Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #175 Del Bigtree

Episode Date: October 9, 2020

Del Bigtree is currently one of the faces for vaccine danger awareness, having worked with Robert Kennedy Jr and many other big names in this field. His path down this course began working in mainstream TV on the show “The Doctors” which led his heart to pursue vaccine awareness. This resulted in his meeting Dr Andrew Wakefield and helping him finish as well as publish the documentary ”VAXXED”. Connect with Del and Highwire:   Visit their website https://thehighwire.com/    Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/HighWireTalk/    Twitter: @highwiretalk   Instagram: @highwiretalk   You can also watch their content on Float.tv - ROKU - DLIVE.tv Show Notes:   The Highwire Episode where Del talks to Dr Jim Meehan MD about the "Twindemic" / effectiveness and dangers of vaccines. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/flu-shots-for-dummies/id1227863378?i=1000492750266  Sponsors:   Head to https://sovereignty.co/kyle/ to grab my favorite CGN/ Nootropic. There is nothing like this product for energy and cognitive function!   To get the magnesium Breakthrough deal exclusively for fans of the podcast, click the link below and use code word KINGSBU10 for an additional 10% off. https://bioptimizers.com/kingsbu    OneFarm Formally (Waayb CBD)   www.onefarm.com/kyle    (Get 15% off everything using the code word KYLE at checkout). Check out the BRAND NEW night serums and facial creams and (as always) the best full spectrum CBD products.   Go to dryfarmwines.com/Kyle for your wine subscription PLUS an extra bottle for a penny ($.01)

Welcome, everybody, to today's show. We have another fire episode that is sure to stretch your mind. I don't always plan on throwing the kitchen sink at you, but this one was too good to resist. Del Bigtree from The High Wire with Del Bigtree is our guest today on today's show. His YouTube channel was recently taken away from him. So again, who is controversial? Who is pushing the envelope of what we currently know and think about the world at large? And in this case, what we currently think and know about Western medicine. Delby Tree was a producer on

the show, The Doctors out in California, and was consistently bringing on guests that were pushing the envelope in the alternative and functional medicine space. Eventually this led him to want to seek out and understand things on a much deeper level. We talk vaccines, we talk all sorts of stuff on this episode and we go really, really deep. And there's a ton more information you can get over at his website, which we'll link to in the show notes. And of course, his podcast, which is still available everywhere. Del Bigtree's High Wire is phenomenal. One of the best episodes I've ever seen was a YouTube video he had done with Dr. Zach Bush. And they had some incredible video overlays. It's super unfortunate that's gone.

I think it might be available on his website. But long story short, this episode is fire. And as I mentioned before, Mickey's episode, table your inner critic for 24 hours. And as you listen to this, let it sink in. And then as you want to know more, go through his website. There is a ton of science there, a ton of medical doctors, and a ton of people that are supporting anything and everything that he's talking to me about on this podcast. And now more than ever, probably pretty important to become educated on these issues. So check this one out. I know you guys are going to dig it. And then anything that you vibe with or don't vibe with, hit me up at living with the Kingsbury's in the DMS. And we can take this conversation a little bit further. There are a number of ways you can support this podcast.

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You'll see my beautiful mug up there. And without further ado, my good friend and somebody who I've learned a lot from over the years, Del Bigtree. Perfect. Well, thanks for making it out to the house. I know we had some adjustments

to make on the fly here, but it making it out to the house. I know we had some adjustments to make on the fly here, but it's awesome to get you here. And you've been somebody that I've learned from for a long time. You've been a truth teller, a truth seeker. I really can't thank you enough to be perfectly honest. uh i i talked about this i don't want to mention too much about uh you know our kids or any of that stuff but i have met you in a in a in a spot locally alongside mickey willis and it was you know just like man i'm in the twilight zone right now like this is so cool this is such a cool experience that here we are and um you know one of the one of the things that I sent to more people than I could possibly imagine was the YouTube video you did with Dr. Zach Bush.

Yeah. High wire. Yeah. And such a powerful gripping video. Yeah. Really powerful. But let's backtrack and then we'll bring us up to speed. Sure. You were a producer for CBS?

Yeah. So I started out and was in Hollywood, had a screenplay, was running around directing music videos and things like that. And I kind of backed my way into daytime talk. I had a friend, started out with a friend, just called me. I mean, I was out shooting man on the street interviews and things like that. And a buddy called and said, hey, you know, look, I know you're looking for work. You want to come? We need an extra camera guy for the Dr. Phil show.

So I was like, sure. Yeah. So that's how it all kind of started. You know how life is what happens while you're making plans, you know? So I started out freelance with Dr. Phil. Over the couple of years, I ended up on staff as a field producer. So I was flying around for Dr. Phil, interviewing all these incredibly outrageous stories and families. And then Dr. Phil created this show with his son called The Doctors Medical.

It was the first ever real medical talk show with a panel of four doctors. And so I was in at the very beginning of that. In fact, I was teamed up with the brand new executive producer that was going to sort of run that show. And I was the field producer running around and for the first time seeing how would we shoot surgeries. So, I was in shooting surgeries, all to try and develop how that show would work. And so, it was pretty cool. And so, I spent six years on The Doctors. I won an Emmy Award as a producer on that show, celebrating the best that science has to offer, you know, best cutting-edge techniques, new surgeries, new technologies, even drugs, things like that.

And so, but while doing that show, what was, there's seven producers that make a show like, at least on, on the doctors. So you have to, you know, you have to make enough episodes to fill a year. So we'd shoot about seven episodes a week, and I was one of the more controversial producers. If you ask the legal team for the doctors, the head lawyer would always joke at the cast party. She's like, you cost us a fortune. I was like, what do you mean? She's like, well, I mean, you're always challenging big business, huge industries. I was always doing shows that really ask questions. Anytime where there's a company making billions of dollars like Merck or Pfizer or Monsanto, and they had a product that was just being touted

as just great for humanity, I'm a little skeptical. And so I would investigate stories like that. And so I did a lot of things that were controversial on that line. And because of that, I had inside sources, doctors and surgeons and people that were maybe not fully, were aware that there was issues in every establishment. And that's sort of what changed my life.

What happened was I ended up having a doctor I'd worked with reached out to me and said, you remember when we were having that conversation about autism and vaccines? And and said, you remember when we were having that conversation about autism and vaccines? And I said, yeah. He said, and you said that the doctors would never cover that story because the doctors believe that vaccines don't cause autism as a show principle.

I was like, right. And I had said to him at that time, look, I'm always interested in a good story. And if this is something that you're focused on if there's a big change if something happens that really changes that story let me know um because i'm you know i'm certainly interested in it and so he said well i'm calling you that was a year ago we talked like there's a huge thing that's about to take place what's that he said there's a whistleblower inside of the centers for disease control and prevention that is about to come forward and tell the world that they've committed scientific fraud on the vaccine safety studies

and specifically the MMR autism studies that were done between 2000 and 2004 at the CDC. And I said, okay, that's, I mean, it's a huge story, right? And for any journalist, doesn't matter who you are, I don't, I mean, I don't know. For me, I just thought that's the biggest medical story in my lifetime. If that's true, if the CDC, probably the biggest health agency in the world, the most powerful health agency in America, if they've been lying to the people and vaccines actually cause autism and there's now a scientist inside that's going to give us proof. It doesn't get bigger than that. And so I went and pitched that to my executive producers.

And they basically laughed, said, are you effing crazy? We are not going to do a story that challenges the CDC. They're friends of ours. They let us in behind the scenes when there's a flu outbreak. And Pfizer and Sanofi and all of these. Merck, we do commercials for them. We get funding from them. This is just not a story you're going to cover, Dallas.

Okay. And I suppose, I mean, I remember calling my AP, my associate producer, into the room. And I said, look, I want you to follow this story i want i want you to watch she was young just out of college basically really sharp um girl and i said um i want you to watch something this story may break in about two weeks i'm told this guy's going to come out online he's going to break this story watch and see how many people actually report on it you're about to watch something really crazy. This story is as big as I think it is.

It should be mainstream news. It should be everywhere. Just track what happens. And sort of as I suspected, it came out. This guy's online. There's recorded interviews where he's saying, I can't believe we did what we did. We hid statistically significant information. Every time I see a child with autism

i feel guilty you know um and crickets nobody covered it i mean i was shocked nobody even cnn had i report at that time where someone you know you could just report things on cnn's website that you thought were interesting somebody put the story up on i reportort and CNN took it down and I realized even more than I had recognized prior to then that this is there's a big cover-up going on for some reason this is a story that just can't be told now I might not have pursued that story except that at that same time this is sort of that this is where my spiritual and my working life sort of collide at times, you know, when you find yourselves in a position. I was really, you know, struggling with the fact that I was working on a show. I was super interested by a whistleblower story that I had to jump on.

I even said to my executive producers, I want you to know that I had this story before anybody else. I mean, we may not do it, but if it breaks out somewhere else, just know that I was here first. But I get a call in my office one day. This is a few weeks later. And I had a – there's like seven segments in an episode of a show. And one of my segments had dropped out. The story didn't pan out. So, we had pulled it from my show.

And it had to air in two days. And so, sometimes there'll be extra segments being recorded, and I get a call from the stage at Paramount Studios, and they say, come on over to the stage. We're taping a piece that's going to go into your show for release. It's like, okay, so I run over, and you're just going to make really quick notes so you can edit it really quick and just throw it right into your show. So I go over the stage and out walks onto the stage Senator Richard Pan, who sits down with Travis Stork, and I think it was one of the other doctors, and starts pitching this law that he's written, SB 277, that's going to take the rights away from all parents who don't vaccinate their children, that any child that's going to be in a public or private school is going to have to be vaccinated. And I was watching that.

And to be perfectly transparent now is I wasn't vaccinated as a child. I wasn't vaccinating my kids. And it wasn't that I had some deep scientific understanding of it. It was just how I was raised. I was healthy, seemed fine, you know what I mean? And that's how I was going to raise my kids. We didn't have aspirin in my house. We don't have Tylenol. I'm just not a drug person. I really was raised with more natural health. So I was sitting watching Senator Pan pitch this story. And for me personally, that's the end of my world. I'm the last of the Mohicans.

This guy is saying, people like you will not be allowed on this planet any longer and certainly my kids it's going to close out on them they won't be in schools and and then ultimately take away their rights to not be injected with you know is what i see as toxic chemicals and um and that's really what lit the fire i sat there in that moment thinking, there's no way this is going into a show with my name on it. I mean, I'll quit today if they force me. I mean, I had a really great relationship

with my executive producers, but I just was thinking to myself, if for some weird reason, they're just set on putting this in my show, I'm going to have to really lay out that it'll never happen. I ended up talking my way out of it in about 30 seconds. I just said, that was like 10 minutes long.

I have a two-minute spot. There's no reason to pack that into my show. They said, oh, yeah, you're a good point. We'll find something else. But just from that moment on, I really started feeling like I was out of place. And I really had a moral objection for the first time to the principle of the show. Up until that point, love what I did. They let me sort of challenge from the inside, brought in all sorts of stories of acupuncture instead of anesthesia. And I was

really venturing, pushing the envelope for a medical talk show into that sort of more functional medicine space and having fun doing it. But this was eating at me. And I finally, one day I was sitting in my office and I really just was overcome. I'd been doing a lot of work over the years. I'd always felt like there was something I was supposed to be doing, that I was on this earth for a purpose.

And I think that's partly socialized me. My parents raised me. I was meditating at five years old. And, you know, there was a lot. My father's a new age minister, but meditation was a really big part of our lives. And they raised me to believe that I could make a difference in the world.

So I think those things, you know, add into that. But I just, even with this great job and winning Emmy Awards, there was something I was supposed to be doing that wasn't it. My friends would complain. They'd say, you know, Del, why are you complaining? I mean, dude, you've got the like successful life. You have an Emmy Award in your house. I mean, so it's not that I'm not appreciative. I'm just, there's something I'm supposed to be doing and I'm not doing it yet. I haven't found what that thing is exactly. And so, I was sitting in my office in the middle of all of these stories going, and Senator Richard Pan was running with this law through California.

And I really just prayed. I sat in my office and really got clear, sat and meditated, and I just held the thought. I'm so appreciative for my life. I have a house now. It was looking grim for many years, waited tables forever trying to get things to happen. Now I have a family. I've got kids, a house. My life is very blessed. just said, you know, God, I feel like I'm supposed to be doing something about the destruction of

freedom for people that believe in natural health. I feel like I'm supposed to be telling this whistleblower story, and I'm in the one place I can't touch either of these stories. And yet, I have all this ability to make science make sense to people, to really get to the bottom of this in a way that nobody knows how, coming from a natural health place that nobody knows about, but having really understood the science, you know, and I just felt like I'm supposed to be in there. And I just held the thought, show me the way, you know, I need vision right now. And 30 seconds later, my phone rings in my office. And it's this publicist who I'd met a couple of times. And she said, hi, this is Donna. I said, yeah, hi. She says, do you know who Dr. Andy Wakefield is? And I said, yes. Now, for people that don't know who that is, that's like the big, probably the most controversial doctor in the world. He's the famous doctor in England, the British doctor that first made this accusation that the MMR vaccine was causing autism. He had his career stripped from him. He lost his license. I mean, it's one of the biggest stories around this vaccine issue there is. And so I said, yeah, I know who he is. She said, would you like to meet him? I said, yes, definitely. Now, I didn't know what

this guy was like. I'd heard all the stories everyone else had. He lied, he committed fraud on the famous study, all of these things. But I still always thought it's weird that this guy's name comes up every time this vaccine discussion happens. He's like the longest running news story in the history of the world. I've never seen one person blamed for we are now 10 years out from whatever that fraudulent study was yet every time even Senator Richard Pan coming on the show. Any question about could a vaccine be dangerous? They always say, well, that that was that British doctor as though there's only one man on the planet that's ever questioned it. Never made sense. And I always wanted to, I just thought to myself, I want to

meet that guy. I have to meet that guy. I'll know when I meet him whether or not what they say about him is true. So, it was really, I was kind of excited. And Donna says to me, she's like, well, he's going to be here in three days. He's doing a meeting in the Hollywood Hills, very private event. I have to know that you're going to show up. And I said, Donna, if you knew when you just called me, you would know I would skip a family wedding to be there today. Like, I mean, this is beyond uncanny. I really was like, this is it.

Something's happening. Something really powerful is about to happen. So I went to this meeting. I immediately had done my research. I saw Andy's wife. I ran over and said, hi, I'm Del Bigtree. I'm a producer on the Daytime Talks with the Doctors. I really would like to speak with Dr. Wakefield.

And she later laughed and said, you know, we were told that there's going to be a Hollywood producer at this. His name's Del Bigtree, but he doesn't want anyone to know who he is or what's going on. And she's like, and as soon as he met me, he just blurred out. I work for CBS from Paramount Studios. So anyway, I met Andy. We started talking in the backyard about vaccines. And I don't know if you've ever met Andy. I have not.

Oh, you should get him on to do an interview too. But he's one of these people that takes about maybe two minutes max before you realize this is one of the most beautiful human beings you're ever going to meet. One of the smartest people you'll ever meet. And just grounded and connected and soft-spoken and brilliant. And I was just totally taken and thought, oh, this whole thing's a hoax. This guy's the real deal. And so I was talking to him. He said, yeah, you got to stop these vaccine laws here in California. This is really, really dangerous for humanity, for children. And then somebody walks over.

We were like 45 minutes. We're talking and there's a line gathering. People are are getting pissed whatever the 50 people that were there to meet him i don't know why they're there i just the he's in some backyard and you know hollywood so somebody runs over and says hey andy you got to do your pitch and i was like pitch what are they talking about and so he gets literally up all like a soapbox in this backyard and he starts talking about sp277 i was like you're right that makes sense. And he starts talking about SB 277. I was like, you're right, that makes sense. He's against this law and you really have to do something to stop it. And then he said, the reason I'm here is I'm working on a film that I really think can make a

difference on this. For the last year, I have been working with the recorded interviews of Dr. William Thompson, the whistleblower at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that's just come forward and said they're committing scientific fraud in vaccine safety studies. I mean, you can't imagine, you really can't describe a moment like that. You've seen it in movies, right? It's like the clouds part, the sunbeam comes down and hits you. There's that focus pole where the whole background goes blurry and you're standing there thinking, I mean, I knew something was up when I got the call. This guy is making a documentary about the whistleblower, the guy I wanted to, like I said, I want to be in on that. And so I remember thinking when he finished up, you know, Del, you know, those people that come up to you and they say, I had a dream. I had a dream that we were going to do something together.

But, you know, you immediately think this person's a lunatic. And I just thought to myself, don't be that guy. And so he came walking in the yard. I said, Andy, look, I'm really interested in your film where is it at what do you need and he said well i'm almost finished i need a music soundtrack and i really need a distribution company that will put it out i said okay so the next day i called the one musician that you know does taryn you know does soundtracks for terrence Malick and is like a really high caliber. And just said, would you ever consider putting music into a documentary about vaccinations?

And he said, oh, you mean those things that are killing our children? I said, that's all I need to know. I'll call you back. And then I called this distribution company, Cinema Libre, that I had danced with for years. We'd almost made movies several times and I'd hooked other friends up, but they were just the one company they had made out Fox. They were not afraid of taking on controversial issues, Rupert Murdoch, all of these things. And I called them and said, would you ever consider a documentary directed by Dr. Andy Wakefield about vaccinations and a whistleblower at the CDC? And they said, Del, if you're involved in it, we'll look at it.

And, you know, obviously those, you know, we'll have to see. That's a very controversial topic. We're not afraid of it. And so I called Andy and said, I think I can deliver both those things, but I have to see this film. And so he said, well, fly down as soon as you, but I have to see this film. And so, he said, well, fly down as soon as you're ready. You can stay at my house. And two days later, I'm at his house in his basement, and I was watching this hour and 45-minute documentary at that point. And that feeling I'd had my whole life that I was supposed to do something was suddenly, you know, validated. In that moment,

I watched this documentary that really needed, it was clearly made by a brilliant scientist, but I just thought no one's going to watch this. This is too deep in the weeds. It's every single detail, this case, everything this guy said all the science behind and i just thought there's a i you know i am actually perfectly designed and i thought in the moment i don't think there's anyone on earth that is more perfectly designed to do what this film needs than me um and it wasn't like an ego space. It was just, here I am a filmmaker that backs his way into medical television, something no one's ever done. I'm one of the best producers at it. I edit, I shoot, I do all the things myself. And now this film needed to be able to get through to people.

And so, I ended up spending a year with Andy, to his credit, he let me really cut it apart and rework it. And, of course, that became Vaxxed. We got accepted into the Tribeca Film Festival. And then we got unceremoniously kicked out even after Robert De Niro came forward and said, I have a child with autism. Everyone should see this film. And so that really set my life into a totally different course where now all of a sudden I was in front of the cameras, not behind them and traveling the country, you know, talking about this whistleblower, talking about the fraud at the CDC. And I had, we bought a bus that had vaxed written on the side

of it. And parents started writing names. we started numbering each name that wrote like the child that had died from a vaccine or had been injured by a vaccine or maybe someone that had been injured themselves and so this became this traveling memorial as we made our way around the country screening the film at theaters that sometimes we bombed threats sometimes the theater would cancel at the last minute i mean it was the most controversial film in the world and i'd never you know when you dream of being a filmmaker i never dreamt that when i i thought i was going to like do comedies or action flicks or something like that i didn't know i was going to have a film that would be being attacked by mainstream media on a constant basis and doctors saying i was

killing children and things like that but um as we traveled the country very early on, there was several blessings. The technology changed. Periscope on Twitter, where you could shoot live video as though you were a broadcaster. I think that came out like the day our film came out. And somebody came up and said, you should start just documenting your travel with this film.

Interview parents that are having similar situations. And so that's what we did. We started documenting all these parents that were seeing the film that want to tell their story about the vaccine injury in their family. Thousands and thousands of recorded interviews. And as we were traveling the country, I recognized it wasn't just the MMR vaccine. There were parents saying my child died right after a flu shot or my daughter was paralyzed after her HPV Gardasil vaccine. Two days, three days after, couldn't walk. She was a star athlete. All of these stories piling up.

And I was doing Q&As every night after every screening. And the same question kept coming up. Del, is it only the MMR vaccine, which is all this film is really about? Or is it, are there other vaccines? Is there a safe vaccine? And I didn't have an answer to that question. And so that's when I started about the end of 2016. Our film released April of 2016.

By the end of 2016, I wanted answers and I wanted to get back into a deeper investigation. So I started my nonprofit, the Informed Consent Action Network. Part of it was I met a lawyer that really saw the, people don't recognize, many people don't know you can't sue a vaccine at all. It is totally protected from liability. So you can't sue the manufacturer if the product injures you or someone in your family. You can't sue the doctor that delivers it. You can't sue the hospital. You can't sue the drugstore.

If you go to your local CVS and they injure you with the vaccine, even by giving it to you the wrong way, you can't sue anybody. And so that protection makes it really hard to get to the bottom of what's in the safety and so i met a lawyer that had a way around some of that had really been thinking about this for several years and so we really teamed up to both have a legal strategy so we could really get the information and an investigation into what was going on and i've been at that now for four, over four years. I think I'm the only journalist in the world that I know of that's ever been

this focused on one product. I mean, we look at drugs. I've, you know, I've of course report on Monsanto and glyphosate and talcum powder and Johnson and Johnson, but really we've been focused on vaccines and even more specifically on one

word. We hear that vaccines are safe and effective. I had one question. Johnson, but really we've been focused on vaccines. And even more specifically on one word, we hear that vaccines are safe and effective. I had one question, are vaccines safe and how have they proven that they're safe? What is the science behind saying they're safe? And so that has been our quest to answer that question for the last four years. I now have a team of scientists all around the world. I have legal teams all around. I brought over two producers from CBS to do a weekly talk show that I've been doing for the last three years called The High Wire to show the world what we found.

And we've won currently multiple lawsuits against U.S. government health agencies. We've won a lawsuit against the CDC, against the FDA, National Institute of Health, Health and Human Services. We're deeply involved in some lawsuits right now as we speak. We've even affected the vaccine trials of the COVID-19 vaccine. Just two months ago, we put forward a petition to the FDA and said, our nonprofit will not accept the statement of safety, essentially. If you make a statement, this vaccine is safe, we will come out against you.

If you do not have a saline placebo group, a true placebo in your third phase three trials, then we will deem that this vaccine is not safe. Now, remember, most people say, well, why do they care? Well, because we've already won a lawsuit against them. We've won against the CDC. The world's now starting to recognize the work that we're doing, and it's problematic for them. And within, I think, two to three days, Moderna, all of a sudden, like two days later, we saw a headline, Moderna stopping its phase three trial at the moment because of some mix-up with the FDA.

And then the FDA came forward and said there's going to be a one-to-one. One group will get the vaccine, and the other group will get a saline placebo for the phase three trials. 30,000 people, 15,000 people are getting saline placebos. And so, you know, people will say I'm anti-vaccine, but the truth is I'm just trying to get good science to be done. That's the gold standard for safety. The only way to establish safety in a pharmaceutical product is one group in a trial has to get the product and the other group has got to get an inert placebo. If it's a pill, it's a sugar pill. If it's an injection, it's a saline injection. And what we had proven by the time this pandemic started was that no childhood vaccine that we give our children, the 16 vaccines given in about 72 doses by the time you're 18, not one childhood vaccine had ever established safety using a double-blind saline placebo-controlled study.

So they bypassed the gold standard of establishing safety. Amongst many other problems, that's the big one and so our children are part of a giant human experiment um and that experiment was never properly started it should have happened after you proved it was safe using placebos they never did and so people will say well yeah but they are safe We've been using them for years and years and years. This is the argument the CDC will make. Well, we don't need to have done those studies. Now we've been using vaccines for so long, they've proven to be safe.

And I say, really? Because that's not what we see when we look at the health of our children. If we had the healthiest children in the world, as the United States of America, we're about the most vaccinated, then I'd say, okay, maybe vaccines proved to be safe. Or if we had the healthiest generation of children we'd ever seen in America, okay, all these excess vaccines, they must have a benefit. But we see the opposite. One of the things that I point out as I speak around the country is chronic illness rate was 12.8% in 1980s. In the 1980s, we were getting 11 vaccines total by the time we were 18. If you were born before 1986, then you got about, you know, 11, 10, 11 vaccines for your entire childhood, all the way up to 18.

After 1986, after they took away liability, now it was a boom for the industry. Now our children are getting 72 vaccines. In that same exact time period, we went from 12%, 12.8% chronic illness, meaning either a neurological or an autoimmune disease, a permanent lifelong disability in our children. 12.8% in the 1980s. Now that we give 72 vaccines by the time you're 18, that's gone up to 54% of our children in America have a chronic illness, either a permanent neurological disorder or an autoimmune disease. That is the greatest decline in human health in recorded history. We have never seen a population decline to the point where they cannot live on this planet.

We're talking about deadly peanut allergies that didn't exist when we were kids. Asthma in one in six to one in 10 children. One in six children has a speech delay. One in four children is leaving elementary school on a drug they're going to be on the rest of their lives. We have more babies die on the first day of life in the United States of America than every other industrialized nation combined. Anyone can look up, and these are all CDC stats,

more babies die on the first day of life, yet we're one of the only nations that gives a hepatitis B vaccine within the first 24 hours of life. You know, that doesn't make sense. Which is for intravenous drug use or sexual activity. Correct. It's the only way that can be transmitted.

This is, and by the way, a vaccine that we know doesn't last more than seven years. So, I don't know about you, but my infant is not going to be sleeping with prostitutes inside of the first seven years of their lives. Hopefully never, but… That'd be a hell of an experience. That'd be a hell, you experience you know i mean outrageous so um we have more women die during pregnancy in the united states of america than 20 other richest nations in the world and we give flu shots and d-tap vaccines now to pregnant women which was 10 years ago 15 years ago you knew to never give a vaccine to a pregnant woman that her immune system is basically shut

down so that the body doesn't fight the fetus they're in a very vulnerable position now you're inciting their immune system into action it makes absolutely no sense so those are the things and i've been talking you haven't asked i mean i just kind of went on a rant there you know softball that was incredible but um so that's what you know really the background of what what puts me in the middle of this conversation so much there um yeah one of the things that was coming up for me was with uh dr thomas cowan who who you know is is uh you know somebody i've been following and somebody that, you know, very well. He wrote a book, which I, I think I briefly mentioned in the podcast I just did with Mickey for people

who was, you know, that was the first time I'd ever spoken on the podcast about not vaccinating our children. Okay. And, you know, we, I think I made a post five years ago on Facebook and that was the first time I got, you know, a boatload of outrage and people who have been programmed from Western medicine to sing a certain narrative. And through all of the shit, we realized, all right, we're going to avoid that topic. We'll keep that to ourselves. We'll push natural medicine and different books like the Nourishing Traditions Book of Child and Baby Care, Sally Fallon and Thomas Cowan, which is excellent.

It gives natural remedies, things like that. One of the things I mentioned, as I was mentioning that in Facebook, what was surprising to me outside of the amount of shit people were spewing on Facebook was how many DMs we got from people thanking us, saying their kids have been injured. I was floored. I mean, just on a daily basis, we'd read one and just tears would start flowing, like really powerful stuff. And still, because of that, still avoided it, even though we knew it was something that was important,

at least for us, right? And that unanswerable question that seems unanswerable from so many people that i would propose is if your kids are vaccinated and the vaccine works what are you worried about yeah my kid can't get your kid sick but that's not a narrative we're diving into that's there seems to be cognitive dissonance when it comes to answering that question for people well they they've gotten around that question i mean they changed they moved the goalposts let's say on that and because that that argument used to work

when i mean growing up not being vaccinated myself you know back i'm 50 years old now so when i was going into high school you know the high school i remember sitting in the meeting with the principal. My high school, you know, principal said, well, we have a vaccine mandate here in Colorado. And, you know, he needs to be vaccinated to go to the school. They were looking at my records. And she said, yeah, but, you know, we have exemptions. He said, well, I don't know that we want to accept an exemption. And she says, well, let me ask you this. If your vaccines work and all the kids in the school are vaccinated, then what risk is my son to the rest of the children in the school?

And he didn't have an answer for that, right? He just thought, yeah, I guess you're right. And on into school I went. And I'd seen that work several times. In fact, that worked for everybody for decades. About 10 years ago, I think that that was getting to be a bigger and bigger problem. And there was more and more people starting to really question because there was such a decline in health. So many people now knew somebody that had an autistic child or someone that had a child with multiple sclerosis or leukemia. I mean, it's just like, and parents saying this all started right after this one vaccine or something. So I think they went to the drawing boards and said, we've got to get around this statement. If your vaccines work, then what risk is my child to yours?

And that's when they really commandeered this idea of herd immunity, community immunity. And that, well, it's not the children that are vaccinated we have to worry about. It's those that can't be vaccinated. Those that are so immune compromised or the infants that can't be vaccinated as infants, they're the ones at risk from your child not being vaccinated. And so it became about really the sickest among us are now going to force all of us to be vaccinated so that we can protect that immune-suppressed child. And it was really new. It's really a brand new argument that is inside of the last 10 years.

And it was brilliant. It's hard to, it was hard to argue against, right? Well, I mean, okay, yeah, you do have children now. And by the way, as I pointed out, 54% of America's children now have autoimmune disease or neurological disorders. So inside of that are some really sick children and so ironically these children that you could argue and there's a lot of science shows that they are this immune compromised because of the vaccine program now the rest of the children have to be vaccinated in order to protect them

um and so and you're seeing that now with covet right? This is the new mindset is that you have to wear a mask. We know you're not, your chance of getting, dying from COVID-19 is like 0.00004. But there is that quarter of 1% that do die. And so it's your responsibility to wear a mask, your responsibility to keep six feet away, your responsibility to lock down because of their health. And that's a huge shift in mindset. That's just the last 10 years. It's affecting all of us right now. I'm personally responsible for your health, you know, even more than my own because we know wearing masks isn't healthy. You should be breathing all the oxygen you can get. In fact, you want to be taking all the microbes and bacteria into your immune system, constantly priming your immune system. You're a guy that works out.

Can you imagine suddenly being mandated to not go to a gym or do yoga for an entire year? That's what we're doing in our immune systems right now. We're being told, no, let it atrophy. You're not allowed to incite your immune system to do its job. All of that stems out of that change in that discussion. And, you know, this is the thing with doing a podcast. I could talk to you for, you know, 60 hours straight on every topic you want to bring up. But in the end, it's a lie.

What I want to say is we have to look at California. You ran from California. So did I. I'm now in Texas. Senator Pan kept, you know, he has an agenda and California has an agenda and they're showing you where this all leads. At first, it's we have to pass SB 277 to protect the immune suppressed child. Well, then they pass that and then next comes SB 276. And what is that? That's an immediate audit and review of any doctor that writes a medical exemption for an immune-suppressed child. And that just passed, I think, I'm losing track of time, but like a year, about a year, year and a half ago in California, everyone was revolting against it, you know, especially all these parents of immune-suppressed children. You are going to make it impossible for me to find a doctor

to write an exemption so that my child who will be injured by a vaccine can be protected from that program. And that's exactly what they did. There was one group that called and recorded 800, I believe it was, different pediatricians saying, my child meets all the CDC requirements for an immune compromised position that they just need an exemption. Can I bring my child in and have you write an exemption from the vaccine program? 800, over 800 pediatricians all said, we don't write exemptions in our practice. Because this law made it that you will be under review. You will be audited the second you write one of these. And so, the very guy, Senator Richard Panda, said, oh, we're all giving up our rights to control what's injected into our body because the immune-suppressed child then passes a law immediately after that stopping any doctor from writing an exemption for the immune-suppressed child.

Because the truth is, and I can go into a million stories why they don't actually believe that story. It's a total lie. It's an absolute sales pitch. They believe everyone should be vaccinated. In fact, one of the lawsuits we got involved with, I don't know if you remember, there's a young boy that was in Florida. His family had been through chemo because of cancer, severe chemo in New York. His parents had had enough. He had finished his cycle of chemo. So they ran to Florida to get away from the doctor and the whole system in New York. And the doctors found out they wanted to bring him back in for a second round or third round of chemo. They found out he'd left the state and they literally got child protective services involved, found him in Florida and they extricated the kid away from the parents, back up to

New York so that he could get more chemo. I think he was like 12 or 13, something like that, if I remember correctly, beyond the parents' wishes. And the kid didn't want any more chemo therapy either. And he was not showing any cancer in his body at that point because of the chemo he'd already had. But they said, but our protocol is to do another round of chemo. And so it was really interesting in that court case before

they would do the chemo they wanted to give him a flu shot this is a kid that has no white blood cells whatsoever he has no immune system you have wiped it out with chemotherapy and the parents contacted us the non-profit um and uh and our lawyer who's really great at dealing with these situations they said we can't a flu shot's going to kill him. And so we went in and argued in court on just that one issue saying, you know, sir, you know, to the judge, if this child does not represent that immune suppressed child that cannot be vaccinated, then who does?

And the court ruled in the kid's favor, said, no, that's a really good point. You know what? As far as I know, the oncologist refused to do any more chemo on a kid that wouldn't get a flu shot. So, it kind of had a double bonus result. But that just shows you the mindset, right? In his mind, his immune system is going to be so shot by the chemo, he has to get a flu shot in order to protect himself. I'm not saying these people are – they're just – their thinking is really totally backwards. So, but that's sort of the history of that line.

It's not about the other children. And by the way, you know, I could go into measles stats. We all look to the big measles outbreak in California, the Disneyland outbreak. We now know that 37% of the cases that were tested, tested positive for the measles because they had vaccine-strained measles. So, 37% of the cases came from the vaccine. Over 50% of them were adults, meaning their vaccines had worn off, their childhood vaccines. So, the vaccine isn't working. It's also causing measles. And so, all of these things are what we are now suing in court.

We're really involved now. And there's a lot of lies around vaccinations. Many of these vaccinations actually do not stop the spread of the virus, which is the entire purpose of a forced vaccination program is to protect the immune suppressed child we now know and one of the cases we're really deep in is in the DTaP vaccine diphtheria tetanus and acellular pertussis it is now a known scientific fact based on studies done in 2017 that the pertussis vaccine does not stop transmission in animal studies, they've shown that when they give baboons, for instance, the vaccine, the only thing it does is stop them from having a cough.

The next time they come in contact with pertussis, their body colonizes it, colonizes in their lungs. They're spewing and spitting it, sneezing it all over all the other baboons. They'll put a healthy baboon in. That baboon always gets pertussis from the vaccinated baboon. The only thing it does is take away the symptom. And that's really problematic if you think about it.

Okay, great. I don't want to have a cough. So it protects me from having that cough, but it doesn't protect me from being infected. I am still fully infected. Now, we have a lawsuit right now against glaxo smith klein for false advertising people have seen have you seen the ads in readers digest and some on tv where grandma wants to visit the baby and grandma's holding the baby and suddenly her she turns into the big bad wolf it's the big bad wolf uh advertising campaign and the idea being and

every grandparent knows this is happening the the grandparents are told, you're not allowed to visit our baby, your grandchild, until you get a DTaP vaccine to protect the baby from pertussis. And so, here's what's ironic. All the vaccine does is stop you from having a cough, meaning all it does is take away the alarm that lets you know you are sick. It makes you now unaware that you are contagious. And so, whereas if your grandparents hadn't gotten the vaccine, they're going to call you and say, you know what, honey, you know, grandpa and grandma over here, we got a cough, not feeling so hot. We're not going to come over the house and visit the baby until this passes. That would be normally what happens. Now, grandma and grandpa have no idea that they are carrying pertussis because the only thing they don't have is the cough. They come over and visit the baby.

They are essentially silent assassins. You don't want your six-week-old baby getting pertussis. Let's be perfectly clear about this. But the vaccine can't protect them and you can't get the vaccine because it's too dangerous for the baby. And so now you've done the opposite of what you should have done. Now you've just made everybody silent, contagious killers everywhere they go. And then it goes a step further. A study now, the known science as of 2019, is not only does it not stop transmission, if you get the DTaP vaccine, and these are Boston University studies. People can go to my website and see all this. If you get the DTaP vaccine, they now know that you are primed. The vaccine's made a mistake. It went after the wrong part of the immunity. And so, if you get the vaccine, you will get pertussis virtually every time you come in contact with it, meaning our children who,

they say, have been primed by vaccine will experience pertussis infection more throughout their lives compared to a child who never got the vaccine, and there's no way to undo that mistake. So, we're trying to get that vaccine. We're in court suing in multiple different places saying that vaccine cannot be mandated upon children. It doesn't work and it makes children more sick throughout their lives. It must be stopped. And what's scary is the CDC knows this. The FDA knows this and yet they still give that terrible vaccine to children five times by the time you're in your childhood. So these are just some of the things that we're really focused on right now.

Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot that I'm trying to keep in my random access memory and short-term bandwidth. I think one of the things that really was shocking to me was being born in 1982 and having been fully vaccinated. My wife was not. I had grown up with kids with autism. And then, you know, you hear about Andrew Wakefield and start diving into these things. I started diving into this before we had Bear as just like, let me, I've heard enough. I've heard enough rumblings from people that I find to be authentic truth seekers and voices within health and wellness.

You know, from Dr. Joseph Mercola to Paul Cech to many, many people that have been on the show and people that I've learned from, let me dive deeper. And as I dove deeper, it really became a numbers game, right? And so like going from 10 or 11 vaccines to 72, that's a big deal. Also looking at just Western medicine in general you know they've got it seems like they're literally creating diseases to to create the pharmaceutical for it like i've never heard of fucking restless leg syndrome right till late at night like are you having trouble with a shaky leg at night yeah you know like take this pill we'll make it go away and

it's like oh well if your nervous system is fried from injecting this shit and you don't eat healthy and all of that's tied into this as well. Yes. Monsanto and big agriculture is the same fucking arm. It is. Well, look at Bayer. I mean, Bayer owns Monsanto now, right? So, pharma and big ag have both come together. And now you're watching Silicon Valley move in, become a pharmaceutical company, too.

It's really scary. You know, the merging of these industries, making them into too big to fail right yeah yeah and i'm thinking about that i'm thinking about you know the sheer numbers and the fact that you know rudolph steiner a hundred years ago had said they will create a vaccine for everything yeah right so like where does it end well it doesn't actually end. There's going to be the next important thing. There's going to be the new past COVID-19. There's just going to be a vaccine for something regular, like some regular childhood illness. There's going to be a vaccine for allergies. There's going to be a vaccine for seasonal shit that we all deal with that actually,

when our body learns and goes through that, we get better on the other side of that. There's a reason they used to have chicken pox parties where they'd invite every kid in town over to the kid who had chicken pox. Let's go through this together. Let's all get it at the same time. And when we come out of this on the other side, not only do we have lifelong immunity to chicken pox, but our chances of cancer go down. Our chances of a host of different diseases actually improve because the challenge we went through actually strengthened us for life. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny you just said that. I do so much talking. I was like, right, there's that cancer point. The fact all the studies, I was like, I haven't used that talking

point in a really long time. Every once in a while, I'm just like, right, it's a really good point, right? Huge studies, tens of thousands of people in studies showing if a woman gets chickenpox and measles as a child naturally, then it's a reduction cuts. I think it's cervical cancer in half. No, ovarian cancer. Ovarian cancer cervical cancer in half. You know, no, ovarian cancer. Ovarian cancer is cut in half. Heart disease is cut by the most modest science shows at least 10%. 650,000 people die every year from heart disease in America. If you cut that by 10%, you just save 65,000 people, right?

Just because you let them get measles and mumps as a child. So, those are huge points. And it also shows you how beautiful the human immune system works, right? By blocking a natural experience of infection in our children, we see dire consequences further on in their lives. Vulnerabilities to cancers, multiple sclerosis, diabetes. There's a really, to go off on another tangent, I know you're playing it one but I got in a lot of trouble because I'm followed by a lot of anti-vaxxers on my show, The High Wire.

But there was a scientist out of Boston who was doing studies using a BCG vaccine, this tuberculosis vaccine, to cure type 1 diabetes. And I was fascinated. I read her articles and her studies, and it was really interesting that, you know, BCG is a very simple, raw vaccine.

It doesn't have adjuvants and some of the things that I really don't like in vaccines. Yeah, all that. And what was interesting about the story was the makers of BCG stopped making it in the middle of her trials. Almost like they were trying to keep her from – I mean, BCG vaccine is cheap. It's like a couple bucks a pop. She would give two BCG vaccines in one month. And then three years later, type 1 diabetes, the body just recovers and stops having an issue.

So, I mean, we're talking about a real cure for diabetes. So, the FDA stopped or the company stopped making the vaccine. So, she learned how to make it and built the company to make the vaccine so she could continue her trials. And then I was reading the FDA is attacking her cdc is attacking her on this approach now as soon as i started seeing pharmaceutical entities attacking a scientist now i'm really curious and so i had her on the show and um brought her on and i and i probably pushed it too far my ad was is dell found a vaccine he likes and i swear my my you know three quarters of my audience was just you know commenting away how could you this is it this is proof that dell

you know works for the other side it's controlled opposition it was always about vaccines he was lying to us but i mean i was like just hold on a second but i'm getting to a question that's really important to me so as i and i wish i could remember her name right now, but I don't remember the name of the scientist. But she has done five or six different trials at this point to a hundred, virtually a hundred percent success right now. Bigger and bigger trials, looking more and more at it. Finally, I said, look, is it possible? Because you're doing these studies using BCG vaccine, basically injecting tuberculosis into a human at low doses twice in one month. Three years later, their body recovers and they no longer have an autoimmune disease called type 1 diabetes. My understanding is in France, they're doing similar studies and having the same success. Three years after BCG vaccine, multiple sclerosis is being

healed. These are supposed to be uncurable issues, right? And I said, so here's my question. Is it possible, don't you have to imagine that there was a benefit to tuberculosis to the body? I mean, I get it. Some people were vulnerable, but for those that overcame it, clearly it must have been good for the immune system if you can cure type 1 diabetes. And you know what she said? Oh, that's exactly what it proves. She's like, absolutely. There's no doubt about it. She says all of the hand sanitizers, all of the vaccinations, all the things that are keeping us from priming our immune system are leading to these autoimmune diseases.

So, by introducing tuberculosis back to the body, that is why we're seeing the recovery of the body and healing from type 1 diabetes. Now, by that point, I think three-quarters of my audience has stopped listening. But I was like, did you hear that, folks? Did you hear? This is a mainstream scientist that's admitting to you you if you know you wanted in the healthiest way to have come in contact with tuberculosis and she said it was ubiquitous which isn't there's not a bacteria that we know is more profound throughout the world is in our water everywhere well we're chlorinizing everything we're we're killing it so all we are not coming in

contact with tuberculosis tuberculosis any longer. And people say, but that killed people. But you have to remember, all of these diseases always kill a tiny percentage of people that immune systems aren't working, right? And so, whether it's polio, same thing. The death rate of polio is below 1%. That whole paralysis, iron lung, it's less than 1% of the people had that experience. Most people recovered from polio.

And that's the case for almost every illness. We look at measles. The death rate of measles in America in 1961, the year before the vaccine comes, is 1 out of 500,000 Americans died of measles. That's like point, I think there's four zeros before you get to your first number after a decimal point. No one knows that. They've hypersensitized us to that anecdotal story, that death, that paralysis. And my theory is this, that arguably, even though it's more, I think all those people that had immune systems that were shot, that polio really was a problem or tuberculosis, I would go ahead and guess those are the same ones being injured by vaccines. I think we haven't fixed that problem. They are immune suppressed.

They have serious problems dealing with viruses, whether it's killed, dead, injected with adjuvants, or they breathe it in the air. Yeah, I forget the name of the doctor. It might have been Sherry Tenpenny. It might have been someone else. Years ago, I heard her on Ben Greenfield. One of the things she was talking about is the global effect of toxins in our environment. And she had mentioned, looking again from the CDC stats available online, a sharp rise in autism rates when GMO glyphosate was introduced or GMO wheat was introduced in the American food supply and how it's,

you know, in the past Wakefield aside, if you were to try to pinpoint on any one thing, it'd be very hard to do. But if you look at all 72 of these, if you look at glyphosate, MSG, aspartame and everything else that's been allowed into our fucking food and water, then you can't argue with the fact that there is a global effect on our DNA, on a genetic level

that is hampering us and hurting us and harming us. And that will be expressed differently through each person based on genetics and epigenetics. It'll be expressed differently through each person based on the level of our health when we go through these things. Right? So, if I'm super healthy and I get sick and I come out on the other side alive, awesome. If I'm not very healthy and I get a vaccine or if I'm not very healthy and I eat like shit because it's cheaper and it's subsidized, then are the odds going to go up that I don't survive COVID? Are the odds going to go up if I have injury from a vaccine?

For sure they are. That's very simple math to look at that, if I'm taking care of myself. But beyond that, it's really hard for a lot of people to know how to take care of themselves in times like this, because everything is everywhere. All of the toxins are everywhere. It's in the air we breathe. It's in the water we drink. They're littered through everything. And maybe this is a good time to get into some of the stuff with plandemic. Obviously, Mickey is a friend of both of ours. And some of these ideas that when you would look back at the Rockefellers as the godfather of modern medicine, the purchasing of the American Medical Association,

the creation of the American Cancer Society, and also at the same time, starting the green movement, pushing for more pesticides and herbicides, monoculture, looking at how these things tie together, you can't help but start to scratch your head and say this is bigger than any one industry. Yeah. And so to sort of launch into that, I just want to go back to your point that we are in a toxic environment, right? And I would never say that vaccines aren't the only cause of autism.

And I would guess that there's probably some natural causes though very rare i mean it'd be hard to determine what is natural what we know is autism doesn't exist really before 1938 that's when you know we discover i think it's 13 children you know canner leo canner the scientist finds this really weird anomaly and he collects 13 children from around the country and people will say i mean this is the big argument right autism's always been here we're just diagnosing it better really i mean that there's a great book called denial by mark blacksell that you should read because he really challenges that but people are traveling from all over the world

scientists and psychologists to see these 13 strange kids that were having repetitive motion disorders and things like that it was that rare if it was really where we're at now we are at one in 34 or you know children with autism to jump in where i think the question sally fallon raised was where are all the autistic adults? Exactly right. Where is the old folks home? It doesn't go away. Where one in 30 is in the corner flapping and with the known, what we know to be the habits of autism. They don't exist.

It's just not there. We don't know anybody, none of our grandparents, none of our aunts and uncles. It doesn't exist until we get to a younger population. Now, the reason I bring that up is because people say, Deli, you should get away from autism. It's a very controversial topic.

And the science has shown, the science baloney. In fact, one of the lawsuits we've won against the CDC, we proved that they cannot say the vaccines don't cause autism. They've never done the proper studies to come to that decision. Even though we hear there's thousands of studies, there aren't. But autism, I think, is really a fascinating study. And the truth is, is if we really cared about human health, we should be spending millions, if not billions of dollars investigating autism. Because I think it's sort of like, you know, not to degrade the children going through it, but it's the canary in the coal mine.

Meaning, when we look at autism, all the scientists I've talked to, it's now proving to be that these children, the only thing that, the reason they have autism is they just can't detoxify quick enough. They don't detoxify. They don't have the ability to methylate is the idea. And whether it's genes, we're looking at genes that help you detoxify toxins in your body. All autism is, is children that cannot detoxify all of the chemicals and products that are, as you pointed, in their air, in their food, in their water, in their vaccines, and something tips them over the tops. You know, usually a vaccine because the most direct delivery system of all the things you can imagine, we inject it straight into essentially the bloodstream.

So, it goes to brain swelling, the brain swells, and when it finally reduces swelling, they end up, you know, having issues with autism. I had a mother really explain it best. She said, people say vaccines don't cause autism. And she's like, they're right. The vaccine didn't cause my child's autism. The vaccine caused my child's encephalopathy, the swelling in their brain that had them screaming for two weeks straight, and then they never spoke again afterwards. And the resulting behavior is autism. The resulting

behavior could have also been schizophrenia. Autism is a behavior. It's not a physical, the physical damage is the encephalopathy, the swelling of the brain, which I think is a behavior it's not a physical the physical damage is the encephalopathy the swelling the brain which i think is a good way for people to look at it so let's you know people will come up to me to get back to your point and they'll say well dell you you know you say vaccines cause autism but how do you know they'll be really smart sometimes there'll be a doctor assigned it's how do you know it's not the pesticides and herbicides that are sprayed on our on our food or maybe it's the you know's the antibiotics that are injected into all the meats that we eat or the fluoride in our water or the air quality, the pollution in our air. And I always say, oh, well, just so you know, my nonprofit is investigating all of those things. I think we should be spending millions and millions of dollars investigating everything you just brought up.

But let me make this point clear. The CDC and the FDA approved every one of those products you just described, whether it's antibiotics in our meats, whether it's glyphosate sprayed over all of our, you know, 90% of our crops, whether it's fluoride in our water, our health regulatory agencies have told us all of those things are safe. So even if you're right and I'm wrong, or it's a combination of those things, or it's one of those things, the very health departments we are trusting our lives with have let us down. Our decline in health should be hung around the neck of Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has been at NIAID inside of the National Institute of Health for nearly 50 years now, okay? So that decline in health from 1986 at 12.8% chronic

illness to now 54%, that's on his watch. That's on the watch of the CDC, the FDA, the World Health Organization, Bill Gates, and all these people that say they're making us healthier. We are seeing a dramatic decline, and so I hold you responsible. I happen to be very specifically focused on vaccines because of all the things we just talked about. They go through less safety studies than anything else. But is there a combination effect?

Absolutely. Have I met children, for instance, there's a story I'll never forget where the parents had a child injured by vaccines, had autism. They did all of the great work to detoxify their kid, changed the diet, got him back to where he was back on his grade level. Just like Jenny McCarthy, people can say what they want about Jenny McCarthy, a powerful warrior who saved her child, healed her child, and then helped others learn that you could heal your child of autism. Just a really incredible person.

And this is one of those families that had brought their child, got him back to his grade level. He was doing great for three or four years. I think he was in like fourth or fifth grade. And one day they came downstairs and their child's under the kitchen table and he's flapping and his head's bobbing and he's got repetitive motion disorders, like full severe autism. All of a sudden, years they hadn't seen anything, any signs of that. So, they called the school and they said, what's happening?

Did someone feed him something? Did he, you know, it you know like no no nothing that we know of and then the teacher they kept asking questions well there was a fluorescent light bulb fell in the classroom yesterday and the janitor just came and swept it up and cleaned it up and there's like with the kids in the room like yeah and there you have, right? That child couldn't handle that light dose of mercury that we know is inside of that light bulb. For everybody else in the class, fine. This was a very fragile child who they were holding him in a stasis through diet. But as soon as he breathed in that vapor, and the sad part of the story, this was five years prior, this is he's never,

we never got him back. He's been fully autistic ever since. So those are the types of things that make you realize, wow, you know, I'm thinking about when we were kids, we were just breaking fluorescent light bulbs all over each other. And,

you know, who knows where some of those kids I was playing with are at, or who knows what my future health is going to be because of things we didn't know anything about. Yeah. Man, that's tough. It's really tough hearing that. Just imagining that with my kids, you know, to go through something like that. I had a super close friend of mine that I started hanging with who had a younger brother.

I've known him since I was 10 or 11 and his younger brother had autism. And one of the things his parents would do would be to anytime we had sleepovers, they'd have a group of the autistic kids come over because we were all jocks and for better or worse, the parents recognized us as like, hey, people look at you.

You gotta see these people too. So you're inclusive and you're not a bully or an asshole when you come across one of these kids. And it was a really powerful experience. And we got to see, you know, people all over the spectrum when we do these sleepovers. And, you know, they're probably four or five years younger than us, but I'm just reliving that in my mind, seeing

if that was your kid and to get them back for a number of years and then to have full reversion just like that, they're taken from you again. Yeah. Brutal. Yeah. Well, I know we're, I don't want to keep you all day long, but I do want to, I did want to bring up a little bit more on the COVID-19. Yeah, the pandemic.

You recently had a doctor, something that's very pressing right now, and I for sure want to have you back on again, because we're not out of the weeds on any of this stuff yet. No, no, no. The doctor you had recently was talking a bit about this twin pandemic, the twindemic, and how everywhere you go now, I mean, I was just at fucking Costco, and they've got the little stand there for the flu shot. The last time I had the flu was 2012, and it was when I was going through EMT school to become a firefighter. What else happened that year? Well, I had to get a full round of vaccinations again in order to be a nationally registered EMT, including the flu vaccine. That's the last time I had the flu. So I'd love for you to unpack a bit of that.

The push for the flu vaccine, the stats on COVID-19 actually impacting you if you've had a flu vaccine. Right. Yeah. So I had Dr. Jim Meehan on the show who's written some great papers on this. The flu vaccine is one of the worst vaccines ever made. It's totally ineffective. And what we showed is huge studies.

There's a study, I think it was 250 million cases they looked at throughout Europe and found that when they really broke it down, there was no proof that people that got the flu shots did any better with the flu than those that didn't. So it's totally ineffective. Let's start there. The thing doesn't work.

And then you have people that say exactly what you did. The only time I got the flu was when I got the vaccination. And what we see in multiple studies now is that people who get the flu shot, there's a great study out of Japan that really had a placebo group. One group got the flu shot, the other group got a saline injection. They didn't know which one they got and they followed these people through a flu season.

They found that those that got the flu vaccine had the same rate of flu as those that didn't get the vaccine. So it was totally ineffective. But what was shocking was that those that got the vaccine had four times, 400% increase in other upper respiratory infections, being rhinovirus and other illnesses and pneumonia. Four times the rate of those that didn't get vaccinated, showing us that the vaccine makes you more vulnerable to other issues.

And it's not protecting you from the flu and so uh there's a study just last year out of our military um really big study of military personnel they tracked who got flu shots and who didn't and they found a 36 increase in coronavirus amongst those that got the vaccine compared to those that didn't. So again, another other respiratory condition and really obviously pertinent to now because this is a coronavirus. COVID-19 is a coronavirus. And so to see media and doctors and the CDC and the FDA saying, get out and get your flu shot because of COVID-19, it's like they're marching people to the slaughter

i mean you are you know for a fact that the science shows an increased risk of coronavirus infection if they get this flu shot and the argument being well i mean it's the twindemic it's the perfect storm a flu season along with covid19 at the same time. Truth is, flu and coronavirus, always, that's the season coincides. In fact, we've really never done a very good job, and we know this scientifically, to determine if it was all flu or coronavirus or rhinovirus. The overlap, for the most part, if you're symptomatic, we've kind of always called everything the flu. There's some people that actually get tested for the flu, but even then when you look at, you know, you could

argue all sides of this, the years that they actually tried to go and test people that died of flu, they found that like, you know, it was less than 1% that were diagnosed with the flu actually tested positive for the flu, meaning they had something else and doctors just called it the flu. So we're really in a very gray space on all of this. But the science I'm pointing out is accurate. That's when we do look at it, flu vaccine doesn't protect you. They'll say it's 10% effective or 20% effective, which is terrible. Who takes any product that's only 10% effective? I don't know. And then you take on the risks, the known risks of Guillain-Barre syndrome paralysis and all of these, and you just add to this problem. And so there's guys like Mickey and I and you will sit around quietly asking ourselves, is this how they're going to get a second wave? Are they going to create a second wave by making people vulnerable that wouldn't normally be vulnerable by getting flu shots? Are we going to take the healthy people, which is, remember, COVID-19 is only deadly for

0.26% of the population, a quarter of 1%. 99.74% of us clear coronavirus without serious consequences, meaning our immune systems are 99.74% effective currently at beating covet 19 we're being told that one of these vaccines is being rushed one most dangerous vaccines ever attempted being rushed onto the market that the fda will accept it if it's 50 effective why am i going to take a product it's 50% effective when my body is 99.74% effective? These are the things that people need to start asking themselves. But the flu shot is a serious mistake, especially in elderly, which is where they're going to say the risk is.

All of the elderly should get a flu shot. All the science, really all the decent science shows that the flu shot doesn't work on elderly people. Their immune systems are not triggered by the shot. It does nothing. All it does is bring risk and the risk of other upper respiratory conditions. So, these are things we talk about. This is known science. I'm not making this up.

This is really where we're at. And, you know, of course, but this all gets back to the question you said is mickey willis plandemic you know we we debate this he and i um i don't know that i believe that this was all planned i believe there was a plan i believe that things were being planned my personal theory uh is that and it's just sort of it's just based on my observation of humanity that I've been interviewing people my whole lives, as Mickey has. But I feel like if this was planned, there would have been a vaccine ready to go. Now, I've been traveling the world talking about everything I've discovered through our investigations of vaccines. And I've been saying on stages, anyone can look it up.

I keep saying to populations before this year, pharma is going to attempt to take over the world. I believe they're going to push some sort of pandemic. There's going to be some virus or something because they need to scare the population to compliance. Why? Because they're not satisfied just vaccinating children. They want to vaccinate every adult, every human on the planet. They want full control over our bodies. And I've said it over and over again, pharma is the most powerful lobby in Washington. They're outspending oil and gas two to one. We fight wars in the Middle East for the amount of money that is poured into Washington by oil and gas. What is

pharma going to get spending twice that? These are the points that I've been making. And they're pouring that money into every nation in the world. And just in beginning of February, I was in Narcopoco, and I said to the audience, you think your issue is Federal Reserve Banking? You think it's, you are about to lose the greatest right you have, and that's control over your own body. Trust me, they're going to take over the governments of the world and force you to be vaccinated. And then along comes this pandemic. So, the writing was on the

wall, this was coming. I actually think that it's a good sign for those of us that have been really stepping up and voicing our issues that I think we made them jump the gun. This is the greatest Goliath there ever was. You talk about world wars where you had countries fighting each other. This is a total and complete global takeover by pharma right now. There's only one nation really in the entire world, Sweden, that said, screw you. We're not locking down. We're not wearing masks.

We don't care about the vaccine. We're going business as usual. It's the only country in the world not going through a second wave. That is, their dance clubs are open. Their bars are open. Nobody can explain it except any decent scientist that says that's what we always did. We always let the virus run its course. You'll have those that are really sick die.

The rest of us develop herd immunity, usually about 20% of the population, because we all had a coronavirus last year. Most of us are going to have cross-reactive immunity immunity which is all that's proving to be true about this but this takeover of the world was in action but i think you know there is event 201 and plandemic really shows you how well and again how this is scripted down to the news down to the fact that people aren't wearing masks and they had these fake newscasts going on while they're practicing their emergency situations over a weekend with event 201 and others like it. So, yes, they were planning for this. I think that they were either hoping that we would have Ebola cross the border with somebody come into the country and they were much further. In fact, I think they consider themselves having an Ebola vaccine ready to go, or Zika,

or something like that. But that isn't what happened. And I think that Bill Gates, and there was a huge meeting. I've done shows on all of this at the WHO in December. You can look up that show. It's brilliant. We have all the inside, behind-the the scenes footage of the WHO meeting last December. And the entire meeting for three days was how do we stop vaccine hesitancy?

How do we stop this spread of a concern of the safety of vaccines? And they admit things in that meeting that we have been dreaming about them actually saying in public for a very long time. But that meeting was just in December. How do we stop it? Well, a pandemic was just in December. How do we stop it? Well, a pandemic really comes in handy. You make people so afraid that their only answer is a vaccination program. And that's what I believe this has always been about. I just think that they jumped the gun.

I think that they wanted a virus they had a vaccine for, but they saw, I think Bill Gates, who's a huge player, if not the leading player in all of this i think he saw this little virus it looked like a cold but maybe a little more dangerous maybe it's gonna be a bad cold coming out of china and they said let's seize on this let's make this our moment let's make this the once in a century virus and terrify the world we can doctor the numbers we'll just simply make everybody that dies with covid19 dying from covid19 that accelerates the numbers. We'll just simply make everybody that dies with COVID-19 dying from COVID-19. That accelerates the numbers by 90%, makes them 90% higher than they would have been or somewhere in there. We think about – someone's going to question my math and go and do the math.

What we know is that only 6% of people in America that die with the COVID-19. The other 94% have at least 2.5 serious comorbidities like heart disease, COPD, diabetes. They're on their deathbeds for the most part anyway. So I think they jumped the gun. They've had to try and sell a cold as being deadly uh because they were running out of time too many people were really starting to ask the right questions about vaccines and ironically i i think it's going to work in our favor anyway this this drive for a vaccine you now have donald trump going warp speed you have democrats now who are usually very pro vaccine saying that's a dangerous vaccine.

And now suddenly this conversation has opened up. It's what me and Bobby Kennedy and others like this have been trying to get people to understand. Vaccines are not just naturally safe and effective. They can be very deadly and very dangerous for certain groups of people. But there is this myth around it, right? It was protected by this idea that all vaccines are safe and effective. If you really stop and think about that statement, it defies all reason. Yet, it's the religion we grew up with.

It defies all medicine. It defies all medicine. Fucking Tylenol kills people. Yeah, absolutely. There's not a single thing pharma has ever made that doesn't kill somebody. So now, because they're rushing a vaccine and it's become political, we are finally hearing people in New York Times, who usually attacks me, CNN, who usually attacks me, calls me out as being dangerous. They're using my talking points now, talking about the dangers of the polio vaccine that caused polio in the cutter incidents for tens of thousands of people, that it caused cancer because of the simian retrovirus that got into the early polio vaccine, that rushing vaccines can be a very dangerous game. And the truth is, is they've all been

rushed. I mean, when this is all done, what we will show the world is you think the COVID-19 vaccine is bad. Where do you see what you're injecting into your kids. And so I'm really positive. I mean, we could go on for days, but I want to leave on this. So many people bring all the fear, the tracking. We could get into social tracking and the surveillance of humanity. But I believe these are all the final desperate acts of a dying regime. There's a control structure that has been dreamed about since Nazi Germany. They didn't go away. They

just slowed down and said, you know what, instead of squashing media, let's buy up all the media. Let's control the narrative. Let's control government officials. Let's slowly get to the place where people will turn each other in for not wearing a mask, for instance, and call the police on each other or attack each other. We are seeing that, but we are also seeing a huge revolution of thought right now. A huge growth spurt in most of the intelligent people that are starting to finally ask the right questions. How is a vaccine made safe? How do you rush a vaccine? How could it be safe even if it comes out next year? When I see AstraZeneca saying, no, you have to protect us from liability because we don't know what the vaccine is going to do to you four years from now. What? Why is AstraZeneca worried about four years from now? Well,

because that's about how long the autoimmune diseases most vaccines cause. That's how long they take to develop. And so, I think all of this is going to end up being a benefit, but we are going to see martial law. We're going to see this establishment that now owns your politicians, owns the government trying to force its will upon us. This is the freedom fight of our time. We have a founding father's moment now. If you know this is wrong and you're wearing that mask against your will, you better stop complying. You better stand up and say, wait a minute, didn't my founding fathers tell me that not only am I allowed to defy a law that takes away my civil liberties, but I'm required to do so? I think that's the position we find ourselves in now. And this vote,

this election coming up is crucial. People really need to start asking their politicians the right questions. And any politician says that they believe in a mandated vaccine program, just realize that that decision, whether you're pro-vaccine or not, you are essentially saying that your body is simply property of the U.S. government. If you believe in mandating vaccines or mandating anything injected into you, then you have just reduced your position in this country to a farm animal. You now have no say over what's injected into you or injected into your children. You have given up every right we know in our constitution and our amendments. I mean, it's over. That's game over. And I say that to everybody, whether you believe in vaccines or not, please recognize your history do you realize what hitler would have loved to have just had an automatic program

where he can inject every person in germany with whatever he wanted when he wanted you didn't have to tell you what he was injecting into you or whether it was a different you know set of vaccines for one group of people compared to the other i mean i find it shocking to have come from california where i mean you were there right we have african americans in california that think that that trump is a white supremacist you have latinos that think that he doesn't want latinos alive he would send them to war in mexico or die in guatemala we don't care he has no concern for them as people we have gays bi's lesbians transgender that believe that trump would just like to see them all dead right i mean these

are real statements right now i'm not going to justify or verify those statements but what it shows us is that we have a population that believes that they have just elected a bad actor and then there's others that would have thought Hillary Clinton would be the most dangerous person on earth. So, we have a recognition that we either have elected a bad actor or we could someday elect someone that really does not have our self-interest or even our lives as a concern. So, then why in California, where the greatest body of people that think like that, why is that the first state to take away your right to deny injections by the government? I mean, let's be perfectly clear. Donald Trump puts the head of the CDC into their job. You don't elect them. He does, or any president. Let me take him personally out of it because I'm just using his example. The president puts into power the head of the CDC, puts into power the head of the FDA, puts into power the head of the EPA, puts into power the head of the National Institute of Health. These are all the people that are going to decide what you're injected with. So, essentially,

that syringe is in the hands of the elected president of the United States. So for everyone out there that's anti-Trump and pro-vaccine, I say you better get your head screwed on. If you distrust Trump as much as you say, why are you putting a needle in his hand to inject into your child? That makes no sense. For me, I'm not afraid of Donald Trump, but I am afraid. And I do believe that we are capable of electing someone that will not see every citizen in this country as equal. And God knows what they would do with the vaccine program if that's the case. Dale, it's been powerful having you on the podcast today. I mean, I'm blown away, brother.

We will for sure do this again. All right. Thank you so much, my man. Awesome, brother. Thank you for the work that you do. We will link to all your stuff in the show notes. Del Bigtree's High Wire. Where can people find you online?

The best thing, go to thehighwire.com and please just sign up to our email list. We have our YouTube channel. we've been censored. They took away our YouTube channel just a few weeks ago because they're saying that the things that we are saying and telling you the truth about the science we're showing is somehow dangerous to humanity. If that makes you curious, please go to thehighwire.com and just sign up to our email list. Facebook is threatening to take us down, too, but we're building a very robust website. People can always watch the show. you can find our whole catalog there but currently if you're a big facebook fan we're still on facebook and d live and um float.tv and now we're on um roku we're going live on roku which is a lot of fun so you can find the high wire in most of those places. But we're really asking people to sign up because this really is going to come down to a – the lines have been drawn.

There's a battle for humanity. It's a spiritual battle. It's very important that we all be in the right place at the right time. And I think there's going to be moments where we're going to need to mount the type of audiences, the hundreds of thousands of people in one place like we're seeing in Germany now standing up against. If there's a country that understands what it's like to loseanny by our government, the pharmaceutical industry and Silicon Valley, all of these controls. And so when those moments happen, Bobby's there. We're all going and speaking these things.

But I think there's going to be a moment where we need to stand together at one time. And it'd be really nice to be able to call, email everybody and say, today's the day. Oh, yeah, brother. All right,'s the day. Hell yeah, brother. All right, man. Okay. Thank you, brother. Absolutely. you