Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #19 MMA Legends Bas Rutten and Duane "Bang" Ludwig

Episode Date: February 5, 2018

We sit down with two legend of MMA to discuss coaching, acting, and healing damaged brains. Bas on Instagram Twitter Facebook Duane on Instagram Twitter Facebook Watch Bas on Kevin Can Wait Monday Nights at 8 on CBS Check out Bang Muay Thai Connect with Kyle on Twitter and on Instagram Get 10% off at Onnit by going to Onnit.com/Podcast          Onnit Twitter        Onnit Instagram

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Thanks for listening, guys. All right, On It podcast. Dwayne Bang Ludwig. Yes, sir. My man. You guys are in town. We had you guys do a seminar yesterday, which I am deeply bummed that I couldn't make it to.

Yeah, where were you at, sucker? My son has a really bad fever for about four days. Oh, sorry. Who cares, man? That's right. So I didn't want to have the opportunity for my wife to be stuck in an ER solo. Oh, really? Thankfully, he didn't need to go, but I had to be on call for that.

That's scary. You had to put him in cold water, did they ask you? No, his fever came back down naturally. Thankfully, we didn't have to give him acetaminophen or anything, but all that stuff's on deck just in case. Yep. That's kind of the deal. You just got to be prepped for anything.

It's scary. Yep. It's really scary. Being a parent will definitely keep you on on your toes that's for sure hell yeah and a fight and fighting and being a parent like there's a lot to think on your toes yes sir and the wives yes sir and the wives wives keep you on your toes better than anybody so what's up man you guys you guys uh you're in town you teach a seminar and uh you get a chance to see these awesome fights last night.

Drop some knowledge on them. Oh, you know, we kind of said it before. We thought Stipe was going to win. Because I didn't think that Nganou was really tested yet. I think the biggest test he had was Overeem. But Overeem, you could tell that he was intimidated because he started wailing like a maniac. Something he never did before,

because I thought that if Overeem would fight like Overeem, he would beat him. But I think there was an intimidation factor there, and Stipe doesn't have that. And now we saw him getting tired after the first round, and Gano, and then for everybody, every person, you have had the experience. I probably, we all had that experience,

like you really run out of gas, and then you have to go experience i probably we all had that experience like you really run out of gas yeah you know and then you have to go into the i don't think that's right i don't think you got tired very often boss i know i can't remember maybe i kind of one hand see no but but that one time yeah made me who i am because i never wanted to what they say fatigue makes coward out of man it's a hundred percent you become a little sissy once you, and when they turn it up at that moment, if they see you're getting tired and they turn it up, it's all downhill from there.

So thankfully I overcame it one time and knocked him out of the knee to the liver, which was not even a heart knee, but I was just looking at his breathing pattern and at the moment he was breathing in, I dropped the knee in and it worked, but man, I never wanted to be in that situation again. That was horrible.

But to be extremely tired and then to still have that type of mental composure to find the timing to hit that actual knee during the breathing pattern with this fighter, that's an exceptional level of martial art mastery. Very high-level mastery. Yes, sir. Right? Being dead tired, one of the most tired. Well, you have to.

Yeah, but see, most people cowered away from that. All composure, no panic. Yeah, all comp, most people cowered away from that. All composure. No panic. Yeah. Fatigue makes cowards of us all. Yeah. Except Boss. Fatigue makes ninjas of us.

Asterisk. Yeah. Boss Root. So, different response. I had it in Thai boxing too and it was no fun. I have to be honest. I lost that one.

So, it does happen. Second place isn't bad if you learn from the lesson. Yeah, I thought Stipe would win the fight just because, I mean, if you look, they ran some. I like the stats. Stats don't always mean shit. No. When they're talking about for Ngannou to be the favorite.

I was like, oh, was he the favorite? Zero sense at all. And I know that's driven by people who they're putting money on. But come on. Seriously. And he's got one of the highest knockout percentages in the ufc and heavyweight 64 well fucking miochic is in the 70s oh wow he's on a whole different level build people up yeah you look at the guys that he's gone against i mean

he's just been tested over and over again he never shows fear he's got laser-like precision i loved it but uh whodemir, the same thing. You know, yeah, he's an animal, and if he hits you, but, I mean, DC's been through so much stuff. This guy, I mean, against Jon Jones, I mean, the fights that he had, every single person. It's going to be very hard. I don't think Uzdemir can beat him.

That's what I said, you know? And you can tell he can't. You know, he needs to tune up. Yeah, I dc saying something uh uzdemir had made a post on instagram and dc fired back with look you're not john jones and i'm not jimmy manawa nice like yeah and jimmy manawa was a guy who beat the fuck out of me but still like that's the level we're talking about right dc is he's easily one of the greatest of all time and it just sucks that he's been in john

jones shadow yeah for so long but i mean i think you put an you can clearly now put an asterisk next to john jones with multiple pops yeah it doesn't matter the polygraph or not i mean he's tested positive what was the last situation though he uh do you know that the last situation was uh torinobol what is? It's a steroid. Okay. Oh, so he, it's a legit steroid. It's not like, cause now he took a polygraph and that was another funny comment that, uh, DC fired back with cause Jones passed the polygraph and he said, Ted Bundy passed the

polygraph. Oh, nice. Ted Bundy fucking was a serial killer and passed the polygraph. You know, it was a Seinfeld episode on passing the fucking polygraph. That's funny it's not a lie if you believe it's true oh yes there we go exactly nice good call that's what they say but they're still doing it under pressure you know yeah uh i don't know it's a shame when is she gonna come back do we know anything about that it's gonna be three four years it has to be four years right, well, for him, all bets are off. Just like the first time he tested positive,

he had two drugs that are used in post-cycle therapy. Clomiphene citrate, which is a fertility drug, lowers estrogen, boosts natural testosterone, and then another anti-estrogen. And so those are things you only take if you're coming off of testosterone. Okay, so that's what you mean. Can you start that over for me?

Both of those. Yeah, so just for the listeners, we've put a stack, like UFC level, about 100 fucking posters for these guys to sign, which they're doing in the background. So if you hear some scribbling. Oh, is it too loud? No, no, no, not at all. Keep going, keep going.

But they're pressed for time, so I just want to make sure. We will have to repeat a couple things since these guys yeah i got two deals at once plus my add kicks in i'll start talking about the colors on the wall and the sidetrack pretty quick yeah is that why are you laughing or is that mushrooms it could be that also going on no it's definitely the add add 100 fights and uh yeah uh-huh i know that works just being you and just being me but uh but yeah so it so he tested positive for two things that are typically taken when you come off of testosterone to rebuild your own natural testosterone. Okay, okay. And then, of course, they found a way.

Now, maybe this is true. Maybe it isn't. I don't think this is the case. But they said, oh, hey, it was in a dick pill. Right? So what happens when they give them the benefit of the doubt like that? They can reduce the sentence from the standard two years, my buddy tom lawler got to one year that's why his original sentence for that was was cut in half that makes now you would say the same thing

for the second round if he's found guilty yeah he should get the maximum penalty but they just said we can now say that john jones didn't knowingly take anything because he passed this polygraph oh that's what they're saying that's just fucking funny business right because everyone else if you're not the fucking goat you get thrown to the wolves yeah like tom lawler didn't take osterine i've been telling that guy to take creatine and beta alanine since we met on the ultimate fighter and he's like nah i don't need that shit he just uses cannabis and and that's like, nah, I don't need that shit. He just uses cannabis and that's it. He doesn't even use fucking protein powder. So for this guy to have a shitty SARM, it's like a selective androgen receptor modulator, it doesn't even work.

It doesn't even work. So he tests positive for something that doesn't work and then he gets the full two-year sentence. And it sucks, man, because there's no way this guy took it. And I know this through and through. I know, Tom. If you're going to gonna take something take something that works and those are clearly the things that john jones tested positive for were things that work wow so you have to have

some kind of weary eye when you look at you know his victories especially um and i was i was texting victor conti a guy that i had worked with on altitude training after the whole balco thing obviously he's no stranger to performance-enhancing drugs. And he had mentioned that he was very curious because he was working with Margaret Goodman, who used to be the head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. She now runs VADA, the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency. And she had said, hey, Victor, I need you to take a look at this test result and see what's going on. It was right before he fought Cormier the first time, I believe.

And he had the testosterone of an 81-year-old man. Oh, wow. They're like, how is this fucking possible? He's an elite-level athlete. And he was like, well, this is textbook for somebody who's taken testosterone and jumped off. So he jumped off to clear the test. And he hasn't taken anything

because that would show up on a test to rebuild his natural testosterone. So his levels are literally in the tank. They're the testosterone levels of an 81 year old man wow now that's a red flag if if someone in the tour de france shows up they just call that a red flag you didn't test positive but we're going to clear we're going to make you sit for two weeks yeah same thing with hematocrit you know if you ride in the tour de france and your hematocrit goes above 50 even if they can't see epo or anything else in your system they say well clearly you've been augmenting your blood somehow so we make you take two weeks off oh that kind of shit but they don't do that you know we don't have that in the ufc and obviously we bend the rules a little bit for the guys we like yeah

that's what we're starting to see right ultimately the truth comes out yeah even with with brock lesnar i think that was mark hunt's big gripe was like hey man you didn't make this guy go through anybody if i came out of retirement today i would have to go through a long period of testing before i could fight again before i could get a camp and obviously they fast-forwarded that for brock lesnar and then of course he still tested positive i think for an inhaler oh that's what it was yeah it wasn't anything like an actual we would think rock to take right yeah but uh but yeah he had he had some good arguments there so yeah definitely yeah you think with the new you you saw the program that they would uh find everything right because i know when i'm training tj for his fights that

they're they're at the academy quite a bit testing him. And I'm just like, really? And they wait around. What do they have to do? After the training session, his blood has to settle. So he has to wait for 30 minutes before they can actually draw the blood. Then they have to wait. It's just an hour-long process in total. So it's an hour out of your day when you already have a scheduled day.

But then when they show up, it's a random show up right so um it's kind of can cause some bumps in the schedule that's for sure no doubt you think chris cyborg also pulled out of her dancing classes you know they they come straight in yeah yeah yeah so i'm not a big fan of that right but then taking a lot of inconvenience and still it's a flawed system well i don't know if it's flawed or not i don't actually know enough to give that judgment i shouldn't say that but yeah i think it's i think it's a fair assessment to say it's slightly flawed yeah we can't we can't bend rules for certain fighters and not for others based on right you know what kind of draw they have or if they're you know if you if they're going to make

you money we could bend the rules i don't think we should even test for cocaine because it's a fucking recreational drug it's not a performance enhancement thing but you pop positive for cocaine two weeks before the fight and you're still allowed to fight and then they don't mention that until after the fight. Oh yeah, John tested positive for coke. It's like, look, he's fucking his own self up doing that. But at the same time,

why are we even testing it if it's not going to mean a fine? And it shouldn't be a fine. Someone's getting paid. Someone's getting paid on the back end. That's what that means. Well, you know, the defense from the Atlantic Commission, from the testing is, of course, going to be, well, we're there for the safety of the fighter.

And if he takes cocaine, then he's not going to perform well, and he has more chance of getting hurt, and that's why we don't like it. No, it's not a performance enhancer. It's the opposite, and that's why we don't want it. You see, so that's what they do with weed. Like me, being high on weed, there's what they do with weed. That's what, like me, being high on weed, there's no way I could fight.

There's no way. I'm the guy who becomes a plant, who cannot talk, who talks, but forgets everything. So for me, I could never do that. So when people say,

hey, you can't fight stoned. No, I could never fight stoned. I could, but it would be funny for you guys. I think there's a few people like the Diaz brothers. I think they have some social...

I'm not 100%. I don't know the exact story of it all, but apparently they have some social anxiety disorders. So the weed allows them to be more comfortable in a public scenery, right? I believe that. So in that scenario, they could possibly fight better, yeah. So I think it can help some people.

It just depends on, I guess, what strand and how it affects them, what their personal issue is initially. I like to see them, no matter what, higher or not fighting. I love the Diaz brothers. Oh, they're amazing. For sure, I love those guys. But yeah, I think the main story, again, with that, what I was trying to say is I think weed actually can help benefit

their performances rather than others. Yeah, they get more recreational. They get more out of their head. They get better. is I think weed actually can help benefit their performances rather than others. For them, yeah. They get more recreational. They get more out of their head. They get better. I mean, I hear Eddie Bravo, right? Before they have class, everybody has to take a hit. Yeah.

And then they go, and they become very creative. I believe that. I truly believe that. But I still think, for me, it's going to be like, I'm going to be in the corner eating. Okay, I'm going to be watching you guys. When Eddie Bravo rematched Hoyler, though, in the, what was it, the Metamorris, I think, show,

he said he did not get high for that competition, though. But he gets high for all his classes, but not for that competition. It was too much on the line at that time. So I thought that was interesting for him. Someone who's such a proponent for marijuana to not be high for his match, that was an interesting statement to hear from him, I thought.

Yeah, there is. I mean, he talks about that in Mastering the Rubber Guard book and DVD. I think it's in his introduction to smoke weed. It's an important piece. Dives into the legality of it and the history of marijuana. And then he talks about how it can open you up. And I think Joe Roggan said it best in that if you're going to go roll it's a it's a great thing to tune you in to a flow state where you

don't overthink your moves you're just there in the moment and you just flow right yeah but if you gotta learn some shit if you're diving into a whole new position yeah it's hard to remember everything that you're taking in right so it allows you to do it striking with it everything hurts i'm hungry i want to go like you're constantly complaining dry mouth your mouthpiece doesn't fit in your mouth anymore it's so dry that's funny it's a good point though as far as if you already have the information logged in it'll allow that to perpetuate itself come out a bit easier easier right but if you are learning something new then to take in the information while you're high isn't the best the best route so that's a good good knowledge a good way to think about it that's good i like that it's already programmed with a flow if you're trying to program something not the best recipe

yeah that's good to know and you're up in colorado right yes sir yeah yes sir the first day to legalize it all your man just fucking won the title back. Yes. Yeah. TJ's a ninja. He's by far the most committed athlete that I have trained. That's for sure. You know, we've been around. He's definitely much more committed than I ever was.

And I thought I was pretty committed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dwayne's very committed. Yes, sir. TJ's on not another level, a couple levels above me. That's for sure. There's a reason why he's the champion. And it's not just because he's training in Colorado

or he's training with me. It's a combination of all these things together. He can't really pinpoint one thing. That's the reason why he's the champion. It's a combination of quite a few things and a lot of intangibles that are there. Yeah, I think he embodies the work smarter, not work harder.

Yeah, he's definitely very intelligent. I'm going to outwork my opponent. I'm going to do more. I'm going to do this. And it's like, no, you don't, like Aubrey says, don't do more, not work harder. Yeah, he's definitely very intelligent. I'm going to outwork my opponent. I'm going to do more. I'm going to do this. And it's like, no, you don't. Like Aubrey says, don't do more, do it better. I like that. Right?

And I think TJ has fucking really figured out a way to listen to his body and to know how to push himself in all areas, but still to be scalable where he's not showing up to that. I mean, everyone shows up to a fight hurt, but he seems to be able to hold it together better than most. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair to say.

You know, all his fights, he hasn't really had any major injuries, little bumps and bruises here and there, right? But he's definitely, again, going back to him being a very smart athlete, he's definitely very smart, and he searches out, finds the right people for him to be around. He's definitely looking for coaches to teach him, not just other, you know, bodies to beat on. You know, he's actually looking for people who are actually a bit more educated in their

fields so he can actually learn from them. So he's always learning and growing and processing and breaking things down and making notes all the time. He's definitely, he's a great student, for sure. Great student. Going back to doing things better, that's one of our philosophies in the system is quality repetition because when you practice a move, that will be ingrained.

So make sure that that move that's practiced is technically correct. And now with the technique, now you have to find the timing, the distance, and accuracy. So he embodies all those aspects of a martial artist or whatever the subject is. He definitely breaks it down to a linear ball. He can break it down where he can understand it, and then it's just repetition, repetition, repetition

to wire the move, and then the time with the distance and accuracy again. So just repeating myself, but that guy, he's fascinating. He did the repetition. Yeah, because that has to happen. It's such an important thing because people think training harder, or going faster, or going harder, right?

That's not the case. He's doing it smoothly and correctly because smooth is beautiful and now allow that to perpetuate itself. Yeah, Paul Cech was on the show recently. He was talking about how when he was with the Army boxing team, they would have a four-hour boxing practice and a good two hours of that would be fucking jab. Half the fucking four-hour practice would be working on the jab.

Now, that's obviously there's many more layers to mix martial arts and just boxing But you can't just glaze over the basics correct. Yeah, why are the basics? We're talking about it yesterday your yellow belt for instance your first belt in the system like ours We have here is the most important It's probably the hardest also is the test because that test if you failed you you can't You can pass a test if it's not good because that test if you failed you you can't you can't pass the test if it's not good because that's your basics those are your basics and if they're bad well the whole foundation is bad from the rest so you're going to have to know that perfectly and then the rest will be easier i

believe than the first yellow belt all our ninja combinations and drills are just a bunch of the basics tied together right so again you got to understand the basics so you can step forward you can't run before you walk so it's the same scenario right but again we were just talking about that yesterday and making sure that we wire the basics because everything stems from the basics so mastering the basics is very important and again on any subject right you can only get to that 40 40 hit killer instinct combo when each move is fucking thoughtless that's funny he said because when tj bought baral the second time the barrage he stopped him with was a 37 piece combination

hit him 37 times so that's when he said you say 40 but it's almost 40 37 pieces but brow can take a shot right because tj can crack so for him to get hit with 37 pieces that's that's quite a bit and to keep and he never went down he was stopped up against the cage so just random thought yeah he's a savage yeah for sure he's definitely got dynamite he's a rare human being fast dynamite and the thing with that when he fought cody cody is faster for sure right but he didn't have the time well tj was able to find the timing during the exchange so you know speed can be power power can be speed but what's going to make the timing during the exchange. So speed can be power. Power can be speed. But what's going to make one of those two win is the timing of each. So TJ has the ability to create the timing, not necessarily find it,

but he creates the timing. He's a ninja. That's why he's the champion. And that's why he's going to fight Demetrius. Demetrius, where are you at, buddy? Come on, Demetrius. Let's make this happen. You know, whether I'm TJ's trainer or friend or instructor or sensei or not, right?

For me, just as a martial art enthusiast, I want to see that fight happen to see, you know, who truly is the best mixed martial artist. Because as far as human evolution and just history in general, these are the two that are at the highest peak of martial arts evolution. We have to see them fight just to see, just for the pure entertainment standpoint, just for the evolutionary standpoint, I want to see them fight. I think that's a fight every we have to see them fight just to see just for the pure entertainment standpoint just for the evolutionary standpoint i want to see them fight i think that's a fight every fan wants to see and it's also important for both of them because they both for the legacy they're both masters of their division you know tj's won the belt multiple times demetrius is one of the most decorated fighters in the history of the sport and there's you could argue that there's still a couple more fights in the division for each of them but the point is like only for tj now i don't think for dimitri there's well except

for benavides but he's been out and there's no there's no harm in fighting one another you know even if tj was to lose to a guy in a lower weight class it's dimitri's fucking johnson right and if dj loses he's going up in weight so there's well no tj's gonna go down to 25 no shit yeah wow i thought they're gonna do a catch no we're fighting for oh you know better than i did yeah we're challenging for dimitris's belt wow so the title is on the line all right i retract that statement yeah sorry there's a lot to lose he's not a he can make it yeah he's not a big 35er he what he has to eat and lift to be at 50 to cut to 35. If he wasn't lifting and eating access,

you know, excess calories, he'd be probably mid forties. Oh, so he can make 25. Yeah. He's not a big 35 or, Ooh, that makes it so much more.

Right. Yeah. That's why we're going to make this happen. Yeah. That's the move. That's the move. Yeah. Connor's out.

So yeah. Who's that next superstar that can hold two belts at the same time? It's TJ. TJ can, he can beat Demetrius. That's for move. That's the move. Conor's out. So who's that next superstar that can hold two belts at the same time? It's TJ. TJ, he can beat Demetrius. That's for sure. 100%. I want to see that. Me as well.

We all want to see that. Yeah. I do. I am definitely excited for that fight. Hopefully it comes through. Boss, what are you working on now? A TV show. Kevin can wait on CBS tomorrow.

Monday night at 8 o'clock on CBS. This week I'm in again. So, yeah, check it out. It's my dream job. It's literally a job that 20 years ago when I arrived here, people asked me why I'm in America. And I was talking about movies,

doing something in the movies, whether it's acting or being a stunt guy or fight choreographer, you know, doing something. Because I used to do comedy martial arts in Holland for TV. And then they said, well, what's your dream job? I said, TV.

I would like to do TV. He said, TV? I go, yeah, it's a bigger medium. You reach more people. I think it would be great. What kind of show? You want a badass show? I said, no.

I would like to be on America's sitcom. I just want to do comedy. Are you serious? I go, yeah, I'm serious. I would love to. And now, last year, I went on the show. Did four episodes. They loved it.

And this year, I've been shooting with them. And what's the name of the show again? Kevin Ken Waits. With Kevin James. I was going to say, yeah, it's got to be with Kevin James, right? That's a buddy of yours. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's an old, I'm an old, I'm a neighbor of his, Rutger. It's my name, Rutger van der Kamp. Really weird guy, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, you know. But it's really funny because all the translation things we have from Holland into English and the other way around, so that messes a lot of up. Plus, I'm not the smartest guy. It's really funny as well. I love it, man.

It's really my... It's the best job there is. It really is. The times, working, going to the people there, there's not one negative person. It's very hard to find a place where you work with not one negative person. It's very hard to find a place where you work with not one negative person. Everybody's happy.

I go happy to work every day. That's cool. It seems like you've got the right people around you too because I've done some things, not on TV, but working with Hollywood actors. It's not the most enjoyable experience in my experience, but being around comedians is a whole different

animal. Kevin James being a comedian, I'm sure he's surrounded himself with really like-minded, fun people to make the experience enjoyable. It's a constant. Kevin is the guy who's, you have a lot of different comedians, right? You have the comedians who are up and down and up and down. So all of a sudden, they're mentally unstable. You have that a lot. He is always on. He is what you see is what you get. So when you see him on stage doing his comedy, he's like that in real life.

He'll see everything. He'll see a joke in everything. He sees that, oh, boom, and they have another joke, and this, and that's funny, and that's funny. And they just pop out the whole time. And if you see guys like that, the writers write, and how fast they are, it's a whole different level because Because sometimes you go, oh, I got a nice joke. What about if I say this?

And then everybody just looks at me and they go, yeah, it's not that good. I get that. You know, it's really a job. You realize, yeah, don't try to be like them. Because it's like him trying to suddenly come over and say, hey, yeah, let's fight, boss. You know, that's my thing. But it's really unreal. For instance, there's a,

imagine a joke doesn't work. You say a certain line. I don't like this line. Now, there's a writer in front of me. He says, okay, just say this and this and this. I don't like that either. What about this and this and this and this? It's like he has 10 lines,

10 responses already lined up in his head. It's not like he looks at me and goes, okay, let me think. What about, it's not like that. It come out in a second. I say not like he looks at me and goes, okay, let me think. What about it's not like that. It come out in a second. I said, no, I don't like that. This one. No. What about this one? How can you do that?

It's too fast. Yeah, it's like a pitcher on the mound shakes his head no and then the catcher's already got the next sign for him of whatever is coming next down the pipe. Alright, throw this pitch. Nope, don't like that. Throw this pitch. Good analogy. Hell yeah. It's cool. Nope, don't like that. Throw this pitch. Hell yeah. It's cool.

It's so cool. That's good. And it's just what we do in fighting. That's what they do in that. And everything needs to be fitting because you look at the script. No, I already said that there. We have two words that are the same words. Everything needs to be...

People have no clue. If you look at a sitcom, why do you think the reruns with Friends and all these shows are there? Because pretty much everything you say is funny. People just don't realize it at the moment they're watching because it's so much information. But when you read the script for the first time

when they send it to you, I'm constantly laughing. Oh, man, this is a joke. That's a joke. I mean, it's packed with jokes, but you just don't... Some jokes people don't pick up, but they pick it up in the rerun.

And that's why people like to watch the shows again. Oh, wait, I didn't realize that the first time. Oh, that's what he meant with that. That's why I'm laughing. Before I go to sleep, there's many times when I talk to my wife before I go to sleep, but I'm crying laughing because the things they write,

it is so funny and I can't stop. And it's so hard. There's some scenes, like last Monday I had a scene in where we fake, we get somebody's listening to us on a listening device. And we know this now. So we have scripts made for us, and then we follow this script.

We're going to set that person up, right? So he gives me the script, and it says Rutger. So he says, Rutger. Yes yes I like that very much but I I say Rutger the name for it so he thinks you don't have to say Rutger because you're Rutger you know he said yeah but why did you write that you know and I get all these silly funny situations and there's this one moment when I say uh Rutger that's right Rutger, that's right, Rutger exits. And he goes, so while I go away, you see me go away, and here you see already the smile come. I just realized that it was very hard for me

not to laugh in that scene. But you have to forget the straight face. But when I saw the scene, and I saw myself turning away, I saw in the very end a little smirk on my face, like really for a split second. So I was happy that they sent me out of that scene, so to say. But that's the hardest thing, not to laugh.

They pulled that scene out? No, no, no, the scene is in. I can actually show you in a bit if you want. It's on the phone. A sneak preview? It's hilarious. No, no, it was last Monday. Otherwise, I wouldn't even have talked about it.

Yeah, because otherwise you give it away. I don't want to give it away. You can't give away the jokes, right? Yeah, I know this Monday is going to be fun too, but yeah. Yeah, it was interesting you say that, that there's so many jokes in the scene that you don't catch it until you watch it multiple times. And I find that with songs.

Like, oh, that's what he's saying in the song. An old song from 10 years ago. Like, oh, that's what he was saying. Go ahead, sorry. No, I went to, I was driving this a long time ago. Suddenly I said, I'm going to give you every inch of my love. I never knew what that meant until I sang it like that

on Inside MMA and I go Kenny looks at me and I said you know what I was in the car driving over and I heard that line I never knew what it meant now I know what it means it's so weird but what do we like now I look like a complete psycho

to remember that line that's the line that sticks out and replays over and over again I'm going to give you every inch of my love okay got it hey what are you giggling over there for so are you

obviously you're still traveling you're doing seminars and things like that teaching your programming do you work with fighters still or is that something that can be done sparingly or it's sparingly yeah because of the work now you know i'm like uh three weeks uh in new york shooting and i go one week or maybe sometimes two weeks home then back two weeks one week home three weeks back you know like so constantly back and forth so it's hard i teach in my gym at my gym uh monday tuesdays and and Thursdays at six o'clock if I'm there. Okay.

So when I travel, I, yeah, I simply can't do it. What I do do is that some people sometimes come from a different country and they would like to just, they're on a holiday or vacation and they would like to train, that I do. But if somebody just lives in the neighborhood for private classes, I'm steering away from them because I'm too busy now. Yeah, I forget that. Kevin James is a New York guy. Most people that are shooting anything for TV, it's done in L.A.,

which you're from, right? So you get to travel across the coast to get the work done. Yeah, that was the thing. And thankfully for him, because they wanted to do the show, and they said, we want to do it in California. He said, I can't. I just moved back here to Long Island, and my mother lives here, and he wants to stay.

Oh, shit, I had it reversed. Yep. Okay, so you're going to L.A. from New York then? So from L.A., I go to New York to film there. Okay, okay. That's how I had it the first one. Okay, yep. Now I'm confusing everyone listening.

No, no, you're right, you're right. Kevin James just moved back to the East Coast. East Coast. He's at the East Coast. He lives in Long Island. Okay. I thought you had just moved back to the east coast east coast he's at the east coast he lives in long island yeah okay i thought you would just move back to long island that's where i got oh no no no no no no but next year you know if that everything gets i just scrambled everyone's brain right now but yeah you're in l.a still that's where your gym is you travel out to new york to do to do the show that's it that That's what I'm doing. Very cool. Yep. West Lake Village. I live 35 miles up north from Los Angeles. Beautiful area.

It's beautiful, yeah. It's nice to be that far out of town because it's a clusterfuck every time I'm in LA. It is. I try to stay wherever I'm at, whether it's Venice or San... I don't try to leave that town. I try to stay in that one little pocket

as much as I can until I go to the airport. I do too. It is absolutely mind-boggling how much worse traffic has become there in the last five years. Here, the freeways here, right? We were looking at... The freeways here in Austin or just Texas in general are a little bit confusing. Well, they just have three fucking lanes.

That's the issue with traffic is that there's not many lanes. Yeah, but they have stacked upon each other. Like in Japan, when you go to Tokyo, you get the freeways on the top and you get on the bottom freeways. I like that. That's a smart thing to do. Maybe that should start happening in LA as well. With the 101, 405, it's a nightmare.

Well, they can't keep making them wider, so they probably will have to start going up. Yeah, two lanes up, stacking. So what do you got going on how have you been i've been great man uh let's see got the little guy he's two and a half years old which is an absolute handful uh what's his name bear bear bear and our dog's name is ill wapple. Oh, nice. What kind of dog? He's half Chihuahua, half Shih Tzu. We got him from a Mexican family. So even though we were paying homage to you, it's much more because of a Spanish name that describes him.

He is fucking very handsome. Oh, he's very handsome. That's funny. Yeah, we just moved out here in September, started working with Onnit. I get to do all sorts of cool shit. So I'm like the human guinea pig here. Get to test out and try out all sorts of new stuff for biohacks uh different protocols fasting just

you name it but i'm glued to all that stuff anything that can help repair the brain which is an issue for guys like us we had dr dan angle on who wrote the concussion repair manual fantastic can i pause you what are some of the things to repair the brain then i'm interested well what i thought was cool was there's a lot of things that i had done in that book that i didn't know had anything to do with the brain so like floating for example i was using it for meditation and uh altered states of consciousness with uh some micro doses of other substances and uh it's fantastic for that but at the same time it's also incredibly healing for the brain and it works on kind of resetting that glutamate excitatory pathway

into the GABA, rest and digest, parasympathetic pathway. So the more calm we are, one of the reasons you want to do meditation is so you can have that waking peace in your consciousness and the little things don't get to you. I find that very evident with floating. And because there's no outside stimulus coming in, not only does that free up space for the brain to go within, but it frees up space for the brain to fucking relax,

for the brain to heal. And there's quite a few techniques in there. Transcranial direct stimulation. DARPA uses this with the military. It's where they train snipers for the first time. They took a reporter, a female, who had never fired a sniper rifle, and she was three kills out of 20

in just pure panic, like thought she was in a war zone through the simulation. They hooked her up to the transcranial stem, and she went 20 for 20, and she's like, why did you guys stop it? Wow. And they're like, what do you mean, why did we stop it? What is it?

Can you take us through what the procedure it? Wow. And they're like, what do you mean? Why did we stop it? That was what is it? What can you take us through? What the procedure? You basically hook up these, um, radio lab did a piece on it three years ago called nine volt Nirvana. And there's a lot of gamers in the video gaming community that are making this shit on their own with no, there's no gauge on it. So it can fuck people up.

But if you buy a good device, they're only 150 bucks. And you basically plug these electrodes onto your skull. You wrap something around it. You turn on these nine volt batteries. And the good ones will cap it at 2.1 milliamps. We basically are sending direct current electricity through your brain. And so they say, as they study the brain, neurons that fire together wire together.

So if you can set them at different points on your brain, you'll be sending electricity through there. That ramps everything up. That ramps up neuronal activity. It can create new pathways and new connectivity. So if you've taken some damage to the frontal brain, from some head kicks and shit like that, or if you just want to improve things,

you can put these in different parts. You can use it for learning a second language music uh coordination like balance and things like that or yeah well yeah we'll sell them here or quite you know we want to i've been talking with aubrey we want to include some technological pieces that we white label and sell through on it.com not quite yet but the one i use is um apex device apex and it's 150 bucks you get on amazon worth every penny they have a whole mode for depression and anxiety and they have all the different ways you can learn and they just show these montages online so you like this is where i'm going to put it on my head the the and you really feel you feel the difference there's no doubt how often are you using it i was using this i did it every day twice a day for 28 days straight one lunar cycle and then now i'll do it three to five

days a week one lunar cycle how long is that 28 days okay okay so you're saying sorry now when you put it on how long do you wear it you can do 20 to 40 minutes you can even go longer but if you're doing a couple times a day just what do you need to do at that moment you know whatever you're doing so if i used it for depression anxiety i would meditate with it because that's that's the goal is deep inner peace right if i wanted to learn us if i was using like for language learning and memory recall i would put on duolingo which is a free app for language learning and i'd learn spanish and that's where i was like fuck this is no joke i hadn't done spanish in a year and now i wasn't getting

a single answer wrong like instantaneously fucking 100 right now you can wear it and be you're not gonna wear it while you're sparring or something like that well because you gotta hold this thing on you so if i'm doing like i've done it with balance on an indo board okay which looks kind of like a surfboard you know and you can do balance training like that so i can hold that thing in my hand i'm not going to fly off it because i have enough experience with it if i need to i just put one piece down kind of like you would you would stop on a skateboard that's right so then then i know i'm not going to eat shit on that because i've built up to a level of of you know i'm not going to get hurt on top of that

thing but if i can hold that in my hand while i balance on it again same same kind of same kind of results like just absolute mastery of the skill i'm gonna have to look into that a bit more sorry i'm giving you 50 questions on that that's interesting no it's cool and those are just those are just two pieces i mean he had so many in that book where i was like fuck and when i interviewed him i was talking about how like this isn't just something like you don't have to is his it's titled appropriately the concussion repair manual but you don't have to have had a concussion so yeah that's the need to read that like you could have a normal waking brain and still improve cognitive function which everyone and their fucking mom wants to have a

better brain right we want to have better working memory we don't want to have brain fog we don't want to hit the wall at 2 or 3 p.m and these are techniques they can give us that you know these are ways we can hack consciousness legally that boosts legally hyperbaric oxygen was a big one too for healing the brain okay tim ferris has talked quite a bit about that i'm about to get into this could you take if you don't mind could you text me that yeah yeah that would be great yeah that's for sure i'll see if we have a couple copies laying around too we might be able to it would be great give me the name which one you use, whatever. I'll get one.

Ever since I fought, so I fought Ramon Deckers. I didn't fight Ramon Deckers. I attended one of his seminars in Japan is what I should say. But we had a scheduled bout, but it turned out to be a seminar, right? He just beat me up in the ring. But after the fight, I go back and I sit down and my trainer tells me something. And I was like, huh? And he says, yeah, you just fought Ramon Deckers.

I was like, I did? I had no clue. I just thought that I was in Japan. I fought Ramon Deckers just 10 minutes ago. I was like, really? How did I do? You lost. I was like, all right.

This is making more sense now. 10 seconds go by. I fought Ramon Deckers. Yeah. Right. I did not remember it at all. I kept asking because I had a concussion. Right. So I had no idea. And I asking him. He had a concussion. Right.

So I had no idea. And I looked at my wife and then she's looking scared. And then once I seen her, like she was scared for me, then it just made everything click back together. Right. But for those, however long it was that I was out of it, I'm pretty sure some wires did not reconnect,

you know? So I'm fascinated. And then of course, I haven't so many fights and sparring matches. I'd like to make sure my brain is wired back to square one yeah that's exactly why which is why i hooked up with on it in the first place for the alpha brain right and the healthy fats and the oils so all that to make sure i'm just as healthy as i can be to be here for my family and my students and make sure i'm teaching and prolonging the system and raising a good healthy happy family so

health is health is first health is so important yeah nobody just asked me and I did this interview for Fox in Holland about the career because there was never a really big Dutch piece out there and they were talking about

you know the first UFC's you know with the teeth flying out and they go they asked me do you want to be I said no

if the referee can step in why would I want to do this I have a family that I love you know I mean there's always the guys we saw with Pat Smith like knock somebody out and then he gives him like six more elbows oh, if the referee can step in, why would I want to do this? I have a family that I love. I mean, there's always the guys. We saw with Pat Smith, like knock somebody out and then he gives him like six more elbows.

You remember the blood came up when he drew back his elbow. It was crazy. It was too violent. I said, if the referee can step in, yeah, then I would love to do it. And there was this moment when my nose, I broke my nose in the fight with Randleman, was that? And I never believed the nose bone into the brain story, right? It's a myth.

It's just made up for movies. But the day before, or on the day, was one of the two. It was like somebody was playing with me. Somebody told me, but if your nose is broke already, then it can happen. I go, really?

Yeah. So now I'm in the fight and my nose is broke. So John McCarthy asked me, hey, do your nose broke? You want to continue? So I look at John, I go, really? Yeah. So now I'm in a fight and my nose is broke. So John McCarthy asked me, hey, do your nose broke? You want to continue? So I look at John. I said, do you believe that nose bone to the brain thing? And he goes, no. I said, OK, I'll fight.

But I had to ask him. And then the interviewer in Holland said, what if he would have said that it could happen? I said, I would have stopped the fight. Wow. And say, you would have stopped the fight. I say, yeah, if there's a chance that I die, I'm not like the other guys. I want to die in the ring or the cage.

I say, I have a family at home that I love very much. I like to live. I like to be 100 years old. If there's a moment that I could lose my life, I'm not going to take the risk. And he goes, wow. I say, yeah, but that's what people can't think. It's a lot of brass for people to say it.

It's a very easy thing to say it, that you would rather die in the cage. i don't really think about this you know if you have a family i don't think you should die there yeah i fought in nottingham and half my face was was caved in from an orbital blowout my left eyebrow fracture and so in between the second and third round i'd lost the first brutally you know flash ko'd face fractured win the second round and i'm all about the third round and they look at me in between rounds and they're like hey do you want to continue i'm like yeah let's fucking go i'm fucking winning let's go and uh they're like okay open your eye and i

couldn't open my eye it already swollen shut so you know my sister laughed at me because i was like is it open and i'm trying as hard as i can to open my left eye and uh they end up stopping the fight yep and so right then i was so fucking devastated that they stopped the fight and then later on i'm like i could have lost a fucking eyeball right that guy hit me again in that soft ass art the orbital's not supporting anything anymore i don't want to lose my fucking eye for a fight yeah it's not worth it it makes no sense sense. Why would you? Yeah. So just stop. But you know,

that's a little bit of an ego is in there that also still wants to do it. No doubt. But if you really put it in perspective and say, okay, this can happen,

this can happen, stop. And especially depth. You know, if you're one eye, your depth is completely gone. I mean, he's going to hit you

even more now. You know, we're looking with one eye and if you never trained for that, not a good thing yeah yeah you're not you're not fighting anymore you're not sparring anymore you're not doing shit with one there's a long way you can't fly an airplane you can't do a lot of things right yeah yeah right so uh who yeah when i fought genki suto my first ufc fight he had an injury to the orbital as well so he had to stay i remember he had to stay in miami they wouldn't fly him out because he had to stay for

whatever the reason is the pressure and the yeah koshchek had to do the same thankfully i was able to fly home from nottingham england but koshchek had a had to be i think i was on that same card with you all they drove on that same car right after the gsp fight you were on that that was a fucking great fight well my knee i might know my fight my knee blew out i got my knee blown on an outside trip knee blew out. I got my knee blown out on an outside trip. Knee blew out. So it was my last fight, actually. It was on the same card with you. That's interesting. But yeah, then I was like, ah, screw it.

I'm just going to teach now. It's much easier. I can eat what I want. I don't get punched in the face no more. This is nice. Yeah, but for you, this is what you're supposed to do, I think. I think so as well. Yeah, fighting is tough.

But this is, you really love it. He's 100% invested. Not 99, 100. Yes, sir. Thank you. You know, and I dead, but you really love it. He's 100% invested. Not 99, 100. Yes, sir. And shows. You see what he does with people. I've had good instructors. Yeah, you have, brother.

That's for sure. The right lineage. A wop-o. Yeah, I'm proud and honored, definitely, to carry on the torch. That's for sure. I take it with pride. Yeah, but I love what you're doing with it. He takes all the basics, everything we do,

and then he suddenly starts flipping chances. For instance but I love it what you're doing with it. You know, he takes all the basics, everything we do, and then he starts, suddenly starts flipping chances, stances. Like, for instance, I was talking about it. I've been always just one stance, and I fight like that. And, you know,

then I see Dwayne starts the whole system, and suddenly he starts switching stances. Now, I've been teaching him, but now it's going like, it's really working. Okay, now my students

start doing it too. You see, so I bring that back. So now it's like this give and take thing. And that's the best. It's just the best. And seeing somebody who really thinks about it. I thought I was always completely invested, but this guy takes it to a whole new level.

So that's really good. I'm proud, I'm proud, Sensei. I love it. Yeah, it is. Hell yeah. Well, I know you guys got a jam to the airport. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Two absolute masters of craft. Just obsessed to the airport. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Two absolute masters of craft. Just thank you very much for joining us. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Onnit. Appreciate it. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.

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