eagle, your angel, your higher self. We also, in the angelic spaces, allow you to see your true essence again, which is the journey home to remembering when we dissolve all of those things that have been in the way, blocking that vision.

So I have found that having guided thousands, thousands of people through Shamanjelic breathwork, that it's such an honor to hold a soul through that journey. As you felt when you've guided people through the experience, what an honor and a privilege it is to be holding space in their journey. I want to touch on that's such an important piece. And as you know, in any of these altered states of consciousness, whether it be ayahuasca, psilocybin, breath work, the original vision quest of no food, no water for and the parallel of our actual living, waking reality. What we perceive in normal consciousness is that it's a shared ceremony. And that's so powerful. I understood. I first learned that in ayahuasca because many of my mushroom journeys were guided with my first medicine man, Weetzie, on a Native American reservation. Sometimes it was just me and him. Yeah.

You know, it was a private ceremony. Sometimes there's a couple other fighters. When my wife had her first ceremony, Tosh, it was just the two of us. And that was powerful, but it didn't, it didn't really show me what it meant to be in, not my ceremony, our ceremony. Yeah, the. And, and ayahuasca gave me that. I mean, people are throwing up to me left and right.

And I'm like, fuck it. This is going to pull me out of my vision. This is, I'm not going to have my, oh, wait a minute. It's our ceremony. This is, that's okay. And there's a very deep realization and knowing of that when you're in the breathwork space, because somebody may be laughing hysterically. Somebody may be screaming at the top of their lungs.

Somebody may be growling while they're breathing. You know what I mean? Everyone has their own. Yeah. Everyone has their own experience. And in that you realize this is a shared experience. Well, that's what,

you know, what somebody's rage over on the other side of the room might give you permission. Somebody's swearing might trigger your own trauma. And it's meant to. It's meant to take you to your edge. And, you know, one of my first ceremonies, the guy next to me was just flailing his arms literally hitting me and at a time in my life when i was wanting to run in and and hide you know run away from a situation in that ceremony what i what that person next to me that was hitting me,

it catalyzed in me this primal truth of, I need my space. And you know what? In my daily life, I was facing where I was running from my space and I wasn't claiming it. All I needed to do in that ceremony and the brother next to me brought it out in me of me expressing, I need my space. And damn it,

I needed to take it. I moved myself in the ceremony during the ceremony. I moved myself to claim my space. And it was like, yeah, that's what I needed. And so the person next to you in the space, whether it's alone, if I do lots of solo ceremonies, couples ceremonies, family ceremonies, women, men, you name it, groups. And the container is a part of the medicine. It will be a part of the alchemy that is unique. The time, what is happening with the celestial. Hello, hummingbird. What is happening with the elements.

What is happening with the calendar. What is happening in community. All of those things can influence the ceremony and where it needs to go. And I've always just come to this place of trusting that, oh, this person was supposed to be here, but they're not feeling well. Yeah, because they're not meant to be here. And this person, this last minute person is here now. And it's like, yeah, because that's what they need. And the alchemy of the people in the ceremony is very powerful. And one of the things that I think is important is because it is an altered state of consciousness,

what can happen, what can't, it's not always, but what can happen is the altered state of consciousness where you can leave your body or go forward and back in time or go to a past life is that you have somebody that knows what they're doing and holding space. Because I do, and I think I've shared this with you before of just doing a lot of cleanup work around where at times people aren't taking the ceremonial aspect of it or the container or the stewardship of souls moving in and out of their bodies. That is an ethical responsibility, which I hold in high esteem and high regard I teach it in my courses. Like, look, you are responsible to hold the container clear, keep your stuff at the door, and also keep not everyone that is disseminating or holding space for an altered state is taking that level of integrity and consciousness. And that's when you have ceremonies or situations go sideways and the experience becomes a poison more than a medicine. You know, it becomes like a snake bite versus a snake rattle you know it's different so you know that level of mindfulness that to be to me moving into ceremony with consciousness i believe and integrity whether you're receiving or holding space super important i've talked i've

spoken about that many times there's a lot of people pouring medicine stateside, playing iPods that, you know, they're not quite black belt yet. And they don't fully understand that. But that aside, table that part of it, you know, this understanding that it's not just my ceremony. It's not just my life. It's not just humanity's ceremony was we understand our place in the sacred hoop and remember all our relations and all of our connection points with the earth here our Great Mother it becomes more and more apparent that we have greater and greater responsibility as stewards of the planet absolutely and stewards of

those that don't have a voice whether that is that if that's the children whether that is the plants whether that the children, whether that is the plants, whether that's the animals, whether that's Mother Nature herself, when we really drop into the connectedness of all things, which is a whole metakweasam, that Lakota Indian greeting to all my relations, then we are awakening to the remembering that, oh, I'm a daughter, I'm a son of Mother Earth, and I have a sacred responsibility to steward it properly. I have a sacred responsibility to be advocating for sustainable practices. And we've come to enjoy our creature comforts. And every time I look at or touch plastic, I'm like, this is not a sustainable solution. And, you know, looking at every choice as, is this sustainable?

Is this respectful to the plants and the animals and to Mother Nature and to seven generations forward? So it does begin to shift our perspective to more of a stewardship one and to look at, like I said before, we're going to be looking at what programs are working within us. And now we're looking at what lifestyle habits of consumption are working within us to just buy 24 plastic bottles and think that that's okay. It's absolutely not okay. It's not sustainable and it's not respectful. And so we're learning what's another way I can be with water without the plastic as an example. One of many, many, many, many, many. One of many things. And I realized that when I i can buy i can buy this food from the bin or i can buy it in plastic you know and i can just buy brussels sprouts or broccoli without the plastic on it it's just right

there without the i don't have to buy it cut up and in a plastic container it's like a little little as i sit from my plastic bottle. And, and, and so as we move through the eye of the needle, we're also doing that as we awaken to what you said about our responsibility to mother earth, then we're going to start to look at all of our choices and see how they can shift into more sustainable ones. I love it. We have very few places that we can travel to as of this podcast. I think my buddies at Sultara, which is one of my favorite places to do ayahuasca, they're reopening, I think, in November if everything holds up. But as of this moment, people can still travel to you, correct? Absolutely.

Arizona has been really, and since late May, June, the land is your healer, your sanctuary. Yeah, absolutely come to Sedona. And yes, I'm available to do private retreats, group retreats, one-on-one sessions. Shamanjelic healing here in Sedona. That's my passion and my dharma and my service is to support people through their healing journey and their spiritual awakening following their soul's mission. And that's my passion and my pleasure. And oh, I want to give a gift to everybody. Since we've been talking about animal spirits so much, then I want to give a guided animal spirit journey.

Oh, I love it. Yeah, yeah. So that will take them into the animal world, into this kind of underworld of the animal kingdom to receive an animal guide to take them on a journey and give them some guidance. So we'll give that as a free gift to everybody. I love it. Thank you so much.

You have been a gift and a guide and a mentor to me and my wife. And from the moment we met you, I... Yeah, honey. I've learned so much from you and I continue to, and I love you very much. Thank you for the work that you're doing. Thank you. the work that you're doing. Thank you. It's mutual. There is a kindredness

as we just had a beautiful blessing for your daughter, Wolf, and we did a welcoming her into this tribe and into humanity and her soul's wisdom in this little body. And I see you, brother. I've seen you from the moment we met and also Tash

and grateful to the medicine that you're carrying and holding in, continuing to refine and learn. And you are a way shower as you find your way yourself. And me too. You've taught me a lot as well.

So thank you. Thank you, Anahata. Where can people find you before we go yes well in sedona shamanjelichealing.com is where you can find me i'm on socials at anahata ananda and on youtube and all of that and so i have a podcast shamanjelichealing podcast you are on that so is aubrey you know lots of the fam are on the Shaman Delic Healing Podcast. And there's upcoming events happening. So definitely come and check it out and grab that free gift for sure. Yay. We got some kid medicine in the background here, but this is where we'll

leave it. We love y'all. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you guys for tuning into today's show with Anahata Ananda. We've got a lot of links to her website and many of her gifts. And as mentioned, in times like this, it is important that we focus on how we find our own inner peace so we can make good decisions and that we keep our own personal sovereignty over our awareness, over the actions and what we choose is right for us and really just how to navigate in an uncertain time. How do I live in a place of peace so that I'm a better person for myself, my own interpersonal kingdom? How do I do that so that I'm a better father, husband, mother, daughter, any of these

things? And Anahata has been instrumental in my success and learning some of these avenues for that. She's also been instrumental in me learning how to really crack wide open without the use of plant medicines. And as many of you know, I'm a huge fan of that, still a huge fan of that. And at the same time, breathwork is such a critical piece of our human existence, and that is always available to us.

You can learn a lot more from her by checking out her website, which we've linked to in the show notes. Next week, we've got two episodes coming out. My boy, Sherveen from Symbiotica, who will be a regular on this podcast. Very few times I've had a guest on where I was like, fuck, we got to run this back immediately. But Sherveen is that dude. And he's got a pretty big following online. I think it's at Sherveen333 on Instagram. But yeah, if you want to check him out and his stuff, that was a podcast that I

really enjoyed. And then Mickey Willis, as I mentioned in the intro, is coming on. The filmmaker who created Plandemic and Plandemic Indoctrination. And I'm going to link to that in the show notes for you just so you can see it. I would love it if you had seen the second one, Indoctrination, before you watch it uh if not i mean there's been 1 billion views of the original plandemic and of course plandemic indoctrination which just came out is uh is rapidly increasing my dude jp sears has been on the front lines of this uh well as well and um you know he set me up with mickey so i am absolutely thrilled to have him face to face in austin texas for this interview coming up here in a couple weeks i love y'all be well and we'll

chat soon