Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #178 Paul Chek

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, friends. Today is the return, the long-awaited return of a very close friend, mentor, and somebody I've learned from in a multitude of ways, the great Paul Cech. We dive into really what subtle energy is all about. And the reason I brought this up in our conversation is because there's been a few podcasts that I've listened to on Living 4D, which is Living 4D with Paul Cech, Paul Cech's podcast, which really have opened me up and allowed me to connect dots previously only seen kind of in plant medicine experiences, really. One of which was with Dr. Ibrahim Karim, the founder of BioGeometry, and his daughter Doria. And Paul had just come off of a fresh podcast he did with Doria.

Starting point is 00:00:52 I'd already heard the one with Doria and her father, Dr. Ibrahim. And that blew my mind. So we dive into Subtle Energy and another one that he had recommended that I've since listened to. We're going to link to these in the show notes as well. So you guys will be able to really go down the rabbit hole. But Walt Thornhill, who is pioneering, I think he wrote a book called The Electric Universe, along with David Talbot.

Starting point is 00:01:16 Absolutely phenomenal podcast that just made me rethink everything around physics and the whole gamut of what is unseen, but yet still real within our own universe. So lots of good stuff here. The podcast did actually go two hours and 30 minutes. And for whatever reason, Spirit is not allowing us to release the rest of that. We had a piss and tobacco break at the 50-minute mark, which is where this podcast ends.

Starting point is 00:01:48 And the whole remaining part of that podcast did not get recorded. So I'm going to make a trip out to visit Paul probably within the next couple of months. And I know we're going to dive just as deep, if not deeper, into the remaining portions that need to get out to the world. But for now, we've got at least a 50-minute chunk and some links to get you guys prepped for what we're going to continue to dive into in the near future. There are a number of ways you can support this podcast.

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Starting point is 00:10:06 slash Kyle. And it is the only one that I drink. Without further ado, my dude, Paul Check. All right. One of the reasons, or anytime I have the chance to be in your presence, I will bite my fucking schedule clear. Thank you. And here you are in Austin. I wanted, I have some questions for you today due to the mass of world events that we get to bear witness to right now. Yeah. But I also wanted to start with what's alive in you. And you recently had a podcast with Dr. Ibrahim Karim. Yes.

Starting point is 00:10:37 Daughter. The first one we'll link to in the show notes, which is absolutely incredible on biogeometry. But with Doria, you mentioned three and a half plus hours of really dialing into her medicine wisdom. And of course, that podcast isn't out yet. It's going to come out on a little bit of a delay. So you'll hear us first, almost as a teaser trailer, but I'd love for you to unpack some of the conversation that you had with her.

Starting point is 00:11:02 Well, we got into a lot. What I did is I had put together a list of 19 questions to go over with Ibrahim, her father, the founder of biogeometry, who is, for those that aren't familiar, he's an architect and a scientist of very, very high accord. He was the president of the Egyptian Architectural Society. As you know from my podcast, he's done all sorts of research in medical circles and others on biogeometry and all showed it extremely favorable. But we didn't get through all the questions because Ibrahim is more of the spirit of dialogue like I like it to be. So we just agreed from the

Starting point is 00:11:44 beginning, let's just see where it goes. Let's trust Great Spirit. So I went back and looked through the list and I thought, okay, we didn't really get too clear on that. We kind of glossed over that. And so I ended up putting together, I think, something like 20 questions for Doria. And I'd seen Doria with her dad on Healing Matrix with Sue Morder on Gaia TV, and I was very impressed with Doria. She's very lucid and very clear, and she's easier to understand because she doesn't have that strong Egyptian accent that her dad does. But I thought, okay, well, let's rock and roll with Doria

Starting point is 00:12:22 because she's not tied up writing a book right now, and I just love the woman. I mean, she's just the wise woman incarnate, right? And so really what I did was I put a list of questions together that either refocused on specific areas of the first podcast so we could get more clarity and understanding so that people could not have to try to imagine or gloss over because they don't understand. To remember all the questions is a lot,

Starting point is 00:12:52 but the kinds of questions I was asking you is, could you define exactly what subtle energy is? And so subtle energy can have a bunch of definitions. Subtle energy is energy that is beyond your sensory system. So if it's not coming by way of sight, touch, smell, feel, hearing, your normal sensory apparatus, but it's there, it's subtle. So when we're talking about intuition, we're talking about subtle energy. When we're talking about clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, just intuitive knowing, those are all vehicles of subtle energy.

Starting point is 00:13:38 And then subtle energies can also be energies that we don't normally have the technology to measure so um you know for example we all most of us have this concept of the astral realm but how do you measure that scientifically because it's moving faster than the speed of light so from a western scientific materialistic perspective it doesn't even exist in any talk of that. It's just silliness, right? And then I say to those people, do you dream? Yes. Is that silliness?

Starting point is 00:14:15 Do you just completely think that's just coming from the biochemistry of your brain? If you do, you haven't studied dreams very much at all, actually. So we really worked on discussing what is subtle energy. And we talked, for example, about... I referred to Arnold Mandel in one of his books. I can't remember the exact one. I've read probably five of his books.

Starting point is 00:14:43 And his books are really good. Do you know who Arnold Mandel is? Is that the guy who invented the Bell helicopter? No, that's Arthur M. Young. Arnold Mandel is, apparently he was Dr. Obama's personal psychologist. President Obama? Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:15:00 What did I say? Dr. Obama. Oh, yeah, sorry. I mean President Obama. That's what I was told. I haven't objectively looked into that, but I wouldn't doubt it. Arnold Mandel is trained as a Jungian analyst. He's probably getting close to 80 now, so he's been around for a while.

Starting point is 00:15:19 He's got a deep background in quantum physics, mathematics. He's got extensive training in shamanism. He wrote the book The Shaman's Body, which is really good. All of his books are great. But he's got a genius mind, and he developed a whole system of his own called process psychology, which is a mix of Jungian psychology, shamanism, and other methods. It's really quite beautiful.

Starting point is 00:15:48 And so, in one of his books, he talks about how the heart produces a wave, and he gives the analogy of a ship with a radar, and how it sees way far forward by analyzing whatever interferes with the waves, right? Which is what radar does. So we were talking about how our heart and the research from heart math shows that the heart knows what the brain doesn't know, but is about to know as much as seven seconds before the brain's even aware of it. So before you're consciously aware of it, and the way they do this is they take a computer and then they use a random generator and they have taken images of happy experiences, people kissing, hugging, birthday parties, you know, positive images, and they mix them with shocking stuff

Starting point is 00:16:45 like car accidents and people getting shot. And so what they do is then this random generator chooses which image will come up next, and they have people hooked up to a comprehensive biofeedback analysis, including the heart, the brain, the sympathetic responses. And what HeartMath found is that

Starting point is 00:17:03 the heart is already responding to the image before they even see it as much as seven seconds before the brain even can register what it is so the heart somehow is able to get past a random pattern generator to know what image is coming next and the physiology of the person is already reacting toward positive i.e it's a positive image so integration you know relaxation parasympathetic versus sympathetic reactions for a negative image so i was making the point and talking to doria about that how you know the subtle energies are really the greater truth of ourselves um and and i was making the point of an analogy if you have a remote controlled drone or a remote controlled car or toy like my kid has remote controlled

Starting point is 00:17:59 monster trucks and stuff you don't see the signal coming out of the controller but it's actually controlling the entire vehicle and you know now we've got these military grade drones which drop bombs and do everything else so you got you know a couple of tons or 30 tons of metal up there and what's controlling it an invisible wave that controls the outcome of how that machine functions, what it does, who it takes pictures of, who it kills. So it was really trying to share the perspective that our thoughts, feelings, and emotions are all subtle energies, but ultimately they're the ones controlling our physiology. If you're in a mentally negative state, then your whole physiology mirrors that. If you're happy and you're smiling, then your

Starting point is 00:18:50 biochemistry mirrors that. But those thoughts, feelings, emotions, and things like the sense of love or connection, they're not tangibly measurable from a classic western perspective or scientific perspective but we've created this whole illusion with this materialist paradigm that those things are insignificant they don't exist and if they do they're all the results of biochemical reactions in the body which you know as many great scientists say matter cannot organize itself you know no rock pile ever turned itself into a watch or a car. There has to be a conscious organizing force, and how consciousness communicates is through subtle energy. And consciousness is subtle energy.

Starting point is 00:19:41 So, you know, matter is often said to be a condensation of consciousness. So you think of how dew forms. Well, we could get very into a long segue here but if you think of whatever consciousness is i would refer to that as the authentic god not a god with judgments and values and religious god but the combined intelligence of all that is. God has nothing to do but look into itself. If God is God, then there is no other. Right? So one of the best definitions for God is that for which there is no other

Starting point is 00:20:18 or that for which can meet its own needs. See, we can't meet our own needs. We have to eat things. We have to drink things. We have to drink things. We have to interact with other people. But God is that which can meet its own needs, and the only way it can do it is to exist within itself

Starting point is 00:20:34 because there's nothing behind God. So if we say that the sum total of the flow of energy and information is the sum total of consciousness at any given moment then when it looks into itself it looks into a potential and to the degree that it looks into the potential with the desire to experience the potential then consciousness flows down so the act of looking would produce mind because now there's a subject-object relationship and to the degree that God wants to experience that in the third dimension which is where we're at then the

Starting point is 00:21:12 thought form will emotionalize itself which would be stepping to the astral level which then steps itself down into the biological level if it's a biological reality like a living being and the biological level will include the etheric interface with the physical body and that's what really what William A. Tiller's model of the chakra system showed is that there's almost a doubling sometimes even multiple of the speed of light at each chakra system and so it shows you that these higher dimensions are moving at faster and faster superluminal speeds and so what i'm pointing out is that whatever consciousness is can only inform itself i.e information means information by putting its own awareness into one of its

Starting point is 00:22:07 potentials. Now if consciousness puts its awareness into two potentials, both of which are sentient, then you have a relationship that produces love. Because there now is an I and a thou so if i'm looking at you and listening to you then i am you become the object of my awareness or devotion and i'm talking so i become the subject well i'm your object but what's listening to me right now is your subject well the subject is also the higher self it's also the witness and it has to be god because you can't be conscious if god's not conscious how would you do that

Starting point is 00:22:53 right that means you're separate from god which means you've lost the whole meaning of the term god to begin with so what i'm really showing is if you look at how the chakra system works at each level you have three chakras. Most people don't know that. You have a mental chakra, which is the highest vibration, which is linked to what's classically called the noosphere, which is the sphere of mind or ideas. It steps down to an astral chakra,

Starting point is 00:23:19 which then steps down into the etheric level, which then is transferred through in the meridian and nadi system that goes to every single cell of our body. So you have step-down transformation when the universe talks to you, and you have step-up transformation. So if you're conveying a thought to me, you're actually conveying that energy through your chakra system.

Starting point is 00:23:47 Your body language and facial expressions is the physical end of it. The biochemistry of it, which is what produces the etheric field, whenever you have biochemical interactions in the body, it produces an electromagnetic field, and the sum total of that is your etheric field. And that creates, shall shall we say a standing wave that is the interface to the higher dimensional reality of the astral realm which is the intermarried intermediary realm between pure mind and the biological system and so the astral realm is where we're doing our

Starting point is 00:24:20 dreaming for example or daydreaming or astral travel or active imagination or anything like that or remote viewing um so what's happening and william a tiller showed this and uh john archibald wheeler the famous astral astronomer and quantum physicist shown this many have shown this but it basically shows uh nassim harrimiman shows us we're in an instantaneous real-time feedback with the entire universe so every thought filling or emotion that you have is broadcast into your field which is connected to the one field of the one mind which would say is the mind of the universe or the mind of god so you're like a neuron in the mind of god and i'm like a neuron in the mind of god and every

Starting point is 00:25:12 sentient being is like a neuron in the mind of god and all the experiences that we're having the universe is having just like when you eat food you have billions of microvilli that sift through the chyme that has come from your stomach. And each one looks for selective nutrients like key amino acids, key fats. And different sections of the small intestine are allotted to pulling different things out because there's different ph levels that free up different nutrients in the small intestine but none of us really has a a personal relationship with a micro villi right you know according to research there's um 40 000 micro villi per square millimeter yeah so that's what's called the brush border so you're talking about micro hairs but they're all intelligent they know exactly what they're looking for

Starting point is 00:26:10 so the point i'm making is each human being is kind of like a microvilli and even though we're having our own experience and acting out our own role in our own life path and living our own dreams and dealing with our own challenges those are actually being fed into the collective. They're being fed into the personal unconscious of the planet. They're being fed into the solar unconscious, but calling it unconscious is just a classic way to say it. But really, you can't differentiate the unconscious from the superconscious, because really, if God is anything, geomet geometrically it's a sphere or a circle

Starting point is 00:26:47 because that's the symbol of wholeness so if you think of a circle if you name the top half the circle the superconscious and the bottom half unconscious those would just be labels because the circle's whole there isn't a top or a bottom you You can turn it in any direction, it's still the same, right? So, really the unconscious is the flow of information that is helping us breathe, function, informing us about all sorts of things, whether a storm is coming, things that we can tap into as we grow spiritually.

Starting point is 00:27:22 But really the way I look at the superconscious is that it's the quantum processor that can process all possibilities at the speed of now. So, for example, if you want to come up with a new way of doing something, such as desalinating water, you may actually be accessing your superconscious because you need to come up with something that's novel. The subconscious can be supporting you with information that already exists,

Starting point is 00:27:55 but you also need the superconscious to help you come up with something novel. So the point I'm driving at is that the subtle energies of us are really what's informing us and when consciousness invests enough energy into any given focus then it attracts matter to itself starting at the sub-quantum level be it quarks nuons glu gluons, muons, leptons, etc., which then build up to atomic structures, which then build up to molecules, which then build to cells, to organs and systems, to bodies.

Starting point is 00:28:36 And so really, like if you look at an atom, it's 99.99 to the sixth decimal point empty. So there's a lot more subtle than there is gross in an atom right it's empty space but it's full of information and energy so we kind of went through these kinds of dialogues just to help put subtle energy into perspective because really it's it's the guiding force i mean we we can't see our thoughts. I mean, yes, you can watch a person on an electroencephalogram or things like that, but you're not seeing the thought. You're seeing the effect of the thought.

Starting point is 00:29:12 Right. You have to think the thought before your body can respond to it, or you'd be in a state of total chaos all the time. Because if you're able to think thoughts of love and thoughts of hate at the same time, your body would be at a paradox because it would need opposing chemical reactions it would just basically put a person into sort of a catonic state like they were having a seizure there would be no way to

Starting point is 00:29:33 move that energy in a given direction so in a nutshell what i'm driving at is that the subtle realities are the grand orchestrators of the material reality. And when you consider, for example, that the known physical universe is really only about 4% of all the energy that physicists can account for out there. So what we perceive with our senses and with the reality we live in is such a tiny sliver of the universe. And a great example of that is I was recently watching Nassim Haraman's show on Gaia, which is very, very good. And they showed something mind-blowing that was really quite neat to see. For the first time, they've gotten telescopes that are so advanced

Starting point is 00:30:26 technologically that they could program a telescope to the frequency of water and then have it look in the universe and this was on a satellite this scope for that specific frequency and the images that came back showed water everywhere in the galaxy wow it was mind blowing and the images when they came back the camera made all the water look blue so what you saw was like a galaxy with blue everywhere almost like you were looking at if you put you know like a nightlight in a bowl or a candle in a bowl and you floated like hundreds of them on top of a lake at night how you'd see these little lights everywhere so the stars were like lights but the water was everywhere and as it got closer to the hotter stars you would see less and less water but around it so it looked like a candle burning in the

Starting point is 00:31:25 floating on an ocean of water and these images showed that there's water everywhere in the universe which and there's bacteria everywhere in the universe which means life will grow anywhere in the universe it can get a foothold and life can be very diverse so it we we may only know life as what we know of his nature but in other planets it could be something radically different such as creatures that could live in sulfuric environments or extreme heat environments and and i know they're out there because you know i i don't know how wild you want me to be on your show but let's get fucking weird we've been weird before yeah i mean one thing I was going to bring up to you was, and speaking, this just jogged my memory,

Starting point is 00:32:09 but speaking of the first time I read John Lilly's Center of the Cyclone. Yes, yes. And he talked about doing 300 milligrams pharmaceutical LSD before entering the first homemade float tanks. Yes. And having these 12, 15-hour journeys where he was coming across beings first in the form that looked like human and then formless you know and he asked well why don't you have your bodies anymore and they said we just showed up in the way you would understand us yes now that you've you've uh grown

Starting point is 00:32:34 in awareness you can see us without form yes but there are many forms and they took them to gaseous planets like jupiter yes where they there were beings made just of gas that were held together and yes as you bring up the science on the amount of space within an atom, intelligence holds that together. Yes. Right? So, I'm not a solid thing. The idea of solid liquid gas is just the way-

Starting point is 00:32:57 You look pretty solid, though. Thank you, brother. Great illusion. That is an illusion, right? So, whatever's holding us together right now, or the couches that we're on, there's still far more empty space in us than there is material, right? It's 99.99999%. Yeah, so it's not a stretch to think consciousness could hold gas in form, or consciousness could hold liquid in form, and you could have, like in the movie The Abyss, back from the early 80s, where there's a liquid being that is sentient and conscious, right? Yes, absolutely. Back from the early 80s where there's a liquid being that is sentient and conscious, right? Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:33:25 I mean, that sounds weird, but as you understand the physics and the science of it all, you're like, well, why wouldn't that be the fucking case? Why wouldn't in the infinite realm of infinite possibility and infinite manifestation, why wouldn't that show up? Right. that show up right and and the paradox is is that a lot of the information that validates these kinds of discussions that have been going on for as long as man has been writing things down are violently opposed by many scientists but they're being produced by highly qualified scientists so you know once what you see is is that you know uh dogma is very, very powerful and belief systems are very limiting. And it takes open-minded scientists to practice real science.

Starting point is 00:34:12 And a real scientist isn't trying to force their findings into a dogma. A real scientist is inviting having their belief system shattered. And that's the adventure of science. But we really... You know know i remember listening to a program by a quantum physicist or astrophysicist i can't remember years ago but he explained that the entire field of science of of cosmology was being dangerously limited because universities

Starting point is 00:34:42 would not fund any research project that did not support the biblical concept of the Big Bang. Because they did not want any science to challenge the cultural underpinnings of the Big Bang and the, you know, the Genesis story. Yeah. So here it is like universities that are supposed all over the world who are backed largely by Christian money or money from their own sources, be it Jewish or Islamic or whatever, won't support anything that goes outside of their paradigm. So it takes someone like a William A. Tiller or a Dean Radin or any number of these very evolved scientists, someone like Itzhak Bentov, who's so far out of the box that he's totally open to facts, not dogma. And so it's amazing because if you actually start spending time

Starting point is 00:35:58 studying the literature, and this is why I was telling you about my Electric Universe podcast that's out with Walt Thornhill, because the Electric Universe destroys a lot of the mainstream science beliefs about gravity and about photons and black holes and dark matter and dark energy, and proposes not only a model that is proving to be scientifically valid, but it's coherent with the observations of the cosmos in very, very many profound ways. And I've studied, you know, probably a few hundred hours of their videos and read their books, and so to interview him was very, very exciting.

Starting point is 00:36:38 But point being is here's a group of scientists from around the world who are so disgusted with the fact that their own research goes against everything they're being told is factually true and as Walt Thornhill says I had to unlearn almost everything I learned in my training as a scientist because the data coming back at me was so mind-bending that I couldn't even comprehend it from that framework. So when we start seeing how many amazing scientists there are with amazing ideas that correlate to what's really going on in the world, one of the things that I think is beautiful, and Dory and I talked about this, when you really understand that there's tons of evidence showing that the universe is a living breathing coherent whole

Starting point is 00:37:29 conscious organism and powered by love in other words it is attractive to itself it doesn't reject itself it holds itself together just like your body holds itself together you get cut it'll heal itself without even knowing how it did it so there's an example of love it brings the two halves together to create a unity again so when you come to realize that the universe is intelligent enough to be a universe right i? I mean, imagine what it takes to manage, you know, Nassim Haraman says they used to think there was 200 billion galaxies in the entire known universe, but with all the advanced telescopes they have now

Starting point is 00:38:17 and space probes they've now realized, current estimates are that there are 2 trillion galaxies, approximately the size of the Milky Way in a known universe. Okay, so here we are on planet Earth, one planet in a planetary chain with one medium-sized star in a galaxy so large that moving at the speed of light, if you died now 110 years from now, you still wouldn't have made it out of our galaxy. And they now say there's 200 trillion galaxies, which means moving at the speed of light, you'd be having to move almost eternally to cross it at 186,000 miles a second.

Starting point is 00:39:02 So when you sit back and say, okay, if we want to know how smart God is, as a metaphor, well, you'd have to say smart enough to keep 200 trillion, or excuse me, 2 trillion galaxies with billions of planets and stars and living organisms. And, you know, it's just like it's mind-boggling right yeah and when you realize it's all held together in a coherent whole it's as though it's an orchestra and in the past few years i've begun having experiences of hearing the sound of the universe which quite surprised me i started looking around wait i, wait a minute, I didn't put that on my stereo and realizing it wasn't coming from the stereo. And thinking, what is that?

Starting point is 00:39:50 And then all of a sudden it dawned on me, I'm hearing the sound of the universe. And it would be, it's hard to describe, but it would be like, sometimes I would hear, you know, at the high end of a piano on the right side scale, you get to the high notes.

Starting point is 00:40:08 It would be like that, but it would sound more like little bells ringing. And all of a sudden I would hear something that sounded like, in the background, like one of those great big Buddhist horns that are like seven feet long. And then little tickles and these sounds of like fairies dancing on a dance floor and the dance floor would be these low notes and just it's hard to describe because it's not something i can really do with my mouth but and so every now and then i'll and it usually comes when i'm meditating or if i'm

Starting point is 00:40:45 studying something like really deep that just throws me into a deep meditation which is most of the things i read um then all of a sudden i'll get to this place where i'm hearing the sound of the spheres of the universe and it's pretty trippy but the point i'm making is one way of looking at the universe which is a very valid way and that's why it's called universe, one song, is that it's a musical being. And I really, that's what's going on. But then you say, okay, what's making the sound? Well, it's the consciousness of the universe. Just like our consciousness expresses itself through sound to each other, the universe forms itself. And interestingly, the Sufis were telling us that a long, long time ago.

Starting point is 00:41:38 I've got a book called Universal Sufism, which is beautiful. And in there they describe the Sufi expression of how the universe comes into being and they say that, you know, essentially God is singing which is the functional equivalent of OM. But in Sufism, sound is a word that encapsulates all vibration, not just audible sound. So sound to the Sufis means gamma rays, x-rays, infrared, ultraviolet, everything from zero empty to zero full. So the entire spectrum of vibration in Sufism, the Sufi explanation of how the universe is formed is called sound. Bentov talked about that in Stalking the Wild Pendulum, right? The second it moves from particle to waveform, all waves could be considered in the same sound spectrum.

Starting point is 00:42:28 Yes. And of course, just as we can only view or understand 4% of the visible in the universe, that sound spectrum goes well beyond what our ears are capable of hearing. Yes. Oh, miles and miles beyond. Yes. I mean, the analogy I give with people is if you want to prove this to yourself, just buy a dog whistle.

Starting point is 00:42:45 You won't hear a damn thing, but the dog will come running every time. Because a dog's ears have a broader octave range than ours do. They can hear, I can't remember what ours is, 20,000 hertz or something, 20,000 cycles a second. But a dog's whistle is up above that. So the dog hears it, but we don't hear it. You know uh so the dog hears it but we don't hear it you know bats hear all kinds of stuff we don't hear i mean all sorts of creatures are you know bees see millions of things insects see things we don't see and when they look at a flower they don't see anything like what we're seeing they're seeing all sorts of ultraviolet and different

Starting point is 00:43:20 color spectrums and they look psychedelic you've probably yeah i've seen images i don't know how they created them but they're supposed to be this is approximately what a bee would see looking at a flower and really what it looks like is when you look at a city from a distance at night and you see all the different colors of lights in the city so a flower looks like this bursting spectrum of light and the frequencies of the light tell it how much pollen there is and so on and so forth but i think what i'm driving at collectively here is that subtle energy is really the guiding force behind the information because what is information it's matter i mean it's energy put into a pattern that can be comprehended as something

Starting point is 00:44:06 that has meaning so we look out and we say oh there's a bunch of trees out there well that's information but what's it made of energy energy in a formation so what kind of energy well it's gross here but when you say okay what is that tree, it's a bunch of atoms. What are the atoms? Well, they're actually a force field that cannot be pinned down to a location that looks more like a cloud on a scanning electron microscope than it does look like an object, because the old model of the atom as a sort of a solar system model has been proven to be wrong because you can't actually locate a part of that what you see is a what really has been identified now as a vortex which according to Nassim Harriman's work and others in the center of every atom is a black hole and so Harriman's work showed that everything from the atom all the way up is basically scalable and that there's black holes at many, many scales.

Starting point is 00:45:09 And one theory is that the center of the earth is a black hole and that the sun is a black hole. Is that what is creating the Taurus field within these? Yes. Yes. There's a great book that I think you'd find fascinating. It's called Punk Science Inside the Mind of God by Dr. Manjeer Samanthalatan. She's a medical doctor who had an enlightenment experience doing yoga

Starting point is 00:45:33 and kind of found what they were teaching her in medical school was just too limiting for her. And she began a many years long intensive study of cosmology and all the related sciences in black hole science. But she put together what she calls the black hole principle. So she takes all the research on black holes, sifts it through, gets the most current coherent data. And she basically shows that the black hole principle says that the center of every black hole is an infinite light which seers and sages and people like walter russell have been saying forever god is not the visible light god is the translucent light out of which the visible light

Starting point is 00:46:20 emerges and out of which darkness emerges to create the polarity that drives creation itself but behind that veil is a translucent light that is a great analogy as you take a prism which you can see through like glass but you shine a light into it and you get a rainbow of colors out of it so in the, the infinite light at the center of every black hole is the pure potential out of which mind itself draws its potential to create from. And it carries the potentials of mind because in the infinite there is absolutely no thing yet absolutely everything, which is the two qualities that I attribute to zero in my model, because it's empty of anything yet full of everything. So what that model is showing is that the infinite light is expressing itself at every level of creation,

Starting point is 00:47:14 because it is the source of all creation, but paradoxically, it's in it without being trapped in it. You have to be able to handle a paradox that's in it without being in it. You have to be able to handle a paradox that's in it without being in it. The simple way to understand that, because it's a hard one to wrap your head around, how could something be in something but not in it? Well, if you take a sine wave, you have to have a flat line to begin with, right?

Starting point is 00:47:43 Before you can draw a sine wave, you have to have a reference point or a zero point. When Before you can draw a sine wave, you have to have a reference point or a zero point. When someone dies, we say they flatline because they have no more heartbeat, which shows up as a wave function, right? Well, every time the sine wave crosses the reference line, it's at a zero point. Right at this line, it's at a zero point, and then it goes negative and it returns to the zero point. So if you's at a zero point, and then it goes negative, and it returns to the zero point. So, if you were at the zero point, there would be nothing there. But paradoxically, if you're in the positive cycle, or the negative cycle,

Starting point is 00:48:17 you'd be having some kind of an experience that requires the opposite polarity, because you can't have a negative without a positive. So the point I'm making is everything in creation is some kind of waveform or Hertz function, vibration, but what it's all emerging out of is like this invisible well of the infinite light of God, which is at the center of every black hole, all the way from the smallest subatomic particles right up to the universe itself

Starting point is 00:48:47 or however big we can conceive. In other words, the whole universe might be actually the product of a massive black hole. That's one theory. But how does God be in it without being in it? Well, if you're the point of origin or pure potential, then you are the source of all things waving. Yet, as yourself, you're still zero.

Starting point is 00:49:17 You see what I'm saying? Because everything produced from zero has to reconcile itself back to zero. Stephen Hawking's described this in one of his lectures. He said, okay, pretend you're standing on the ground and you've got a shovel. We'll call the ground zero. You dig a three-foot hole. We'll call that a negative. What's right next to you? A three-foot pile. And that three-foot pile eventually wants to fill the hole. Nature will eventually fill the hole.

Starting point is 00:49:57 So the thing he's saying is you had to choose to dig the hole to make the negative, but in making the negative, you made a positive, a pile. And all of those ultimately are borrowed from zero because zero is not the positive or the negative and walter russell gives this training all throughout his one-year study course you know all of the things we create he says are borrowed from god as as the source so this is why empires collapse this is why galaxies change because ultimately the truth of everything is zero. So whatever you build up and put into time has to ultimately return to its source because it's borrowed energy.

Starting point is 00:50:33 It's borrowed vibration. It's on loan from God. Just like our bodies. Yes, but because the nature of God is zero, everything returns back to zero. And I tell people that's why you've got to sleep at night. Because you can't stay in the show too long before you completely and utterly burn yourself out. Because your brain is God to your body.

Starting point is 00:51:00 And as long as your brain is thinking, your body can never rest. So we actually have to have deep dreamless sleep where we become one with god and let go of the whole show at which time our body is free of our mind and the subconscious can do its work to heal balance and restore us without the negative influences of mind and so so people with PTSD and sleep disorders have a very hard time because their mind is active to the point it burns their bodies out, so they start having health problems.

Starting point is 00:51:33 But sort of the trick of it is that what we call God is actually the Godhead, the fountainhead. But something even more magical is I tell my students, okay I have a question for you. If your mother is a zero, are you a one or a virtual one? And they usually have to meditate on that for a few minutes. So if your mother is the mathematical equivalent of a zero, does that make Kyle one or a virtual one? Well, from a mathematical standpoint,

Starting point is 00:52:20 you couldn't create one from zero. But from the way of God is zero, that is how the unmanifest becomes manifest that's how things move from the dao into the world of 10 000 things right but the point is the 10 000 things are products that create the illusion of separation but in actual fact they're expressions of zero therefore if by definition your mother is a zero then you can only be a virtual one but because it's virtual you can't tell the difference between that and anything else that's what makes something virtually real you understand yeah is this speaking to the concept of Maya it's exactly what it is okay and that's why the Hindu sages said the universe

Starting point is 00:53:11 everything you seeing is Maya so don't get trapped in it because it's all God dreaming and we go back now to what I started with when God looks into itself, God's dreaming. I wonder what it's like to be Kyle. I'm going to make up this handsome big dude, make him super sexy and strong and open-minded, and let's make his life real interesting. We'll make it, you know, we'll make his use of plant medicines. Well, we'll do lots of things that'll really get the parts of me that are trapped in belief systems all wound up. And we've got to make sure he has some friends

Starting point is 00:53:51 that he can, you know, share his real life with. Fuck yeah, brother. I have to create another bald guy that's, you know, a little shorter and a little different and a little weird in his own ways so that these two weird guys can get together and and love each other and see god in each other and and so you know the reality of it is is we're all being dreamed into existence but as i say to my students look if i put you

Starting point is 00:54:19 inside of a movie projector and projected you onto a screen, could you tell the difference between being in the movie and being someone sitting there watching the movie? Well, it depends if my consciousness is watching me in the movie or if it's also in the projection.

Starting point is 00:54:40 Well, what I'm saying is if you were put into the projector and projected onto the screen then you would be having the experience of being in the movie acting the movie out so you might just think you were living your life and someone was pointing a camera at you because that's how they film movies right yeah so i'm saying if you're paul newman and you're in the movie but you don't realize that you're in the movie because you're in the movie would that be any different than paul newman sitting in the theater watching the movie but now realizing he's watching the movie his sense of paul newman in the theater would be no different than his sense of Paul Newman

Starting point is 00:55:27 as the actor in the movie. They would both feel completely real to him, wouldn't they? Yeah. So, God's dreaming the movie into existence, and it turns out that matter is the screen that the movie is reflecting the light on. Does that make sense? Yeah. And what is Fritz Albert Popp's research show that our body is emitting photons constantly

Starting point is 00:55:51 and the cells are talking to each other through photon exchange at the speed of light. And they've proven this, for example, looking at elite pianists because they've studied how fast a pianist's hands move playing some of these exotic classical songs and physiologically it's impossible for the message to get to the brain to the hands and play the notes they're playing at the speed that they're doing it does that make sense yeah your neurons cannot transfer information fast enough for a pianist to move their fingers that quick.

Starting point is 00:56:27 So what they found is that the communication is through light. That the brain and the body are actually communicating the message of the music from the pianist's mind is coming through his body at the speed of light. And his hands are actually moving beyond the physical domain and nervous system control but it's actually light conveying the information and the body's responding and then if you look at robert o becker and uh james oshman they talk about the perineural system and the fascial system and how it actually can conduct different frequencies, and even conduct light frequencies, and you've got piezoelectric currents, so there's like a whole different sort of nervous system, if you will, in the wrappings of the nerves and in the fascia itself.

Starting point is 00:57:17 And what is it? Soaked in water, which has an infinite capacity to carry information, and vibration can move very quickly through water. For example, sound can move very quickly through water for example sound can move very quickly through water so we have this overlay of all these systems that are communicating and talking but we're only now coming to understand things like how can a pianist play notes faster than a nervous system can move it's light what am i saying what is a movie light you watch a good movie you get immersed in it you have emotions feelings reactions you hate the bad guy you love the good guy whatever and all it is is light dancing on a screen and then you go back to plato's cave and people were watching the shadows on the wall and they came to believe that was

Starting point is 00:58:00 actually the reality that they were in and when when someone tried to show them different, they had a hard time believing it. Right? Yeah. So the point is, Kyle can't tell if he is actually watching the movie or in the movie. And you talk to people like Greg Braden

Starting point is 00:58:18 and some of these people that are really advanced in game theory and computer science and there's very good mathematical support for the fact that this whole thing can be a simulation and that there could be a massive computer somewhere generating this whole thing and that one of the theories is is that we've actually evolved way past this but we're sending these messages back through time to this point in time to awaken ourselves that we have to be careful not to make the mistakes that's going to end our life or we won't get to be the people we are in the future so it actually could be us reaching into the what would

Starting point is 00:58:58 be their past which is our present to inform us hey you need to pay attention to these things because to get here you we have to do that i and we would be the same thing so kyle have you seen the movie interstellar no matthew mcconaughey you would love it they actually they they dive right into exactly what you're talking about right now yeah he uh enters a space in the future that looks an awful lot like uh physical representation of the Akashic records. Yes. And he ends up pushing a book through that goes back in time. So his daughter will see it and treat it as a ghost,

Starting point is 00:59:32 but it's her dad in the future. Coming to give her a message. Yeah. Love it. Yeah, man, that just gave me goosebumps thinking about that. All right, take a leak. Yes.

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