Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #181 Emily Fletcher

Episode Date: December 3, 2020

In this conversation with the incredible Emily Fletcher, we dive into the concepts and practices involved in her meditation practices. I recently got done with a crash course in Emily’s ZIVA Meditation when we recorded and can’t recommend it highly enough!  There are so many nuggets in here so strap in. She has also blessed us with $100 off of her online course, just follow the link below and share with your friends and family. Oh yeah, we had some fun too. Enjoy fam Connect with Emily:   Emily’s Website: zivameditation.com  Instagram: @emilystellafletcher - @ZivaMeditation Facebook: Emily Fletcher - Ziva Meditation - Ziva Community Group Twitter: @ZivaMeditation YouTube: Ziva Meditation Show Notes:   Emily’s Intro Video   You’re It! - Alan Watts Lecture   The Science of Mindfulness - Ronald Siegel   Feeling is the Secret - Neville Goddard   Sex Magick ep with Jamie Wheal             iTunes - Spotify   Emily’s Forgiveness Practice Audio   Initiation with Matías De Stefano Sponsors: LMNT is the best electrolyte drink on the planet developed by Robb Wolf. http://drinklmnt.com/kyle    Head to https://sovereignty.co/kyle/ to grab my favorite CGN/ Nootropic. There is nothing like this product for energy and cognitive function! Also grab my new favorite sleep aid, DREAM.   To get the ’Magnesium Breakthrough‘ deal exclusively for fans of the podcast, click the link below and use code word KINGSBU10 for an additional 10% off. https://bioptimizers.com/kingsbu    Sports Betting Dime Is your one stop shop for insight into odds on all your favorite events. They’re basically the Obscure Sports Quarterly for betting odds, covering all major leagues, politics and beyond. Just go to www.sportsbettingdime.com Connect with Kyle:   Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Parler: @livingwiththeKingsburys Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com    Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

All right, y'all, we are back for a very special episode with one of my favorite people, someone I just met, an incredible woman named Emily Fletcher. And I got to meet Emily with a few of my friends who are also going to be on the podcast coming up here shortly to discuss a very cool sound table they are creating that does much more than sound. Teaser trailer, but back to Emily. Emily is somebody that I met about a year ago. She was on Aubrey's podcast and is an expert in meditation.

And I was like, oh, cool. That'd be cool to have you on. And for whatever reason, things didn't work out. We didn't get on the podcast then. And I found out from one of our mutual friends that she was going to be in town and she was actually going to do a workshop, one of her more accelerated workshops where it'd be a bit more intensive, but we would get the full gamut of all of her wealth and knowledge when it comes to meditation, how she learned, who she learned from, all of the tips and tricks that go into this.

And for most people right now thinking about meditation, like, oh, I got this or yeah, I've tried it, but I don't really get it. I got my hand raised to both of those. I've tried just about everything under the sun from different forms of breath work, mindfulness, apps and devices and technology and all sorts of cool shit that works for a little bit. And then for whatever reason, just doesn't stick. And as I went through this with Emily, I noticed a hell of a lot of changes. I was like, holy shit, I feel like I'm learning how to surrender. There was many things that kind of brought me back to the feeling that I had in my first ayahuasca journey. And I will say this, and then I'll get to the ads and let Emily take it away. But this tool, this form of meditation, I would put as significant a tool as my first ayahuasca session. Obviously not as visual, not as purgative, but in every other way, just the same. There is a squeezing that takes place. She talks about a

detox, a release of emotions, all sorts of shit, stuff that I would never even think of being on my radar from the act of meditating. And of course, you know, as we get into in the podcast, meditation is a very, very large umbrella. But needless to say, this is one of the most important tools that I've ever learned. And what's great about this podcast is that Emily dives really deep into a lot of what she taught me in the workshop. So you guys are going to get that all for free. And she's also running $100 off for the entire month for her online course. So no need to worry about COVID y'all can find out more and I'll link to her website and the show notes with the link for the discount. So hope you guys enjoy this one as much as I did. Emily is absolutely incredible. And, um, this was a fantastic

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seminar working with you with Ziva Meditation. And these are normally five days, correct? Well, intro talk plus four day course. Okay. So yeah, we did get the crash course and I want to dive into all of that. But first, I want to learn about you. And I got to learn a little bit about you in the intro video, which I will link to in the show notes if it's cool for everyone to watch. Yeah. Because it's awesome. And yeah, it's funny. I was dragging my heels to that. Like, I don't want to fucking watch this thing. I was like 20, 27 minutes. And so I watched it like

22, I watched it on the day of, and I was like, this is really good. This is awesome. It was awesome. Like I was glued to it. I didn't want it to end and not blown smoke. Like it was super informative and gave me, it, it, it was like the appetizer. That was a thing where I was like, Oh wow, this is going to happen. Okay, cool. A little amuse bouche. Uh-huh. Yep. It got me going. So, but, um, tell us about your life. What drew you to India? What drew you to understand this and what was life like prior to that? So I was on Broadway for 10 years. So I've always been into performance. I mean, it's not fighting, but you still, I mean, it's eight shows a week, six days a week,

you have one day off and you're doing PT that day. So you really have to be optimized physically, emotionally, vocally, because if anything's going on in your body, your voice will show it. If you're nervous, it shows up in your voice. If you're sick, it shows up in your voice. And it's such a psychological game singing. And so even more than dancing for me, singing was like, oh, I have to be on my game specifically emotionally. And I did an okay job of it. I mean, I've worked nonstop for 10 years on Broadway, which is its own feat, but it had its cost. And my last Broadway show was a chorus line. I was understudying three of the lead roles, which means you have no idea which character you're going to play. That led to extreme nervousness and anxiety. I had insomnia for 18 months. I could not sleep through the night. So then to sing and dance

with no sleep is again, like another performance thing you got to figure out. Long story short, I found meditation. It cured my insomnia on the first day of the first class. I stopped going gray. I'm 41 now. I don't really have gray hair. I was 27 when I started going gray. I didn't get sick for eight and a half years. I started enjoying my job again. And so finally, I was like, why does everybody not do this? Left Broadway, went to India, started what became a three-year training process to teach. And then since graduating, I've taught 40,000 people to meditate, which I'm very proud of. And the book, my book came out last year and it's been translated into 14 languages. Oh, wow. And that feels exciting because it's so popular. It's almost like passe in the US meditation. Everyone thinks they're meditating. Everyone thinks they

know what it is, even though they really don't. But in these languages where the book is being translated, I think in some civilizations and cultures, it's quite new. So that feels exciting to me. Hell yeah. And yeah, to be clear, like meditation, I've talked about on this podcast a number of times. I've talked about different forms of meditation, which might fit under that umbrella loosely. That's called meditation. And you've given so many examples, but I mean, just like just the one example of Kundalini as the energy is rising, like you're going to let that energy rise to the top from the ground to the top versus in Ziva, you're going to take that from the top down, like you're anchoring a seed into the earth.

Like that was such a great visual. And that's exactly what my experience has been. And that's really what I want. I have no trouble getting jacked up. I have no trouble getting energy on up. I have no trouble getting energy on high for a podcast, for my son when I get off work, even if I'm going to be dragging ass on my drive home, but I got to meet him where he's at. So I'm going to gear up for that. That's never been an issue for me. Calming down has been an issue for me. And it's funny you

mentioned the gray because I started losing my hair and getting white in my beard the moment we had bear. Wow. At 33. I was like, oh, this is, this is, okay. Wow. Do you think it was sleep deprivation? Without question. Yeah.

Without question. Yeah. And, but that's just persisted, you know, even in between, I think from general stress. And we'll talk about stress, but talk about your time in India and talk about the lineage of the meditation masters that you sought out. So I did not, I was not in India for the full three years. I'm not that hardcore. My training was very hardcore, but it just wasn't in India the whole time. It was transcribing books by hand in Sanskrit. It was thousands of hours of apprenticing. It was about 18 hours a week of meditation. So many hours a day, not just a meditation, but this thing where

it's like gentle asana practice into pranayama, into meditation, into a lie down. And when you do that in a row, you do that consecutively. It's just de-exciting, de-exciting, de-exciting. And you are just slowing down your whole nervous system. And the point of that massive amount of meditation is just to heal your own nervous system because nobody wants to learn meditation from a stressed out, angry person. So it's like, you've got to clean your own house. If you're going to raise your hand and say, Hey, I want to teach this. This particular lineage, it's born out of Northern India. Like now geographically, it would be Pakistan. So Ziva is its own thing, which I'm sure we're going to talk about, but the meditation portion of Ziva is based on something called Nishkam Karma Yoga, which means union attained

by action hardly taken. Lazy man's meditation, which I think you're talking about that de-excitation. It's like a seed going down, grounding you, which is different than like a Wim Hof breathing technique or a Kundalini or a holotropic breathing, which are all awesome. They're just different tools for different things, right? Like to excite or to unblock energetic channels in the body, beautiful tools. Ziva to me is more like the mother scale. It's like you reminding yourself that you are God pretending to be human. It's you reminding yourself that you are not exclusively this body. It is accessing that pure energetic source internally. And that to me, if you're doing that every day, twice a day, it's going to impact everything else in your body,

every cell, every decision, every interaction. And so that's the lineage. Based on Nishkam Karma Yoga, it's also a Sarasvati lineage, which is a feminine lineage. Sarasvati is the goddess who is representative of music and knowledge. Also, this is a bit of a tangent, but this lineage, it comes out of the Vedas, V-E-D-A, Sanskrit word that means knowledge. Knowledge of what? Knowledge of nature. And so all the Vedas are a human interpretation of natural law. It's not a doctrine. It's not a dogma. It's not a religion. It's not a polytheistic religion where you're like worshiping lots of deities outside of you. Like all of that is a sort of misinterpreting through our Judeo-Christian Western lens, something that is not meant to be a doctrine or a dogma.

I should burn my Ganesh doll that's on the altar. No, you don't have to burn it. Just know that Ganesh specifically is representative of the remover of obstacles, but there is a remover of obstacles inside of you. And Lakshmi, who's like the goddess of abundance, as people call her, she's not like, you're not praying to the goddess of money. She's representative of the piece of you that has access to abundance already. Shiva is not the god of destruction.

He's representative of the piece of you that destroys irrelevancy. And so the whole, the fundamental principle of the Vedas is that there's only one thing and we're all it. And that one thing is consciousness. So these different anthropomorphized characters are just ways to humanize different elements of ourselves. And it's easier to like, say, you were going to talk to Bear about the idea of creation, maintenance and destruction, right? Which is one of the big concepts we talked about this weekend. It's easier to talk to a kid about Rama, Vishnu and Shiva about three characters and like Rama really likes to create and Vishnu really likes to maintain and Shiva really likes to destroy. It's easier to tell a story about three dudes than it is to like introduce abstract concepts to children. And that's really the only reason why we anthropomorphize these. We, like I was around 6,000

years ago. I mean, maybe I was, but not in this body. That might be long enough. Yeah. The story is the ultimate way of passing information down. It's what's carried through every lineage and most places where they can write still carry things through story. You know, I think you talked about this in Pooja, you know, so we can, maybe we jump into that. I'm going to be all over the place. Great. My work in loops, but the idea that through apprenticing and human carrying the human knowledge of the wisdom from one generation to the next is more important than putting it in a book and then having that trying to be extracted from the book. Well, again, according to the Vedas, knowledge is meant for action and knowledge is meant to be

to flow through the teacher and speak to the state of consciousness of the people listening. Right? So every time, like right before we started, I just closed my eyes and I tried to tune in to open up my heart and imagine this information, this conversation, our interaction going into the hearts and minds of everyone who's listening in the now and in the future. And, you know, you could even argue the past, but that gets a little esoteric. But meaning that if I were to speak, like I'm about to come out with Ziva Kids, right? So if I was teaching 200 kids, the knowledge that would flow through me would be different than I was teaching 200 PhD scholars. Like you always teach to the room. It's the first rule of acting, know your audience. And the same rule applies with the Vedas is that the knowledge will be

dictated to speak to the state of consciousness of the people listening, right? That it's not like a set rules. It's not like, oh, the Vedas are this set book of knowledge that's never changeable. It's like, no, it's natural law and it's going to flow through people to people. I'm doing a great job of explaining that right now. I like that. Yeah. yeah. The lowest common denominator. All right, it's on my brain. Tell me about Hanuman, then we can move on from the different gods.

Well, actually, I don't know too much about Hanuman. He was like the monkey, you know, he's represented as a monkey. I think he's represented like play and mischief. Okay. But I don't, to be honest, I don't remember too much about him. He's kind of like the trickster coyote in Native American. Okay. Yeah, like the play.

Yeah, just like, let's remember to play and a little bit of like mischievous. Okay, I've been drawn to him for a while and Aubrey's got, you know, in Sedona, a giant Hanuman statue in one of the rooms that I slept in last. And I was like, I want to connect with this dude. But it's funny because I'm already connected to that.

Yeah, I mean, I feel that in you where you're just like, you are playful and a little mischievous. I get that. I get that a lot in medicine journeys where that's revealed to me anytime i've been off track where it's like you know super responsible and all work and this is what i'm building and everything's serious and it's like don't fucking forget to play you know that's the only reason that we're here the The expansion of happiness and fun. And it takes a real level of mastery to be able to play. Because if you're not in mastery of your own energy, if you're not in mastery of your own consciousness, then chances are you are going to get mired down in the doing,

doing, doing, the structure and what I call the I'll be happy when syndrome. If I just work so hard and suffer now, then I will have this imaginary perceived payoff in the future, which most people are so sick with the I'll be happy when syndrome. And so to have the luxury or the privilege of play is sometimes a return on investment of the work that you've done to master your own state of consciousness and energy previously. And then if you're in a state of play, that's when, I mean, it's like Burning Man, right? It's like the best brainstorming meetings. It's like, it's not just play for the sake of play when you're in that state of play you're in that state of creativity you are opening up the portals for creativity to use you as a vessel and so you're yes downloading

things that nature wants to cognize through you and you're inspiring other people to play as well hell yeah yeah that's from my experience there for sure let's unpack that um creation destruction maintenance destruction yeah so this is one of my favorite concepts from the from my experience there for sure. Let's unpack that creation, destruction, maintenance, destruction. Yeah. So this is one of my favorite concepts from the Vedas. And to me, it's a more valuable and enjoyable lens to look through life versus just good and bad, right and wrong, white and black, red and blue, right? One or the other. So that's what most of us have been trained in. There's heaven and hell, good guys, bad guys, every movie, most of the religions we've been exposed to, it's like right and wrong. And then you get this idea of judgment, better, best, worst.

And so everything is a scale. Everything becomes hierarchical versus this system. According to the Vedas, there's no such thing as good or bad. There's no such thing as right or wrong. There is only creation, maintenance, and destruction. And this is a fascinating lens to me, creation, maintenance, and destruction. If you lead with creation, maintenance is naturally in second place and destruction is naturally in third. And we need all three. They're all part of nature. They're all relevant at certain times, but leading with creation, meaning that I'm going to wake up today and I'm going to innovate, whatever that means for me. I'm going to redecorate my house. I'm going to get pregnant. I'm going to start a company. I'm going to write that chapter. I'm going to finger paint with my

kid. Like whatever creation, I'm going to move something from the unmanifest into the manifest, which is my definition of creation. It doesn't have to be artistic. But if you do that, the maintenance is naturally in second place. Destruction is in third. Where we humans mess it up is that we leave with creation. We like the results of our creation. And then we immediately try to maintain. We try to hold on. Let me just save that money. Let me just protect that IP. Let me just keep this relationship. I like you and you like me. So you just stay the same and I'll stay the same. And we'll just stay together forever and ever and ever. And then they break up with you, right? You start working out a little bit. You're like, oh yeah, I'm feeling strong. Got my goal weight. Now I'm just going to maintain. And the next thing you know,

you're just weaker than when you started. If you're not continually pushing the barrier, continually evolving, then you are accidentally leading with maintenance. When we do that, then destruction is nipping at our heels, right? If you're leading with maintenance, which feels safe, it's not. Leading with maintenance is the most dangerous place there is because you are waving the flag of irrelevancy for destruction to come through and clean house because nature likes creation. We're in the middle of an 18 billion year expansion cycle in our universe right now. So the name of the game is expand, evolve, create. If you do that, you get more of nature's support, that serendipity, that flow, that just, oh, I thought about the person and they called.

If we leave with maintenance, we're going to start noticing destruction nipping at our heels, right? And then when destruction leads into first place, it's not bad, but it's not elegant. And if people are listening to this podcast, they don't want to be destruction operators in the world. We need them, but we don't need everyone to be them, right? Because right behind destruction is creation. Forest fire comes through, what's next? New undergrowth. So instead of judge, so this is a bit of a homework assignment for people. I would challenge people to say this week, how many times do I judge something that's good or bad? Oh, it's sunny today. Weather's good. Stock market went up. It's so, so good.

Stock market went down. It's so, so bad. It's raining. The weather's bad today. It's like weather changes. That's his job. Stock market goes up and down. That's his job. We don't know if it's good or bad. We don't have all the information. We're not God. We can move towards God. We can expand our state of consciousness, but we ain't God. Nature has more information than we do. So who are we to judge if it's good or bad? Generally, what happens is the wider you pull your lens out, the more you can start to see those patterns. So I would say a more relevant question versus is this good or bad is where am I leading with creation? Where am I leading with maintenance? And where has destruction come through to clean house? Yeah. And when destruction is at the forefront, it's abrupt. The only constant is change. So whether that's leading

with creation and diving into the things that we wish constant is change so whether that's leading with creation and diving into the things that we wish to create or whether that's destruction making way for creation it's there's always change there's always birth death and everything in between and i think about that too but i hadn't worded it i hadn't thought about it in that way one of my favorite quotes from which i say on fucking every other podcast is there is a field outside of right and wrong, just pass good and bad. I'll meet you there. And this concept of creation, maintenance, destruction totally expands upon that. Beyond the field of right doing and wrong doing, there is a field. I'll meet you there. So good. I had some journey. I don't remember what kind it was, but that quote was just on repeat again and again and again and

again. And I still don't even really know why. I don't know why that just, I mean, just for hours was there. And I love that that's a thing for you. What do you think it means? I think it's how we alchemize polarity. And I know I just recommended this to you. I just podcasted with JP Sears and recommended it for the first time on the podcast, but the show initiation on Gaia. In the first nine or through the nine dimensions. The second one goes unity, polarity or duality, and then Trinity, four pillars of consciousness, fifth dimension, which is awesome. And then sixth dimension, once the fifth dimension is created with ascended masters, Buddha consciousness, Christ consciousness, the natural law is to give the variance of that or the equal and opposite which sixth dimension

would be what we would consider darkness or evil but that actually doesn't exist and he explains this much better than i do but this is where the architects come in because we're all beings of light and if we stood in a room that was as bright as the sun we wouldn't we'd have no contrast there's no shading we wouldn't see ourselves or anyone else so how do we come to know thyself it's with the contrast of the darkness but the darkness isn't inherently dark for the sake of evil or you know the cartoon character curling his mustache like it's none of that it's simply so we can see our light see see the light in others, shine that light, and again, know thyself more than anything else. It's a way to realize. Well, I love what you were saying to me during

the course is that idea that you can't see your shadow when you're in it. You have to look at your shadow from behind. And so to me, it's like sometimes when we're in it because of our ego, we want to perceive ourselves as pure light, pure good. We're the hero of our own story. So it's almost impossible to see your own shadow in the now. So you have to look at your past. But Alan Watts has an amazing lecture in Your It. Have you ever listened to Your It on Audible? It's 14 hours of his live lectures. It is some of the most profound teaching I have ever come across. I highly recommend it. It's on Audible, one credit on Audible. It's brilliant. And he does a whole thing on this where he's like, if it's just white, just pure white, you can't see that it's white.

He puts a black dot on the whiteboard or whatever. And like, now you can see that it's white. Same thing. If it's pure black, you don't know that it's blackness. You have to have the white dot. That's why the yin and the yang have the white dot and the black dot in the middle of the whiteness and blackness. So it's like, yeah, it's not evil for the sake of being evil. It's there for contrast. Also God, and there's a quote in Herman Hesse's Damien. You know, Herman Hesse wrote Siddhartha, his lesser known book is Damien. And the quote, the inscription in the book is something along the lines of the best spiritualists

oftentimes started as hedonists. And the whole premise of the book is that there is no, that God is not only God of light. God's God of all of it. Yeah, it's everything. And that's, to me, that represents alchemy, right? Like how do I take that in balance

and understand it differently? It's all, everything's perspective, right? Like how am I viewing this? And it doesn't mean there isn't shit to change in the world to our unique perspective as we, we start to become the architects and co-creators of our life design. That's, that's still there. And that should be there, right? That's what gives us our own free will and everything in between. But to understand it differently is to not take it as, you know, this is, there's so much wrong and blah, blah, blah, you know, and to really just

view that differently. The alchemy of that concept for me is, again, to move back into the oneness. And when we're in unity consciousness or the monad um i've only experienced that a few times once on a ketamine journey with mdma recently and all the rest in your ziva meditations so like all right ketamine without the drugs exactly and and but what's but what's the the missing ingredient you know and i think I was telling this to Austin, you know, I've had ayahuasca journeys three in a row that told me to do yoga and meditation. And on the third one, I was like, these were months apart. They weren't like three nights back to back. And on the third month in a row, I was like, all right, why do you keep telling me this?

I want new information. I don't like this message. I was like, you keep fucking saying the you keep telling me this? I want new information. I don't like this message. I was like, you keep fucking saying the same thing. I want the new stuff. And it was very firm. You will get new information when you start practicing. And I was like, oh shit, I'm sorry.

Okay. And so I limped into different yoga practices. I think I did Bikram for a while. And then we found Breathe Los Gatos with Jen Pru, which was awesome. Really started to help me learn yoga. But meditation along the way, I tried everything and would, as I mentioned to you, sometimes touch on it. Just like in fighting, sometimes I fought in flow and the whole fucking thing slowed down like Neo in the Matrix. And I never understood the steps necessary to get back to that.

Most of the time I was in pure panic mode when I fought and most meditations I've had, you know, just a, all right, I'm supposed to do this now, so I'm going to do it. Sure, got to clear my mind. Yeah. And, you know, I would, with a focus, and I want to dive into this, obviously, with some of the core differences between what you teach and what I've learned. I love the book, The Science of Mindfulness by Ronald Siegel. It's one of the great courses on Audible. And he talks about a lot of these benefits that you talk about in the intro video. And so, that's been a draw for me because who wouldn't want all those things? Better performance, better sex, better sleep, better mind-body connection, better immune system. And so getting into that, I was like,

cool, let's try that. But it always started with a focal point, like either focusing on a candle flame or focusing on my breath, the feeling of it coming in and out. And then doing Wim Hof breathing and things like that, or holotropic breathwork, it was easier for me in a sense because I was able to push and focus on that push. But that still, even though it was flooding my neurochemistry and making me feel better, it wasn't the same as shifting gears down all the way down into this slow crawl and everything that comes from that, which I want to dive into. Huge, just vast differences there. So can you unpack some of the main differences from that umbrella of what we've come to understand meditation in the West versus what you've learned and what you teach? Sure. Happy to. First, I would like to hear like how you're feeling and how you're doing. We're four days in now. Yeah. I have, even though it's not the point, I've touched the bliss field many more times than

expected. And just the bliss field I would define as like a verifiable fourth state of consciousness. So you're accessing a state of consciousness different than waking, sleeping, or dreaming. And you're four days into your meditation career, right? Like it doesn't take months and months or years and years to master. It happened on day, it happened the very first time we meditated. And it was funny because I was like, all right, set and setting, maybe I'm going to have to do this at Austin and Adam's crib each time. And I'm going to need this spot on the couch and Emily's going to have to be in front of me. Fly Emily from New York every time I'm going to meditate. But yeah, and we'll unpack why that's not the purpose behind it. But

getting into those states has been great. And then as you mentioned, it is a detox. And the first time you said it, I was like, all right, I've learned enough from plant medicines to not just shit it out. And because of my felt experience, I'm all ears for you. And I did have a beginner's mind. But yeah, it's been a fucking super hard detox. Like there was,

as I told you, I think day two, I had a beautiful meditation with you guys. It was actually incredibly peaceful and I felt amazing and I had energy afterwards. And then I had a fucking, just a well of anger. you guys was actually incredibly peaceful and and i felt amazing and i had energy afterwards and then i had a fucking just a well of anger the whole rest of the day until i went to bed i was fucking pissed off yeah and it was like i've and again i've learned enough from the from past medic medicine experiences not to stuff that down to actually allow that and then to pause before i

communicate with my son or anybody else that I might want to fucking chew their head off. And that was challenging and hard. And I was like, oh, it was almost like in the alchemist, he says, when a person sets out on their journey, the whole of the universe conspires on their behalf. And then when they come to the final point of of their their path in life they will be tested on everything they've learned and so it felt like oh here comes the full challenge and obviously i'm not i haven't made it to the full path yet but um what i was telling austin is that this has been a key missing ingredient in all the medicine medicine work that I've done. And I've opened my body with yoga and I've done the ice baths and all these other things that ground me and bring

me back into 3D reality. So I'm not just a floating head in space talking about ayahuasca every other day or this dope vision I had or any of that stuff, but how does that change my life? One thing it hasn't done is it doesn't remove stress. It will illuminate and show me plant medicine. It will illuminate and show me where my stresses are and maybe some different options on how to move into a better reality. What I want to call in, like, okay, these are the things I have as an intention, reveal these things, but it's up to me to heal that. It's up to me to process that. And I've never really had a great means for doing so until now. And I feel like I've been given the fucking key to the city right now. And I've had neck pain, old injuries that would flare up from shitty diet or a night drinking with friends, like my knees and my neck, which has been broken,

all this stuff. And when quarantine hit, it felt like all the injuries were back. And I was like, that's weird. I'm eating super clean. I haven't been going out. None of it added up. And then as we began to talk about stress, I realized, you talked about what you're preventing as you do work in the spiritual, as opposed to doing work on the psychological, as opposed to doing work on the body. And you said what you're doing, if you access the spiritual to clean house is going to prevent that from showing up in psychology.

And it's going to prevent that from showing up as cancer or some disease, disease inflammation in the body. Right. And I'm like, right. As you're saying that the light bulb goes off. Oh, it's in the body, right? And I'm like, right as you're saying that, the light bulb goes off. Oh, it's in the body already. It's moved from the spiritual through the psychology and into my body. And this is the manifest level of stress. And that understanding was great for me because as

I've meditated in four days, my neck has loosened up considerably and my knee doesn't hurt. I couldn't get into half lotus. I couldn't get into half lotus. I've torn my meniscus in my right knee three times, just tore it like two months ago with bear jumping off of a cliff and the water was shallow. And I can easily get into half lotus now. And I'm like, oh man, maybe in a few months, I'll get back into full lotus. It's really cool to see these changes incredibly rapidly. So again, please take the floor. But my experience has been fucking out of this world. Yes. I'm so happy of all the things you just said, which all make me so thrilled. Like this is why I do what I do. Like I get off on people being like, my knee is better. My neck that used to be hurting is not hurting anymore. I feel like

this is the key to the kingdom. Like that's how I felt too. I was like, this is the key to the kingdom. This is the mother skill. It will make everything else better because it is, like you said, healing you on a cellular level. All that stress from the past that we've been accumulating, that stuff's already there. We have to deal with it. And as you're changing your state of consciousness in the now, it's going to change the way you process stress in the future. So it's like we can do all the other things and all the other tools are awesome and necessary. Yoga, breath work, ice baths, plant medicine, it's all great. But if you are not accessing your own fulfillment internally and handling the backlog of stresses, you are going to be handicapped. You're just not going to be able to perform as you could

if you do this thing, if you handle your stress truly. So, okay. So your question originally, before I asked you how you were doing was a delineate that what's the difference between all these other techniques and Ziva, everything that's lumped into the giant bucket of meditation, right? Because people will be like, oh, Emily, you know, biking is my meditation or cooking is my meditation or Facebook is my meditation. I'm like, no, wrong answer. Facebook is Noah's meditation, especially not right now. Meditation is called meditation and I would define it as a verifiable fourth state of consciousness. So different than waking, sleeping, or dreaming. So it's not like a guided thing on an app. It's not a guided thing on a YouTube video, which those are fine. I would just put anytime someone's guiding you through, I would put that in the category of mindfulness, right? And so specifically

the Ziva technique is a trifecta of mindfulness, meditation, and manifesting are the three M's. And I like those three buckets because it encapsulates almost all the practices. Mindfulness being, I would define it as the art of bringing your awareness into the present moment, which is beautiful and necessary. And so you could imagine your chakras, imagine a waterfall, like you could count your breaths, but anytime you're focusing, right? Like I'm going to direct my focus. My prefrontal cortex is engaged. I'm in my waking state. The type of meditation that I teach is all about surrendering. It's all about letting go. It's all about deep rest. So you're not focusing. It's not about engaging the mind. It's not about clearing the thoughts. So for anyone who has felt like a meditation failure, like this sounds cool.

I want some of what Kyle's having, but I can't clear my mind because my mind is too busy. I really want people to listen up right now, because this is important. The mind thinks involuntarily, just like the heart beats involuntarily. So stopping the mind from thinking is not the point. No one cares if you're a good meditator. Everyone cares if you're good at life. And so with Ziva, you're giving your body rest that's about two to five times deeper than sleep. And that's not an insignificant point because when you give your body the rest that it needs, it knows how to heal itself. And with this, you're not just healing your stress from today, which is what mindfulness does. You're actually getting rid of all your stress from the past. That's also really important because

if all you're doing is dealing with your stress from today, which is what most of the apps and YouTube videos are doing, the guided stuff, people are like, yeah, I've tried it. It's cute. I don't really have time for that. The reason why people think that meditation is cute and like a bubble bath for your brain is that they're spending their time doing it. I spent 10 minutes on this app and I feel okay, feel better, but it's not like giving me hours back in my day. Not my sex is not extraordinarily better. My innovation is not markedly better. And the reason why Ziva gives you this massive ROI is it's not just handling the stress from today. It's going through and systemic systematically getting rid of all that stuff

in your body. And I would even argue the stuff that we've inherited in our epigenetics as well. It's not just this lifetime. It's the stuff that's coming in from before. So there's the meditation portion. It feels kind of like a nap sitting up. It's very restful. It's very easy. It's for people like us. It's for people with busy minds and busy lives. Whereas most mindfulness practices as they're being taught today are derivations of monastic practices, meaning they were originally designed for monks. So even though Ziva is based on something that's 6,000 years old, it was made for people who live in life and have kids and have jobs and they actually have less time in their day with which to meditate. So if you're not a monk

and you only have a few minutes in your day to meditate, you actually need a technique that is more powerful. Whereas a lot of people think whatever the monks are doing must be the most powerful. They must be vibrating or levitating, but it's the opposite. Monks are meditating all day so they can afford to do a practice that is gentler. Their contribution to society is meditating all day so they're laundering the collective through their practice versus for us as householders, you have less time. So you've got to dip in, access that divinity. And then through your commerce, through your relationships, through your families, you're delivering that bliss and fulfillment. So the technique is actually more powerful and easier because you're not trying to put a square peg in a round hole. You're not trying to be a monk when

you're not a monk. You're not trying to clear your mind when that's effing impossible. The reason why everyone thinks that meditation is hard is they're trying to do monk practices when they're not monks. So there's my soapbox on that. Okay. So mindfulness, very good to deal with your stress in the now. Meditation, very good to deal with your stress in the past. And then the manifesting piece is really you consciously creating your dreams for the future. What do you want your life to look like? And a lot of us think we're manifesting. That word's become kind of a buzzword. It's even like a little like passe now. Cause it's like, oh, well manifesting is privileged or manifesting is magical thinking. And yes, it is an effing privilege, but I would argue that if you have the privilege of manifesting, you better use it

for yourself and for the world. Like get clear on what you need to be contributing, get clear on how you can contribute your gifts to raise everybody up. And that takes conscious intent. You don't just wake up a morning and like magically discover your dream. You don't magically change the world by accident. That takes intentional conscious design. And that's all manifesting is.

So the way I teach it is that you use this sacred time at the end of the meditation where the right and left hemispheres of the brain are functioning in unison. And here's the CliffsNotes cheat sheet to manifesting. Ask the question, what would I love right now? That's it. What would I love right now? What would I love put you into spirit, put you into possibility? Not what do I want, which is lack and need and desire, but what I love, what I love now,

present moment awareness. Now, a lot of us think we're manifesting, but we're secretly complaining. Why can't I lose this weight? Why does she have a boyfriend and I don't? Why does he have more Instagram followers than I do? Why does he have more money than I do? It's like, if you ask terrible questions, you're going to get terrible answers. You ask a beautiful question, like, what would I love? Your brain's going to answer that for you, not only in the sitting, but throughout your whole day. Yeah, it's powerful. I just started the Neville Goddard book that you recommended that's only 40 minutes. What's the name of it again?

Feeling is the Secret. It's only 40 minutes. We'll link to that in the show notes as well. My boy Jose will do that. And one of the things that he was talking about is a same concept that Joe Dispenza teaches, really, is that the felt experience is the thing that maps the subconscious, and that is our tool to bring things into reality. So, we actually have to feel it as if it is so. And Paul Cech taught me this a long time ago, the echo test. If you stood at the Grand Canyon and you said,

I want to lose 20 pounds and feel great, well, it goes back. I want to lose 20 pounds and feel great. The wanting keeps it out in front of you like a carrot in front of the horse's mouth. So we say it as Jesus taught as if it is already so. That's how we bring it in. But it's not just the affirmation of that thing. It is actually dreaming it and feeling it and visualizing it. But more than anything that you see in your mind's eye, it is actually feeling into that experience and feeling freedom, feeling community, feeling, and I'm naming things that I've been calling in for myself. We just had Joyous Heart on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and we're building a community together where we're going to have all of our own food, our own power, our own water, our own everything. Yep. Out here, about 50 minutes from here, 45 minutes from here, near Lake Travis. And it's incredible. Regenerative Agri-Education, the whole deal, onsite education for all of our kids,

where they can run and play like we did when we were kids, you know, but like feeling, what did that feel like for me to run around, have my mom be like, get out of, and I'll remove the F-bomb, but get out of the house. Don't come back until it's dinner time and stay within an earshot. You got to hear my voice. Okay, mom, we're out. And then we play all day and we come back starving and we're not worried about someone grabbing our kids and taking them up the I-35 or down the I-34. We're not worried about that. It's to give that gift to my kids. Something that's lost where now we just take a pair of jujitsu in a school and a play date at someone's house and all these things that are always under supervision. That kind of thing, right?

And so much more, that freedom for him, but the freedom for me to walk through a walking garden and pick all organic biodynamically grown food and just eat berries right off the bush. I'm coming. You know? Oh yeah, you are coming for sure. A five acre crystal lagoon that is saltwater and has one one thousandth the chemicals of a swimming pool where you can do stand-up paddleboarding and kayaks that have the you know clear bottoms so you can look down you know like it is and he calls it home heaven on mother earth and like that bam that resonates with me like I'm bald but my hair's standing up on the back of my head you know what I'm saying like yeah that level of resonance is felt.

And so those are the things that I've been calling in. But whatever it is that you're calling in, it must be felt in order to make it reality. And then action steps too. It's not just the, I've really been feeling into all this money. You know, it's like, no, no, no. Like, yeah, fucking put your feet on the ground in 3D reality and make that happen. So I've been playing with a lot of this and it's

awesome. I already know that's happening. And Dispenza talked about that too. The difference between intention and surrender when you're manifesting is intention is the thing that you're calling in and you feel that. Surrender is the letting go of how and when it shows up. 1000%. I preach this all day, every day. We got to get clear on what we want, which that sounds simple, but it is shocking to me, myself included, how infrequently we do this. We really sit down and like, what is the vision? What is the design? We can have a vague thing of like, oh, I want this product to be successful. Like Ziva Kids, right? It's coming out in February. Like I wanted to change a generation of kids' lives. So what does that mean? 10,000, 50,000, 100,000 students? Like,

is it in schools? Like what is really the dream for this kid's meditation training? And so it's, what do we want? You're very clear. Like I can see it. I can feel it. I can see that crystal boat. I can taste that water. I can see the kids playing. Like you're so clear in it. I can immediately see it. And I can even see myself there. And it's, and until we realize that like, when you're clear on what we want and why we want it, like for me, it sounds like your big thing is for your kid and also for your own health and live in sovereignty. But what do we want and why we want it? When we start to get with the, like when and the how we start controlling it. And then we start looking at it through our limited

left brain human lens. And we take nature's magic out of it. Again, like nature has more information than we do. So what we got to do is place our order with the cosmic waitress very specifically, especially in the beginning, when we start our manifesting career. And especially as we start a meditation career, our bank account's not super flush, right? So like the waitress is like, she's good. She's proficient, but she's not a pro. So she's like a really hot little dumb waitress, right? You're gonna be like, okay, I want a Cobb salad. I don't want any bread. I want the dressing on the side. I want to make sure that the bacon is this, that, and the other. And I don't want any ice in my water. Like you got to be very specific with your order with the cosmic waitress. Once you start

doing this stuff for a while, get some more money in your banking out, you can go to per se, you can go to the fanciest 10 course tasting restaurant. You just sit down and they just bring you shit, right? You don't have to order at those restaurants. It's just like, oh, I'm sure the chef is going to do much better than I could. So just surprise me, right? But you've done, that's a level of mastery that very few people get to because it takes many years of placing the order specifically, knowing the what, knowing the why and surrendering the when and the how. Right. And it's, so it's like, if we place the order with the waitress, but then go back into the kitchen and try and make it, they're going to kick you out of the restaurant. Get out of here. It's not your job. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Talk, talk a bit more

about what we're tuning into in this meditation because, or I mean, actually just expand upon this one that really stood out for me and continues to stand out for me is that thoughts aren't the enemy. And you did this on a diagram on a board and showed the dropping in and what comes up as a means for the stress detox, the accumulated stress detox. And I can tell you a very personal story about one of my experiences in meditation where I was in the party. Yes, please. Okay, so I'll get the groundwork for the concepts, then I'd love to hear your story. Okay. So the main thing is, like I mentioned earlier, thoughts are not the enemy of Ziva meditation,

effort is. So the mind thinks involuntarily, just like the heart beats involuntarily. So trying to give your mind a command to stop thinking is as impactful as trying to give your heart a command to stop beating. It does not work. And yet this is the criteria by which everyone is judging themselves as to whether or not they can meditate. It's why everyone thinks they're failing. It's why everyone thinks it's hard. I dedicated my whole book to anyone who's tried meditation and felt like a failure. You're not a failure. You just haven't been taught yet. It's an effing skill. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow and be like, oh, I'm going to speak

Japanese for 20 minutes today until I took a Japanese class. Why would you expect yourself to meditate? You introduced me to a mutual friend last night. I went to go meet him just for an intro. He's like, so just give me some tips. Like I'm going to do it tomorrow morning. I'm just going to sit down for like 20 minutes. Give me some pointers. And I was like, no, I can't teach you to meditate in 20 minutes. Like it's a full deal. It's a skill. Right. And this is not a toy. This is a Ferrari. You want the keys, the Ferrari. I got to make sure you have the driving instructions. Right. So anyway, thoughts are not the enemy. And actually the thing, the bubble diagram that you were describing is me illustrating that in this

particular practice, we use something called a mantra. And that word is very misunderstood as well. People think that the word mantra means like an affirmation, like I'm a strong, angry woman, or like, I am good. I'm good enough. I'm funny enough. And gosh, darn it. People like me. But those are affirmations and affirmations are great. I sometimes use them when I work out. There's power in shouting the thing across the canyon and having it reverberate back via your cells. But mantra is actually a Sanskrit word. Man means mind and trup means vehicle. And so when we talked earlier at the beginning about the de-excitation process, about the mind going down and accessing this deep rest, the thing that induces that is

something called a mantra. So what we use in Ziva, they're meaningless primordial sounds. And the whole point of them is the sound quality that de-excites the nervous system. You de-excite something, you create order. When you create order in your body, this lifetime of stress that we have in our cells can start to come up and out. When that stress comes up and out, it starts to excite the nervous system. And then the mind starts having thoughts because that's what mind activity is, thoughts. So the cool thing here is that when you're having thoughts in meditation, if you have a tool that's designed for you, if you have some training and you know what you're doing, then thoughts during meditation are actually an indicator that stress is leaving the body. It's not an indicator that anything's

going wrong. It's not an indicator that you're a failure or that you can't meditate because you're thinking about work. It's just your body releasing stresses. And once you understand that, once you have that permission slip, the whole thing becomes infinitely easier because then you're like, oh, thank you and goodbye. Thank you and goodbye. You understand it as the catharsis that it is versus feeling unnecessarily like a failure. Yeah. And because it's impossible to get rid of them, it's kind of like it's truly, it's not impossible to stuff down emotion, but you have not cleared that emotion.

It's still fucking there in the closet. Yeah, you have to cut it out in a couple of years. So like a big lesson plant medicines have taught me is actually to sit with it, to process it, to look at it. Like the buffalo medicine is to go shoulder to shoulder with your herd into the storm headfirst because that's the fastest way through the storm and to not turn away and not try to outrun it because it just stays perpetually right next to you the whole time. And in the

processing of emotion, just like I had talked about with all the fucking anger that I experienced after the bliss state out of left field, It was that because of your teaching, the understanding that, oh, this is going to happen and it'll likely happen again. And it's not good or bad. It just is. Right. And as soon as I come to terms of that, I can let that flow from me and it might take all day, but that's okay. Yeah. And it's actually an indicator that your body feels safe enough that you've now let your body know like, hey, I can give you access to true bliss, true fulfillment in the only place that it resides, which is inside of me. And once your body knows that, you actually feel safe enough to let go of that anger, to let go of that sadness, to let go of whatever happened to

us as children that we did not have the tools to handle at the time. Now that the body feels safe enough, it can start to release that. Yeah. And pairing that with the thoughts, you know, like it's been so easy for me to shift from, I mean, there hasn't been a single meditation yet where I've judged the thought or the thinking mind, right? And that is,

it can't be overstated compared to my lifetime of trying this beforehand, you know? And there are, you talked a bit about the, this will pertain to the story, but you talked about these five issues that will come up throughout the course of the meditation of the Ziva practice. And so I want you to unpack those because I've had a couple of different ones, but the fifth one, the baseball bat, that was always how I use breath work. You know, like if the thinking mind came back and I caught myself thinking and, you know, just, I'm really going to feel this inhale in the nostril now, you know, and it'd be like some loud audible fucking inhale and exhale through the nose. Yeah. Full lungs. Now I've been going,

you know, half long, real, real nice. And then it's just idiot, you know, like is that I'm just being in a state of allowing and it's such a different feeling there's grace in that there's ease in that you know and that's a that's a all of these things whether it's uh mushrooms or ketamine and right set and setting of course um to ziva there are microcosms of the macrocosm so when bear is being a wild animal and acting like some of the other students in his class and has picked up some bad habits, it just is. It's not, what is wrong with you? I can't let you fucking become this shitty person that you'll be at 50 and no one will like you and you'll never have friends and you'll lose every job. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. That's

not here now. And you're just five. That's okay too, right? I was a dick when I was a kid. Like, yeah, I can remember that. Yeah. And this is the syllabus. If he doesn't push the boundaries, you don't have the opportunity to teach him. And the best way I can teach is by showing up in a way that mirrors what I want from him. Yeah. As opposed to telling him and forcing it down his throat and whooping his ass or any of the ways we try to control our kids and show them the way by not living or being the way. Instead of just healing ourselves. This is the whole thing in Ziva Kids. It's like mostly I'm training the parents. I'm like, look, if your kids are stressed, it's likely because you're stressed. And so actually there was a study out of Yale where they had kids that were having pretty intense anxiety. And so they didn't even treat the kids.

They only put the parents in therapy and 90% of the kids' anxiety reduced. They didn't treat the children. They only treated the parents' shit and the kids got better. And so even though Ziva Kids is a kids' meditation training, it's like, I'm really telling the parents like, hey, you got to clean your own house. And it's as you are talking about so beautifully, I love how invested you are in your parenting. It's an opportunity really to reparent ourselves, right? That we get to have the compassion and the boundaries and the love and the understanding that maybe we didn't get at that age and to heal ourselves as we're not even healing them, but just letting them unfold. Yeah. Will Tegel taught me that. Dr. Will Tegel's out in Wimberley. He's written eight books. He

wrote Walking with Bears when he's 77. He's worked with Native Americans and he's a true elder in every sense of the word. But he was talking about that. He has a PhD in psychology as well. So modern science meets Native American wisdom. That's Will Tegagle. And he was saying, from Jung's standpoint, all of those selves that we've lived are still with us. And even though we have no ability to change the past per se, every self is still in me. So if the seven-year-old who got it not the way, that seven-year-old self is healed in the way I respond to Bear's seven-year-old self differently than it happened to me, right? And that's, I mean, that may sound like hocus pocus, but when you live it,

there is no doubt that that mirror is mirrored as within, so without. And we have those opportunities with our kids if we treat them as our teachers and we understand that, oh, wow, all those memories do get to be reimagined as I work it out differently with my children. Yeah. And I think that even for people who aren't biological parents, you can still reparent yourself. And I'll actually share a technique that's pretty advanced, but I think valuable and powerful no matter where you are in your journey. And conceptually, it's just this idea that as you uplevel your state of consciousness in the now, which is what meditation does by healing that stress in yourselves, you change the lens through which you see your past. And if you change the lens to which you see your past, you are changing the past, right? Like if I like myself now and I'm happy with where I am in life now, I can look back at sexual abuse or my father's alcoholism or my

dad passing away from cancer when I was 24 or any of the shit that's happened in my life and be like, oh, because of that, I am resilient. Because of this, I am who I am. Thank God that happened because I like who I am and where I am now. If I'm not happy now, I don't like who I am and where I am right now. I'm going to be looking at my past, looking for all the things that needed to change and all the people I need to blame. We're still in victim mentality rather than co-creator mentality. 100%. So that shift in the now will by nature change your past. And as you change the lens through which you perceive the past, you do change the past, which automatically up-levels your state

of consciousness in the now, which up-levels your future. So it becomes a sort of infinity loop, right? You up-level the now, up-levels the past, up-levels the future, and it becomes this beautiful upward spiral. So what I would recommend, especially for people who do already have a practice, and if you don't, you just go to zivameditation.com. We have an online training. I mean, after you sit and meditate, once you've accessed, you know, de-excited the nervous system, I would recommend, you know, spending five minutes, doesn't have to be a long time and go back and visit an earlier version of you. It could be a specific event, or it could just be you at five, eight, 15, whatever it is, and just go sit with yourself. You could see yourself like on the front porch of your childhood

home, maybe even walk through every room of your childhood to kind of get you back into that mental space, you know, and sit with your five-year-old self and just say, Hey, you know, would you like me to hold your hand? Would you like me to pat your back? Like what would feel good to you right now? And ask them like, how are you feeling? What's coming up for you? And then just communicate whatever it is you feel like you would have loved to have heard at that age. Hey, you're not alone. Hey, you make it out of this alive. Hey, this is not your fault. Everyone is doing the best that they can with the tools that they have, and you're not doing anything wrong. And this is going to make

you so much stronger. Whatever you feel like that little version of you would have needed to hear. And again, that might sound a little hippy-dippy, but it is profound. I have led many people through this exercise and done it myself. And the ripple effect of this can be massive and it doesn't have to take a long time. Yeah. And coming at it from the, in the wake of touching unity, in the wake of clearing so much, it's such a powerful state to engage with the past or the future. Yeah. Such a power. And same with manifesting. Cause just like you said, the manifesting is all about feeling good. So if you manifest after the meditation, it supercharges the practice. It's like, it's why sex magic works because you're taking the pleasure of sexuality and physical pleasure, and you're moving that towards the intention of what you want to create.

So sex magic is just like Ziba meditation, but on crack, right? Where you're just, you're flooding your brain and body with dopamine and serotonin in the meditation portion and then imagining the what and the why from that space of feeling good and imagining it as if it's happening now. We did a whole podcast with Jamie Will, which I'll have Jose linked to in the show notes. And I want to send you because his next book

that comes out early 2021 is all on that. Sex Magic? Yes. It's fucking awesome. Great. Super pumped. I'm so glad. Dive into these five possible obstacles that most people run into.

Okay. And then I'll give you my story of how so much has come. Just share the story. Okay. So the five things that happen most commonly in the mind of a meditator, we even call them obstacles because three are correct, two are incorrect. And so the first is the thought train, right? You pick up the mantra, you think it a few times, it slips away, and then you're off on a trail of thinking. And this blows a lot of people's minds. They're like, wait, if I'm just sitting here thinking the whole time, it's really meditation.

And again, if you have a tool that's made for you, and if you have some training, then yes, just sitting down and trying to meditate with no training likely is going to feel like your parents putting you in timeout when you were a kid and you're going to have more resistance to it. So there's thought training. Second thing is the party. So that's where you have like the mantra and the thoughts happening simultaneously. And what I recommend is that folks, and you can even use this with breathwork, whatever tool you're using, that becomes your guest of honor. And you just see all the thoughts as either invited or uninvited guests, meaning the invited guests are the thoughts that we enjoy. The uninvited guests are the thoughts that we do not enjoy. We've got the bliss field, which is sort of like mantra, mantra, mantra.

Oh no, I think I was supposed to be meditating. Mantra, mantra, mantra. And so you realize that you're off, but there's this little space of time there where maybe you were sleeping or dozing or something. And that's what I call the bliss field, right? Where you move beyond the realm of thinking. So you've moved beyond the realm of time. And a lot of people think that this is the point or the goal, but I, this will be on my tombstone. We meditate to get good at life, not to get good at meditation, right? No one cares if you're a good meditator. No one cares how long you're in this other state of consciousness, even though it feels nice afterwards. It's not the point. And the more we try to access it, the more effort we use, and then we mess it up.

So the fourth thing that can happen is contemplation, which everyone's very familiar with where you're problem solving, you're writing the email, you're doing the spreadsheet, you're doing your taxes. And that's fine up until the point that you realize that you're off whatever technique you're doing. And then you float back to the technique. And then there's the baseball bat, which is just like, I don't like these thoughts. I don't like these sounds. I'm just going to munch, I'm going to breathe harder. I'm going to focus harder. And then you start, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like efforting, which if this practice Ziva is based on something called Nishkam Karma Yoga, right? The new efforting and trying to get rid of the thoughts is again, not the deal. All right.

I'm going to tell you about, I love that. And I've done, I have experienced all of it so far. Yeah. Yeah. Whether in the past or in, I haven't failed yet. So yeah, doing really good with it. But I think it was after, it was one of the sessions we were in and we were talking about our morning meditation

and CT was talking about, so when you wake up in the morning, it should be the first thing you do, ideally, right? And you can, if you need to go pee, you need to have some water, but then you sit. Before you get on the phone, before you engage with anybody. And CT was waking up super hungry. And so he's like, well, but if I eat, then that might change the

neurochemistry. And he's like, well, oh God, let me just have this little cutie then. Right. So yeah, he has the little cutie orange and then he gets his meditation on. And so the next, the next morning after that, and it's funny for me because it's, and I don't, this may be the case all fucking winter, but it's like whatever's underneath the surface comes up. And because we've been listening to Christmas songs since Halloween, basically, that always comes up in the meditation. It's like, ring, ring, ding, ding, a-ling, ding, ding, ding, do, ling ding ding ding do yeah lovely weather for us together with you yeah giddy up giddy up let's go let's just sing carols the rest of the podcast that would be dope christmas carols with kyle and emily and uh and so that came up but it was funny because that that hadn't come up in the morning meditation but what came up in the morning meditation, but what came up in the

morning meditation was a story you had given about the JJ Virgin event where you walked on a stage because Adam was like, can you do a high kick for us? And you're like, well, I would, but I don't have any underwear on, so I'm not going to make that mistake again. Spoiler alert, I rarely wear underwear. Neither do I, ever. And you got to freedom down there, right? Let it breathe. Exactly. Let it breathe. And so you're talking about at this event,

you know, the dance music comes on. You're like, all right, I'm going to fucking get it. You know, you got a mini skirt. And you're like, well, if I position myself this certain way and I throw the high kick as I come out, then no one in the crowd will see. But the cameraman was with the perfect angle for the full frontal right as you're at the high kick the photographer was like crouching on the side of the

stage at the direct angle of my high kick so you had mentioned this story before also and of course what comes up for me because you are super attractive is that in the meditation is me watching you throw the high kick, but I'm the cameraman. And now I'm like, oh shit, I haven't been horny in a meditation before. Like this is, this is fucking awkward. And then I think about CTs, um, orange thing. And I'm like, no, that doesn't, that doesn't. And then I mantra, mantra, mantra. And I go back in and then giddy up giddy up yeah right so like that comes in and then all right mantra mantra mantra i get back down and then the very next thing is me seeing you back on stage but you're in like a hot santa's little helper outfit and i'm like if i fucking keep going through these cycles like i'm gonna have to fucking eat the little cutie which is me

rubbing one out right now and then going back. But the same thing you had mentioned, like that little bit of sugar might kick up the neurochemistry. I'm like, if I'm taking care of myself, I'm not going to be in a position to meditate. Thankfully, through all of the struggle of that, I was able to find the bliss field and at least clear the mind whether the bliss field is the goal or not. I still got to that because I was able to just really not judge any of it, understand it. Like, yeah, it's morning time and I'm fit and I wake up ready to go as most men do when they take care of themselves. And so like that, that may be something that gets recycled. Just like, you know, there, there may be other emotions that come up throughout this experience over the course of three months,

three years, 30 years. Yeah, there's going to be some more shit, but it was just, it was funny to me. And as I, as I appreciated it and acknowledged it, then it no longer was there. Oh yeah. Super hot and throwing the high kick. And I still have the right angle. It was great. So let's talk about this because a lot of people, one, judge themselves for having thoughts during meditation. And a lot of people, when they start meditating, like these energetic channels get unlocked in the body and we unlock the root. And then the second one is the sexual chakra.

And so you're a couple of days in. So it makes sense that that energy is starting to come up to that point in the shishunyo, which is like the main energetic channel in the body. And so a lot of people then feel like, oh no, there's something wrong with me. Like we've been so like shamed about sexuality and pleasure in our Judeo-Christian like backgrounds.

Like I shouldn't be having thoughts at all. And I certainly shouldn't be having sexual thoughts, right? And it's like, well, actually this is about feeling good. It's about unlocking these energetic channels in the body. And a lot of people have like, they get aroused in the meditations. And then they're like, is this okay? Is this, is there something wrong? And it's like, no, just go for it. Like, just enjoy the sensation and know that things are healing and it's all good. And I would argue that

as those things get unblocked in the meditation, that's one of the reasons why your sex gets better in life. Because stress is not doing any of us any favors in the sex department, right? It like kills your drive, your body's in fight or flight. Last thing it's interested in is procreation. So I actually find it as like a good marker of physical health. Yeah. It's funny when you say like your sex life improves, but I'm just thinking of back, back to my college football days at Arizona state with mountains of cocaine on the weekends. And, and it didn't, it didn't matter if I had the hottest woman in front of me and a table full of Viagra, if I had done blow, I'm locked into my survival chakras. I'm locked into fight or flight. Like I couldn't get it up,

save my life on that bad drug, you know? So, but that you take that experience into just everyday stress, everyday stress will make me not horny at all. You know, it's but that you take that experience into just everyday stress. Everyday stress will make me not horny at all. You know, it's not, I mean, I'm sure I could override that if, you know, there was a lot of people are overriding it. Like they're so stressed and then they're going to like porn or vibrate, like really intense porn or vibrators, which is, you know, I'm recently friends with Layla Martin and she's this amazing Tantra teacher and she's really anti-vibrator and anti-porn, meaning that she's like, we have all this stuff inside of us. Just like with meditation, you're waking up this beautiful internal pharmacy, so you don't

need as much external stimulation. Same with sexuality. It's like, if we really unlock this stuff and have access to our full energetic capabilities, we don't need as much external stimulation. And like, just like drugs, okay, okay. It's fun to use a vibrator from time to time, or it's fun to like do this thing with my friends, or I'm really, I want to have this download for a specific reason versus like, well, I'm doing cocaine every day to get through my work day or I'm drinking coffee all day because I can't stay awake with my sleep sucks. My hands up. Wait, what coffee? No. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we were talking about. Yeah, but you're weaning down. No, I'm good now. But I'm saying in the past,

I've been full pot, modafinil, the whole deal. And one of the callings to me through plant medicine and without is just the fact that I can't access deep rest in meditation or a nap if I've chemically jacked myself up. So even if the opportunity presents itself, we're like, oh, cool, I got a two-hour block and I can actually rest today. And then I try to sit and it's like, oh no, am I like resting heart rates 130 right now? Yeah, because the caffeine is disallowing you from feeling tired. I gave a talk at the Google headquarters once called why meditation is the new caffeine and the quick science on this, which I think is interesting for folks, especially if they're feeling addicted to caffeine and don't feel able to meditate, like you just said, is that caffeine is not giving you

energy. It's disallowing your body from feeling tired. Caffeine is molecularly very similar to a chemical called adenosine, which is what your brain produces to tell you that you're tired. So because the caffeine is blocking your adenosine receptors, your brain is still producing that sleepy chemical. So when the caffeine leaves, there's a backlog of the sleep chemistry and it floods back in, which is what the crash is. So for the same amount of time that would take you to make the cup of coffee or go to the Starbucks and get the plastic cup and put it in the recycling bin or the ocean, you could meditate and create sustainable, self-sufficient energy where you're going to have feel better and your sleep is going to be better. So it's going to become a flywheel of

upward spiral versus like, oh, now I have the crash. Now I need more caffeine. Now I can't meditate. Now my sleep is worse. Now I've actually hijacked my brain and my adrenals are on overdrive. So it's not cost-free and I'm not saying don't drink coffee, right? Some people, I think for you, like a small amount of coffee will be very good for your nervous system. For me, it's toxic because we have very different doshas or body types. So I think you've got to listen to your own body.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think for me, you know, I've talked to different people about this. I've, working it on, experimented with every nootropic known to man. Caffeine gives me more access to my language and memory than damn near any of them. And paired with, you know, some organic tobacco, that's the most effective one, two punch.

And then there's alpha brain. There's other ones. Purpose as I've been advertising on here is my favorite by far. But the point is that there, there seems to be something be something that I can't reach necessarily on the podcast in terms of my accessing language and really able to communicate what I have going on inside without caffeine. Well, it'll be interesting to see what happens as you start meditating. Correct.

Like as you start to increase this neuroplasticity, like over time, like we'll see. And you talked about that too with this, you know, the 20 minutes really resulting in four or five times the level of rest of sleep. And I was like, yeah, okay, we'll see about that. And, you know, I've had Bear up at 3 a.m. I've had him come in at 5 a.m. I've had him come in and wake me up quite a bit throughout the, since we started the program and I've still been able to meditate twice a day.

And in that I have a ton of energy and I've also still, but you know, I'm down to a, a almond milk latte where, you know, and you compare that to Modafinil in a pot of coffee. That's a big difference. It's a huge difference. Congratulations. You seem really bright and shiny. I mean, your eyes are sparkly. Your energy is clear. Keep talking. You're always so bright. You're especially sparkly right now. And I know you've been getting up at four or five in the morning for the past many days. So it's really impressive.

Yeah, it feels good. And it doesn't feel, you know, there's no like mid-afternoon lull. And when I'm ready for bed, it's very easy to go to sleep whenever that is, whether that's 8.30 on one night or 9.30 or 10. It's just my ability to access rest is waiting for me. There's no trying when I go to lay down and sleep at night. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Shit. There was a question I had in my head and now it's not there. After hyping caffeine and its ability to get me access to every thought. I think we went off track when we went to the Santa's helper. Yeah, that's true. That is true. Hmm. Let me think here. Why don't you just speak about anything that you want to speak about that we haven't covered yet? I've never said that on a podcast. Talk

about whatever you want to talk about right now while I think of the next way to take this conversation. I'm happy to. Okay. I have something I want to talk about is time. So we've talked about thoughts. I think the two biggest barriers that people have to meditating is one, they think they have to clear their mind. Like, well, I can't do that. I can't sit still. I can't clear my mind. And the other one is time. They think, well, I want to meditate. Everybody's talking about it all day, every day. I know the neuroscience is in, but I just do not have time to meditate. And so the reason why people don't have time to meditate is that usually they're doing like the

apps of the YouTube videos and they're spending their time versus investing their time. And so the reason why I tend to work with such high achievers with Ziva is that people are interested in maximizing their time. It's the most valuable thing we have to give and you can't get it back, right? You can make more money. You can, you know, have more partners. You cannot get your time back once it is spent. And with Ziva, you're not spending it. You really truly are investing it. So with the online course, you know, we did 20 minutes cause we did the live, but with the online course, you graduate and it's 15 minutes twice a day. So that's 30 minutes, right? And people like,

they don't have time. And first I'm like, let me see your phone. How much time you spend on social media this week, right? And it's like, Oh, three hours a day. I'm like, really? You don't have 30 minutes to meditate and make your whole effing life better. Um, so that's one. But two is if you, the thing that you're used to is like, you feel fine on the other side, but you don't, your sleep is not better. Your productivity is not higher. Your intuition is not stronger. You don't get back hours of productivity in your day. And like, of course you don't have time. And so that's why I'm really trying to figure out like, how do I linguistically differentiate? How do I let people know that this is not a pedicure for your brain? This is not a bubble bath. This is actually a thing that is going to make you more productive.

You're going to make more money. You're going to need less sleep. You're going to get sick less often. I love it. Well, if for anybody watching this on YouTube, which is about 5% of the podcast listeners, you've seen me jot something down here. So I just remembered what I wanted to bring up. Great. And you're right on time. Like it's, it's, it's, and it's one of those things where when you feel like Wim Hof says, feeling is believing. Don't take my fucking word for it. Just do the damn thing. And then when you feel different, you'll know it for yourself. Yeah. It's it's that's, that's the difference, right? You'll look at your own sleep data. You'll see, oh, my REM is higher. Oh, my sleep latency is lower. Oh, wait, I haven't gotten sick since I started. I stopped biting my nails. And then you don't have

to believe me anymore. Yeah. You don't have to take your word for it, right? Or my word for it. And what that 20 minutes in the afternoon does for me is I don't need caffeine and how I show up at, you know, as my best self for the people that I'm around. Cause generally I'm done working pretty early in the day, like three o'clock. So when I'll go grab beer from school, I want to show up at my best. Then I don't want to limp into that with him going a hundred miles an hour and try to match, you know, it's like, let me show up as my best self. And that's been, that's been completely there. Expand more on the detox because this is a word, you know, it's, it's, you got people there, there are, we live, we, I mean, shit, I don't even know where to go this, but I wanted to, to focus on a particular person who is, is, you know, the, the food

scientist or the Cybabe, you heard of her? Anyways, she You heard of her? Anyways, she went out and had a shit-a-thon with the food babe over sugar being toxic and went into what toxicity actually is and that sugar is not toxic and all that. I was like, I think, all right, we're kind of steering in the wrong direction here. What she means is too much sugar will cause problems outside of just weight gain, right? And it is addictive, as addictive as cocaine and heroin. It's a big deal, right? Sugar addiction is a real thing. But the point is detox is also one of these words that gets thrown around a lot, like which most people say you know like

well what are you actually detoxing and then somebody like her would argue there is no real science that says glyphosate or some of these things is actually hurting you and it's i'm fucking come i couldn't be further in a different camp from that we live in a toxic fucking world absolutely and it's it's it's not enough to just drink enough water and have your electrolytes. We have to sweat. We have to move. We have to ground ourselves in nature. We have to put good things into our body, good inputs. And good inputs doesn't stop at food. It stops at everything we consume with our attention. From the media, the social media, whatever's programming us needs to be of like mind.

It needs to be something that's actually giving and making us more whole than when we started. So when you mentioned detox from meditation, that was probably the hardest piece for me to grasp. And obviously having spent the day in anger, I get it. But talk about some of these other things that happen from the body detoxing on a cellular level because it is a physical felt experience. And it really blew my mind how immediate the detoxing is and still will be quite likely flying ahead for me. Yeah. Yeah. You might have a few more layers to move through. Actually. So yesterday I went out on a friend's boat on Lake Travis with a friend who was also in the course. And he had, against my advisement, he had like a little bit of nicotine, a little bit of caffeine, and then went wakeboarding.

It was pretty cold and he'd never wakeboarded before. And so he was like figuring it out. So it's like, and he like snapped his shoulders. We got into a little bit of fight or flight and adrenaline. And then the water was kind of, it was like, you know, it was an adrenaline inducing experience. It was usually fun. But if you're on day three of a thing where your whole nervous system is recombobulating and every stress and trauma you've ever had for your whole life is coming up and out.

And then you throw yourself on like a cold adrenaline inducing thing for a while. It can be pretty intense. And his body started like tremoring for like a long time. He got back on the boat and he was tremoring. And it wasn't, it looked like he was cold, but he wasn't cold. We were trying to like warm him up. Cause that's what our, you know, just our initial thing was, but it was just, that's how his body was releasing. You know, that's what animals do when they get stressed or scared, they shake, they shake it off. And it was fascinating to watch. It was pretty intense for like 15, 20 minutes. And it started

to get, I'm not scary because I've, I've seen, you know, taught 40,000 people to meditate. So I've seen almost every flavor of this release, but this was definitely acute and intense. And then like an hour later, he felt great. And so it was just so fascinating. Like he just let himself fully process it and release it versus some people would suppress that for decades. Like I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. And that's what most people are doing is they don't have the tools to really surrender or to fully have the catharsis. So we're just trying to hold on and maintain. And what the meditation does is that it makes the catharsis non-negotiable. It makes the feeling non-negotiable. So whatever's inside you is going to get squeezed out. So if you have sadness inside, you're likely going to have some sad flavored stress coming up

and out. If you have some anxiety inside, you're probably gonna have some anxious flavored stress coming up and out. And what I try to do, and I probably overworn in my class is like, Hey, this is not, there's nothing wrong with you. There's nothing wrong with the practice. This is just part of the process. This is part of the healing phenomenon. And just like the Khalil Gibran quote, it's like the darkness carves out space for more light, right? The pain carves out space for more joy. And if you allow yourself to fully be with it and let whatever wants to come up and out, come up and out, that is the thing that's increasing your container for bliss and fulfillment and consciousness. of us are trying at all costs to avoid discomfort, we are prolonging our suffering. So we have to be willing to bravely move through the discomfort in order to get through to our full potential, our full bliss. And the good thing is that with the meditation, with this practice in particular, it's not, you don't have to force it. It's that your body feels safe enough to release.

So what's happening scientifically is that the mantra is like a vibration. Okay. So if you were to do like a sound bath or like, you know, our friends have these like opals, like the meditation beds, which I'm curious about your experience, but it's like a vibration, it's a frequency. So your body is, it's like changing you cellularly. So the opus, the meditation beds is doing that from outside to in, with Ziva, the mantra is doing it inside to out, right? And so we know that sound can be healing. If you listen to an oboe versus listening to nails on a chalkboard, it's going to do different things to your body. And so with these particular frequencies, you're de-exciting the nervous system. When you de-excite something, you create order.

When you create order in your body, this lifetime of stress we've all been accumulating can start to come up and out. Nature did not intend for us to be sick, tired, and stressed all the time. That would be mean. And nature's not mean. It's just that we're, to your point, we're not acting in accordance with nature anymore. We're eating food that isn't food. We're not in the sunshine as much as we need to be. There's toxins everywhere. And so this is just an opportunity for us to come back to homeostasis, to let the body come back to function as it was designed. And because most of us have a backlog of stresses accumulated in the beginning, there's a bit of a floodgate. And that's my job, by the way, that is my job as a teacher is to help people through that process.

It's why it's so important to learn with someone that you respect to not just like, I mean, apps are fine. If you're just want like a guided thing, if you want, it's like TV kind of, you know, TV thinks for you. Meditation, the guided stuff is like meditating for you. And a lot of people think, oh, well, I like guided meditations, but that's only because they don't have the skill yet. But once you have the skill and this true healing begins, it's important that you have some guidance and a community around that because it can be scary. Nobody wants to feel their stuff. There's billions of dollars of industry making sure we don't have to. It's like having the... I think one of the main differences between how people work with medicine in the Amazon with a black belt, a lifelong practitioner that understands the before,

middle, and after, and the integration aspects versus the self-guided mushroom journey, which can be awesome. I've had many of them, but where does that leave one in the wake of the experience and processing if we don't have a community of elders to lean on that understand exactly where you're at right now and how to move through that, how to surrender to that and how to alchemize it. It's a big one. Robert Moore talked about that in the beginning of King, We're a Magician Lover. He talked about like, we can have the temple, we can have the set and setting, we can have all the things for our initiation, but if we don't have the wise elder to guide us,

we are missing the most important ingredient in that initiation. And I think that having experienced ayahuasca 26 times and hundreds of mushroom ceremonies and ridiculously high amounts of mushrooms in one sitting of all these experiences, this one in particular does stand out. This one in particular with you has stood out because of the fact that To be clear, we were not doing mushrooms. We were just meditating. No. This form of meditation has stood out amongst all of them. They all have a seat at the table, but this might be at the head of the table because of the fact that

it is allowing me to process stuff regularly at interval. And just like with ayahuasca or God, life itself, nature, whatever you want to call that, you get what you need. And in a single ceremony, you don't heal 38 years of shit, just like in a single meditation, you don't get that. It comes in layers, get pulled off and whatever's present. And sometimes it is just awesome. Like today, just awesome so far. And that's really cool. So the ebb and flow, there's plenty of ceremonies where it was just awesome. And there's been ones where I was on the can the whole time and letting go of a lot. Big purge. Different kind of purge. So I love access, right? And that's something why I've continued to talk about float tanks and breathwork and all these different tools because the greater our medicine bag, the greater access we have to our own healing. And this is such an invaluable tool to me because once you know it, you have a key.

Once you know it, you have access and it can be done anywhere. And I'm sold. It's incredible. Absolutely. Thank you for highlighting this, which I say this word all the time of self-sufficiency. Like one of the things that makes Ziva so special is that we're training people to be self-sufficient. But the thing is that's not, it's terrible marketing language because no one wakes up in the morning and says, you know what I want? I want to be a self-sufficient meditator. No one sees the inherent value in that. But if you start to see like you did, where it's like, oh, I can do this anywhere, anytime. I now have the keys to the kingdom and no one can take them

away from me. And I have this for the rest of my life. And you really see it as a process and a journey and a gentle, gradual unfolding. And the other thing is that the benefits are cumulative. I mean, the longer you practice, the benefits are cumulative. I mean, the longer you practice, the higher and higher states of consciousness you're in. And it doesn't, you know, I still think I still do plant medicine sometimes. And there, I think there are, they all, like you said, they all have a seat at the table, but with a lot of external things that we reach to, there is oftentimes a cost like a physical or chemical rebalancing, or sometimes a monetary cost to it too.

Whereas with meditation, you know, while I do think it's important to have an investment upfront so that you have skin in the game, the physical cost on it is really just your time. I mean, the initial detox, once that's done, it's like, it's only pro, it's only additive. You're only increasing neuroplasticity. You're strengthening your corpus callosum. You're increasing the size of your hippocampus. You're balancing out your endocr only additive. You're only increasing neuroplasticity. You're strengthening your corpus callosum. You're increasing the size of your hippocampus. You're balancing out your endocrine system. You're balancing out your hormone system. So it's like, it's not, whereas sometimes you go and do, you know, MDMA, you've got the serotonin depletion. You do, I mean, mushrooms, I actually don't know what the downside are of mushrooms.

I don't think there's any downside to mushrooms when used properly. Right. True. Okay. And even stacking. So for the folks that are wondering, I think science will come to show that when you stack a tryptamine-based psychedelic like psilocybin, LSD, I wouldn't do it with ayahuasca, obviously, but DMT falls into that. Specifically psilocybin, hippie flipping, it's what the kids call it, right? MDMA and mushrooms or candy flipping, LSD and mushrooms or LSD and MDMA rather. When you have MDMA with a tryptamine like psilocybin or LSD,

I feel zero lull the next day. Really? And that, you know, I use SAMe and vitamin C and all these other tactics, you know, 5-HTP at night, these kinds of things. They're just completely unnecessary if it's stacked with psilocybin. And that's an amazing experience at Burning Man as well. So for all those that are

gearing up for the next one, when we finally get to go back, that is an awesome one. You touched on this a second ago, and this is where I was going to head next. Talk about this math of the backlog, because this is brilliant. And this is exciting for me because most people in our scientific materialistic society can see things through numbers, statistics, the data shows this, and it's like, all right, sure, and, but when you bring the spirit side to the math and you talk about what this is actually doing for us, that really resonated for me because it was like, oh, that is why we detox. That is why my neck feels better. That is why a lot of the stuff that has accumulated for 38 years, and even though I've been tracking it, I haven't been eliminating it. So I'm aware of it. My

consciousness has expanded to a point where I can see what the effect that it has. So I'm aware of it. My consciousness is expanded to a point where I can see what the effect that it has. And I know what stress means, but I didn't understand like it has already made its way into the physical body and there's no amount of massage or anything else is actually eliminating this until now. So let's talk about the backlog. This is great. So I will start by saying this is art math. It's not math math. I mean, this is meant to be illustrative versus like, this is not like hard science, but I think, but it does the point of illustrating the backlog of stresses versus the increase of consciousness that can happen.

So here's the math. As you wake up on Monday morning, you pick up 10 units of stress, right? You go to sleep Monday night. Sleep is restful enough to burn off seven units of stress. So you've picked up 10, sleep burns away seven, wake up on Tuesday, how many do we have left? Three, right? Now I pick up 10 on Tuesday, now we have 13, sleep away seven, 13 minus seven, we're waking up on Wednesday with six units of stress. Pick up 10, burn off seven, wake up with nine, 12, 15, 18.

And most of us have been doing this our whole life. Sleep is not a restful enough form of rest to handle the demands of modern day life. Then we start meditating. Here's the math on that. Pick up the same 10 units of stress. Cause I'm very sorry, but meditation doesn't take away all demands. You know, your mother-in-law still exists. Traffic is still a thing. So picked up 10, meditate away three in the morning, meditate away three in the afternoon. That's what Ziva is. It teaches you twice a day practice.

So you picked up 10, meditation burns away a total of six. You only have four left. Go to sleep Monday night, sleep burns away seven. Four minus seven, wake up on Tuesday with negative three. Pick up 10, burn off a total of 13 with the meditation and the sleep. Wake up on Wednesday, now you're at negative six. Pick up 10, burn off 13, negative nine, negative 12, negative 15. And we just keep doing this bit by bit, day by day, meditation by meditation until we've gotten rid of the entire backlog we've ever accumulated. How long does that practice take? About seven to 10 years for most people. Most people are like, hi, I was looking for the two week program. Isn't your course 15 days? And yes, it's 15 days for me

to make you a self-sufficient meditator. It's 15 days, 15 minutes a day for me to give you the keys to the kingdom. But it takes some years to unwind the decades of stress that we've been accumulating. And then, you know, the reason why we don't just do once a day is that it's like calories in calories out, right? It's like you pick up 10 units, meditate only once a day and which burns off three sleep away seven. It's like pick up 10, burn off 10, pick up 10, burn off 10. And then you're in that maintenance program, which is a slippery slope to quitting. And most people are like, yeah, I tried meditation. It didn't really work for me. One, they never got any training. Two, they were trying to do monastic practices. Three, they were only doing once a day. So we're really seeing this market change in performance.

And I love jumping headfirst into something too. It's like, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it right. You know, like I'm not going to set my cold tub to 50 degrees because that's in between land. Like I want this in the thirties and happy medium between where I want it and where Tosh wants it because I'd have it at 32 or 33 and she wants it at 40. So we got it at 37. But either way, you know, when you're in a 37 degree water, right? Especially if you're naked or in a Speedo, especially naked, like all the little bits, you get the cold just as hard. But there's a concept. I mean, I've been, from all the people that I've followed

out on the podcast, one of the concepts that came up was from Paul Selig in that, you know, his teachings on anything you damn, damns you right back. And anyone you hold in the cave of darkness, you stand right there in the cave. Because if you've got an arm on them, holding them in the cave, you're right there with them. And this is expanding upon how we release judgment, the importance of that forgiveness and expanding upon self through the illusion of I'm different than you. And sure we are right now in these bodies, but we're all one and all in each in our own perspective of God. If we are all one, then that goes back to the do unto others as you would do to yourself, because you are doing it to yourself. And anyone I hold in that position of judgment, blame,

resentment, I am doing to self, right? And I think with the divisiveness of the world, forgiveness is a key missing ingredient, and it starts with self. And this work, in my opinion, is burning karma. We might think of karma as the wrong deeds we've done to another, but there is no another. There is no other but self. And so as I've been really processing that in the meditations, I think of that as doing the work. And it's not spiritual bypass to say like, as I heal myself, I heal all the wrongdoings I've done to another person. I'm not saying that at all, but I am saying it is pulling people out

of the cave. And that is pulling myself in turn out of the cave as I do that work and heal that. And that to me is like connecting so many dots from the books that I've read over the past few years. And really it's like, I'm on fire from it. Yeah. Thank you for bringing up forgiveness. Cause I mean, besides meditation, I think forgiveness is like the mother skill of emotional practices. You know, I've not done it, but all my friends have done 40 years of Zen, you know, Dave's thing where you go and you do the neurofeedback. Apparently the main thing they're practicing in there for the five days, 10 hours a day that they're in there, it's forgiveness. And I've seen my friends transform from that. And you're on a lie detector test being like,

do I really forgive myself? Did I really forgive that person? And I actually have a pretty powerful forgiveness audio I can send it to if you want to link in the show notes. I don't know what the link is right now, but it's really good. You can go and you can see someone else at three, someone that you want to forgive.

And you see them at three years old. You see them at 93 years old. And then you see them in the now and you forgive them at each of those stages. Cause it's way easier to forgive a three-year-old, right? Like you can forgive bear much easier than you can probably forgive your partner or your coworker, because you see that they're making mistakes and they're doing the best that

they can and they're learning and changing so quickly. But why do we stop affording that grace to people that are the same age as us? And someone at 93, like, well, they're going to die soon. You know, what does it really matter? Let me just forgive them. So you like, you take the whole spectrum and then you forgive them. And then the hardest one is obviously to forgive yourself. But I'll send you that, that audio. I'm happy to share it. And I found that, you know, if you want a little bit of the

neuroscience on this, of why this practice helps with the forgiveness piece. And especially with the divisiveness and the separateness. So when you start meditating, you activate a part of the brain called the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, which is the piece of the brain that processes information about people who we perceive as separate. You're black, I'm white, you're Republican, I'm Democrat, you're gay, I'm straight, separate. You also activate a part of the brain called the insula, which is the empathy center of the brain. So that's important that those things are activated. But what's more exciting is that the dorsal medial prefrontal cortex and the insula start to become connected to each other.

So this means that you start to have more empathy towards people who you perceived as separate from you. So I might not agree with you, but I can see that I am you, you are me, right? And so it's easier for me to forgive you. It's easy for me to see myself inside of you and you inside of me. And that's not just like a, oh, I have to get myself to think this. It starts to become your visceral experience because you're rewiring your brain to change the filter through which you're perceiving everyone and everything. Also, if we want to get a little more hippy-dippy and esoteric, according to the Vedas, there's only one thing and we're all it. There's only one thing and we are all it. And that one thing is energy, right? And so to me, like if you had to encapsulate the

entirety of the Vedas into one sentence, it would be that the one became two for the joy of becoming one again, right? That we bifurcated, we forgot that we're God for the joy of remembering that we're God, for the joy of falling in love, for the joy of having sex, for the joy of seeing great art, for the joy of tasting great food, for the joy of creating inspired art. It's waking up that divinity is so exciting because we're remembering our true nature, which is that unity of that thing that we were born out of. And forgiveness is touching that, right? Because it's just a fast microcosm of, I thought you were separate from me. I was blaming you. Now I'm forgiving you. It feels so good to me. It's probably feeling good to you. And we're healing both of ourselves and reminding

ourselves that we came out of the same thing. Hell yeah. Yeah, and again, I'll recommend initiation because the visual is really cool on Gaia. And the first nine are just that, they are the monad or unity consciousness, which is the Tao, the feminine void, the pitch blackness of that consciousness that is all of us pre-manifestation, infinite possibility, infinite probability, infinite anything that can be expressed within that field. And the expression of that was to know thyself, know thyself as individuals, but it was the whole thing saying, what can I become in Matthias' word?

And from that thought, duality, and then from there, trinity. And he goes through each one. They're only 25-minute episodes, but the way he was explaining it really resonated because he's speaking a second language and it's broken English. And it's so plain and to the point and beautifully stated that it's like, oh yeah, all of this resonates. And the highest points from a 5MEO DMT trip or any of that is when I remember that. It's when it's like, oh yeah. And I don't just remember saying yes to experience and to know myself in different ways. I'm saying yes to everything, the whole backlog as a way to know thyself, as a way to experience life in different ways.

And that is a complete reframe on trauma. It's a complete reframe on any of it because there is an inherent yes in life design from us. Every one of my experiences, this is hippy dippy, but every one of my experiences that came around my kids was the full understanding that we choose our parents. It's not a fucking accident. As much as we don't want to believe that, we pick them the time and the place that we come in. And that was made pretty viscerally with Wolf's arrival, our little girl who took four years from when we started trying to show up. And she's born on the full moon on 4th of July, you know, like here we are. So those experiences, but again, the visual of that, if any of this is

counterintuitive to what you were taught growing up, which most certainly was for me, I think that initiation is beautiful. Obviously second season gets into aliens and all sorts of shit that's way out there and maybe too much for you. That's fine. You can leave it at the door with season one, but it's a beautiful expression of all of the knowledges. And Paul Selig stated that there are gems in every religion of solid truth with a capital T. Our job is to find those gems when we're looking, right? Because they're buried in the mountain of what society has done to bastardize the truth. And you look at that on purpose or not on purpose, it doesn't really matter.

It just means that as we expand our consciousness, we can begin to see those gems in other cultures and other ways of viewing God and other ways of understanding what nature is. Well, we are an hour and a half or so in, is there any thing you want to leave people with around Ziva? You've talked about the kids program that's coming out in February. This is going to release like right after Thanksgiving. Are you running any deals for Cyber Monday? We are actually.

Yeah. So what you did was the live course, but I'm not really teaching live right now. And so I'd say our most popular training is Ziva Online. And it's cool because you can do it from the safety and comfort of your own home. It's only 15 minutes a day for 15 days. And you do learn this technique. It's mindfulness, it's meditation, it's manifesting,

it builds on each other. You get monthly coaching calls with me. There's a beautiful community of people online. We're in 111 countries. And yeah, we're doing like a Black Friday, Cyber Monday thing, which is zivameditation.com online. And I mean, if this is sounding exciting, it's just like, there's literally no reason to not do this. Hell yeah. I mean, it will be like, it will change everything. As you change your brain, you change every cell in your body and every decision you make for the rest of your life. Like we've got to stop thinking of meditation as like a bubble bath for our brain and start to see it as the most important piece of mental hygiene that we must be practicing. The thing we came back to again and again in the course was like, I'm not going to stop showering because I don't have time because I don't want to smell. It's

rude. It's gross for me. It's rude for the people around me. Same thing with meditation. You might be busy, sure, but you want to do this so that you feel better and to be kind to the people around you. You owe it to your family, to your coworkers, to your community to show up as the most inspired, beautiful person that you can be. And it's like, I think it's the least selfish thing you could do. I love it. And I love you.

Thank you so much, Emily. I love you. Thank you for shining so bright. Any social media or anything like that that you want to shout out? Yeah, I'm all over social. It's just at Ziva Meditation on Instagram. We do global live streams every Tuesday at six

on Instagram and Facebook. We have a thing called the Ziva community on Facebook. And those are pretty great. If I do say so myself, it's just like a 30 minutes of teaching, lecturing and whatever's up. And then a 30 minute, like global meditation.

Most of them I just have four or 10,000 people. Like, I just think it's cool to have that many people meditating together around the planet earth. Hell yeah. Beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you.