Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #195 Aaron Alexander

Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, it's hard to clap this in considering we have the ocean right behind us. I will set the stage at the beginning of this podcast. I'm out here in beautiful Costa Rica and I'm recording with my dude, Aaron Alexander, and I don't know how many times he's been on this show, but it is always a treat to get him back on the podcast. We are releasing this, co-releasing this together on his podcast, the aligned podcast, as well as this one right here.

Starting point is 00:00:30 Many of you know him as a movement expert. He is a physical specimen and just really well educated. And also I've, I've joked in the past as Aaron likes to play devil's advocate. And I mean that in the best way possible because a true friend doesn't just go along for the fucking ride and agree with everything you have to say. And even though our conversation is quite in alignment with one another, I say that just due to the fact that I love Aaron. He's such an amazing dude. And I always appreciate my

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Starting point is 00:09:19 Maybe your listeners are used to it. But I'm not always in front of an ocean. It was a couple episodes ago. You're going to hear that. You're going to hear birds. You're going to hear birds. You might hear these awesome cicadas in a tree next to us. And if we're lucky, we'll get the howler monkeys to come on. You also might hear some people since we're in a house of like 10, 12 fucking amazing people here.

Starting point is 00:09:43 We're in Costa Rica for Fit for Service and each other's company. That's right. Typically on mine, we're awkwardly sitting in a fairly tight sauna with people that are typically unprepared for the sauna. You have much experience with this. They're like podcasting or sweating. Neither. Embodied cognition is a, is a thing that I find an interesting topic in relation to the sauna and conversations.

Starting point is 00:10:07 And here, we're out here in the ocean. We have the sun and the cicadas and each other. It's a part of it. The texture of the couch that we're on, all of those inform the way that we think and feel and perceive the world. So when you're with someone and you you know you've heard of the study i think we probably talked about this a bunch of times but you're holding like an icy

Starting point is 00:10:29 beverage you heard no no no yeah so there's been there's been research in the realm of embodied cognition various various different things there's like a clipboard study and explain hold on back track explaining bodied cognition please in yeah So your body, how that informs your cognition. So your physical felt experience with this tissue, skin bag situation and your senses and such, how that informs the way that you process information. And so when you are holding an icy beverage, so says research, it will actually start to augment your perception of the world around you to be a little bit colder. So what they did with this is they were doing interviews with people for jobs. And they found that when they gave them an icy beverage and the interviewers, they would perceive the interviewees as being like, oh, he was a little cold. He was a little kind of closed.

Starting point is 00:11:31 But then you give him a warm cup of tea and a nice big soft bowl with Winnie the Pooh on or whatever. You're like, oh, you have that warm, open, humorous, they didn't have Winnie the Pooh. Then you perceive the person differently. The interviewer perceived the interviewee based on the temperature they had in their hand. Yeah. It's the same thing with clipboards. That's interesting. So this is why you get ripped off when getting a fancy business card. So, oh wow, I'm going to get...

Starting point is 00:11:53 Each business card costs $3. It's going to really make an impression. It's built on fucking titanium, platinum, whatever. And you give somebody that, it's all... You drop the business card. You're like, this person's weighty american psycho but the reason i say that is it's it's it's always interesting to me how our environmental conditions uh inform our uh our identity structure our felt experience our perception and filter in the world and so this one our personalities will express a little

Starting point is 00:12:24 bit differently likely than if we were, you were back on Rogan's podcast. I'm still trying to clarify this. So like if I could see how it would impact the person being interviewed because it's affecting

Starting point is 00:12:36 the temperature at their hand. Warm being opening, cold being constricting. So if it was a cold drink in their hand, they may share less. If it was a cold drink in their hand, they may share less. If it was a warm drink in their hand, they may share more and be more open about themselves. It would be bidirectional. Okay, bidirectional. It would certainly be bidirectional.

Starting point is 00:12:55 It'd be a funny judgment for me to be like, this fucking son of a bitch marched in here for an interview with a cold soft drink in his hand. Oh, yeah. You're out. No, no, no. I mean, yeah, I think that the way that you would, and obviously like with any research, it's like there was a bias by the researchers and over 50% of them. Quantum level.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Yeah. So it's just an interesting thing to pursue. Like take the research, I think any study, I think people that are, they're, they're excessively, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:20 quotatious in the realms of like studies, like everything's a study, a study, a study. Sometimes it's like, okay, well, that's also all of that is someone else's bias that you're now regurgitating. So taking a study like that is like just a little kernel to be like, oh, interesting. Is there something there? And now check in, you know, next time you're hanging out with somebody,

Starting point is 00:13:39 maybe a girlfriend or a guy friend, how do you feel with that person when you're on like a fluffy couch? How do you feel with that person when it's way too cold in the room? How do you feel with that person when it's warm in the room? How do you feel with that person when there's bright blue lights coming down? How do you feel with that person when there's candles? All of that is embodied cognition. And you can leverage that as a really powerful tool. I love that.

Starting point is 00:14:00 Yeah, you set the table with it. Yeah, there's definitely a feel. There's always, I mean, anyone who's been to Central and South America knows there's a different feel there. Costa Rica has its own resonance. It's a really special place. My first time up north, I've kind of bounced around all over the place. The first week I was here with my mom back in 2015, and then last trip was to sultara but we're in the the last stages of dry season there were some forest fires going when we drove in um definitely dry arid even

Starting point is 00:14:33 though you see all this lush green here next to the ocean it's um there's just a fucking vibe you know it's it's a really cool place to be yeah and to feel that and i think that's um something i always have gratitude for in an altered state of consciousness is like a felt understanding of visceral knowing as opposed to just a cognitive knowing yeah and and minus any drug or psychedelic or altered state of consciousness i mean fuck the breath work we did before this was altering our state. Love, love, love. We fall in love. Yeah. Drugs.

Starting point is 00:15:07 State change, right? But there's a visceral feel here and it's very relaxing. And yeah, fully recognizing too how many people aren't traveling right now. So I want to acknowledge that,

Starting point is 00:15:19 but it's fucking awesome. Yeah. It is an awesome feel. I think with just to follow the thread of the environment, shifting, shaping the way that we think and feel. Last night, we went to this East Forest show that absolutely blew my mind.

Starting point is 00:15:34 And during that, one of the things that was coming up for me was the value, and they were talking about it, so I don't think it was coming up for everyone because they were suggesting it comes up for us, but the value of intentionality. And and I think it's it's easy to think we're maybe we're in ultimately how you do anything is how you do everything probably but we're intentional about certain things but we can kind of throw other things it's like oh it doesn't really matter and it may be really intentional about maybe your business or maybe a specific relationship but then

Starting point is 00:16:03 you come back and your home is a wreck you Or maybe you're not very specific or intentional about your geographical location in the world or the people you're spending time with or any of that. It's an interesting thing, almost like a self-audit. When you walk into your room, really look around and say, how does this room inform the way that I think and the way that I feel, the way that I perceive myself? Do I walk in and it's kind of like in disarray? I was like, okay, cool. I'm like a disarray kind of guy. And then also having acceptance and love for that.

Starting point is 00:16:36 So not putting, there's no one specific way to live life that is any better or worse, but hopefully you are at least sovereign enough to engage with the choice of what you want to create. And you have the awareness to see that there are choices around that. It's the perception, the recognition of there's a perceptive feel in my environment that impacts the way that I feel, think, and operate. And it can be as simple as a state change through breath work or as simple as rearranging the room. Before I left, Paul Cech got me this amazing birthday present. It's a statue of Sereninos, who is the Celtic god of nature. And he's powerful. I saw him at Cech's down for the Mandala painting workshop and

Starting point is 00:17:22 immediately was drawn to him like just fucking i was like wow and of course he sensed that and hooked me up with this incredible fucking present for my birthday and so um i had already felt my altar in disarray you know and i kind of told tosh like hey you know this is fucking way too busy yeah can we consolidate this is like oh yeah i've thought that for a while and then uh you know i went to work one day i came back and the room was completely redone with serenos up there and so that's how i left and that's what i get to return to yeah i just have tons of gratitude not only for tosh but and check and everything else but like that the the understanding the the understanding that with that awareness we can change something slightly and it's never perfect or it's perfect for

Starting point is 00:18:08 only a short while. And then you have adjustments to make as with anything, but like that recognition allows that to happen. So I don't just walk into my room and feel like something's off. Yeah. You know, like I can make it, I can,

Starting point is 00:18:19 we get to choose how to make it from within our own personal kingdom to the kingdom of relationship, to the kingdom of relationship to the kingdom of home and our every environment we're in and still accept the things we can't change about it yeah you know with the the psychedelic conversation something that i've heard from somebody else of uh do you know who said beware of knowledge unearned it was someone it was like someone pretty clever beware of knowledge unearned beware of knowledge unearned. It was someone pretty clever. Beware of knowledge unearned. Beware of knowledge unearned. No, but I like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:47 And I think that's a lot of the psychonaut space where it's like people getting hot and bothered about doing all the ayahuasca and all the DMT and all the

Starting point is 00:18:56 just all the things and kind of wearing that as a badge. You're like, oh, cool. I did the thing so now I've did the work. It's like

Starting point is 00:19:03 I almost I feel like you have more depth way more depth in this conversation than i do um but it almost feels like to me like the work is outside of that space where you you do arrange your environment in a way that suits the ideal of what you're intending to create and you do arrange your relationships and you do arrange your career and your financial situation and your family and all that like that's like okay like i'm out in the world i'm like i'm doing the work to actually build this house and then perhaps the the psychedelic experience is with that it's more of like a a yin feminine i'm i'm doing the letting go it's now it's like and the listening right well yeah whatever downloads you get i'm doing

Starting point is 00:19:52 listening yeah so ideally you're not doing the lingo i'm just kind of being cute language but yeah but that's like okay like i hear i'm there's no doing i'm i'm just surrendering and being and listening and but that's not the work. That's a part of the work. But then it's like, okay, now what do you do with that? Yeah, it's a step. It's a stage in the work. It's not a stage in the integration.

Starting point is 00:20:15 Integration comes after. And through all the talks around integration, it's like very pragmatically, it's what steps have you taken to change your life significantly? Yep. You know? And if it's, if it was just a letting go process or healing from something in the past, cool. But then how did that change the relationship with the person whom that happened with? Or how did that change your relationship towards yourself? Or how did that change?

Starting point is 00:20:40 How are you, how is your self-talk, your internal dialogue shifted from before to now? There's many ways to track that stuff, but it all comes down to putting feet on the ground. Have you had any specific stumbling blocks that you continually come back to over the last 1, 5, 10, 20 years where you're like, oh, I thought I had that and it's still a returning pattern? um the man the negative the negative mental loops from my solo cast in december well the solo cast is recent but the the five meos and or in desert totem in december that continued for a while you know i think i think i mentioned this to you yesterday or the day before like even uh my listeners will know but but for your listeners, I went through like a 17-day journey from one experience with the snoring desert toad. And so it's the only medicine where, to my knowledge, where you can have reactivations

Starting point is 00:21:39 to the degree of your experience. So whatever your dose was, you can go to that depth in your dream state or in meditation. And oftentimes it's not willingly. It's like, fucking here you go. And that was for sure the hardest experience of my life, but it started to blend the waking state with the, or the waking dream with the sleeping dream. And- Were you underslept at that time or not at all? I was completely underslept when it started. So after the ceremony, I think December 7th, uh, lasted 17 days. And the first three nights I didn't sleep cause I, I didn't want to go back there alone.

Starting point is 00:22:18 Whoa. I was like, nope, I don't, I surrendered to not sleeping. I don't surrender to going back to hell without other people guiding, you know, without a support system. And, um, didn't even want to bring it up to Tosh, you know, like I can't, I'm losing my mind. I can't tell her that. And yet at the same time, she's so intuitive and knows me better than anyone. She's like, what the fuck is going on?

Starting point is 00:22:39 So that, that caused a chain reaction to finally get ahold of Paul check. We talked for two hours on Christmas Eve. He taught me how to ground it. Fucking rest is history. If you want more, listen to the solo cast. How do you, how do you ground it?

Starting point is 00:22:49 Sorry. He had a closing ceremony that he, that he offered for me to bridge the gap. And this is, this is good for your listeners to like, really want to close the ceremonies. You know, if you go to Ayahuasca,

Starting point is 00:23:01 it's Altara. They know they're going to sing Icarus that close the circle each night each night um and they you know closing circle at the end of your fourth night the next day is going to be a part of that experience too for some of the other stuff that goes on stateside and things like that like we don't i've never typically closed a mushroom journey or a dmt journey or any of those things so it was really important to do that And part of the grounding process is speaking things into existence, using the logos, that vibration that calls from the mental, emotional, and astral realms back into 3D reality through vibrations, through the word. So speaking aloud everything I've learned after a fucking proper saging

Starting point is 00:23:42 in a hot bath with 12 drops of frankincense, everything I've learned from the darkness, how it's going to change my life, how I vow to operate differently because of that. And perhaps most importantly, asking God to bridge the gap to my solar high self, to my small self. So Kyle Kingsbury understands it

Starting point is 00:24:02 without anyone else's help, what needs to change going forward if there's any other lessons please bring it to me in my dreams without fear so i can stay asleep and actually start to restore my body insanity and it worked you know no doubt it worked very well i had super psychedelic dreams no fear slept like a baby first night christmas eve and uh first night in 17 days, you know, but, but some of those negative thought loops and the most common question, I mean, I'm getting questions about this from fit for service members. The most common questions are the specifics of

Starting point is 00:24:37 the negative thought loops. And it's not, it's not so much the specifics that matter. Like I don't mind people's curiosity. It is that the way I would explain it is more on a general approach to thought in to thought. Yeah. So when we were driving a car and we have a thought train that we're tracking, generally we seek to resolve an idea or a path forward. Like we're looking to track something. So it's like, hmm, is it this or is it that?

Starting point is 00:25:14 Oh, okay. I think it's this. Yeah, that resonates. All right. Well, then what about this and this? And we kind of go through these little steps of polarity that can guide us to a way forward. And what I was finding in that experience was that rather than guiding me to a path forward, it would guide me in a way that kind of slowly circled back to the very beginning thought.

Starting point is 00:25:39 And I would catch myself back at the beginning and be like, fuck, no, like I'm stuck. And it was always negative. It would invert any spiritual teaching I've ever had that was positive and invert it to the negative. It was extreme polarity at its most extreme. And how do you define negative and positive in that, in that context? Negative meaning either left me with a feeling of fear or disharmony or pointlessness and meaninglessness. What is my existence? What is the root of that fear or bigger,

Starting point is 00:26:17 less tangible question, fear itself? The root. I don't know if there is a room. Maybe. I'm not sure. I mean, there was like on 30 grams

Starting point is 00:26:25 of mushrooms there's a very i understood the first layers of hell yeah as things i was consciously afraid of i was afraid my wife and i had already miscarried so i was very afraid of us miscarrying with wolf very afraid of that so like to live through her doing that in the most gruesome fucking 16k you know blood going into my mouth from her exploding like that was fucking gnarly yeah and on an infinite loop until i finally didn't care then i move on to the next like in hindsight it's like oh of course yeah man i fucking really feared that but this is digging up shit that i had i hadn't even thought of it was like real time finding ways like have you thought of this that would suck you know like yeah that's your existence. Like just fucking sorting through every kind of fear. I think, I think the

Starting point is 00:27:09 ultimate lesson in that experience was something that, you know, most of the sages and saints from the East talk about is that you're not your thoughts. You know, it's, if I believe in the fucking thought, if I attach to the thought now i'm really along for the right thoughts for like a tv channel yeah channel 34 channel 39 channel 666 so it was gnarly you know it was it was really gnarly um but but you know a few days ago even before coming out here and my plan was to have um my prescription ketamine nasal spray at east forest you know like that was gonna be my first time journeying at any level. It was a moderate level,

Starting point is 00:27:48 but my first time really journeying since last December, which is, at times I've taken years off since my first ayahuasca ceremony. I've gone nearly two years in between ceremonies. It's not like I'm back to the wishing well consistently, but this was a good break for me to integrate this, but still a question mark kind of looming like, oh, how am I going to feel into this? And so a few days before coming here, while I was driving Bear to school, the thought loop came up. And that was the first time where

Starting point is 00:28:20 the negative thought loop came and I was able to just witness it and kind of, oh, there you are, old friend. It's been a while. Holy shit. And then wondering, the fear in that is wondering, is this always with me now? Or is this never going to change? Or will it ever go back to normal? And it's like, I had experienced enough normal for me to understand that, yes, this is likely with me. And this likely was probably already with me. I just didn't have the awareness of it. It likely was already there that I overthought things or overworried over shit that's out of my control in the future. And one thing I brought up on the podcast was the explicate informing the implicate, the implicate informing the explicate, as above, so below, as within, so without.

Starting point is 00:29:08 It's kind of like embodied cognition. Yeah, brother. Your environment informs. What I'm looking at, I don't watch the news, but man, I'm pretty clued in on some of the things that are going on in the world that don't resonate with me. And for people that haven't listened to the guests that I've had on in the world that don't resonate with me. And for people that haven't listened to the guests that I've had on in the last six months, it's totally fine. Fundamentally,

Starting point is 00:29:31 what lockdowns meant for me was the power, the people that are in control of what we do in everyday life, they're pushing us all to agree upon a set of ideas that don't resonate. That's not my lived experience. I don't fear nature. I don't fear my environment. I don't think the boogeyman's going to fucking take me out. I take care of my body and that's reflected to me. And if I get sick, I fucking get over it and I'm better for it.

Starting point is 00:30:02 I've lived that experience and that's not going to change due to something mutating or some shit like that. So, or something made in a lab or anything otherwise, I'm not afraid of it and I'm not afraid of nature, you know? And so to, but, but to have that impact my life and everyone I know their lives, um, there's a certain powerlessness in that. And, uh, and, uh, you know, the more I was digging into what that looks like in the future, potentially, of where these things want to go. And it's not just conjecture. It's from some of the Bill Gates of the world, the Klaus Schwab's from the World Economic Forum. What they're saying in advance of what they want to get things to is not where I want to fucking go.

Starting point is 00:30:46 And at the same time, it's with that awareness and recognition and the serenity prayer of knowing what I'm in charge of and what I have control over. I'm going to focus on that and the things that are out of my control. I'm not going to let it bother me. It's circling back to that, that allows me to live and operate as i do right now yeah i wonder what the the i'm still wrapped up in the root of fear and i wonder i'm just saying that that impacted my ceremony yeah without fucking question yeah without question but so that's so that with that i i wonder if it's possible maybe not possible i wonder what fear looks like in a in a mind and body that's in full complete utter acceptance of death like not in a in a oh i say it intellectually but i'm truly

Starting point is 00:31:34 like oh like i'm i'm really unattached like not disassociated and despondent and apathetic but like i could be here in this form or another. And then the steps to getting to that point, again, not in an apathetic, despondent, depressed, disconnected way. In a deeply, deeply connected way. Yeah, like Hoka Hei. Today is a good day to die. There's no stone left unturned. I have made peace with my life

Starting point is 00:32:05 and peace with those around me. And if I go today, it's a good day. Which ultimately probably comes back to, my guess would be, if you opened yourself up to as much love as you were able to give and receive. I would think for myself, if I lived with a constricted capacity to love and

Starting point is 00:32:26 be loved and then i was on my moment of like car spinning out i'm gone and i and i didn't really allow anyone else in myself in i'd be like fuck you know i'd be like damn it like that was my go no but i would think that you don't necessarily need to run for president of Costa Rica or something like that to live your best life. I think that you could just in an instant right now live your best life through dropping that protection enough and armor and defense mechanisms enough to say like, okay, I'm truly free. And I can hear myself saying some of these things and not fully embodying it because i'm still in my own process you know what i'm saying but i just wonder i wonder if that's yeah i don't have no i have no fear of death personally um there are things that are far worse than death yeah Yeah. There is torture that happens. There are, you know, I mean, this isn't just, you know,

Starting point is 00:33:28 reading shit on Gab or what was the other one that got taken down? The right-wing site that fucking Amazon, Google, and iTunes took out. I don't know. I don't know. Whatever the fucking site was, people will know. It's not, you know, like the,

Starting point is 00:33:55 it's not just hearing Alex Jones talk about kids and sexual trafficking and things like that. It's like talking to like a Tim Kennedy, you know, who knows that not only is that real but there are people on this planet right now who once they're kidnapped will be forced to have sex they'll be raped for 16 hours a day with eight hours of sleep until they die until their body gives out well it's that understanding that the darkness is here and there are things that are worse than death. And I don't particularly, as a six foot three former fighter, worry about that in myself.

Starting point is 00:34:34 And I don't particularly worry about that with my family and my kids. There's just things worse than death. So it's not for me just the i'm cool with dying it's it's you know what systems get put in place under the fallacy of safety from something we should not be afraid of you know there's no that i think anybody who has a decent enough experience in nature with medicines or not understands like yeah nature is metal fucking there's things that can eat your ass and life eats life to live and at the same time that's not the thing to fucking be afraid of we we can come into harmony and resonance within our environment and and live in that resonance and not fear nature

Starting point is 00:35:26 like there's fucking no reason to fear nature and this fundamental divide that we have of separation from that is where all this shit stems from we're gonna outsmart it we're gonna fucking have a pill for every every disease we're gonna uh figure out a better food supply that can feed the masses instead of figuring out how to heal the soil and feed people locally and clean up water supplies like our buddy Justin Wren is doing, you know, with the pygmies. Bringing things back to nature in concert with it is the way forward. And it was the past. We have to circle back to that. And the further we get into outsmarting the thing that we're inherently interconnected with and interdependent of it's just going to fucking lead us further and further away from the mission yeah and and that's

Starting point is 00:36:11 you know there are people in charge with high fucking bankrolls that want that and i think that's that's been an experience at the same time with where i'm at now i can i can surrender to knowing this is a force that is potentially going to drive us to reconnect to nature. That, that from a bird's eye view, this may be the thing that gets enough people to say, let's live in community.

Starting point is 00:36:34 Let's fucking heal the soil. Let's grow our own food. Let's, let's start to reconnect and do whatever we can in our part. Even if you live in a fucking apartment, like taking a 45 minute drive out of town to connect to a local rancher that does regenerative agriculture, you know, going to a farmer's market and spending five bucks more instead of fucking that whole foods,

Starting point is 00:36:53 like little things like that can be your entry point in your give, you know, and Eisenstein talks about that. There's no, no effort is too small. No effort, no matter how little when done for the good of all goes unnoticed. Everything, no matter every act, no matter how small is felt through the all of consciousness. Well,

Starting point is 00:37:12 that's the thing I was, I think that sometimes the act of like living back to the, the death conversation, me or death bed and be like, oh man, I didn't live my best life. Like, I think that we have access to begin living our being our highest self-actualized selves you know to lose use

Starting point is 00:37:33 maslow talk um in an instant you know and it doesn't need to be this grandiose heroic daunting task if i need to climb my metaphoric mount everest and then it's like like just in starting the process now like that's that's enough yeah so when you when you have the mountain out there you're like oh my god it's so much i gotta i gotta get a backpack and i gotta get a map i gotta get it's like no you you deciding to get the backpack from the map that's you're climbing the mountain yeah you're in yeah one step you could die, you deciding to get the backpack and the map, that's you're climbing the mountain. Yeah. You're in. Yeah, one step at a time.

Starting point is 00:38:06 You could die now. You could die at the top. Like, you're in. But I think oftentimes it's easy in my mind to feel like what I desire to feel complete in this life is too grandiose, which I think is just a bunch of illusion. I think that it's all here right now. It is. No doubt. No doubt.

Starting point is 00:38:28 Yeah. Matthias DeStefano, I talk about him on my podcast, but an excellent series. At least season one, for sure, on Gaia is called Initiation with Matthias DeStefano. And he goes through, episode one is unity. He goes through the dimensions. Unity, dualityity trinity four pillars of consciousness fifth dimension sixth dimension seventh eighth is akashic nine is the return home and uh whatever you want to call that in the seventh dimension we got our seven power

Starting point is 00:38:57 chakras however may have now you know it's up for grabs depending on which school you're in but with those seven we should start a chakra system that would be fucking cool wouldn't that be dope but the seven gave us the ability right here in our meat suit to experience all levels all dimensions of consciousness in our fucking human form so the idea of ascension i was talking with claire about this this morning the idea of ascension that we would leave here like like, you know, the old Christian adage, and this is poo-pooing on Christianity, but like, I'll be a good boy here, so I get to go to heaven. Or, you know, it's I'll be happy when I'll work this job, then I retire, then I get to go to Costa Rica. Whatever the fucking lie is, that's Maya. That's the illusion. And the gift is that we, with these seven chakras, can experience every realm right here in this meat suit and having

Starting point is 00:39:45 lived in hell for a month in my waking state and that was mirrored back to me through my interactions with bear with the dogs with everything there's your son yeah with with all of those things like i know that's a lived experience i know that's a felt experience by nodes of consciousness on this planet right now. And at the same time, having the gift of receiving my mind back after it was taken away, I now can really appreciate the fact that we choose to live heaven on earth through action, through being, through our own knowing and our own resonance. And it's not something far away from us it's not after kyle kingsbury or after aaron alexander it's right now

Starting point is 00:40:31 if we choose it right yeah yeah the the i think the body is a and this again isn't new information but the body's an antenna and so when you have a your antennas kind of misaligned and contorted and torqued and twisted it's not going to it's not going to channel or access the same frequencies that one that was more robust robust yeah about that robustness the robustness the robustness so i have a i have i have a feeling that the point, the ultimate or grander point of taking care of the body and working to find balance, necropoise, and all those words, alignment, is to, if you want to look at it from a more spiritual lens would to be relieve the corporeal situation of the static that is all the flares saying tend to this, tend to this, tend to this. There's,

Starting point is 00:41:31 there's fires here. So if you have all of these fires that could, you know, quite literally be like inflammation in various different joints or maybe your brain or, you know, if you can find balance and ease within those quell those then all of a sudden it it opens the antenna up for to travel up that most maslow's hierarchy into higher states yeah

Starting point is 00:41:55 but it's like i think it's like you have to take care and then maybe there could be a caveat to this because maybe the fires could be so bad that you that you're forced to transcend the body in a different way and that is the teacher and that is the lesson yeah but it's i think the liminal gray space where the body's just kind of shitty you know and it's like it's like it's it's it's this dull ongoing nagging kind of discomfort in self that that's the most challenging it's like a drug addict if someone's hooked on meth it's almost a gift compared to someone that's the most challenging it's like a drug addict if someone's hooked on meth it's almost a gift compared to someone that's you know hooked on power you know or hooked on money or hooked on you know vanity or all the things because culture is like oh yeah you're

Starting point is 00:42:35 awesome more power it's like oh god okay good i'll do anything for it all you're like yeah yeah it's great you're the cover of entrepreneur well done both look like smiegel on the inside though yeah exactly but they both look like smiegel on the inside yeah but so but i think it's i think it's the yeah it's that that gray dull aching static that's it's almost i'd rather be pushed to one pole or the other just in order to create change yeah then you could at least see it, right? Circling back to awareness. With the awareness, that's the first step in being able to track. I got a question for you. What has been, you know, we had this journey last night with East Forest,

Starting point is 00:43:17 and I don't know if you got to journal about it, but I wanted to hear how your experience was, because if you're willing to talk about it. Yeah, yeah. Because for me, it was so alchemizing in my experience from what i've previously spoken to and maybe i'll dive into it but i i want to know what your experience was like because you you know you know for a container you know we're outdoors in costa rica and the winds there the trees are there east forest, he's been on my podcast twice. He's fucking really special, really special,

Starting point is 00:43:50 especially for holding space and providing music as medicine. But in the pairing of an altered state, really one of the few that is able to carry that medicine. So I was wondering how your experience was. There are so many different things. The one I did journal about it this morning, I realized how much I sound like a fruity new agey guy. Like, come on, man.

Starting point is 00:44:22 I'm journaling. We're talking about femininity and spirituality. I feel like we need to swing some kettlebells. We should wrestle. Should we wrestle on the podcast? Yeah, we can do that. We'll get somebody else to just film it handy cam style. It's a rocky beach, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:39 Yeah, you're right. But one thing, so there's a bunch of different things. The one thing that was a really powerful visceral sensation was I've been this year. I've been more interested and open and engaged with relationships with a, a feminine counterpart than I've been for probably 10 years, mostly out of just, I think unreadiness fear, you know, just really not feeling ready in myself because I felt like I had so much more work to do before I could

Starting point is 00:45:10 really bring in the partner that matched what I desired, which could be a story. But I felt like that was the case for essentially like the last decade. I was kind of like not really available to be in a relationship. And presently I feel like I'm more available than I've ever been in a more mature way. And that was a sensation that I was experiencing last night was for me, the sensation of being able to, this is going to sound, here we go, like rest into my feminine. And again, feminine, masculine, that's just, you know, a kind of like a tool to express something maybe that's a little more ineffable, but to rest into that listening, that nurturing, that creativity, that exhalation that i don't need to support or contain or defend or think or problem solve or

Starting point is 00:46:11 plan it's just oh you know so that would be i think feminine yeah you know you could define it however you'd like it's just a held hell yeah yeah so all the all these words they're just didactic tools to try to express something that's language in general language hell yeah yeah so all the all these words they're just didactic tools to try to express something that's language in general language in general yeah so when i say masculine feminine about you probably at least 25 of people probably rolling their eyes 75 of people are like oh this is i think they get enough of that on this on my podcast for sure we oddly enough you know no i would hope that some people do roll their eyes because i think a lot of people that do lead with that kind of new age type conversation it's a bit of a guise to protect something some kind of insecurity or power reaching for power or whatever it might be i've had a

Starting point is 00:46:55 conversation with godsey recently about this new lexicon of spirituality where people in relationships basically use a different tool set of language to say the fucking same thing that either to get laid or to pass blame on another in relationship. Like, Oh, you're gaslighting. Right.

Starting point is 00:47:11 And that's a projection you're projecting on, you know, it's just another mask. Yeah. Spirituality is just another mask. There's a deeper spirit. That's it's the ever present. There's no,

Starting point is 00:47:22 it was just, you know, and then there's all the jargon and the talk and yeah it's the same it's the same as everything else but within everything else there's a pure form and then there's the 80 90 whatever percent of this is getting into the lucifer and aramon which i can circle back to uh big time not not the other conversation we're gonna have i've talked with shervine on this podcast about it. I don't find anything wrong with the language you used to describe the feminine. What I was pointing out is that this week for Fit for Service is all on the sacred feminine.

Starting point is 00:47:54 So there's no coincidence there. Next trimester, sacred masculine, final trimester of the year, divine union. So I sat with a similar feeling in that. And your man arm, your dude arm on top of mine was my grounding cord that really allowed me to release into that and not need to try or figure shit out. It was just like there was a human element in you laying next to me and Razvani on my left that allowed me to fully let go yeah you know and that that was really fucking special for me but yeah so that was the thing that i was experiencing that was just like i think in order to sometimes so i do like acro yoga you know i pick people up and twist them around and sometimes do more acrobatic stuff sometimes therapeutic stuff but something that's very well informing with i think anything but in acro for this specific example is to if you were a base that's the person that's on the ground spinning people around it's it's you learn so much from flying flying is the person that's up top and gets twisted and turned

Starting point is 00:49:04 and it's like a beautiful butterfly. You've flown me many times. Yeah, exactly. I'm your butterfly. Yeah, exactly. You're my butterfly. Exactly. But within that, it's such a beautiful thing because when you are being flown, if you're typically the base, 98% of the time you're the base, when you're flown, you learn so much about how to base better. And that was the really interesting sensation last night. I was essentially, most of my life, I think I lean into more like masculine qualities, even though I'm very, I think, ambi with that.

Starting point is 00:49:37 But last night it was this interesting sensation of like, this is it. This is what the feminine desires at a deep core level this sensation of oh wow like the music is i mean the music's just like it's it's nurturing the sound is good it feels safe there's no glitching there's no it's like oh wow it's it's been taken care of it's tended to this is like well thought out yeah not their first rodeo yeah exactly like the ground is like it's like we got mats it's like soft there's like this breeze coming through i have the support of my community and i feel just so held and so safe and within

Starting point is 00:50:18 that that held safety it allows me you know whatever whatever me consciousness self whatever um to start to drift and wander and expand and and just like rest into something that's not survival go yeah you know and that was an interesting sensation i was like oh, Oh, like this is what women want. They're not in a sleazy, slimy, like, okay, here's how I'm going to,

Starting point is 00:50:48 here's the tips to get laid. But I'm like, this is what women want. Yeah. Or feminine one is what men want to the feminine aspect of men and women. We have both poles. Yeah. Everyone does.

Starting point is 00:50:58 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But that was, so that was just a very interesting sensation that I found to be kind of novel in a way where i was like it felt like full-on like uh like school i was like oh wow like this is this is cool okay how do i maintain that that's the lessons that i'm getting from the periphery from my environmental conditions here how do i embody that pull that in into my next conversation periphery, from my environmental conditions here, how do I embody

Starting point is 00:51:25 that, pull that in, into my next conversation, you know, or into my next engagement of any sort? Like that sensation that I was able to feel through not any one specific person, it was an aggregate of, you know, a hundred different people, but how do I, how do I, I bottle and encapsulate that sensation in order to be able to carry it in my life? Yeah. I think there is a... I get what you're saying with that terminology. And at the same time, I want to say that there's no holding onto any of it.

Starting point is 00:51:57 That's part of the experience is to experience it in the now. And then when you need the refresh, that's the beauty of having another experience like that, you know, and at the same time, how you carry that in between is not making it a requirement for that experience again, you know, to be the person that goes back to the wishing well, my hands raised right now more often than necessary, you know, and yeah, the masculine, even immune like the self, when you were talking about our bodies as an antenna or a tuning fork, Samantha Sweetwater talked to me about this.

Starting point is 00:52:33 She's an incredible woman, studied under Dr. Will Tagle and many others, homies with Charles Eisenstein, and just a brilliant, brilliant medicine woman. And she talked about our bodies are our own inner earth. How we tend our own garden not only influences how we think and feel, but that is a reflection of what we give to the earth. It's not just, oh yeah, I recycle or I do this. No, me tending my own garden of my body, that's putting your auntie in to the game. And you, you know, you are the earth. Right. Exactly. And so, yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:09 Fuck yeah. Yeah. So, so how you walk with that feminine in that safety net, and this is medicine for me too, is allowing the masculine to hold that, you know, it's allowing the mountain energy, you know, your own inner mountain of the masculine to hold your feminine and if it's there authentically and not you know in a make-believe sense because the inner knowing knows where you're fucking full of shit or not right well yeah but if you're if you're standing in that and likely from grounding practices opening the body having that channel

Starting point is 00:53:42 fucking wide open not twisted and contorted in that experience the body, having that channel fucking wide open, not twisted and contorted. In that experience, the body likely does feel safe enough to express itself, to listen, to surrender to not knowing outcome. Yeah, the body's, it's interesting, two things. One, I'd like to add more solidity and grounding to big new agey statements like you are the earth. There's a metaphor from Watts that I really love that I'm sure you've already heard a bunch of times, but he talks about apple trees appling. So you go buy an apple tree and you see the apple coming out and it's hanging off of the thread there and you're like, wow, what a great apple.

Starting point is 00:54:27 It's like that apple is the tree. You know, it's a continuation of the tree. And so he talks about the earth peopling. Have you heard this before? No. Oh, it's great.

Starting point is 00:54:36 This is dope. Yeah, it's a great just like metaphor or analogy in my mind to see that, you know, at some point if you believe in evolution,

Starting point is 00:54:45 but at some point the earth was a bunch of rocks and for that, maybe a bunch of stardust, whatever. And then eventually, just like the tree, the tree starts off, germinate this little seed, grows up, it's just leaves and sticks. And then eventually, there's an apple. So the earth is similar in that way where it started off as a bunch of rocks

Starting point is 00:55:05 and then all of a sudden with time and evolution and germination and all the things, all of a sudden, here we are. But I think it's easy to buy the idea that I'm separate. And that's more Watt stuff.

Starting point is 00:55:18 He says, we're taught that we come into this world. And so that from the drop, that belief that I came into this world, it's like, okay, there's a separation. Yeah. You know, so there's me, there's the world, I'm entering.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Yeah. It's like, no, you are the world. You came, you're directly an outcropping of the world. And so the way that you treat yourself isn't just a kind of like a proxy or a metaphor, you know, as below, so, how's it go as above so below it's like above and below are the same shit yeah it's just a continuation yeah anyways so that was something so you are the earth i was like oh god i'm doing it again i love that no brother that's that's that's good shit hold. But then I have a thing. Give me more. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:20 So the body, a grounded way to perceive that, you know, those contractions and such that might have existed in our body since we were babies. You know, we learned that at some point it wasn't safe to be at our, you know, with our family and our home and, you know, in the world. That is like, kind of like, again, more of a nebulous, like, huh, interesting. But when you think of like fear, like anybody can, you can portray fear in your body right now. You can't be afraid without physically expressing fear. And so if you're afraid, you'll contract your traps will engage and your scalenes and your masseter, maybe your fists and blood will perfuse into the periphery, into your legs,

Starting point is 00:56:57 into your arms to run you out of the room. Your pupils will physically dilate. You're taking in more light, more information. You go in this fight, flight, get the freak out of the room. And so when we say there's trauma in the body, it's like, no, there's working in real time. You're perceiving trillions of bits of information that's informing the structure and posture and physiology and chemistry and hormones and everything of this physical vehicle. And so just thinking of what's my postural expression of feeling safe, feeling held, feeling supported, feeling a part of something bigger than myself, feeling like I can drop the weight. There's no me. I'm a part of something much larger you know how does that feel you know or how does it feel to be uh you know alone to feel afraid to feel you know any of those things

Starting point is 00:57:52 like how does that posturally express and so when we can so that in an instant your body will change based off of your your emotion so what happens when the body gets stuck in those those patterns and you never you know close the container like you're talking about before they shook the pattern off eventually the pattern starts to almost it becomes like a like a like a valley of sorts you know like a rut you get stuck in those different patterns and then it's like who's you're almost expressing mentally emotionally the past held memory of those physical contractions because when you form contort yourself into that defensive position you start to perceive the world more like oh they're out to get me yeah so you're holding onto your cell phone all day forward head posture on the computer hunching over the desk so your

Starting point is 00:58:44 spine's rolling forward. It's affecting the way that you breathe. Your breath's more up in that sympathetic fight flight type place. And then it forms the way you perceive the world. And then that feeds back and it becomes this real stuck pattern that it becomes who we think we are,

Starting point is 00:58:59 but that's just this very small topical tip of the iceberg layer that we've kind of attached on to but it feels safe because it's all that we know but then to have a pattern interrupt like last night's experience like a like a big like kind of pause on all of that um it's such an interesting thing to have i know i'm just rambling on but it's such an interesting thing to have the opportunity to feel safe, held, all of those things enough to be able to draw the lens back and see that, oh, that contracted layer that we all carry. I'm contracted, you're contracted, you're also love and light and rainbows and all that stuff. But there's also the contraction, the twists and the turns that most of us stick on. Wow, that was just a small fragment of

Starting point is 00:59:46 this human experience that I've been running as my full OS operating system for the last different timeframe for different people. Anyways, thanks for letting me ramble on. That was dope. I'm learning here too.

Starting point is 01:00:01 It's curious. When quarantine started, my back went out first time in my life. And the It's something, it's curious. Like when quarantine started, my back went out. First time in my life. And, you know, the as above, so below, whatever you want to call that. Principal correspondence. Sorry, I got my feet all in your business. Dog, we're about to snuggle out here.

Starting point is 01:00:18 Scissor me timbers. Scissor me timbers. What does cuck mean? Is that when your wife gets a cuck? Yeah, that's when you- I've been called that before. That's when you... That's when a guy whimpers in the corner while some dude with a bigger cock bangs his wife.

Starting point is 01:00:30 That's like, I was just making sure. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. Continue. Oh my God. We needed comedic relief. There you have it.

Starting point is 01:00:37 Back to the spiritual conversation. I'm just trying to learn. He's trying to learn. Yeah. So my body went out with quarantine starting. And what's funny is like this is the first time i've done rehab or pt since fighting and and probably more so when i was playing football where we had you know pts on staff in the weight room or in the pt room and

Starting point is 01:00:58 i'd go into the training room every day to get work on i didn't even start you know i didn't play much at asu but i still utilize the trainers all the time. Not just for body work and things like that, but to fix imbalances. And one thing that's been funny to me is people notice, like you know this, because you're a cuck,

Starting point is 01:01:17 a body worker. You're a cuck. You know this. You know about this stuff. One cuck to another. Let's be real. My left trap sits higher than my right. My left shoulder sits higher than my right.

Starting point is 01:01:31 My right rectus spin eye, that big fucking back strap, is probably twice the size of my left. My right glute doesn't fire. My right foot sits at a duck angle 45 degrees compared to my left foot straight. Hip mobility is... Everything is... is it asymmetrical yeah of course yeah it's one-sided right well as it turns out that if i'm just standing is my fight stance so so for eight years or 10 years i was in this stance and due to the realness of fucking getting hit in the face, my body started to map that as a stance of security. Right. And my muscle started to change because of that.

Starting point is 01:02:15 And it's actually held that pattern to this day, even though I haven't fought in eight years or seven years, at least not full time. I've had a couple of one-offs with our boy Jason Ellis, but nothing consistent. No, not even striking consistently, yet I'm in my fight stance. And I don't stand, you know, like fucking Saget in Street Fighter II. I'm just, that's my patterning, right?

Starting point is 01:02:38 And so I'm finally getting that worked on and fixing imbalances. I mean, there's no reason for this when i was at i remember welcoming exos into on it and helping with them design supplements and do different things with them and i never utilized them and now i'm like why did i fucking wait this long but all that to say in working with them and fixing imbalances like there it has a different feel to the waking state to to the embodied cognition. Well, feeling home in your body.

Starting point is 01:03:07 Who feels home in their body? Do you feel home in your body? I do now. For a long time, I didn't. That's where the alcohol and cocaine came in. How often do you feel home in your body? This is an interesting question to ask. Again, more of maybe a cuck question to ask,

Starting point is 01:03:22 but cuck questions. Cuck questions. That's the next solo cast. Taking a cuck question to ask. Cuck questions. Cuck questions. That's the next solo cast. Taking on cuck questions. That always comes up on a Q&A for my wife and I. There's at least one or two cuck questions. But that's real shit.

Starting point is 01:03:39 Imagine living in a house. I write about this, I think, same analogy in my book. Have it like going into a house and not feeling home there. Like you're a guest in somebody else's house. And you don't want to, okay, make sure everything's organized because you don't want to, oh, don't leave a spoon there. It's almost like you have to tiptoe around the house, which is a thing. Some kids literally tiptoe around their place.

Starting point is 01:04:05 Have you ever seen that before? The bear i'll beat him he what no okay no but that's a real there's a mix yeah it's a real thing it's like a stage people go through it's probably gonna name like tiptoeing yeah and i mean i think you know think of it which what you wish but i would think there's something to that i'm just not really feeling like safe secure grounded comfortable you know not having that masculine sensation of support but so drawing out that metaphor of that sensation that you feel when you're not at home and in a in what ideally would be like your your home base your anchor of support um how does that feel in your body? Well, it feels a little bit contracted. It feels a little bit, you know, you just can't like, oh, just rest, throw your pants off and just fucking do whatever. Like, oh, here you're home. It's cool, man. Whatever you want to express, express it.

Starting point is 01:04:55 You're good. You're home. You know, so having that sensation, it's like, wow, like what a beautiful thing. It opens up to creativity and it opens up to expansion and just feeling like more of yourself. So now draw that same sensation that a person would have in a physical brick and mortar home. How is that in your physical body? So the sensation of feeling just always twisted and contorted and that static sensation, know maybe your mind just keeps on racing even though your your body is completely drained that's that's not tired and wired tired and wired yeah that's not a sensation of oh man oh you know so to to live a life like that i mean it's just to me it's just wild that uh how many i mean i i experienced i think with anything it's just wild how many. I mean, I experienced that.

Starting point is 01:05:45 I think with anything, it's like enlightenment. It's like a fleeting, you know, yeah, cool, you were enlightened for 15 seconds two weeks ago. Like, you know, and now we're back in the process of coming back. But I think of that home sensation in the body. To me, it's worthwhile to invest in creating the spaciousness to feel home in the body. And there's a lot of tools to get there. Absolutely. But the general idea is, my question to you is, do you feel home in your body?

Starting point is 01:06:17 Yeah. I mean, not right this second per se due to this couch. I'm going to blame something other than myself. It's probably not about the couch. Probably not. It is digging into my back, but there is a visceral understanding in plant medicines that I received multiple times,

Starting point is 01:06:38 likely because I needed to hear it more than once, but wherever I'm at, I'm home. Wherever I'm at in the universe, I'm home. Yeah. To really feel into that is a special feeling, you know? And here in Costa Rica, without my family, who I miss dearly, I feel fucking home, you know? I do feel home by the beach, by the Pacific.

Starting point is 01:06:58 I'll always have like a, all the shit I talk about California, it's always going to be my home, you know? But coming out here first thing this morning up at six, cause I'm still, uh, quantumly entangled with bear. I'm about no matter what, when the sun comes up,

Starting point is 01:07:15 I just went skinny dipping in the pool. Well, we're in a house with a lot of women and other people and I know everybody, but yeah, I'm still like, Oh, well, somebody walks out and it's like no I'm

Starting point is 01:07:26 fucking home I'm not getting there naked you know people walk on the beach and you know see a big dude with a average to below average size penis getting in the pool that's part and parcel of their Costa Rican experience you know like I'm home so I'm gonna

Starting point is 01:07:41 embody that I'm gonna say yes to that and there's little acts like that. That's the opposite of the OCD. Where's my spoon go? I have to make my own bed, even though there's a maid here to make it. And yes, I know this sounds quite privileged. We have fucking maids here,

Starting point is 01:07:55 but you know, the... A lot of that's just a sensation of being out of control, I think. Yes. Yeah. Wanting to control every aspect of the environment yeah when you feel out of control you'll try to micromanage all the little things and it seems on the outside again it's it's it's an illusion it's very it's like whatever you think

Starting point is 01:08:12 think the opposite yeah so when a person is so organized and they've rolled up all their shirts and they have everything delineated this guy's dialed in wow he's dialed in he might be a wreck inside yeah or not he might just enjoy you know rolling up his stuff and keep it organized that He's dialed in. Wow, he's dialed in. He might be a wreck inside. Yeah. Or not. He might just enjoy, you know, rolling up his stuff and keep it organized. That may, oddly enough, be their peace and harmony as in the act of doing that. That might be their meditation and action. Yeah. You know?

Starting point is 01:08:35 Yeah. But there are choices we can make that are however small, like derobing every last article of clothing and getting in a pool and not worrying about, sorry, I just slapped the microphone, not worrying about what other people think of that. You know, like, can I not care what people think of my penis size? And even though I have a wife and never need to worry about that, like, can I, can I actually just discard any thought of what other would view me as in anything in life. It doesn't mean like fucking go through life like a bull in a China shop.

Starting point is 01:09:14 Of course, I want to be cognizant of my environment, human or otherwise. But at the same time, can I just say, can I make a decision or a choice that brings me into more freedom, that brings me into more openness, that brings me into more allowing and surrender and just be like, yeah, let's do that and see how that feels. Yeah. You know, it was, it was exceptional. So I have an invitation for people to skinny dip more often, but it is exceptional. And it's, it grants the permission for someone else to relax.

Starting point is 01:09:47 Yeah. It's like we're always attuning to each other's rules about how to conduct ourselves. More Ram Dass said, I'll pretend to think you are who you think you are if you pretend to think I am who I think I am. Yeah, he talks about me getting, giving me nobody.

Starting point is 01:10:07 Yeah. It's cold, dude. That's what we're doing. That is exactly what we're doing. That's what we're doing. You're like, okay, cool. You're Kyle, ex-UFC, all the things. I'm Aaron Cuck, below average.

Starting point is 01:10:23 I'm a professor now. They asked me right when I came to the country, what's your job? And I'm a professor. And what's great. Hello, Aubrey Marcus. Aubrey Marcus! Look at them fucking short shorts.

Starting point is 01:10:33 You got to step in front of the camera just for the YouTubers. Come on, buddy. He's throwing kicks again. Look out for that high kick. Get them kicks in. Come on, you got to bring it in here. You got to get in here.

Starting point is 01:10:43 Powerful windmill. Those are fucking great shorts little cameo Aubrey ain't no cuck those kicks totally threw me off not with shorts like that if there was one man called cuck more than me

Starting point is 01:10:57 I'm looking at him yep I gotta give credit credit to the champion where were were we i don't know we weren't on cucks we're defining uh safety in the nose ramdas let's check this yeah ramdas i'll pretend you are who you think you are if you pretend i oh yeah giving people the allowance to rest and to being themselves. So by you being willing to be open to the judgment, while also, I think, respecting the rules of culture, but respectfully pushing the boundaries, I think is really important.

Starting point is 01:11:38 Because if you don't respectfully push the boundaries, the boundaries will eventually suffocate you. So I think there's this natural, it's like the tongue naturally acts as a retainer to push open the upper palate and keep spaciousness in the mouth. That's one of the reasons that nose breathing is really valuable, especially as a young person, but always. There's also nitrous oxide, nitric oxide, and structural, well, that is the structural conversation but that tongue acts as a retainer because there's continually this this inward force coming in and so if you don't have that retainer continually pushing out creating that equilibrium and balance then the

Starting point is 01:12:20 face collapses in on itself polarity in the mouth hole clarity in the mouth hole yeah i'm all about orifice polarity yeah yeah we should do a whole podcast on that the but hold on so within that so it's it's so it's it's it's stepping into okay what's what's the the cultural cultural boundaries that this you know the zeitgeist the the collective is has has all agreed upon and say okay cool i i feel that you know it's the boundary has all agreed upon and say, okay, cool. I feel that. That's the boundary of the face. And then from here, how do I lean into that

Starting point is 01:12:52 just enough, but not too much to blow out the chin? Because I don't need to be too aggressive with it. But in situations like that, we're in a pretty open place. So taking off your undies and going for a swim, it's leaning, but it's not like blowing it out of the water where we're like, oh my God, it has the reverse effect. And so it gives other people around the opportunity to say, oh, wow, I can do my version of that.

Starting point is 01:13:27 And then I think the more that we start living in that way, the freer we all feel. And then ultimately what that leads to the collective body is to be able to start to relax and ease and drop the chronic contraction that eventually leads to disease. Because if you damn, that blockage is what eventually leads to build up and toxicity and disease of whatever form. And so if you're chronically living in a state of contraction, then you're presenting the opportunity for discomfort, toxicity to build up. And so just by you being like, you don't need to be a physical therapist or a massage therapist or a naturopathic doctor or something to be in the support of cultural health and wellbeing. You just living a more free lifestyle without smashing the boundaries. You just leaning smashing the boundaries. You're just leaning against the boundaries respectfully, but enough to create change and the open invitation for other people to relax into themselves.

Starting point is 01:14:34 You're literally a doctor. Doctor means teacher, but you're literally, you're providing medicine to the collective in that. Yeah, I feel medicine when I see people with their masks off, just in that conversation of permission. Yeah. Big time medicine with that.

Starting point is 01:14:55 Yeah, that's a rabbit hole in and of itself. We don't need to hash. It's been hashed a hundred times, at least on my podcast. I don't mind the mask. I know that's probably... Something I've told people from the jump before this really got wacky

Starting point is 01:15:12 was the fact that if people are in a state of fear, I'm not going to teach some guy at a grocery store there's nothing to be afraid of. If it puts him into a greater state of fear, likely that will, not likely, that will cause an immune response within them

Starting point is 01:15:29 if they're living in fear that I don't need to add to. And I'm not going to change that guy's mind by like, you listen to the podcast Dr. Rashid Batar did on London Real or listen to fucking Dale Bigtree on my podcast or listen to The High Wire

Starting point is 01:15:42 or listen to X, Y, and Z, Zach Bush, whatever the fucking there there's a plethora of information it's so impossible to parse out truth right now but i'm not but i'm not gonna but but what resonates what do you mean it's it's it's truth exists truth but it's very very challenging to parse out what really is true because my my mind on what truth is today historically has shifted you know know, tomorrow, a week, a month, like things that I really held on to be true. Historically, I've been like, oh, I was not correct. My intuition was off on that. I was all in. I pushed the chips on this thing and I was incorrect. And so with this,

Starting point is 01:16:18 I'm leaning into, in my own truth, I agree with what you're saying for myself and for the people around me. But for the collective truth, I feel like I just don't know enough about the conversation to inform other people with my belligerent ideas. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel confident in what I'm saying. And I don't mean that egoically. I mean that from the people that I've had conversations with and the knowing I've received from nature itself. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:45 And I can stand behind that. I can also stand behind the fact that, mark my words, I'm not dying from a fucking virus. Plain and simple. I'm not going out like that when I'm 80. I'm not going out like that now. I'm not going to die of diabetes. I'm not going to die of obesity. I'm not going to die of Alzheimer's.

Starting point is 01:17:06 I'll say it now and speak it into existence. That's not the way I fucking go out. Why do we knock on wood? I don't know. What is that? I don't know. Why would that? Did I say knock on wood?

Starting point is 01:17:18 No. Okay. I'm just thinking in my mind, I'm like, I'm knocking on wood. Yeah. No, I don't need to knock on wood for that. You know, I really don't. I really don't. And I've thrown that out there, you know, in the past, there is no knock on wood for that. I really don't. I've thrown that out there.

Starting point is 01:17:26 In the past, there is no knock on wood with that. I know it. And that's not a false sense of security. But that's my experience. It's not everyone's experience. I understand that. At the same time, I would rather live and die on my feet than live longer to a later age on my knees.

Starting point is 01:17:50 Yeah. And that's one lens in which we can view the world right now. I think what I'm learning in the whole thing is that, more Ram Dass. People are... My reaction to other people's reaction is it's none of their business. Like, I'm... He describes people

Starting point is 01:18:14 as just trees. If you'd walk through a forest and a tree grows in a funny way or, you know, whatever. You're like, look at this fucked up tree. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:18:21 I can't believe it. That's not how a tree grows. Like, oh, it kills me. Oh, this poor bastard. He tree. Oh my God. Oh, I can't believe it. That's not how a tree grows. Like, oh, it kills me. Yeah. Oh, this poor bastard. He didn't get enough sunlight. Yeah, whatever. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:30 You're just like, oh yeah, cool. Like, whatever. Cool, a tree, you know? And you can appreciate the beauty of it because you don't personify and identify with, oh, that's going against creating friction of my belief structures. You see a tree, it's all misshapen, strange, whatever it is. You're just like, wow, cool. It's like art.

Starting point is 01:18:51 And so that's been my experience just to, I think, create a little bit of ease throughout all of the politics. Allow me to play devil's advocate. You do a good job of this for me. So I want to do this for you. Yeah. Imagine if you walked through a forest and a tree told you you needed to change your posture yeah and then they made it law that you change your posture to hunch over and tree differently well so that that would be when it becomes more problematic and so that's that's

Starting point is 01:19:20 that's exactly what we're looking what i'm what I'm saying with the mask thing specifically is it doesn't bother me in the slightest if the whole world wears masks for the rest of their lives. If that's what they really desire, it makes them feel good and whole and safe because they're just a bunch of trees. But once the trees start telling me that I need to do a thing because they know my body better than my body, that's where I do step in. Correct. And this is great because this is a conversation on sovereignty. Yeah. And oddly enough, the mask conversation is the vaccine conversation. It's the travel passport conversation.

Starting point is 01:19:52 It's all interwoven. And what we acquiesce to now determines potentially what we acquiesce to later. And say what you want about David Icke. One of the things he said, you look to the east if you want to see the future of the West. I don't know if we end up in a social credit system, but flying here to Costa Rica, facial recognition is already in the airports. Passports will change. You go through TSA and it says coming up in this year, we're going to require updated smart driver's license or passports. Well, nobody's getting implanted with the chip yet, but your fucking ID sure as hell are going to have chips.

Starting point is 01:20:30 All of these things are being put into place. It's not 30 years from now. We're right here. And that's the thing to be conscientious of and at least have as a part of the conversation. Because at this point of the game, there are trees saying you need to tree differently. And if we are to remain sovereign and to live and let live and to give each other, you know, David E. Martin was back on the podcast on my last episode. And he talked about one of the oldest laws from the Persian Empire included tolerance. And Thomas Jefferson, who was sworn in on the Koran, who helped write the Constitution of the United States, included a piece of that because it was that good from an ancient culture.

Starting point is 01:21:20 We need to take a piece of this. But tolerance didn't mean like, yeah, I'll put up with this person and their beliefs. Like, all right, fine. You want to do this? You want to do that? I'll tolerate it. Tolerance in their culture meant to know their language, eat their food, know their culture, dance their dance, know everything about them. And that was tolerance. It went beyond putting up with someone or saying, yeah, it's not how I want to live. But I mean, it didn't mean becoming them. That's different. You still hold your own. But at the same point, it meant a deeper level of granting access to

Starting point is 01:21:59 sovereignty for other people that went beyond freedom of religion. And we are seeing that being taken away right now. And it's worth mentioning again and again and again until people fucking understand like there are freedoms being taken away that may not come back. You know, Patriot Act goes in, doesn't get taken away. Like when people get wise and they're like, wise and like wmds weren't there and this is you know x y and z didn't happen and who knows what fucking what was the cause of 9-11

Starting point is 01:22:31 that's here to stay you know so what we say yes to now that may be the new norm that 30 years from now we say why the fuck did we say yes to that? Sure. So it's just something to be mindful of, you know, really, because I'm going down swinging before I have somebody put an injection in me or my kids for that matter, especially my kids. I'm going down swinging before somebody makes it a rule where my kid gets to choose its sex at five years old. I can stand by that confidently.

Starting point is 01:23:07 Yeah. I wonder, for me, I think it's like the, it's kind of hard for me personally to know at what point I do draw a line in the sand and speak up and step up and, you know, feel impassioned about a topic. And at what point do I... Have kids, Aaron. Yeah, maybe that's the thing.

Starting point is 01:23:35 Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's it. Thousand percent. Right. So how has having kids affected you in relation to these conversations? Because it's not just me that I think about in every aspect. It's really easy to, especially when we get in the airy-fairy language, new age, spirituality, whatever, to be like, what kind of world will we leave behind seven generations from now? What will the upcoming generations inherit from what we leave for them?

Starting point is 01:24:12 Not like a, this was my bank account. I left my kids or any of that kind of shit, but like, how many trees are going to be? How many, look, there's a lot of trees. I'm not saying there isn't, but which animals will be here? What kind of fish will be in the ocean? All of those things are kind of abstract, but it gets really granular when you have kids because it's not a off in the distance question. It's not a down the road. You don't get to kick it down the road.

Starting point is 01:24:45 You get to see what's happening right now and forget any of the potentials of what the future holds. Look no further than what's happening right now in public schools. Think about that. Think about having to check in. Think about medicalizing school. Think about getting your fucking face zapped with some kind of temperature thing. Oh, yeah, there's no, what are you gonna say, there's EMFs and a temperature gauge? Like, I'm not saying that. Just think of what becomes routine standard, like livestock getting fucking shipped in for your school experience. And you understand this better than anyone, perhaps, about facial recognition and body language. What it would be like to spend your entire upbringing where you're a fucking sponge, not being able to see someone's face. That's right now. That's not 10 months from now, 10 years from now.

Starting point is 01:25:40 That's right now. And it's not my son's experience. And there is privilege in that because I live in Texas and because I'm connected to the people I'm connected to. And because he's never been in a school that required masks and he fucking never will. I'm going to make sure of that. That's not the majority, the vast majority of the people on this planet's experience. And I think a part of this conversation is to illuminate like you can through your understanding of what's important, what's really important to you for your kids to cultivate that with community.

Starting point is 01:26:14 Yeah. And no one's going to solve it for you. There's no fucking, you know, daddy in the sky as Paul check calls it all the way down to government. There's no one that's going to do it for you. You got to find your tribe and do it for you you got to find your tribe and do it together i think with things like that it's for me like a lot of things

Starting point is 01:26:31 it's it's hard to know a part of not digging one's feet in the ground and saying this is where i stand is not it's easier just to go with the flow and it's hard to find footing if your intuition goes against that, especially when you don't have like minded community around you, you know, in my opinion and all of like the politicized things happening now, I'm kind of like, again,

Starting point is 01:26:57 I don't, I don't think my opinion carries enough weight for me to express it in this, in this conversation. Um, but that is an interesting thing in general is finding a footing where there is no real ground. It's like if you do feel those ways, how does a person even start to make a change? It comes back to know thyself. What is worth it for me? What is worth it for my family?

Starting point is 01:27:25 What is it for my community? Am I living in the right place? I've spoken about this many times that for whatever reason, how it's panned out politically and from the coasts through the center of the country or just ideologically, there has been more of a push for these things from the left than the right there has been more um and perhaps because of population density in new york and la just a different vibe in those cities and even within texas you look at austin uh in comparison to the rest of the state or the major cities, which are now pretty liberal. Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, for sure the most. Much tighter restrictions than the rest of the state when it comes to this stuff.

Starting point is 01:28:19 That's not me saying I'm a Republican now or I'm fucking standing with this team or whatever identity thing that i want to do go team red whatever that is it's no man fucking i don't know many um i voted for bernie sanders in 2016 you know and and and see through that now but that was where i was at and i in the primary we got a little lizard medicine behind us. Oh man. That's pretty proper. It's out of shot now. Coming back up the tree. We got the unicorn floating in the pool. Here we go. Check him out. He's coming back in. This is worth looking at.

Starting point is 01:28:53 That's a big old. Yeah that's a pretty guy right there. Yeah I was terrified of those guys just like three days ago. Now I realize you can pick them up by the tail and they're actually quite docile creatures. Pretty cool. Yeah. What I was getting to is that like i i very much i'm liberal in many ways i'm very much conservative in at least a few ways um i'm all the things yeah not just oh i'm centrist no i have some left views some right views in between like most people do uh and i don't identify on a team one way or the other how it's played out or you could just look at it like

Starting point is 01:29:32 a location standpoint um there are some differences between the coasts you know and uh the other parts of the country and you may find that it's necessary to relocate. You may find that, or look, if you, and the same as opposite is true, right? If you're like,

Starting point is 01:29:51 man, fuck what Kingsbury is saying. Like I trust my doctor. I trust the science. Yeah. Then maybe Texas isn't the spot or moving to Austin is, or moving to California is, and there's a lot of homes available now.

Starting point is 01:30:02 And that's what, that's what makes the United States a really cool place. Like that's the foundation. It continues that way. available now and that's what that's what makes the united states a really cool place like that's the foundation that way right and that's that's that's all i'm getting to is like if we all decide hey this part of the country wants to live this way this part of the country wants to live another way there doesn't need to be a splitting of the country you can just be like we're going to do our thing you do your thing yeah you know if you want to vaccinate and the vaccine works by all means go for it i'm not saying don't do it if you fucking believe in it what i'm saying is i'm not going to do it and this is why yeah i support that 100 and don't fucking tell me that i have to do it for my kids

Starting point is 01:30:36 i don't don't tell me that if i don't do it for my kids that a 90 year old dies in pakistan it doesn't work that way yeah it doesn't you know so like there there's that's that's the stickiness of it and it and it should be hey if you like and i mentioned this before and i'll quit the ramble but my first time going to kentucky we were out in the sticks i was working with um some former special forces green beret marine recon and i was the guy working combatives for potentially what would be upcoming courses. And they put me through the gauntlet on carbine, pistol, all sorts of cool shit. We fired like 10,000 rounds.

Starting point is 01:31:10 And I taught them some of the basics. I mean, they already knew the basics, but some of the combative stuff that I was there. One thing I noticed when we were in town is they had dry counties. And I was like, this is the dumbest. This is 2012. I was like, this is maybe 2013. I was like this is the dumbest this is 2012 i was like this is maybe 2013 i was like this is really how backwards is the south that you can go to a county and they have no alcohol for sale no alcohol for consumption you get in trouble for having alcohol i was like this is prohibition

Starting point is 01:31:38 this is fucking nonsense and now it's the greatest thing i've ever heard of. You can live in a county where everyone agrees, or at least the majority agrees, they're not going to drink there. If they want to, they got to leave the county to do so. Like, hey, this shit, as it turns out, is the worst drug on the planet. We don't want it here. And if you do want it, you move to a wet county. And if enough people move there that want to change that they can vote it dry or vice versa you know like like to allow those counties and to not have one county going to all the rest saying no no no no no we all need to be dry right yeah like let's allow that local governance to take uh center stage to decentralize and to re-centralize locally you know to find that where where people can find

Starting point is 01:32:27 harmony in their differences yeah and go about the way of life that they so choose yeah yeah and seeing like another thing i think is is valuable is not having the idea that people are evil or bad or stupid or any of those things. I personally think that everyone is doing the best they can with the information that they have. And if someone is choosing a certain thing, it's not just, oh, they are a bad person, you know, that are a product of their environmental conditions and the teachers they've had and, you know, all their experiences and they're doing the teachers they've had and, you know, the, all their experiences and they're doing the best that they can with what they have.

Starting point is 01:33:08 And so being able to perceive that person, not as other, but perceive them as, as, as, you know, inherently a good person doing, doing,

Starting point is 01:33:19 doing their, doing their best. They're doing, they're doing their best. He's doing his good work through his eyes. I don't think he views himself as a nefarious evil villain. But the value in that, I think, is that if I project that other villain idea onto you, I am a part of the problem of perpetuating separation. And now you will reflect that back to me. And now

Starting point is 01:33:46 I'm inherently other because I've othered you. Yeah. You know, and so I really love in a conversation like this, which I typically just completely avoid in a public way, because again, I don't think that my opinion should be listened to in this, in this conversation, maybe, you know, around close friends and whatnot, but in like any kind of public forum, I'm like, I'm not the guy. But the part that I really appreciate is if you are pro this or whatever, great. Just don't tread on me. And that's the part that I think is so freaking beautiful

Starting point is 01:34:21 about the United States historically. And hopefully it stays that way. And that's something that I would fight for. Yeah, brother. Is you having your opinion that is absolutely diametrically opposed to mine. I love that so much. And we share a lot of opinions, but in general, when someone has a completely different opinion than me, I'm like, oh, like how refreshing because it'd be such a gray banal world to live in where everyone's just like oh yeah totally dude absolutely a bunch of fucking yes men around you would be drive you nuts and having that conflict that that polarity

Starting point is 01:34:56 is what allows a person to understand what they think you know having those challenges and those nudges it's literally like it's like sharpening your blade someone says no no no you're nuts you're like oh wait hold am i nuts oh i gotta i gotta check in yeah you know so i just it's a different people on both sides of of the the political landscape or whatever i'm like i'm like thank you yeah and please you know don't infringe on my right to follow my own intuition with my own biology. That's not impeding or affecting other people. Right. That's a conversation that Terrence McKenna brought up around plant medicine. Certainly.

Starting point is 01:35:38 You know, no doubt. No doubt. Should we wrap this piece up? yeah we certainly can what time is it? 11 o'clock we've done it dude

Starting point is 01:35:49 yeah I think we wrap it up because I want to go surf still okay and I I I feel like I feel complete

Starting point is 01:35:59 I feel like I'm going to jump in the ocean we didn't sleep enough last night we didn't we went and did. We had music till we were out until midnight. I think it was 11. That's so late for me.

Starting point is 01:36:11 Yeah, we were up until I went to bed at 1.30 and I'm in bed at 8.30. I'm a real old man. You're an older man than I am. I'm in bed at 8.30. I might listen to to audible for 30 minutes with no lights or read with the red light and i'm up at 5 30 to meditate the occasional bout of sleeplessness or a shit night's sleep has actually been shown from what i've read to be uh cause a boost in growth hormone it's kind of like we woke up shredded like a hermetic stressor yeah and hard as a rock that was hard as a rock that's another great indicator of health uh-huh you want to wake up with a hard on something

Starting point is 01:36:51 check said in the in the painting workshop i'll leave us with is libido is not just um your sex drive it is life force energy absolutely man life force that's why you sit by in like libido supplements i'm'm like, oh, you mean sunlight. That's like a boner pill. You'd be laughing. Clean water. Yeah. Those are all boner pills.

Starting point is 01:37:13 We had a lot of laughter last night. That's where we woke up hard. Which that was a good thing, man. To go outside of the boundaries of, okay, I'm in bed by 10, up by 6. I'll do a little sun gazing. I'll have some spring crystal water. Sometimes it's like last night, we were in the kitchen, the four of us,

Starting point is 01:37:31 and just rolling laughing. And you were hilarious. Thank you. I'm trying to keep up. I'm not funny in that traditional sense as much. You are, brother. You are. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:37:43 But it was, to me like that moment was just another example of of um having the flexibility and adaptability to um be able to be open to moments like that because if you have too much containment and too much linearity and too much masculine maybe or whatever too much structure it becomes suffocating you need to push the boundaries even in the confines of your own rules and regulations for how you live your life i think maybe or whatever, too much structure, it becomes suffocating. You need to push the boundaries, even in the confines of your own rules and regulations for how you live your life, I think. And last night was an interesting example of that. Absolutely. And an invitation for those who have kept away from others. We don't live together.

Starting point is 01:38:16 Last night was possible because we said yes to being around each other. Yeah. You know, what a funny lens to view it through. It seems about time to do that. Yeah, absolutely. I fucking love you, brother. funny, it seems about, it seems about time to, to do that. Yeah, absolutely. That's my, I fucking love you,

Starting point is 01:38:27 brother. I love you. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I appreciate us as being willing to, to push each other. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:36 I appreciate you willing to be open to my continual devil's advocate for most things we talk about. You sharpen my sword and I don't mean that sexually i know you're thinking it on the podcast all right so line podcast a live podcast yeah i'll put this out this week as well the aligned method line podcast yeah people instagrammers are just going to instagram a line podcast on instagram that's the place uh people on your side people they probably appreciate the bruce lipton'd be a great starting point. You know, Chris Lipton, biology belief.

Starting point is 01:39:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had him on and actually it was with this recorder and it fucking failed. It was brutal. I was so disheartened. Got to reach back out to him. But I got to meet him at his house in Boulder Creek. Yeah, I went up to his place. He's phenomenal.

Starting point is 01:39:20 He was right down the street from my dad. No way. Yeah, same with Bruce Dahmer. Interesting. It's like you live with some fucking awesome people oh yeah uh anywho though uh align podcast for my listeners call kingsbury podcast for your listeners if you want to dive into more living with the kingsbury's just link to it in the show notes that's my wife and i's joint channel on the on the gram uh if you're interested in fit for service my listeners listeners and yours, we just launched the Fit for Service Academy app. First month's free.

Starting point is 01:39:48 Check it out. No contracts, no nothing. Just see if it's your vibe. People are looking for community right now, a different way to learn. We're going to be featuring great guests outside of the standard coaches of me, Aubrey, Godsey, and Caitlin. And I know we want to do some stuff with you on there, get some content up. So anytime we're in the presence of an expert in any field, want to be able to share that medicine with our tribe. And we've got some really cool things up there, aesthetic dance, breath work, guided, all that kind of good stuff and ongoing conversations.

Starting point is 01:40:18 That's my plug. Yeah. I should probably comment. Most of the things we talked about today isn't really in the realms of the stuff that I talked about on my platform. Most of the things we talked about today isn't really in the realms of the stuff that I talk about on my platform. Most of the stuff that I talk about is for people that want their bodies to work better. If you've got back pain or shoulder impingement or neck pain or whatever, we create resources and tangible bite-size bits

Starting point is 01:40:41 that you're able to actually digest and understand. People know you on my podcast. There's nobody that, like I know you had said that when you reached out like who should i podcast was at austin 10 people say check out kingsbury yeah i love that everybody knows that i know you from my podcast oh that's good yeah you're a regular brother okay good all right i love you i love you all goodbye Thank you. Bye.

Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #195 Aaron Alexander

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