Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #193 Chervin Jafarieh

Episode Date: March 26, 2021

What beautiful, powerful presence I was fortunate to receive from my brother Chervin in the weekend I spent at his home in Cali. This conversation was the perfect cap to that as well as a beautiful intro into the topic of Luciferian and Ahriman influences in the world today. We will run this back, but please enjoy and reach out to both of us with your thoughts and feelings.    As always, please support his endeavors by heading to Cymbiotika’s site(link below) and find out for yourself the power of his incredible medicines. Also use the codeword KYLE15 at checkout to save 15% on all orders including subscriptions. Accumulate an additional 5% off for each additional product ordered up to five! Connect with Chervin:   Website: cymbiotika.com   Instagram: @chervin333 - @cymbiotika  Facebook: Chervin Jafareih - Cymbiotika  Twitter: @realcymbiotika  YouTube: Wake The Fake Up - Cymbiotika  Show Notes:   The Influences of Lucifer and Ahriman - Rudolph Steiner  The Incarnation of Ahriman - Rudolph Steiner  Sponsors:   Lucy - Get 20% off Lucy Nicotine Gum and their new lozenge flavors! Cherry Ice the OG is now joined by Citrus and Mint! Get over to lucy.co and use the Promo Code KKP at Checkout Four Sigmatic Not only are these my favorite fungus based superfoods because they work, but guess what?! They taste great too! ONLY for my listeners, get up to 40% the goods by going to Foursigmatic.com/KKP Birch is the comfiest mattress I’ve owned, not to mention it’s all organic, non-toxic sourced materials. With this offer you get $200 off of any mattress, two free pillows, their standard 100 night risk free trial and 25 year guarantee. You can’t go wrong folks. Go to birchliving.com/kyle and use codeword KYLE Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp for some Green Juice, it’s my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! Connect with Kyle:   Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Welcome back to the show, everybody. We've got the long-awaited return of my brother, Shervin Jafferia. And this episode, we got to do face-to-face. I learned a lot in the five days that I get to spend with him and his incredible partner, Jamie. Out in Laguna, we attended Paul Cech's Mandala Painting Workshop for a couple of days

out in his beautiful new spot near Temecula. It was just incredible, absolutely, on all fronts. And one of the things that blew me away was in our first interview, and certainly in just the time that I spent with him over those five days, was the fact that Chervin understands Rudolf Steiner's work perhaps better than anyone

I've ever met, only to the exception of Paul Cech. And I would say they're probably equals in many respects when it comes to this. We took a deep dive into a couple of different books. One, The Influences of Lucifer and Eramon, or Achramon, as he puts it with this Eurostrian background. And so, or the Persian swag, there we go. And we take a deep dive into this. It's a fantastic episode on these two pivotal forces, these two polarities that are at hand.

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Oh, man. Absolutely incredible weekend. It just blew by. And at the same time, it felt like it was forever, right? Because we were so present in every experience and the conversations were so illustrated from our hearts.

And I just, I'm just stoked right now that I knew I had a brother, but I'm just stoked that it's been completely confirmed on all levels. So I'm honoring you, brother. Absolutely, brother. Yeah, that's mirrored in me. I feel that big time, big time.

We've gone down some deep, deep rabbit holes, far too much for the one hour that we have. Yeah, you got to catch your flight. It's a strict one hour since we have. Yeah, you got to catch your flight. Strict one hour since I got this flight and I'm a decent amount of time away from San Diego airport, which was a head scratcher why I flew in there because Paul's not even that close to San Diego. Oh yeah, John Wayne is right here. It's like 20 minutes away. I won't make that mistake next time. But let's dive right in. We've talked, Rudolf Steiner on our first podcast,

a bit about biodynamic farming and the Waldorf education system and a lot of what he was about. I had dipped my toes in the depths of his waters when it comes to spirituality. I have maybe two of his books. I think he wrote 118 or at least 118 different topics. So we could do many of these,

but there are a couple of things that we have rabbit holed on this trip and they've really dovetailed and mirrored a lot of our conversations with Paul Cech. We did a painting mandala workshop and I'm gonna have him on via Zencastcaster or something via the interwebs to unpack that because that was a hell of an experience. But I want to dive into Lucifer and Ahriman. Ahriman.

Ahriman. Yeah, buddy. The Persian, you know, evil God, if you will. And I think it's great because most people, they think of Rudolf Steiner, they think of Waldorf education, they think of biodynamic farming, all of these incredible principles that were designed with so much thought and so much awareness of not only the physical, but also the etheric body and the etheric world. That's the whole approach when it comes to teaching children and allowing children to get their own faculties through their own experience and seeing things outside of just a tyrannical controlled curriculum, which is

modern education today, especially in the Western world. And then in biodynamic farming, it's beyond just good non-hybrid seeds and organic husbandry. It's embracing all of the elements, including the waxing and waning of the moon, herbal elementals, crystal elementals, the sacred cow, and how to create the black gold, if you will, by burying it into a bullhorn and putting it underground for six months in the winter, to the cosmology and knowing what time to be doing all these things, closed-loop system. So it's really, it's its name, dynamic. It's a dynamic approach. Now, all of those things are the most beautiful aspects of, in my perspective, raising children

and growing your own food, which is where we have to lead to. But for myself and through my anthroposophy and my Steiner experience, it's going deep into the inner consciousness and the realm that we call our living embodiment. And that's a very unique way of looking at things. And it's through the lens of the Trinity. And so to get into the Trinity, you and I dove deep last night and we actually did a live on the gram and it was very powerful. I was reading off the book from the influences of Lucifer and Aramon. And so these are the two cosmic forces that are opposing Lucifer being hyper-beautiful, hyper-spiritual, the bearer of light.

Most people, when they hear Lucifer, they think of a slithering demon, red pitchfork and all that kind of stuff. But that's nothing but an illusion that's been casted from Hollyweird and Abrahamic type stuff. Lucifer is the embodiment within us that wants to be at the hierarchy,

that wants to be God's chosen one, that wants to be illuminated into the knowledge that the masses don't know. That's a very luciferic complex is to feel everyone is beneath you because you've been chosen. We were talking about the story of Icarus and Icarus and his father Daedalus were bound to an island. They were exiled and they were able to get these wings put onto their body, these wax wings that were so magnanimous, beautiful wings. And they were flying off the island and they were both coasting. And all of a sudden, Icarus, the sun shined on Icarus

and he was seeing his wings sparkle. So he wanted to get closer to the sun because of its beauty and how it was reflecting off him. And as he got closer, his dad yelled, no, don't get too close. But he was so enamored by his own beauty and his connection to the sun force that his wings melted and he fell to his death, right?

And that's a very good symbolic approach of looking at the Luciferic energy where his dad stayed at medium balanced center point, homeostasis, and was able to make it out there and be able to transmutate that whole experience and live a most incredible life. So we find ourselves in this community. So a lot of people listening to this, they might be in the realm of plant medicines. They might be in the

realm of an awakening. They might be in a realm of learning new things about themselves. It's very important. It's a very critical aspect is that you stay grounded and you stay honest with who you are too, where you can't get too heady and you can't get too lofty in visions and fantasy because they'll pull you out of the body. And not only will it limit your ability to have true growth, but it also can take you into many different forms of diseases that are luciferic by nature, blood disorders, brain disorders, things like that. So that's the luciferic force or impulse that we have in this world. Now that force is here no matter what.

There's nothing changing that. That's part of the construct. And this is before Steiner. Steiner just was able to create a way of turning it into something real and you can see it from your own perspective. Did a very clean job illuminating it, if you will, beyond just the psychology aspect. And we talked a little bit about how Jung said there's two poles and then the central ego is in between those two poles.

And those two poles could be heavenly and earthly. So it's very similar in a Jung perspective. Steiner just illustrated it more with the art and with the imagery and with what's happening in our world. And the thing I just want to chime in, I'm going to fucking really just let you run with this whole thing. Cause there's so much.

No, I love us going back and forth. Is that just like Paul Levy talks about in the spelling with Tico, it's not a character that's outside of us. It's not, you know, we anthropomorphize everything and we make a man out of this. That's the little,

you know, the little trickster guy who's fucking with everybody. Who's this one being don't sell your soul to don't fuck with that kind of thing. And it's little trickster guy who's fucking with everybody, who's this one being, don't sell your soul to, don't fuck with, that kind of thing. And it's like, no, no, no. Fractally, if we are the imprint of the whole made in God's image, all of this exists within us. And the reason he illuminates these forces is because we brush up against them from within our own psyche and from within our own soul. Absolutely.

And so that to me was what really stood out. One of the cornerstones of what really stood out is in how we work and brush up against these things. 100%, well said. So it's not, so we're not like, you can't create this isolation mentality and feel that these things are outside of you. This is a construct from within. It's an embodiment. I have luciferic energy in me. I also have aromantic energy in me.

This isn't something so polarizing that we can't look within ourselves. The key is to find it within you so you can shine light on it and create stability and balance. Something we didn't talk about last night, but children come into this world with a luciferic energy. They're more luciferic than they are aramonic. What does that mean? They come in, and again, let's really define what luciferic means. Very in the head, very in the spiritual, very in the visions, very in the hyper-imagination, right? So if you can think of a child, a child is, you know, their brain is in theta wave, which is the Hertz cycle

that allows you to pick up everything that you're experiencing around you and to actually take those things and go into other forms of imagination, layers and layers and layers. You can see it in children's eyes. They're, you know, they're full of wonder. You can see it in children's eyes. They're full of wonder. It's almost like they're in a constant journey, some kind of medicine journey.

It's amazing. It's so beautiful. It's how we've been constructed. And so if you can look at that, that's an impulse that is running strong. It isn't till later. And unfortunately, with modern day schooling and modern day parenting, that imagination and that energy, that impulse gets shrouded by the Aramonic impulse and almost deconstructs the child's creative center, right? So all of a sudden, I think that's a good way to segue into Aramon. So Aramon is the Persian deity of evil that was the opposing force of Ahura Mazda. Ahura Mazda is the light being in Zoroastrianism, which is the first monotheism faith in the world. And it's interesting that Steiner used Ahriman as the opposing force of Lucifer, which makes total sense because Aheman's whole thing was, he was confusing

everyone's ability to transcend into a higher level of attainment by telling them, you're just an earthly body. You're just flesh and bone. You've evolved from apes, all of those different things, science, science, science, there's nothing more to this. Just live nihilistic and just live with the primal animal instinct energy. That's what Ahriman is, where Lucifer is heady, fire, the blood, the beauty. Ahriman is a disgusted, filthy, sclerotic. We talked about this, the whole calcification situation where calcification is pretty much the root of all disease that have anything to do with vascular issues and anything like that. You can see elderly people, their bodies start to misalign and they start to get locked in.

That's an aromantic energy. Whereas people that you've probably seen that are in their 80s and 90s that are balanced, that are encompassing all of their energies, they're still supple. They can still move, right? But when you're stuck in that framework of a mentality that it's all material, your body naturally will go into that direction. So Ahriman is what we find today as science, injecting things into people's bodies, government, right? To govern, meant the mind, govern the mind. When you have an agency out there that is holding your will down and controlling you and labeling you and creating statistics from everything you do, that's an aramonic energy. And so these two forces are completely opposing. Yet at the same time, when you are not aware of them, you can jump from both extremes very rapidly. And that's

when things get extremely dangerous, very, very tough on the physical constitution and the emotional constitution because you're not finding any balance. And so Steiner saw it in the early, it was 1916, 1917. The lectures that I was reading last night was from Dornish in 1917. He saw it coming. He said, we were in the throes of the aramonic deception because thousands of years leading into that had been strong religious undertones, right? Everyone was in the religion. Everyone was into the belief system. There was not so much individuality. When individuality came about, it became more about me, me, me.

And then from there, it was the separation of the God, the religious God. And then it started becoming about science, right? And it started pretty well. There was starting to create a nice balance. There was mathematics and all these things were starting to create a different opportunity to have human growth. People started taking care of their health more,

all of those things. When it became the enterprise and when the system realized this is how we're gonna move from the religious persecution and when the system realized this is how we're going to move from the religious persecution and the religious control, now we're going to get them under the scientific control. And that's when we have scientism. And you see that word being used all the time on the internet and on social media now, that this wasn't a common word two years ago. Avocado and I, Wolf and I have been using this term scientism for at least 12 years.

And it's now made its way out into the realm of the circle of people that are in our influence and are doing things about it, that want to shake up what we call the modern mafia of medical systems. And so going into that, Ahriman wants to keep us very limited in our ability to transcend, our ability to grow, our ability to see the unique spiritual aspects of nature and how we're interwoven and interconnected. Ahriman is technocracy, it's artificial intelligence, it's computer systems, it's all of these things. And it's interesting because Steiner says Arheman is incarnating in form in the 21st century.

Okay, so there are anthroposophists that believe he's actually taking human form, which could be very possible. Who knows? In my opinion, that's possible, but I really see it as Ahriman has incarnated through technology and through technology has incarnated into the minds and hearts of children and eventually into men. And so we're in that cycle where we

have never hit this level of materialism. I mean, through the 60s and 70s and then 80s, it was just complete annihilation of the spiritual order. And that's when you have all these radical, extreme corporatocracies going and destroying the world, destroying the environment and all that stuff. And so when you have this crazy materialistic mechanistic energy, you're going to have people that are carnated here in the 80s and 90s like us that are so disgusted by materialism that we find ourselves lost into hyper spirituality. And so that takes us into, there's a lot of people that are into alcohol and drug use and all of these things. All of those things for the most part are luciferic. And so because the materialism is so strong and we're so in this structure and we were in elementary school and this, we had to learn all this bullshit, and it was all of this crap TV, and all this, you know, who cares about the politics,

and all of these things. It pushed so many souls that couldn't even comprehend materialism into hyper-visionary fantasy world, and drugs is the main portal for that, all those drugs. Drugs can lie on both sides of that equation, right? Sure. Like, if you're fucking numbing

and slamming alcohol and opiates, that's going to draw you into self. It's not going to be an expansive thing. That's an aromantic extreme. Absolutely. And then the, you know, I could raise my hand on this, you know, like even recently jumping in headfirst into some of the deeper ends of the pool of the spirit world, and perhaps not having the grounding cord or the balance necessary to navigate that smoothly, and then having to pick up the pieces on the back end, which we've been doing all weekend.

So tons of gratitude for that. But yeah, these- Imagine you had this awareness. Of course, yeah. It's a navigation tool. That's all this is. This isn't like some kind of thing where you can learn about the story

and what's unfolding and all that stuff. Of course, you'll have a little bit of that awareness, but it's really how you would approach your decision-making in your own perspective and basically discernment through the process. Because you would see that these are forces within me and they're part of this whole experience. And within the balance of it,

which Steiner calls the Christ impulse, today maybe people call it the Christ consciousness, is that it's the ultimate balance between those two opposing forces. And if you had those faculties and you had been trained in that and made aware of that at an early age, let's say at four or five or six and seven, and it became part of your anthroposophy or it became part of your entire reality, how would your life have evolved from that? You know, what would have been able to bring you? You know, and what would you possibly might've avoided?

Now I know pain and all those things are medicines, but if we can avoid a good number of them to a certain degree because we're on the path, I believe that's the path we want to be on. And like Chuck said, the pain teacher starts with a whisper. And if you keep not listening, it's going to knock at the door.

And if you keep not listening, it's going to kick down the door. So the ability to tune in and listen when it's whispering is always preferred to getting the door kicked in and winding up with a huge injury or 17 days being spun out. Yeah, exactly. That was a powerful experience you went there. And I can relate because I've been there with that medicine. I think we're talking about 5-MeO. I was, and you were as well, I was smoking a lot of cannabis, strong cannabis in my late teens, early 20s. There was a period of time where in college I was smoking

bowls every single two, three hours. And it was some form of escapism for me. And so that's a luciferic energy of removing ourselves from the reality at hand, whether it was because of pain or because of the structure of it. It just didn't align with who I was. And I would go into fantasy realms on cannabis. So a lot of people ask me, what's my opinion on cannabis use? It's all about intention. Everything is intention, intention, intention. Everything we're talking about,

about having the perspective of Lucifer and Armand is intention, right? It's how you go about making decisions and seeing the world through a lens that can give you a clear perspective on what's governing everything and how you're embedded in that entire thing. Because we are all coming from the same place, right? We all have the same

desires and the same feelings and the same wants. Some might be a little bit more extreme than others, but it's that inner core of literally having a harmony from within and knowing your own desires, accepting them, and not allowing you to have to jump to another extreme because you're angry at yourself or you want to deny yourself. That's where things can get hectic in life. And that's where self-loathing becomes. And all of those are high luciferic impulses and highly Aramonic impulses. It's interesting when we were, Cech talked about at this workshop that a lot of us were going to

have the ability to glean from other people's explanations of the artwork. As he was breaking down someone else, there was going to be important messages for each of us in there. That's why we were drawn together. And something he had mentioned was there is thesis, antithesis, and then the synthesis. And again, I'm seeing things in threes everywhere right now, just in our conversations and talking about these two forces and the Christ force. But you mentioned harmony. And that has been my intention this year. Last year, it was about dissolving illusion, you know, and I was wearing tiger's eye everywhere. I even have it on my journal, you know, this journal Aaron Alexander, our buddy got me from

India and I fully broke down the illusion, you know, and I tried to share that with as many of my listeners as possible, but now it is about harmony. And I think really, you know, that is coming back to the synthesis of these forces within the synthesis of my compass on where I take my life in every decision. And this is an opportunity here for us to get a cleaner look at what is pushing us. And the fact that you've mentioned we can be at either jumping from one pole to the other or experiencing both at the same time. Yes. Right? That's an important one to understand too. It really is. And I feel that we live in cycles, right? And so what you're experiencing from going directly into it versus now you're coming out on the other side of it and your body, your mind, your heart is

telling you to get into a harmonious state. So then now you can take that experience and actually apply it, right? Because we can go into those worlds. It's what we do with it that matters, right? And so to feel that your desire, I mean, you're probably feeling it from the inside that it's time for harmony so I can get into a flow state. And looking at the coding of this world, there really is a push to be extreme. It's almost become an attractive thing, right? Be this absolute maniac fighter who's just beating up everybody or this crazy off-road motorcycle guy that's going to the extreme, that's attractive. And then in other communities, the attractive is that complete yogi

who's in full silence, who's fasting for 24 days, who's not talking, gave up everything. It's where are these, what's pushing these extremes? And the extreme of the software engineer who has to get straight A's as a kid and has to go to the best college

and has to work 15 hours a day and just use the Google nap pod and just get it done, get it done, get it done, nuts and bolts. It's outrageous. And those individuals might accomplish something cool in the material form or they might inspire a group of people. But what's really happening to their karma?

What's happening to them? And ultimately, they are us, right? And that's the whole thing with Steiner is he really didn't see separation between people. He said, suffering is suffering. If someone's suffering and you experience them suffering, you're suffering. And that's having an empathetic view of self. Having just empathy for someone in pain is not enough.

If you have empathy for self, then you really feel that. That's like that code. Yeah, and the definition of self and the definition of kingdom, you know, when we get into like king, warrior, magician, lover, and things of that nature,

it starts with the self of Shervin. It starts with the self of Kyle. And then that self becomes the family unit and it becomes the nationalism. And then it becomes the globe itself. And then it becomes the cosmos and everything in between in the entire spirit world, all as one being.

Absolutely. And we touched that in the Sonoran Desert Toad and 5MEO DMT. We touched that, the Sonoran Desert Toad and 5MEO DMT. We touch that, the remembering and realization that we are one being. 100%. Individuated in the most beautiful and unique way, which needs

to be celebrated, not homogenized. Yeah. And there's a big push for homogenization right now. And everything. And all things. Yeah, we are... You know, that's the reality of the current construct is to take the essence out of everything and to, you know, make it into a statistic

and turn it into something that can be chopped up and sold off. Weighed, measured. Weighed, measured. Weighed, measured, yeah. Another aramonic impulse. So I think a good meditation for everyone to do and to really start to grasp what this is all about is just start looking at the political scene.

Start looking at the education system, the healthcare system, the financial systems. Look at all the systems, right? Look at everything that's governing from an agency and review them. I mean, obviously, you'll probably have an immediate perspective, but see how things are being run right now.

And are they working? Are these things working? Are we getting better? Are we growing to a higher level of health and wisdom? And are we taking care of each other better? Are people caring for each other more? Is there more forgiveness in the world? Is there more forgiveness? Yeah world? Is there more forgiveness?

Yeah, these are things. Are we coming together closer or are we pushing each other further apart? It's unreal. It really is. Yeah. And some would say that, you know, this is all, you know, part of the cosmic giggle, right?

Or this is the cosmic joke, right? So, you know, some of us feel about everything that's going on. And I can say for myself, that's why I do what I do. And I know that's why you do what we do. We've been talking about that over lunch yesterday was we're really here to make some change and to create a life worth living and worth remembering. And my whole thing is finding balance between my own personal life, my own health,

and being able to help others and be part of this collective upswing. Because we've hit a pretty crazy state that we're in right now. You look at all those things I just mentioned, the systems, they're all falling apart. Everything's falling apart. This is the truth. And I know that it's cliche to say, oh, well, we're just having the unraveling and this is happening and this and that, but we can't ravel back if we don't gain our faculties. And understanding these impulses, this is a very helpful tool to redefine

your life and to redefine your awareness in this life and how you view things. And it can help modify you into becoming more of a productive soul in the collective of wanting to get things done, where you're not just sitting there

and fantasizing about things and in your head, because there's a tendency to be stuck in that luciferic complex. So if you're in this community that we're in, where we're interwoven, we're interconnected, we know what's going on with health, we know what's going on with the soil, we know what's going on with food, we get the systems, we're experimenting with sacred medicine, we're connecting with the indigenous tribes, all those kinds of things, you could definitely

go into a luciferic impulse where you're just fantasizing about what needs to happen, right? And it feels good to be in that fantasy, but year after year after year, really nothing's coming of it. Where are we going with it? So look inside of yourself and find tools to get you a little bit more grounded so your fantasies and visions can start being applied and we can start making some fundamental change and we can start growing together and we can start making some fundamental change and we can start growing together and uniting together. And that's something that you and I were talking about. I was like, okay, I want to really get involved with some of the things that you guys are doing. I want my tribe involved with your tribe. Let's create that movement.

What does that look like? Are we going to go develop a community? Are we going to go start creating curriculums? Are we going to go start creating curriculums? Are we going to go start working on food supplies? Are we going to start really nurturing the children? Are we going to start really working on getting the right seeds to the right farmers and helping them? Are we going to go look for the best water on earth and really protect that so the big corporations aren't taking over those water supplies? All these things that are fundamental to this dimension because the Luciferic complex is coming in strong because Aramon is destroying everything.

So the Luciferic complex is coming where people, they don't care anymore about this world. They don't care about this dimension anymore. And so now it's about just transcending somewhere else. It's like the martyr who gives up their life here to hopefully get the goodwill pass into heaven. Yeah, but they're not even being the martyr. They're just like, F it at this point.

They're just like, they're not, that's the whole thing. Like if you look at the Abrahamic religions, let's look at Christianity and Christianity has so many beautiful aspects to it. But at the core of it, you have a population of people that their vision of paradise doesn't belong this earth. This is actually their hell.

Earth becomes hell in their doctrine. And so they're incarnating somewhere far over there and they're leaving here. So that is a luciferic impulse because you've already taken your consciousness out of the presence of this and you're somewhere else. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

That's dangerous because what is that doing? That's leaving chaos here and that's a chaotic energy. And that's so prevalent right now and what we're dealing with. We have fanaticals everywhere. Anything that's fanatic, this whole Democrat, Republican thing, that is the definition of not being in balance

with Aramon and Lucifer's impulse. This having to choose a side, where did that come from? This two-party system. How does that even make any sense? There's certain things that, hey, I'm pretty lax on that. So that would mean that I have a liberal or open perspective on certain things that there's no way. That's just the worst ever. And so I could be conservative on that. I don't have to be attached to a certain group. You know, and that's limiting. And that's the same thing

when it comes to our inner conscious. Sometimes we're so stuck in our own, you know, our own control system of our mind. It's not allowing us to, you know, flow. And, you know, if something doesn't properly bend, it breaks. And these people, they breaks. And these people, they break. And they break a lot.

And you might have a friend or I might know someone. I know this girl who's hyper spiritual. And every three, four days, she's having some kind of seance. Yeah. It's wild. She's breaking down a lot. She's breaking down. It. She's breaking down.

It's very emotional, highly emotional, frantic. And she's leading into disease. She's starting to create and manifest autoimmune diseases, blood disorders, cognitive disorders. That's all luciferic. Luciferic is completely deflating you from being at your core constitution. And there's also, I have friends that are absolutely incarnated aromonic energies and their bodies are falling apart because they're not allowing themselves the rest and openness that

they deserve, right? So they're just stuck in inflammation. They're stuck in all these things. It's so powerful the way that you can look at these impulses and see people's health, right? Versus someone who's flowing, who's always a student, that has a spiritual practice that's balanced, that's grounded, that's not based on their having to push their agenda on someone else. They're in their own constitution. They always want to learn. They're always in the presence of themselves by honoring themselves. And you can see those people are just, they're just built a lot stronger, you know, because their constitution is not draining them all the time.

It's not fleeting and they're staying present. When you stay present, your body can stay present. If your mind is going somewhere else all the time, the body starts to follow you. And when the body starts to follow the mind, then you're going to have health issues. And that's where we talked about with our precious

internal system and our GI tract and our kidneys and our liver and all that stuff. It's fascinating. Everyone wants to worry about one little specific organ or one little thing here. It's about this. No, it's about that. That's an aromonic deception. We are completely whole. You know, the medical system, the way it diagnoses and treats, that's aramon, literally, incarnated through the medical system, through the mind of a standard operating medical doctor,

the way that they treat. Anything that's removing the pain, right? So we talked about that. This is a good one. So symptomology, right? Which is talked about that. This is a good one. So symptomology, right? Which is all pharmaceutical drugs. And it's also over-the-counter drugs. And it's also drugs that we're dealing with on the streets, right? You mentioned it earlier.

Opiates, even alcohol. So alcohol is interesting because... Hold on, let me stay on that track. And I'm just rambling right now. So symptomology, right? So we're blocking the body's ability to connect to the pain. When the body is trying to tell the brain, there's something hurting.

And it's going probably through the gut access and to the brain. These drugs, they're literally shutting down our ability to talk to ourselves. And I use the analogy of, let's say you go buy a $10 million Ferrari Enzo, you drive it off the dealership, you're on PCH, all of a sudden four check lights come on. Would you put duct tape over those check engine lights?

You'd have to be crazy to do that. You'd actually probably immediately pull over and not even drive that car another foot because that could destroy that $10 million car, right? You'd have it towed and it would be done like that and they would check it. Well, our life, our bodies are infinitely worth more than a $10 million Ferrari Enzo, right?

This is priceless. There's no trillions of dollars. There's no money. You can't even, but we do that all the time. We're living in the state of blocking every single one of those symptoms. We're discommunicating ourselves in so many ways. And that's not just through pharmaceutical drugs. That could be through all things. That could be through cannabis. That can be through coffee.

That can be through alcohol. That could be through cigarettes. That could be with all forms of addiction, right? I talk about addiction all the time. I think it's one of the most important aspects to learn about, for example, your thyroid, right? Everyone's dealing with some kind of thyroid issue, either hyperthyroid or hypothyroid, those things. That's, Chervin, what do I do about this? I'm on Synthroid. I've been on T3. I can't lose weight. Well, you can't lose weight because your body is confused and the metabolism isn't properly functioning because there's a blockage there. There's something going on. There's something that you're not getting to. And by you putting in a pharmaceutical form of T3, that problem's not being fixed, right? It's same thing. There's many layers to this. And one thing to jump on regarding alcohol,

alcohol really embodies both the luciferic and aramonic energy. So for example, this is cosmic alchemy. At our time with Paul Chex, my mandala was about the philosopher's stone. It was how do you transmutate lead into gold? The ancient alchemists, they were working their basic scientific processes to turn lead into gold because lead's the most abundant and they wanted all the riches. Little did they know that they couldn't do it with the way they were doing it. And most of them were killing themselves from mercury poisoning or whatever. But the true philosopher's stone, the true alchemy is transmutation of your own animalistic primal stuff that we were born with into going into the Tao,

into going into oneness, into going into an embodiment of the Philosopher's Stone, which is true sovereignty and true freedom. And it's interesting, that whole Hermes Trismegistus and that whole aspect of the Hermetic Code and all that stuff, that's really Lucifer and Aramon. It's the same thing. It's the same vibration of finding harmony and finding balance. So when we talk about alcohol, alcohol has been used by most alchemists for thousands and thousands of years. Alcohol, ethanol, you extract. So what are these alcohol tinctures, right? So you see them, right? They're fantastic. I have many here. Alcohol pulls the essence out of the flower or the herb. It's interesting. It can actually remove the essence. That's why we use alcohol

to extract from medicinal mushrooms, from herbs, all of those things. And I've probably made thousands of really high-end tinctures. Well, what's happening when we drink alcohol? Okay. Which the etymology of alcohol is algool, which means evil spirit. And that's why they call alcohol drink spirits. What's happening is we're removing our essence. So if you have one or two drinks of alcohol, you're okay. And you're going into a heightened luciferic energy. But once you start going into three, four, five, and the liver, which is the alchemist of the body, the liver is the body's alchemist, by the way. If anyone wanted to know what's the alchemist inside the body,

it's the liver. The liver is converting everything. It's converting hormones, proteins, carbohydrates, toxins, parasites, viruses. Geotagging. That was a cool one you were telling me about. It's geotagging. It's putting its stamp and saying, this is where you go. Geotagging. That was a cool one you were telling me about. It's geotagging. It's putting its stamp and saying, this is where you go.

This is where you go. That's what the liver does. The liver in all forms of different systems is the most important organ in the body. More important than the heart. Because in terms of, I mean, if you remove your heart, can you live?

No, of course not. But the heart does not do what the liver does. The liver does everything, right? So if you have more than two, three drinks, and let's say that you're possibly, you know, you're not Irish and maybe you're Native American, you don't have those enzymes to break down the aldehydes, all of a sudden the body freezes up

and starts to pull and leach all the important critical aspects of the body. So remember, when we take an alcohol tincture, what are we doing? When I put chaga mushrooms and reishis and schizandra and I let that sit for a year in the dark with reika vodka, what am I doing? I'm pulling the essence out of the plant, out of the material and putting it into the alcohol. The alcohol is taking it out, taking the essence. Then I can use that alcohol, I can distill it, I can do whatever I want and I can take the medicinal value of it, right?

Same thing's happening to the human body. When you put too much alcohol in it, it's pulling your essence out, right? So the first couple of drinks has a luciferic energy. You get, you're on a party, you're ready to go. It's stimulant, right? You get into a little bit of ego, right? Alcohol's ego-driven, right? Cocaine, ego-driven. Ayahuasca, removing ego. DMT, removing ego. LSD, removing ego. Mescaline, removing ego. Psilocybin, removing ego. Iboga, removing ego. Alcohol, raising ego. Cocaine, raising ego. You can do alcohol right, one or two drinks, your operating system's working right, then you're in a nice flow state and you're good, but it's all alchemy. You get a little bit too much, all of a sudden it's pulling and leaching all of the minerals out of your body, specifically magnesium.

Magnesium is the mineral or the electrolyte or the cofactor that allows cells to communicate. So all of a sudden you're removing your body's ability to communicate with each other. That's when you see people black out, right? We've all been there, right? You drink too much, you black out. What happens to that person? They completely shift consciousness. Do you have friends that you knew that would drink too much

and they became a completely different person? Yeah. I mean, shit. I wasn't a completely different person, but I've blacked out before. You know, I've had plenty of times. You have no idea what you did. I was telling you this story out in Newport where I projectile vomited onto the bar.

Well, the first weekend I was intimate with my wife, you know, and hanging with the Baders and Tom Lawler. Yeah. Plenty, countless experiences like that in my youth. Yeah. And everyone pretty much has gone through that. That's when the body is just completely in rejection mode. It just has to get it out. But once you get into that drunk stage, you're basically, you've removed your essence.

You've pissed it out. You've breathed it out. You know, when you drink a lot, you can feel it in your breath. Yeah, especially the next day. It's like, oh boy. Because it's coming out of your lungs. Your liver got overworked. It couldn't metabol oh boy. Because it's coming out of your lungs. Your liver got overworked.

It couldn't metabolize anymore. So it went through the portal vein, went into the bloodstream. The first place to go outside of the bloodstream is the lungs. And it has that like, you could feel, it's like almost flammable, right? Like your cough or your breath, if you had a match there, could spark it.

You know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, you got to off-gas. You got to off-gas it, right? So your lungs, if you had a match there, could spark it. You know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, you got to off-gas. You got to off-gas it, right? So your lungs, you're breathing it out. Then the lungs can't take it anymore. So you're inflaming your entire lungs. And then it goes to your heart. Once it goes to your heart, then it's pushed to the brain. You're in this kind of cycle here. So my whole point with all this, not to go down the deep rabbit hole of how alcohol works, is that alchemy and our spirituality, they're all one in the same. You know, we have to approach things from a scientific perspective, but also a spiritual perspective. And understanding how alcohol works in the body is a critical way of looking at your life. And that's a good litmus test or a good projection.

Too many drinks pulls you out of a possible luciferic vision of being omnipresent, omnimission, where you can see things. Everyone has that. One or two drinks of alcohol loosens you up, gets you comfortable, relaxes you. Six to eight drinks turns you into an aromantic shell of yourself and you basically become, any walk-in can jump in you. You know what I mean?

And that's the whole thing. That's why we have Alcoholics Anonymous. That's why alcoholism is considered an actual disease, but it's really just a dis-ease. That's ultimately what we're dealing with. And the reason why I'm talking about this is just another way of looking at these impulses and how they show up. And it could be in anything from pharmaceutical drugs to lifestyle, to what you're doing every day, to sexual addictions. Your sexual addictions could be extremely luciferic, right? You could have this mentality that you're dominating your partner or

you're dominating women or you're dominating men. That could be a luciferic. But also, if it's got no soul to it at all, then you're participating in an aramonic adventure where you're just a body, right? Devoid of the connection, devoid of anything that's worth meaning. That could be your karma, right? But at least by listening to this conversation, you've been given the opportunity to possibly have a perspective

outside of the one that you were grown up with. Absolutely, brother. This is my favorite conversation. I don't know, man. This is the stuff I love, man. We could talk about all the health stuff, which I love, and all these things, but this is it for me, man. Yeah.

We probably got to go and speak to large groups of people. Because this is just the beginning. We just got into the first chapter, right? I'm just setting the stage with you on the impulses. There is deep layers that we can go into. Absolutely, bro. Well, I already ordered four of these and I'm going to dive into all of them

and the next time we see each other hopefully in austin soon uh we might be able to just run it back and take an even deeper dive into this let's please do that i i think this is uh this was perfect it's been such an epic time with you time with our entire crew and um i will see you definitely in Austin and Kyle's trying to get me to for us to all move out to Austin and go that route I'm always open I'm not locked into anything so we'll check it out and see

how it flows hell yeah brother yeah man it's been excellent being here with you guys absolutely love you I love the time that we've been able to spend together and really connect brother it's been an honor brother thank you guys for tuning into the show today with my boy Chervene I hope you guys Absolutely love you. I love the time that we've been able to spend together and really connect, brother. It's been an honor, brother. Thank you guys for tuning into the show today with my boy, Sherveen. I hope you guys take a deep dive.

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