Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #202 Erick Godsey

Episode Date: June 8, 2021

I’m not even going to number the amount of times Godsey’s on, as we state, we’re definitely gonna start running these back quarterly at the very least! First things first, go to his site(linked below) and get into his Dharma Journal. In this one though, we dive into some deep waters. We talk felt, non-human encounters, propelling out society to be more in-tune with nature, Game-A and Game-B theory. Hold on to your butts!    THE DHARMA JOURNAL Please please go experience some of Godsey’s genius and further seek your daimon via this incredible journal course. thedharmajournal.com  Connect with Erick:   Website: www.erickgodsey.com  Instagram: @erickgodsey  Facebook: Erick Godsey  Show Notes:   Ice Age Farmer iceagefarmer.com  YouTube  Sponsors:   Sovereignty Head to https://sovereignty.co/kyle/ to grab my favorite CBG/ Nootropics. There is nothing like this product for energy and cognitive function! Follow the link and use the codeword “KKP” for 20% off. Organifi Go to organifi.com/kkp for some Green Juice, it’s my favorite way to easily get the most potent blend of high vibration fruits, veggies and other goodies into your diet! Click that link and use code “KKP” at checkout for 20% off your order! Biohm Health Find out the Micro/Micobiome of your gut by going to guttesting.com/  and use code KKP for 20% your test. Connect with Kyle:   Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com  Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Welcome to today's show. We have the return of one of my best friends, Eric Godsey. Eric is the host of the Myths That Make Us podcast. He is becoming a regular on this show. We dive into, I think he refers to them as philosophers. They are modern day philosophers for sure. But a series of podcasts we've been watching and listening to from Jamie Wheel and Daniel Schmachtenberger, along with one other brilliant mind whose name is escaping me right now. I'm sorry.

I record these intros sometimes long after the fact, and I should just do it right after the episode like Rogan does, but I don't. So Lo Siento, this podcast is phenomenal. We talk about the world at large. We reference game A versus game B in game theory and really dive into Eisenstein's work, The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible. Of course, you've heard me reference that. Hopefully all of you have read that book, but if you have not, don't worry. You're not going to be left out of the conversation. This is super dope.

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Just us. Yeah. So like, I don't know. It seems like a month, but it's probably been longer. And last time you were here, we had the, everything was on the other side. Yeah. It's like a year ago. So we swapped it's a year ago no really i mean i'm gonna guess like nine months well we'll have to look this up now we'll look this up right now there's no way it was a year ago there's no chance i got alien videos playing in the background that's what i was doing to prep

for this podcast aliens i actually haven't shared it anywhere but I had my first experience of something that I couldn't explain with my Jungian model that other people would call aliens we could potentially get into that okay I like this let's get fucking weird

you're going to be not when you released it you were October 27th. We didn't record it. It was when it was released. Six months. Yeah, October 27th, son. All right.

But still a chunk. I mean, you're a quarterly guy. You're not a twice a year guy. You're a quarterly guy. Come on, son. Let's go. All right. And that actually might be,

that story might be an interesting segue into all the things that you and I have been talking about recently. So maybe that's where we start. Let's start. Okay. So for people who don't know me, I have a pretty strong affinity for a Jungian interpretation of the psyche and essentially what that means is that whenever anyone has told me an alien story I do my best to listen but they can feel that I'm not actually listening and that I'm waiting to share my interpretation of the alien experience and my interpretation is always that it's a archetypical manifestation through the unconscious that can feel like a vision

and can sometimes be so real that it feels like it's actually happening, where it's a part of your psyche taking on a form to communicate something to you. And I actually think that a lot of people's experiences are that, but before a month ago, I thought all experiences were like that and i had seen a documentary last year called close encounters of the fifth kind and that was the first i think it

yeah that was the first documentary that i'd ever seen about aliens where it felt like it it fit into my understanding of how things intuitively operate that all other alien documentaries haven't vibed with me. Like, for example, the idea that the aliens would have bodies like ours would have to create ships that are oddly like ours that coincidentally fit the aesthetic of the 50s in the US and that they would operate under the same laws of physics

as we understand them and that they had the same evolutionary process that happened on their planet where they have eyes in the front of their head and they have 10 fingers or eight fingers, that they even have fingers, always felt like the people who came up with these stories don't understand how evolution unfolds and don't understand how the human imagination creates gods and things.

But in Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, one of the things that he talked about was his experience with aliens are that and that's such a misnomer word but that his experiences with this type of consciousness is that they essentially exist outside of space-time and that they're able to like merge into space-time if they feel like there's something intelligent to commune with. And so humans who can get in a certain vibratory state

become like a beacon. They can just phase in and then they transmit something. And I just kind of let it fall off, you know, like cool. That resonates, but I don't know what to do with it. I'm not going to go out into the woods with my friends with laser pointers and camping trip. It's go time. And actually, so here's, what's really interesting. Um,

when we did the fit for service summit in Costa Rica, kind of my big download that felt like the culmination of that entire trimester, which was connecting to the divine feminine, was that the spirit of the psychotherapy that I feel called to bring into the world as my life purpose is not going to be taught to me through books. It's going to be taught to me by plants. It's going to be taught to me by nature. And the big call was like, put down your books, boy. I'm like, get out into nature. And that was the big download for me from that summit. And when we were on the plane home, Vi, Aubrey's wife, was beginning to read a book. And she looked up from the book at me and she was like, Eric, you have got to read this book.

You would resonate with this guy so much. He's like a depth psychologist that uses nature to explain Jungian ideas. And I was like, okay. And I have a stack of probably about 40 books next to my desk and that's my current queue. And so whenever someone recommends me a book, you know, four out of five times, I'm like, yeah, that sounds good. But in my head, I know I'm not going to read that. Like it's not- Fuck off off I don't have time next year to read it and then like sometimes I'll like add it to the queue and almost never do I internally think I'm going to put that at the front of the entire queue and for whatever reason because it was like the third time that I'd heard this man's name his name is Bill Plotkin I was like I could feel I'm going to put that at the front of the queue. I can feel the call

because it resonated with what the download was from the summit. When I get home that night, on my desk is an Amazon package. And I go and I open it. And it's the exact book that she recommended. And I just get a wave of goosebumps. And I remember that the day before the summit, my roommate had mentioned that book and I had bought it on a whim on Amazon. And I remember that the day before the summit, my roommate had mentioned that book and I had bought it on a whim on Amazon and I had forgot that I'd bought it. It was like, interesting. So for the next like four or five days, I just devoured this like 380 page book. I probably read two to six hours a day and I haven't done that since I found Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson. And I have this part of me that is like a wolf

that if I sense that there's like a philosopher or a psychologist that perfectly fits what my life goal is, I devour, I devour it. And I get obsessive and I haven't felt that way in a long time. And honestly, it feels good to feel that way. I finished that book on Friday and that Friday I was going camping

for the first time in like five years. And the camping trip was this like conscious community thing where we were going to take, we were going to do a mushroom ceremony on that saturday out in nature led by a shaman with like 20 people and so i get there i get you know into the camping vibe and i just feel how much i fucking love it like the entire bill plotkin book is just emanating in my mind as I start watching like the intelligent of ants and caterpillars and all sorts of things. And that Saturday morning, there was this

mystical looking pond that was right next to my tent that felt like it was a dream scene. Like the way the landscape was, first the pond was a perfect circle. Like it was a naturally occurring perfect circle. I've never seen a pond like that. And the way the hill or the edge of the pond was, it was like a nine foot hill all the way around it covered in trees. So when you stood at the center of the dock

that kind of went into the middle of the pond from that vantage point you could all you could see was sky and the pond it's like the entire world was gone and it was only this pond and it felt special and i was talking to my friend about how one of the big things that reading this book, it's called The Journey to Soul Initiation, which by the way is revolutionizing my understanding of the psyche. And we can get into that if it comes up. But I was explaining to him essentially how for the first time in my life, I can feel myself slowly begin to dissolve the disassociation I've had since I was born about my disconnection from nature. And that I was just beginning to feel like the profundity of the grief of being a part of a system that is eating nature, devouring her.

And I was saying how like I could feel that I have to reorganize all of my ego goals for the rest of my life because I can no longer pursue anything that doesn't involve trying to help heal nature. And as I said that, hundreds of crickets, the moment I said that sentence, started singing. And my friend looked at me like dude do you realize what just happened and so that felt like a god moment or a nature moment and then so two hours later we started the mushroom ceremony and it was this beautiful uh despacho ritual that we did for like an hour where there were like nine different types of like fruit or candies.

And we all put a prayer into it and we put it into this big piece of paper that was going to be wrapped up and thrown into this huge bonfire that was on the land. And I ended up doing four grams and at the peak of the experience, so we were all laying down looking up at the sky and almost everyone was underneath this tree canopy. And me and my roommate, my friend who was with me at the dock,

we were the two that were just outside of the canopy of the tree so I could see the sky. And it was in the evening. And at the peak of my experience, I saw this light in the sky. And my first thought was, oh, I'm seeing the first star of the night. And here's where it starts to get so fucking interesting. It feels like in response to me having that thought, the light started to move. And the moment it started to move,

my next thought was, oh, this is a mushroom tracer. You know, like this is like a aberration of, you know, being on four grams of mushrooms. And then the moment I said that, it felt like it, in response to me, turned up the dial of its density like it went from being this like kind of like uh transparent light to being this solid light and i thought oh i'm having you know like an archetypical representation of my psyche. It felt like it, like if a wild animal locks eyes with you, kind of that felt sense of now you and it are connected.

It felt like it locked its consciousness with me. And then my felt experience was that it turned up the dial of my mushroom experience and instantly doubled it and i felt myself like go fundamentally deeper into the mushroom experience and then i saw that fractal geometry of the flower of life just embedded in everything and then wrapped around that point of light in the sky, it felt like it was giggly like fucking with me. And I've done the psychedelic experience enough to know like, okay, this is the point where you stop and you just receive. And so it felt like the message was that light was saying to me, you humans don't have to do this alone. And it felt like it was talking about trying to save and heal nature.

You have allies. And the moment it transmitted, you have allies, two more points of light like phased into existence behind it. But the front one felt like it was the one that was talking to me. And then it felt like it conveyed and we can do it playfully. And it does this little twirl. And I'm just completely surrendered to this experience. I'm not trying to interpret it at that point. And I believe that I was like, I accept that this is an intelligence outside of my psyche. And almost in response to me thinking that, the way the light moved is it looked like it moved into the twig of the tree. You know, like a branch of a tree was in between me and it and it felt like it moved into it.

And the moment it did, my psyche was like, oh, that was the spirit of the tree talking to me. Like it still was. And in response to me thinking that, it popped back out. Almost like it was, that it again was like, gotcha, bitch. You know, like,

so it felt like it rebuked me in real time five times as i tried to interpret it as an intelligence that wasn't outside of the human condition and it was at that point where i felt myself like be able to feel i can't connect to how big this is right now, but I know that this is going to change my conception of cosmology. And as it was starting to continue to move, I had this feeling of, wow, I don't feel called to like yell to the people around me, look, alien. Because that felt like that's something that someone who doesn't believe does because they need other people to witness it but the felt sense was if i did they would have seen it like that was how visceral this felt and then like a giggly part of me was

like and also screaming alien while 20 people are doing mushrooms is probably not the right move. And so that was the experience. And I'm still integrating what it means. But what it reminds me of is when I was a materialistic rationalist back when I was like 19 and 20. I had started doing psychedelics, you know, almost every weekend for like three months, but I was still like, you know, this is something that the brain does when you put a chemical into it. It's really cool, but I wasn't nearly as open to there being almost like a transpersonal aspect of each individual that transcends what the ego can know. And I remember I was walking around my neighborhood reading a book. I was the type of insane person where I would go on like two or three hour walks and I would bring a book with me and I would read the book. And I can't imagine what I look like to the people who are in their homes. But I got to this point in this book where there was a quote from a psychologist and he was saying, the way to walk the earth like a prince is to cast

golden apples for other people to eat and for you to finish your apple on your deathbed. And I thought, that's fucking poetic. That's awesome. I look up from my book and the middle of the road in the Texas suburb in summer where there are no apple trees anywhere, there is a single apple in the middle of the road that I just turned on. And it was one of those red and gold apples. And the part that was facing me was all gold. And I had done DMT.

I had done a bunch of mushrooms, a bunch of LSD, and none of those experiences felt like they cracked me. But this apple in the middle of the road on a day that I was completely sober cracked me open to a worldview that I live in effortlessly now. This experience with that point of light felt like that where it felt like i can feel that i don't understand the profundity of this experience but i can feel that it's going to fundamentally transform the way that i view everything and that was about a month ago and um since then a lot of really intense interesting things have unfolded for me personally,

but I want to stop there and just let anything that comes up for you be shared, but that's what happened a month ago, and I haven't shared that story public. That's super dope, dude. I think this started because I told Eric that I was watching an alien video before he came over when he was driving over. And I don't often, let's see, I've watched Bob Lazar, Area 51. That was fantastic. Which fundamentally does operate differently than our current understanding of physics, right?

Element 115 and anti-gravity or the bending of space, that kind of shit. Now they pull themselves to a location rather than pushing against something. That was a really attractive video. I loved them on Rogan's, but I've always been attracted to it. I've had a story similar to that,

but one thing I wanted to bring up was I was very similar to you in thinking that there's no way, like, I thought it was stupid on Star Trek that they were basically a human with a fucking green face, right? Like, come on, you can do better. I really loved the arrival as they had this, this septopod. And I was like, of course, octopus is fucking super intelligent. Dolphins are super intelligent. You know, if they had a mean, like an octopus can fit into any space, it can manipulate things with all of its arms.

Its arms are able to think in and of themselves, independent from the other arms. Fuck yeah, why not? You know, but Paul Cech said something. He had a podcast with a past life regression person who learned from Dolores Cannon learned from Dolores Cannon learned from her main teacher

and she started getting downloads from Dolores Cannon and looked her up and realized she had died that year like super cool shit and you know I've never my wife and I of all the things mystical have had the least experience with past lives I don't remember any I've never, my wife and I, of all the things mystical, have had the least experience with past lives.

I don't remember any, I've had maybe one vision where it felt like a past life, but she had taken Paul through it. You know, he was like, I want to take a deep dive before we talk about this on the podcast. That way I know for certain he had already done past life regression, but he noticed that there was a few where he was on different planets

and he had a very similar body. And he said that was curious to him. And the thing that she said was, if it is useful, nature reuses it, right? So like it is possible that the archetypical form that human beings inhabit is something that's useful and is across the cosmos redone in various ways, right? And it's also possible that potentially if we were looking at a gray or something like that, which of course is more imagination, in my opinion, than fact, that at least that also somebody was thinking clearly there in terms of like mouths are smaller, they probably eat less, they're less defensive, but were originally predators.

Brain grows, they become telepathic, any of these other things where you could say like, maybe that's us just fucking 300,000 years from now. You know, like maybe if we move to a point where there's less this or that and more of one thing or another, we begin to use different parts of our body and then other things are just like, like we lose a tail or something like that if you're going

straight Darwinian. But I would argue that's not the case, you know, hence the, I mean, and either way we get lumped into the semantics of arguing certain points as with anything without really understanding what the common ground is. And I think that both can exist. Are we evolving now? I sure hope so. Evolution is still in its place because God is ever evolving. Is there intelligent design? It's un-fucking-deniable when you experience it for yourself in some of these medicine journeys or altered states of consciousness. Yes, this is intelligently designed, highly intelligently designed. Can the two coexist together? Yes. So it doesn't happen to have to be a Darwinian theory of evolution,

you know, a ticking clock type cosmos versus what we come to understand now and books like the Quantum Revelation that I just finished that I want you to read and And all my guests for sure. I mean, Chuck had me read that along with every one of his students. And Paul Levy's a wizard. I just had him on probably release after this,

but fantastic dude. And like those understandings go more into the spiritual realm than they do into classic physics and things of that nature. But yeah, this stuff, it hypes me up. And I have friends that are like, oh, the disclosure, it hypes me up. And I have friends that are like, oh, the disclosure event's coming and all this. And it's like, well, we'll see. I had a journey out of the Native American reservation back in the day where there was

13 of us, my old boxing coach that used to take us out there. He brought some thugs. How else should I put it? He brought some dudes that grew up hard in Eastside San Jose, neck tattoos, the whole gamut, and wanted to show them a different way of life. So we do the traditional sweat lodge together. Well, all the professional fighters that were there did mushrooms. And because a lot of the guys who grew up hard were recovering addicts of some sort. They didn't have any drugs. They had a sober experience.

But there was 13 of us, five fighters, eight dudes from Eastside. And all 13 of us plus the coach stopped in our tracks after the sweat lodge. I'm on mushrooms. We walk out of this thing, out of the sweat. And we look up in the sky and there's a ball of light and it's moving left. And then it moves right like a pong. And then and it's moving left. And then it moves right, like a pong. And then it moves up 45 degrees. And then it stops and starts moving around again. And like these super odd motions.

And like all of us are dead silent looking at the same thing without words. We just tuned into it immediately. All of our hands are on each other. And we're like, holy shit. And with like the full recognition of what it was, it got huge. And then it went and was gone. So I don't know if that contains, you know, highly intelligent beings. I don't know if that came from a different star system.

I don't know if like Graham Hancock mentioned, you know, it's an interdimensional thing that can come in and out of our reality. Like you mentioned, you know, it's an interdimensional thing that can come in and out of our reality. Like you mentioned, you know, the possibility of maybe this exists outside of space time or in a different form of the all consciousness and can beam into at will to those that are tuned into the experience. I don't know, but it certainly feels like

with regards to whether it be extraterrestrials or a consciousness that is a higher awareness than myself, it certainly feels like it's not just us and then God. It certainly feels like there is in between states of being that we can access that likely, I mean, even if just you look at from a purely ticking time clock linear time fashion, the old statement that if our earth is X billion amount of years old and just a star system that came around into being with a Goldilocks planet a million years before us, is a million years ahead of the game revolution, right? Like that, that, you think about that with what we just, the, the, the curvature that we just hit

in our Ascension technologically, right? With what's been available and we're, we're living right through it. Right. Yes. And all the pros and cons of that. Yeah. Right. All the pros and cons, all the potential evils, all the potential, you know, the,

the, the nanotechnology being used against us and, and all that shit, all of it there, but all of it is still the radical fucking hockey stick up. Yes. Right. A million years from now,

if we're not dead, where is that? Right. Like that, that's potentially what we're looking at when we come into contact with something like that and of course that's what's

funny about like the space force and shit like that it's like could there be nefarious beings that somehow got became technologically advanced yes of course but to make it that far and not kill yourself with when you have weapons that are that big like this is but to make it that far and not kill yourself with, when you have weapons that are that big,

like this is the crux in the road that we're at right now. Right? So this is absolutely where I have been brought next, which feels like it interweaves a bunch of things. But to get to this exact point, I want to kind of lay out what's been unfolding for me is that, so one of the things that you said, that's really interesting is this what feels like a contradiction between there's darwinian evolution and then

there's intelligent design and one of the things that has been um capturing my ego it feels like my daemon is calling me to explore since this experience so the crux of this experience is that your life purpose to create this psychotherapy will be taught to you by nature. So she will take care of that. The daemon is done bringing me there. So it's starting to bring me to something else. And what it's finally brought me to for the first time in my life,

it feels like it's drawing my genius towards trying to understand what is now happening in the world currently. Like for the last 10 years, it's felt like my daemon has told me that what I need to study is essentially the history of the psyche. And so the metaphor that I use is it feels like I've studied deeply the nature of each type of move that chess pieces can make on the chessboard. But I've always wanted to, but have never been genuinely called to learn what is the chessboard now? Where are the pieces now? And what are the strategies that have been played to get the pieces to where they are right now? And it feels like after this experience, my daemon has finally called me to learn that. And what I've been exposed to that I've been chomping on for the last like three weeks,

and I'm still digesting, is essentially there's a group of modern philosophers, and I don't think any of them have written books because they're actively working on this in the moment. But for lack of a better word, they're kind of known as like the existential risk philosophers and they've created this model of trying to understand how we've gotten to where we're at that they call game a and that fundamentally and i'm going to try to weave this thread because it feels like it crosses so many things that you just said, is that the fundamental principle of the universe seems to be what they call the principle of allurement. Things want to come together. And that if that wasn't there, we wouldn't even have an earth.

You know, the fact that subatomic particles want to come together to create atoms, and atoms want to come together to create reactions, and that to stars and that leads to an earth etc and that the fundamental nature of this process of allurement is that two different things come together they interact in such a way where they create what science calls emergence and emergence is essentially the scientific word that you're allowed to use that essentially means magic and what it is is that when certain parts come together if they come together in a interesting way they produce something that none of the individual parts have on their own and that um that's essentially called neg entropy and entropy is when a system

come or when a system starts to break down it has less order neg entropy is when things come together and they create more order and one of the things that they talk about is that's actually the merger of darwinian evolution and intelligent design that it's not random, but it also doesn't need a sentient creator to archetype it. And that the natural process of how things want to unfold is to create more elegant order that creates emergence. And that if you track how that has unfolded, it eventually has created Gaia, like the Earth. And that eventually created carbon-based life forms.

And that carbon-based life forms are fundamentally gene vessels. And genes have evolved to run a certain type of logic. And the term that they use for this is called rivalrous game theory dynamics that the essence of biological life is to basically compete for resource for finite resources in an environment where they're trying to out-compete and deceive the other creatures that are trying to get those same resources as well and that when everything is limited by the slow arc of biological evolution, there's a certain type of homeostasis that works on the planet. And that this weird creature comes along that has thumbs that somehow develops

the ability for abstract thought. And that's us. And the moment we created the ability for abstract thought, we were able to create tools. And the moment we were able to create tools, we, we began to create a new environment that no other animal could access that became an evolutionary pressure on

how we evolved and that's essentially culture and that with culture you know in in the blink of an eye in evolutionary time we were able to become fundamentally the apex predator of every environment on the planet but our genes still run the rivalrous game theory dynamics, which is I'm a separate entity and I'm competing for finite resources and I will use deception and force and power to essentially try to win my finite game. And this perfectly weaves into everything that you were saying, because as soon as you begin to run rivalrous game theory dynamics with exponential technological growth, it equals self-extermination.

And there's a couple of reasons, or there's a couple of really clear examples about why that is. But one example is that if you run rivalrous game theory dynamics on a finite planet, you eventually will destroy the environment by extracting all the resources.

So that's one way that we could self-exterminate. The other is, as soon as there become two to three different power structures that are all racing to create essentially AI weapons that as soon as one person has that

or one entity or one state or one country has that, the ability to end all life on the planet enters play. And that's another way that we could self-exterminate. And that it seems to be that we're at this crux point in our exponential technological growth where we are living, where it's starting to climb almost straight up. And that any culture that evolves beyond this point fundamentally has to change from game A to some new type of way of interrelating and that the idea that any type of culture or civilization could get to the point where they were able to essentially do like interplanetary travel it's almost certain that they're not running game a dynamics and so they wouldn't even have the idea of conquest and destruction and killing.

And the example that they use that's so elegant is game A theory or dynamics is best exemplified by how a cancer cell operates. A cancer cell, its ability to communicate with the other cells in the body breaks down to the point where its belief is it's alone. And because it's alone, it has to maximize short-term gains at the expense of the organism around it. And so it grows faster, it eats more, but eventually it destroys the host. the metaphor that they use to represent what quote-unquote game b would be and we don't know what game b is because it's never existed before is something like a healthy cell and a healthy cell is a great example of this idea of emergence that any individual cell has the genetic capability to live on its own if you put in a petri dish for a certain amount

of time it can self-replicate and grow and grow but if you put enough cells together in an intelligent way they begin to communicate in such a way that creates tissues and then when enough tissues come together it creates organs and when enough organs come together in an intelligent way, it creates a being who is able to become self-aware of the process of evolution coming through it, and that that's the idea of coherence or emergence, that no individual cell has the type of self-aware consciousness that we do, but when enough of them come together it creates this thing and that uh if we are going to have a civilization that our grandchildren's grandchildren will be

alive for their belief is we have to fundamentally move from a game a to a game b and this perfectly fits into what you were saying which is that the idea that any type of one million years beyond a civilization that didn't self-destroy itself would operate under game a principles um seems like a handicap of our current imagination about how a civilization would operate and like one of the things that's interesting to feel into for me is it's like one of the things that most conspiracy theories give the ego that actually feels good is it's like this is something worth dedicating my life to like it's such a big problem that especially for men who kind of have that like heroic warrior archetype and they want to go fight for a cause that conspiracy theories and that's such a shitty word but that these alternate theories for the way the

culture is unfolding is alluring but for me my intuition has always felt like most of the stories i've heard feels like there's a little bit of truth in them but that the conclusions that the people who talk about these stories have gotten to it feels like very poorly written comic books that are meant for teenagers like this idea of there's this like cabal of evil people. That feed on the fear of children. And then eat them. And then it makes them somehow super powerful and strong. They're able to organize everything.

This is the first. Alternate story. Of civilization. That feels like it. Is sober. Quote unquote. They haven't come to conclusions. it's this open-ended process and it feels like it adequately takes in all of the amazing things that we have actually found through the scientific method that seem to hold up to skepticism and confirmation bias. And it feels like this is my quote unquote conspiracy theory, even though that's the wrong word, that feels like is orienting me in such a

way where I can no longer play a game of life where it's like, I'm just going to get my own. I'm going to crush it. And I want to have a healthy family. It feels like if I want to actually be a steward for my children and my children's children, I now feel like I at least have been brought to what feels like the big problem. Yeah, that's a lot. Thanks for jumping in on that. To be clear, we've discussed many conspiracies on this podcast that I don't believe are theory anymore, particularly with pandemic indoctrination. At the same time, there can always be a need to take something further.

You know, I'm buddies with Tim Kennedy and something he's talked about at a sheepdog responses are the amount of women that have survived as sex traffic workers, you know, that then take his courses. Aubrey, our brother Aubrey had, I think it was a Navy SEAL on his podcast who had, you know, had gone to Haiti and different places where it's rampant, you know,

and he's on a mission to free people from these experiences. Entire books have been written about this stuff. I don't know. I don't have experience, direct experience with that. I don't have direct experience with luciferic, satanic demonstrations and things of that nature. It does seem a little bit like the comic book stuff you're mentioning.

The issue I just want to say though is that it's not a conspiracy that sex trafficking is happening. If you add a little mustard to it, that's maybe the stretch that is or is not happening. Exactly. That I cannot confirm or deny.

Something I've said many times on this podcast is I don't have a problem with David Icke talking about reptilians and all this other weird shit that I don't think anybody could confirm or deny. I have a problem with what he's been right about. That's what I have a problem with. You know what I'm saying?

So it's not, you know, I can't read one of his books and be like, hey, yeah, 100%. No, there's a lot of stuff that I can't tell one of his books and be like, Hey, yeah, a hundred percent. No, there's a lot of stuff that I can't tell, uh, if it's spot on or not. And there's a lot of stuff that has been predicted from him. And that is coming to fruition right now. That is more hair raising than the stuff I cannot confirm. Right. Um, so, you know, I just did a, a live for the folks on the fit for service academy app which is out now plug plug plug fit for service academy app try it for a first month for free get them downloaded on itunes and apple play and everywhere else you get uh live sessions with me my boy hurt godsey

caitlin howe and aubrey marcus as well as many other awesome masterclasses available everywhere. But we talked a lot about this. We talked about food shortages, the state of the game. We talked about some very real players in the game, Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum, and an agenda that's behind social engineering, right? Which is very, very much game A. And one of the things that I was saying through all this, because I get fucking hyped and I'm talking a million miles an hour and there's a lot of passion there,

is that we're only doing half our job for pointing out what's wrong. We're only doing half our job if we're saying this is what's going to happen that's bad. We have to empower others. And that's a part of what these podcasts are about, whether it's from a health and wellness standpoint, from a psychological standpoint, or a spiritual standpoint, it always has to be taken back to the practical. And one of the

examples I gave them that you talked about was this year's coursework. People ask me about, what are you guys learning in Fit for Service? What are you teaching? Sacred Feminine, First Trimester, Sacred Masculine, and then Sacred Union. Those are fucking really out there concepts for a lot of people. Our job is to bridge that gap from archetypical symbology and spiritual fluff to a hands-on approach of how you embody these things.

Right. And really what we're speaking about here with game B is a fundamental view of what, what we're doing here and, and how we engage with what we are a part of. Yes. Right. And that takes a shift in consciousness.

Yep. And that's, that's been, you know, me,. And that's, that's been, you know, me, you, Aubrey, that's been our move from the jump from the moment we've had these

connections made with plant medicines and with each other and the books that we've read to start to bridge the gap for others in, in how we view the world and how we interact with it. Right. I think one of the main pieces, differentiators between last trimester and this we interact with it, right? I think one of the main pieces, differentiators between last trimester and this trimester is if the feminine is about listening, receiving, quiet time, stillness, the masculine or being, right? Then the masculine is the doing. It is

the action. And you, me and Aubrey did a podcast on that recently. That's on Aubrey's podcast, but it is right action. And there are many ways we can go about this, but I think right action and how we show up in the world is of critical importance, not just for me to get the most out of my life, but for me to be able to deliver that downstream for the people that come after me, seven generations after me. So I want to segue into something that you've been working on for quite some time, because really it is the practicalness of a system that you've put in place for us to make the most out of our experience here, but to do so in a way that fundamentally changes the way we view the world, that fundamentally allows us to reach our goals exponentially, not faster, but just on a track that allows us to move through this world with greater and greater and greater awareness. really want to articulate is almost the root of all these conspiracies is that there is a very real problem that is happening that people are looking away from and that that's the beginning of these trails. What feels like the comic book is that people, instead of allowing themselves to

be in the uncomfortable uncertainty of why this problem exists. They reach into the darkness of what they don't know and attempt to become certain about why it is. And then that's when I think we start to get into our mythical and fantastic thinking because we won't allow ourselves to simply say, I don't know why, but it is, and I want it to be better. And so that was the thing that I wanted to articulate there. Why this game A and game B thing has resonated with me so much is because it perfectly fits into what I have been unconsciously teaching or not even aware of what I was teaching and that it perfectly fits into what feels like the big aha moment I got from Bill Plotkin's model of the psyche. And it's that your soul, so I will be radical and say,

I believe you have a soul. And the way Bill Plotkin defines soul is that soul is not a spiritual thing. It's a fundamentally ecological phenomenon. And the soul is the intuitive knowledge of the organism about how to be in its environment in a way that's harmonious. And that every creature, even rocks, even dirt and air has a soul and that it knows how to be in the ecosystem of nature

in a way that says, yes, more life. And that our culture is fundamentally out of alignment with that soul. Like we haven't developed a culture that's in alignment with the soul of the earth yet and that he he creates this eight stage model of the development of the psyche and that um it's there's two stages for childhood two stages for adolescence two stages for adulthood and two stages for elderhood and it's a circle and that um most people in power on this planet he says roughly 80 of the people in western culture they're stuck at stage three but they think that they're adults

and stage three is early adolescence and the goal of of stage three is to find your authentic place in culture where you're in authenticity with what your ego is. So you're honest and you have found a way to acquire status. And most people never achieve that. But that's early adolescence. And that the goal of stage four is to begin to actually dissolve your ego to the point where you can connect to for the first time truly to what your soul calling is and then at the end of stage four he calls it entering the cocoon where um this is where and only if you know a very small percentage of people get to this

point which is this is not the dark night of the soul. This is the three years of darkness going into the depths of what your soul is asking you to be. And that people who go through that descent into soul, and then they get what he calls their mythopoetic identity, which is essentially what they're going to do with the rest of their life that serves nature, which doesn't give a fuck about what your state and culture is or what your social status is or any of that stuff. And that if you move through that, you move into stage five and that's early adulthood. And the qualifications in his model to be an adult is someone who has discovered their soul purpose, has created a craft that allows them to express their soul into the world.

And they're good enough at expressing their soul through their craft that is for the benefit of other people. That's like a Martin Luther King. That's like a Gandhi. That's what he says is the average healthy young adult of a culture that's in alignment with nature. And he believes that the most fundamental way that we can save the Dharma Journal, which is the thing that you were referencing that I've spent the last six months on, is it's essentially creating a internal map through using the language of dreams, which is the language of the unconscious, to connect to that thing inside of you that I call the daemon, which I believe is the servant between the ego and the soul. And that to create a inner experience that allows that thing to begin to talk

to you. And then to create an inner temple that you can go to every day to hear what that thing is asking you to do today, just today, to begin to walk wherever it is that your soul is asking you to go, to really go die, to become who you could be. Because fundamentally, it feels like we don't know what game B is, but what we need to do to begin to bring game B into existence is to learn how to navigate our daily experience. And what I have found through coaching and through teaching and through my own experiences is that we all have a internal guide and it's the thing that pings you that we call intuition or it's

that still whisper that lets you know yes to this or no to this or good job this is exactly what you're supposed to be doing or this is not what you're supposed to be doing and it feels like one of the most healing things that I can possibly contribute to culture is to help people first connect to that and then to cultivate a faith and a confidence through the felt experience of their life becoming better every day that this is the proper way to orient yourself because the current climate that we're in and this is something that these philosophers articulate in a way that just makes me shudder and whenever i explain it to anyone they shudder which is because of the way game a operates um there is essentially

a environment that has been created where countries and corporations are competing with each other at getting better and better at manipulating you so you will act in a way that keeps them alive. And the ultimate way that this has played out in our picture is every major social media, so YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, they are running the most powerful versions of AI algorithms to optimize for the amount of time you spend on their site. And for most people who are not consciously operating, the thing that they have found that keeps you on site is if you're afraid or you're angry. And so these algorithms, and just to give context, in the 80s, we created Deep Blue, which was a computer that was meant to play the greatest chess champion in the world in chess and Deep Blue easily beat the greatest chess champion in the world. And this was back in the 80s. The computer that is optimizing for you to spend time on site is exponentially more powerful than that computer. You have not trained your entire life to be an expert at playing the game that this computer is an expert at. And you don't even know that you're playing the game when you're on these social media sites. And what these social media sites are showing you

is essentially how you should think about the world based off of what gets you the most angry or the most scared and so people's navigation system most people's navigation system has been hijacked by these algorithms and people get stuck in these reality tunnels that dominate them in fear and an uncertainty and there's this acronym called FUD that is a game theory dynamic that powerful entities will use to control populations and it's fear, uncertainty and doubt. And this is actually game plans that different organizations through the last 80 years

have articulated that they use a psychological warfare on populations that they want to make more easily controllable. And they found that if we can make people afraid, uncertain, and doubtful of their own inner guidance system, they will default to following strong authority. And it's dramatic, and I'm dramatic, but fuck it, is that it seems to be one of the most revolutionary acts that I have some

skill at being able to offer any type of solution to is to help people reclaim a faith and a certainty in their inner guidance system. And that's why I advocate for journaling. Like one of the things to connect to is, at least for me, I had no place in the world or in my life where I had dedicated solitude with the intent of feeling what my truth was currently. And it wasn't until I was about 25 where I started doing this. And it radically changed my life. And all I was doing was just trying to articulate to myself what the truth was. And like, I came from poverty.

I came from having almost no options before me and beginning to do that got me on the path to eventually get to where I am now. And in the last three years, the upgrade to the journaling practice that I didn't really know how to articulate or to teach was adding into it this faith in my daemon. And I essentially made this commitment three years ago

that whenever I hear a clear call from my daemon to do anything, regardless of how afraid I am to do it I'm going to do it and in the three years after making that commitment I went from being broke living with my mom but not even admitting to myself that I was actually living with my mom it was an extended vacation stay to being at the point now where you and Aubrey are my peers. We've all been able to create companies and we're, and we're a part of this thing that's actively changing people's lives that I get to witness every time that we have a summit and that I,

I truly believe that the thing that has brought me here is that commitment and that the Dharma journal is essentially my best current attempt to share the inner navigation system that brought me from there to here that I truly believe is going to help me navigate for the rest of my life. And there's a part of me that struggles with articulating the things that I'm actually good at and the things that I'm competent at. And I truly believe that the guided meditations that I've put into this Dharma journal is the best magic I've ever created. And that if people take the time, it's six days. They take the time to actually do the guided meditations each day

and then to do the writing prompts. They literally will end up with a situation where they will have a daily meditation that is 11 minutes that will help them connect to their daemon viscerally for that day to enter their inner sacred temple, commune with their higher self, and have a clear download of what the sacred task for them to do today is. And I think that that's how we can figure out what game B is, is to get as many people as possible to start to orient, not to the FUD that's coming through the algorithm of social media, but connecting to the daemon inside of them that knows what their soul already

is. Fuck yeah, brother. And it is, it is incredibly beautiful what you put together too. You know, I was just from a, what do they call that in computing?

The user interface is phenomenal. Thank you. It's absolutely stunning. Yeah, it is a beautiful thing. And thankfully, since I've been working with you long enough, you know, I've been around for at least a couple of your guided meditations. And they're incredible. They're incredible.

And that's really something that we all get to witness the flowering of each other when we're in this container. And that's been a beautiful thing to be a part of. You guys just launched this, right? Yeah, probably about two weeks ago. Okay. Incredible. We're going to have that linked in the show notes for people.

What else is going on? We were barely cracking the arrow mark here. Yeah. So one of the things that I'm trying to really get clear on is how to create a map of communication that calls in game B. So one of the things that you and I have found through coaching is the thing that, one of the things that most resonates with people is whenever we give them any good tools for how to talk to other people. Like one of the things that we've talked about over and over and over again is nonviolent communication. Another thing is the three levels of anger that Mary Margrave taught you. And I'm sure that you've talked about over and over and over again is non-violent communication another thing is the three levels of anger that mary margrave taught you and i'm sure that you've talked about

both of those things a lot on this podcast and one of the things that i'm connecting to is it's journaling for me was the first step in learning how to actually communicate. And it began with myself. And that the very next step, which is where I'm still stuck, is how do you communicate with your intimate others? And that's where nonviolent communication and the Mary Margrave anger levels come in. And what the philosophers who are talking about game B are focused on is like, we don't know what game B is. It's never existed, but we do have ideas about what some of the core physics, what creates emergence is when two different particles

communicate in such a way that it creates neg entropy, which is essentially emergence. And that if we can figure out how to communicate with each other like healthy cells do in a body, we would fundamentally realize what seems to be the shift in consciousness that has to happen for game B, which is, and this is something everyone's heard and almost no one

operates on a daily basis from, which is we are all interconnected. And again, it's something that everyone knows how to say. Every spiritual quote unquote person knows how to have that conversation of and I realized that we were all interconnected But then watch how they act that day We act as if we are individual agents competing for finite resources in a savage environment most of the time It's how we operate with our finances. It's how we operate with our food It's how we operate with jealousy and envy and resentment and all these fucking things.

And it feels like where I am called to really kind of bring my wolf energy that I shared with you earlier is to try to articulate like a map or a model to begin to help people communicate with first themselves in a way that creates emergence and then with their intimate others in a way that creates emergence and then the big one is how do we talk about quote unquote the commons in a way that creates emergence and this is where all of us fucking suck and the commons is like an economic term for like the the culture you know like when me and you try to talk about what covid is that's us attempting to create coherence about the commons and uh because of the way of the because of the environment that we're in it's so incredibly hard to even get there um and then the last one is like how to communicate with

nature in a way that creates coherence like the fact that we live in houses is like this is something that you and i are super passionate about to figure out how to bring all of those things into a place of coherence. And one of the things that one of the major philosophers of this group articulated that really resonated with me is that it begins with making a spiritual commitment to truthfulness. And truthfulness is not the same as truth. Truthfulness is what we mean when we say speak your truth. It's not that you have access to capital T truth. I don't even know if it's possible, but truthfulness is essentially,

I am genuinely articulating from my map about how I think the world is, what I believe. And that every time that you don't do that, every time that you're anything but truthful, you are adding to the energy of game A. And one of the things that he articulates is there's multiple ways to lie. So there's of course outright lying, but there's lying by omission. And I do it every day. It's so hard, but it's like, I'm just not going to say that part because that might lead to a thing that I don't want to talk about right now. And then there's line by emphasis bias is what they say. And so like emphasis bias would be like the way most scientific research is done in the Western world is only studies get done that get funded. And the thing that funds studies tend to be corporations that

have a profit motive or countries that have either a war motive or a power motive or a profit motive. And so the type of research that gets done has an empathy bias. Like there's thousands of studies done on this pharmaceutical trying to improve this symptom. There's almost no studies done on this pharmaceutical trying to improve this symptom there's almost no studies done on a natural resource that can't be patented to treat the same symptom because there's not an incentive behind it for the people that fund it so that's an idea of empathy bias and my super dramatic mythical mind the way that i I see this is there's the biological environment and that's where genes mutate and evolve. And then there's the abstract cultural environment that has allowed us to become the most powerful animals on the planet. And I think of that as the zeitgeist.

And that's its own environment. And you could say that that's the environment of ideas. And every time a message is produced by any organism that has lies in it, we're polluting the zeitgeist. And right now, our zeitgeist is more polluted than the most polluted part of any area on earth. And that if you imagine that the spirit of game B is like this organism that wants to grow out of the zeitgeist because it needs to in order for us to continue, we have to heal the soil of the zeitgeist. And that every time I lie, I add to the pollution of the zeitgeist. And every time I choose to be truthful, I add a little bit of microbiotic healing to the soil of the zeitgeist and so the thing that i'm currently most invigorated about um is how can i you know basically create a template that i can start using and then i can

share with the people closest to me and then i could maybe even start to teach as a course or whatever and i would just love to hear what comes up for you in me imagining that. Yeah, I mean, this is phenomenal. And you're touching on the similar to Zach Bush and a lot of people on the terrain theory, like the terrain model. And it's not necessarily one or the other with regard to virology.

I've talked with Rob Wolf about that. But in terms of what we're talking about with game B, like you want, there needs to be the right environment. That seed is already there. It's in the cosmic egg or the cosmic womb of all infinite potentiality, the divine feminine. It exists already. How we give birth to that is by creating an environment that will sustain that. Right? And I think number one, that the consciousness itself has to evolve to be in a place to receive that. Number two, and the more,

that's the feminine to receive it. Number two, the masculine, we have to live that experience first. Right? I think that, that, you know,

the Jamie wheels and the Schmachtenbergers and these people that are on the forefront of this and us, it is to actually live it. And that's by taking the best pieces from the greatest thinkers we have and employing them and trying them on for size. So we have an embodiment of the potentiality of that environment that's necessary to give birth to this. Plotkin's work, being in nature, you know, like we just had Will Tegel on the podcast and he talks so much of the eco field. I love that podcast so much.

So much of the eco field. But that's the other thing to keep in mind, right? His downloads in his own altered state of consciousness around the GPS system of Gaia, the GPS system of the solar system, the GPS of the Milky Way, the GPS of consciousness around the GPS system of Gaia, the GPS system of the solar system, the GPS of the Milky Way, the GPS of consciousness itself. There is a guidance system guiding us.

Even I just started this book called The Yugas. You've heard of The Yugas from ancient India. They talked about the cyclical time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and so most people have seen this as the golden age, the silver age, the bronze age. Now we're in the iron age, the Kali Yuga. And the Kali Yuga is coming to a close, thankfully.

I don't know if it happens. There's some differentiation on when the Kali Yuga end and when the next one begins, all that stuff. But this basic understanding that through half of a 25,000 year cycle, we are in ascension and through half of a 25,000 year cycle, we're in descension and we have descended, right? So we're at that again, right back to that critical point where the necessary changes start from within, be the change you wish to see. And that's fundamentally starts with a lived experience of our interconnectedness

and a lived experience of the sacred hoop. Knowing that, I mean, if you're not familiar with like Native American wisdom and stuff like that, or you didn't listen to Will Tagle, watch the Lion King. That's the sacred hoop. Like that's one of the most important tales within that,

within a coming of age, rites of passage, and any of these things is the sacred hoop and the necessity that we live within that. One of the greatest takeaways, and I'll link to this video in the show notes, from Ice Age Farmer in talking about inflation, the ridiculous amount of money we printed over the last year, and food shortages,

whether they're manufactured or not, right? Manufactured supply chain issues that seem to be on the horizon for us is that at the end of the day, we have to empower ourselves by starting to do certain things like grow our own food and all these things. Well, if you take that back to the layers of what it's doing for us is it's reconnecting us to the land. It's reconnecting us to what we put in our body, what we eat, and that is health.

That solves more than one system. It solves more than supply chain issues. It solves a deeper understanding of our relation to all that is because we now have a relationship with an animal that we eat because we killed it. Or we, we know the rancher, we watched it get shot.

We help field dress it, right? Like we know all the components, you know, the liver, you know, all of the, the,

the factors that went into that animal and it's local. It's from the land that you live off of. Right. So I um those are some of the ways we live that experience and start to reconnect ourselves or remember ourselves in in a new way so uh my whole body shook when you brought up the will tagle podcast because so the way that i learn or the way that i digest is i essentially like write myself an essay and uh each time i've done this in the last year or two they get longer and longer and this one for sure will be the longest thing i've ever written because i'm trying to digest

all this and my intuition about what the introduction and the ending is is actually will tagle's dream that he shared at the beginning of the podcast. And his dream, and you touched on it a little bit, is that he had this dream where he saw the earth. And at first, he felt like it was like a spaceship. And then he had this overwhelming transpersonal kind of psychedelic shift in consciousness where he realized it's an organism and it has a sacred guidance system. And that he could feel that for whatever reason it was fundamentally changing its course. It could feel that it needed to. And the thing that he said on that podcast

after that dream that just like hit my soul like a gong was nature is no longer waiting outside the door. Nature is coming into our homes. And that's COVID. And that's the increasing environmental pressures. And that there's this intuition in me that there's something about having to reconnect to the land in a way that it sustains you,

that intrinsically teaches you game B. It's not a panacea, but it begins to put you in an environment where in order for you to survive, you have to learn how to be in harmony with the ecosystem. If you're going to farm or even garden, you have to learn how to connect to the ecosystem. And that there is something about that

that will begin to unconsciously teach us how to think in the ecosystem. And that there is something about that, that will begin to unconsciously teach us how to think in game B in a way that we're dramatically disconnected from. Like one of my favorite quotes is by Marshall McLuhan. And it's the tools that we create begin to create us. And it's this idea that your environment and the and the things that you use have a feedback on you that is so much more profound than we give credit like one of the really interesting things to connect to from an evolutionary standpoint is we are by far not even close the most underdeveloped animal the moment it's born and we are completely dependent on our parents or our caretakers for like a decade at least and that's being super rapid

and that most animals the moment they are born have to begin to walk like within minutes. And the idea is that we have evolved in such a way where it is now adaptive for us to not come into the world ready to fit the environment that we're in, but to come into the world completely neuroplastic to adapt to whatever the new environment will be. And so what that opens up is this realization that our belief of what human nature is, is radically, radically underestimating the effect of the environment that we come into. And that most of us believe that our human nature is somehow like inherent in being in alliance with an incentive

market that's about profit um in competing with each other for finite resources in line and deception and all of that and what would a human look like if they were born into an environment that had the leading edge of consciousness evolution that we've currently acquired? and to kill it honorably and then to only eat the things that it's created and that they have to interrelate with other humans at a scale of 50 or 80 or 100 in order to meet their basic needs but also had the connection to exponential technology and were taught that this could be used to heal the planet you know like we don't know what that type of human looks like. And one of the things that you and I both feel dramatically called to figure out how to do in our lifetime is how do we create that type of garden for a child to come into

and for a child to be raised in? And this gets to a more interesting point. There's so many people that i know who and we've talked about this often in the last maybe week or so who what they want to do is they want to win enough at game a so they can buy a piece of land and they can go create you know their community for their homies and then they can just get out of the matrix and they can go be in that land and that that's their ultimate goal and there they can just get out of the matrix and they can go be in that land and that that's their ultimate goal and there's something about that that i deeply resonate with but one of the things that has come into my experience in the last five or six weeks

is it feels like if game a is not healed if the matrix is not healed there will not be a planet no matter where there will not be a piece of land no matter where you go that is going to have the ecosystem that can support human life in four or five generations and so one of the things that we talked about is if you ever watch a child or like a young dog explore a environment. If they're securely attached to the parent, babies and puppies will do the same thing. At first, they'll go explore like five or six feet away from you.

And the moment that anything's too intense, they'll come back to home base and they'll just kind of like touch you and be around you for a moment. And the moment their nervous system regulates a little bit, they go out further and then they come back and then they go out further and then they come back and then they go out further and then they come back

and then they essentially start to just play. That's what I feel is the best use case for that type of dream that most of our friends have, which is how can we create a beautiful mother to come back to, to regenerate our nervous system. But then we got to go back out and serve and try to do our best to bring as much of game B to game A. And the thing,

like one of the things that I've connected to since reading, at least the introduction of Jamie wheel's new book, recapture the rapture is it's like we all it seems to be an archetypical function of the psyche that we all want to believe in some type of rapture where it's like as long as I'm doing something right it's going to work out and maybe it won't work out for a lot of people but like me and my people we will survive we'll be the 144,000 that go to heaven or whatever. And there's something about, and there's a bunch of spiritual versions that are modern,

that are the exact same archetypical structure as old rapture stories. And there's something about those that have never resonated with me. That something about it feels like, it feels like my soul is saying to my ego, oh, little boy. And that there is something about it feels like my soul is saying to my ego, aw, little boy. And that there is something about the soberness of this game A, game B thing where it's like we could do our best and it still might not work. But the call of the true heroic adult is, and I'm still going to do my absolute fucking best anyways. And it might not work. Yeah, there's a soberness to it.

And then at the same time, especially because I have kids, but at the same time, I've had some visions where I've moved far beyond the the, the, the attachment to like, like nationalism or something like that. And like, like I fucking love the United States. I love Texas. I loved California when I lived there.

I certainly don't love it now. How we identify with those things. I've had that snapped in half. I've even had being a human snapped in half. Yeah, like, Oh wow. You're attached to that.

And then it was like the remembering of like, just kind of like a laughable blink of an eye experience of, yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. It's just a, you know,

bird's eye view until your bird's eye view is, is so far past it. Doesn't mean I'm not going to do my best and certainly not going to want to, I mean, I want to provide. And this place, this is such an amazing place that we're in. You know, it is an amazing, amazing place. If there's one thing that I truly disagree

with David Icahn is that I do not think, I think this is the divine matrix. I don't think it's the devil's matrix. And I certainly don't agree with him on that. But maybe we'll find out about reptilians and all that shit with some disclosure. It's been fucking awesome having you on here. We covered a lot of ground in this podcast.

From aliens to Schmachtenberger to Will Tegel and consciousness itself, all the good shit, brother. And we'll link to the Dharma Journal in the show notes. I'm so pumped that that's been released, brother. Thank you so much for having me on, man. Yeah, absolutely. Your podcast name is? The Myths That Make Us.

The Myths That Make Us, that's right. I'll remember that one day. I love you, brother. Thank you for coming on. Love you too, man. you