Kyle Kingsbury Podcast - #212 Barton Scott

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

Barton Scott has a quarterback quality head of hair and he’s giving it up one strand at a time in the name of science. His hair mineral analysis program is super insightful and extremely valuable, go check it out below. We also get into being proactive with your health and how to practice sovereignty in your overall wellness. Enjoy y’all!   Hair Mineral Test - Use code “KKP” at checkout    Curious about the best way to support yours truly and help get more amazing guests on? Share the show with your friends and fam! Spread the good word and let’s grow our community of love and truth!  Connect with Barton:   Website: upgradedformulas.com  Instagram: @askbarton  YouTube: Upgraded Formulas  Show Notes:   The Plant Paradox -  Steven R Gundry  Tara Garrison podcast with Barton Spotify - Apple    The Salt Fix - book  Sponsors:   Soul CBD Head to mysoulcbd.com  and punch in “KKP” at checkout for 15% off the best in the CBD biz. PaleoValley Some of the best and highest quality goodies I personally get into are available at paleovalley.com, punch in code “KYLE” at checkout and get 15% off everything! The Cold Plunge Trade up from your inefficient ice chest to The Cold Plunge by heading to thecoldplunge.com/pages/kkp and use codeword “KKP” at checkout for $111 off!  Connect with Kyle:   Instagram: @livingwiththekingsburys   Youtube: Kyle Kingbury Podcast  Kyles website: www.kingsbu.com    Like and subscribe to the podcast anywhere you can find podcasts. Leave a 5-star review and let me know what resonates or doesn’t.

Welcome back everybody to the wonderful show. We have an awesome expose into the world of minerals today Featuring my friend Barton Scott. I first met Barton back. I think my good friends Colin and Christy From the amazing race, but much more than that. They are just awesome people. Shout out to them met him at their house and Not didn't meet them at their house met Barton Scott at their house and not didn't meet them at their house, met Barton Scott at their house and Barton blew my mind. I've had some many interesting conversations at these get togethers as you might assume, and met some absolutely incredible people. So it seems to be a wellspring of folks that are worthy of coming on the show and having awesome conversations with.

Barton takes us through his personal path to discovering health and going against the standard of care, as I'm sure you are aware, is the theme of the show and really figuring out what works best and doing that through hair mineral analysis and looking at everything from heavy metal toxicity as well as mineral ratios, which is something that was kind of, and still is rather, a new discovery of what that actually means. Like if you have a whole lot of zinc from zinc lozenges, that can displace copper. If you have really high copper, that can displace zinc. All kinds of cool stuff. So we get nitty gritty on the world of minerals in this podcast and health and wellness as a whole. And I think this is a topic that never grows old because more than ever, we are faced with what are the best practices

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Thank you. We've been going back and Scott, welcome to the podcast, brother. Thank you. We've been going back and forth on a proper time to do this. And thank you so much for doing this in person because they are always a hundred times better than the fucking digital, but we make do. Yeah. I love this. I love being able to sit down with you and it's just so much easier. Sometimes you get that lag in Skype. I mean, I'd done about 10 episodes of my own podcast before I put it on pause for now. And I realized the in-person really was what I was looking for.

So yeah. Yeah, no doubt about it. We did have my favorite online interview ever is Dr. Ted Achikoso. And simply for the fact that the back and forth is really hard and i didn't even mention this to him perhaps he intuited it because he is a genius and a highly tuned in spiritual master but he basically gave a lecture it was like he was presenting to a classroom for an hour and 15 minutes straight i didn't do anything but uh-huh

wow oh wow there was no questions asked. It was a 115 of just straight fucking wisdom. So kudos to Dr. Ted out there. I'm rocking the methylene blue right now because of him. Fantastic stuff, but very cool. We want to dive into your company and the whys behind it. And much deeper than that is the potentials for mineral deficiency. Obviously, I've spoken quite a bit about that on my show over the years. I've had many, many guests bring up the fact that our food supply does not deliver to us what it once did. And even if it did, we're still running an uphill battle. It's not like we're coming from the starting. Most of us are not coming from a starting place of healthy, happy, and whole.

We are coming from deficiencies. We are coming from the uphill battle of obesity, pre-diabetic. The list goes on and on and on. So to rectify a lot of the issues, we need to fix that. And so I want to dive into all that. We will. We'll talk about testing and all the good stuff that you're a lot of the issues, we need to fix that. And so I want to dive into all that. We will, we'll talk about testing and all the good stuff that you're a part of. But first, as we always do, talk about your life growing up, wrestling, and some of the things that led you to wanting to create what you've created today. Sure. Yeah. There's so many things that led to having to do what I do now is how it feels.

Wrestling was a big part of it. I mean, I went to a school where I was able to play football both ways too. I played quarterback and ran track. You look like a quarterback. You actually look like a quarterback. There's a look for quarterbacks. I don't know if it's the hair and the smile, but you look like quarterbacks are always good looking for whatever reason.

Thanks, brother. Coming from you, I appreciate that. And keeping that whole offense in your head and everything. And then on defense, getting to really let loose from strong safety side because I had amazing takedown ability and like form tackling. I was going to say, I wondered which position you played on defense because that would tell me what kind of quarterback you were. Yeah. Right. Strong safety is a bad-ass position. That's pretty cool. You're probably lowering your shoulder and the guy's not sliding when you're,

when you had the ball in your hand. That's pretty cool. Oh yeah, totally. No, we, I was running for my life as quarterback all the time. So I'd roll out to the right or left throw pass or run pass option. That was, that was what we're good at. Our line probably needed better coaching. So I was running for my life all the time. But that, you know, with, with wrestling, just like, you know, with, with, with fighting and all, you know, being a black belt in jujitsu, all these different things. You're sweating so much when someone's weight is on you constantly for minutes at a time, and you're going all out and your max heart rate just about. And of course, when you zoom out,

I'll say this and it might sound kind of obvious in retrospect, but think about how difficult it is to replenish all of that. Think about the not only caloric expenditure, that's where most people's mind goes first, but the nutrients in our food. What keeps us eating beyond calories? It's of course the nutrients that we need for all of our enzymatic processes to work. And I remember thinking like, wow, there's no way from the time I started wrestling at like six and seven to 18 to finishing high school and being one of the top wrestlers in my weight class in the nation and to getting out of that, doing jujitsu to going through chemical engineering, which was equally difficult on the mental side. It doesn't really even matter how smart you are. There's such a mountain of work that you're just constantly busy. So that I decided

to go and get prescribed. I'll just say worst decision I've ever made in my life for my health nutritionally was I got prescribed Vyvanse. Vyvanse is similar to Adderall, correct? Exactly. Yeah. And that, along with the nutrient deficiencies I incurred in wrestling and other sports, but mainly that sport. Wow. And then, you know, I had a beautiful girlfriend and we talked about this earlier, something I haven't really shared before, but when you are having sex too often and like a lot of people out there- Specifically ejaculate too often. Exactly. You could fuck every day, multiple times a day. But if you're releasing that semen, that's going to take a toll.

Exactly. I want you to dive into that too. So that's a big piece. Absolutely. So separating ejaculation from orgasm, not very many people know how to do. I certainly didn't know how to do it at 24, 22, all of that. So that, and then, you know, losing,

the trauma of losing someone close to me, watching our health go, watching medicine just not be just something that was working. It was watching surgery after surgery, watching the thymus gland get removed. And so much of the vitality in the process get removed from my mother. And my parents were a lot like peers.

I was born to older parents. I knew I would lose them earlier in life than most people, most likely. And I think I've always thought about longevity. I think I've always thought about anti-aging. And I've always thought about performance because of wrestling and because you couldn't just eat whatever you wanted and then go perform like you could in other sports, as you know, and with weight classes. So there was a lot of different drivers because at that point, it's not like you're in your 80s, 90s, 100 pluses, and you start to lose your memory. I was losing in my mid-20s. And I was like, I have huge plans to contribute to the world

in this life. And I will not let this stop me. I will somehow persevere. I will somehow figure this out. And what we do at Upgraded Formulas today is the love letter to that. So... Fuck yeah. That's beautiful, brother. Well, I don't even know where to start because there's so many good pieces here, but the only thing I'm thinking about right now is how often I beat off and have. I mean, if I'm being perfectly honest, I mean, it's changed now that I'm 39, but my self-management has increased

due to having a newborn, which happens for most dudes. No knock on my sex life with my wife is fucking amazing. It just doesn't happen as often as I'd like it to simply due to the fact that I'm, I'm dad times two, you know, we got two kids, uh,

yeah. And our energy levels when that, when the, the availability is there are fucking tanked. Right. But I can always take care of myself and I often do to completion. Right. Um, even before that, when I was a kid, I mean, But I can always take care of myself. And I often do to completion, right? Even before that, when I was a kid, I mean, I say kid, probably 13.

So teenager onward, I remember leaving. This is funny for anybody, any of my classmates that are listening to this right now. I jerked off like six times a day when I was in fucking high school. It was like I had to just to be able to focus. They're like, where and how? Well, that's what I was going to say. I would walk home. I lived close to school. I'd walk home at brunch, sometimes brunch and lunch to relieve myself and then fucking walk back to school. And that went on for years, four or five, six times a day. And then,

you know, college, it slowed down. Cannabis helped me curb that. It was kind of like, I just didn't look, whatever, you know, I'm high. But I really only started learning about sperm retention when I got into fighting. And, you know, obviously there was all sorts of weird shit going on. Liotta Machida was drinking his own urine, you know, and maybe remember. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay, well, there's a whole lot of shit that I'm unaware of. And fighting for me was when I first really got into wanting to know more about health

and wellness. And Paul Cech was just like, I was a fucking magnet. Even, you know, it's funny, like probably more so now than I was then. Cause I didn't quite understand the level of his knowledge. But certainly at that time, reading How to Eat, Move, and Be Healthy completely changed my view of food, sleep, all the things because of the fact that through his coaching, I was able to understand like, hey, what I put in my body actually has a direct impact on my recovery, on my sleep, how I fight, how I show up on fight day,

how I recover, all those things. And I never looked at food the same since then. But let's dive in. And I remember eating pasta, like huge amounts of, I haven't eaten gluten in like eight or nine years now. But I remember eating pasta the night before, like multi-day wrestling tournaments and just going like, all right, great. I got all that semolina wheat. Oh, God. And just heavy cream. Grabbing nutrients, micronutrients your body needs and letting you poop them right out.

Yeah. Just, oh, man, it's amazing. Let's unpack this sperm stuff because obviously, the idea that I had understood it as your body takes, think of anything we produce, whether it's hair, skin, and nails, anything is going to take raw materials to build it, right? Now, for sperm in particular, it's understood that quite a bit of raw materials are made because it is such an important thing necessary for life on earth. And so we put a bit of raw materials are made because it is such an important thing necessary for life on earth. And so we put a lot of raw materials, we put a lot of energy

into creating sperm. And perhaps is one of the reasons we see sperm counts are so diminished in our modern state of unhealthiness. But unpack that for me. What's happening when we unload too often? Yeah, it's a great phrase. So the things that you notice most importantly from a mineral aspect are that magnesium and zinc are really, really depleted. So those are primary constituents from a mineral basis within sperm. So that also lowers your vitality, that lowers your ability to sleep. Magnesium we know now does at least 800 different things in the body that we know of. So imagine when you don't have enough of just that one. And then zinc is a great mineral organizer and does, I mean, at least 30 critical enzymatic functions in the body and really helps regulate progesterone and testosterone. And it's a very, you can consider it as a very male hormone. So when you have these two,

and you have to think about the relationships of the other things in the body. So you can think about the heavy metals that then get into these primary docking sites in the body enzymatically. And then you can think about the other minerals that counterbalance these minerals. So copper, for example. So now you have too much copper if your zinc is low, even if your copper intake was not high, and that could be from food. There's a lot of foods out there. Cacao is one.

Avocado is another. They're very high, but free one. In copper. In copper, yes, specifically. Even if you had a good normal level, it's the, free one in copper. Yes. So even if you had like a good normal level, it's the ratio that's thrown off. So I love avocado, but if I'm not getting enough zinc, then that's going to be a problem or, and, or if I'm whacking it every day, like a 16 year old, then that's also going to create an imbalance with the copper and zinc ratio.

Hugely, hugely. And, and something I haven't spoken much about yet is is how these minerals when they're in the wrong ratio or in a ratio that's that's maladaptive really negatively influence personality so when you have a a man that is high copper in relationship to zinc uh you get you get more creativity but you also get an ungroundedness i wonder if the high copper low zinc is the issue of social justice warriors we could get into that like i think this testing would figure would sort that a raise the zinc you're low on test buddy totally totally test progesterone all these it's a hypothesis i'm just gonna throw it out there it's so what I will say too, just in the general, so I'm very much in this community too,

but the spiritual community does a kick-ass ceremony for everything now. Yeah. And a lot of those same people are just like, I don't supplement and stuff like that. Vegan. Yeah. And vegan. Yeah. And then if they're also having sex a lot because they went to,

you know, some Tantra practice and then they're like, oh, I'm trying, you know, and then, well, maybe,

you know, good if they're learning to separate, like we talked about earlier. But if they're just having sex a lot and they're doing that and they're vegan and they're, then you can see how the cards really, the dominoes really start to fall one way so that's really interesting on the other side it's not all it's not all great either and this is why we test and don't guess and that's why it's

the hair analysis is such a key driver for us to figure out because we want to map map with what we do. But with zinc, if you take so much zinc that your copper levels are then in relationship very, very low, you get so analytical, you can't really connect with the feminine, which is interesting. Because the feminine is more, I mean, if you look at these elements, the more I've studied them, I see a nature between them. Zinc being masculine, copper being feminine. Copper is a creative element. It can stimulate the adrenals. It helps with thyroid function.

That's why I put it in one of our blends called Peak Thyroid. But you want these, it's like a lot of things in life. We have this, society in general has this tendency to go, this is bad, this is good. And in fact, we want a blend of a lot of these things. We just want them in the right ratios. Yeah, balance is always key.

I would estimate that we're probably, I mean, you would know better than me, but low on usable things, right? I would love for you to unpack because I mean, what you guys do is you're doing hair mineral analysis. And I've heard people with the pros and cons and those kinds of things. And some people raise a hand up saying like, how much can you actually tell? Tell us, how much can you actually tell from hair mineral analysis? This is something that you got into 10 years ago, really due to, you know, you being pressed against the wall and you selected this, you know, like you chose it for the reasons you chose it, but talk a bit about that. What are you guys looking for? What can you find from hair mineral analysis?

And then we just continue from there. Sure. So with hair mineral analysis, just like with blood, there are certain labs that don't do a good job. And there's others that do a great job. So the thing with the things that I'm so just, I don't know, it just seems like such a no-brainer now knowing what I know is that I've really gone in the depth in this because my background was chemical engineering and the hair analysis is a look at the periodic table in our bodies, in the chemistry lab of our bodies. How cool is that? And thinking

about, I mean, this entire office we're in is all of those elements. This entire planet and solar system is all of those elements. I mean, to not be testing that when that is so clearly, without question, just from clear deduction, the most critical portion of our body. I mean, we should be testing that and then we should have a tool that can actually move the needle on those deficiencies that we find. And no, it's, as you've already mentioned, it's not as simple as going, oh, you're low in this thing. Like you're low in copper, take more copper. It's like, well, maybe you're also low in zinc. So your levels right now are actually balanced and that's good.

We want to bring both up or whatever it is. Or, you know, there's another element over here that you're really, really high in. So you need to do this so there's there's about 60 different elements that we look at in a hair mineral analysis there's some key areas that I really like to focus in on we do look at heavy metals for for people that are interested in in that because it's it's very important as well and get ratios to, one of the cool things is you get ratios of certain minerals to heavy metals. So you'll get zinc to mercury, you'll get selenium to mercury. And these minerals do help the body remove these heavy metals, which is super cool, super important because as we age, it does get harder to remove heavy metals from the body.

And heavy metals can also influence, frankly, addiction. So one thing that I've never heard anyone else talk about is foods that have cadmium in them, for example. Let's just take that as an example. So you have cadmium in marijuana. And I'm not saying that you should never smoke marijuana. Do I think it's better than alcohol?

Yes, I do. And you have foods like coffee. Again, like some. And you can just look up a list of foods high in cad, again, like some. And you can just look up a list of foods high in cadmium, for example. So let's take those. Tobacco as well. So those have cadmium. I'm about to be really high in cadmium.

You just, that was fucking three strikes. All I was worried about was mercury because of my fillings. And I'm patiently waiting to drop that bomb. And now I'm like, all right, we'll throw cadmium in the mix. And luckily, we test for that too. So there's, and there we can talk about the layers and how the body sequesters to keep us safe from heavy metals and how it pulls it out of the blood and why, for that reason, blood may not be a great

place to test because it's us on our best behavior. Get into that more later if you like. So back to this cadmium and copper relationship. So the copper, that looks pretty similar in the body to a lot of receptors. So some of these heavy metals can actually act as, they can plug into the same enzymatic docking stations as the minerals, right? The minerals obviously are preferential. And knowing that, here's how addiction happens with those things. If you have high copper levels in your blood, and granted, these things can be addictive for other reasons, but what you find with addictive substances is that, and this is why companies do

so well when they sell addictive substances, is because there's a multi-prong approach. On this, chemically, biochemically, there can be an addiction. And I'd love to work with addicts at some point and treatment facilities and things like that. So if you're listening to this and you have a connection to that, please reach out. With cadmium and copper, when you smoke weed, for example, or you have tobacco or you have coffee, that can push out the copper in your blood and into tissue where it's sequestered and give you a temporary relief.

And that adds to the high. And that keeps you stuck on those things. So kind of like quercetin might shuttle zinc into the cells, tobacco or some other stimulants that you've mentioned, the cadmium is going to be the catalyst that would take copper and put that into the cell. Is that correct? Yeah.

Just talking about like storage, because I know that's an issue I want to dive into. Whereas toxins, excess toxins to stop being a burden on the liver and to keep the blood pure, might find themselves in fat tissue and different organs. This would be something almost beneficial. Temporarily. Temporarily.

So that immediate fix of this glorious snus I just threw in my mouth is likely shuttling some copper into my cells and my body goes, ah. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that, and then like we just touched on, with blood, that is really us on our best behavior, right?

Because if you think of blood as this river that's delivering the nutrients to our organs and cells, then do you really want to test that river? Because, I mean, at first thought, you might go, well, yeah. And think of it this way. So when our blood is not really close to 7.36 pH, we die. So we have a lot of mechanisms in the body to make sure that doesn't happen. So we'll pull from bone marrow to make that pH.

The whole body is about pH, but make that pH where it needs to be. And typically that would be, you know, calcium is going to come from the bone marrow. Magnesium. And different electrolytes due to the fact that we're likely too acidic. Correct. So then that would lower the pH and make it more alkaline. And the reason I want to bring that up is because within the spiritual community, there's a big push towards alkaline water.

And that too has its impacts. It does. Some positive, some negative. You wouldn't want to have that necessarily pre-meal because you want acidity in the stomach. And where is that alkaline water going? To the stomach first, right? Yeah.

Also, key note for anyone that's either, whether you're working with us or not, just don't drink a bunch of water during your meal. Fluids during a meal in general reduce stomach acid, like I was talking about or alluding to. And that's huge, like massive. If you want to get stronger quickly, you can continue eating the same things,

figure out what you're missing, supplement that with supplements that actually work and really, really absorb and are precisely what you need instead of just guessing. And then also make sure that you absorb the nutrients from your food that do require stomach acid and bile to get broken down that aren't cell ready. So yeah, I mean, there's a lot to it, but that's a huge improvement. I did that for years too, where I would just be drinking maybe just water with my meal and lemon and whatever, or I drink way too much water close to the meal. So- Yeah. What is your spacing on that? I've heard 15 minutes before. So if you wanted a glass of

water, just give it at least 15 minutes before you start ingesting food. water, it's probably going to wait a little longer for that to percolate. And then, yeah. And don't come into the meal dehydrated. There's a lot of times where I can only fit in a sauna session. It's like pre-dinner and I'll eat and I'm like, man, I'm probably not breaking down this food and getting it where it needs to go without the water. And if I drink water now, then I'm going to lower the stomach acid. So it kind of puts you in a bind, trying to fit in, for me, trying to fit in the sauna with the schedule right now. So there's been a lot of times where I just opt for the ice bath and say I'll sauna tomorrow when I have the time to give it the space that it needs. Because it's

like a workout. It's passive, but it is a workout. Yeah. And it's great for you to be moisturized every day through sweat. So yeah, it's just really, really massively important to think of that too for absorption because the lens I do everything through is delivery system and absorption. I see the world that way. I see the problems that we have in the world as delivery system failures. I see the ones that work as successes. And then on a cellular level, what I did was out of school, I really had my back against the wall. So I started to realize that the minerals that I was taking through experimentation, I experimented with all the different brands. I started supplementing by the time I was like 12 and just loved nutrition. I loved it.

I felt like that was this almost passive way to get great at all athletics and also keep my mind sharp and also anti-aging, like hair, skin, nails, all of it. And just brain health, longevity, all these different things. Because minerals too also help you push out things like aluminum. So when you don't have mineral deficiencies, when you're free of mineral deficiencies in the body, you quite literally electromagnetically do not collect heavy metals as easily. In part because they're already docked. So it's almost like the way geese pair off or something. And they make for life. Then there's no other goose that can come in and dock

and date that goose, so to speak. Right. I, yeah, growing up was also a hunting guide. So maybe that's why I use that random analogy that I've never used before. I think of receptor sites, like keyholes and keys and keyholes already have the key in them. Then those keys are just going to pass through the body. Absolutely. Absolutely. So what I realized though, I did the first hair analysis years ago, and oddly enough, it was that same girlfriend that helped me find that analysis through a friend that had cancer at the time. So she led me to having the mineral deficiency on top of the Vyvanse and the wrestling and all the deficiencies

there. But in addition to that, she helped me find that test. And she knew I was looking for different things. I was willing to try anything. I was spending thousands that year in different testing. Only thing I really found was actionable was this. And then on top of that, I realized, wait a minute, I've been taking a bunch of these different minerals intuitively correctly because I've always listened to my intuition. I've always had a pretty clear connection there and very clear, really. And it's got clearer as I've gotten healthier and it's got clearer as I've done different plant medicines and meditations. And I do TM daily. And I realized this is a delivery mechanism. This is an issue that chemical engineers can solve. And I have the training to do this. And luckily, I grew up around a lot of people in my life that were in business.

My whole family has always been good at chemistry and we have compounding pharmacies on one side of the family. And I respected that approach and yet I didn't want to do anything related to medicine, medication. And I wanted something that, I love this idea of supplements, but I wanted to have something that was useful and that worked. And at this point, I really needed to figure it out. Something about losing a parent early in life or anyone close to you early in life, could be brother or sister, whoever it is, really reminds you in a way that you can't ever forget that your time, at least in this body, is going to be limited. And I remember thinking, okay, so it was like a 3 a.m. wake up in the middle of the night sort of thing with clarity and like, oh, I'm ready to get to work on this type thing. And this was a multi-year process, but ultimately I've figured out a way

to apply nanotechnology principles to a good end product and make that product just highly absorbable without digestion so that it gets into the cells and that you notice it. So I think you've already taken our magnesium, I'm not sure or not, but that you notice it. So, you know, I think you've already taken our magnesium. I'm not sure or not, but you typically feel it. I feel, to be perfectly honest, one thing

that I've started with, I mean, for sure the magnesium, just because I know that's like, it's a no brainer. From the sauna, from the everything I've done in the past. And I love the fact that I'll have you dive into this as well. Not all those are created equal. And certainly you can shit your brains out having, you know, natural calm or some of these other products. But the iodine, like that's something we're extremely deficient in. Oh yeah, that's huge. Our government, which doesn't go to bat for us,

if you've been listening to the show, at least understood that it was such a health concern. They started fortifying bread and different things, salt, table salt with iodine. And no, that's no fucking reason to have regular chemical salt improved with iodine. But since supplementing with the iodine, I feel a sharpness and an alertness that I haven't felt in a very long time. It's amazing. I feel like I'm fucking rocking and rolling. I mean, right now, I mean, most of the time,

I just like to sit back and listen to you go. But I'm also like, oh man, this is bringing up this, is bringing up that. So good. I'm very sharp from the iodine. So it's one of my favorite supplements that I've created is the iodine. It's insane. But back to you, I don't want to derail you

because I'm so fucking giddy like a little kid right now. I'd love that topic. Let's continue on nanotechnology, the size of these. And this isn't nanotechnology used by the military and these kind of things that I've rabbit holed lately. It has nothing to do with that. Nanoparticles are a size, right? And the way this was explained to me back in the day is that nano is far smaller than a micron. And obviously, I've talked about micron size with relation to masks and things like that on this podcast, but strictly for absorbability, talk a bit about that. You have on your bottles the difference between an actual cell size and the size of most of these minerals, right? And this was a hiccup for Ben Greenfield, who I love. I've been on the podcast

multiple times, but I was listening to your podcast with him, which was fantastic. And one of the core issues Ben had was that if we're not able to take these things from nature, then inherently something is flawed with this perfect world we live in, right? And not perfect from a people standpoint, but perfect from a design standpoint, an intelligent design, which I wholeheartedly agree with. I think where your stance was, was based on the fact that our immune systems and our digestive systems are not where they once were. And we have this uphill battle. We're not able to effectively take magnesium from plants and some of these other things and actually get them into a usable size. Is that correct? That is correct. And the soil is depleted and the world, the atmosphere is about a thousand times more toxic than it's been in recorded history.

So we're dealing with breathing in things like cadmium from brake dust when we're sitting in traffic. And I wish that wasn't true, but that is. And we have to acknowledge that, not run from cover and hide our eyes and know that these heavy metals lead to brittle bones later in life because they they end up as constituents of of bone um many you know so there's there's a lot that goes into that certainly yeah there's there's yeah there's so much the you know there's plants always have a defense mechanism to keep them from being eaten. So we have to deal with that. So goitrogens, so people that are having thyroid issues and they're consuming high goitrogen diet, as I'm sure you know, like that, that can be an issue too.

So things like Brussels sprouts and some of that can be mitigated by cooking them. Everything I've found from a nutrient standpoint of consuming vegetables means it says that lightly cooked would be the way. Yeah, there's a link to this for people who, some people have an issue. You know, I have friends that fall on both sides of the coin. I'm friends with vegans. I'm friends with the fucking carnivore doc, Paul Saladino. And there's great arguments made by Paul Saladino. He's done it on this podcast before.

The plant paradox by Dr. Stephen Gundry is where I was first made aware. Like, yeah, nature has built in its own mechanisms that are herbicide, pesticide, fungicide. They're natural elements that prevent bugs from eating the fruit. Like orange peel. You don't need an orange peel or banana peel. That's there by design. Within some of these things, whether they be cruciferous, like broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, as you've mentioned, or even berries. There's a lot of oxalates in cacao and some of these vegetables, but also in blueberries and blackberries and a lot of other things, which I fucking love and consume religiously, you know? So that can impact our absorption of vitamins and minerals as well.

Right. Right. Yeah. All of that, all of that's true. And yet, you know, I would say, I would say, you know, something like blueberries are great in place when you're thinking about breaking down and you did, you got off your macros for the day and now you're getting some craving late in, late in the night before bed, you know? So it's like, there's, there's good, better, and best, I think with all of this. And I think something like carnivore is great as a elimination diet for a while, for sure. But anyway, the goal is, for us at Upgraded Formulas, we are diet agnostic, is what I say. Like if someone,

we're not trying to change that for someone. We're trying to help them and say, look, you need to eat more phosphorus. And the best place to get that is going to be meat and other like non-plant sources sources for sure. And iron, you're low in iron and it's going to be difficult for sure. Yeah. Eating pounds of spinach with all the oxalates in that versus getting heme iron from organ meat and red meat and things of that nature is a completely different ballgame. Completely different ballgame. And also they may need to

take digestive enzymes and also increase their stomach acid. And also, like we talked about, not drink water during their meal. That's a big thing. They're like, I'm bloated all the time. Maybe you need magnesium. That'll help with bloating. And maybe you're not absorbing the magnesium you're taking, which you probably aren't. And just all minerals in general.

Minerals, I chose this category to work on because I see it as the most important category. I see it as something we fundamentally can't get around. We have to have. We can't make endogenously. We have to take it in. Our body doesn't store it super well, and they're hard to absorb, typically. So all of this was just like very, very clear something that I would need. And I could only get the products I would need by creating them at scale through a company. So I'm all about, both of my parents were in education. I'm all about doing exactly this. I love like sharing the different things I've learned because I feel like I'm here to reduce suffering. I feel like we all have a mission that we get tuned into more and more,

at least in this phase of life. I feel like I'm here to help reduce suffering. So we do this, we teach in our consultations. We don't just recommend supplements based on what you're low in. We recommend food changes too, if you're open to that, different lifestyle tweaks. We cram a lot into about 45 minutes and it's highly valuable. At some point, it's going to be really hard to scale that. But we have a number of nutritionists on the team that I've trained myself because I've gone as deep as I feel like I can go into this hair analysis. And there's so much value in it.

And it's not taught in medical schools because the clear result would be you're low in these minerals, take the minerals. Because medicine does not, any medicine to my knowledge is not going to contain these nutrients that will help you actually replenish these, which key point here for people listening, think about this, and this could be not you, but maybe your parents and all free from this, but hopefully no one in your life has illness that's chronic. But if they do, the way to begin to reduce those symptoms from a whole body perspective is figuring out what you're low in and then ultimately taking nutrients that can begin to reverse that in a fashion that actually absorb at a cellular level. Because if you're unhealthy enough that you have a chronic disease, you probably also have a poorly functioning gut, probably also have a lot of other issues that are not in your favor. So I'm all about tipping the balance. And then as they get a little more energy, then they're able to focus and actually read that book that will change their

life. And they'll start cleaning up their their house and they'll start removing all these toxic chemicals that they're breathing in because they want their house to smell the fragrance of whatever Glade has, Jesus, in that. Or fill in the blank or the car deodorizer or whatever. Get that shit out of your life i mean you just don't need it and um you know like you can use there's so many different easy alternatives you could use peppermint oil uh wherever you know in place of nothing is worse than getting in an uber or lift

and fucking smelling the artificial fragrance i won't lasting through the air conditioning i'm like dude i need all four windows down. I need all of them. I don't care how hot. It's 100 degrees outside. This thing is terrible. The can, the open can. That is the worst one.

The open can air freshener underneath the fucking passenger seat right in front of where I'm sitting. I will not throw that shit out of the window. So I know, same here. I cannot and will not do a headache for me there's very few things that give me a headache but that fucks me up pretty much immediately like right from the jump yep yep i i end up i'm like often just like wanting to get in the

uber and like meditate or something or like do a call or something and i end up like teaching this person about the benefits of removing this, if they're open to it, if they seem open to it. Yeah. So there's, God, I love how many solutions can be solved through this approach to go back to that. You know, we talked a little before about this, about ADHD. We could go into that if you care to. Yeah, let's jump in right now. It's actually where I was trying to steer it. And then you, of course, picked up on that little intuitive there.

That's one of the benefits of human-to-human connection face-to-face is our Wi-Fi is well connected through the heart chakra to get woo-woo on people. But let's unpack that. I'm here for it. We've got, you know, skyrocketing rates of any disease state of any mental disorder. So, you know, without hammering the long list of what those are, you did bring up a tension deficit. And that's something that, you know, I think if it's not affecting you, it's affecting someone you know without question. I mean, I would say almost universally, especially when you think of six degrees of separation, but someone close to you in your family, there's likely somebody that you know, whether it's a niece, a nephew, that is affected by this. So I'd love for you to unpack that and really dive into that. And it's in part, you know, in part, it's going to be with

modern education, screen time, the fact that we are fucking hooked on TikTok as opposed to long form podcasts says a lot about how we're being indoctrinated into a new social paradigm. But that aside, there is a chemical issue going on. And I want you to unpack that because it's definitely something that is solvable. I find a lot of attention deficit is due to anxiety, like a creeping base level of anxiety that most people have because they are deficient in things like magnesium. That would be the first one that I would, without looking at someone's test or having them go through our protocol, that is one of the first ones I would put people on. Because if you're a parent listening to this and you're thinking about putting your kids on

because you feel like, I get it, you're busy. There's zero judgment or shame in this. I just want to provide some info here. It's essential that you don't take that easy road. I've done it with Adderall and Vyvanse. It was the worst. It was really the biggest blunder I've ever made. And I'm so passionate about other people not making that mistake because it also led me to, you know, I, for all of my life, I've been like the way I am today. I'm pretty like calm, collected. I try to see the best in people, things like that. And on that medication, there's a reason why it's schedule whatever. And it's, it's a huge, like you're definitely incarcerated if you're caught with it and you don't have

a prescription. So I got a doctor to prescribe it to me, convinced them that I wanted it or whatever. And it was incredible. I say convince them it was easy. I was like, Hey, I think I should try this. And they're like, okay, sure. How much do you want? I was like, didn't have to bend his wrist too hard. Didn't have to bend the wrist too hard. Yeah. And also I had to like go in and reduce my dose because it was like, holy shit. Like what, what they start you out on is massive. All of that pushes, makes your body burn nutrients faster, including minerals, but just all your cognitive nutrients. So the, you know, often the day or two after you'll feel

spacey. And then like, you know, if you're having too much sex, you'll feel spacey. And then if you're having too much sex, you'll also feel spacey, if you're ejaculating, that is. And women don't seem to have this problem, but this is a primarily male thing. And also, if you're not getting the oxytocin from sex, especially with someone that you're really, truly close to, then there's a whole like, you know, there's a psychosomatic thing that's going on there too that, you know, we could probably don't have time to get into. But, you know, there's with how the mind works, it's so clearly conditional on what nutrients you have in the body that you have to figure out what you're missing and what's causing you to not be able to naturally focus.

So maybe it's overstimulation. So maybe it's just, you don't even have to call it meditation, just sit quietly in a dark room for 20 minutes or five or whatever will help. Start your day that way instead of a reactive place and you'll start to make better decisions that just accumulate. So you'll go to bed at a more natural time. You'll stop eating by the time the sun goes down. Things that are just, they will feel natural at a certain point

if you're doing that, if you're not eating these high bliss point foods daily and things like that. So there's a lot of different factors that lead to this, right? But certainly the biggest are, especially if you're already on it and you're like, oh man, what do I do now? Like, I feel like I need this. You don't. Like take some alpha brain, take some of our minerals, get tested, figure out what you most need to replace and start to work in this lifestyle

where you're actually taking care of yourself. And if you think you don't have time for that, just imagine where you'll be in 15 years if you don't do this or five or two or even one. As Chuck said, one of my favorite quotes of all time sooner or later your health will be your number one concern i love that sooner or later in all caps right like you

fucking you can make preventative admission right now or or on your deathbed you're going to be it will always come up for you it doesn't matter who you are, you know, and people, you know, the, the, the common joke of people from the generation before us is, you know, like the, ah're grumpy old piece of shit to everyone you love and everyone that's around you that has to take care of you and eventually wipe your ass for you. That's what that actually looks like in the last 20 years of your life. It's not, you just go out in a blaze of fire, you know, with a fucking whopper in your hand. Like that's not how it works. Right. So, you know, again, this, this, this, and, and, you know, we, we become prisoners of our own body. Like I thought that that really resonated with me in, you know, hearing about Parkinson's and that that's been in my family as well, but from Ali, Muhammad Ali to,

uh, uh, Michael J. Fox, you know, back to the future and you've got it really young, you know, like imagine not having control over yourself. Well, to a degree, that's already happening. If you have chronic knee pain and can't fucking run or play. I remember when I tore my knee in jujitsu and I had to tell Bear as a three-year-old, sorry, daddy can't run with you for a year. And I was like, I'm not getting paid to fight anymore. I'm not.

What am I doing? You know, like I love jujitsu, but if it takes me out for that long, what am I really doing here? You know? So, and how can I practice that sport, that martial art with more attentiveness to what really matters to me right now? You know? But- That's a great point. And that's, you know, I did a year of it too, right? And I totally hear where you're coming from, because I think about longevity, and I think about the use of my body, and I think about my knees not hurting and elbows and all of it. You know, I've had to have my ears drained as a wrestler before they'd puffed up, you know. You got good looking ears though now. Yeah, now they're fine. But I take guidance as it comes. And I think that's the key part. You know, integrate, be willing to integrate guidance.

Because I remember Ryan Holiday saying something that I really love similar, which is the world will whisper into your ear or it will yell. And it's just, it's up to you to think about which one of those you want in your life. And, you know, we're all going to make miscalculations along the way, but the key is the corrections

and how quickly we correct and that we don't overcorrect. So you could say I'm all about balance. But I also love to go all out and yeah, work hard on work that I feel like really matters, whatever that is to you. And then also be able to start the dance So in the case of ADHD, I didn't fully mention that, but I'm not proud of how angry I was during taking Vyvanse and snapping at people. I've never snapped at people before or since. This is not how I'm wired. So it does absolutely control your personality. And it does so in part by raising your anxiety levels by pushing out key nutrients that you need

and that will be really difficult to reabsorb at a level that you can actually reverse the deficiency. Because as we're living, we're burning, right? It's like a machine or engine that's continually running. So you have to account for that and also account that you already have a deficiency. And it's not as simple as I'm going to take 800 milligrams of, let's use the magnesium example. That's a common one of different forms. It's also, so I'd like to go back to iodine in a second, but if you're up for it, but the thing too about forms before people jump in and ask, what we've done in the case of magnesium is, so part of our process is stability. It's not just particle size. So I bind it with chloride in a lot of cases. So it's not magnesium chloride as you'd normally think of it. It's different. And it's key to wash it down with enough water if you're taking it. But people

that are already taking 800 milligrams, one of my best friends, Tara, she has about as high of output of any woman that I've ever met. She can lift a huge amount of weight, really, really fit. She can run a six minute mile, like mini at that pace. And she had some of the lowest magnesium levels I've ever seen. And I've done a podcast with her. You guys can check her out, Tara Garrison on YouTube. And yet she started taking hours and she got her dreams back.

She was already taking quality stuff. So was I when I first discovered this, that I was low in these things. So that's the thing. It's not like the forms and this is good for that. Ultimately, those all break down to the same thing for the cell to receive them. So anyway, that's a key thing. And then with iodine,

how do we innovate out of the problems we have in our local neighborhood, city, world, all of it, before we think about going to some other planet like Elon's talking about? I mean, if we can't get everyone here clean water, we have no business going to another planet the way I see it. If we cannot reverse topsoil loss where all of our food sources are having less and less nutrients, specifically minerals in them, then to give you an example, in the last 60 to 80 years, we've lost 30 to 40% of our nutrition conservatively from just across the board what we consume. So is it good to eat organic? Yeah, of course. But organic doesn't mean that the soil has all the nutrients that you need. I know some people are listening to that and going like, well, yeah, duh, I got it.

But think of this holistically as a problem that we're facing and we will continue to face until we give birth to more innovators. So iodine, I love that you mentioned that earlier. It is one of my favorite supplements. And I think our RDA is meant to keep us sick here in the US for several different nutrients. And others seem closer, but that also, many of those RDAs were put in place at a time when the food had more nutrition in them too. So iodine, 150 micrograms, oh my God. I mean, that is, to think that you could live an optimal life and do all the things that like you or I do and a lot of people that listen to the show do, there's just no way that your thyroid's going to have optimal output.

And all the other key minerals that go into just that one gland in particular, right? So iodine's key for IQ. If you have, you, you know, you have a son. So if, if someone out there, you know, either that, you know, or directly in your life is pregnant or, you know, maybe a year out from giving birth, have them start supplementing this and just get all their nutrients, right. Because iodine is so key for brain development that IQ can be up to 20 points lower. And if we're trying to innovate out of some of the problems, we're going to need a different level of intelligence that created it. Einstein said that. And I mean, that's very obviously true. And what do we do about it?

So that's key. I mean, imagine, you know, 130 IQ. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of IQ tests, but this is just what the research has shown in that. You know, in a 6,000 person study, 96% were shown to be deficient in iodine. 96. Some of those people were already taking iodine

supplements. So again, not absorbing it well and or not taking enough. So that's key to think about because we're in it together ultimately. Yeah. And when you think of how important iodine is for the thyroid, so much. I mean, it doesn't just get into Hashimoto's and things like that. Like you're looking at absolute failure from autoimmune attack on the thyroid. That's a whole different level. Many people I've had many questions come in, in my Q and A's working in fit for service as a coach and personal coaching and things like that, that are related to that. So it for sure exists at a pretty large scale. But prior to getting there to that point, the deficiency in iodine, as I mentioned, that was understood by our government decades ago.

It's only gotten worse since then. And that scale of what the thyroid's doing from a metabolism standpoint, from a cognitive ability standpoint, from a clearing out, there's so much more that gets into the importance of thyroid function, especially when you're trying to lose weight or fight that uphill battle that you really want to, and you're going to the gym and you're starting to clean up your diet. It's something that I talk to people quite a bit about in the fact that because you've stacked by not paying it for whatever reason, right? Negligence, whatever you want to call that for so many years, you really have a steep incline coming back to changing your body and actually getting out of, you've got the Wednesday shirt, you know, from working out at Cal's with the dope group out

here to get everything out of what you're putting in rather than just going and getting your ass kicked and wondering why you keep getting injured, you know? to get everything out of what you're putting in rather than just going and getting your ass kicked and wondering why you keep getting injured. Absolutely. And also, I feel like there's not enough attention paid to the adrenals in relationship to the thyroid, right? So if your adrenals aren't healthy and strong, if they don't have the nutrients they need,

specifically potassium, magnesium, sodium. Salt is good, actually. If you're taking the right amount of it, you need it. And without those three nutrients, getting through a difficult workout like that or any difficult workout is all but impossible and certainly truly impossible to perform at your highest level. It doesn't matter how much mindset and how much toughness you have there. You know, you can, things will just eventually start breaking. As you, you know, and the mind can push us there, obviously, you know. But, you know, how do we ultimately live a long, healthy life and also actually achieve the things we want to achieve while we're here?

You have to have a strong endocrine system. And, you know, people have taken our, something I'm really proud of is, so this woman on Instagram, Trainer Lindsay is her handle. She was on thyroid medication and you'd have to consult with your doctor to do this because she used the doctor to get on thyroid meds. But she eventually took our iodine and our peak thyroid and our minerals for adrenals. And she, she doesn't take thyroid medication anymore and she's dropped weight. So that's, that's amazing. Because, and the point I'm making there too, is when you're taking thyroid meds, even if you're taking the quote-unquote good ones, you're causing even more stress on your adrenals, which is so, so key to think about.

You're like putting that, mashing the gas down even more and also needing more from the adrenals. Because if your adrenals are weak, the thyroid medication is just going to drive you through the floor and then your hair is going to fall out even worse or whatever other things people are worried about just from a cosmetic standpoint, which is ultimately an indication of how you're doing internally, right? So hair, skin, and nails, it's great to think of that as just an indication in the same way that headaches and cramps and PMS cramps

are all just, like Ryan had said, the world just whispering to us. And he was talking about that in a large, I think, macro term, but this is a very micro, here's your symptom, investigate. It's your nature's call from your intuition to say, something's wrong. Let's fix it. Please pay attention to this. I love that, brother. Well, I know you jotted some notes down before we got rolling. Is there any stone? I don't want to leave any stone unturned here we covered the basis from that i think we have man i think we have phenomenal so somebody goes to your website they get a hair mineral test to figure out where they're at um first and foremost let me just say is there something that you see pretty much across the board as like everyone seems to be deficient in these areas. So if you don't want to pay for the hair mineral

analysis, start here with these supplements. And then if you'd like to understand and really not guess at what you need to take and make sure that your body's absorbing it and that you're getting in the adequate levels of that, do the hair mineral test. And from there, unpack that. What actually happens when I send the hair in? I've got myself, which came from the chest. Everybody knows I'm bald. I got my wife, Natasha, and I got bears, which I think will be really important because there's some things. He's had a head injury in the past that I want to make sure we're mitigating and optimizing from just the standpoint. Kids only like certain foods. And even though he eats beef liverwurst and a lot of really high-end things, he's probably lacking in a lot of areas as well.

Sure, yeah. The things that I've seen so many people need depends on the person's personal history, right? Have they taken things like Adderall and Vyvanse or too much nicotine or too much alcohol and things like that? But the magnesium, you'll typically start to sleep better from the first night. A base starting dose on that for people that are like 150 pounds or less would be like two caps. That's only like 240 milligrams of hours. You need less when you absorb so much of it, nearly all of it at a cellular level. And it's also reducing the amount of energy the body has to take to break down food and nutrients and get it into the cell.

So that's key. Potassium, just stats on that 98 of people have a deficiency in potassium and that you know like i said that's powering our adrenals right so we really need that if you're eating a quote-unquote uh what i would consider a good diet like a you know probably a low-carb diet um you're going to be low in salt. And figuring out how low you are is key. The kidneys can push out 3.2 pounds of salt per day. So eating a couple thousand milligrams is not a big deal.

Yeah, Rob Wolf got into that. He was mentioning, especially for keto and carnivore folks, they could go 5 to 15 grams of high quality sodium. Yeah, I've seen from the research I've seen, there's a great book called The Salt Fix on this. If people want to check that out. I'm also in the process of writing a book from just a holistic mineral approach. And what I've seen is that throughout different cultures, about 4,000 milligrams to 5,000

has been a great place. And when that initial research, the reason why we're even having to debunk this right now is because the funding from that salt research initially came from a certain place. And that was eventually traced back to sugar. And big sugar. Because they found out when you eat less salt, you crave more sugar. So there's a good chance in the evening, if you're getting a sugar craving, you probably didn't have enough protein and your phosphorus levels would reflect that on a hair analysis. So those are some key things to think about. I see a lot of people low in manganese and if they're cold all the time, that's key as well. Tim Gray invited me to speak at a health optimization

summit. So if you're up for coming to London, it's going to be a really fun event. That's in September. He was really over the moon with our supplements because he started taking our manganese and his mother did too. And they both almost immediately started to improve their core body temp. And what, I mean, you talked core body temp, system regulation, obviously being the kind of the umbrella of that. What is manganese good for? Because it's something that I never fucking hear about in the supplement world. Or I mean, I know I have heard of it. I've read it on certain ingredients lists, but it's not something that I'm too familiar with. Yeah, I think it's a blind spot and deficiency for almost everyone I've met ever.

And it can actually, it's an antioxidant in the body. It can help with thyroid function, hence the warmth. That's why we're getting more warmth. And it's also really, really good for recovery. So recovering after your workout, magnesium will help with that. Manganese as well will help with that. And the RDA too, for manganese, I've seen almost everyone be low in it. And that's why we created, it's not only in some of our blends, like our upgraded memory blend, which are five key minerals that I've seen most people

be deficient in that are also, and this is a key point, synergistic with each other. But put it in that, and then I put a larger dose in a standalone, just upgraded manganese, because so many people are missing it. And I really believe from everything I've seen that the RDA is too low. So we have a much larger dose. Same thing with iodine. We have a much larger dose. I didn't touch on that fully, but we're at about, you can take five milligrams of our product and that's a lot more than 150 micrograms. And Japan consumes about 12 milligrams a day of iodine through eating a lot of different sea vegetables. Some of those sea vegetables, depending on where they come from,

there's been some research to show that they have heavy metals too. So that's a consideration. I think it's great to have some, but the toughest thing to get rid of is heavy metals in the body. And when we talk about detoxing, I think people should really specifically be targeting a specific heavy metal that they know they have in detoxing that, because that's the biggest thing to, and that will move the needle the most. And while you're doing that,

not only doing it with the minerals that help do that, specifically like zinc and selenium for mercury, but which mercury, by the way, is about a thousand times more toxic than lead, and lead is really toxic to the body. Lead also, after about 30 days in the blood, or in the body, it's no longer shown in the body. Lead also, after about 30 days in the blood or in the body, it's no longer shown in the blood. It'll show up in the hair. Not to say that hair is the only way to look at heavy metals, but if you have it in the hair, then you definitely have it. So those are some

thoughts there. And your test is going to show all this, right, the test will show everything except iodine. Iodine is in too small, iodine, boron, they're in too small of amounts to really test accurately. So can you pay for a test like blood tests that will test for those? Yes. Will they be accurate? No, they will not. Do you guys make a boron product as well?

I have it in our upgraded memory. I haven't created one standalone. I want to. Our upgraded memory, although it's great for women and men, it's a great men's supplement. So we have a men's bundle on the site. We have a women's bundle on the site. It has a lot of the key things that men need. Yeah. Boron was something I remember reading about back when I was fighting as a terrific at lowering sex hormone binding globulin, which would basically free up testosterone. And then whatever my level was, I would be getting more use of that testosterone as opposed to just having that getting swallowed up by the SHBG.

Yeah. And maybe for that reason, it's synonymous with intelligence as well as phosphorus. We have some phosphorus in there. Yeah, absolutely. That's a great point. So I'm glad you mentioned that because I think a lot of people, although it's really tough to test for, I think a lot of people are deficient in boron. Do you think that you bringing up phosphorus just made me think of this, but is there a way, obviously you're going to recommend lifestyle choices and things like that,

but is there a way for vegans and vegetarians to mitigate a lot of the issues they have with their diet by fixing these mineral deficiencies? And if so, what are some of the things that would be critical for them? I really do. Yeah, we have a chromium product that's on the way. That's a key one for blood sugar. Knowing their ratios, like calcium to magnesium is really really key and we test for that so there's a bunch of significant ratios that we look at on on the test and that's it's so so key magnesium is another iron is another where we're i really waited to put out an iron product i'll be ready possibly by the time you guys listen to this episode. I wanted to do that because, and I wanted to wait until we had plenty of nutritionists on staff

because I really believe in testing your levels before taking iron because symptoms of what would look like a lack of iron can actually be a lack of copper. And then when you take iron, you make that situation worse fast, or you can, depending on your personal levels and where you are personally at this time,

which will be different if you start supplementing three months from now, which is why ultimately, you know, we've made the testing consultations really affordable. We can give a code KKP if you want for a good percentage off for people to go check some of this out. But it's so important to know if you start supplementing iron, A, don't take a formula that has iron and a bunch of other stuff in it because iron really is antagonistic

to just about everything. So, yeah. Minerals-wise, vitamin C would help with regulation. Yes, and our formula, in addition to all the technology that all the other minerals have, we'll also have some vitamin C in it too. Very cool.

Yeah. So that will be a good one. It also won't be a massive dose. So people will be able to take a dose. And if they feel like based on their levels, they should dose twice in a day, great. But I didn't want to make a sledgehammer there. I thought that was important.

Fuck yeah. Yeah. Well, we've covered a lot ofhammer there. I thought that was important. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Well, we've covered a lot of ground today. I got these three tests. I wanted to get them done ahead of time, but you know how life goes. So this gives us more excuse to have you back on and unpack not only these introductory results, but we can unpack when I have you back on how fixing some of the deficiencies between myself, my wife, and my son changes our health in general. So I'm super excited to get you back on after your book is finished and with some of these internal results. And like I've done in the past,

I have no problem diving into where I've been deficient and how I've fixed that and exactly how I'm feeling. So hopefully there's a lot more that feels akin to boosting iodine levels, if anything, if the rest of this stuff can balance out at the same level and degree of feeling that I have just from supplementing with iodine. I know we're going to be cooking with gasoline here, some awesome fire going in the system. Yeah. Awesome, brother. Well, it's been a pleasure. I'll link to everything in the show notes. Sure. Um, yeah. Upgradedformulas.com. Like you mentioned, uh, you can use code KKP and, um, and then, um, YouTube as well. Um, and then Instagram, you can find me Barton Scott or it's ask Barton on Instagram, uh, at upgrade formulas on IG. But, um, yeah, Barton Scott, or it's askbarton on Instagram, add up great formulas on IG.

But yeah, YouTube, I'm putting out more long form because it's just easier to make a full statement there than other places because there is so much nuance to this. So- Beautiful brother. It's been excellent having you. Same, Yeah. Thank you.